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Speaker 1: H Hello everyone, it is the point of the streams

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Speaker 1: Drink and you.

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Speaker 2: Are listening to Eyes up here with Drink Team from

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Speaker 2: the Iheartbreaking Network or wherever you get the podcast. As

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Speaker 2: always on goings on my coach Chad, Like I just

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Speaker 2: saw you. I think I did.

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Speaker 3: Little break, but yeah you did.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to knock two episodes out a week, so

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Speaker 2: we're we're having danks more often these days, and we

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Speaker 2: hope you're enjoying it because we're doing it for you. Yes, indeed, indeed,

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Speaker 2: today's episode is going to be a good one. I

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Speaker 2: feel this is a topic I've never heard of, believe

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Speaker 2: it or not, And with all my time in the business,

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Speaker 2: you would think I would have heard of this, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't. And we're gonna go over black Saturday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the last installment of the season's Dark Side of the Ring.

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Speaker 2: I found this extremely interesting because I never heard this

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Speaker 2: story before. So I enjoyed this episode a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a swerve because we thought that Hack

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Speaker 3: was the last Dark Side of the Ring for the season.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what you had told me, That's what I

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Speaker 3: had heard. That's what I think a lot of people thought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was thinking, Okay, the next I guess

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Speaker 2: the next Wrestling Vice thing was going to be what

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Speaker 2: was it, the downfall of WCW that's coming in June.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was preparing myself for or whatever it's called,

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Speaker 2: the demise, the thing with the Rock. I don't even

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Speaker 2: know if it's dark Side really, but the Rock produced

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Speaker 2: something about the downfall WCW. So that's that's what I

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Speaker 2: was waiting for. And then I have my DVR set

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Speaker 2: and this popped up, because I go, this looks pretty

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Speaker 2: interesting the commercial. Let me let me take a look

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Speaker 2: see and wow, I watched the whole thing. That's sneaky.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Bursco, Well, I have to say about that.

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Speaker 3: What you wish you knew this like two days before,

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Speaker 3: said Jerry.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? But it was really interesting and we'll

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Speaker 2: get into it because you probably know more than I do.

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Speaker 2: I took some notes because you know, this was all

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Speaker 2: been like huge back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it absolutely was. It was one of those things

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Speaker 3: you always heard about, always heard and in the tape

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Speaker 3: Trader days, the first episode that they talked about the

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Speaker 3: July nineteen eighty four July fourteenth, nineteen eighty four. That

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Speaker 3: because when they open up the show and Vince McMahon

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Speaker 3: gets introduced, it was like, Wow, this is so weird

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Speaker 3: that you see the Georgia Championship Wrestling banner in the

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, hey, yeah, you're jumping ahead though. Let's

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Speaker 2: start at the beginning of this tale. One of the

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Speaker 2: most interesting quotes I think I've ever heard in wrestling

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Speaker 2: was when Jim Cornett said that Vincent Kennedy McMahon wanted

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Speaker 2: to be the Walt Disney of wrestling. And I sat

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Speaker 2: there and I pondered that for a second because I

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Speaker 2: and you think of Disney, you think of Walt, you

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Speaker 2: think of wrestling first person, you think of as Vince McMahon, right, Yep,

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Speaker 2: that is a good, good comparison in my opinion. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, he hit the nail on the

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Speaker 2: you know, the show open with that statement, that powerful statement,

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Speaker 2: and then it talks about a guid named Jim Barnett.

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Speaker 3: Now, what do you know about Jim Jim Barnett. I

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Speaker 3: just know that he was long time promoter overseas. He

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Speaker 3: I don't know, underhandedly kind of backstead people throughout. But

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Speaker 3: I heard, you know, he just was a power broker

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah. It goes on to explain that he had

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Speaker 2: So that's an interesting thing to keep in the back

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Speaker 2: of your head. While we discussed this you had mentioned

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Speaker 2: the company Georgia Championship Wrestling.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything pertaining to that. Fed. I do

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Speaker 2: Big smile that he had on his face, and you know,

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Speaker 2: but you know, just very Switzerland. Yeah, it doesn't want

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Speaker 2: you know, they interviewed a bunch of people about this,

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Speaker 2: and they do mention Ole Anderson, and again I did

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Speaker 2: not know that. Eventually, you know, Olie's working there, and

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Speaker 2: this plot to take it away from Jim Barnett and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to hear you get so deep into

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Speaker 3: big deal for a very long time. And if you

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Speaker 3: grew up in the South, you grew up on Georgia

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Speaker 3: Championship Wrestling, and all those big names came through that

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Speaker 3: and that was the NWA's territory in that region that

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Speaker 3: eventually become WCW down the road. But yeah, Olie was

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Speaker 3: I think of this whole story arc.

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Speaker 2: So he was initially he's talent, but he's booking for Jim. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: so he he's the booker. And they show Oie's son, Only,

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Speaker 2: then the Briscoes, and so he gave insight as well,

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Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh my god. Yeah, Patrick,

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Speaker 2: So he's on there. They talk about uh wanting to

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Speaker 2: that had a decent television spot, okay, and all the

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Speaker 2: promoters are paying Barnett off.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so their TV spot was what Ted Turner

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Speaker 3: being a regional promotion was being seen worldwide.

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Speaker 2: Now what enlightening? The promoters are paying Barnett, They're all

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Speaker 2: giving them a cut of their territory. Why did they

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Speaker 2: have to do that? That's the That's the thing that

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Speaker 2: I kind of missed is was Jim providing these other

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Speaker 3: So I think it's yeah, part of the talent exchange.

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Speaker 3: I think that has to do with like, Okay, so

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Speaker 3: NWA champion Harley Race is going to go to Portland

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Speaker 2: I thought, Yeah, that's what I thought. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: it's true. He tells the stockholders that he has some

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Speaker 2: this point, they show a vignette of this Jim Barnett

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Speaker 2: over the balcony, which I now, Jim Barnett at this

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Speaker 2: he looks old and kind of frail and always saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: if you don't turn this over, and basically kill you

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Speaker 2: in layman's terms, he's tossing them over the now. I

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Speaker 2: to And then this is where Vince McMahon comes into this.

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Speaker 3: That's where all you gotta do is light a fire

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Speaker 3: underneath Vincickman and give him a little bit of inspiration

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Speaker 3: to make a move and Jim Barnett became basically his

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Speaker 3: number one guy right for about four years. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's all started now here with the removal from Georgia

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Speaker 3: that television time because at that point, Vince was still

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Speaker 3: going around all the television stations and buying the time

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Speaker 3: the WWF's product. You're gonna put it on your airwaves.

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Speaker 2: And one you cannot run Georgia Championship Wrestling. That was

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Speaker 2: the stipulation there. Okay, so they start losing buildings. GCW

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Speaker 2: starts losing buildings over this or losing sponsorships. Reminded me

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Speaker 3: This is like, yeah, a little bit what I mean

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Speaker 2: Like Mob family relations. He was starting. Vince was starting

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Speaker 2: the money to buy the like you said, the TV

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Speaker 2: time and recruiting guys for their promotion, Vince's promotion. But

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Speaker 2: they started with the All American Wrestling. That was the

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Speaker 2: new thing. But in the back of his mind he

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Speaker 2: had no intentions of keeping this all American Wrestling. He

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Speaker 2: was grooming these guys to go to the WWF.

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Speaker 3: Right, So this is how All American Wrestling would start.

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Speaker 3: At first, it would kick off he would be the

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Speaker 3: going down to Texas and we're going to see the

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Speaker 3: you know, the Territorium featuring you know, the von eric family,

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Speaker 3: And Vince McMahon, why not everybody kiss Anderson?

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, that wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's kiss the ring, especially then you got to look

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Speaker 2: Mafioso stuffed. No, I think this is why, because I

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Speaker 2: Finally, only goes and sells the shares to Vince, and

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Speaker 2: Georgia Championship Wrestling, which was Saturday at seven point thirty, right, okay. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Dollars, which funds helps fun WrestleMania one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Barnett becomes Vince's right hand man at this point,

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Speaker 3: Which do you want to know what they're falling out?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, they're falling out was over the payouts of

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Speaker 2: WRESTLINGIA three, which was the ninety one thousand.

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Speaker 3: Right Hogan Andre, So Vince felt that Barnett's payouts were low.

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Speaker 3: He just fires Vince got rid of him. Where do

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Speaker 3: you think Barnett goes? Tell me goes to Crockett. Fast forward, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But but Honky talk Man worked from several years after that.

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Speaker 2: You know, call me naive. I had no clue that

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Like I was glued to the TV because,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Urban Legend and also about Jim Barnett. We've mentioned

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Speaker 3: we go and covered it well? The Briscoes, you know,

432
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: sold their stock and they wrote off into the sunset.

433
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: And like I said, Jerry had a lifetime job with

434
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: Vince right and uh you know fell out. Yeah, they

435
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: fell out and it's unfortunately only passed away this past year.

436
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and Jerry, I'm not Jerry Jack.

437
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: Jack No, Jim Oh, Jim Barnetta, Oh my god, Jim Barnetta.

438
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I couldn't tell how old he was, but

439
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: he looked like a very like they portrayed him as

440
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: a very old Yeah.

441
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I can't even remember what year Jim

442
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: Barnett died. He might have died in the nineties, Okay,

443
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: Jim Barnett, he died two thousand and four.

444
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: Ah, okay, okay, well it was amazing.

445
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, I thought he died in the nineties.

446
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: Nope. And they had mentioned homosexuality. But I was like,

447
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: why are they even telling us this, Like, what does it?

448
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: How does it pertain to this story? There wasn't any

449
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: relevance to me unless I missed something. They said, Oh,

450
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: he was a man that wore a lot of jewelry.

451
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: I guess he flawned the fact that he was getting money,

452
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: he was running limousines and all that kind of stuff.

453
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: But they, you know, they had mentioned he was a homosexual,

454
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, does that allude to the fact

455
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: that he had relations with some of the boys, But

456
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: they didn't say anything like that.

457
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: Here's an interesting thing. So Barnette worked for WCW as

458
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: a senior advisor and a confidant to Ted Turner until

459
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 3: it's acquisition by the WWFU in two thousand and one.

460
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Oh soon, okay, So after he left Vince he.

461
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: Said today there the whole time, Wow.

462
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: Well you know, it makes sense if he was such

463
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: good friends with Turner that they would take him over there,

464
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

465
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: And then how about this in two thousand and two,

466
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: Barnett became a consultant to the WWF, a role he

467
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: held until his death two years later. During his tenure,

468
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: he identified John Cena to ww executive Bruce Pritchard as

469
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: your next guy. I've never heard that.

470
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Interesting. Well why would why would Vince take him back

471
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: at that point?

472
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: I have no clue because and here's what it says.

473
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: It says Barnett served as a senior vice president of

474
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: Titan Sports, the parent company of ww F, from eighty

475
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: three to eighty seven. While with the WWF, he negotiated

476
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: the sale of its time slot of TBS Jim Crocker Promotions,

477
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: as well as contributing to the first three WrestleMania events.

478
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: He left the WWF in nineteen eighty seven after chairman

479
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: vincick Man demanded his resignation and the payouts of WrestleMania three.

480
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Well it to me that was really interesting.

481
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I am looking forward to the WCW

482
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Downfall one or whatever it's called that the Rock is

483
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: producing with his ex wife. That looks pretty interesting as well.

484
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: I see I like the behind the scenes stuff.

485
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic and it's crazy, you know, think about this.

486
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you got in the business in what ninety

487
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: started training ninety three, and that's only ten years before

488
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: you got into the business. All this crazy shit, I

489
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: never knew any of it. You know, these this wrestling,

490
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: these wrestling promoters in Georgia. You know, like it's unbelievable.

491
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like completely different business when you got in Yeah.

492
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: It really was because I wasn't privy to all this

493
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: information and any of these people. So that's crazy to me,

494
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: but entertaining nonetheless. Man, that's I don't know how exaggerated

495
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: these stories are that they tell, but wow, it makes

496
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: for some good television, that's for sure. So if you

497
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: haven't watched it, go back. It's the last episode. It's

498
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: I think the title is Black Saturday. And this is

499
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: good stuff, just really good stuff. So you had mentioned

500
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: before we started that you wanted to discuss the tweet.

501
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Yes, we do. Yeah, so I'm going to bring it

502
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: up really quick because i'd love to get your your

503
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: your your thoughts on it. So I saw this actually

504
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: after we were done recording the other day. I remember

505
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: it was yes you camera, But so I saw this

506
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: tweet and it's tweet it riddle is at an indie show,

507
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: right and you know, I mean, I don't really, I'm

508
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: just slowly bying. We don't need to have the full

509
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: wrestling clip. Matt Riddle at an indie show right here,

510
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: he hits this move that's rich Swan he's got in

511
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: the ring there. Yeah, but I mean, if you look

512
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: at the show itself, not really the biggest crowd in

513
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: the world. Right, Okay, Right, you know Matt Riddle he does.

514
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he's you know, he's raw, he's jacked. You know,

515
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: he is who he is. But this tweet says Matt

516
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: Riddle's fall off needs to be studied from wrestling in

517
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: front of thousands of people every week, in teaming with

518
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 3: Randy Orton less than two years ago, to fifty people

519
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: in a random promotion, he really had it all and

520
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: let it go. So I saw that and I said, man,

521
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is just an uninformed fan tweet,

522
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: or this is just a overthought on my part that

523
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, people just see something and they just regurgitate

524
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: it and throw it out there, or is it just

525
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: is it disrespectful to people who are out there on

526
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: the weekend doing their job that Matt Riddle has to

527
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: make a living and got booked by a promotion. And

528
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: it's not Matt Riddle's fault that there's fifty people inside

529
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: the room of this random promotion. He's getting paid regardless

530
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: of if there's fifty or fifty thousand. So I saw this.

531
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: It just kind of annoying me because I saw this

532
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: about Alberto Del Rio about six months ago. It is

533
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: the same thing. Oh, Alberto del Rio is wrestling in

534
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: the high school gym in front of one hundred people.

535
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna venture to think he got his kiddy that night,

536
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: so he's probably very happy. But what are your thoughts

537
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: on a tweet like this?

538
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: This statement could be said about anyone who has ever

539
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: worked for one of the bigger companies and have been

540
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: let go. So you take Matt Riddle's name out and

541
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: put in any one of our names. We've all been there.

542
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: We've all in front of thousands and thousands of fans

543
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: performing and then ended up in a high school gym somewhere.

544
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Happens to the best of us. It's inevitable. Disrespectful. Yeah,

545
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: kind of disrespectful. Now here's my take on it. And

546
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: you hit the nail on the head Matt Riddle is

547
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: still a huge name, and he will be for years

548
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: to come. He's a young kid, he's a good looking kid.

549
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: He's a good worker, very good worker, very charismatic. He's

550
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: great with fans from what I've seen over the last

551
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: couple of times I've been at you know, conventions with them. Right,

552
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: he gets paid handsomely. We all do. Anyone with a

553
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: name gets paid handsomely. Because I'll tell you what, We're

554
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: not going to show up to these high school gyms.

555
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm doing air quotes people, if we're not gonna get

556
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: paid for it. I was always taught you work hard.

557
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: If there's fifty people or five thousand people, you give

558
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 2: it all you got because those fifty people paid, just

559
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: like those five thousand people paid. Okay, is it a

560
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: bummer for us to go and there's not a lot

561
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: of people in the stands kind of you know, you're

562
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: used to thousand working in front of thousands of people.

563
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: It's a different atmosphere, right, You adapt to it. And

564
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: this is gonna be Matt's life. Some buildings are going

565
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: to be packed to the gills and others not so much.

566
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: It happens to everyone. It's not a knock on the

567
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: worker themselves. Okay, some people get fired, some people ask

568
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: for their release. Some people are comfortable. They like doing

569
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. You know, it's better than being

570
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: in a role where it's a toxic environment and you

571
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: get sick to your stomach going to work every day.

572
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred percent of what happened with

573
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Matt and why he was released, but you know, eventually,

574
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: maybe he'll get called back, maybe he'll be in aw

575
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: maybe he'll be in nwait, one of the TNA. He's

576
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: doing his thing, he's getting paid, and guess what, he

577
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: loves wrestling, and that's the most important part. So for

578
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: that guy who ever tweeted, and that's not the first

579
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: time I've ever seen somebody tweet something like that at someone.

580
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: It's been said about everybody. You know, it doesn't mean

581
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: that the talent is a loser now because they're doing

582
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: indie shows. That's not that's that couldn't be more further

583
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 2: from the truth. You're still working every weekend, you're still

584
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: being booked, you're still being scouted by these promoters who

585
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: are willing to pay thousands of dollars. Whether there's fifty people,

586
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: five hundred people fifty thousand people. So those kind of

587
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: comments tick me off. It really ticks me off. Everybody

588
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, can keep their jobs in WWE or AW

589
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: for like twenty thirty years, whatever the time is. All

590
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: of us need to know that one of these days

591
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: we are going to be let go and you need

592
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: to transition to the indies. And that's how the indies

593
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: are now. Maybe those fifty people will see Matt and

594
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: he will get rebooked for the next month, and they'll

595
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: bring a friend and maybe they'll be one hundred people,

596
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: and then maybe they'll be two hundred people, and then

597
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: maybe the place will be packed. Maybe the guy that

598
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: ran that promotion didn't really promote, maybe he didn't have

599
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: the money because Matt took all the money.

600
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean.

601
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of factors when you run these indie shows,

602
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: but you can't fault the talent, and you can't put

603
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: them down for performing at high school gyms or whatever,

604
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: because guess what, they're making more money than you, buddy,

605
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: in a day, than you make in a month. Absolutely.

606
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So now I'm pissed. I know what. You know,

607
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: Matt Riddle gets for a convention and trust me, I

608
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: hear you want my right arm, I'll give it here.

609
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: They're actually with the Green I guarantee.

610
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: Dude who tweeted isn't making that in a day.

611
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: I mean in that night. I'm sure every single one

612
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: of those people probably got an autograph that night. Happy Yeah,

613
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: I was. That stuff irks me as somebody who books talent.

614
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: I know how hard you have to push for it,

615
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: and I know how hard it is to get people

616
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: to come to these shows. And it is absolutely not

617
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: on Matt Riddle at all.

618
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think it is. I mean, you can't

619
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: depend on just one person to draw thousands and thousands

620
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: of fans. You know, it depends on location, where where

621
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: you're having your show. There's some shows I'm telling you

622
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: they don't promote. They're in the middle a bump, fuck Indiana,

623
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: excuse my French. There's no sign on the outside of

624
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: the building, so you don't even know that wrestling is there.

625
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: That You don't know how many times we've driven up

626
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: to a building and there was nothing, not a marquee,

627
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: not not even like a paper sign with an arrow.

628
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: Wrestling this nothing. You wouldn't know it unless you were

629
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: told you have to go to one, two, three Main Street.

630
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like go on or the

631
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: days where they put up the flyers, yeah, they you know,

632
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: the every total pole, every telephone pole to have like

633
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: a poster on. They don't do that anymore. There's hardly

634
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: street teams that work. You can't. I blame promoters more

635
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: so than the talent. I really do. Some promoters are

636
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: just lazy. I'm not saying this particular one was. I

637
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: don't know where the show was or you know what

638
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: it actually drew. It is a disappointment, not gonna lie

639
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: when you're you know, you're used to performing in front

640
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: of thousands and thousands, but again you adapt to it

641
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: and you make those fifty people or one hundred people

642
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: or however many people go home happy. And if you

643
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: love wrestling and you love what you do, you're gonna

644
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: work hard. And Matt should be working hard because he's

645
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: getting paid handsomely, as we all do. And that's why

646
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: as talent, we try to make it a great experience

647
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: for you know, the consumer, no matter how many people

648
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: are there, and that just that minute clip that you

649
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: just showed me, or however long it was, that showed

650
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: me that Matt cares about his craft and he cares

651
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: about the people that are watching him. Yeah he didn't

652
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: phone that in.

653
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

654
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Speaker 2: So I just don't like I don't like people who

655
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: just shit on talent that now that they're not in

656
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: the big two, oh they're on the indies. Well, what

657
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: do you want them to do if they can't work

658
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: for WW or anyw at this time? Should they stop

659
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: wrestling altogether? Them to give up their life, give up

660
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: their dream because oh, there's only fifty people in this gym.

661
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: That's an idiotic statement. Now go make your money, go work.

662
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: Who's that guy? I'm gonna ruff them up? Who is he?

663
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Speaker 2: Who is that?

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Speaker 3: I told you that, I told you this would be

665
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Speaker 3: a good one.

666
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: You think I'm right?

667
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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I've made my blood boil. And then

668
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: I want to give the credit to the where I

669
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: saw the retweet. It was a it's a worker named

670
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: Big Trouble Ben Bishop. He his tweet about it. I

671
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: saw his quote tweet about I want to give him

672
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: the credit. He said. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,

673
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: but don't even call yourself a fan of wrestling. If

674
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Speaker 3: this is your type of thinking this is how a

675
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: lot of guys make money, and if you actually knew

676
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: how indie wrestling works, Mack could be making equal, if

677
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: not more, this year than he did last year In WWE,

678
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: ninety percent of professional wrestlers came up through the indies

679
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: or have spent time on the indies after their release.

680
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: To devalue what we do because it's not in an

681
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: arena is an asinine. It's asinine thinking you're not a

682
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: wrestling fan, you're just a piece of any emoji.

683
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: Ben Bishop couldn't have said it better.

684
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: There you go, So I want to give him the

685
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Speaker 3: credit because that's where I.

686
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Speaker 2: Say, you go, There you go. Yeah, I just I

687
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: disagree with that so much. There you know, we, like

688
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: I said, we've all been there. We've all wrestled in

689
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: huge buildings and then we've all wrestled in high school gyms.

690
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: And that's just the way this business works. And you know,

691
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: you do it for the love of the sport, and

692
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: you also do it for the paycheck. Matt's not there

693
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: for fifty bucks. I'm telling you he's getting no.

694
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Speaker 3: Do. I doubt his autographs even fifty bucks.

695
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, Like it's just I

696
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: think it's ignorant to make that kind of a statement.

697
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: And you know, Matt can say that, yeah, he did

698
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: work for WW and has so many people don't even

699
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: get there in this business. Maybe he'll be back someday.

700
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see him on another, you know, another huge stage,

701
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: which I hope we do, because he's super talented and

702
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: I you know, I've encountered him twice and he's been

703
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: very sweet both times, so I wish him the best.

704
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: But I just don't like the mentality of, oh, your

705
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: career is over if you have to wrestle in a

706
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: high school gym. No, it's not.

707
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: I agree. I think they have some of the best

708
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: aesthetics in the world. Acoustics I think gonna look great.

709
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: It's you know, what's fun about it is you can

710
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: interact with the fans so much easier because you see everyone.

711
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: Everybody's right there, you know, and they're super into the

712
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: show and they appreciate that you're there for them, and

713
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: you know, it makes it kind of special in that instance.

714
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: But I just you know, you're not a failure if

715
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: you have to work at a high school gym. By

716
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: by all means, I mean you're it doesn't mean that

717
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: you've failed in this business. It's just another platform to

718
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: make money off of the indies or a platform, you know,

719
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: And I I don't see it as a bad thing.

720
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: I see it as a way of life and in

721
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: a way to make your money. So there you go. Well,

722
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm blown up, I'm pissed, I'm tired.

723
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Speaker 3: Do that be a conversation starter?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was a good one. And it's just

725
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: it's a slap in the face to anyone. Ah who

726
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, anyone who works in this business. We're all

727
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: going to be there at one point or another. So

728
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: you know, unless you're an undertaker or a you know,

729
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: a rock or someone like that, then you're set. You

730
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: don't have to. But not all of us are going

731
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: to reach that startle. So it's it's pretty inevitable. If

732
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: you want to keep working, you're going to be on

733
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: the NDIS and you're going to encounter those kind of shoes.

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Speaker 3: New New Development, James Elsworth, You're sorry, I forgot wait

735
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 3: hold on, I have breaking news.

736
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: I didn't say it. He wouldn't have played it. He

737
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: never added it to the last podcast.

738
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Speaker 3: From the tweet deck of James Ellsworth, former WWE superstar.

739
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Speaker 3: He reports that place all holds two hundred people, not fifty. Okay,

740
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: there's another view of it. There's the there's the venue.

741
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so what else was his tweet? Little is going

742
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: to make more money this year than he has any

743
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: year because he's hot, fresh off TV, doesn't have to

744
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: pay his own car or hotel. WWE is great and

745
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: pays great, but there are good indies that take care

746
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: of the names well. And he's right, he's one percent

747
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: right on that, and that building looks jampacked to.

748
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: Me, I mean definitely better view than because because if

749
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: you see on the right side, there's the camera guy

750
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: right thinking the video.

751
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: Is it a television taping?

752
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: I get up, but see but the camera guy he's

753
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: facing the wall that's got two rows, not this side

754
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: that's got like you know, it looks like you know,

755
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: six or seven or something. So thank you James Elsworth

756
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: for clearing.

757
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter if there was two hundred and fifty

758
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: to whatever. The point is, everybody ends up in those

759
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: kind of buildings at one point in their career. Ninety

760
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: nine percent of workers are going to end up there

761
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: or make their start there and stay there. They're never

762
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: going to make it. That's just this business. That's the

763
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: way it goes. But no fault to them. Work, make

764
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: your money, learn your craft, and have a good time

765
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: because we're all in it because we love wrestling. Bottom line,

766
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: everybody else can shut their freaking pie holes.

767
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely well. Speaking of not shutting their pie holes, I

768
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: hope everybody got a chance to listen to you on

769
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: Stories with JBL and Jerry Briscoe. Yes, they forgot to

770
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: tag me in their tweet. You know, I didn't get

771
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: a chance to listen. They forgot to tag me in

772
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: the tweets, so I forgot.

773
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: Why would they tag you you didn't appear.

774
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: I forgot. I mean they just they forgot. They forgot

775
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: to tag me. They forgot to tag you, My man,

776
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: JBL forgot.

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Speaker 2: It was great and I got a text afterwards saying

778
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Speaker 2: I was one of the best guests they ever had, So, oh,

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00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm that I'm not surprised with It was a fun episode.

780
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Speaker 2: It was good. We discussed everything under the sun. So

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Speaker 2: if you haven't heard it, go over and listen to Stories. Oh,

782
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Speaker 2: by the way, I had a lovely Mother's Day.

783
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Speaker 3: Oh I was going to wish you at the end

784
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Speaker 3: before we signed off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're we're kind of recording this before mothers die,

786
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Speaker 2: you know. Lovely, I'm sure I'm going to have a

787
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Speaker 2: lovely mother's day.

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789
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790
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Speaker 2: So I have motherly duties that I have to perform.

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Speaker 3: You did, you did? Yeah, it was. It was all good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, about all you mothers out there. I had a

794
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