WEBVTT - An Attorney’s Perspective on the Shift in American Politics (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>Let's gold you low. So I just kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to get your thoughts on a couple of stories. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just talk to me, all right. I'm going to share

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<v Speaker 1>a bit from NPR dot org. A federal system oh sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a federal system for doing background checks on law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>officers has gone offline thanks to an executive order signed

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<v Speaker 1>by President Trump when he returned to the White House

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<v Speaker 1>on January twentieth. The National Law Enforcement Accountability Database was

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<v Speaker 1>launched in twenty twenty three as a central repository of

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<v Speaker 1>the professional records of federal law enforcement officers. The main

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<v Speaker 1>purpose was to allow perspective employers, other federal agencies, or

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<v Speaker 1>local police to check their backgrounds from his conduct. The

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<v Speaker 1>system is now offline. Why did President Trump decommission the database?

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<v Speaker 1>It appears to be a casualty of Trump's flurry of

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<v Speaker 1>first day executive actions, which included the revocation of a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of President Biden's executive orders. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>Biden orders was a package of police reforms signed on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty two, the second anniversary of the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd. The database was just one item among many

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<v Speaker 1>in Biden's order, and since sorry and the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>has not criticized it specifically, though in the preface to

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<v Speaker 1>the revocation it criticized the Biden policies in general over

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<v Speaker 1>what it called unlawful and radical DEI ideology. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that I mentioned this states individually

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<v Speaker 1>can still keep databases, but you know, what are your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on that? And I guess what do people do

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<v Speaker 1>if they encounter police misconduct? Now, maybe you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the answer for that, but that feels like a tremendous loss,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since you know, those of us that have been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fighting this fight since twenty twenty, where police

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<v Speaker 1>accountability was really all we were asking but the main

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<v Speaker 1>thing we were asking for us should say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on this? And you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of words for people that are concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, it feels like we're taking steps back, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>big giant steps back. You know, the George Floyd case

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<v Speaker 2>was a big deal, and so to have the federal

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<v Speaker 2>records completely offline now and how do you how do

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<v Speaker 2>you hold those police forces accountable? At this point, I

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<v Speaker 2>already feel like there's so much that happens in these

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<v Speaker 2>cases that families aren't given, you know, the unredacted video tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>I have clients and families who reach out to me

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<v Speaker 2>all the time when they say, you know, this happened

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<v Speaker 2>to my family member, and we've been asking for the

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<v Speaker 2>video tape for two years. Why aren't they releasing it

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<v Speaker 2>to us, why can't they give it to us? And

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<v Speaker 2>so in a in a system that's already broken, to

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<v Speaker 2>have even more roadblocks put up is very scary, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think you just have to continue to be persistent.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to keep asking. You know, we have rights

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<v Speaker 2>that are undeniable rights in this country, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>those is to make public records requests to these organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do have to eventually give those videotapes and

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<v Speaker 2>those records to people who have loved ones who are involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the answers. I think the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>would be to continue to fight. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a new fight, right and I think that having, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an administration that feels like they can do this and

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's going to say anything is also a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think people like you who are saying something

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<v Speaker 2>about it, who are shining the bright light on it,

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<v Speaker 2>are so important. So your work is actually going to

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully help revert that or fight it somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Listen, I appreciate you saying that, but the truth

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<v Speaker 1>of the matter is that right now it's lawyers that

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of holding up what's left of democracy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the levers of government are in the hands of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a further right government than I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen in my lifetime. This is you know, there's there

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<v Speaker 1>is I don't even consider him to be a decent person,

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<v Speaker 1>like a decent human being. Even this very thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about right now. You can you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at as nears makes no difference. Forty million people in

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<v Speaker 1>Unison more or less about their grievances at the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of the police. Forty million United States citizens more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, let's just you know, for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>a round numbers, this is not just a black issue.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a police issue. And there's often been this

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that it's just a few bad apples, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few bad apples, right, And that's been the narrative that

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<v Speaker 1>they've used to push back against the progressive policies that

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<v Speaker 1>we've wanted to see implemented with respect to police. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to have, you know, wide scale police reform.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a few bad apples. Once we weed them out,

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<v Speaker 1>everything will be fine. You guys, calm down, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>this has been their approach. But this maneuver by Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to wipe out the database that accounts for the

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<v Speaker 1>transgressions of those bad apples. It's almost like the presumption

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<v Speaker 1>is that all police are perfect, they are above accountability,

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<v Speaker 1>and all forty million of those black people are just

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<v Speaker 1>imagining it or they are not even worth hearing. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that feels like, like when I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't even feel like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>decent person. That's where that comes from, and again where

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<v Speaker 1>we are right now. And I appreciate you saying so,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, there are many people who have said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a show like this is more important than ever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, especially now on the other side of that election.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to get really bad and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to stay bad for a long time, and we need

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to keep talking. Hey, look, I got you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not giving up. I am not ague. There's no quit

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<v Speaker 1>in me. My heart doesn't know how big my body is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And I run it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was born it down from Compton, right, so you know

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. I've had such a fantastic life that

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<v Speaker 1>if I round the next corner and that's it for me,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's waiting on me. So be it right. But this

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<v Speaker 1>fight is taking place in the courtrooms. These fights are

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<v Speaker 1>taking place in courts around the country, and your work

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<v Speaker 1>and your work with Ben and Crump is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than ever. And so I guess, you know, just sharing

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<v Speaker 1>these stories is something that kind of helps the public

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<v Speaker 1>know kind of what's going on. But you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>something occurs to you, of course reach out to us

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<v Speaker 1>at Civic Cipher to reach out to Pineapple Lawyer as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about it. I want to share another story

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<v Speaker 1>too here. This one's from the Washington Post. Marlene Ames

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<v Speaker 1>was distraught in twenty nineteen when she was bumped from

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<v Speaker 1>an administrator position at the state agency overseeing youth corrections

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<v Speaker 1>and replaced by a gay man who she says was

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<v Speaker 1>less qualified. Ames was demoted and her pay was cut

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<v Speaker 1>more than forty thousand dollars. A few months later, she

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<v Speaker 1>lost a management job she had applied for to a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who had not sought the position initially. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit, Ames would soon file that woman, too, was gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Ames's job discrimination lawsuit makes an unusual claim that could

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<v Speaker 1>up end how many any of the nation's courts have

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<v Speaker 1>handled such cases for decades. The department, she says was

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<v Speaker 1>biased against straight people like her. Straight discrimination. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what she's alleging. The Supreme Court heard oral arguments in

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<v Speaker 1>Ames's bid to revive her case, which was stymied in

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<v Speaker 1>the lower courts because of past rulings that set a

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<v Speaker 1>higher legal bar for men, straight people, and whites to

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<v Speaker 1>prove bias in the workplace than for groups that have

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<v Speaker 1>historically faced discrimination. That higher standard is unconstitutional, her suit says.

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<v Speaker 1>The case is being closely watched by corporations and employment lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>many of whom expect the High Court's conservative supermajority to

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<v Speaker 1>side with Ames now sixty and make it easier for

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<v Speaker 1>members of majority groups to sue. So here we are

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<v Speaker 1>now on the other side of the first Trump presidency,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Supreme Court was decidedly conservative. Democrats didn't stack

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<v Speaker 1>the courts. Democrats didn't do any of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure Republicans would have gladly done, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen that there is no When they make radical

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<v Speaker 1>changes to how we fundamentally live our lives in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>they call it fighting for America right. But the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that Democrats don't do it is because historically it's never

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<v Speaker 1>been done right. But the long and the short of

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<v Speaker 1>it is that Joe Biden had four years with a

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<v Speaker 1>decidedly conservative Supreme Court. Now Donald Trump is back in office,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it turns out, there are people suing because

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<v Speaker 1>they feel they're being discriminated against because they're straight. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people suing because they feel they've been disc eminated

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<v Speaker 1>against because they're white. And this is a mischaracterization and

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<v Speaker 1>in some instances a bastardization of what these laws, the

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<v Speaker 1>premise of these laws. Now, this is just my thoughts here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're an actual lawyer and these things have to hit

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<v Speaker 1>closer to home for you. What are your thoughts hearing

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<v Speaker 1>stories like these?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, constitutional law was one of my favorite classes in

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<v Speaker 2>law school, and constitutional law is where you learn about

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<v Speaker 2>all of the tests for large cases like the type

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<v Speaker 2>that you're describing about disparate treatment. So there are tests

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<v Speaker 2>that every court is supposed to apply when someone says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I was discriminated against her I was treated differently, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would be fact fact based which tests they apply.

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<v Speaker 2>But hopefully our court systems are not so broken and

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<v Speaker 2>that every single judge is not in the pocket of

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<v Speaker 2>our administration, and that they apply the correct tests to

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<v Speaker 2>every situation and figure out was this person treated fairly

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of I guess if she was straight or she

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<v Speaker 2>was gay or something like that. And that's a unique

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's a unique case. I haven't had any

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<v Speaker 2>clients that had that exact circumstance, right, but those constitutional

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<v Speaker 2>law tests and things that have been around for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>decades and decades should come into play. It's what's scary

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<v Speaker 2>about it is that a lot of these judges have

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<v Speaker 2>been appointed by the current administration, so by Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and so whether or not they apply the law as

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<v Speaker 2>it should be applied is yet to be I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a couple of things come across that I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, even from our Supreme Court, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>you think, why are intelligent people who obviously went to

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<v Speaker 2>law school and went to the same constitutional law classes

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<v Speaker 2>that I went to, why are they applying the law

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<v Speaker 2>so differently? And it's because every single mind works in

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<v Speaker 2>a different way. So you can almost go down that

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<v Speaker 2>gray path and figure out a way to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is why I'm gonna side with the conservatives. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why I think that you know, the left wing

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<v Speaker 2>is correct in this case, and it's so great, the

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<v Speaker 2>law is so great that there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are ways to.

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<v Speaker 2>Find good and bad in both sides. Right, nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>ever just black and white. That's where lawyers live. We

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<v Speaker 2>live in the gray, right. But I'm just hopeful that

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<v Speaker 2>the these principles that we know to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>solidified in both case law, in history, in constitutional law,

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<v Speaker 2>that they are applied across the board. But you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this woman who is making this claim, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the circumstances are. I would have to

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<v Speaker 2>read her case and see what the facts are before

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<v Speaker 2>I could make a, you know, an educated comment on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does worry me that groups that have not

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<v Speaker 2>been marginalized and don't have the power. So racism obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's a power thing. Right, Like groups that don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the power, we're gonna be more subject to racism and

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<v Speaker 2>discrimination and things like that. So for the majority to

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're now being discriminated against, or emboldening them

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<v Speaker 2>to feel like, oh, I can sue too, is a

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<v Speaker 2>slippery slope and I'm not excited about that at all,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that it's dangerous and I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>the court systems cannot least, you know, make some of

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<v Speaker 2>the decisions on the right side.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we need some standardization here. Yeah, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. And I think that you make a good

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<v Speaker 1>point because if let's say that this woman, what's her name,

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<v Speaker 1>Marlene Ames, Let's say Marlene Ames's name is Ramses, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is me and this actually happened to me, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have a tough time arguing that two instances,

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<v Speaker 1>one where I was demoted and someone who was less

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<v Speaker 1>qualified replaced me, and the second where someone who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seek a job was hired in front of me. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have a tough time proving to any court that

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<v Speaker 1>that was based on racism. Right, if it was two

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<v Speaker 1>white men, two white women, to whatever, I'd have the

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<v Speaker 1>toughest time trying to argue that in court this is

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<v Speaker 1>flat overt racism because I got demoted this one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this other time someone got hired. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even seeking the job. Okay, okay, But she again, now

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<v Speaker 1>with a conservative supermajority of the Supreme Court, has a

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<v Speaker 1>fighting chance, as illustrated by the fact that everybody's waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of what people are anticipating that this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to fundamentally change how that looks. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy because where I would have a tough time

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<v Speaker 1>even bringing that to a lawyer and just to even like, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>I get laughed out of the office for that. Like dog,

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<v Speaker 1>that's called being black dog, welcome to the club, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I would hear. But for her, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Supreme Court and in a fundament and if

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the epitome of white privilege, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>going to say that, I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? Right, Well, look what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a reflection of that in my view, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a scary, scary time.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, well we got one more. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll have enough time to really pontificate, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did want to share it. These are some words from

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Ebram x Kindy, who was a recent guest on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Here he says Trump's FBI plans to go

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<v Speaker 1>after anti racist black leaders in organization. If history is

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<v Speaker 1>any guide, Trump's FBI will exacerbate small rivalries and spread

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 1>false allegations against organizations and leaders to undermine the reputations

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<v Speaker 1>and support and or to justify jailing or silencing key leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>The pervasiveness of anti blackness among people of all races

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<v Speaker 1>eases this job of Trump's FBI and those unwittingly aiding

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<v Speaker 1>the state due to petty, ideological or personal differences. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He said this in response to an article in titled

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's FBI poised to focus counter terror strategies on things

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<v Speaker 1>like BLM and Antifa, and that's I believe, a vanity

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Fair article that he was responding to. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI is now going to be turning its sites

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<v Speaker 1>onto black organizations and treating the black organizations the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that you would treat like a what's the one

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<v Speaker 1>isis or you know, the kukus Klan or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't boys, Yeah, I don't even think that they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>really focused on proud boys and Kukusklan. I think that again,

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<v Speaker 1>there there's a fundamental shift in how because again the

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five, all these people are appointees. All

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.239
<v Speaker 1>these people are you know, people that were competent at

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<v Speaker 1>the job. Now they've fired and been replaced by people

0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:01.600
<v Speaker 1>who were loyalists, right, and so this very well could

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<v Speaker 1>be the way that this department goes and so it

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<v Speaker 1>compromises our capacity to fight back, you know, like thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything to add here, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's it's not the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>our history, right, Okay, look at how the Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 2>were treated.

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<v Speaker 1>Historically.

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<v Speaker 2>This has actually been a good thing at at some junctures,

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<v Speaker 2>right to make people wake up and say, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to fight for what's right. We want to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take back some of the power. So maybe this is

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<v Speaker 2>what the Democrats and some of those on our side

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<v Speaker 2>need in order to really get our stuff together. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we had four years to get our

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<v Speaker 2>stuff together while Biden was there, and this was all

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<v Speaker 2>we had. This was the plan that we came up with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we should, instead of being negative about it,

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<v Speaker 2>turn it into a positive and really try to move

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<v Speaker 2>forward and move upwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Well sound advice. I think that's probably the only advice

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<v Speaker 1>that we can take right now, and so we will

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<v Speaker 1>take it and leave it right there. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for having me, for taking the time to come

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<v Speaker 1>and talk to us. I know that we're asking big questions,

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and these big questions don't really have nice, easy answers,

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<v Speaker 1>but I appreciate you giving us something, because as I say,

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<v Speaker 1>something is is not nothing. Once again, our guest is

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Owen, better known as Pineapple Lawyer. Be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>follow her online at Pineapple Lawyer on all platforms. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a civil rights attorney, has worked major civil rights cases

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Ben Crump, has worked with a ton of athletes

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<v Speaker 1>and actors and fami's important people, and she has come

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<v Speaker 1>down from the mountains to hang with us today. So

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<v Speaker 1>we again we can't thank you enough.

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<v Speaker 2>My honor.

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<v Speaker 1>y'all peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks