1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Total Group, Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shaddrick 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: bring you the latest go on your Jacksonville. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: Jaguars Huddle Up starts right now and welcome in. It's 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: a bye week edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. Wednesday, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: November twentieth, JP Shadrick, John Oser, and of course Bucky Brooks. 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: The week twelve bye is upon us. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: We'll have the aftermath of Week eleven, Ryons fifty two, 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: Jaguars six, and an early look ahead at what to 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: expect in the stretch run after the bye week, six games. 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: To go in the regular year for the Jacksonville Jaguars. 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you by 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: Field's Auto Group, Jacksonville c Fields First, Jacksonville's premiere luxury 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: auto group. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: Go to Fieldsauto dot Com. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: The bye week It's upon us, Bucky, good afternoon, How 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: are you? 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 4: What's up? Guys? How are we doing? How's everything? 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: It's going as good as can be expected after a 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: beat down like that in Detroit in Motown in week 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: eleven fifty two to six, there were all those reports 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: pregame Bucky and then it's been quiet after the fact, 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: and it's now just moving forward and trying to patch 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: things up here in the bye week and then get 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: to the stretch run. That's you know, it's a disappointing 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: end to the pre bye week schedule. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: I'll say it that way. 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: That's for sure, Yes, the disappointing end. 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 5: And I feel like the report that came out probably 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 5: set everybody up to look for something to happen Sunday night, Monday, 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 5: even early Tuesday. 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: And you haven't seen anything happen. 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 5: And as distracting as it's been for fans and observers, 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 5: imagine the distraction that it's been for not only the players, 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 5: but what about the coaches, what about the people in 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 5: the building. You always know whenever you are in the 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: middle of a losing streak and you haven't had a 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 5: success that the team hasn't had in the last year, 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 5: you always know that things are going to come up. 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 5: But I would say just the volatile nature of the 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 5: report led you to believe something, and I think it 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 5: has had a negative impact on the team. Now that 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 5: doesn't excuse the performance that we saw on Sunday, but 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 5: you certainly feel like there's a black cloud hanging over 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: the team, and at some point you were like a 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 5: resolution one way or the other. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I guess I'm not shocked that nothing has happened, 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 6: because you're never he's've been doing this long enough to 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 6: never be shocked when the issue, when the question has changed, 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 6: when the question is what is an owner going to 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 6: or not? Do you just don't know because owners don't 53 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 6: usually talk. 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 7: About it a whole lot. 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 6: I think it would defy logic if if Shod wasn't 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 6: thinking about things. But what that means in terms of action, 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 6: h JP, You and I have been doing this together 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 6: for a long time. Yes, And I say with ownership changes, 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 6: don't think that you know what's going to happen because 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 6: it's up to one person. 61 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 7: That's so it leads to speculation stuff. 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 6: And then you know, there's no board, there's no you know. Uh, 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 6: it's not an election, it's what Shod decides. 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 7: Uh. 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 6: Timing details, action, Uh, we just don't know. 66 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: So Monday went along as scheduled, locker room was open 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: to the media, and then in the afternoon head coach 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: Doug Peterson visiting with the media. No changes, no changes 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: to the coaching staff either. 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: He explained why. 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 8: I think you gotta be really really careful when you 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 8: start pointing fingers at certain people. 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: It's a dangerous thing. 74 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 8: And I'm not gonna do that, not doing it, not 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 8: right now, because that's as a head coach in this 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 8: league that's going through what we're going through. You're you're 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 8: you're pointing a finger, and if it's going to be pointed, 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 8: it needs to be pointed at me to start with me. 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: Right. 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 9: So that's enough on that. 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: That's all I got to say about that. 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: And that's the head coach on Monday, Bucky, And all right, 83 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: that's that's saying. 84 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: It how it is. 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 5: That's how he believes that is in and it is and 86 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 5: and and meanwhile, JP, while we're going through the podcast, 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 5: I'm looking at my notes from the spring and the 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: summer and the optimism and all of the things that 89 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 5: we expected from the team. And Uh, the reason why 90 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 5: I'm looking at is because coach talked about, you know, 91 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: not finger pointing in those things, and I just remember 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: like the comments and talked about familiarity, UH, players signing 93 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 5: with Doug because they kind of knew what the program 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 5: was going to be, how hard they worked in the offseason, 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 5: the chemistry and attention to detail was there, and the 96 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: urgency and how they talked about how tough the camp 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 5: was and those things, and it's amazing when you have 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 5: all of that conversation. It really didn't take but a 99 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 5: half for a kind of unravel and I would say 100 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: the first half, I would say the first game of 101 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 5: the season, the Miami Dolphins game, where the team was 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 5: up and really about the open a can on the Dolphins. 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 5: Travisy Tenn is really on the on the verge of 104 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: scoring a touchdown fumbles, and from that moment on, the 105 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 5: season has absolutely spiral. 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: And I am surprised. 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: I'm surprised that it has kind of been that because 108 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 5: the team talked about the toughness and the resilience and 109 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 5: bouncing back from a disappointing fish finish to last season. 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 5: That this team is sitting at two to nine, and 111 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 5: I would say, based on the feeling down on the sideline, 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 5: it felt pretty bleak and hopeless. I just can't believe 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 5: that the team feels broken like it does based on 114 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 5: the optimism that everyone in the building had heading into 115 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: the season. 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I would say if if that causes this. 117 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 6: Then you weren't very good to begin with, ye meaning, 118 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, if there's been plenty of seasons 119 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 6: start off with a loss. I mean, you know, my 120 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 6: favorite team growing up was the Washington team eighty three. 121 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 7: They lost to Dallas week. 122 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 6: One, and I'm going way way back, but it was 123 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 6: devastating and it went fourteen to two. One of the 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 6: best cold teams I covered lost to New England on 125 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 6: a Thursday night in heartbreaking fashion, won the division at 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 6: twelve and four, and Peyton through forty nine touchdowns. I mean, 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 6: it's it can't end like I mean, that can't end it, 128 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 6: and you Bucky's saying. I'm not saying what he said 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 6: is wrong because I think it's I give some truth 130 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 6: to it. But if that happened, you weren't mentally tough 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 6: enough to begin with. 132 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's reminded me a little bit of 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: the twenty twelve season. Right, first game of the season 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, Jaguars take the lead twenty seconds to go, 135 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: Gabert to Shorts touchdown, then they give up a fifty 136 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: five yard field goal lose it over time, and it 137 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: was pretty much all over. 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 6: Yeah it can't. I mean, and I do think there's 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 6: something too. I mean, they were going in if Travis scores, 140 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 6: I think they win that game. But to me, that's 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 6: more of a what this team is than something that 142 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 6: caused it. Meaning thank if you look back over three seasons, 143 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: this team's a team that there's codd some deficiencies, because 144 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 6: in every one of these seasons they've had a couple 145 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 6: of games where they just got blown out of the building. 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 6: I mean Detroit and not twenty two started it. They 147 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 6: were still building at that point. But last year in Tampa, 148 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 6: I mean, you'll forget that game, but that was pretty bad. 149 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: Oh it's horrible then. 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 6: And then in I mean ninety two and twenty three, 151 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 6: they they had the ability to win close games. They 152 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 6: won close games. At the end of twenty two they 153 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 6: won ed it. They started twenty three, there was there 154 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 6: was a little bit of a confidence. I've been trying 155 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 6: to figure this out, so I'm kind of thinking about it, 156 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 6: a little bit of a confidence there for some reason, 157 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 6: they could get over the humping close games this year. 158 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 6: That's the element that's been missing. 159 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: And. 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 7: Bucky's the football. Yeah, hey, Bucky, your name's on the show. 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: We got questions for you, Bucky. 162 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: I mean it felt like they I think in twenty 163 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: two and this is just me thinking, Bucky, correct me here, 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: but they had a defensive swagger about him. 165 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: At least in twenty twenty two. 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: They had guys in the back end that could make 167 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: plays in big moments, interception returns. You know, they had 168 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 2: a little more obviously a lot more life than they 169 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: have right now on the defensive side. 170 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: I think that might have had something to do with it. 171 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, because the one thing that they could do 172 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 5: the last two years prior to this year, they could 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: turn the ball over, and the turnovers would kind of 174 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 5: create a fees, a feeding frenzy. 175 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: When it came to the energy, changing the energy in. 176 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: The stadium, the offense would kind of pick up on 177 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 5: the energy and you would see this team overcomes some 178 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: slow starts because the defense would make a player two 179 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, it would spark like wildfire. 180 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 4: This year hasn't been the same thing. 181 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 5: And I mean, let's be honest, like the last three 182 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: years and the last two years in particular, we expected 183 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 5: the offense to be the part of the team that 184 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 5: would carry the team. The defense was supposed to be 185 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: the part that could close it out. We've since changed 186 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 5: our expectations where we expect the defense to carry the 187 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: weight when the offense has really been the unit that 188 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 5: is underperformed. The team is flawed, the team is not 189 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: playing well, the team lacks confidence. But it all goes 190 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 5: back to what John talked about, the mental toughness. So 191 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 5: the lack thereof has really shown through and has been 192 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 5: an issue because you don't finish the way that you 193 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 5: finish and you don't play or start the way this 194 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 5: season has started unless you lack a level of toughness 195 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 5: and grit and determination to get jobs done. 196 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: Let's come back in a moment and dig into the 197 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence future this season and beyond coming off a 198 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: left shoulder issue. 199 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: We're often running a tunnel up with Bucky Brooks. 200 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: I don't believe they're letting go of the road. 201 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 9: I don't. It is a good football team. 202 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 8: They are good, and they're gonna play for a long time. 203 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 8: I think this year, you know, I mean, that's that's 204 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 8: just without without question in the NFC. 205 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 9: I look at it and and. 206 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 8: Even visiting with guys today and seeing the guys today, 207 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 8: you know they are they're they're tired. It's it's been 208 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 8: you know, each week, each Monday, you know, we haven't 209 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 8: felt very good and that also weighs on it. 210 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,239 Speaker 9: You're going into the next week. 211 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson. Earlier this week the full press 212 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: conference at Jaguars dot com or the Jaguars YouTube channel. 213 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back to huddle up with Bucky Brooks. Get down 214 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: to the bank. Sunday, December first, when the Jaguars go 215 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: head to head with the division rival Houston Texans. 216 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: It's the My Cause, My Cleats game. Lock in your seats. 217 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: It's a one pm kickoff nine oh four six three 218 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: three two thousand, or visit Jaguars dot com slash tickets. 219 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: And yes, the Texans beat the Cowboys on Monday Night Football. 220 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: This week, JP Shadwick, John Osier and Bucky Brooks. As 221 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: we continue to huddle up on this bye week, Let's 222 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: get into this Jaguars offense. 223 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: And what are you laughing at? 224 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 4: Bucking Odo Man? 225 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 5: Like, I gotta say this because I think every Jags fan, 226 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: everybody who supports this team would be disgusted. 227 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: At the comment that Doug just made about the team 228 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: being tired. 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: I just think it's hard for civilians to really look 230 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: at pro athletes and say that, oh my god, they 231 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 5: lost a bunch of games in the row. 232 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 4: They're so tired, let's give them the week off. I 233 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: just think that's hard for a blue collar worker. 234 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 5: To identify with that, And if anything, it goes back 235 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 5: to what we're talking about the lack of toughness when 236 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 5: it comes to the team. 237 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: Yes, you lost some games. 238 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 5: In a row, but that should not impact your ability 239 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 5: to come to work and do your job. To me, 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 5: that's giving them a way out. Like we can talk 241 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 5: about the coaches, we can talk about the front office, 242 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 5: but at some point this also falls to the players. 243 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 5: And if they don't have the energy where they need 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 5: time off, or they just don't feel well and they're 245 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 5: down because they're getting their tails kicked, they ultimately determine 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 5: whether they get their tails kicked or not. 247 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 4: So I just don't understand why the coach would let 248 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: them off the hook. 249 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 5: I understand taking a bullet for your but hey man, 250 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 5: sometimes they got a walla wind, this muck, and for 251 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: them not to be on the practice field this week, 252 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: I just I don't know how you get better without practice. 253 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought the same thing Bucky when he said it. 254 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 6: I related to what he was saying, because Bucky, you 255 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 6: and I before a couple of games I've expressed to you, 256 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 6: I said, I wonder if this is the game where 257 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 6: that stamina we talked about, you know, I forget which 258 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 6: game it was, maybe Philly or you know, and I 259 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 6: thought it might catch up with him in Detroit where 260 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 6: they had that kind of a game, because the Lions 261 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 6: are the kind of team that can sort of take 262 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 6: that and really test it and then you can fall apart. Right, 263 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 6: But look, this is the widest margin of the total 264 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 6: yardage since what seventy nine? Yeah, there's been plenty of 265 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 6: tire teams in the NFL in the last what forty 266 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 6: five years? 267 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 7: So I don't know. I kind of agree with you. 268 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 6: Yes, I think they are a mentally tired team, and 269 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 6: I think this kind of a season can wear on you. 270 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 6: But it goes back to what we talked about at 271 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 6: the beginning of the show, right like, if if you 272 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 6: can't recover from that, if you can't push through this, 273 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 6: they're not very good. And that's sort of it feels 274 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 6: like maybe the same thing, and I'm not getting into 275 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 6: it very well, Bucky. 276 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: No, it is what you said. 277 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 5: Okay, So part of why you have a tough training camp, 278 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: because remember everyone talked about how tough training camp was, 279 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: like Trevor Lawrence, they talked about having the joint practices 280 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 5: with Tampa Tampa talking about how tough things are. We're 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 5: part of the reason why you put your team through 282 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 5: a tough camp is to prepare them for the tough 283 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 5: stretches of the season that are. 284 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: Inevidently going to come. And if they are not able 285 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: to push through the adversity. 286 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: Part of the season, how could they ever be a 287 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 5: championship type team. And so to me, it's flawed not 288 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 5: only in the building process, team building, camaraderie, building, whatever 289 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 5: you want to say, it's flawed in terms of the 290 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: type of people that you have because of the team 291 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 5: is not prideful enough to try and bounce back from 292 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: those moments and what kind of team do we have? 293 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 5: What kind of players are you bringing in if they 294 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 5: don't want to go. Ultimately, this is a very competitive 295 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 5: game and competitors have to show up, and so the 296 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 5: fact that the team is saying, oh, we're tired we 297 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 5: don't feel good, we're discouraged, we don't. It's just hard 298 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: for me to say, let them off the hook with that, 299 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: give them a week off and they're gonna bounce back, 300 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 5: and everything's gonna be magically fixed. 301 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: By the way, they didn't wear pads the second day 302 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: against the Bucks in practice, that was just the first day. 303 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 4: It's a lot of time. Yeah, it's just what it's crazy. 304 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 6: That's particularly good because look, but I don't I don't 305 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 6: be the old man here, but even tougher now are tough? Yeah, 306 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 6: I mean, and I'm not saying I could do it. 307 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 6: I'm saying within the context I'm fifty eight and I 308 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 6: could have don them as twenty four. But within the 309 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 6: context of professional football, come on. 310 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: It's look, man, it's it's apparently it's not tough. 311 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 5: And even if we talk about let's just say like 312 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 5: toughness just in the terms of like what the current 313 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 5: state is, right, the teams that are at the top 314 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 5: of the list, when we look at the teams that 315 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 5: are flourishing right now, the Detroit lines, we just saw 316 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: their identities built on toughness and physicality. We look at 317 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 5: the upstart La Charges, Jim Harbough came in, talked about toughness, 318 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 5: physicality the Pittsburgh Steelers, who may not I would say, 319 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 5: I don't know how talented the Pittsburgh Steelers are, but toughness, physicality, 320 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 5: all of that stuff. 321 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: There appears to be a trend that the teams are 322 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: successful in this. 323 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 5: Lead are tough, minded, grizzled, heartened teams were. We obviously 324 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: don't have that if we're unable to respond to a 325 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: little adversity. And so it's look, man, everyone is to 326 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 5: blame for that. Players, coaches, front office, everyone gets some 327 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 5: of that. But I'm saying from the players standpoint, you 328 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: just may not have the right composition to players in 329 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: the locker room if they can't bounce back from some 330 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 5: of these tough moments. 331 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's come back and we'll get into 332 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and what the futures are for him after 333 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: the bye week. A lot of the plate today during 334 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: a bye week at two and nine, that's what happens. 335 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: It's huddle up with Bucky. 336 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 9: Brook I'll say this, and I told the team this today. 337 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 9: I told to him after the game. 338 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 8: That the team that was out there yesterday that was 339 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 8: not us. That's not who we are, that's not who 340 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 8: we stand for. There's enough pride in that locker room, 341 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 8: enough pride on the coaching staff. 342 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 9: To whether we win, you know, whether we win the 343 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 9: game or not. 344 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 4: Right how we performed, it's not who we are. 345 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 9: It's not who we are. 346 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 8: It's not it's not how I coach, it's not how 347 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 8: we prepared during the week. It's not how the players 348 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 8: practice and what they put their bodies through. 349 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson earlier this week and welcome back, 350 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: AND's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. 351 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: If you want. 352 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: Customized Shaguars furniture for your home, check out zipchair dot 353 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: com and browse all customizable options zip Chair Furniture for 354 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: fans JP Shadrick John Osier from the Hondai Studios of 355 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: the Miller Electric Center. Bucky Brooks out in Los Angeles. 356 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: It's the bye week edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. 357 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence left shoulder injury, has missed the last two weeks, 358 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: and I guess we'll find out after the bye week, 359 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: maybe on Monday, probably later than that, if he is 360 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: getting a green light to go play, or if there 361 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 2: are bigger issues, Bucky. But this is where it gets interesting. 362 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: With the franchise quarterback making as much money as he 363 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: is for the next six years after this season, the 364 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: balance of long term hell to competing and playing if 365 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: he's healthy enough to play right now in a season 366 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: that is essentially lost. This is a big organizational decision 367 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: coming up. And I mean, we'll see how Trevor responds. 368 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: Maybe he comes back healthy, Bucky. 369 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: Who knows he shouldn't come back healthy? 370 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 5: I think, I mean he shouldn't play like I mean, 371 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 5: why tried him out there when, like you're not playing 372 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: for the postseason. 373 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: Why risk an injury to your franchise player. 374 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 5: And I understand the locker room, and I understand how 375 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 5: we want all. 376 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 4: Players to be created equal, But he's the quarterback. 377 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 5: He's your franchise quarterback, and you're locked in to him 378 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 5: at fifty five million annually for a long time. So 379 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 5: why not let him rest and rehab, allow him to 380 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 5: be fully healthy when it returns next offseason, whether it's 381 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 5: OTA's training camp or whatever. To have the opportunity to 382 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 5: put forth your best team in twenty twenty five. To me, like, 383 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 5: I don't know what benefits there are to try to 384 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: number sixteen out there. 385 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 4: If he has an injury that is going to require 386 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: more evaluation, more rehab recovered, Let's start it right now 387 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: so he can be ready to go next year. Let's 388 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: not prolong it. 389 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it depends a little to a degree 390 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 6: on the time frame, like if it needs surgery, if 391 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 6: it can get if he can get back by whatever 392 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 6: is April fifteenth, whenever that starts. There's part of me 393 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 6: I'd like to see Trevor play through that, because I'm sure, 394 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 6: knowing him, he wants to. But if it, as Bucky said, 395 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 6: if it does anything at all to if you think 396 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 6: you're unduly risking anything that affects that timeline or him 397 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: not being back raring to go as they say, then 398 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 6: I agree with you, And I guess I just don't 399 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 6: know because we don't have any firm knowledge of severity 400 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 6: and how much it'll affect potential return. To have the 401 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 6: facts make the statement, I agree, But if it affects 402 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 6: it at all, if the risk is higher than if 403 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 6: this wasn't going on, then I think he said. 404 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: Well, what's the reward if he you know, let's say 405 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: he's out there right and. 406 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 7: Well, he's still developing quarterback. 407 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: Okay, yes, and but how many of the weapons are 408 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: going to be around for the long term. Brian Thomas Jr. Right, 409 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: Evan Ingram is still under contract for another year or so. 410 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 6: Right, I would say this, he has to be healthy 411 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 6: enough to benefit from what he's doing right, Right, And 412 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 6: I guess what I mean Bucky is last year, in 413 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 6: the last six games when he played five, it didn't 414 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 6: feel like he was healthy enough to be improving at 415 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 6: that point or to be playing at his highest I 416 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 6: think he was healthy enough that they thought he was 417 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 6: a better option than the backup. And I think I'm 418 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 6: saying that verty well, but if he's just struggling through 419 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 6: to gut out a win, then I don't think you. 420 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 6: I absolutely don't think you're playing right. 421 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 422 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 5: Now, look, here's the thing, Like, after watching two games 423 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 5: of the offense with Mac Jones, it is clear in 424 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 5: the parent that Trevor Lawrence is needed for this team 425 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 5: to score points. Trevor Lawrence is needed to get the 426 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 5: rest of the team hope that they can win a game. 427 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: Like that's the feeling in the sense that I get 428 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: when I'm on the sideline. 429 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: They don't believe that there's a path to victory if 430 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence is not at quarterback. 431 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: That's it. 432 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: Part of your job. 433 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 5: At the top is to make sure you protect your franchise, asset, 434 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 5: your franchise quarterback. And despite the competitiveness that Trevor may 435 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 5: exhibit and wanting to play, risk reward, what are the 436 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 5: rewards of risking putting him out there, even if us 437 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 5: as non throwing show in those things, what are the 438 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 5: potential rewards of doing that. Okay, you win a game 439 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 5: or two, you fall out of maybe the number one position, 440 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 5: to now you fall to number three in the draft. 441 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 5: To me, I don't know if that is enough to 442 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: risk putting number sixteen out there. And as the leader 443 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 5: of the franchise or whatever, like, someone needs to say, hey, 444 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 5: look he wants to go, he can do it, but 445 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 5: we just want to make sure that we have number 446 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 5: sixteen healthy and ready to go, and we want to 447 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 5: make sure we protect his long term interest and we 448 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 5: just play out the string because that's what it is. 449 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 5: I don't know how much is going to change over 450 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 5: the next few weeks, whether Trevor plays or not. I 451 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 5: just want to make sure that you protect a franchise 452 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: by protecting the quarterback. 453 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: Guys, let's come back. 454 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: We'll try to salvage the defense when we return, and 455 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: we'll get our final thoughts to huddle up with Bucky Brothers. 456 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: Very disappointed, very very angry. Today was not our day at. 457 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 10: All, no phase of the game, and we got a 458 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 10: lot of work to do, especially going well. We got 459 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 10: it by week, so everybody hopefully give give first come 460 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 10: back divisional game, come back im fourth one. 461 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 4: We gotta win. But right now, man, the feelin's are 462 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: you know, be angry? And uh so we got a 463 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 4: got a bye week. 464 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: Josh heinz Allen after the game at Ford Field, Detroit, 465 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to 466 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: you by Field's Auto Group Jacksonville. See Fields First, Jacksonville's 467 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: premier luxury auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot com JP Shadwick, 468 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: John Osier and Bucky Brooks defense second most yards the 469 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: Jaguars have ever allowed in a game, most in a 470 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: sixty minute game. The overtime loss in Houston and twenty 471 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: twelve was the most to go allowed and then the 472 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: most yardage in the ninety five year history of the 473 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: Detroit Lions organization. And their ninety first year in the 474 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: city of Detroit. That includes the years in Portsmouth, Ohio 475 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: in their early days. That's a lot of football to 476 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: be played. To give up six hundred and forty five yards. 477 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: Jaguars is going into that game where the worst defense 478 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: in the league overall, bottom or near the bottom in 479 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: most every major metric, the lowest blitz rate in the league. 480 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: What is there to salvage the rest of the way here, Bucky, 481 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: mister defensive minded guy, what do you got? 482 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 4: I don't know where you can salvage. 483 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 5: But what you're trying to do is you're trying to 484 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 5: take the butt by week And I heard coach Peterson 485 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 5: talk about they're gonna look at everything, look at all 486 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 5: the tactics, to personnel, the rotations, all those things, and 487 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 5: see what they can do to put a better product 488 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 5: on the field the last six weeks. I think if 489 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 5: you're Ryan Nilson and the coaching staff, you have to 490 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 5: look at everything that you've done. 491 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: Who are the players that you put on the field. 492 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 5: Does the scheme put them in the best position to succeed? 493 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 5: If not, what are the things that can change. It's 494 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 5: hard to do a major overhaul of the personnel. So 495 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 5: what can you do from a X and O standpoint 496 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 5: to help the players play better. We've seen this team 497 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: go from being I would say an aggressive, man demand 498 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 5: team to trying to be one that is a little 499 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 5: more ban but don't break. 500 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: But both approaches have not yielded the results that you want. 501 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 5: I think what you have to do is look at 502 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 5: the strengths of the players, put them in a position 503 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: to play to those strengths as much as possible, and 504 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 5: you just got to live with the results. 505 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 4: But what you want to do now is. 506 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: You have to become a process oriented group more so 507 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 5: than a results driven group, because as a coach, you 508 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 5: got to assume that I'm gonna be here beyond this year. 509 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 5: Let me lock in and figure out what I can 510 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 5: fix to help us build some momentum down the stretch. 511 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 6: First of all, some of those Portsmouth teams could hang 512 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 6: a number on you, so discount that absolutely. I thought 513 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 6: I thought, I thought they played ben but don't break. 514 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 7: The other day. 515 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 6: The problem was the Lions offensive line was so good 516 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 6: that once you got down into the point where you 517 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 6: would normally stop bending, the Lions could just break you. 518 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 6: I mean, so that that approach makes sense except when 519 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 6: you're completely overmatch with the line of scrimmage. So that 520 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 6: was just kind of a thought that didn't was very 521 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 6: able to do with your question, what do they do? 522 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 6: I I think they'll play better defensively going forward. I 523 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 6: think they can get back to when they're playing lesser offenses, 524 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 6: which pretty much any offense in the league right now 525 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 6: is gonna be lesser than Detroit because they match up 526 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 6: so well against Jacksonville, meaning their front being that overpowering. 527 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 6: You worried beforehand, Bucky, that they would expose what we 528 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 6: all sort of felt was the Jaguars weakness the interior, 529 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 6: and that if they couldn't get off the field, they 530 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 6: were gonna be able. They were gonna be able to 531 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 6: impose will opening up everything. I'm not sure any other 532 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 6: team can white do that to that degree this year. 533 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, let's look at the schedule. 534 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm saying they're saying that that doesn't matter 535 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 6: because it shows you how far behind you are elite 536 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 6: right now. And I got off track, But that's that's 537 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 6: too bad. 538 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: To your point, John, Texans, next Titans, after that, Jets, Raiders, 539 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Titans again, and then the Colts. 540 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 4: That's the remaining six games. 541 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so you can get some traction and 542 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 6: not be as bad as they were the other day. 543 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 6: But the goodness, they were as bad as you can 544 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 6: get the other day. So I don't know if that 545 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 6: traction makes any difference get worse. 546 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, But we weren't. 547 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: We weren't surprised because I remember JP asked the question 548 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 5: in the pregame talk about where, uh where, if anywhere, 549 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 5: does do the Jaguars hold an advantage over the Detroit liance. 550 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 5: And I couldn't give an answer. I couldn't give a 551 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 5: positive answer like offense, defense, O, line, D line, secondary nowhere. 552 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: And that's a problem just from a personnel standpoint. And 553 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 5: then when you try and match the tactics to the personnel, 554 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 5: what you're trying to do is accenuate your strengths and 555 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 5: mash your deficiencies. 556 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 4: But the problem the way the team. 557 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 5: Is constructed right now, you're not dominant on the interior. 558 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: You have two pass rushes in. 559 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 5: Trayvon Austin Josh einz Allen, but you have to have 560 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: more to be successful in the league. At linebacker, we've 561 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: had problems when we've been forced to match up in 562 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 5: man demand so you want to play more zone, but 563 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 5: when you are a defense that is not as fast 564 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: as the opponent, zone leaves too many holes and voids 565 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 5: and the catch and run stuff can get you. And 566 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 5: then on the outside we're still having I would say 567 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 5: communication issues when it comes to the coverage. Where am 568 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 5: I supposed to be, who do I have? How do 569 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 5: we play this? And those things. So everyone is to 570 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 5: blame coaches, players, front office in terms of the the 571 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: pieces of the puzzle not matching up. But I will 572 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 5: say this, what you try to do is you try 573 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 5: to sell the team on Let's play these next six 574 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 5: games the best that we can do. Let's reset everything 575 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: when we come back on Monday and see if we 576 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 5: can build game plans that gives us an opportunity to 577 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 5: win the majority of these six games, and if we 578 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 5: can build some positive momentum, maybe we can realize some 579 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: of the potential that we thought that we had as 580 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 5: a team heading. 581 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 4: Into the season. 582 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 5: Easier said than done, but I think from a mental standpoint, 583 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 5: that's what you have to do. 584 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 4: If you're Doug Peterson the company. 585 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the same thing applies to the other 586 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 6: side of the ball, too, But I mean every email. 587 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 6: I get it keeps them talking about how quote predictable. 588 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 7: The offense is. 589 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 6: My experience is that typically when play callers feel like 590 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 6: the players that they have are somewhat limited, that tends 591 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 6: to limit what they call offensively because they're trying to 592 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 6: put these guys in situations where they can succeed. And 593 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 6: it feels to me like that's a little bit of Okay, well, 594 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 6: we don't really want to call this set of plays 595 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 6: because we feel like that puts us at a disadvantage 596 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 6: and not being able to execute it, So we're going 597 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 6: to stick to these. It gets predictable because there's not 598 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 6: that many things you feel confident in. And again, I 599 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 6: may not be saying that that well, but I think 600 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 6: I think Mac clearly the arm there limits a little 601 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 6: bit of what they're going to call downfield. That's just 602 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 6: how it feels to me. And then the fact that 603 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 6: you don't feel confident that you can establish the run, 604 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, there's a limit to what 605 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 6: you can call in this, which I think is sort 606 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 6: of the offensive version of what you're talking about. 607 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: Buck. 608 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, let's be honest, because it starts with the 609 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 5: quarterback first, right, the one thing that every team will 610 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 5: tell you is what you hope for is the quarterback 611 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 5: that is in the game gives. 612 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: You hope that you'll be able to get it done. 613 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 5: When the defense believes in the quarterback, what they do 614 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 5: is they spend their time saying, hey, if we can 615 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 5: just get the ball back, I can lead us down 616 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 5: the field. Offensively, wide receivers run a little faster. They 617 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 5: give a little more energy and effort to getting open 618 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 5: because they know if I win my route, the ball 619 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 5: is gonna be right there for me and I'm gonna 620 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 5: be able to make a play. Same thing for the 621 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 5: offensive line. If we give right I got time, we 622 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 5: can make it happen. And unfortunately, right now, mac Jones 623 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 5: is not played well enough to inspire that kind of 624 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 5: hope on either side of the ball. Now he's trying to, 625 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 5: like as hard as he can to be that guy, but. 626 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 4: Right now it just hasn't worked. 627 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 5: That then forces the coaching staff to kind of shift 628 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 5: gears and try and figure out how can we win 629 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 5: working around. 630 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 4: Some of the things that he's struggling with. Can we 631 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 4: run the ball more? 632 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 5: Can we do some different things screen passes, quick game 633 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 5: rhythm throws, play action, all of those things, and so 634 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 5: you're spending the wheel trying to find the right combination 635 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 5: of plays and concepts to help the quarterback, and then 636 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 5: helping the quarterback you help the rest of the team. 637 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: But I'll be honest, the offensive line hasn't been good 638 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: enough to run the football successfully. We've had the same 639 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 5: issue the last two years in terms of being able 640 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 5: to convert third and fourth in shorts. On the outside, 641 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 5: we're not winning consistently outside of Brian Thomas Junior to deserve. 642 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 4: To have the ball go in their direction more often. 643 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 5: And then when it comes to the quarterback, we just 644 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 5: haven't been accurate enough to be able to put the 645 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 5: ball on the playmakers when they do win. So it's 646 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 5: just been a failure in every aspect when it comes 647 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 5: to the offensive plan. 648 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, other than that, everything's going fine here in Jacksonville. 649 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: The bye week, you know, I'm real positive about it's 650 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: gonna happen moving ahead. After this show today, Bucky, I 651 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: must say, hey, Bucky, do you have a bye week? 652 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 4: How does that work? It is a bye week. It's 653 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 4: been kind of crummy. So the good thing is being 654 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 4: able to kind of reseaid, you know what, I'm gonna do. 655 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a queue from Doug Peterson and the 656 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 5: team and I'm just gonna reset. 657 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 4: I'm a little tired. 658 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 5: All of these games have made me tired, so I'm 659 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 5: gonna try and rest and recharge and make sure that 660 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 5: I come back next week on Huddle Up fully ready 661 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 5: to go back to the positivity, trying to go one 662 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 5: and on next week. So yeah, I'm I'm gonna do 663 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 5: like the players, I'm gonna take some time off and 664 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and get it right next week. 665 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 4: So that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna enjoy the 666 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 4: rest of the week and make sure I'm recharging, ready 667 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 4: to go. 668 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 3: It's a long stretch. 669 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 6: Run Joe on top that tough too. I'll do the same. 670 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 6: I will take the rest of the show off. 671 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 4: I will. 672 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: I will do it just because that's what we do 673 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 2: during the bye week. Bucky will talk to you next week. 674 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: Appreciate it all right, man, looking forward to it. Bucky 675 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: Brooks joining us from Los Angeles. John Ozier, I'm JP Shattercker. 676 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: Thanks to Joe Fortunato, Brent. 677 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: Reaver and our entire crew, and thanks 678 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: To you for watching Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,