1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, I think the mechanic should know everything that 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: you know about that vehicle, good bit or and different. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: I think you should be prepared on a first time 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: visit for that mechanic to look the vehicle over. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: It's run, the car Doctor. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: It's only for like maybe a second or two, and 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: you're like, golly, you felt like somebody was gonna put 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: the handbrake on while I was. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Sing in the traffic. 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 4: This is this is while you're driving, Mike, just out 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 4: of the blue. Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 4: the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 4: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: are open, but. 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: I am here to take your calls at eight five 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: five five six nine. 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 4: Hundred and now he. 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: Running. 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: Before I start with reasonable repair and talk, I want 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: to talk about reasonable repair. Actually is where I want 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: to go before I get started, and I just want 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: to explain a situation we had at the shop this week. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: And I think it's the right way to go, and 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: I think it's the responsibility of repair shops to do this, 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: and you know me, I kind of tell you the 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: way I think repair shops that operate it just seems 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: to be I guess I'm what you might call pushy. 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: So we had a gentleman come in with an eight 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: Mitsubishi Endeavor. Now there's two problems here. One it's an 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: almost seventeen year old vehicle, all right. And number two, 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: it's actually three problems. Number two, it's it's rusting out 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: to the point that the rust is coming up through 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: the rockers. When you open the driver's door, you can 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: see the rust pimples around that portion of the floorboard 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: that you step on, So you know this thing's got 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: rust issues. And it's it's not long for this planet. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: And number three, it's a Midsubishi. So getting parts for 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: this the only thing worse in terms of getting parts 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: for is probably in Asuzu, all right, which has been 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: out of the market for twenty years, if not longer. 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: So how do you approach a vehicle like that? And 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: you have to come up with reasonable repair because I 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: think I think everything gets thrown out the window when 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: you're faced with a vehicle like this. It's got sixty 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: seven thousand miles on it's seventeen eighteen years young, and 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: it has it just doesn't go far. Was it going 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: four thousand miles a year? It goes to the grocery store, 50 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: church and back home again, and that's it. So and 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: I think this is the responsibility the repair shop. I 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: think as I as I explained to Nathan, and I 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: believe myself to be right that Nathan, We're going to do. 54 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: We're going to make sure the breaks are good, the 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: tires are good, the battery you know, is good. It'll 56 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: start because if you get buried too deep at a 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 2: vehicle like that, you reach a point of no return. 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: And even though this was our first time together, he 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: and I, this is his first service visit with us, 60 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: he seemed to really appreciate the fact. And I hope 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: he did, and I believe he did. When I said 62 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: it's time, it's time to get rid of this vehicle, 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: or you know, to start replacing it. You know you 64 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: can tell you stand on the side of the counter, 65 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: on the back side of the counter where I've been 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: for the past ten years. You get to recognize certain 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: traits and characteristics of people. And Nathan was number one, 68 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: I think looking for somebody to tell him, yeah, it's time. 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: And number two, someone to give him that gentle push 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: that say okay, what are you waiting for? Because he's 71 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: going to be due for tires in the fall. The 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: tires are a little dry rotted, and for his three 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: miles this way and three miles that way, he'll be okay. 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't take it out on the highway. I 75 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't go long distance. I wouldn't trust it in all 76 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: realistic weather conditions like we would you know, any other vehicle. 77 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: I think it's important that shops turned down work when 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: they're supposed to. I think it's important for shops to say, hey, 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: you know this isn't worth fixing. This is more appropriately 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: This money is more appropriately spent doing something else, and 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: I think you'll make customers that way. I think people 82 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: really appreciate that. You know, they come to us as 83 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: repair shops like they go to a doctor, and they're 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: looking for advice as much as they are the repair. 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: The actual physical fix and reasonable repair is just something 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: repair shops. I give credit to the ones that are 87 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: doing it more and more, and I think more need 88 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: to do it instead of just making people numbers and 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, number seventeen, number twenty, you know, just standing 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: there just coming up with numbers and throwing out estimates 91 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: for ridiculous amounts that on vehicles that just aren't justified. 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: I think that's wrong. So just a word of caution. 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: Let's wander over to the phones. Let's go to where 94 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: are we going? 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 5: First? 96 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: Let's go to Paul in Wisconsin. Paul, Wisconsin, How are 97 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: you today, sir? How can I help? 98 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: Pretty good? Ron, thanks for taking a call my problem. Yeah, 99 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: I have my dad's nineteen seventy three Opal Manta rally cool. 100 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get that. I'm trying to get that 101 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: car running properly. Real Briefly, last year, at the end 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: of the year, I was driving back from a car 103 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: show and the thing started sputtering, bucking. Wanted to stall. 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: It smoothed out after a few, you know, maybe a 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: minute or so, and then I proceeded on. I park it. 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: And I worked on a little bit last fall and 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: couldn't get it running. It just it wouldn't start and 108 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: run properly. And this well, this past spring, like the 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: last month, I'm at a loss to get to get 110 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: this thing running. Properly. 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: So give me, give me the list. What have you 112 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: done to it? 113 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: Okay? Uh, I know you hate me. I'm throwing part 114 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: that I put a new Weber thirty two slash thirty 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: six DGV carburetor in it, right, Okay, I put a 116 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: new condenser rotor distributor cap and cleaned checked the plugs. 117 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: Let's see. That's about it right now. 118 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to make you buy tools. But you 119 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: like doing that, right, because you like you like tinkering. 120 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: It's in your nature. 121 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't help myself. 122 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So go down to your local ot To parts 123 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: store and ask them for a spark tester. Now, the 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: difference between using a spark tester and the screwdriver you've 125 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: been holding upside the spark plug wire to the cylinder 126 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: head is because I know that most of the guys 127 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: that don't have spark testers tend to use a screwdriver 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: handle is or a screwdriver with a handle. Is that 129 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: when you test for spark in atmosphere, it's less pressure 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: than what's in the cylinder. Right. The laws of physics 131 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: dictate that if you you've done a compression test on 132 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: engines in your lifetime. Yes, how much compression did you 133 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: get out of an engine one hundred and fifty one 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty. 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: On this engine, I'm getting around one hundred and twenty Okay. 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: Is one hundred and twenty psi more than the atmospheric 137 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: pressure pushing you down, holding you on the planet. 138 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 139 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it is it easier for an ignition system 140 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: that's designed to operate in one hundred and twenty psi 141 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: to operate in fourteen point seven psi, which actually is 142 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: atmospheric pressure, by the way, on average, depending upon where 143 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: you are, a relation to C level fourteen five, fourteen seven. 144 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: So it's easier, right, So using a screwdriver just means 145 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: it's got spark. Does it have strong enough spark? Does 146 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: the coil have enough power? Does the ignition system have 147 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: the ability to produce correctly? 148 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 5: No? 149 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: And understand, and I say this a thousand times. Diagnosing 150 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: isn't about what's wrong. It's proving what's right some times, okay, 151 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: And you know, you want to know what's good. You 152 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: want to know what's good. If you know what, if 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: you ever came to the shop and you looked around 154 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: the shop, or if you watch the videos you start 155 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: looking at the videos, look at the walls of the 156 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: shop where the equipment's hanging up. Some of it's hanging 157 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: up in a very specific procedure, because I would sit 158 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: there with a cup of coffee and look at the 159 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: wall and go, let's see I did this, And then 160 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: I would start to look at the tools. Did I 161 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: check vacuum, did I check timing? Did I scan it? 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: Did I do a fuel injector power balance test? Did 163 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: I do this? Did I do that? It's up there 164 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: because it jiggles my brain, because our brain tends to 165 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: get emotional, and I'm trying to be factual. You dig right, 166 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: So I want you to go to a parts house 167 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: spend twenty bucks by a spark tester. All right, look 168 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: at them. They'll probably be a couple of different choices. 169 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: There are some that's just a looks like it looks 170 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: like a spark plug with an alligator clip attached to it, 171 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: and they work. Okay. I like the black one. There's 172 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: a black plastic one out there. It's really simple, and 173 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: what it does is you can there's a little graduated 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: gauge on it that'll show you, you know, ten thousand 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: volts twenty thousand volts, thirty thousand vaults, and so on. 176 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: And you can clip the one end of the alligator 177 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: clip to the cylinder head, put the spark plug wire 178 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: on the other end, set it for thirty thousand vaults. 179 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: A points system in a nineteen seventy two automobile that 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: things should produce between twenty five and thirty thousand vaults. 181 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: You should get a real angry, bluish white spark, all right, 182 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: if you want to, if you've got another vehicle in 183 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: the household, start playing with it. Always learn how to 184 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: use a tool on a good vehicle before you start 185 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: using it on a bad vehicle. So you know what 186 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: good looks like, right, And let's take spark off the table. 187 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: Let's eliminate it, all right. You know a pick a 188 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: spark plug, crank it over. If you can get the 189 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: engine to run, missing, missing on one cylinder, don't care, 190 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: and watch the spark click click click, click, click, click 191 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: click click. Is it doing that? Or is it click 192 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: click click click click? 193 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: Is it? 194 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: You know? Is it sparking on a consistent basis? All right? 195 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: And you'll understand what I mean if you watch it 196 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: on a good engine versus the engine you're working on capeche. 197 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: So let's let's take spark off the table. We know 198 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: how to test that. Do you own a vacuum gauge? 199 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: Yes? I do? 200 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's talk about manifold vacuum add idle on 201 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 2: a healthy engine. Manifold vacuum on an older car. Before 202 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: we got into variable valve timing and crazy cam overlaps 203 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: and all the other things, you typically see sixteen to 204 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: eighteen inches a manifold vacuum, right, okay, where's where's manifold vacuum? 205 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: If it's lower than sixteen? Why do we have a 206 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: restricted exhaust? Do we have an engine that jumped time 207 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: for some reason? Do we have a mechanical valve train issue? Right? 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: Just just starting to break it down, and then let's 209 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: talk about the other the last part of it. Fuel pressure, 210 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: all right? You know where where is fuel pressure on this? 211 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: All right? And and I'm guessing that you were able 212 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: to prove that it had fuel to the carburetor. 213 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 3: Yes, there's a steady stream going into the carburetor. The 214 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: carburetor bowl is being filled. I get a good squirt 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: of fuel into the carburetor. You know, when I pushed 216 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: on an accelerator pedal. 217 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: But you're going to tell me it feels like it's 218 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: running out of gas, right, yes, okay? So have you 219 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: have you done a vacuum pull test on the mechanical 220 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: is a mechanical fuel pump? Right? 221 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: Right? 222 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: Okay? Have you done a mechanical pull test? Hook your 223 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: vacuum gauge up to the inlet of the fuel pump. 224 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: Crank the engine, over watch the vacuum gauge. What does 225 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: it do? Right? And if that passes? How about what's 226 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: in the tank? Could the sock in the tank? You know, 227 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: there should be a filter in the tank on the 228 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: end of the tube, right right. Could we have a 229 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: clog sock? Could we have a sock that's collapsed? How 230 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: old is that? If that's the original tank set up, 231 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: not open since nineteen seventy two, UFA. 232 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: I open it up and I cleaned it. That was 233 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: probably fifteen years ago. 234 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: Right, Think about that now, Think about that statement, Paul, 235 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago? 236 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: Right? 237 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, listen to me. The hot rod is 238 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: new to me. My hot rod is new. I finished 239 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: it in twenty ten. Think about what I'm saying. I 240 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 2: finished it fifteen years ago. I've driven it two and 241 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: eighty three miles. I need to drive it more. It's 242 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: fifteen years old. This is the age where most of 243 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: my customers are throwing their cars away, right, you know, 244 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: So we get caught up in that. You see the 245 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: emotion side. Our brain is kicking in and preventing us. 246 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: So I tell you what, Sit sit tight real quick, Paul. 247 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back and finish up with you. Only 248 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 2: pull over and take this pause. I'm running any in 249 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: the car doctor. We'll be back right after this. He 250 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: drives that way. 251 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 4: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car 252 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: advice done right eight five five five six zero nine 253 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: to nine zero zero. 254 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: Here's Ron. Hey, let's uh, Paul, you're still there, sir Paul. 255 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: Let's see is Paul there? 256 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? Can you hear me? 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 5: Yes, sir? 258 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Let's let's let me just finish up with you. So, 259 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: you know, think of it like this. What is an engine? 260 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: An engine's a big air pump, air in air out right. 261 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: It needs ignition, it needs fuel. Attack each system individually. 262 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: How would you approach it? If you could put components 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: on the workbench in front of you, how would you 264 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: test it? Last two thoughts all right, Put a vault 265 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: met you own a vault meter, Yes, put a vault 266 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: meter on the positive side of the coil. Right, it's 267 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: got to have it's got to have a constant twelve 268 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: vaults right right, this this engine will sit there and 269 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: run correct. 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: Uh, it'll eventually stall out. 271 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: All right, Well that's good. No, that's good brother. All right, 272 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: all right, let's let's let's get it to the point 273 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: where it runs. Do you do you own a setup 274 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: where you can feed propane to the engine to see 275 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: if it's a fuel issue. No, all right, you know 276 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: you may want to do that. There's a propane and 277 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: Richmond tool out there. It's made by OTC Tools. It's 278 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: in the fifty to one hundred dollars range. I forget 279 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: the part number seventy five fifty nine or seventy five 280 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: sixty something like that. They used it on Chrysler Lean 281 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: burn systems back in the eighties. We use it as 282 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: a propane and Richmond tool. We actually drive cars around 283 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: on the parking lot when they have fuel pumps because 284 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: Ron doesn't like pushing cars and uh, you know it works, 285 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: you know, feed it an alternate fuel source. But let's 286 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: put a vault meter on the positive side of the coil. 287 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: Do you have a constant twelve vaults? If that car 288 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: shuts off and it's got twelve vaults on the meter, 289 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: guess what, it's not an ignition switch. And I just 290 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: proved another component I can tick off the list. Is okay, 291 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: makes sense? 292 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: Right? 293 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: And then and then last thing. How about if we 294 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: take a five gallon gas can or a gallon gas can, 295 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: sit it on the floor next to the car, on 296 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: the ground next to the car, run a hose out 297 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: of the can up to the inlet of the fuel pump. 298 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: Let the fuel pump draw from the can. Does the 299 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: car run? If the car, if the car starts to 300 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: run and idols longer and runs, okay, and it doesn't 301 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: sputter and it doesn't die eventually, you now know the 302 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: problem is somewhere in the metal line going back to 303 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: the tank to the sock. 304 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: Right right between the fuel pump and the tank. 305 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: Right it's between the fuel pump and the tank. If 306 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: you're going to be a mechanic, and this is this 307 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: is Obi Wan talking to you, my son. All right, 308 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: this is the speech I give every guy I've ever hired. 309 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: If you want to be a mechanic. Your job is 310 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: to get to the middle of the problem as fast 311 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: as you can so you know which direction to go. 312 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: This way, this way. You don't have to test everything. 313 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: If you want to test everything, go ahead. But when 314 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: the clock's ticking and customers are counting on you to 315 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: fix their car efficiently, you got to get to the 316 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: middle of the problem. You got to get to the 317 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: eighty percent tile. And you're not even in the fifty 318 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: percent tile. You got to get to that eighty percent 319 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: tile where you can start to say, well, I know this, this, 320 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: this is good. Let's start to focus on that. All right. 321 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: Remember this it's only a car, and when it came 322 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: out of the factory it worked perfectly, so it's not unrepairable. 323 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: I don't believe in the unrepairable automobile. All right. You 324 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: got to think outside the box on this one. On 325 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: that's all. And don't let the age fool you, and 326 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: don't assume anything. And don't assume because I checked it 327 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, that well it must be okay because 328 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: it's only fifteen years. Right, we'll both laugh about that 329 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: one for a while. So yeah, all right, all right, 330 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: so be very welcome. Let me know what happen, and 331 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious. 332 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm gonna touch base with you again, all right, if, if, 333 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: and when I get this figured out. 334 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: Yep, that's it's it's it's just numbers and physics. Good 335 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: luck to you. You're very welcome, Paul. So yes, sir, 336 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Uh, you know, this is this is 337 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: just simple stuff, guys. It's it's not hard to do. 338 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: It's a matter of going step by step by step 339 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: and you know, taking it from there. So just uh, 340 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: just be mindful of that. I often think about all 341 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: the cars I fixed in my lifetime that seemed impossible 342 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: to fix, and they, you know, they were just tedious 343 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: and there was always a logical answer, and that logical 344 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: answer always came back. And I reminded you that as 345 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: impossible as some cars were to fix, nothing's impossible. It 346 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: just takes consistency and effort. And that's just that's just 347 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 2: the bigger part of it. So anyway, let's pull over, 348 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: take a pause. When we come back, we're gonna go 349 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: writ the BJ and I appreciate you sitting there waiting 350 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: for us, and we'll talk about your twenty jeep Grand 351 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: Cherokee I'm ronning Indie in the car doctor eight five 352 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: five five six zero nine nine zero zeros the phone number. 353 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this. 354 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 5: Don't go away. 355 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, hey, Ronnie the card doctor. We are back 356 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: and I understand we've got a phone issue right now. 357 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: So let's uh, let's wait for the phones to come 358 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: back in the meantime. It's okay, I want to tell 359 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: you this story anyway. Sometimes life in an order repair 360 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: shop it's it's it's about the inflexible. It's about being 361 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: adjustable because you never know what's going to come in. 362 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: It really is like a box of chocolates sometimes and 363 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: you're never quite sure what's going to happen. Every week. 364 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: I look at the numbers in the shop and it's 365 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: kind of funny how we You know, every business has 366 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: to you have to sell so many cheeseburgers in a 367 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: week in order to justify being there and to be 368 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: able to afford to be there, and it's interesting to 369 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: see how you get there sometimes. Well, this was a 370 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: four day work week, right because it was Memorial Day week. 371 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: We were off on Monday from a Memorial Day and 372 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: so we only had Tuesday through Friday. But yet we 373 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: still made our number in four days, which makes me 374 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 2: wonder why we're only open four days a week every 375 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: week anyway, But that's another story. And it was really 376 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: kind of crazy because when I broke it down beyond that, 377 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: we only saw fifteen cars this week. It was a 378 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: quiet week. I think a lot of people were away, 379 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: a lot of shops were telling me this, And it 380 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: was okay because listen, you know it's okay to have 381 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: a slow week once in a while. You know, you 382 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: don't want to see it, obviously for a consistent basis. 383 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: You want to sell your cheeseburgers, but you know it's 384 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: okay to have a slow week in the sense that 385 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: it gives you a chance to take a breath and 386 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: all those little things that you want to do around 387 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: the shop and that you have to do and that 388 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: are important to do. But when I broke the numbers 389 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: down even more, we slowly came back to we only 390 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: did eleven cars because four of those cars, two of 391 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 2: them were shop vehicles that we worked on. One of 392 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: them was we changed the oil on carpenter Bob's van, 393 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: and that's because he was five thousand miles over and 394 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: I got to yell at him, which was good for him, 395 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: and the other was I think Danny serviced his Toyota. 396 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 2: So we really only did eleven vehicles this week, and 397 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: yet the shop sold enough cheeseburgers in four days. And 398 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: it really makes you sit there and go, huh. You know, 399 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: it's funny how you get to that number. It's funny 400 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: how you do what you're supposed to do each every 401 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: week that it makes you justify why you're there. And 402 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: I guess the point of what I'm trying to say 403 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: is if you're a repair shop owner and you're having 404 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: a slow week, you can't look at, oh my gosh, 405 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm having a slow week. We're gonna go out of business. 406 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: What do we do next? Because if you're thinking like that, 407 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: then you're thinking about it wrong in my opinion. You know, 408 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: you have to be aware of what your numbers are, 409 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: you have to be aware of what you're trying to achieve, 410 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: and you have to also embrace the downtime. We actually 411 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: we were talking about this a couple of weeks back. 412 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: I was having dinner with one of my old employees 413 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: and Chris and I were kicking it around and he 414 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: brought up the subject of how he's trying to help 415 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: another shop that he trains at because he's training for 416 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: the Automotive Training Group and he's teaching classes on you know, mechanics, 417 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: but he's also he still loves to manage a shop. 418 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: I think that's his second his second fiddle, so to speak. 419 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: And he explained to me how he was telling the 420 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: shop owner that he's trying to teach a efficiency too. 421 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: How I closed for a week once, oh somewhere, I 422 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: guess a good twenty three years ago, because we wanted 423 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: to make changes in the shop. And we made changes 424 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: in the shop, and we had the electrician come in, 425 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 2: and we rewired a few things, and you know, we 426 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: move toolboxes around, and we spent a week redesigning the 427 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: shop floor pan and it paid dividends because we were 428 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: able to work more efficiently and we were able to 429 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: do everything we were supposed to do when we were 430 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: supposed to do it. And you know, that's that's part 431 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: of what ought to repair is. It's not just the 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: constant grind of banging away working on cars, standing at 433 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: the fender trying to get something to go. It's how 434 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: efficient are you? I actually enjoy the quiet weeks sometimes 435 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: more because I finally get to do all those little 436 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: things that I want to do to the point now 437 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: where i've done in recent years. And I will do 438 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: this and I suggest you try this too, and whatever 439 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: you're doing in life to make yourself, you know, happy 440 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: and fixed cars is schedule, service, schedule, maintenance, schedule, adding 441 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: some electrical outlets, and you'll be surprised how much better 442 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: you feel because you feel like you're taking things off 443 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: the list, as I call it's it's just that important. 444 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: So in four days we did eleven cars and we 445 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 2: made the number. It doesn't always have to be about 446 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: craziness and hecticness and go, go go. It doesn't always 447 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 2: have to be like that. I want to talk about 448 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Josh for a minute. Josh is a regular customer to us, 449 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: and he's got a ninety six F two fifty. He's 450 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: got a ninety six f two fifty that he purchased 451 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: new out of Texas, and you know he, I don't know, 452 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: he did a few things to it. But you know 453 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: what I understand from Tom that it looks like the 454 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: phones are back. So let's go to BJ and I'll 455 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: talk about Josh and his F two fifty later on 456 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: BJ with his twenty grand Cherokee, BJ are you there? 457 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: If I am, Hey, there, you go look at that. 458 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: Hey it worked? So yeah, technology, I know, if I 459 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: talked long enough, i'd boor somebody to death at the 460 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: phone company and they'd come back to life. Sorry, how 461 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: can I help you, sir? What's going on? 462 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 6: Well, it's got the three point six pentastar the cams 463 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 6: field right, So now they're it's under warranty, thank god. Right, 464 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 6: So they're replacing the cams and a bunch of other 465 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 6: things in the head. But my question, one of my questions, 466 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 6: is they don't seem to be going to do anything 467 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 6: about cleaning the oil pan and checking the oil pump 468 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 6: or replacing the oil pump or anything else. And that's 469 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 6: my question. What how extensive should they go? They say, 470 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 6: there's nothing they can see, but how much can you 471 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: without taking oil pans? 472 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: You know, normally I would ask how many miles are 473 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: on this? I'll ask. I don't think it's going to 474 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: change my answer. 475 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 6: But go ahead, forty five five? 476 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 3: Right? 477 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, I would cut open the oil filter. I mean, 478 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: that's going to have a cartridge in between the valley 479 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: of the heads. Anyway, I would take that filter out 480 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: and look at it. Is there any metal in the 481 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: Is there any metal in the pleats? If there's If 482 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: there's metal in the pleats of the oil filter, brother, 483 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: there's metal everywhere. So how do you not take it 484 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: apart to clean it? Well? It used to be we 485 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: used to say that, if you know, an engine component 486 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: failed here pointing to the front of the engine, logic 487 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: would dictate the oil carried it here pointing to the 488 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 2: back of the engine. That would be consistent. I would 489 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: at least be curious. I would want to drop the pan. 490 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: I would feel really good about it if I took 491 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: a couple of rod caps off, if I saw those 492 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 2: signs of scoring, if the bearing surfaces were all I'm 493 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: going to use the word pristine, and I don't use 494 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: that word lightly or often. But if the if the 495 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: rod bearings were all pristine and looked good, Okay, I'm 496 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: fine with just doing cams up top and putting it 497 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: together and then maybe doing an early oil change, maybe 498 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: doing an oil change at five hundred miles again, inspecting 499 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: the oil filter pleats. But you know, how much more mind, 500 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 2: how much more warranty has left on this? Is it 501 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: a fifty thousand mile warranty, a sixty thousand mile warranty. 502 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 6: It was eighty four hundred thousand. 503 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so you still have time? Yeah, right now. Engines 504 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: are funny and dealerships are funny. Have they seen this 505 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: failure before? Is my first question? And that's the they've. 506 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 6: Got two other vehicles setting in the lot. They can't 507 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 6: get the cams right. 508 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: And have they Have they repaired it this way before 509 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: and been successful? 510 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: Oh? 511 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: I don't know that. 512 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: And you know, part of you got to realize part 513 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: of what the dealership is up up against is they're 514 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: up against the manufacturer, and you're you're running into the 515 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: culture of repair. You're running into what's Chrysler's philosophy. Because 516 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: I as much as manufacturers say they want you to 517 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: have more miles and more smiles in your car, I 518 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: don't think they care. You know what they want you 519 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: to do, come back and buy another car, just saying 520 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: So I tell. 521 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 6: Them, what do I say to them? Gonna convince them 522 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 6: that they at least want to pull the oil filter pad? 523 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 6: I mean, just tell them, yeah. 524 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: Listen, listen, tell them, tell them you and I spoke. 525 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: They're gonna go, who's hey? But I don't know. Maybe 526 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: every once in a while I run into somebody that goes, oh, wow, 527 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: you're that guy. Yeah, and listen, it's it's not that 528 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: I'm a genius at this. I just try to apply 529 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: lot logic and common sense. 530 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 6: Well, I'm just gonna say it seems to me like 531 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 6: that's common sense. 532 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: I mean, right, if there's if there's metal in the 533 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: oil filter, then there's metal everywhere, right, And how can 534 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: we not do this? And at that point, if they say, well, 535 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: there's metal in the oil filter, but there's nothing we 536 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: can do about it, then I would ask to speak 537 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: to In the old days, we would hold it a 538 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: fuel rep or a customer service rep for the vehicle manufacturer. Yeah, 539 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: and you know, let's see what they have to say. Now, 540 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: if you can get them to sign off on it 541 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: and say, hey, we'll give you an extra you know, 542 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: two years of warranty and warranty at two one hundred 543 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: and eighty thousand miles, great, Yeah, but it would it 544 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: would just seem logical because car companies are funny. They'd 545 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: rather take it apart three times than take it apart 546 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: once and fix it. 547 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 6: Why no, And they they told me a price, what 548 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 6: this was going to cost. 549 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I'm sure this is a five six 550 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: thousand dollars repair if you were if it was being 551 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: done as a cash job. 552 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, well they quoted me almost ten okay, And I 553 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 6: asked them, why don't you just replace the engines because 554 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 6: that also they've given me a rental that Chryst is 555 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 6: going to pay for right, nine dollars a day. 556 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: Ever, do you remember dating? DJ? Remember what dating was like? 557 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: Right? 558 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: And after a while you figured out what that person 559 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: was like, and if you liked them, you're stuck around 560 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: and if you didn't, they were out. This is like dating, brother, 561 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: They're showing you who they are. Yeah, right, and you 562 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: get you know what, maybe you let them put it 563 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: back together and you get rid of it. And I 564 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: hate to say it like that, but it's and you'll 565 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: become one of those I'll never buy another Chrysler again people. Ye, 566 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: all right, I'll leave you with this. Tell them what 567 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: Chrysler stands for. You're ready. You're ready. Company highly recommends 568 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: you start learning engine repair. I gotta go, all right, 569 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: all right, kiddle, be well, good luck to you. I'm 570 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: running any in the card. Doctor. We're back right after this. Hey, 571 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: let's go on over and talk to Lynn and Maryland. Lynn, 572 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: welcome to the card doctor. How can I help? 573 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you. I'm trying to find out if 574 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 7: I may have gotten ripped off. I had started my car, 575 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 7: at least I think I started it, because that's what 576 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 7: they think that I didn't do, and I was backing 577 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 7: on of my driveway. My steering wouldn't work, and my 578 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 7: brakes were really hard. So I stopped it in that 579 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 7: place and my son said, we'll leave it sit for 580 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: a half hour, and I started it back up no problem. Oh, 581 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 7: and then on the dash I forgot to say. On 582 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 7: the dash, I had the electric power steering light with 583 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 7: the exclamation mark on. But I don't believe I saw 584 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 7: any other warning lights on. You know when you have 585 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 7: the key turned and you'll see lights. I don't believe 586 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 7: there was any other lights. I did take a picture 587 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 7: of it. So then I started it back up and 588 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 7: pulled back up in my driveway, and I was afraid 589 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 7: to drive it to the dealership because I didn't want 590 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 7: to lose brakes or steering, So I when I did 591 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 7: turn it back on and pull it in the driveway, 592 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 7: there was back in the driveway there was no problems, 593 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 7: started right up, and when the tow truck came, he 594 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 7: started it right up and drove it down the driveway 595 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 7: and positioned it to tell it. When I got to 596 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 7: the dealership, they said that there was no code that 597 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 7: they could look up, as well as that it was 598 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 7: my alternator. Does that sound I had no, absolutely no 599 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 7: problems with my car prior to that, except and they're 600 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 7: saying that I just didn't have it turned on. 601 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: So well, so you're and if you think about it, 602 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: then you're saying two different things to me if the 603 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: alternator had failed. Right, So let's let's let's play the 604 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: scenario out. You came home from wherever you were, You 605 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: parked the car in the garage or the driveway, It started, 606 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: meaning the battery had enough power, and you started down 607 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: the driveway and the car stopped. 608 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 7: Well, this car, well the car. I couldn't use my 609 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 7: steering and I couldn't. 610 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: Use my right. 611 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: But I'm saying the car you came back from somewhere, 612 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: whether you know whether whether the car died on Tuesday 613 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: and you came back from somewhere on Monday, you still 614 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: came back from somewhere, parked the car in its parking spot, 615 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: and it restarted the next time you went to start it, 616 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: and it moved down the driveway, but then the steering 617 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: and the brakes got hard. You turned off the key 618 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: and let there and you you know, you went through 619 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: what you did with the tow truck and so forth. 620 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: It's not logical to me in my mind that the 621 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: alternator was bad because the battery had enough of a 622 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: charge in it to start the car. 623 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: Correct. 624 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. Now, could you have not 625 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: started the car or could the car have stalled? And 626 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: you know, listen, we all get a little confused when 627 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: cars stall. They do funny things. And did you did 628 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: you put it back in park? Or once the steering 629 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: felt tight, you just stopped what you were doing and 630 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: shut the key off and walked back in the house. 631 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: Right. 632 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 7: Well, they're thinking, because there was no code whenever they 633 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 7: put it on the machine, that maybe I didn't have 634 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 7: the car on. Maybe i'd put it and you know, 635 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 7: reverse and was backing out with the key parsially on 636 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 7: or something like that. 637 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: Do you have a is your driveway a downhill or 638 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: a slant? 639 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 7: It's downhill, yeah, so it would have gone down, so 640 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 7: it would. 641 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: Have gone, it would have gone down on its own 642 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: right right. 643 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 7: But me being able to started again and then the driver. 644 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Again rights no problem. That doesn't make any sense to me. 645 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: So I think it's a case of if you've been 646 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: going to these guys for a while, you gotta trust 647 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: their judgment. They were the attending physician, but watch them 648 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: in the future may be a warning sign of what's 649 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: to come. I wish I could give you more, LN, 650 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: but it's it's just a it's just a lot of 651 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: different information, So start to start to keep better track. 652 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call eight hundred and five eight five 653 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: five five six nine nine zero zero running any of 654 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: the card doctor. I'll be back right after this. So 655 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: I want to tell you a story about Josh real 656 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: quick before I go today. So Josh, longtime customer of 657 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: the shop, purchased a ninety six f two fifty seven 658 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: point three liter power stroke diesel And you go why, 659 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: But there's actually a reason. It's a Texas truck, absolutely 660 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: spotlessly clean. The hood latch still has the is still anadized, 661 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: it still has the gold look to it, and the 662 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: undercarriage of the truck has no rust, no rot. And 663 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: I know why he did it, and I asked him, 664 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 2: but he told me the story that I knew the 665 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: answer to. He said, ron because it's it's just too 666 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 2: nice of a truck, you know, higher mileage, one hundred 667 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: and sixty thousand miles. I think it had one repaint, 668 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: but you can see that the truck had really good 669 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 2: care and it came from a good environment, and the 670 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: chassis just held up so well over the years. And 671 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: my point becomes, as Josh said, as I say, sometimes 672 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: the older technology is just as good as the newer, 673 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: maybe better, because we understand it. It's easier, it's more clear, 674 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: it's more concise. The problem is getting parts, and Josh 675 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 2: is running into that and I'm helping them source parts 676 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: right now for it. So if you're thinking of buying 677 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 2: a vehicle, maybe look for something older, something that's a 678 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 2: little more clearly defined in terms of what goes bad, 679 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: what goes wrong, and just maybe you look for something 680 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: in a southern state. Till the next time, I'm not 681 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: an andy in the card doctor reminding you the mechanics 682 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, they're priceless. 683 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: See, Yeah,