1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Dan Woiki I wasn't necessarily a free agent, and it 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: wasn't the trading deadline, but he's moved to the Athletic 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: h and he will cover the Lakers. Athletic does great work. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Been a subscriber for a long time like many of you, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: and congratulations on that, thank you. So it's interesting Celtics 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: sold for six billion yep. And I think this has 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: been a topic on our show. Jason and Ryan can 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: confirm this I've been saying for years is all these 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: things are worth way more than you think now that 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: like Saudi Arabia, money's involved if you let them in, 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: like live golf through there's a lot of money out there, 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: not just for the teams but the individual. 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: It's a great, big world, colin big world. 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: So to me, ten million billion dollars, I'm like when 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: Balmer paid two people freaked out. I'm like, he bought 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: it cash, there's no banknotes. He's good. So they don't 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: have a first round pick. There's limitations on the cap. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that, like the Dodgers, the way 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: to win when Walter's got to them first was actually 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: R and D and scouting. Yeah, is that the first 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: moves will not be players but infrastructure. 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to have to be in the shadows, 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: I think, right. And it's the type of spending you 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: may not feel right away as a fan, but it's 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: the things that, like you, you learn to live and 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: love over time. 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: Right. 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: It's like when you buy a new house, like you 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: don't want to put a bunch of money into the plumbing, right, like, 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: but but like when you've got great plumbing, like and 38 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: you never have to do with it, it makes life 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: a lot easier. And I think the Lakers have made 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: strides this front, Colin. I know they have kind of 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: that mom and pop reputation because it's it's a family business. 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 3: I think over the last few years they they've really 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: modernized in a lot of ways. 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: There's but but they're not all the way there. 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: And I think they had to make strategic decisions still 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: based on kind of sort of the how liquid they. 47 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: Were as an organization. 48 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: Right where it's like, if you're putting money into you know, 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: player services, which like they're very good with player services. 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: They treat their stars and their players incredibly, They treat 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: their families incredibly. 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: That's been true for a long time. 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: You know, if you're putting money into that, are you 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 3: putting money you know, the same amount of money into 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: things like advanced scouting or pro personnel And if you're 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: making you've made choices. Now they don't have to make choices, 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: right or they certainly have to make fewer. I don't 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: think anybody expects Mark while they're coming in light money 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: on fire. But if there's value added you can invest 60 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 3: in that. Will you feel that as a Lakers fan 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: and September when they take the court and training hit, 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: maybe not, you know, And I think there is a 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: notion that like right away it's gonna be like, oh 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: my god, they've got money now there, you know, I 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: saw the They're dangerous. Yeah, this, this I think is 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: more like a generational like this is gonna be piece 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: by piece over the next ten twenty years. Where now 68 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: all of a sudden they have the power of the brand, 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: right they have, they still have you know, they'll still 70 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: have the sort of that mom and pop charm. You know, 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: like the fact that you know, when Luca Doc just 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: gets traded to the Lakers, like who's there to like 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: greet him and his family and the people around him 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: and his team, it's Genie Buss and Rob Linka, like 75 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: hands on, that's still gonna, that's still there. 76 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: But Mark Cuban said he would do day to day 77 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: when he sold it, and when people pay ten billion, 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: they have a tendency to do what they want to do. 79 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: Yep. 80 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: I think I think she's the face of the Lakers 81 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: out as a non player, I doubt that. And she's 82 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: beloved in the commune. She's a wonderful person. But my 83 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: take is they traded Luca without Mark Cuban knowing. Yep. 84 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: So I when I hear that, I'm a little bit 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: of a cynic. 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: So I wonder Colin like, And I don't know this 87 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: right because nobody from the Lakers is saying anything right, Like, 88 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: they have not publicly acknowledged this. The closest that anybody's 89 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: come to a statement was a magic Johnson tweet right 90 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: like on this and like magic doesn't work for the Lakers. 91 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: So I think like nobody from the Lakers is yet, 92 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: nobody from the Lakers is publicly acknowledged that this this 93 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: deal at all. But I think what we can infer 94 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: is we we do know that Genie and Cuban are close, 95 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: and we also know that if you're a Genie Buss 96 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: and it's important to you that you want this role 97 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: to be more than ceremonial. I think, is the person 98 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: who's selling the valuable asset, you can do everything you 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: can to write that in as best as possible. And 100 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: I would assume that that's what she has tried to do. Now, 101 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: now how that plays out in the league, how that 102 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: plays out with the border governors and all those different things, 103 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: I'm going to guess that what happened in Dallas was enough. 104 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: Like it's not like she's not aware of it. Yeah, 105 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 3: So my guess is that she did her best to 106 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: protect herself as much as possible. I think she's so 107 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: that so that she will be able to do the 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: thing she Now, look to your point, is she going 109 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: to be the sole decision maker? 110 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: Of course that of course not well. 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: And also, if you look at Mark Walter's history, he 112 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: went and found the best young GM in the league 113 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: in low, low payroll Tampa. That was like job one. 114 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: So I can see Mark Walter saying, who's Sam Presty 115 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: beyond Sam Presty? Sure, I mean, you know, Utah, Danny Ainge. 116 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: They got new young ownership. Let's bring in Danny Ainge, 117 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: who had played at BYU. I think there's a dilemma 118 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: here with the Lakers. JJ Reddick clearly did not trust 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: the big Jackson Hayes. They need it big, and they're 120 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: also unwilling. I'm told to move off Austen Reeves. 121 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: I've told you this very specifically on this start of 122 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: the team. Yeah. 123 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Trust My take is now two things are converging. Yeah, 124 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: they're not moving Austin and they're not close to big enough. 125 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm watching Chet Holmgren to getting better by the week. 126 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Wembya, I'm looking at the bigs shen Goon. 127 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Not that I think it's becoming a bit of a 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: point guard league. There's a lot of good skilled bigs 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: in the West. Sure, I think the small ball Warriors 130 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: now feel like they've got a hole. 131 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Colin, they need a center. Yes, right, 132 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: they absolutely need a center. I think the the interesting 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: conversations that are happening around the organization is sort of 134 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: like how much you willing to invest in. 135 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: The guy if he's maybe not the right guy? Like 136 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: you have this need right like for sure questions? 137 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: So you the question is is like with their limited 138 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: assets and that's we're gonna take Reeves off the table 139 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: here for a second. But you know they have they 140 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: have what they traded for Mark Williams is functionally what 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: they have. Plus they have a whole bunch of expiring money. 142 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: So you can trade don't and connect. You can trade 143 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: either a first round pick in twenty thirty one or 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: twenty thirty two. 145 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 2: Not both. You can do pick swaps. 146 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: The swaps aren't that valuable anymore, especially because you have 147 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: Luka Doncic. The expectation is you're going to be pretty good. 148 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So. 149 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: You know, the question is is like how much of 150 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: that are you willing to put into play for a 151 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: player that might be the right guy but might not 152 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: be the right guy? 153 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: You know. 154 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: Nick Claxton is a name that comes up a lot 155 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: around the Lakers when you. 156 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Talk to people around the league. You know Nick Claxton. 157 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: If Nick Claxon was the center of the future for 158 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Nets, he wouldn't be available, right Like, you know, 159 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: there's a reason why they're kind of a little bit in, 160 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: a little bit out. 161 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: And I think that's. 162 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: The type of those are the types of decisions that 163 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: the Lakers have to make going into this offseason. They 164 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: know they need a center clearly, right. They also, I 165 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: think don't want to invest in the wrong one because 166 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: of what they have, so that they're trying to bridge 167 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: this gap. It might have to be a short term solution, 168 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: you know, with with the with the hunt for the 169 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: long term guy still out there, and that's tough. But 170 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: I think the important thing, like if we're talking big 171 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: picture with Mark Walter and stuff like that, I know 172 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: Lebron James is on the graphic right behind me. He's 173 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: stand next to Luka Doocic and Lukadacic. That is the 174 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: future of the franchise. And so you were making decisions 175 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: not just for one year, you know, or two years 176 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: that you have with Lebron James, You're trying to make 177 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: decisions for the rest of Lukadocich's career, and you want 178 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: to be smart and you want to be deliberate about 179 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: those and I think that's going to be kind of 180 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: That's the push pull of where they're at as an 181 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: organization right now as they hunt for the center, is 182 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: do they want to do they push more in on 183 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: a guy that might not be the right guy, but 184 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 3: who clearly fills a need. But then now you've created 185 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: another hole summer. 186 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting. I've thought about this. The one team 187 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,119 Speaker 1: they should do a deal with who has a surplus 188 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: of bigs, it's Dallas. I mean, I think what you 189 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: want four bigs? Yeah, it's the one team that has 190 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: bigs and would probably you know what they need? 191 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: They need another playmaker or. 192 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: Because Kyrie is not going to be back, and you 193 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: say to yourself, that's where I think you call them 194 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: and go listen, Luke and Lebron are playmakers. We don't 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: need a third. We are desperate for a big. That's 196 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: where I think the Austin reeves four blank Lively becomes 197 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: a conversation. 198 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: Sure, and I think that would be a conversation except 199 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: one nobody I've spoken to her on the NBA thinks 200 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: Dallas will make a trade with the Lakers, just unless 201 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: they really win that trade, like very on the nose, 202 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: have to like that. The fans will not accept another 203 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: Nico Harrison rot Plink a deal after the look deal 204 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: that makes the Lakers better. Right that that's that that 205 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: well has been poisoned. Now we'll see. I think I 206 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 3: think that's a bad way of doing business. If you 207 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: can make it, if you can make a good trade, 208 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: you make a good trade. 209 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: You should. It doesn't matter with you. 210 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: But there's a I would say healthy skepticism when I 211 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: talk to people around the NBA about how a one 212 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: to one Lakers Mavericks trade would would actually work. 213 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: But I think. 214 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 3: I think the thing about you know, Dallas and their 215 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: surplus at bigs one, they want to be big too, right, 216 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: so that they want to do that. The other part 217 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: of this, so Colin, is that when Lucas won, he's 218 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: had a really good guard next to him. You know, 219 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: the first time he went to the conference finals, he 220 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: did it with Jalen Brunson there. Uh, the second time 221 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: he did it he did with Kyrie Irving. 222 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: There. 223 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: Neither of those players are lockdown defensive stoppers. They're they're 224 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: on and off their their they're players that can play 225 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: on and off the ball. 226 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: But the West is really deep, really young. Sure new 227 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: CBA now. 228 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: I think the other part of it, though, to Colin 229 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: you mentioned is like you know, they may they may 230 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: be overlapping now with Austin Reeves, Lucadachis and Lebron James, 231 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: but like, I don't think the organization is making Luca 232 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: Lebron On James decisions, if that makes sense, right, Like, 233 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: no one knows how much longer Lebron James is going 234 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: to play for and so, and I mean he says 235 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 3: it every time he. 236 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: Talks about it's not going to be for much longer. 237 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: And so I think the decisions you're making are You're like, 238 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: you're making decisions based on what's best for Lukadacic and 239 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: building your team around Lukadacic. 240 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: All right, Finally, we did this yesterday, I said, after 241 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: we kind of threw it together at the end at 242 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: the end of our premp meeting. It got a lot 243 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: of feedback. Apparently I saw it. And so my take 244 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: is because of COVID, people dismiss the Lakers champion. My 245 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: take is anybody in America that flourished during COVID, Tom 246 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: Brady won a Super Bowl, Lebron wont to ring, and 247 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: the Dodgers won. All of US doctors, talk show holes, podcasters, 248 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: everybody struggled with COVID. Yep, there was you know, government 249 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: overreach in some states. I mean there was just things 250 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't do. If you succeeded in COVID, it doesn't 251 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: diminish what you did. It would be one thing. If 252 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards won the tide les year. Okay, it's 253 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a crazy year. So I ranked the last seven NBA 254 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: champs because they're seven different ones, and I think Lebron 255 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: and ad were easily the best one in two. Boston's 256 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: got a better overall roster, but we still don't trust 257 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Tatum in a big spot. Sure, So anything here and again, 258 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: I like the Thunder. They have one score and he 259 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: had three bad games in the finals, couldn't hit a three, 260 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: and homegrown and JDub disappeared four times. That's not a 261 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: legendary team. Defense is great, but that's about thirty percent 262 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: of pro basketball. Anything here, bother. 263 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: You bother. No, I wouldn't say I'm bothered. I the 264 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: changes that I would make is I would move the 265 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: thunder higher because I do sort of believe in like 266 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: what they were able to do defensively in the way 267 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: they were able to like kind of like impost havoc 268 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: on the game. They're balanced their lengths like so good, 269 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: so good. So I would probably flip them. I think 270 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: you had what Golden State four? 271 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: Oh your nick nick Wright said that he'd flip the 272 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: four in the six, and then I. 273 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: Would flip five and six. 274 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: I would move Milwaukee down, like if you want to 275 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: point to like the weird sort of season, like the 276 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: weird season was twenty one. They twenty twenty was a 277 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: weird season two, but like having like I was in 278 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: the bubble. 279 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: I covered the twenty one playoffs. 280 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: I was at those finals, like it was the first 281 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: time any of us were in like a full arena anywhere. 282 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: It was like most of those playoffs were played in 283 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 3: half arenas. 284 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: People stuff like that. It was team It was just 285 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: a weird you know. 286 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Nis at that point. 287 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, these teams are all awesome, right, 288 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: that Toronto team was also awesome, like Siakam and like 289 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: just figuring it out. 290 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry at that time as like a floor general. 291 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: Kawhi was unguardable, absolutely unguardable, and those playoffs hit huge shots. 292 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: That Milwaukee team that was pre injury Yiannis was virtually. 293 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: Drew Holliday a younger Drew Holliday was a Middleton was 294 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: really good. That's what me kind of like, this is 295 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: like one of those things, like anything you say about 296 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: any of these teams is going to sound disrespectful at 297 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: the bottom of the list because but there in they're 298 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: all champions. 299 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: I think that the good argument for the. 300 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: Lakers is that team was awesome all year and they 301 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: were like and like four and three and like what 302 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: Nick said, and he's right, they were awesome. The next year, 303 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: Solomon Hill hated and Laker circles on the internet if 304 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: he doesn't dive into Lebron James's leg, you know. 305 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: Like, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd 306 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: Weekdays and Noone Eastern not a em Pacific on Fox 307 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hi. This 308 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: is Jay. 309 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: I'm the producer of the Paula and Tony Fusco Show. 310 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 5: Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to 311 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen 312 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who 313 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 5: have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to 314 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 5: the show so it can get Camps. 315 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him? 316 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: Ignore that fool. 317 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 6: Listen to the Paula and Tony Fusco show on the 318 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 6: iHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. 319 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: He's still moving. 320 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: By the way, let me throw this act. The KD 321 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: trade feels so obvious. I'm looking for a crevice and 322 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: it just feels perfect, does. 323 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: It not for for Houston? 324 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Houston, Like they can't Yeah. 325 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: And they didn't give up anything that that that means, 326 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: that means a ton of their future, right, Like I 327 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: think when you talk to people in league circles, Colin, like, 328 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: generally speaking, the thing that people are most afraid of 329 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: when it comes to team building is long term money. 330 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: And while Dylan Brooks made positive effects on this team 331 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: this year, that is a long contract. 332 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: Well also a Men Thompson, such a great defender, Dylan 333 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: Brooks is less valuable Tarry Easton. 334 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah you know, so, yeah, yeah, I like this trade. 335 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: You know, I think obviously the market for Kevin Durant 336 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: was really suppressed by Kevin Durant, like you know, kind 337 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: of helping dictate where he was going to play. I 338 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: think the people I've spoken to in Houston very happy 339 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: that they were able to get him. 340 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't like a full on chase. 341 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: If it was, they would have put more players into this, 342 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: that would have gotten done earlier. But they protected their 343 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: assets and I think, like, yeah, they they solved a 344 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: hole that they had on their rust. They have a 345 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: late game bucket getter now you know, who's one of 346 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: the most art and guardable players in league history. And 347 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: they're doing it on a team that has a bunch 348 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: of young defenders that has offensive hubs. 349 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 7: I like it. 350 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: But to your point, again, whether it's the Lakers, whether 351 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: the Rockets, but it's gonna be the thunder next year. 352 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a ton of good basketball as me 353 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: playing in the Western Conference. 354 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard. 355 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, keep your eye in Dallas when all those dudes 356 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: get healthy. That's a big front line that in Cooper 357 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Flag is going to give you nineteen as a rookie. 358 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: They're gonna need somebody to pass the basketball and Reeves 359 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: all right, we'll see, we'll see. 360 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to call the X. 361 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: I like it. 362 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: I know it ended poorly, but you got to get 363 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: on the phone with the X and say, listen, I apologize, 364 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: Let's run it back. I'll pick up the check. 365 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: Let's run it back. You haven't met my wife. Don't 366 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: like those calls. 367 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Great stuff. James Kiki at the Athletic, John Middle tough 368 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: with the news. 369 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: No, no, it. 370 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 4: Is the headline news speaking of ending poorly the Steelers. 371 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: They've brought in Aaron Rodgers down a one year deal this. 372 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: Offseason, but it sounds like this might be his last ride. 373 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 4: In a recent TV appearance, Rogers said that he's pretty 374 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: sure that this is it while discussing his future in 375 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: the NFL. 376 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: What do you think, Colin? 377 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he would retire. I thought once Minnesota 378 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: didn't come to fruition, I wouldn't have taken this gig 379 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: because I don't think. I think we look at the 380 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Jets as dysfunctional. I look at the Steelers as offensively dysfunctional, 381 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: not culturally. So I don't think it's a I mean, 382 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: they lost, I don't. This is a team that has 383 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: a really good that center from West Virginia Fraser. They've 384 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: got an anchor and that's good at Aaron's feet. But 385 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: they can't get the old line right even though they've 386 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: drafted it. So I just I don't know. I just 387 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't see it ending well. 388 00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 4: My question with Aaron is if this doesn't go well 390 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 4: and he gets injured and he doesn't play that many 391 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 4: games will remember the great times with the Packers. 392 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: He'll be a first bout Hall of Famer. Can he 393 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: add anything? You know? 394 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: Montana went to Kansas City, lill Cherry on top, took 395 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: the Chiefs to the AFC champions Game. If he were 396 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 4: to get this team to double digit wins and win 397 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: all game, it'd be a nice little oh. 398 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: Fantastic if you would forget come. What would happen if 399 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: he does that is you look at the Jets and go, well, 400 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: I mean, look at far if he went to Minnesota 401 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: and flourished. If he goes to the Steelers and makes 402 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs and wins a game, it is very much 403 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: the far journey where he succeeded everywhere except the totally 404 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: dysfunctional New York Jets. 405 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: If you could give me eighty percent of that Minnesota 406 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 4: farv season, Oh, such a good team, sign me up. 407 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: That was so entertaining that version. We didn't see that 408 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: coming with far. 409 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: Most people thought he was shot and he was incredible 410 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: that year. They got to sneak up on some people. 411 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: This Steeler team. I don't think this is gonna be 412 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: sneaking up on anybody. 413 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: Another story here that despite being the number one overall pick, 414 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: cam Ward hasn't gotten the type of hype and recognition 415 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 4: that most top guys typically get. One NFL analyst made 416 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: a lofty comp for the rookie, comparing him to none 417 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: other than Patrick Mahomes, saying some of his stylistic standpoint, 418 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: cam has a lot of things that look very similar 419 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: to the way that Mahomes likes to play the game. 420 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard this criticism and I laugh at this. 421 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: So people have said he was a no star recruit. Okay, 422 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: look at the best quarterbacks in the league. Josh Allen 423 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: had to beg to get Like was it a junior 424 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: college scholarship. Aaron went to junior college. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, 425 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: his coach said, I'm going to start Mike Glennon. Dak 426 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: was a fourth rounder, Brady's a sixth rounder. Perty's a 427 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: seventh rounder. Mahomes had a losing record in college. Burl 428 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: had to transfer. Show me tell me the quarterback in 429 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: the NFL that was a high school American and an 430 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: unbelievable dominant college player all the way through number one pick. 431 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: Most of the journeys, Big Ben went to Miami of Ohio, 432 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: not Ohio State. Drew Brees goes to Purdue. Most of 433 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks they had that Michael Jordan chip because 434 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: they were overlooked at one point in their career. 435 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: To me, it matters the least with quarterback position. I 436 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: think at other positions. You know, you like your wide receiver. 437 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: Stafford's an outlier. Yeah, you know Julio Jones with wide 438 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: receivers number one recruit, number one. 439 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: Esswise, but Stafford was and Peyton Manning was. Those are 440 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: total outliers. Baker Mayfield was a walk on. Joe Burrow was. 441 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: Laughed at at Ohio State. Cam Ward started at incarnate word. 442 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: No one can point that school. 443 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 4: Out on him. 444 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Mat I don't even know where that's at. 445 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: Where is that I think it's in Texas. 446 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: I do think though the comp for Patrick Mahomes, obviously, 447 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 4: most people are not going to have his accomplishments, but 448 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: his style of play. 449 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: Watch eighteen year olds play basketball. They're chucking threes. They 450 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: copied Steph Curry. 451 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: Most quarterbacks now run around and make plays that they 452 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: play like. 453 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: The days of playing like Peyton Manning or Carson palm 454 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: Over are done. 455 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: I think there's I'm trying to think of the last. 456 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: I guess CJ. Stroud is a classic pocket thrower. His 457 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: comp was golf. But those are like the last two, 458 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: like high first round picks that are absolutely pocket guys 459 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: because Burrel moves very well. 460 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: And I would say gop CJ can move. He just does. 461 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: He does. 462 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 4: Cough is truly now, with Cousins being old, the only 463 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 4: guy who cannot move it all. 464 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: Even Stafford at his a little bit, a little bit. 465 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: He moves up athlete for sure. 466 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 5: Uh. 467 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks, how about arch Man. 468 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 4: After sitting behind Quinn Yours for the last couple of years, 469 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: arch is finally getting a shot at being the full 470 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 4: time starter at the University of Texas. Although he has 471 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: a ton of hype behind him, including opening as the 472 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: favorite to win the Heisman, Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach, 473 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: is questioning if his performance will match the hype they've got. 474 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 6: Arch Manning already went in the Heisman two. And my 475 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: question is, if he was this good, how come they 476 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 6: let Quinn Ower's play all the time last year. If 477 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 6: he was yeah, you know, and he was a seventh 478 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: front thing, you don't have toast the coach. Sark. Yeah, 479 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 6: you have come, you play that one instead of this one. 480 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 6: Hopefully we thought he was better in that one. Yeah, 481 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 6: and then why you played one guy and not the other. 482 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: Well, I will say this in support of Sark. When 483 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: you're Texas and you're recruiting five star quarterbacks Arch Manning 484 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: and and and Quin yours, there is some politics with it. 485 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: You make promises to guys. In the nil world, Arch 486 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: wasn't quite ready, Quinn was ready. Arch is better long term. 487 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: But if you didn't give Quinn the starts and the 488 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: guarantees privately, he made transfer. So I think the nil world, 489 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I think us. He's got this situation going on with 490 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: they have a five star high school kid, average guy 491 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: in house, but you got to give the in house 492 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: guy some guarantees or he'll transfer, and the one legitimate 493 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: quarterback in camp. So I defend Sark and arch Manning 494 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: is Yours had more experience. He was capable of playing 495 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: if you didn't give him some certainties. With Arch Manning, 496 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: he may have just said I'm out of here. 497 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 4: In the previous year, Washington in the Final four, they 498 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: were a couple of yards away from winning that game, 499 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 4: so they had just had a successful seat. 500 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: But yours also won a bunch of games. 501 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: Yet, So there are a lot of variables here. Manning 502 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: unique family to be able to handle this. They're playing 503 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: a long view. The hype We're gonna find out right away. 504 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: Texas Ohio State I no. 505 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Week one. 506 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs 507 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: on that game. I think we have never had. He's 508 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 4: much more like a basketball prospect than a college player 509 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 4: because Johnny Manziel, Tim Tebow Camp, these guys play, and 510 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: then the hype Caleb, and then the hype builds. 511 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: This guy hasn't really played, and his hype, I mean. 512 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: It is very basketball. 513 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 4: If he lives up to the hype, he he might 514 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: be the greatest prospect in the history of the sport. 515 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: Just give it. 516 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: How much he can handle mentally and obviously physically well, 517 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 4: I mean. 518 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Just just think if a bad team drafted him. Just 519 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: think of the merch I mean, and Reggie Bush sold 520 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: merch but I mean not that you would draft him 521 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: because of that. But this kid will be like a 522 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: Kaitlin Clark. He will fundament mentally change how you're marketed, 523 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: how you're viewed, your ticket prices. I mean, arch Manning 524 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: could be that kind of player where he is going 525 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: to change things beyond winning and losing. He'll change merchandise 526 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: gate everything. 527 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 4: If he's really good, and obviously their team has been 528 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 4: really good, I think University of Texas with the Manning brand, 529 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: oh has a chance to do like NFL television numbers, 530 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: who's going to miss any of their games? 531 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: Arch Manning is going to be money. 532 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: I think when's the last time college football had a 533 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: game one and two to open the season? 534 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 2: Doesn't get any better? 535 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't even remember. 536 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: It as good as it gets. 537 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that is a I mean, I'd argue that 538 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: three best players in the country will be Jeremiah Smith, 539 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: the receiver Ohio State Caleb Downs, who I think is unbelievable, 540 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: and if arch Manning's great, arch Manning the three best 541 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: players in the country to play in the game could. 542 00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 2: Be a letdown. To him. 543 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 4: You know, Higo State, it's gonna be pretty good, So 544 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: it's gonna be a lot of pressure. 545 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: Arch Manning, you. 546 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 4: Know, he got he got thrown in that Georgia game. 547 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: Tough situation. Felt a little overwhelmed coming out of the 548 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 4: bullpen in that situation when they yank yours in that 549 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 4: game for a little bit. 550 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: But uh, I mean, this is as good as it gets. 551 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: Week one, Ohio State, the defending chance against arch Manning. 552 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: I would imagine Peyton. 553 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 4: And Eli and Cooper and the whole the whole game 554 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 4: will be there, sit in front and center. 555 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: Wow. John Middlecoff for the news. 556 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 557 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of 558 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays and noon Eastern. Not a em Pacific. 559 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: NBA Draft tomorrow. It is a rich draft. Couple of dookies, 560 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: interesting player at Arizona, a couple of Rutgers guys. Rutter 561 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: didn't make the tournament. Rutgers did not make the tournament, 562 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: and their number two draft pick does not want to 563 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: interview with team. So he's kind of kind of trying 564 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: to control all things going in which I don't love 565 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag's a dominant one, just does everything well. Brian Scalabrini, 566 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: a former Celtic Celtic broadcaster, on what he sees with 567 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag. 568 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 7: Lebron has scored fifty thousand points, doesn't have a go 569 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 7: to shot. I'm not sure he has a go to shot. 570 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 7: It's just a basketball player that makes things happen. Lebron's 571 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 7: a freak of nature. Defensively, He's a freak of nature. Defensively, 572 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 7: Lebron can run point. He can run point six eight 573 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 7: point guards six eight point guard like he trends like that. 574 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never been a big believer that you have 575 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: to have a go to shot. Kareem did mostly because 576 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: in his era he didn't have the ball in his hands. 577 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't a playmaker, he wasn't a shot creator for others, 578 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: and so when they dumped the ball downloaded Kareem, it's 579 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: often late in the shot clock and you got to 580 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: get a basket. So, you know, I don't you know, 581 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: when he was at UCLA, he was you know, younger version, 582 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: he'd run the floor. But the truth use is bigs usually, 583 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: especially back in the seventies and eighties, overwhelmingly and early nineties, 584 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: you sat in the paint and waited to get the 585 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: ball dumb to you late. Here's Nick right on the 586 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag Lebron comp. 587 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 8: He will be only two weeks older, two weeks older 588 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 8: than Lebron was when Lebron entered the league and Lebron 589 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 8: skipped college. He turns nineteen nineteen in December of his 590 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 8: rookie year. So the fact that Cooper Flag does basically 591 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 8: everything pretty well is to me a brilliant place to start. 592 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 8: He'll figure out a couple things. 593 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: He does great, big brand, domestic star, March Madness, Duke. 594 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: I think he's good for the NBA. I mean, I 595 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: think that's I don't think market size matter, but I 596 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: do think brand matters. Yankees, Dodgers, it's not just New 597 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: York in LA. It's that they're they're big brands. I 598 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: mean the Atlanta Braves and the Cubs. If the Cubs 599 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. Yeah, part of its Chicago, part 600 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: of it's the brand Atlanta. And I just think a 601 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Duke basketball player who we watched a ton. I mean, 602 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: he's the most watched college basketball player this year. So 603 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: it'll be fun tomorrow. It's it's last year, I wasn't 604 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: even looking forward to the draft. 605 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 2: I said this. 606 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: Last year, the w NBA draft had seven or eight 607 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: players I had seen play. The NBA draft was very international, 608 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: a couple of guys from France. I'm not somebody that's 609 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, watching a lot of that, like International league 610 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 1: YouTube stuff, so I didn't have much familiarity with it. 611 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: But I think this is when I'll watch This will 612 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: be an interesting draft. 613 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 4: You know, I see Bobby Hurley sometimes at a gym 614 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 4: in Scottsdale, and there's something powerful about that Duke brand. 615 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: You know, you just you just see that that color. 616 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: I mean, what it did for Zion, what it did 617 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: for a lot of the guys over the coach k Era, 618 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: it's pretty. 619 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: The Cooper flag this year was fun. It was fun 620 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: to watch him play. 621 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: So and I my first sportscasting job. I was lucky 622 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: enough to get a job in Las Vegas, and after 623 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: a couple of years, the Rebels had Larry Johnson, Stacy Augman, 624 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Greg Anthony Tark two in the towel. So it was 625 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: the running Rebels and it really was a stacked team. 626 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: Stacy Augman. Yet, like you know, Anderson Hunt didn't become 627 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: an NBA guy. But he had a lot of NBA 628 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: size and length, and they played those duke teams and 629 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: the first year they played him in the final four 630 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: in the championship in Denver. I was at that game, 631 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: and they took him apart. Georgia Tech had a team 632 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: with Kenny Anderson and Dennis Scott. I remember that. And 633 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: UNLV was a machine the following year, and Bobby Hurley 634 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: was there. The following year, Duke had Grant Hill as 635 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: a freshman, remember that, and un LV came in as 636 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: a massive favorite and they knocked him off because Grant 637 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Hill was so good. I still think he's the most 638 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: talented guy. I think Grant Hill's the best duke he 639 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Now, Christian Layton was a better college player, 640 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Grant was a better talent. I think Cooper fle has 641 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: a chance to be their best player. 642 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 4: Ever, I think Grant I mean those Sprite commercials when 643 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 4: he got to the NBA, like him and Kobe were 644 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: about to take over for Michael and then he just 645 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: had injuries. 646 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: It derailed his career. Grant was pretty special. 647 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: If Cooper Flag can be as good as Grant Hill 648 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 4: was before the injuries, it's gonna be. 649 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how the Dallas Mavericks. 650 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: Ended up with the number one overall. Pick some shadiness 651 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: going on there, but they should feel pretty lucky. 652 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know you mentioned Bobby Hurley. I had 653 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: Skrzyzewsky on a month ago and I asked him, in 654 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: all year years of coaching, was there ever a player? 655 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean he was there? How many years? Was he 656 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: almost there? Forty years? All year years at Duke? What's 657 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: the one player that ended up? You knew he was good? 658 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: He was better? And he said, Bobby Hurley, he goes. 659 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 1: I can remember watching in games and turning to an 660 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: assistant and he's like he is he you know, the 661 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: Hurley family. He's like, he's better than I thought he was. 662 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley was such a unique and then he went 663 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: to Sacramento and there's that if you remember, got an 664 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: accident there, really bad accident and really scary. Almost I 665 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: almost took his life. 666 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: If I recall walking by him a couple of times. 667 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 4: You just he doesn't quite the intensity of his brother, 668 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: but there is an intensity to that family. You know, 669 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: just at any moment, you gotta just be ready. 670 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, good stuff today. John and I will 671 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We'll have our surprises in the NFC. 672 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: We did him in the AFC. Get ready, chiefs fans, Hey, 673 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with being a wild card team. You're 674 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: still in the dance, right, Get him up.