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Speaker 1: This is the second stutter that I've had already. It's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: December sixth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yep, that means uh, yes, It's National Gaspacho Day, It's
Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas Day, It's National Day of Remembrance my lips
Speaker 2: on Violence Against Women Day. It's National miners like the
Speaker 2: people who mind Shit Day, h nash shout out the
Speaker 2: pond brokers because it's your day also, and also fucking
Speaker 2: Mitten Tree Day. I don't know what Midton Tree Day is,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I guess you collect mittens and
Speaker 2: you hang them on the Christmas tree and then hand
Speaker 2: them out to those and need I'd imagine the people
Speaker 2: that need them would probably want them immediately rather than
Speaker 2: being like, let me adorn my tree with these mittens.
Speaker 2: Someone would need. But here we are Mitten Day, and aren't.
Speaker 1: The pombro the pawn Stars really the modern day miners
Speaker 1: when you think about it.
Speaker 2: For gold story, Yeah, whatever, it is they do it.
Speaker 1: My name's Jack O'Brien aka man, you sure look like
Speaker 1: cat not Joe. My friend left here a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Where George tooth come from? Where did he go? Tooth
Speaker 1: transform him to cat? And I Joe, that's courtesy.
Speaker 2: And no clue to come from?
Speaker 1: Where that tooth come from? Man? Where talking about the
Speaker 1: transformative nature we've talked about wig acting before the tooth acting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tooth acting acting, tooth acting.
Speaker 1: Tooth acting truly amazing. Tooth acting happening in a Killer
Speaker 1: of the Flower Moon and just made me realize that
Speaker 1: tooth acting from the very time for the first time
Speaker 1: I saw someone put a little black thing over there.
Speaker 1: Tooth up. Through Leonardo DiCaprio's performance and Killers of the
Speaker 1: Flower Moon, it always gets It fools me every single time, like, wait,
Speaker 1: that's not Leonna, that guy is ugly man, Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2: That's not my three What you call it gompers or.
Speaker 1: Some gumpers I think, but gompers might be better. It's
Speaker 1: an impression of poetic license. I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host mister.
Speaker 2: Miles Grat Miles Gray Gay. Those are dinosaurs they're huge balls.
Speaker 2: Those are dinosaurs. They're huge balls. Those are dinosaurs. They're
Speaker 2: huge balls. That's why they're so big. Yes, they're dino balls.
Speaker 2: Or they're just a guy's balls. Actually that's what it
Speaker 2: should be. But shout out to Pato sand on the
Speaker 2: discard who gave me that they might be giants rework because.
Speaker 1: They are giant. They might be giants balls is what
Speaker 1: they thought they.
Speaker 2: I think they did in a parenthetical. Yes, yes, many jokes.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third
Speaker 1: seat by one of our favorite guests here on the
Speaker 1: Daily Seite. Guys. Uh you know him from the podcast
Speaker 1: This Day in Esoteric Political History in the past. You
Speaker 1: know good sport from Ted and Pushkin thirty for thirty
Speaker 1: for ESPN, the five thirty eight politics podcast Going where
Speaker 1: way back, But that's where I first heard him. He's
Speaker 1: the lead producer of The Puzzler, a very fun puzzle podcast.
Speaker 1: He's building a puzzle empire. It's Jody Ever got out.
Speaker 3: It is very nice to be here, though I will
Speaker 3: say I would very happily just let you do intros
Speaker 3: and never actually get folded into the conversation.
Speaker 2: Keep going everyone. We should we could try. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's not not too far off that we have
Speaker 2: an episode.
Speaker 3: You know, I was entering like a nice little fuch
Speaker 3: state here, just watching you guys do your thing, and.
Speaker 1: That is what we aim for, the fugue states, where
Speaker 1: you lose all track of your past and future and
Speaker 1: you're just like, hey, what.
Speaker 3: A couple of notes. Thank you for clarifying that it
Speaker 3: was my nerves, not miners. Yeah, okay, a weird, very
Speaker 3: weird holiday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also I'm realizing as you introduced me there, that
Speaker 3: making a show called the Puzzle podcast is just really
Speaker 3: it's fun for us producers in audio.
Speaker 2: Called the puzzle podcast.
Speaker 3: It's called the puzzle, It's called the puzzler. But then uh,
Speaker 3: you know, you just say the variations of the word
Speaker 3: puzzle a lot, and then you say podcast a lot too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pop puzzler, pop that puzzler.
Speaker 3: Listeners love this stuff, by the way they do.
Speaker 1: They're like, more nonsense, please just don't give me content. Well, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we will give you content.
Speaker 2: It's art, Jody. We're going to get to know you
Speaker 2: a little bit better in no moment.
Speaker 1: First, we're going to tell our listeners. A couple of
Speaker 1: things that we're talking about. ACAB does include COP twenty
Speaker 1: eight as well. COP twenty eight continues to make a
Speaker 1: mockery of air climate cre the COP conference still out
Speaker 1: here doing it, just.
Speaker 2: Just being like, yeah, climate change for sure. So y'all
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 1: Some oil deals or what Right, So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: just broad strokes. What's going on over there. It leaves
Speaker 1: something to be desired. Well, we'll talk about what that thing?
Speaker 1: What that something is? George Santos on cameo, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He has taken a page from Rudy Giuliani's poorly photo
Speaker 1: copied pamphlet and as now selling personalized videos. On cameo,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about people's living situations. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about bass pro shops. You know, it's basically
Speaker 1: you may know them as your local gun museum, but
Speaker 1: others know them as bass pro shops. So we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Why those stores that you see
Speaker 1: when you're driving on the highway maybe have been to
Speaker 1: I've been told they're a lot of fun to visit
Speaker 1: every once in a while. Why those are taxpayer funded?
Speaker 1: All that plenty more. But first, Jody we do like
Speaker 1: to ask our guest, what is something from your search history.
Speaker 3: I will just present to you the actual last thing
Speaker 3: that I googled, which is love It verbatim. Why is
Speaker 3: it called constant comment?
Speaker 2: Tea?
Speaker 3: Do you know the tea? Constant comment?
Speaker 1: Constant?
Speaker 3: It's this like it's a tea blend. It's kind of
Speaker 3: a black tea with a little orange rind in it.
Speaker 3: They serve it at this coffee shop that I that
Speaker 3: I often work at, that was working out this morning,
Speaker 3: and I really love it. It's it's wonderful. It's been
Speaker 3: like years, a couple of years of me being really
Speaker 3: into it. And then I finally stopped and just looked
Speaker 3: at the actual name, and I, you know, it's got
Speaker 3: me thinking a lot about I've come to really be
Speaker 3: a believer and like a good name is really really powerful,
Speaker 3: And it's a fantastic name, constant comment, because it sounds normal,
Speaker 3: you know, it rolls off the tongue, it's got some nice,
Speaker 3: like nice hard consonants. And then for and then today
Speaker 3: for the first time, I was like, wait, what does
Speaker 3: it actually mean? And I think that's a really nice
Speaker 3: thing about a name that it could just kind of
Speaker 3: immediately just be its own sort of universe of meaning.
Speaker 2: Whatever it means.
Speaker 1: Whoever created was an SEO master, so it probably stuttled
Speaker 1: in the school of on Google's campus for many years.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, who created it? You asked, Well, Rudy Campbell Bigelow.
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty five, she created a constant comment tea.
Speaker 3: She was unhappy with a variety of teas on the market,
Speaker 3: so she created a blend of black tea and orange
Speaker 3: rind and spices and inspired by an early colonial era recipe.
Speaker 3: The new flavor was so popular among her friends that
Speaker 3: it received quote constant comments, therefore giving the tea its name.
Speaker 3: I like, great backstory, great tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like just sort of like say, cleverness
Speaker 2: of the naming. It reminds of like how they named weed.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, this one, dude, it's like constant giggles
Speaker 2: broke because when you hear that shit, everybody's been fucking
Speaker 2: laughing the whole time. Very very nice blend you have
Speaker 2: here of indicansativa. Yeah, it's so funny that you mentioned this.
Speaker 2: I randomly just came across like on like on Twitter
Speaker 2: or something and ad from big olots, like from like
Speaker 2: it's like a message from the founder of big elod.
Speaker 3: T you're about to turn forty, and they just they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know, they know, And I'm like, they've got
Speaker 2: a clock on every one of us. Yeah, They're like,
Speaker 2: take that Wu tang jersey off and here's a cup
Speaker 2: of big old t you old embrace it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But I just yeah, So it's it's funny that now
Speaker 2: I'm having the big lot message we reinforced in multiple ways. Now, Yeah, if.
Speaker 3: You have room in some future episode or even just
Speaker 3: when we're just chatting, not on a podcast. One of
Speaker 3: the greatest stories I ever know is about the naming
Speaker 3: of a of a product. And I will tell it
Speaker 3: at some point, or I can do it as a
Speaker 3: bonus at some point, but yeah, take the bonus.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: The idea that tea's where the original weed strain is
Speaker 1: interesting because then they used to call weed tea, Like,
Speaker 1: wasn't that a thing? I think in one of those
Speaker 1: like early twentieth century novels, I think they keep referring
Speaker 1: to weed as team maybe like on the Road or
Speaker 1: something like that. Oh, interesting, So the connection runs deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was Yeah, Okay, I did have no idea.
Speaker 2: Well that all makes sense, damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Jody, what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Can I combine my overrated and underrated and and ask
Speaker 3: you to pinpoint where we stand here? And I and
Speaker 3: I and I like this podcast to be able to
Speaker 3: have these kinds of conversations I can't have with some
Speaker 3: other folks. But Tyrese Haliburton, where is he on that
Speaker 3: undulating overrated underrated NBA hype based on.
Speaker 2: Based still underrated?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's injured, like his rating is undulating?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, very good?
Speaker 3: Wow? Constantly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I watched, I actually watched like a
Speaker 2: lot of that game against the Celtics, and I was
Speaker 2: blown away. But his performance there and just like his
Speaker 2: stats right now are pretty they're they're solid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, no, I mean you know so I
Speaker 3: so so he kind of is like the at least
Speaker 3: before this season, in the offseason, you know, for people
Speaker 3: who are like in the NBA fantasy leagues, he was
Speaker 3: the kind of like classic like his stats are incredible,
Speaker 3: He's going to go super high, but you know, is
Speaker 3: he just a stat guy and whatever? And then I,
Speaker 3: you know, and I sort of like had dismissed him
Speaker 3: as that and sort of had this little antagonistic like
Speaker 3: and then you know, I kind of I read a
Speaker 3: great long profile of him in the ESPN, the magazine,
Speaker 3: and it was like, oh, he's like a seems like
Speaker 3: a real good dude. And then yeah, he's played a
Speaker 3: couple of national Games where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: he is legit. And you know, last night was his big,
Speaker 3: I think, breakout performance where people are talking about him
Speaker 3: as the next kind of big superstar. But I will
Speaker 3: also say, and this is why it straddles both lines.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: Aesthetically, something about his game is a little jankie to me. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: Like his shot starts like at the chest and then
Speaker 3: like pops up. It's just not I don't watch it
Speaker 3: and get and get that thrill that I watch when
Speaker 3: I watch other great.
Speaker 2: Players shoot or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah or Jah or whoever, Kyrie. You know it's like,
Speaker 3: but you know, usually most great players there's also an
Speaker 3: aesthetic appeal in addition to like they're just really effective, right,
Speaker 3: And he's got this weird disconnect on that front for me,
Speaker 3: And maybe you know, if I'm watching my mouf, I'll
Speaker 3: just come to appreciate his janky stuff. But even when
Speaker 3: he's dribbling, I'm like, the limbs are just going at
Speaker 3: like slightly different angles. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: And so now I'm like, I'm I'm roiling as you
Speaker 3: can tell, right, Yeah, with the durrated roller coaster that
Speaker 3: I'm injurating him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because some of the shots he put up, I
Speaker 2: was definitely like, is that are you? Are you sure that.
Speaker 1: I love an ugly shot? You don't get a lot
Speaker 1: of them in the NBA, right, You know, Sean Marion
Speaker 1: was like a solid deep long range shooter who shot
Speaker 1: it like he he just someone threw him a basketball
Speaker 1: that he and he never picked one up, and they
Speaker 1: were like, try try and shoot, try and shoot like
Speaker 1: a person. You know, nobody told him how to shoot basically,
Speaker 1: but and he's got he's got one of those ugly shots.
Speaker 1: I had an ugly shot when I was playing basketball,
Speaker 1: so I always know you're ugly.
Speaker 3: The two comps that came to mind were Sean Marian
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 2: Right and me, yes exactly. But you know.
Speaker 1: Somebody who has made it this deep and stuck to
Speaker 1: their ugly guns with their game, I would say, have
Speaker 1: you watched Shay Gilgess Alexander play. His game is also
Speaker 1: like his shot isn't ugly, but it's not pretty either,
Speaker 1: and his game is it's like a lot of off
Speaker 1: speed pitches. It's a lot of like herky jerkiness. And
Speaker 1: those are probably the two best young guards in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So like, I feel like there's something where people are
Speaker 1: figuring out like a way to model their games so
Speaker 1: that it's not just MP over everybody.
Speaker 3: And the best player in the world is someone who
Speaker 3: I like delight and how ugly his game is, right,
Speaker 3: and so you have so yeah, she likes Between jo
Speaker 3: Kics and those two, where are we like entering an
Speaker 3: era of the just like absurdly janky looking shot or
Speaker 3: body movement which feels weird?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You'd think that, like the mark that what is the
Speaker 3: arc of the athletic universe would bend towards grace, right right,
Speaker 3: Instead you.
Speaker 2: Have this, Yeah, but this one, like we say on
Speaker 2: Jack and Miles Gott Miles and Jackot Matt BOOSTI is
Speaker 2: Jokics plays uncle ball, You know what I mean? It's
Speaker 2: the energy of an uncle playing with the kids in
Speaker 2: the driveway, but at a profession like that's how he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't have to do much to fucking show y'all
Speaker 2: what's up. And it's this an interesting stat that game
Speaker 2: against the Celtics, Halliburton had a twenty six, ten and
Speaker 2: thirteen triple double. Uh that's stat line or better with
Speaker 2: zero turn turnovers has only occurred seven other times in
Speaker 2: an NBA history, And Yo kids did it twice this week.
Speaker 3: Well, oh that's so good. I hadn't see that element
Speaker 3: because I saw the other people who've done it and
Speaker 3: it's like the volunted terry, but I didn't realize that had
Speaker 3: done it twice.
Speaker 1: That's because this show is not necessarily designed for NBA fans,
Speaker 1: but for people No, no, it's it's good because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for people who aren't familiar with the NBA,
Speaker 1: it's worth watching this year. Like there are some like
Speaker 1: Yo Kich's a lot of people who are like lifelong
Speaker 1: fans of the league are saying Yo kich is the
Speaker 1: best offensive player they've ever seen, like full stop, like
Speaker 1: a better offensive player than Jordan, Like.
Speaker 3: He currently leads the league in points, assists, and rebounds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all three just ross that category.
Speaker 1: It seems pretty significant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those are Yeah, for those of you who don't,
Speaker 3: those are pretty significant.
Speaker 1: Those are the Big Three. And yeah, it's so like
Speaker 1: that's one thing that's happening in the league. There's a
Speaker 1: rookie who we've talkedalked about before on this show, Picture
Speaker 1: Onebi Yama, who is on a nightly basis doing things
Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen, like blocking shots like three pointers at
Speaker 1: the peak of their arc, like just absurd things, but
Speaker 1: like still also doesn't fully know what to do with
Speaker 1: himself out there in a lot of cases, so it's
Speaker 1: like watching somebody learning to fly. But then like every
Speaker 1: once in a while, it's like he hits the jackpot
Speaker 1: and you see him dunk from like a place you've
Speaker 1: never seen anybody dunk from and.
Speaker 2: Or just want to cover more ground in two steps
Speaker 2: than any human we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but his crossover goes from one side of the
Speaker 1: court like one sideline to the other.
Speaker 2: And he's learned and he's yes, he's comes self.
Speaker 3: Away, Yeah, he's ai.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And then Oklahoma City, like is this young team that's
Speaker 1: just super exciting that nobody's had coming in who I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are excited about.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very exciting time for NBA.
Speaker 2: Like if you're if.
Speaker 1: You've been, if you're like on on the cusp, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like this would be this would be
Speaker 1: the season to jump in. There's also a single elimination
Speaker 1: tournament that the game we're talking about right now with Haliburton.
Speaker 1: Last night he eliminated the Celtics and you know now,
Speaker 1: so now Indiana is going deep. New Orleans is going deep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's very exciting. It's like the things you like
Speaker 1: about single elimination sports have been brought to the NBA
Speaker 1: kind of for the first time. So exciting times. A
Speaker 1: reminder this NBA thing might be worth checking out.
Speaker 3: I love this game, Adam Silver. The check is in
Speaker 3: the mail.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, did you.
Speaker 1: Just come up with that I love this game thing?
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I love this game.
Speaker 2: I love this game. I love I love this game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, baby, And so is the COP Conference. We're
Speaker 1: at COP twenty eight. Yeah, it's the initial headlines. I
Speaker 1: don't know, there was like points during earlier this year,
Speaker 1: where people are like we've turned a corner, and then
Speaker 1: the initial headlines. I feel like it's a good metaphor
Speaker 1: for the climate discussion, where it's like you'll get some
Speaker 1: good headlines, some positive seeming things happening, and then like
Speaker 1: once you take a closer look, like people are like,
Speaker 1: it's it's not.
Speaker 2: Good, yeah, because like the whole point is to get
Speaker 2: you know, the all of the the one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five countries together and be like all right, y'all,
Speaker 2: how are we gonna unfuck this thing? And we all
Speaker 2: got before we leave, Yeah, like for real this time,
Speaker 2: we got to do some real heavy lifting. In the beginning,
Speaker 2: like you said, there were things that made it feel positive,
Speaker 2: like commitments to series cut like methane emissions and like
Speaker 2: increased funds for countries that are being affected by climate
Speaker 2: change who are otherwise unable to help themselves because of
Speaker 2: you know, the economics of it all. But like you're saying,
Speaker 2: he starts zooming out and the optimism like fucking vanishes
Speaker 2: like almost instantly, like for starters. Right, the event is
Speaker 2: taking place in Dubai, Okay. The UAE is a nation
Speaker 2: built on fossil fuel profits. And the man leading the
Speaker 2: talks in Dubai is this guy, Sultan al Jabert who
Speaker 2: he is the head of the state owned Abu Dhabi
Speaker 2: National Oil Company, and he is the one sort of
Speaker 2: presiding over these like climate talks, and and then so like,
Speaker 2: and I can add even more to this.
Speaker 4: Prior to the conference beginning, he said out loud in
Speaker 4: another conference, said there was quote no science that indicated
Speaker 4: that a phase out of fossil fuels is needed to
Speaker 4: stop temperatures from rising above one and a half degrees celsius.
Speaker 1: One more thing, who are you gonna believe? Who are
Speaker 1: you gonna believe? Miles, You're gonna believe the scientists, or
Speaker 1: you're gonna believe they got ahead of.
Speaker 2: State owned oil company. And then only that there was
Speaker 2: leaked There were leaked documents that showed that a lot
Speaker 2: of these people representing different state owned oil companies and
Speaker 2: the emirates were planning on using the talks to like
Speaker 2: generate more business for fossil fuel extraction. Like they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well it would be great because you know a lot
Speaker 2: of people are going to be in town for this,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to imagine anything significant will be done
Speaker 2: against this backdrop, especially when the biggest negotiation at the
Speaker 2: conference that everyone is paying attention to is are we
Speaker 2: going to actually start articulating a phase out of fossil fuels,
Speaker 2: or as some lobbyists would rather say, how about phase
Speaker 2: down because at least down doesn't indicate out forever. Can
Speaker 2: we say phase down? Can we say phase out? There's
Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth of that. Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: has flatly said that anything resembling a fossil fuel phase
Speaker 2: out in an agreement, they will just they will be
Speaker 2: it will be rejected by their delegation and the way
Speaker 2: the talks are structured, it all takes is one party
Speaker 2: to fucking scuttle whole thing. So you're dealing with a
Speaker 2: lot of fucking variables here that don't spell their you know,
Speaker 2: a good time for Earth in the near future. And
Speaker 2: then you have the record number of lobbyists of like
Speaker 2: from the oil gas industries that are there. Last year
Speaker 2: we talked about when it was in Egypt, they set
Speaker 2: a record for lobbyists that were in attendance, Like how
Speaker 2: they were more lobbyists than like people who were from
Speaker 2: like a single country for example, like they're the combined
Speaker 2: amount of lobbyists that are out actually registered as lobbyist,
Speaker 2: because there's a ton of people who might not be
Speaker 2: outwardly saying that they're there to lobby for something they are. Basically,
Speaker 2: they outnumber every country's delegation except for Brazil's, and Brazil
Speaker 2: has more because they are going to be hosting it
Speaker 2: in like a year and a half or something, so
Speaker 2: like that's why they have more people. But also they
Speaker 2: fossil fuel lobbyists outnumber in official indigenous representatives by seven
Speaker 2: to one, and that means like they have more passes
Speaker 2: lobbyists than the combined total of delegates from the ten
Speaker 2: most climate vulnerable countries combined, including Somalia, Chad, Tonga, the
Speaker 2: Solomon Islands, and Sudan. And this quote from David Tong
Speaker 2: of Oil Change International sums it up pretty well. He said, quote,
Speaker 2: you would not invite arms dealers to a peace conference,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what we have now. It's just
Speaker 2: arms fest at the peace.
Speaker 1: Fest depends on how lit you want your peace conference
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I mean I was one. I was
Speaker 3: sort of wondering and reading about this, whether this is
Speaker 3: like the new Davos, you know, and this is the
Speaker 3: new just kind of like we're going to go party,
Speaker 3: We're going to make ourselves feel important, and we're going
Speaker 3: to kind of cut some deals, and ostensibly there's this
Speaker 3: other project that's not actually gonna accomplish anything.
Speaker 1: Right, right, and they're like kind of protecting against something
Speaker 1: being accomplished. We've had climate experts and environmentalists on the
Speaker 1: show described this as an energy industry trade show, right, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went back and looked at because you
Speaker 3: know Cop twenty eight, that's renumber right, So I went
Speaker 3: back and looked at like Cop one and two and three, right,
Speaker 3: and so you know, the planks and the things, the
Speaker 3: basic you know, things that were being discussed at those
Speaker 3: in the mid nineties into the early two thousands were
Speaker 3: basically the exact same, right. Cop Cop two right in Geneva,
Speaker 3: Switzerland was basically about do we want uniform policies or
Speaker 3: do we want flexibility? Do we want legally binding mid
Speaker 3: term targets or do we want larger principles upon which
Speaker 3: we will all adhere.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Cop three was the big Kyoto Protocol one. Cop four
Speaker 3: was like we need we are pledging for a two
Speaker 3: year plan of action, right, right, you know, and that's
Speaker 3: like us, you know, two year plan of action, two
Speaker 3: year plan of action. I mean, and then you know,
Speaker 3: you look at like COP six seven eight, this question
Speaker 3: of financial assistance for developing countries and this question of
Speaker 3: kind of how to you know, developing countries need to
Speaker 3: use carbon in order to advance their economic principles, but
Speaker 3: also you know they're going to be affected. Back like
Speaker 3: that is just like year after year after year after year,
Speaker 3: it's just comes up, people say some things, it doesn't
Speaker 3: get fully results. So it is kind of remarkable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wasn't until last year where they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, I guess we can put some money together
Speaker 2: for these other right, And so.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think it's right, and it
Speaker 3: does feel like in this first the fact that got
Speaker 3: accomplished on the first day of the conference did the
Speaker 3: sort of surprise some climate activists and you know probably
Speaker 3: also then like let everyone at the conference be like, well,
Speaker 3: we did a good thing on day one, so we
Speaker 3: can just you know, lobby and party for the rest
Speaker 3: of it. But can I can I ask a sort
Speaker 3: of bigger picture question of the two of you for
Speaker 3: something I've been thinking about with climate activism and sort
Speaker 3: of you know what needs to get done, which is
Speaker 3: I think we've moved so far past the point where
Speaker 3: like a single solution or even like a single kind
Speaker 3: of group like, oh, the people are going to get
Speaker 3: together in Kyoto at COP three and kind of like
Speaker 3: governments are going to figure this out. We've moved so
Speaker 3: far past that idea of like a couple central answers
Speaker 3: to this that weirdly it feels like now we're in
Speaker 3: a well, we might as well try everything moment, right,
Speaker 3: And I think talking to folks you know, who are
Speaker 3: active in climate change circles, like that is where we're at.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like no one solution, no one political process, no
Speaker 3: one country is going to solve this. We just kind
Speaker 3: of have to try everything. And I weirdly find a
Speaker 3: little solace in that in that, like the guardrails, the
Speaker 3: abdication of responsibility is sort of off for most people,
Speaker 3: and it's just kind of like, well, we got to
Speaker 3: try everything, and so you know, maybe this is just
Speaker 3: maybe this is a sort of me giving up in
Speaker 3: some way. But I'm like, if cop accomplishes a you know,
Speaker 3: two percent of something, great because over here, someone's going
Speaker 3: to accomplish two percent over here, and that's the only
Speaker 3: way this is going to happen. Is just like a
Speaker 3: million different things nudging progress a little bit forward, as
Speaker 3: opposed to what we were doing for I think for
Speaker 3: a long time, which was sort of saying like, well,
Speaker 3: world leaders need to get together and get their act together.
Speaker 3: And I think that you know, idea is long gone.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Like it kind of the thing kind of
Speaker 2: reminds me of like those like scenes and like a
Speaker 2: like a superhero comedy film where someone's trying to get
Speaker 2: away in a car and the superheroes just lifting the
Speaker 2: car from the back so the wheels can't move right,
Speaker 2: and like that's what this feels like. The cars like
Speaker 2: it could go forward if these assholes let them let
Speaker 2: go and let it move forward. And then so we
Speaker 2: get these little incremental changes that like are absolutely heartening.
Speaker 2: I think it's just and then but looking at the
Speaker 2: totality of it, it's like, God, there's still so much
Speaker 2: energy and investment to basically offset whatever gains there are
Speaker 2: to continue like the profitability of the extraction. But I think,
Speaker 2: like to your point, it is better to think of
Speaker 2: like that there are many ways to potentially achieve this,
Speaker 2: whether it's through like how fucking like the dairy industry
Speaker 2: is working, or agriculture these other things, and if many
Speaker 2: of these things can come together that there we may
Speaker 2: find a way here. But the biggest thing is it's
Speaker 2: it's these nations. It's these state actors who are really
Speaker 2: have a lot of control over like the sheer volume
Speaker 2: of emissions. And when you know that, like they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're bringing our lobbyists to to COP twenty eight to
Speaker 2: represent our gas industries. Like just like like how serious
Speaker 2: are we? So I'm I'm less nihilistic and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just more de frustrated. Yes, that's that's kind of where
Speaker 2: I'm at.
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm curious when in looking back at
Speaker 1: the past cops, do you, like, would your sense be
Speaker 1: if there was some way to quantify like the actual
Speaker 1: beneficial ideas or you know, progress that came from each
Speaker 1: one of them. Like, how do you think if we
Speaker 1: were to rank the top twenty eight cops? Okay, top
Speaker 1: twenty eight?
Speaker 2: How long do you have copy?
Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering because it feels like putting a
Speaker 1: meeting together, a meeting of the minds with this as
Speaker 1: a as the central goal is a good idea in theory.
Speaker 1: Once it becomes a place for various companies to strategize,
Speaker 1: like in the presence of people talking about things that
Speaker 1: are specifically meant to hem them in Like then it
Speaker 1: almost becomes like you're building an institutional means for just
Speaker 1: skirting all the laws and all of the things that
Speaker 1: we are trying to do. Because yeah, I totally agree,
Speaker 1: Like it's not going to be one silver bullet, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of things. But those all
Speaker 1: of those things are going to be avoided with precision
Speaker 1: and legal you know, just millions of hours of legal
Speaker 1: arguments and contracts and things like that put in by
Speaker 1: these companies because that's what they do. Like sending companies
Speaker 1: that are focused only on profit for the most part,
Speaker 1: like focused only on profit to be the solution to
Speaker 1: climate change. It just seems so it seems not like
Speaker 1: you know, well we might as well try everything and
Speaker 1: more like this is actively doing harm, Like it's going
Speaker 1: to be the thing that will allow us to continue
Speaker 1: down the road that we've been going down. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: my concern.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that, it's like that that quote that
Speaker 2: Homer says and like about beer, except it's like fossil
Speaker 2: fuels the cause of and solution to all life's problems.
Speaker 2: You're like, how because there's so many gas on it. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean that is a huge thing. Like you hear
Speaker 2: the people how the lobbyists are speaking about the industries
Speaker 2: that the industry they represent, and they're like, we have
Speaker 2: to do this in a humane way, like and it's
Speaker 2: really talking about humane to their company's bottom line. But
Speaker 2: they're but they couch it in this thing, this argument
Speaker 2: of like, well, we're gonna need fossil fuels to help
Speaker 2: these other economies get online to get to that point.
Speaker 2: But really, and I think that's what makes it really
Speaker 2: difficult is because there it's easy to do this sort
Speaker 2: of double speak and then from that extract like a
Speaker 2: good headline if you are in the more greenwashing sector
Speaker 2: of this conference, or you can extract a good headline
Speaker 2: if you're there to protect the investments or whatever. So
Speaker 2: it is just kind of wild though, too, because we're
Speaker 2: in this like liminal base where like they're rich and powerful,
Speaker 2: are still doing their old school shit, like you know,
Speaker 2: like just self dealing in full view of the public,
Speaker 2: but because they were used to like a public that
Speaker 2: was just uninformed or apathetic, and now people are like
Speaker 2: what the fuck hold on, who's running the conference? How
Speaker 2: many lobbyists?
Speaker 3: And they're like, what the what's Well, it's a reality
Speaker 3: check where I think, you know, over the last year
Speaker 3: or two in the US, you know, I think you
Speaker 3: could probably tell yourself a story that like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: the sort of capitalistic market incentives and the energy and
Speaker 3: the climate change have kind of moved a little more
Speaker 3: in parallel and are maybe working a little more in
Speaker 3: sync right over the last year. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: for sure, the Biden's bill has a big part of that,
Speaker 3: and that was the sort of calculus there, and then
Speaker 3: you just you know, to your point, well as you
Speaker 3: get this like wake up call where it's just like
Speaker 3: a Katari assaultan who's like, what the fuck are you
Speaker 3: talking about? I'm an oil guy, Like, let's let's do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought the guess what, I just brought the
Speaker 2: entire global oil industry to my back yard. And then
Speaker 2: we can kind of like side plan stuff based on
Speaker 2: whatever else is going on. So yeah, it's it's uh, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: One one little tidbit, just that I noticed here from
Speaker 3: this guy that you you shouted out Sultan Ahmed al Jabart,
Speaker 3: which is like he spent his first his talk at
Speaker 3: the Climate on his first day his major address, like
Speaker 3: complaining about how the media had misinterpreted him about his climate,
Speaker 3: about his you know, comments earlier aboutw we'll never be
Speaker 3: able to divest from fossil fuels. And it's just such
Speaker 3: a like hallmark powerful person abdication of responsibility to then
Speaker 3: like just get their backs up about being misquoted and
Speaker 3: then spend their whole time. I feel like that's like
Speaker 3: if you're president of FIFA, that's all you do. You
Speaker 3: complain about media coverage. You don't actually address all the things.
Speaker 3: But it's like it's like it was it's just such
Speaker 3: a classic classic move and it was just.
Speaker 1: In a classic keynote. You want to open open the
Speaker 1: conference by talking about your own petty bullshit and resens
Speaker 1: that's how people you get everybody investment.
Speaker 2: The keynote address for the Conference of the Parties to
Speaker 2: help tackle the issue of Earth death, and you kick
Speaker 2: it off with to all my fucking haters. You're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, no, no, no, this is this is completely
Speaker 2: gone off the rails.
Speaker 1: Amazing. All right, let's move on to the boring black
Speaker 1: Mirror episode that young people today.
Speaker 3: Of the top cops on the discord. Okay cops, top.
Speaker 2: Cops Commandant Lessarge from Police Academy.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that guy rules, just completely oblivious.
Speaker 2: Completely senile. Yeah, that's what we need.
Speaker 1: Was he Henry from Punky Brewster or do I just
Speaker 1: is he just that guy in my memory?
Speaker 2: No way to know, I said, Lessarge Lassard George Gaines.
Speaker 2: That's what was the I mean we can well wait,
Speaker 2: we'll sidebar, we'll sidebar.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Henry Punky.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was. Hey, look
Speaker 2: at that. It was Henry Warnemont. I'm Punky bar. It
Speaker 2: is all right there.
Speaker 1: There was an article on Axios a couple weeks back
Speaker 1: that is basically just saying we're going to be living
Speaker 1: with roommates until we're fifty. That is, on average, the
Speaker 1: average age of people who can rent solo is fifty now,
Speaker 1: because everyone under that age is too poor and the
Speaker 1: rent is too damn high. It also mentions the baby
Speaker 1: boomers have quote ditched home ownership for low maintenance apartments,
Speaker 1: which makes it sound like a breezy lifestyle choice.
Speaker 2: This one easy hack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, find out about this one easy hack. Real estate
Speaker 1: agents don't want you to know about. Sell your house to.
Speaker 2: Them, Sell your house to a corporate entity.
Speaker 1: Yes, the one that really jumped out to me, eighty
Speaker 1: seven percent jump in the number of Americans age twenty
Speaker 1: five to thirty four living at home in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one compared to the previous decade. Meanwhile, the typical repeat
Speaker 1: home buyer is currently fifty eight according to data from
Speaker 1: the National Association of Realtors. And you know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of reporting from There's a New York Times
Speaker 1: article from last year. There's a Script's article from earlier
Speaker 1: this year about how more and more single family homes
Speaker 1: than ever are being purchased by investors, which ties into
Speaker 1: our special episode about private equity companies from earlier in
Speaker 1: the year. I think who killed the free ambulance? Was
Speaker 1: that what it was called? Something along those.
Speaker 3: Lines, just industry by industry, just following it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And there's this one quote in the Script's news article
Speaker 1: that I just want to read to you guys, word
Speaker 1: for word. There are billions of dollars, trillions of dollars,
Speaker 1: just sloshing around in the econ me looking for places
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Where do we go?
Speaker 1: What are we going to invest in? Real estate is
Speaker 1: a really really good investment, said Mike Delpre, a global
Speaker 1: real estate text strategist and scholar. It's definitely an issue
Speaker 1: worth paying attention to. So from his perspective, it's like
Speaker 1: an issue worth paying attention to.
Speaker 2: Scholar.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a real estate text strategist and scholar at
Speaker 1: the University of Colorado, Boulder.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was like a description he gave
Speaker 2: to them. He's like, yeah, you can describe me as
Speaker 2: this and.
Speaker 3: That about s h oh, I'm a scholar of making
Speaker 3: that bank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, it's s C A L L E R.
Speaker 2: I'm a shot caller, that's what. Yeah, yeah, s collar.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you not get it? Tell y'all what
Speaker 2: to do with these houses? You can get funk right
Speaker 2: out of here. I'm a collar.
Speaker 1: That is ultimately where the where the term scholar came from?
Speaker 2: Of course, just the origin.
Speaker 1: Little shot colors. But yeah, I don't know. For first
Speaker 1: of all, very infuriating for you know, when most people's
Speaker 1: lived reality is check to check that the investor classes
Speaker 1: problem is like, what how do we unburden ourselves from
Speaker 1: all these trillions of dollars that came our way during
Speaker 1: the pandemic?
Speaker 2: Just that that that fucking metaphor. It's so it's just
Speaker 2: so wild, right because it's like you're like you're acknowledging
Speaker 2: a finite resource like money, and many people don't have it,
Speaker 2: and like you're likning it to like having like a
Speaker 2: kiddie pool of just like fucking water slashing everywhere while
Speaker 2: people are like dying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got money problems too, man, dude, it's slashing everywhere,
Speaker 1: the money problem.
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, like I get it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. And there's always like an
Speaker 1: industry person who's like, guys, that private companies buying up
Speaker 1: single family homes not a big deal, Like we're actually
Speaker 1: not that big of the industry, Like I barely matter.
Speaker 1: I suck, okay, like none of don't even you don't, Like,
Speaker 1: why are you even talking to me? I suck. There's
Speaker 1: nothing here, which is usually a bad sign when like
Speaker 1: an industry group just keeps trying to be like guys,
Speaker 1: I like I'm I'm shit, why are you you know?
Speaker 1: There's there's this is a non story, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seems like when you talk to like the
Speaker 1: New York Times article from spring of last year was
Speaker 1: just looking at an individual I think it was Charlotte
Speaker 1: real estate market and it's just when it and I
Speaker 1: found this to be true anybody who is thinking about
Speaker 1: like trying to buy a home or you know, like
Speaker 1: this is the number one thing they mentioned now is
Speaker 1: that like you are going to get scooped by some company,
Speaker 1: Like they talk to this woman who is trying to
Speaker 1: buy a single family home in Charlotte instead forced to
Speaker 1: downsize from a rental home to an apartment, and you know,
Speaker 1: the the car that or the home that she wants
Speaker 1: to buy is bought my tricon Residential who owns sixteen
Speaker 1: hundred homes.
Speaker 3: And yeah, this got me thinking about a kind of
Speaker 3: bigger sort of story I feel like in my life
Speaker 3: and I'm curious how you think about kind of home
Speaker 3: ownership and how I've thought about it, you know, because
Speaker 3: I do think like I'm of a generation where I
Speaker 3: did push back or you know kind of there was
Speaker 3: a car I thought a really important conversation about like,
Speaker 3: well is home ownership the sort of goal, you know,
Speaker 3: and our parents that was the thing for our parents coming,
Speaker 3: you know. And I was like to buy a home
Speaker 3: and effort. That is the American dream. And I, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I became convinced and I kind of probably
Speaker 3: spouted language along these lines of like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: that's not the fit for everyone, you know, and maybe
Speaker 3: it's not the fit for me. And I wonder if
Speaker 3: we were kind of sold, well, we were kind of
Speaker 3: being sold to that idea. They're like, no, it's not
Speaker 3: you know, it's not ye it's the American dream anymore.
Speaker 3: There's other ways in the mean time, you know, that
Speaker 3: option was just being ripped off the table to begin with,
Speaker 3: and that I think is the real sort of tragedy here.
Speaker 3: It's just it's not just that, like everyone should own
Speaker 3: a home and that is the most you know, that
Speaker 3: is still the sort of definition of the American dream.
Speaker 3: But just the lack of options and and everyone I know,
Speaker 3: you know, and all the people in the reporting here,
Speaker 3: the pervading feeling is just constriction, you know, and the
Speaker 3: inability to even make a choice and have agency and
Speaker 3: sort of figure out what's best for yourself. And I
Speaker 3: think that's like, you know, that's incredibly tragic. And I
Speaker 3: will say, like, you know, this may be taking us
Speaker 3: a little bit of far afield, but I will say, like,
Speaker 3: when I think about this kind of big conversation that's happening,
Speaker 3: and it will only build going into next year about
Speaker 3: the disconnect between people's economic feelings and the actual economic
Speaker 3: indicators that are out there. And you know, binding has
Speaker 3: built a pretty good economy, but people still think the
Speaker 3: economy is terrible. Yeah, housing is the answer to me, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can look at every other you know, metric about
Speaker 3: wage growth and inflation going down and all these other things.
Speaker 3: But if you just like can't get from here to there,
Speaker 3: if you want to own a home, like I don't
Speaker 3: think any of those other metrics matten or if you
Speaker 3: feel like that's like a big part of it, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on the verge of not making rent like that.
Speaker 1: Then Yeah. Homelessness is like, you know, something that hangs
Speaker 1: over a lot of people who are still might show
Speaker 1: up on that as like employed, and you know, but
Speaker 1: being employed and the precarity of like being in a
Speaker 1: gig economy, you know, role is like that's not a
Speaker 1: comfortable place to be and a lot of these things
Speaker 1: are things that have just changed generation to generation.
Speaker 3: You know, you know it does it does tie into
Speaker 3: that sort of gig economy overall, like gig ification of
Speaker 3: our lives that like oh yeah, you know yeah, if
Speaker 3: you're under forty, like the way you want to live
Speaker 3: your life is just like improvising every day, you know,
Speaker 3: like just move around and your rent and you figured
Speaker 3: this out, You figured this out, you have a five.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, stability well, and I think like the
Speaker 1: cop what what happened to the cop conference is.
Speaker 3: A I think you're gonna say a cop on the slide?
Speaker 1: Slide happened to the US economy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: What like that would be a good time hopping in there,
Speaker 2: and it just fucked us up. On the other end, well, you.
Speaker 1: Have corporations and like private equity companies as like the
Speaker 1: major decision makers and like designers of an entire civilization
Speaker 1: for for decades, which it seems like we've had for
Speaker 1: for a while now, and like really being the power
Speaker 1: that politicians have to you know, push back against and
Speaker 1: often like listen to like this is kind of what
Speaker 1: you end up with where it's just like their flexibility
Speaker 1: is the thing that ends up being you know, unshakable
Speaker 1: and not like people's security at the end of the
Speaker 1: day and feeling secure. So it just feels like any
Speaker 1: anywhere where where they have fully where like massive corporations
Speaker 1: or private equity or you know, the people who view
Speaker 1: money as a problem in the sense that they what
Speaker 1: to do with all this money being the problem that
Speaker 1: they're trying to solve, Like when those are the only
Speaker 1: people making the decisions, like you end up with subtle
Speaker 1: fissures in like day to day life of people who
Speaker 1: aren't making those decisions that don't don't look great, don't
Speaker 1: feel great. And you know, there's a Senate bill that
Speaker 1: would close legal, tax and regulatory loopholes that allow private
Speaker 1: equity firms to capture all the rewards of the investments
Speaker 1: in real estate while insulating them from risk. And it
Speaker 1: has sat in committees since Elizabeth Warren and Sharrod Brown
Speaker 1: introduced it in October of last year. So it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: There's like, yeah, I think Rocana also has a bill
Speaker 2: about banning corporate landlords because like when you look at it,
Speaker 2: I mean, this problem is only increasing and you know,
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos just put like a ton of money into
Speaker 2: this like new company. This is like an investment company
Speaker 2: called Arrived that basically allows people to like like become
Speaker 2: sort of small time landlords. It's like, well you can
Speaker 2: get you can own a property for as little as
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars by like crowd crowd fucking people like that.
Speaker 2: And that's sort of like this new like we're just
Speaker 2: seeing all these entry points to sort of either because
Speaker 2: I see something like this a lot of people that
Speaker 2: are defending this company, It's like, well, they're not like
Speaker 2: one of these institutional corporate landlords like Invitation Homes that
Speaker 2: owns eighty thousand single family rental homes or like Blackstone.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is actually allowing people just a way
Speaker 2: to have that kind of security or those aspirations in
Speaker 2: a way that's realistic for them. And really it's just
Speaker 2: more like they're being like you could be a landlord, dude,
Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna live here, but you can you
Speaker 2: can fucking maybe profit off of this situation.
Speaker 1: They're not a Blackstone, more of a gray Stone, which
Speaker 1: is also a massive corporate create.
Speaker 3: How many colors are left white?
Speaker 2: Brownstone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Brownstone, all right, well let's uh, let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back and talk about less
Speaker 1: less depressing things. Maybe we'll see maybe maybe we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. And first of all, just
Speaker 1: big news. George Santos is on cameo, So get your
Speaker 1: get your wallets ready, get your wallets out, folks. Two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per video, and offers options such as holiday
Speaker 1: birthday gossip, pep talk, roast advice, another.
Speaker 2: Oh man, let's get like you can pay him to
Speaker 2: like tell like confidential ship or something.
Speaker 1: You want to know the sea of stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: how do I get the gossip on what my neighbor's
Speaker 1: Social Security number is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on with the Pacific Fleet? Right now?
Speaker 2: You can give that tea.
Speaker 1: And then John Fetterman used it to tuch shit at
Speaker 1: Bob Menendez. So that's a little gossip.
Speaker 2: That's t It's just also we just found out Bob Menendez,
Speaker 2: like those gold bars that he got paid when we
Speaker 2: talked about how he was taking like he was literally
Speaker 2: taking literal gold bars, they were from some robbery from
Speaker 2: ten years ago.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: Like they connected robbery that somehow. Yeah, they're like, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: so that senator has it and then you have. It's
Speaker 2: just like it's funny. A lot of people are like, wow,
Speaker 2: John Fetterman paid George Santos to like troll Bob Menendez.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I don't know, like the Fetterman things
Speaker 2: are to really wear thin where I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: get you were very savvy on social media when you
Speaker 2: were just dunking on doctor Oz during the campaign, and
Speaker 2: now like I'm just like just from the the like
Speaker 2: the jingoistic stuff like that he's been doing with like
Speaker 2: Israel's like wrapping himself in a flag and stuff and
Speaker 2: being like there was no means will like the civilian
Speaker 2: death stop. And now he's like and I also gave
Speaker 2: George Santo's campaign money out your pockets, yeah, to like
Speaker 2: own Bob Menendez. Like none of it is.
Speaker 3: Just like now this, I mean this, I'm like this
Speaker 3: makes me want to scream, Like this is just so
Speaker 3: depressing and like, yeah, the Federman thing and the Santos
Speaker 3: thing and the enabling of Santos, I mean obviously the
Speaker 3: enabling of Santos up until this point also makes me
Speaker 3: want to scream I just think it's just like incredible
Speaker 3: that they didn't find a way. You know, I think
Speaker 3: you can you can measure a lot by sort of
Speaker 3: what are people willing to put up with? And I
Speaker 3: think like that's a really good way to look at
Speaker 3: the modern Republican Party is like where is the line
Speaker 3: for you know, not that's the like not what not
Speaker 3: what's become acceptable? But where has the line for what's unacceptable?
Speaker 2: Move to? Uh?
Speaker 3: And you know the fact that this wasn't on the
Speaker 3: on that side of the line until very recently, but yeah,
Speaker 3: this cameo thing, it's like it's so well, it's embarrassing
Speaker 3: and it's like so unserious and it is I think,
Speaker 3: like really like a culmination of a really corrosive thing
Speaker 3: of just like what like we think everything is reality TV.
Speaker 3: We think everything is like an ironic game, and it's like,
Speaker 3: what the what are we doing?
Speaker 2: People? Like it's really really.
Speaker 3: Frustrating, And the fact that like anostensibly serious democrat is
Speaker 3: like playing that game, It's just like, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about it. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to decide which of the two presidential candidates who
Speaker 1: have laser eyes e mojis I should vote for yeah, right,
Speaker 1: But we're a very serious political nation.
Speaker 2: I mean I want dark Brandon. It's not a guy
Speaker 2: you know, you know it is.
Speaker 3: I mean this is where Santo's probably should have been
Speaker 3: all along, right, I mean he like that's That's another
Speaker 3: part of this story too, is like the fact that
Speaker 3: people whose destiny was d level celebrity selling videos for
Speaker 3: two hundred dollars on cameo, the fact that they see
Speaker 3: politics as their path to that, like it's a perfectly
Speaker 3: reasonable place to end up. Great, you know, Ted Cruz,
Speaker 3: like Ted Cruse right now wants to be a podcast host.
Speaker 3: That's clearly wants what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: He should just.
Speaker 3: Leave politics and be a podcast host. And the fact
Speaker 3: that people still think it's reasonable to stay in politics,
Speaker 3: so they think it's all part of the same game, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the that is the core of the
Speaker 3: problem right now.
Speaker 1: And my call letters are kiss my ass? Oh those
Speaker 1: aren't letters, man? Those what where my cruisers at?
Speaker 2: Y'all out there? Let me hear you one time? All right? Cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like with Santos we're seeing like
Speaker 1: the death of a politician and the birth of a
Speaker 1: reality TV celebrity whose name I wouldn't otherwise have known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but well he's you know, he's following the playbook,
Speaker 2: Like how all people who get into sponsored content from
Speaker 2: a reality show, you know, like you you make a
Speaker 2: big scene, people like oh, who's that on that show?
Speaker 2: Then you get off and then you can start doing
Speaker 2: some spawn con on the Instagram. Although I don't know
Speaker 2: to the label.
Speaker 3: The point it's the reality TV show play, but not
Speaker 3: the fucking politics play.
Speaker 1: But it's completely Donald Trump, like it's the reality it's both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not to mention that just like, gosh, some of
Speaker 3: the stuff he's actually accused of doing. It's not just like,
Speaker 3: oh what I'm like lovable grifter, like some really awful
Speaker 3: shit stealing from fucking cancer. But then there's like some
Speaker 3: shit about a dog, like it's just really it should
Speaker 3: just be beyond.
Speaker 2: The different way.
Speaker 1: Hasn't stolen from cancer, It.
Speaker 2: Wasn't done a fundraiser for a dog, and then check
Speaker 2: all the money for yourself. You think I got Lambeau.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well yeah, all right, let's talk bass pro shops.
Speaker 1: So this came to our attention because Garth Brooks we
Speaker 1: for some reason we like to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks. He's the best selling artist in American pop
Speaker 1: music history, which I think flies under the radar a
Speaker 1: little bit. He has a new album, but it's only
Speaker 1: available to buy in bass pro shops and the hell yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a weird. I think he was
Speaker 1: like trying to do like it has no digital footprint.
Speaker 1: There are like no reviews from professional critics, possibly because
Speaker 1: it's only available at bass pro shops. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't really get it online. It's it's weird.
Speaker 2: Is it an album if it only comes out at
Speaker 2: pass pro shops. It's kind of I think where we're
Speaker 2: at philosophically, because they're like, I don't know how stick
Speaker 2: it's only there no no review copies for anybody. You
Speaker 2: think it's just a bad album, Like it's a in
Speaker 2: like intentional He's like, yeah, let's just release it at
Speaker 2: bess pro shops.
Speaker 1: It's like the Wu Tang album that they only sold
Speaker 1: to Martin Screley, but just you know, with a couple
Speaker 1: thousand copies and stuff, just the one.
Speaker 3: I know, I know this is a different era, but
Speaker 3: are you familiar with the two thousand and seven Joni
Speaker 3: Mitchell album Shine. Are you familiar with the two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight Carly Simon album This Kind of Love? No,
Speaker 3: those albums were put out on a record label, Conquered
Speaker 3: Music Group that was co founded by Starbucks, and you
Speaker 3: can only buy those CDs in Starbucks and Starbucks. This
Speaker 3: isn't totally different from something that has happened in the past.
Speaker 3: I know we're living in the digital music era, but
Speaker 3: you know, there are This has long been the case
Speaker 3: where you can kind of like find particular music or
Speaker 3: culture in particular stores, and people have done specific releases,
Speaker 3: you know, and so big chains have started record labels before.
Speaker 3: It's a little weird in the digital era where like,
Speaker 3: I mean, Starbucks shuttered its record thing as soon as
Speaker 3: the Internet took But I think.
Speaker 1: It's more interesting from the perspective, not like from Garth
Speaker 1: what you do, Oha man, and more from the perspective
Speaker 1: of like what does this corporation see themselves as? And
Speaker 1: in the case of Starbucks, it was misguided that they
Speaker 1: were like Starbucks is really like more of a vibe.
Speaker 1: It's more of like.
Speaker 3: A although I mean it really happened, I mean it
Speaker 3: was a powerful cultural force for a while. I mean
Speaker 3: there's like a whole sort of generation of bands that like, yeah,
Speaker 3: just you knows we're Starbucks bands, and like that phenomenon
Speaker 3: of like hearing something in Starbucks and then seeing that
Speaker 3: the album was right there to purchase next to the store.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and I think that's like part
Speaker 3: of a story. I mean, Starbucks clearly wanted this to happen.
Speaker 3: I think press Prostrps clearly wants this to happen. But
Speaker 3: you know that that the brand and the store become
Speaker 3: a sort of cultural space more than just a place
Speaker 3: where you go to buy stuff. And yeah, that's clearly
Speaker 3: what's happening here.
Speaker 2: And then I just but it's just interesting when you
Speaker 2: see an artist make a decision like that where it's like, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like to sell albums. But then you're like, you know,
Speaker 2: this isn't the best way to achieve like ubiquity for
Speaker 2: this album, right, is to just put physical copies in
Speaker 2: this one store. So that's I'm like, I'm always curious
Speaker 2: what the economic of it are for them to be like,
Speaker 2: they're actually paying me a lot of money up front, yeah,
Speaker 2: to do I wonder, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, But also, I mean I do wonder how much
Speaker 3: it is that like you're not going to be making
Speaker 3: You don't make music by selling actual music anymore anyway.
Speaker 3: So it's like if this is if there's some big
Speaker 3: endorsement deal here where he gets a bag for that,
Speaker 3: and then he goes makes this money the way that
Speaker 3: you can kind of actually make money in music these days,
Speaker 3: which is a huge tour.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, you know.
Speaker 3: And then now so I suspect he has some he's
Speaker 3: got some people with some spreadsheets in his camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the right way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he I mean, he's done this before with targeting
Speaker 1: and Walmart. But Bess, pro shops are kind of so
Speaker 1: have you company. I've never been inside.
Speaker 3: I've been there.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, it's wild. I was like, there's a fucking
Speaker 2: you could test drive a boat in the boat, like.
Speaker 3: You can test. You know, I grew up fishing. I
Speaker 3: went to a lot of Best Pro shops and like,
Speaker 3: you know, you can test. You could test all your
Speaker 3: reels there and they have ponds and then you know,
Speaker 3: it's it is a real like amusement park slash, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: cultural space slash. You know, they're trying to sell you
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff too, including a bunch of guns,
Speaker 3: which is probably the major.
Speaker 1: Seller of guns, and they are among the only they
Speaker 1: are the biggest seller of guns that just refuse to
Speaker 1: implement any restrictions in the wake of Marjorie Stoneman shooting
Speaker 1: and Sandy Hook and you know, just kept selling assault
Speaker 1: rifles even after personal appeals from Sandy Hook families and
Speaker 1: then pass Pro shops are a longtime partner of the NRA.
Speaker 1: One of their stores even houses a NRA gun museum,
Speaker 1: and they sell NRA t shirts featuring, say, a picture
Speaker 1: of a handgun with a Constitution engraved on the barrel.
Speaker 1: One Arkansas store made headlines for selling a rifle that
Speaker 1: celebrated the tail trail of tears massacre like that on
Speaker 1: the box.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're about the we're like for hunters man
Speaker 2: in that whole thing. Celebrate the trail of tears of this.
Speaker 1: It has like people on horses with the rifle that
Speaker 1: you're buying with, you know, Native Americans walking.
Speaker 3: All right, here's a here's a quiz for the two
Speaker 3: of you at the NRA National Sporting Arms Museum at
Speaker 3: the Springfield, Missouri Brass Post shops. There is an exhibit
Speaker 3: called the Hollywood Collection, and it features guns used and
Speaker 3: owned by at least four Hollywood celebrities. Okays are on display. No,
Speaker 3: not Charltons. That is surprising, but no not I think.
Speaker 1: The first one.
Speaker 3: No, Clint Eastwood, Yes, Clinta is the first one. And
Speaker 3: the second one is probably pretty obvious too.
Speaker 1: None of the action heroes like a hero.
Speaker 3: Nope, No, it's in that Clinton, It's in that Clint Yep.
Speaker 3: John Wayne is the second person listed. The third one
Speaker 3: is a current bo I would say, not known for guns,
Speaker 3: maybe known for other more swashbuckling forms of violence, camp
Speaker 3: be violence in his movies.
Speaker 1: Oh, Johnny Depp.
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp really And the fourth selection.
Speaker 1: Johnny should have guns personal safety and others well, like
Speaker 1: like flintlock pistols and shit like.
Speaker 3: His guns be taken and be put in the museum
Speaker 3: at the Springfield Very Presto shop. And then the fourth
Speaker 3: one is Tom Selleck. So see Tom Selek's gun.
Speaker 1: I guess name was Magnum. For God's sake, there you go.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised to learn that Bass Pro Shops
Speaker 1: empire was largely paid for by taxpayers, so they routinely
Speaker 1: build giant stores using government subsidies promising economic benefits such
Speaker 1: as jobs, and the jobs disproportionately go to white people.
Speaker 1: As a twenty eleven Equal Employment Opportunity Commission lawsuit alleged
Speaker 1: the fishing and hunting gear supplier knowingly and systematically discriminated
Speaker 1: against Hispanic and Black applicants and hiring, and some of
Speaker 1: its managers used racial slurs. One manager of Houston air
Speaker 1: are A store told his human resource manager that quote,
Speaker 1: it's getting a little dark in here. You need to
Speaker 1: hire some white people.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 3: So and an investigation like a euphemism in the first
Speaker 3: half of that, they're quickly judge, and then he follows it.
Speaker 1: Up with people, I'm not known for my subtlety.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But an investigation in twenty twelve found that two point
Speaker 1: two billion in taxpayer money went to Bass pro Shops
Speaker 1: and Kabela's, which is Bass pro Shops bought in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen in the preceding fifteen years, noting the best pro
Speaker 1: Shops often pays comparably little towards the construction of its
Speaker 1: own stores, and their argument is that their business should
Speaker 1: be viewed as a public amenity like a park, or
Speaker 1: a library or a museum. Yeah, these aren't just stores,
Speaker 1: these are natural history museums. Well with their CEOs.
Speaker 2: People who would agree with you are currently trying to
Speaker 2: destroy libraries also, So we're gonna have to find common
Speaker 2: ground here.
Speaker 1: Why do you need libraries when you have quote, gun libraries,
Speaker 1: which is what they call some of their like gun
Speaker 1: collections that act as legal justification to qualify as museums
Speaker 1: and therefore access public funds.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's like some Trump ship where it's like,
Speaker 2: put a museum called the museum, get that one gun
Speaker 2: from die Hard, and now you can get subsidies because
Speaker 2: it's the fucking museum.
Speaker 1: That's the sweatshirt where it says, ho ho ho, Now
Speaker 1: I have a machine gun. So there's your reading material, asshole.
Speaker 3: The featured book on the Bass Pro Shops book page
Speaker 3: on their website is The Man I Knew, The Amazing
Speaker 3: Story of George H. W. Bush's post presidency.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 1: Written by who the Man I Knew?
Speaker 3: Gene Becker.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if it was his mistress, because he
Speaker 1: famously had like a long time, long time affair, like
Speaker 1: somebody who is basically his chief his life yeah, oh okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. It seems like they've historically
Speaker 1: acted pretty much like a con artist would, praying on
Speaker 1: communities that need money by making you know, lofty promises
Speaker 1: to help troubled economies. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania literally played seven million
Speaker 1: dollars in subsidies while they were four hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: seven million dollars in debt and literally sold off schools
Speaker 1: to make that investment.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is funny how Walmart is, like, you know,
Speaker 3: receive so much the ire around this kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, gun sales and the sort of
Speaker 3: extractive nature of you know, the subsidies they get and
Speaker 3: the wages they pay and so forth, and how they
Speaker 3: you know, eat up small businesses, and you know, I
Speaker 3: guess I don't have a sense of scale. I imagine
Speaker 3: Walmart is considerably bigger than the best pro shops. But
Speaker 3: it is funny that that there isn't that kind of
Speaker 3: conversation about best.
Speaker 1: Pro shops is like a comer.
Speaker 2: It's like on the on the growth path.
Speaker 1: And like a lot of times I talk about like
Speaker 1: the singularity, the thing that everyone's afraid of, where this
Speaker 1: like HyperIntelligence that becomes undefeatable and insinuates itself into our lives,
Speaker 1: like is already here and it is just hyper capitalism
Speaker 1: and like you know, Walmart figures out this amazing way
Speaker 1: to exploit taxpayers and like get everywhere. It's not like
Speaker 1: Bass Pro Shop is not learning from that and going
Speaker 1: to like take every single you know, learning that they
Speaker 1: possibly can to keep to keep growing and doing the
Speaker 1: same thing. So that's yeah, it's uh, we got to.
Speaker 2: Find a way. We got to find a way to
Speaker 2: get like on this Bass Pro Shop subsidies.
Speaker 1: Wave, you know what I meaneah, like National Service.
Speaker 2: I'm almost like I would love to like how are
Speaker 2: they able to do it so well like that to
Speaker 2: be like like it's like a football stadium or some shit.
Speaker 2: It's like on that level because it's like football. It's like, right, no,
Speaker 2: I get that, Yeah, Cartoon America Americana. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: wonder who, like because clearly like there are many people
Speaker 2: who have connections with their lobbying efforts or whatever, and
Speaker 2: I'm I really want to see, like who are the
Speaker 2: people that are really helping because you know, like when
Speaker 2: you see it like subsidies like this, there's always like
Speaker 2: a couple senators or congress people who are like always
Speaker 2: like sticking up for that kind of shit I saw
Speaker 2: when I was lobbying. How like they were like three
Speaker 2: senators who we knew like would have the industries back
Speaker 2: for certain things. So I'm curious who, like the real
Speaker 2: people are who are like you know, BPS, dude, I
Speaker 2: got your back no matter what. The subsidies will keep
Speaker 2: flooding because look, it's a museum, it is a library.
Speaker 2: It is a place for us to do better, to
Speaker 2: improve ourselves and not and also discriminate against, you know,
Speaker 2: people who would like to work here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I throw something on your list for future
Speaker 3: things to dig into?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Dollar General. You know that Dollar General has more than
Speaker 3: four times as many stores in the US as Walmart. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like a force, and it's the same thing. It's
Speaker 3: extractive and low wages, and the CEO of Dollar General
Speaker 3: has actually bragged that he can like shutter a store
Speaker 3: and move out of a town in twenty four hours. Uh,
Speaker 3: I mean it is just incredible, So yeah, worth worth
Speaker 3: a dig into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, like also says a lot
Speaker 2: about like, you know, how a lot of these industries
Speaker 2: look at consumers and like where they're at and being
Speaker 2: like yeah, and we can just kind of keep keep
Speaker 2: the accelerator down on that, on that movement.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the economy is thriving, so no one's going to
Speaker 1: have to shop at a Dollar General. That place is
Speaker 1: on its way out. Jody, what a pleasure of having
Speaker 1: you as always?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you? All that good stuff?
Speaker 3: Allow me to utter the four greatest words in the
Speaker 3: English language. Yes, follow me on threads. Threads, I'm making
Speaker 3: it happen, like it, I'm making it happen now. No,
Speaker 3: I've been over there for a while and then I
Speaker 3: kind of like dilly dallied and I've just I don't
Speaker 3: know whatever I mean. I'm I'm I'm trying very complicated
Speaker 3: feeling is obviously about Twitter whatever, but I'm trying to
Speaker 3: post more on threads and it does make me feel
Speaker 3: slightly better. Yeah, so you know, follow me there, but
Speaker 3: uh yeah, listen to the Puzzler.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: I really like making the show. It's like a daily
Speaker 3: shorts from iHeart so, but you know, it's it's like
Speaker 3: five eight minutes a day. It's very fun. I think
Speaker 3: you guys sometimes, So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I was like listening to a couple episodes, and it's
Speaker 2: funny how sometimes I think this happens to anyone listening
Speaker 2: to a podcast where like any kind of trivia or
Speaker 2: something is being asked and you know the answer before
Speaker 2: the person on the show. Do you like that? Do
Speaker 2: you like? So?
Speaker 3: This is something we've talked about a lot making the show.
Speaker 2: You know, do you do? You?
Speaker 3: Do you like those moments? Are they frustrating to you?
Speaker 3: This question of whether you know we want it so
Speaker 3: that the audience knows before the guests or a vice versa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's some that are like actually into
Speaker 2: like like obviously really good questions that I didn't like,
Speaker 2: couldn't answer at all. But the ones that I knew,
Speaker 2: I'm less like, I don't know that doesn't that's not
Speaker 2: necessarily aggravating. I think it's more for like my ego
Speaker 2: to be like, I know this, come.
Speaker 3: On, I think that's what we found, you know. And
Speaker 3: I and I used to write the like year end
Speaker 3: news quiz on the Brian Lehir Show, which is like
Speaker 3: the big you know call in show here in New
Speaker 3: York at w M i C. And like the thing
Speaker 3: I learned there was like you can't make it too
Speaker 3: easy because people people like to get stuff right and
Speaker 3: people listening like to know stuff and like it's actually
Speaker 3: and it's also like pretty crappy radio to like hear
Speaker 3: someone struggle and so you know, not that the puzzler
Speaker 3: isn't like stimulating and engaging, but we've tried to find
Speaker 3: that sweet spot and generally our default is kind of
Speaker 3: like if the audience at home gets it before the guests,
Speaker 3: that's a really good dynamic.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, clearly you've gone with that dynamic
Speaker 1: because you've asked us to come.
Speaker 3: On and be like no, yeah, I mean now we've
Speaker 3: basically we're the biggest idiots we're convienced to.
Speaker 2: Come on this show.
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about the phrase dull boy?
Speaker 2: Golly really geez, got it all over my shirt?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm real.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm eating a burrito, tackle bell I get it
Speaker 1: extra chrispy. Yeah, all right, amazing. Is there a work
Speaker 1: of media that you've been enjoying, Jodie.
Speaker 3: I really like that show The Rest Is History. If
Speaker 3: you listen to that show, it's these two British historians
Speaker 3: and they just do big, deep dives but I mean,
Speaker 3: I just find myself listening to that more than any
Speaker 3: other show. And they're very funny and they know their stuff,
Speaker 3: and they do these big multi part series. And they're
Speaker 3: doing one Ratty right now about the JFK assassination, which
Speaker 3: is super deep and which is heavy. But the rest
Speaker 3: is history is history. The rest is history. Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: which guy, Now you have my attention, and this is.
Speaker 2: This is heavy.
Speaker 3: But but the thing that hooked me on them, and
Speaker 3: I think is like really stunning, is they did a
Speaker 3: multi part series about the rise of Hitler, the Rise
Speaker 3: of the Nazis, and it, like, you know, it's one
Speaker 3: of those stories that I've engaged with so many different
Speaker 3: over and over and in so many different ways, and
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like I kind of really understood that
Speaker 3: dynamics until I listened to this. So you know, I
Speaker 3: would highly recommend that. So got the rest is history,
Speaker 3: but just dive in. They do all these you know,
Speaker 3: they do all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm so in tes by that we might have to
Speaker 1: cut that recommendation because nobody's going to listen to our
Speaker 1: podcast now. Excitingly amazing miles mm hmm. Where can people
Speaker 1: find you as their work media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me on you know, the at based places,
Speaker 2: including Threads, at Miles of Gray, Find Jack and I
Speaker 2: on our basketball podcast Miles and jackob Back, and also
Speaker 2: what else, what else? Find me on four twenty day Fiance.
Speaker 2: We're talk about ninety day fiance with Sophia Alexandra. Let's
Speaker 2: see a tweet. I like, this is something actually I
Speaker 2: forgot was a thing. But at morning Gloria Aaron Ryan
Speaker 2: shared this this Daily Beast article which maybe she wrote,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it said, time for my aie. It is
Speaker 2: actually time for my annual sharing of the most important
Speaker 2: home alone theory and possibly the apex of my writing
Speaker 2: career and home alone. What if Kevin McAllister is dead
Speaker 2: the whole time? Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, weavy, but he's in ghost wandering around that house.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do his parents know he's dead or they're gonna come
Speaker 1: back and hat?
Speaker 2: But he hated his family too, Like what's good? There's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so he's already dead, oh the whole time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Jack, you gotta read this is how this is how
Speaker 2: chum the waters. So you can check out Aaron Ryan's Wait,
Speaker 2: does she go on there? Does she just positive the
Speaker 2: whole thing? It's the piece is called home alone? Is
Speaker 2: so much better if Kevin McCall's it's a piece.
Speaker 3: I see. I thought it was just a profit.
Speaker 2: Let me just throw that out there. And I've heard
Speaker 2: like people say this before in years past, Like I like,
Speaker 2: it felt like some peak college stone. She's like, du
Speaker 2: you know, like he's dead, right, But yeah, this is.
Speaker 3: The question is could you basically do that for every movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So could you just take that theory and PLoP it
Speaker 3: onto any movie?
Speaker 2: And yeah, probably every movie?
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, I have this theory. What if Bruce Willis
Speaker 1: is dead in the sixth sense?
Speaker 2: There you go, think about that.
Speaker 1: Blow your mind.
Speaker 3: This is a good podcast idea, just like just a
Speaker 3: movie review podcast where we just talk about it. But
Speaker 3: the main character's dead, right exactly.
Speaker 2: The Godfather, You're like, dude.
Speaker 1: Doesn't even make sense, Shut up, it does.
Speaker 2: He's fucking dead time. It's actually spooky. Now on the
Speaker 2: day of his daughter's wedding, why do they go to him?
Speaker 2: Because he have that kid man.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: Some tweets I've been enjoined. Speaking of home alone, Young
Speaker 1: Chomsky has the picture of Kevin talking to his neighbor
Speaker 1: the snowshovel killer, and his neighbor's saying, my son won't
Speaker 1: speak to me, he's too woke. And then Scott Hagley tweeted,
Speaker 1: you know, if they just introduced seatbelts now, conservatives would
Speaker 1: be so mad and just a good point. They would
Speaker 1: not be wearing those shits.
Speaker 3: They would be oh well, there's act footage of that
Speaker 3: floating around when they mandated seatbelts, and you have people
Speaker 3: saying the exact same language that they were saying around COVID.
Speaker 3: You know, like government tell me what to do. I
Speaker 3: can trust you know, I trust myself. And there's one
Speaker 3: you know, it's in It's like it's.
Speaker 2: Incredible say with like drinking and driving, Like if I
Speaker 2: want to have a beer rap work and you're like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm driving home from work.
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Speaker 2: This is a track from a German English new jazz vocalist.
Speaker 2: I believe U. Let me make sure I have the
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Speaker 2: just a dope kind of new jazz. I'm like interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: all the music apps that I use it like you
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Speaker 2: Here are some new artists for you to check out.
Speaker 2: And this one actually I liked a lot. So this
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