Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast,
Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2: Welcome Mental Breakable, Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Laser. I'm
Speaker 2: Jay Laser, and I like to have guests on from
Speaker 2: all walks of life. Obviously, my life is usually the
Speaker 2: world of football and fighting, so it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense to have a lot of football people on.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'd say one of the most interesting
Speaker 2: and dynamic characters now in the National Football League has
Speaker 2: been for quite some somebody's back in the NFL, but
Speaker 2: this is his first time on the Unbreakable podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome and Chargers head coach Jim Harborough.
Speaker 4: How are you, buddy, doing great? Jay, Good to see you.
Speaker 4: Gratulations on your wedding.
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, appreciate him. Man, Never too late, buddy,
Speaker 2: even a guy like me, It's never too late.
Speaker 5: I hope you showed a lot of people that picture
Speaker 5: of their wedding day with the rainbow over you and
Speaker 5: your double row.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, Jim, you know it was
Speaker 3: the coolest part.
Speaker 4: So for now, that's God work.
Speaker 3: But you know what's cool for me?
Speaker 2: I was talking about being in the gray I call
Speaker 2: it the gray went like my depression, anxiety and the
Speaker 2: bipolar and ADHD and all of it together. I called
Speaker 2: the gray right, And I wake up every day like that.
Speaker 2: So when we start getting married, it's just the two
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 3: We looped her there to the mouth of coast and
Speaker 3: it starts getting gray.
Speaker 2: And I think the old Jay, who didn't do all
Speaker 2: this work in himself, definitely would have been in the
Speaker 2: tank and like, oh man, here, man, why me? And
Speaker 2: here it comes again? Of course I deserve this. But
Speaker 2: that day I said to Rosie, my wife, I said,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just starting to drizzle cut gray. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look at it differently. Maybe this is like our
Speaker 2: loved ones crying for us. I'm gonna look at us
Speaker 2: a good way. And literally I said that, and she agreed.
Speaker 2: And then the skies opened up and gave us this
Speaker 2: double rainbow to get married under, which is a great
Speaker 2: thing for me, Like, just have a little faith and
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to go through the rain to get
Speaker 2: double rainbows on your biggest day.
Speaker 3: It was really cool, man.
Speaker 4: For sure, LICENSE couldn't have it to do a better guy.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man, I don't know about that but
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hey, so, you know, I want to
Speaker 2: dive into a couple of life lessons here from you,
Speaker 2: but before that, I do want to ask kind of
Speaker 2: more culture things. Yeah, so you brought in to obviously
Speaker 2: redo the culture, if you will, of the Chargers. What's
Speaker 2: the difference in trying to build a new culture a
Speaker 2: college program, which you've done several times, and trying to
Speaker 2: rebuild a culture in an NFL program, which now you're.
Speaker 3: Doing twice, because hey, cultures everything.
Speaker 5: There's really not a whole lot of differences between you know,
Speaker 5: building a strong team in college and in the NFL,
Speaker 5: much like a family attacking each day with an enthusiasm
Speaker 5: unknown to mankind together and so many things to it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, not a lot of I wouldn't say there's
Speaker 5: many differences between NFL college and your family at home.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're two great loves, right and those those
Speaker 5: to me are my two great loves, you know, family
Speaker 5: at home and the family to hear at work.
Speaker 2: There's two things right here I want to hit first
Speaker 2: of all, advice, Right, I got this card here, Jim
Speaker 2: Harpau's advice, and I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it, and I'm sure you have it in
Speaker 3: front of your I'm probably probably don't need to have it.
Speaker 3: Do you have it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right there?
Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of want to go it because I
Speaker 2: want to teach people this because I think there's great
Speaker 2: I think a locker room and what you can learn
Speaker 2: from football, like I think the rest of the world's
Speaker 2: messed up in a locker room's not. You know, a
Speaker 2: locker room, but you could joke about anything.
Speaker 3: You could whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But man, you will fight it out and love it
Speaker 2: out and you got no problems in the locker room.
Speaker 2: It's over in two seconds. So there's so many football
Speaker 2: lessons that equate. And we're talking about building mental wealth
Speaker 2: that equate to building mental wealth for the world.
Speaker 3: So let's go over with us. Let's start first. You
Speaker 3: have Ted right there every day okay, Yeah, I want
Speaker 3: you to dive deep in all these men.
Speaker 5: Okay, Ted there every day. That's an ackerman. Ted is
Speaker 5: the ackerman for there every day. And it's just something
Speaker 5: about being there every single day. No question that you
Speaker 5: get better at football by being there. It would take
Speaker 5: a bone sticking out of your of your body for
Speaker 5: you not to playing a game and for your teammates
Speaker 5: to know that you're going to be in that same
Speaker 5: seat sitting there every day.
Speaker 4: People can count on you.
Speaker 5: There's just something about that that that speaks volumes for
Speaker 5: what kind of teammate you are. And I think the
Speaker 5: first thing that people look for in a teammate what's
Speaker 5: in another person's heart? You know, are they for us?
Speaker 5: Or are they for themselves? I think that's the first
Speaker 5: thing we try to detect. You know, dogs are really
Speaker 5: good at it. Dogs are you know, really good at
Speaker 5: you know, finding out you know, what's in it? What's
Speaker 5: in somebody's intentions?
Speaker 4: Are you know, are they gonna are they gonna be
Speaker 4: nice to me? Are they gonna feed me? Are they
Speaker 4: gonna hurt me? Are they gonna take care of me?
Speaker 5: And human beings are nine hundred times better at detecting
Speaker 5: and you know what's in another person's heart.
Speaker 4: That's really the first thing.
Speaker 5: That that we in that locker room, that that teams
Speaker 5: setting that that we want to find out about somebody else?
Speaker 4: Are they about themselves? Are they are they for us?
Speaker 3: So it's really consistency. You're looking for consistency, you know
Speaker 3: what you're getting?
Speaker 4: Yeah? There every day?
Speaker 3: I love that. Is there a way to coach that
Speaker 3: or is that you need?
Speaker 5: That's a that's a good one. I mean I think
Speaker 5: everything everything is. We're always a work in progress. We're
Speaker 5: always either getting better or we're getting worse. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I would I would say that that's, you know, something
Speaker 5: that can be self coached. I mean, there's self talk,
Speaker 5: but it also can be coached in by by somebody
Speaker 5: that that you respect, somebody that you you know, that
Speaker 5: you trust, you believe in. So somebody like a coach,
Speaker 5: a teacher, just a professional. Really, I mean, who's the expert.
Speaker 5: Who's the expert in? Is it a doctor? If there's
Speaker 5: something wrong with me, I want to get the advice
Speaker 5: of my doctor, you know, my personal physician, you know,
Speaker 5: not not not my butcher, not my barber, not the internet.
Speaker 3: Definitely not the internet.
Speaker 5: Who is that expert? And the way I was raised
Speaker 5: there was I was raised Jay by my dad, Jack Harbaugh.
Speaker 5: Whoever the expert is, you listen to that person and
Speaker 5: you do what that person tells you to do, and
Speaker 5: if you do, you will be successful because they know
Speaker 5: the subject matter better than you do. I love that,
Speaker 5: whether that's the professor, where that's the coach, you know,
Speaker 5: certainly would be would be the doctor, would be my recommendation.
Speaker 2: I love that too, you know, I think you know,
Speaker 2: I started coaching Next Martial Arts in like two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven and teams started sending US players and just
Speaker 2: we teach guys the fighter mentality.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, so in the fighter, what
Speaker 4: kind of fighting was it? The MM yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So Derwin James our safety. It took me
Speaker 5: a day and a half.
Speaker 3: Jay, right, he's one of the guys I trained.
Speaker 4: Great job.
Speaker 3: He actually tore my bicep ten and so screw him.
Speaker 4: You talk about.
Speaker 3: Tell you to say it took you a day and
Speaker 3: a half for what with Durwan?
Speaker 5: Okay, day and a half to realize, like everybody, just
Speaker 5: look at Derwin James and to exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 4: You know, how he approaches the.
Speaker 5: Meetings, the training environment, the practice, everything he says, what
Speaker 5: he wears. I mean, it's it's everything is just to
Speaker 5: the highest standard and he brings us joy in this enthusiasm.
Speaker 5: I mean it was like, what are some of the examples,
Speaker 5: Coach KENO, can I can I wear a hoodie underneath
Speaker 5: my jersey?
Speaker 4: Or can I have my T shirt out? You know? Uh,
Speaker 4: past my, I know, I don't know what. Why don't
Speaker 4: you look at Derwin?
Speaker 5: Look at Derwin Shade, See how there's a true professional,
Speaker 5: one of the the the best, the very best in
Speaker 5: the gay you know, just this mindset and the way
Speaker 5: he attacks and goes about his business. And again it
Speaker 5: is anything and everything for the team to be successful.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's just.
Speaker 5: Been lucky because I guys at Michigan who is just
Speaker 5: like that, you know, Blake korm and Junior Colson and
Speaker 5: Trevor Keegan and Zach Zim.
Speaker 3: But that's the easy ones. That's not the guys.
Speaker 4: Jay McCarthy said that you talk.
Speaker 2: About the easy ones, Jim, Come on, they're not all
Speaker 2: like that, dude.
Speaker 3: That's the way. They're not all like Derwin or else
Speaker 3: they all be a pro Bowl, right.
Speaker 5: You know what, though, the smart ones will be like Derwin.
Speaker 5: You know, the smart ones will be like like Justin Herbert,
Speaker 5: because you.
Speaker 4: Know, just pick a guy, pick a guy you know
Speaker 4: that's that's really doing it the right way, the best way.
Speaker 5: That's having success. And just you know, here's some simple advice.
Speaker 5: Just watch them, you know, and then emulate them and
Speaker 5: then go make that person proud of you, you know,
Speaker 5: because that's gonna be your best self. Really, I mean
Speaker 5: the hanging around the Johnny Frick arounds, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean the guys that are you know, on some Bullsmith
Speaker 5: you know, four or five nights a week going out
Speaker 5: do it, you know, not not taking care of their bodies,
Speaker 5: not the not taking care of their family their god
Speaker 5: given responsibility.
Speaker 4: You know, that's not your best self.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it could just be that simple, Jay to
Speaker 5: just to just watch Derwin James, you know.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, find out who the best isn't.
Speaker 5: Emulate him, you know, and then go see if you
Speaker 5: can make him proud of you.
Speaker 3: Man. I love that, you know.
Speaker 2: I always say, like, find know who the best, doesn't
Speaker 2: do more than them, but I never thought about that.
Speaker 3: I know who the best is to make it proud
Speaker 3: of you. That's I love that, man. That's what. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any way anybody's gonna go surpass
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert, but yeah, you could. You could emulate him,
Speaker 5: you could watch him, you could try to keep up
Speaker 5: with him, you know, and try to make him proud
Speaker 5: of you. That would be that would be enough for
Speaker 5: you know. By the way, Dargan has the sting where
Speaker 5: he's so grateful for the coaching, for the improvement.
Speaker 2: Like he honestly, man, he's one of the favorite dudes
Speaker 2: I've ever not just trained, but been around in this
Speaker 2: league of.
Speaker 3: My entire life.
Speaker 4: That's what I get to go to work, right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just the same. I mean, it's just yeah, you
Speaker 4: just want to like rub up, you know, rub shoulders.
Speaker 4: Give me, give me some I'm a give me some
Speaker 4: of that what you got.
Speaker 3: Give me some of that magic. Yeah, no doubt. You know,
Speaker 3: he is such a good dude. Man. He was like,
Speaker 3: and we have a great community where we are to
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for for bringing me in this community,
Speaker 2: said Deurmot. Of course, man, you're you're great. You lift
Speaker 2: us all up. He goes, No, no, I want you
Speaker 2: to hear me, thank you for this, Like who does that?
Speaker 2: Like he is such a great Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'll give you another example.
Speaker 5: Today this morning we're Derwin, Justin and I and I
Speaker 5: think Ben Herbert is gonna come with us too.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go down and see the Navy seals.
Speaker 5: And I asked if they wanted to go, and Justin yes,
Speaker 5: that would be that would be a tremendous honor.
Speaker 4: Derwin James. Yeah, let's go, coach. Let's let's get that now.
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful to uh, to the men and women
Speaker 5: that protect our country.
Speaker 4: You know, let's go not like, let me check my schedule,
Speaker 4: let me let me see what I gotta do.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a long day, coach. We got mandatory
Speaker 5: mini camp later in the night. You know, just like
Speaker 5: you know, let's go get it. Let's go get let's
Speaker 5: go get it. Let's get that same way, the approach practice.
Speaker 5: Let's get this work, coach. Let's uh you ready, let's
Speaker 5: go those kind of guys. And there's others I got.
Speaker 5: JK Dobbins. You know, he's another kind of guy. You know,
Speaker 5: just uh, you've been around JK. You know you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And uh, I guess so many favorites already,
Speaker 5: Sean Slater and Zion Sion is amazing, Scottie, Matt Locke.
Speaker 5: I could go on and on of the Joey Bose
Speaker 5: has been been just a thrill to be around. Khalil
Speaker 5: Mack just the same kind of guy. Just watch them
Speaker 5: emulate him. See if you can go make them proud
Speaker 5: of you.
Speaker 3: I love that, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get back to your advice here, four keys
Speaker 2: to happiness and descending order.
Speaker 3: Bring the Jim Marvo, pick a job you love, don't.
Speaker 2: Get better, get better, outwork your competition. Mary Wisely, I
Speaker 2: gotta tell my daughters don't marry dumb.
Speaker 3: You can't trust them with the decision they will make.
Speaker 4: Pretty much right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's some key advice to some things I've learned.
Speaker 5: But the one thing you said in there, you know,
Speaker 5: don't get better, get better. You know, to me, there's
Speaker 5: there's so much in that one right there, and it's
Speaker 5: really just changing the eye to the e right, don't
Speaker 5: get better, get better. Don't be the victim, be the hero,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, if if somebody's gonna write their story,
Speaker 5: say they were a novelists and they were writing there,
Speaker 5: they write novels, they write books. You know, they could
Speaker 5: be war books. You know, they could be cooking books.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're gonna write in the same kind of genre.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not gonna it's not gonna dramatically change.
Speaker 5: So I mean, you could be writing your own book.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be that you're the hero, you know,
Speaker 5: you're gonna come out the hero, you know, every time,
Speaker 5: or you could be writing it the other way, you know,
Speaker 5: like you'll always come out the victim.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the victim.
Speaker 5: And this, this pattern really creates itself, and it's to me,
Speaker 5: it just comes down to that, Okay, victim or hero,
Speaker 5: don't get better, get better, change the I to the E,
Speaker 5: and yeah, write it in.
Speaker 4: You're gonna, you know, find.
Speaker 5: The way to to be the hero of your own story.
Speaker 5: You had talked earlier about, you know, some of the
Speaker 5: things that you know have broken you know or heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: I mean people used to tell me that, you know,
Speaker 5: like it's heartbreaking, it's a heartbreaking loss and with a
Speaker 5: heartbreaking you know thing that happened.
Speaker 4: But does it have to be heartbreaking heartbreaking?
Speaker 5: I mean that sounds like that's that's like it's over,
Speaker 5: it's done. I mean there's nothing that can be you know,
Speaker 5: that's the end, you know, the heartbreaks. I mean, heart
Speaker 5: doesn't work where you're out of business. But yeah, there's
Speaker 5: there's a way. There's a there's a way, and I
Speaker 5: think the best strategy is, uh, don't get better, get better.
Speaker 2: I love that contemplating career move jamar Bro says, do
Speaker 2: it the best for your family, you personally, professionally a
Speaker 2: place where you'll be happy and productive and where you
Speaker 2: were wanted and they like what you do and how
Speaker 2: you do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how's that? How's that hit you? Is that that
Speaker 4: hits you right? Or?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? Because you do.
Speaker 2: You hear so many people doing a job and they complain, right,
Speaker 2: and it's just like man, then you just get stuck
Speaker 2: in this vicious cycle all the time.
Speaker 3: So even if it's it's you've got to make.
Speaker 2: Yourself and you say it's if you're gonna be happy,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be productive, you always work on yourself to
Speaker 2: make sure you shift that narrative you get yourself happy.
Speaker 4: See, I was working on something this morning. Uh.
Speaker 5: It's just a mission really to look at yourself or
Speaker 5: someone else and what they're capable of producing. You know fourteen,
Speaker 5: whether it's the family team or or or the team
Speaker 5: at work. You know, really you have you have your
Speaker 5: talent and health, that mental and physical mind and body.
Speaker 4: You know that we're that we're.
Speaker 5: Blessed with minus turning this into equation an equation minus
Speaker 5: you know, flaws or injury that you might have and everybody.
Speaker 5: Everybody has a everybody has flaws, nobody's perfect, and in
Speaker 5: football we're always working through something. Uh it seems like
Speaker 5: so talent health minus flaws and injury plus problem solving
Speaker 5: you know how ingenuity Humans are really good at that, right,
Speaker 5: They're really good at fixing things ways to make it right,
Speaker 5: you know, finding that way minus excuses. Those are a
Speaker 5: detrimental problem solving and then minus distraction maintenance maintenance in
Speaker 5: your own life. Just that you know, high higher the maintenance,
Speaker 5: the lower your production is going to be. You know,
Speaker 5: the lower your maintenance in your life, the higher your production.
Speaker 4: Is going to be.
Speaker 5: So minus minus that that distraction maintenance in your own life,
Speaker 5: and then plus motivation times how hard you are willing
Speaker 5: to work to achieve something. So quas would be talent
Speaker 5: health minus flaws and injury plus problem solving minus excuse
Speaker 5: minus distraction plus motivation times work ethic equals production capabilities.
Speaker 5: So I'm only thought after doing that was confidence. Confidence
Speaker 5: is going to be a major factor in there, or
Speaker 5: lack of confidence, and really whatever confidence you have is
Speaker 5: going to be an addition except for terminal insecurity or
Speaker 5: the big.
Speaker 4: Head you know, the Yeah, I've got all the answers.
Speaker 5: I'm there, you know, because that big heads a trap,
Speaker 5: a deep, dark, lowly trap. So that's that's a little
Speaker 5: little quazy. I just kind of work on you know,
Speaker 5: how can you work on yourself?
Speaker 4: You know what can I be? What can I be
Speaker 4: approving on? You know?
Speaker 5: You know what are the I can lower distractions of
Speaker 5: my life? I can uh you know, I can eliminate excuses. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I can lean on my ingenuity, making it right,
Speaker 5: finding a way fixing things.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I can flaws that I have.
Speaker 5: I mean, which ones can I you know, work through
Speaker 5: and prove you know, which ones can I find a
Speaker 5: way to hey, just not not you know, limit their impact,
Speaker 5: you know as a player or coach. And then yeah,
Speaker 5: really the positives I do have, you know, really accentuate those,
Speaker 5: you know, the.
Speaker 4: Talent and the health.
Speaker 5: I mean, God willing in the crypt, don't rise. I've
Speaker 5: got all today. I've got today, I've got I got
Speaker 5: these twenty four hours to grow as much as I
Speaker 5: can and you know, get as much done as as possible.
Speaker 5: And how will I know that I that I did
Speaker 5: as much as I could When I go to sleep tonight,
Speaker 5: when my head hits the pillow.
Speaker 4: You know, if the.
Speaker 5: Muscles are sore, the mind's aching a little bit. You know,
Speaker 5: I've I've sweated, and my head hits the pill and
Speaker 5: I go right to sleep. Then I know I did
Speaker 5: all I could for my team at home and my
Speaker 5: team here at work.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I love that. I really love that. I really love that.
Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm trying to turn it into an equation,
Speaker 5: you know, like a real math equation.
Speaker 4: But uh, I lost my excellence in math right after
Speaker 4: long division.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, you're talking to the ADHD
Speaker 2: guy who could pay attention to classes.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, you got elemental B.
Speaker 3: You're beyond add.
Speaker 4: But it's a great way to see the world, is it.
Speaker 2: I love?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely no doubt. Hey, different is good. So bye.
Speaker 3: We got so far. Advice from Jamarbor up there every day.
Speaker 2: The consistency right, four keyst happiness, pick a job you love, don't.
Speaker 3: Get better, get better? Which love?
Speaker 2: How we working, competition, mary wisely contemplating career move right,
Speaker 2: do what's best for you and your family personally, professionally,
Speaker 2: And then I think we hit this one already. Follow
Speaker 2: the direction of those in authority. You said that earlier, right,
Speaker 2: that's your next one here, seek such as a parent, teacher, coach, employer.
Speaker 2: They're the expert and know the subject matter better than me.
Speaker 2: If I do what they said, then I'll be successful.
Speaker 2: Listen to the instruction, Embrace the instruction, execute the instruction.
Speaker 2: And your last piece of advice. I really love this,
Speaker 2: keep doing you, it's working. If you want to get
Speaker 2: a little better at something, work a little harder at it,
Speaker 2: whatever you do.
Speaker 3: Don't get a big head. That's a trap. You just
Speaker 3: said that, a deep, dark, lonely trap. But I love
Speaker 3: the part of keep doing you. It's working, especially a
Speaker 3: daylight today.
Speaker 2: So many of us look, especially with social media, you're
Speaker 2: you're comparing yourselves to everybody else's fake, filtered one second
Speaker 2: of one day, and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, right, I'm not doing it enough. My life sucks.
Speaker 3: This is terrible. And Jim, this.
Speaker 2: Is if you can get people to understand that work,
Speaker 2: keep doing you. It's working, man. That can help so
Speaker 2: many people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or you just said it. You just said it. Great? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You first off, what's the you know on the flip
Speaker 4: side and the number one thing? That's it? Right there?
Speaker 5: Seek first the Kingdom of God and all else will
Speaker 5: be added onto you.
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, I mentioned the JK.
Speaker 5: Scott had mentioned that to me just the other day,
Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, you know, that's that's where
Speaker 5: it starts in my opinion. And then yeah, do you
Speaker 5: it's working, Jay, you know it's working. Look where you're at.
Speaker 5: Look where the uh where the college football players I coach,
Speaker 5: You know how hard it is to get to college
Speaker 5: football and then to be uh, to be a professional
Speaker 5: football player. I mean, you're doing you're doing, You're doing good,
Speaker 5: you're doing you're doing well. And if there is something
Speaker 5: you want to work on, you know, just work a
Speaker 5: little bit harder at it and whatever you do, don't
Speaker 5: get the big head.
Speaker 4: And I say the same thing to the high school players.
Speaker 5: You know that football is mostly what I know, right,
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm you know, I keep using examples.
Speaker 4: Of and talking about.
Speaker 5: But as my brother John Harball said, he's never met
Speaker 5: and I've never met a high school football player that
Speaker 5: played for four years of high school football and ever
Speaker 5: regretted it. I never heard anybody say I regret playing
Speaker 5: football for the for the last four years. And I've
Speaker 5: heard some guys say, we wishing to have played high
Speaker 5: school football. But yeah, maybe that's another subject. But uh yeah,
Speaker 5: whoever you are out there, I mean, keep doing.
Speaker 4: You it's working.
Speaker 5: You want to get better at something, work a little
Speaker 5: harder at it, and whatever you do, don't get a
Speaker 5: big head.
Speaker 2: Tell people all the time, Hey, you gotta love yourself
Speaker 2: the funk, which is what you're saying, like, love yourself up,
Speaker 2: appreciate who you are.
Speaker 4: It's all.
Speaker 5: It's all good, great, and an attitude of gratitude, you know,
Speaker 5: is a is a wonderful thing.
Speaker 4: And it's been great. Where do you live, Jay? I
Speaker 4: love Malibu? Okay, so you're here in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I'll be hanging trust me, I love it.
Speaker 4: It's been great out here. I love it. I love
Speaker 4: it too.
Speaker 5: That's been kind of it seems like half my life
Speaker 5: in the Midwest, half my life in uh in California.
Speaker 4: You know. I love both.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people say how nice the people
Speaker 5: are in the Midwest. Uh, you know, genuine down to earth.
Speaker 5: I think the California it means it's right there right
Speaker 5: there with the Midwest for how people treat you, I
Speaker 5: mean treat you, treat your good to treat you nice.
Speaker 4: And probably the number one factor here.
Speaker 5: They let you be who you are, you know in California,
Speaker 5: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fine, I moved here from New York, and I'd say
Speaker 2: the biggest difference is in LA and again Malible, when
Speaker 2: somebody bumps into you and says excuse me, they really
Speaker 2: mean excuse me.
Speaker 3: I want to New York.
Speaker 4: Hows have good interactions in New York cool too, you know.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the fact that we do live
Speaker 2: in you know, LA now will definitely hook up. I
Speaker 2: will definitely let you pay for some dinners. I have
Speaker 2: no problem with that. We'll be good with that. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll bring up here to Ballible a couple of times.
Speaker 2: But bring up justin Herbert. You've been around a lot
Speaker 2: great quarterbacks, a lot of great players. Yeah, where is
Speaker 2: he different or better than everybody else you've seen? Like
Speaker 2: you said earlier, like man, you're not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to do more than him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is it about him that's just different than every
Speaker 2: other quarterback you've worked with?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Okay, So my whole life I've been you know, I've
Speaker 5: been looking at other you look at other quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's the same position that I've played, right, so from
Speaker 5: a time seven or eight years old. When I go
Speaker 5: out to their punt pass and kick competition, I mean,
Speaker 5: the first thing you do is start sizing everybody up,
Speaker 5: you know, like, well he can throw it further, he can,
Speaker 5: I can throw it further and he can, or I
Speaker 5: can run.
Speaker 4: Faster than him, or do it.
Speaker 5: Then when you're on a team, right, I mean you're
Speaker 5: on your your Pop Warner team. Who the other guys
Speaker 5: tried out for quarterback? You know, let me let me
Speaker 5: check them out. You know, like where can I get better?
Speaker 5: Where do I need to get better? Go to high school,
Speaker 5: it's the same thing. Well he's probably better at me
Speaker 5: right now. But if I you know, I can chip
Speaker 5: away at this and then you know, college, same thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not gonna start as.
Speaker 5: A as a freshman, but uh you know here's the
Speaker 5: good things that that quarterback does. Same in the pros,
Speaker 5: just on and I and then as a coach. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just it's innate in me is to watch quarterbacks
Speaker 5: and fundamentally see like can I beat this person out
Speaker 5: or not? You know, where do I need to get
Speaker 5: better as a player? You know versus what I'm already
Speaker 5: better than him at and what maybe I can widen
Speaker 5: that margin. Chead Justin Herbert, that quarterback is like, man,
Speaker 5: I would take any gene in his body and try
Speaker 5: raid immediately right on the spot. Colin Kaepernick. I remember
Speaker 5: watching Colin when I was when he's in college, Like
Speaker 5: he'd be tough to beat out, you know, So now
Speaker 5: I want him on my team. You know, Justin Herbert
Speaker 5: to me is like, wow, I've never seen anything you
Speaker 5: know quite like you know, his talent, his intelligence, his
Speaker 5: work ethic, his mindset. I mean there's just I can't
Speaker 5: I can't find any flaws. And then you know, I
Speaker 5: watch him and and this has all been going on,
Speaker 5: and you know, watching in shorts. You know, we're you know,
Speaker 5: shorts and helmets and stuff. But I've seen him in
Speaker 5: in paths. I've seen it on the tape him doing
Speaker 5: the exact same things. Yeah, I'm blown away. He's had
Speaker 5: three he's been in I think three offensive coordinators and
Speaker 5: in three years. I mean he's got this stuff picked up, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, down in everything, motion, landmarks, snap count and
Speaker 5: not that I haven't even mentioned throwing. I mean, this
Speaker 5: guy can you know, threw, oh like an incredible arm talent,
Speaker 5: and he can run. The athlete he is, he could
Speaker 5: be a tight end you know, easy or an edge
Speaker 5: rusher even I mean, he's that kind of athletic strong.
Speaker 5: And then you know he works. Did a conditioning test
Speaker 5: last week. He smashed it, literally smashed it. It was
Speaker 5: it was easy, and he just was sprinting at the
Speaker 5: end way in front of you know, of all the
Speaker 5: other big skill players.
Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing. And then he's got this, I
Speaker 4: mean it's like then it's all about the team. You know.
Speaker 5: It's like he really tries to he tried to downplay
Speaker 5: you know, him personally and lift others up, you know,
Speaker 5: as opposed to trying to push others down and lift
Speaker 5: himself up. It's just so good and every he and
Speaker 5: he'd probably come in and like get mad at me
Speaker 5: for saying this, you know, because he's he's one of
Speaker 5: those guys that you know, really wants to spotlight showing,
Speaker 5: you know, on somebody else.
Speaker 4: But uh, that's my assessment right there. I'm away, I
Speaker 4: never bet around anybody better.
Speaker 5: Incredible, incredible, And then in the training environment, like I said, him,
Speaker 5: Derwin James and there's been others, but I mean those
Speaker 5: two are have been here every every day, every minute,
Speaker 5: you know, every hour, every minute, have been completely engaged
Speaker 5: in whatever we were doing, whether it's the uh, the
Speaker 5: training environment, in the weight room, the meeting room, or
Speaker 5: out on the field.
Speaker 3: I'm blown away that you said Justin Herbert could be
Speaker 3: a defers event.
Speaker 4: He could be an edge rusher, he could be an
Speaker 4: edge rusher, stand up edge rusher.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joey, he's not that I mean, not that far
Speaker 5: in strength from like a Joey Bosa klil mack Uh.
Speaker 5: He's that type of He's that type of you know,
Speaker 5: strong athletic, incredible athlete.
Speaker 2: Last question, coach, I asked all my guests this, give
Speaker 2: me your unbreakable moment, the moment that should have broken.
Speaker 2: You could have broken, you didn't, and as a result,
Speaker 2: you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question. And I, like I told you,
Speaker 4: I don't know that I really have when.
Speaker 5: I keep whatever I say to myself, you know, like
Speaker 5: that kind of that self talk or if it's don't
Speaker 5: get better, get better. I know there are some I
Speaker 5: know there's there's some out there that would have you know,
Speaker 5: but it's like when you trip and fall, you know,
Speaker 5: you you know, you get back.
Speaker 3: The biggest piece of adversue you've been through.
Speaker 5: I almost like look at it like, yeah, maybe a
Speaker 5: lesser man that might have killed a lesser man, you know,
Speaker 5: or a lesser athlete you know, might s Yeah I
Speaker 5: didn't kill you that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. There's
Speaker 5: there's there's definitely some there. But uh yeah that I
Speaker 5: guess I'm proud of, you know, innerly proud of that
Speaker 5: I was, you know, able to overcome.
Speaker 3: That's my point. That's what I'm asking for.
Speaker 4: Oh an example, Yeah, yeah, I have to.
Speaker 5: I have to get back to you and that I
Speaker 5: don't have that list in front of myocas.
Speaker 2: You gotta do another podcast, do another one.
Speaker 4: I'll see, I'll put that list together. Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's just like I guess, I says, you know, take
Speaker 5: some good, uh feel good about yourself that Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Can, you can get through it.
Speaker 3: You can be proud of your scars. That's the point.
Speaker 4: Like scars are revo. Yeah you know, shoot, yeah, I
Speaker 4: got the I love it. You got the broken arm,
Speaker 4: got the crooked arm. You know, you got all all
Speaker 4: kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe some things that should have should have broken
Speaker 5: the heart, but didn't you know. And yeah, maybe a
Speaker 5: lesser man would have felt fallen down, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, or a less lesser athlete would have
Speaker 4: gone down.
Speaker 5: But I stayed up, kept my feet you know, and
Speaker 5: kept kept charging to the goal line.
Speaker 4: You know. That's that's it. I think that's what we're
Speaker 4: all trying to do. Right. They alive on the wedge, Jay,
Speaker 4: you love specialties, right, yeah, there you go. Now, they
Speaker 4: they kind of reduced that wedge a little bit.
Speaker 5: But uh, you know back in the old days, three
Speaker 5: man wedgs and it went to a two man wedge
Speaker 5: and me some had to go in and fly into
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 4: You know, that was tough to do.
Speaker 5: It's just all we used to say was just just
Speaker 5: stay alive.
Speaker 4: On the wedge. Just keep your feet, stay alive.
Speaker 5: That's what I eat those those blocks, and you know
Speaker 5: sometimes you even make the tackle, but uh, let's just
Speaker 5: keep doing that. No, just remind me of that too,
Speaker 5: you know. And if you ever need a need a friend,
Speaker 5: let me reach out. Just stay alive on the wedge.
Speaker 4: Jay.
Speaker 2: I like that, brother, Jim Man, I really appreciate it. Man,
Speaker 2: have have fun down there with the Seals.
Speaker 3: They're a special group.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: You guys are special to you got you got special.
Speaker 2: People it and like I said, you and I will
Speaker 2: definitely break some bread out here and the Cally.
Speaker 4: Brother sounds great. Appreciate you having me on, Jay,