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Speaker 1: It is episode two. It is the best podcast available,

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Speaker 1: coming to you live from the Dog Bowl here in Maria,

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Speaker 1: home of the Cleveland Browns. I'm Jason Gibbs. He's Andrew Gribble.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, it's episode two. We were good enough

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Speaker 1: a second one. Mr Gribble. Yeah, we've been renewed, which

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Speaker 1: is good. I mean there's been some pilots that have

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Speaker 1: We we we got got a lot of good feedback from

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Speaker 1: from people, some critiques that will will help us guiding

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Speaker 1: going forward. And we're changing up the format a little

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Speaker 1: bit this week is our guests is in house instead

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Speaker 1: of out house. Correct. This is our NFL Combine preview.

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Speaker 1: One week from now, we will come to you live

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis, Indiana, site of the two thousand nineteen NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: Always a great week and a little peek behind the

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Speaker 1: curtain for fans. It's a great week. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of work in a week, but the NFL world descends

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Speaker 1: something I talked with Alonso about and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that interview and in a bit. But you know, this

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Speaker 1: It is a fantastic interview. We're looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: In Indianapolis, it is everything and then some you know,

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Speaker 1: the workout process. And we'll have complete coverage for you

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Speaker 1: next week on the best podcast available, Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting Live. Our video teams laid out a great plan

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Speaker 1: the bench press. Okay, what do you do? They said?

429
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: How many times can you do it? As, I don't know,

430
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: let's see, and we did it and showed up in

431
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: a combine and did it again. How important would you

432
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: say this event is in the whole draft calendar, all

433
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: the other events you guys have, Where does it rank

434
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: on that list? It's it's very important getting to know

435
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: the players and seeing them up close in person and

436
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: meeting them, finding out who they are as people. And

437
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: then the other parties. You get to see them work out,

438
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: you get to see them move around. But I think

439
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: one of the biggest advantages of it is the medical part,

440
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, getting the players medicals and the mental exam

441
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: the mental exams and all those sort of things. So,

442
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: you know, the probably the most important thing is the

443
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: medical aspect of it. When you guys are seeing these

444
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 1: forty times, everything is that just one will check the boxing.

445
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: That's that's just one of the This whole thing is

446
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: a process, man, you know, it's you may you may

447
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: have feelings for players going and going into the draft,

448
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: but as you go through the process, you back off

449
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: that a little bit, and someone else you you weren't

450
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: sure about because of the whole process, moves up the

451
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: ladder for you. So it's a it's a whole bunch

452
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: of different oh Man ideas along the way. I say,

453
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 1: so I had an idea going in, but then that

454
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: idea changed as the process went on. The combine. Then

455
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: you meet him in March and you bring them into

456
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: the building for a visit and things change something something

457
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: for good, something for bad. You guys have had all

458
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: these these meetings here, these last couple of weeks kind

459
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Speaker 1: of preparing for for this. Kind of what goes on

460
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: in those meetings and how does that help guide you

461
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: guys at the event. Well, you know, basically those meetings,

462
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: we're just evaluating all the players with grades on doing

463
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: it from the fall year. All we we gathered all

464
00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: the scouts for seventeen days. It's seventeen straight days, Monday

465
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: through Sunday, and we're going through every position in the draft,

466
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: every graded player. We watched them on film as a

467
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: group and that's phase one of the process. And you know,

468
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: we get them lined up on the board where we

469
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: think they may go on to draft, and then it

470
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: all changes once the process gets down the road. When

471
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: you guys are at the combine, how much is it

472
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: about knowing what you guys are gonna do but also

473
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: figuring out you guys are at seventeen in the draft?

474
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: Is that where you start to get some information maybe

475
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: one where the where these other teams might be leaning

476
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: to really um, you know, you evaluate the players for

477
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: what they are, and the draft board kind of calls

478
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: itself out, you know, And you know, I think there's

479
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: one premises that Joe is usually always pick the best player.

480
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: So I'm figuring seventeen if our process is right, if

481
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: we believe in what we're doing as a staff and

482
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: as a coaching department, and the players we choose, you know,

483
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: I think John Dorsey has got all the information and

484
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: everything and make the right pickfoot organ zation. So for

485
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: the combine, when it's when you're looking at different positions,

486
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: is there a specific thing you're looking for it each position?

487
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Maybe more than most when when you're seeing him there,

488
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: you're looking at offensive lineman. You want big guys with

489
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: size and length, with flexibility, could bend and redirect. You know.

490
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: You're looking at receivers, you want speed, You know, you

491
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: look at dbs, you want speed. It's a it's a

492
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: big it's a big man's game. The biggest and the fastest.

493
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, those are the guys were looking for always.

494
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Now you've been doing this for for a long time.

495
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: What did you when you when you went there as

496
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: a scout for the first time, what were you looking for?

497
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: And how is that process maybe evolved for for yourself? Well,

498
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: when I went there as a scout for the first time,

499
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: it was a unique perspective having been in it, so

500
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: being able to step on the other side and evaluate

501
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: the players was very interesting. There's a lot of fun

502
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: and it's an opportunity to see three hundred of the

503
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: of the top players in college football. And just because

504
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: you go into the draft doesn't guarantee you success in NFL.

505
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it's it's it's part of the process.

506
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: So doesn't mean you're because you're at the combine you're

507
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a great player. There's a lot of players

508
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: who didn't go to the combine who are Hall of Fame,

509
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: had tenure careers and all those sorts of things. So

510
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, the evolution of the draft is important. But

511
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: we also understand that they're gonna be players outside of

512
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: this who are gonna be that a contribute to teams

513
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: as well. I know you don't get a ton of

514
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: time with these guys, but how vital are those in

515
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: person interviews? Well, you know what, it's not a lot

516
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: of time. We get about I don't know, twenty minutes

517
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: with each guy something like that, and it's just a

518
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: chance to have to get to know him, look him

519
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: in his eye, and you know, find out about the

520
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: person and his attitude. And we're looking for a lot

521
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: of little things. You know, how is he in the room?

522
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: How you know, how's his personality? Is he? You know,

523
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: is he um? Combative? Is he personable? All those sorts

524
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: of things. And when we're interviewing guys, if you're looking

525
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: back at last year's class, was there one guy when

526
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: you when you sat down and talk to him that

527
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: they really stood out when you look back on it,

528
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: Probably Nick Job, you know, and he was a very

529
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: impressive young man, very stoic, very serious. Um, you knew

530
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: he was a good person based on your travels at

531
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: the school and all that, but meeting him in person,

532
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity to see this is a real guy.

533
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: I know Baker made a big moment at the comment

534
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: last year saying, if there's a guy to turn around

535
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the franchise, I'm that guy. Is that is that something

536
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: he brought into the meeting room with you guys as well?

537
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: Or how it was it different with the media and

538
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: maybe where he wasn't with with the teams. You know what,

539
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: we don't really listen to the media and all that

540
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: kind of st because we're the ones great in the

541
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: players and and and in that process. But meaning Baker,

542
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: you kind of knew who he was as a person,

543
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: as a teammate, and there was so much work done

544
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: on him. You know, the part the the the combine

545
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: was just one part in the four part series, you

546
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: could say, you know, and then you had to meet

547
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: him for dinner at the pre draft, and you had

548
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: to meet him in March of this pro day, and

549
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: he had him come in for a business So there's

550
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: so many things that go into that making that pick

551
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: at number one. I know, a guy like Gerard Avery

552
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: had to be physically something that really impressed you at

553
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: that kind of event. Do you remember anything he did there? No,

554
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: I saw him in the NFL p A game. I

555
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: did him at the University of Memphis, and he was

556
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: a guy I really didn't see who he was at

557
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: the school, and then I came here from Green Bay

558
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: and I kind of lost track of him. Then I

559
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: saw him again at the nflp A game where he

560
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: stood out, and then his spring he had a good workout.

561
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking maybe he was gonna be

562
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: a fullback or something like that. And um, you know

563
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: John Joyce, he does a great job of evaluating players,

564
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: and you know he saw something I didn't even see him.

565
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: As a group we saw. You know, everything we do

566
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: as an organization is about the process and us getting

567
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: it right as a group. And you know, I've always

568
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: said this, when I'm weak, you know the group is strong.

569
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: When this group is weak, I'm strong, And you know

570
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: it's about the process and us getting it right for

571
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: including Browns. How different has it been this year compared

572
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: to last year, when you've had a full year on

573
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: the job, Now a lot smoother. It's um, I know

574
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: my way around the building, I know the people, I

575
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: understand the scouts I work with now, and I think

576
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: everyone kind of understands how the process works now because

577
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: no one the only people had an idea how to

578
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: work where the guys who work with John Dorseton in

579
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: the past. So I think we cleared that hurdle and

580
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: everything is going well, and I would just have to

581
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: get ready for another good draft. Is there just a

582
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: sense of confidence knowing how successful last year's draft class

583
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: was and showing that that process is working well. It

584
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: shows that it works. But every year is different. I mean,

585
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the expectations are gonna be high. Um, We're

586
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna have to be better this year than we were

587
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: last year because of expectations. And I think everyone's working hard,

588
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: all the scouts that put in the time. You know,

589
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: we watched the film. Now the process begins and by

590
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: April nine is we will have an idea who we

591
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: want to be, who we want to be future Browns.

592
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: Does anything change with you guys having that pick at

593
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: number seventeen it is compared to when it was one

594
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and four. It just means you're picking a little later

595
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: that evening. So we're excited about it. And you know,

596
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: whatever pick you're at doesn't guarantee you anything, you know

597
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, there's so many factors and

598
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: things that going to this drafts you know you're you're,

599
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: you're your Your two best draft picks might be the

600
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round guys, So every pick is important. Um,

601
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: I've always looked at a seventh round pick, this is

602
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: important as a first round pick. That's just my thinking

603
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: and how I'm wired, and I think every pick is

604
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: equally important. And now, what do you guys do because

605
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: obviously there's players that you guys look at that aren't

606
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: ant at this event. How do you guys get those

607
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: guys addressed? If they're not at at this event, We'll

608
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: see them at their pro days. You know, every player

609
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: in this draft who's eligible for the draft that went

610
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: to a CAUSEE is gonna have a pro day to school.

611
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: And the players weren't a draft, we're gonna see them all. Well,

612
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: we'll see them at the school and you know, and

613
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it's kind of good they didn't go to the draft,

614
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe those other teams won't take notice

615
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: to them or something like that, so you know, they're

616
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna get the same coverage as they would have got

617
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: if they were in to combine. Is there any players

618
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: you remember, maybe even dating back to Green Bay, where

619
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: you hadn't even really thought about a guy and then

620
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: you saw him at the comment You're like, Wow, this

621
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: guy is someone we have to have. Oh man, not really,

622
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: because because you know these guys before they go to

623
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the combine. Now, some guys are surprised they ran faster

624
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: or they ran slower. That's some of the things that

625
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: really sticks out in your mind. Um, you thought someone

626
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: was gonna be real fast, they weren't fast. Or you

627
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: thought someone's gonna be real slow and they weren't slow.

628
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: So you know those things factoring into it as well.

629
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Are you surprised her recently? How much more prepped these

630
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: guys are even with the interviews and stuff like that,

631
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: because of all the training and can you get as

632
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: right where you guys can cut through that kind of

633
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: stuff You can cut through because you have to watch film.

634
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Film never lies. I mean, if you play slow on

635
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: film and you run fast, you're still the same guy.

636
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: You know film, if you if you stick to the film,

637
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: the film doesn't lie. Because no matter what anybody says

638
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: is that the film is your DNA, the film is

639
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: who you are. And you know we get fulled by

640
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes workout numbers can fool you, but you

641
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: always got to go back to the tape. Outside of

642
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: everything you guys are doing there, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the few events where everyone in the NFL is in

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Speaker 1: one city. And what's that? What's that like? Being around

645
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Speaker 1: basically everyone that has your job and everything like that,

646
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Speaker 1: What's what's that kind of experience? Like? It's interesting because

647
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Speaker 1: you get there one time, you get to see all

648
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Speaker 1: your friends, you know, and um, it's an interesting process

649
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Speaker 1: and you know, you meet you meet new friends. You know,

650
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Speaker 1: guys you haven't seen in two years. Um, people change teams,

651
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Speaker 1: like I changed teams and to see the Green Bay

652
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Speaker 1: crowd coaches and Scott's walking together and now I'm with Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's, um, it's interesting. It's a unique.

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Speaker 1: It's a unique. Field's hard to explain because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's the one time you were every NFL coach, every

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Speaker 1: GM some owners are there, but you guys, I mean,

657
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Speaker 1: you guys are working crazy hours to men, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We're working from the time we get up in the

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Speaker 1: morning till the last interview at eleven o'clock at night.

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Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's a long seven eight days. I

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Speaker 1: mean for you here, it's it's close. It's not not

662
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Speaker 1: a big trip. But maybe maybe this thing gets moved

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Speaker 1: in years. You know, it's it's gonna be. I'm hopen

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Speaker 1: it never leaves Indianapolis. Special thanks again to Brown's Vice

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Speaker 1: president of player Personnel Alonzo Hi Smith for joining us.

666
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Zoe is fantastic, GRIBs. Great job by you on that.

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Speaker 1: Just some really good take aways from his time as

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Speaker 1: a player. So what he's looking for and he said

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Speaker 1: it speed, speed and speed. Yeah, and and the he

670
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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily say this, but the vibe I got from

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Speaker 1: him was that the combine can help you a little bit,

672
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: but I feel like it can hurt you more than

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00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: it can help you, because I think that you have

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Speaker 1: you're going in with these expectations, and if those players

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Speaker 1: hit that expectation, you're like, all right, onto the next step.

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00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: If they don't hit those expectations and they're like, oh,

677
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: what's wrong with this guy? Like, you know, I think

678
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: that's an issue. And then it also shows like you

679
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: can't just like fix your college career off a great combine.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some guys that turned into combine superstars.

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Speaker 1: But just because you played slowly, like he said, we

682
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Speaker 1: saw in film, you played slow and all of a sudden,

683
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: you're moving fast. That just you know, that tells me

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Speaker 1: that you just you studied up for the test after

685
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: not going to class for a few weeks, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so I think that, uh, that's some good

687
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: insight there. But the way he talks about one, it

688
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: shows us that we probably make way bigger of a

689
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: deal of the combine than, uh, than we need to do.

690
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: But that's just the way the NFL works. I think

691
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: this is the one of the biggest eyeball movement moments

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Speaker 1: for the draft. But there's just so much going on,

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Speaker 1: and I can say, like we were We've been in

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Speaker 1: this building all February. Those guys have booked the meeting

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Speaker 1: room from seven am to seven pm. And it's it

696
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: was no joke. February one to February eight, I was

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Speaker 1: here in the building. It was Monday, that was the

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Speaker 1: last day of meetings, and they were some of these

699
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: guys were flying out because they don't some of these

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Speaker 1: guys don't live here, I mean their scouts, they have

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Speaker 1: homes elsewhere. Uh. They were getting their flights out and everything,

702
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Speaker 1: but a lot of a lot of catered meals. I

703
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: came in on some off days where our calf treer

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: was closed. They had the meals available. I mean that

705
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: they were going grinding. They would come out for lunch

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: from twelve to one. But it's basically their big summit

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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: before the combine where everyone has to talk about the

708
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: players they've been evaluating. Everyone in the room discusses them,

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00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: and then that's starting to right. And then this is

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Speaker 1: one where I don't know if this is a later

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Speaker 1: stage of the process. It seems like it's too really

712
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Speaker 1: now when I asked Alonso about this, But picking this

713
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: is where you have to start trying to get intel

714
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Speaker 1: from other teams on what they're gonna do, because that

715
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: could affect how you know, I don't know, you're you're

716
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna your board is your board, But then you have

717
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: to start wondering if guys are even going to be

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Speaker 1: available or not. You have to you have to know,

719
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: start knowing what some other teams are thinking. So what

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Speaker 1: can be realistic for you going into this draft. It's

721
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Speaker 1: not like I doubt they're spending much time in their

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Speaker 1: discussing Nick Bosa, you know, I mean, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that there's not like or a Josh Allen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those guys are top three guys, We're picking sevent and

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Speaker 1: barring a a crazy trade, we're probably staying around seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's where that's where the strategy I

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00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: think is a little different this year after a year

728
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Speaker 1: where you had the first and fourth picking the draft,

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Speaker 1: and I think that they're part of those discussions. Are

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Speaker 1: also who are we going to talk to with the

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Speaker 1: combine because you're gonna really talk to so many guys

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Speaker 1: and who's gonna go where, who's gonna watch? What guys

733
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Speaker 1: doing what exercises? Where are you going to be on

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Speaker 1: this day? Where are you going to be because they

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Speaker 1: leave for a week and then they all come to Indianapolis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then it's starting to figure out. Okay, we've got

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Speaker 1: pro days and then we've got the individual meetings and research,

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Speaker 1: doing background checks, making sure that everything that no stone

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Speaker 1: is unturned, and it's a lot of work here. And

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Speaker 1: February first started off right before the Super Bowl starts

741
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Speaker 1: off a very very busy time here. Yeah, it's just

742
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Speaker 1: it's neat because you see a lot of guys here

743
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: that you don't see much at all. I mean, these

744
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: guys live on the road, they live in different parts

745
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: of the country because they've got their their assigned territory.

746
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Speaker 1: So I do wonder when you're plotting those interviews, do

747
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: you want to have someone in the room who's been

748
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: watching them all year along with some other guys who

749
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: haven't ever made contact with this prospect. You have to

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Speaker 1: plot out your line of questioning. You don't have much time,

751
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: so you have to and how you're gonna basically, how

752
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Speaker 1: are you gonna break the guy because they've all been

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: prepped and trained on how to answer these questions. I

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Speaker 1: was surprised that he said that Nick Chubb was the

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Speaker 1: guy that stood out the most for him. That was

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Actually, yeah, it's interesting because you we know

757
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Speaker 1: Nick is not the most verb verbose guy to talk to.

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's all business, and I think that's that

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00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: that's what came off to to them. I think that

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Speaker 1: impressed him. I mean, Alonso has been Nick Chubb's biggest

761
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: champion for for a while now. I mean, but that

762
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: was interesting to hear that that's the guy that blew

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Speaker 1: them away in the interview room more than most. That

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Speaker 1: was a great interview. Well done by you and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think we've managed to hit a home run here.

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00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: The first two weeks with Charles Davis and Alonzo Hai

767
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Speaker 1: and next week we can't do any wrong at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: If you missed last week's best podcast available, you can

769
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: get it wherever you download your podcast or go on

770
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: to Cleveland Brown's dot com to do that. Let's get

771
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Speaker 1: the latest on the mock drafts, and we start things

772
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Speaker 1: off with mel Kiper's draft two point oh. And this

773
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Speaker 1: one came out just a couple of days ago. He's

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Speaker 1: got the Browns teaking Dexter Lawrence, defensive tackle from Clemson. Yeah,

775
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons there, uh in his first mock draft obviously,

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Speaker 1: with Simmons tearing his A c L, the thought is

777
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: he's going to drop to day two. I thought it

778
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Speaker 1: was interesting though the last sentence g M. John Dorsey

779
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: could also try to get a weapon for Baker Mayfield here,

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00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: but that was before Marcus Brown obviously went down, and

781
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: we'll miss a bunch of time. Dexter Lawrence, the defensive

782
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: tackle from Clemson, six and forty pounds. Yeah. The the

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Speaker 1: one that jumps out with me with Dexter Lawrence is

784
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Speaker 1: this is a big guy. He's pounds. He is your

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00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: prototypical run stuffing defensive tackle. And so when you think

786
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: about that, you're like, Okay, that makes sense. The brown

787
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: stunk against the run last year. You know you need

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Speaker 1: someone to compliment Ogan Joey in the middle. You need

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Speaker 1: more of a run stuffer. Seemingly makes sense. But on

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00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: the other hand, isn't the NFL going in the direction

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Speaker 1: where you need both these guys to bring pressure up

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Speaker 1: the middle. And I think that's where people are a

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00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: little divided on which one they which Clemson guy they

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00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: like better as that defensive tackle. And I think this

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: transitions nicely into Kaylin Kaylor's mock draft, where she also

796
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Speaker 1: has the Browns taking a Dexter Lawrence. Where her and

797
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Kuyper differ is the place where Christian Wilkins goes. So

798
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Speaker 1: Keiper looks at it like the Browns would be choosing

799
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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence over Christian Wilkins, whereas Kaylin Kaylor looks at

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Speaker 1: it like Wilkins is going fourteen and you're kind of

801
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: left with with Dexter Lawrence because Wilkins is the pass

802
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Speaker 1: rusher in the middle that has some weaknesses against the

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Speaker 1: run and Dexter's kind of the the opposite of that.

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00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: So to be. It's more about what what kind of

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Speaker 1: flavor you like from your Clemson defensive tackles. That this

806
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: was an elite defense for a reason. Both these guys

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00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: are great players. Uh that's where that's where it gets

808
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: interesting with this with with that kind of selection in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the defensive line. I know Walter Football

810
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: still has the Browns taking Jeffrey Simmons. I just don't

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Speaker 1: see that happening at seventeen with a torn a c L.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that a number one pick needs

813
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Speaker 1: to be an impact guy. You're close. You know your

814
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Speaker 1: your draft picks at the top still have to make impacts.

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Speaker 1: We saw what happened last year when your top picks

816
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Speaker 1: made impacts. You turned around your franchise. If you can

817
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Speaker 1: hit on this pick, whatever it's going to be, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a defensive player, whether it's an offensive lineman, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a skill guy, it just better is your football team.

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Speaker 1: And even though you're picking seventeen and you're not picking one,

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Speaker 1: you're not picking number four, you have got to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you hit on this kick. I do think

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Speaker 1: what's interesting with Keiper's take on the draft right now,

824
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Speaker 1: as I think he's higher on some of these offensive

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00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: playmakers than others are because I think we've been under

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Speaker 1: the impression that it's seventeen, you could very well get

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Speaker 1: the top wide receiver in the draft. But the way

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Speaker 1: he sees it as of now, he not only has

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Speaker 1: dk Metcalf going ninth, he also has Yeah, it's a buffalo,

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Speaker 1: he all says, t J. Hokinson, the tight end from

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Speaker 1: the from Iowa going eight, which that would be a

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Speaker 1: rry to me. That's that's the one person that's gone

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Speaker 1: on the ledge of that. And then he also has

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Speaker 1: Marquis Brown number twelve to the Packers, so that would

835
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Speaker 1: be two wide receivers a tight end off the board

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Speaker 1: before the Browns even selected, whereas most others see it

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Speaker 1: that the Browns could have the best wide receiver tight

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Speaker 1: end available in the draft at seventeen without having to

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Speaker 1: worry about these teams in front. So that that's like

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Speaker 1: that shows how divided these guys are right now with

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: some of these offensive playmakers who seems like it's it's

842
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: all about flavors on how they might fit your offense.

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Speaker 1: And I think it would be interesting to see a

844
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Speaker 1: player like Markis Brown with the Packers. I mean that

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Speaker 1: if he could, Rogers could have someone that could take

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00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: the top off of the defense. But that's where it

847
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting, Eileen. Again, way more defense than I would

848
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: think with a playmaker at that seven team position, especially

849
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Speaker 1: if those guys are off the board ahead ahead of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we've talked to mel Kiper, we we've

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Speaker 1: talked kl and Kaylor from the mm QB, Charlie Casserley

852
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Speaker 1: uh former NFL GM and a darn good one with

853
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: his first mock draft. He's got three quarterbacks going in

854
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: on one, but he doesn't you mentioned it. He's got

855
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: a tight end. The Hockinson kid go into the Lions

856
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: at eight, but he doesn't have any skill guys gone

857
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: when the Browns around the board at seventeen, but he

858
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: has the Browns taking a linebacker Devin White out of

859
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: l s U pretty special player. I'd be shocked if

860
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: this kid falls to seventeen, but I mean, I guess

861
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of offensive lineman going before we

862
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: get to pick number seventeen. Yeah, this would be one

863
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: of those picks where it would really be following like

864
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: the best player available model. I mean, this is someone

865
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: where you like this guy's a great talent. Let's find

866
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: a way to plug him in. I mean, I don't

867
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: care if he plays the same exact position per se

868
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: as Christian Kirksey. Maybe you find a way to make

869
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: it work. And I think that's what the Browns. I

870
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: don't think they would hesitate to make a move to

871
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: get a player like this because I think this team

872
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: can get better linebacker. Uh. And I think that someone

873
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: liked of this talent who when he was suspended for

874
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: the first half of the Alabama LSU game, there was

875
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: LSU fans treated like a blow. I mean they didn't

876
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: they already didn't have much of a chance and then

877
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: they lose one of their best defensive players in that game.

878
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: He was a big impact player on that defense. That

879
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: this would be a pick I would I would really

880
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: like And I think it's yeah, because I think he

881
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: would be someone that could really just be a playmaker

882
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: for your defense, super productive player at l s U,

883
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Captain Buckets Award winner, all the things you like, uh,

884
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: from from that position, I would think it'd be a

885
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: home run. I just wonder why he's getting mixed reviews.

886
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: Is it maybe position fit? Is just because every everyone's

887
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: looking for these true pass rusher types or anything like that.

888
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: But he's just a good football player. In a heartbeat,

889
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, mel Kiper's got him going to the Bengals

890
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: at eleven. I would not be pleased about that. Yeah,

891
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: I and I saw another team. There was an I

892
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: think we put out a mock on Tuesday or around

893
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: up of the mocks and someone one of the mock

894
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: drafts had Devin White going to the Steelers. And if

895
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: someone responded to me, He's like, why are we letting

896
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: all these great players always go to the Steelers and

897
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, to get these better because we always see

898
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: so they chasy years and everyone liked that these great

899
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: defensive players end up with Pittsburgh. This would be a

900
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: pick I would like. I would be on board with this.

901
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: It would truly fit the best player available model. But uh,

902
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: we'll see if he gets there. So Nick Bosa, you know,

903
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: we were all right, we've talked about who the experts

904
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: have the Browns taking. Nick Bosa's at number one. He's

905
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna work out at the Combine, He's gonna go through everything.

906
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: This is after he missed half a season at Ohio State.

907
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: I think how he handled some things was disappointing, especially

908
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: not being on the sideline, not being supportive of your teammates,

909
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: and just dropping out of school altogether, and yet he's

910
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: a unanimous number one. Is there any way that heat

911
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: isn't the number one pick in this track? I think

912
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: if someone gets crazy and trades and things, the only

913
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: way they can get Kyler Murray's if they take them

914
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: one pick that they trade, because Arizona is in a

915
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: position to trade this pick unless they want Kyler Murray

916
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: for themselves because they've got their quarterback, so they don't

917
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: necessarily have to have Nick Bosa. They could if they

918
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: fall love with a Josh Allen or or some of

919
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: these other top players. I mean I barely I barely

920
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: looked at the top of the draft because it doesn't

921
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: concern us. But I know that you know it's it's

922
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: always Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and Quinnin Williams. If some

923
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: some teams fall in love with these kind of players.

924
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: I just don't see anyone trading up to number one

925
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: to get a non quarterback, especially in this kind of

926
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: draft where there's a lot of good defensive players, so

927
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: it'll be interestantly. I think Nick Bosa can get away

928
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: with a lot of this stuff, these potential red flags

929
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: because of what his brother has done, who also was

930
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: a different guy. This is this is a family that

931
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: knows the business side of football more than most, and

932
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: I think he will get grilled on this. You know,

933
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: brother also has an injury history here and he's missed

934
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: some time here in the NFL, and I think the

935
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: questions are gonna be it'll be interesting to see his medicals,

936
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: maybe more so than you know, how he answers questions

937
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: and how he performs at the combine. But is that

938
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: a family history of injuries? Is it just a freak

939
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: injury and he, you know, just decided to play it

940
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: safe and leave school. Yeah, I mean, it's just it'll

941
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: be interesting because they're the Cardinals, Like, weren't like terrible

942
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: on defense last year. They were a mess on offense.

943
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I think Steve Wilkes did a great job with keeping

944
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: that defense in the I think, especially against the past,

945
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: they were a pretty tough defense. So it's not like

946
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: like they need this guy on their defense. So I

947
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: think they're in a position to trade. It just seems

948
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: to me, but this, this is what happens when you

949
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: have a weak quarterback. Class. There's like no buzz around

950
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: Nick Bost right now, even though he's coming from Ohio State.

951
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: It's just we haven't we haven't talked about him since

952
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: what September as a player. I mean, it's been a

953
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: long time. So and and really Kentucky was better this year,

954
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: but Josh Allen wasn't a household name throughout most of

955
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: that season because it's still Kentucky. So and Quentin Williams

956
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: was the guy that maybe had the most buzz going

957
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: with them. Well, and that's I talked to, you know,

958
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: our our good friend Bo Bishop, who does Cleveland Browns

959
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: daily every day, and he says, you know, Josh Allen,

960
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: Rashawn Gary, who's being mentioned as a top four or

961
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: five pick, Williams, who you talked about, Ferrell, the edge

962
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: rusher from Clemson. He said, you know, there, everybody just

963
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: kinda they all had disappearing moments. There was never consistently

964
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: every game just a dominating performance like you got from

965
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: Bosa prior to Bosa getting hurt. And that's where the

966
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: questions are. I do wonder say a team like if

967
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: you're the Giants and you know you want to take

968
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, if he's your guys or quarterback to take

969
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: over the reins for Eli Manning. Do you worry about

970
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: having to wait until number six to get him? And

971
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: is that a team that could potentially trade up? Could

972
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: someone like Dwayne Haskins be the number one pick in

973
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: this draft? If you're when you're number six, you can't

974
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: guarantee that someone's not going to trade ahead of you

975
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: can get your guy. And I think that's that could

976
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: be a concern. It's not like last year when the

977
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Jets could trade up to number three and few pretty

978
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: good about their options at that spot. Six, you you're

979
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: probably only gonna have one guy you want. I think

980
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: that in that situation, Denver was a prime candidate before

981
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: they went out and got Joe Flacco. Yeah, to move

982
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: up to that number, move up to number three and

983
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: make a deal with the Jets and snag the quarterback.

984
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: Now they have Flacco, I don't think they're looking for

985
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So is it the Dolphins move to move up?

986
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: Do they have the assets to move up? I think

987
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are playing for two. Yeah, so I don't.

988
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're even I don't think they're

989
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: concerning themselves with this, so I don't know if anybody

990
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: moves up now. Yeah, Jacksonville is the only the team

991
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: you think about, but they they might be a prime

992
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: candidate to get a Nick Foles if the Browns don't

993
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: resigned Tyrod Taylor. That's another guy that makes a lot

994
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: of sense for the Jaguars there. They have a team

995
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: that's built to win now as well with their defense,

996
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: they have high expectations, so a rookie might not make

997
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: sense for them as well. You know, a lot of

998
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: these marks. We'll get a lot more detail and a

999
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: lot more in depth after next week. We'll have a

1000
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: much better idea where guys are having a better shot

1001
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: of going than other places. Yeah, but this is still

1002
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: there's not going to be clarity even by the draft.

1003
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is life at number seventeen, that's what's

1004
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I mean, there's you're relying on a lot

1005
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: of teams decisions, and I just think that it's that

1006
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: part of the draft work. It's a little murky where

1007
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: the guy that is projected in a mock draft all

1008
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: preseason at number fifteen, that guy could very well go

1009
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: number thirty. You know. It's just it's just that that's

1010
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: where this stuff gets really influx. Really, the only thing

1011
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: that gets set, I would say, is at best the

1012
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: top ten, and then after that it's usually a crapshoot.

1013
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: And I think with a number of Clemson kids coming out, yeah,

1014
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean who's great, who's good? Who maybe was good

1015
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: because of the players they played around? Yeah, I think

1016
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: that's something that you're gonna have to figure out here

1017
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: as we get closer to the NFL Draft. All Right,

1018
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: this is our NFL Combined Previews, So we gotta do

1019
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: three big things Andrew Gribbles Three big things to watch

1020
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: for next week at the NFL Combine. Gribbs, are you ready?

1021
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I am, let's go. Number one. Number one is going

1022
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: to be dkm Metcalf. I'm the most intrigued by him

1023
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: because of what he's done to his body. He's coming

1024
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: off an injury and he truly does look like David Boston,

1025
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's a good thing right now.

1026
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: So it's now he's made himself look great. Now can

1027
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: he move? Convince me why you are the best wide

1028
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: receiver in the draft. I think that he's gonna have

1029
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on him because it's a it's

1030
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: a sexy position, and he is the biggest name at

1031
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: that position, and I think the viral photo has just

1032
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: raised him to another level. So let's see if he

1033
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: has that speed. We don't need a big slow guy.

1034
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: We need a big fast guy. And I think that

1035
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: especially if you're if you are even considering a wide

1036
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round, you've got to be pretty

1037
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: sure that they're going to help you right away, which

1038
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: recent years they've not. I mean the guy from Olmos

1039
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: just a few years ago, same same kind of receiver,

1040
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Lakwan Treadwall. He's done nothing in the NFL. You know.

1041
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: I think that there's and there's a lot of guys

1042
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: like that because the NFL, they're running these very simple

1043
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: routes in college right now, and then all of a sudden,

1044
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit more complex at the NFL level.

1045
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: My second thing is nothing combine related, but it's in

1046
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: terms of on field, but off field. I want to

1047
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: know who's interviewing quarterbacks, mostly because I want to figure

1048
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: out how many quarterbacks are gonna be taken before the

1049
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: Browns make their pick. I'm rooting for all of the

1050
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to be taken before the Browns make their pick

1051
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: because I want the best defensive player or even just

1052
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: best player possible. And I don't think Daniel Jones or

1053
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Drew lock are better football players than a lot of

1054
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: the players that than the guy that the brown can

1055
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: get seventeen, but their quarterbacks, and they're probably gonna go

1056
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: ahead of them. I'm rooting for t. J. Hockinson, go

1057
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: go above seventeen. I'm rooting for all these guys to

1058
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: go that the Browns wouldn't be interested in, get them

1059
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: off the board, and get us the best possible player

1060
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: at number seventeen. Number three is is the last day

1061
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: of drills. It's the defensive backs, the corners. This is

1062
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: where forty times matter. I think that's there's a lot

1063
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: of other positions they don't matter as much. I think

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Speaker 1: it matters at the at that corner, and I think

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Speaker 1: that we saw it last year. I think it's maybe

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Speaker 1: the only thing denzil Ward did at the combine was

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Speaker 1: run the forty because he had some other issues injury wise.

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Speaker 1: He did more stuff later down the line. But I

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Speaker 1: want to see what these guys run. Speed very much

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Speaker 1: helps and it could separate you because I think there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of corners that keep eating linked to the

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Speaker 1: Browns that would not be opposed to Greedy Williams from

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Speaker 1: l s U Byron Murphy from Washington. UH. This team

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Speaker 1: has much upgraded their defensive backfield, but in no position

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Speaker 1: to turn one away if there's a really good one

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. So that's if there's a guy that can

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Speaker 1: really impress you as a as a corner with his athleticism,

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00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: that can really tell you that this guy is ready

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Speaker 1: to fit into your defense. And especially with new defensive

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Speaker 1: cordineer Steve Wilkes a defensive back background, I think he'll

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Speaker 1: have his his eyes definitely trained to what those guys

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Speaker 1: are doing perfect. Those are three big things to watch

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Speaker 1: for next week at the NFL Combine. Or reminder, our

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00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: podcast will come to you live from Indianapolis next week.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily will be live on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

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Speaker 1: A number of interviews, a number of videos for compliments

1087
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: of our video team with a behind the scenes look

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00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine all week long. Now, I have

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00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: one factor fiction factor fiction a player will get sent

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00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: home because they will be annoyed with how long the

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Speaker 1: medical process. I don't know. I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: a Ruben Foster out there. I mean, there's some These

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00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: guys go through a lot, and I just I think

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Speaker 1: that it's it's a it's a grind of a week,

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00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: and it's really a grind of a season for these

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Speaker 1: these guys. And I think that's why for once these

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00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: guys go through their final rookie season, it's January when

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Speaker 1: they finally get a break. They've been through a lot.

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Speaker 1: So I don't blame them for their emotions, but that's

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Speaker 1: that's part of the test to you gotta be able

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Speaker 1: to handle all this stuff. It's not even just Rubin Foster.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every year there's someone either predominantly or

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Speaker 1: a guy we don't know about that there's a release,

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00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: he's been sent home, he was arguing with the medical staff,

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00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: he got annoyed with the process. I mean, just think about, though,

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Speaker 1: how annoying is it to go to the doctor, and

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Speaker 1: then you multiply that by thirty two because you're getting

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00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: checked over and over and over again, same stuff, same questions,

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Speaker 1: And if you're a guy that's had an injury, getting

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Speaker 1: asked about that injury over and over and over again,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame. These guys are getting frustrated. But again

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Speaker 1: it's part of the test. So we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I think there's there's always potential. There's always one bombshell

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Speaker 1: moment at every combine. Two years ago, I think it

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Speaker 1: was the Jimmy g News that took over the combine,

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Speaker 1: and then last and then there's just been issues. There's

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Speaker 1: there's always something every year. There is indeed, final question

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Speaker 1: the go to restaurants next week when we are in India.

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Speaker 1: It's no brainer. It's iris. It's just just I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we were I think we already started talking about

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Speaker 1: making a reservation. I mean that saying almost. You go

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00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: there once a couple of times. It's fine, you have

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Speaker 1: the shrimp cocktail and spicy sauce. You gotta get away

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00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: from the in Indianapolis, you've gotta get away from the

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Speaker 1: block that is the area where all the combine is

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Speaker 1: to get the real good restaurants. There's there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of good ones in that area, but you gotta venture

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Speaker 1: out to like Indie's version of Ohio City or Indie's

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Speaker 1: version of Tremont, That's where you're gonna find some of

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Speaker 1: the good restaurants. Iris is definitely the best. Yeah, fantastic

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Speaker 1: Italian food. And my recommendation is not a uh for

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Speaker 1: the tacos. Yeah, that's that's good. That's in the square.

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Speaker 1: That that'll be. That'll be one of the nights. Sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's gonna wrap up this week's Best Podcast Available.

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Speaker 1: Final thoughts. Yeah, you know it's it's exciting to finally

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Speaker 1: get to the this. I feel like there has been

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Speaker 1: a slow moving draft season. We're scraping for draft news.

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Speaker 1: But I think once this combine finally happens, he gets

1139
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Speaker 1: a free agency then we can really start kicking any

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Speaker 1: galast no question about it. He's Andrew Gribble. I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Brown's Vice president of player Personnel Alonso Highsmith.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you for listening. Reminder you can get this

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Speaker 1: podcast at Cleveland Browns dot com or wherever you get

1144
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: your podcasts. If you missed last week with Charles Davis

1145
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: and Nathan Zigura, you can check that one out as

1146
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: well there and we'll be with you every Thursday all

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Speaker 1: the way up to the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best Podcast Available