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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast,

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Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Mental Breakable, Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Laser. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jay Laser, and I like to have guests on from

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Speaker 2: all walks of life. Obviously, my life is usually the

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Speaker 2: world of football and fighting, so it makes a lot

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Speaker 2: of sense to have a lot of football people on.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'd say one of the most interesting

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Speaker 2: and dynamic characters now in the National Football League has

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Speaker 2: been for quite some somebody's back in the NFL, but

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Speaker 2: this is his first time on the Unbreakable podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome and Chargers head coach Jim Harborough.

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Speaker 4: How are you, buddy, doing great? Jay, Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Gratulations on your wedding.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, appreciate him. Man, Never too late, buddy,

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Speaker 2: even a guy like me, It's never too late.

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Speaker 5: I hope you showed a lot of people that picture

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Speaker 5: of their wedding day with the rainbow over you and

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Speaker 5: your double row.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, Jim, you know it was

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Speaker 3: the coolest part.

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Speaker 4: So for now, that's God work.

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Speaker 3: But you know what's cool for me?

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Speaker 2: I was talking about being in the gray I call

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Speaker 2: it the gray went like my depression, anxiety and the

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Speaker 2: bipolar and ADHD and all of it together. I called

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Speaker 2: the gray right, And I wake up every day like that.

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Speaker 2: So when we start getting married, it's just the two

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Speaker 2: of us.

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Speaker 3: We looped her there to the mouth of coast and

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Speaker 3: it starts getting gray.

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Speaker 2: And I think the old Jay, who didn't do all

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Speaker 2: this work in himself, definitely would have been in the

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Speaker 2: tank and like, oh man, here, man, why me? And

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Speaker 2: here it comes again? Of course I deserve this. But

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Speaker 2: that day I said to Rosie, my wife, I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just starting to drizzle cut gray. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna look at it differently. Maybe this is like our

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Speaker 2: loved ones crying for us. I'm gonna look at us

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Speaker 2: a good way. And literally I said that, and she agreed.

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Speaker 2: And then the skies opened up and gave us this

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Speaker 2: double rainbow to get married under, which is a great

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Speaker 2: thing for me, Like, just have a little faith and

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Speaker 2: sometimes you got to go through the rain to get

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Speaker 2: double rainbows on your biggest day.

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Speaker 3: It was really cool, man.

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Speaker 4: For sure, LICENSE couldn't have it to do a better guy.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man, I don't know about that but

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hey, so, you know, I want to

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Speaker 2: dive into a couple of life lessons here from you,

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Speaker 2: but before that, I do want to ask kind of

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Speaker 2: more culture things. Yeah, so you brought in to obviously

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Speaker 2: redo the culture, if you will, of the Chargers. What's

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Speaker 2: the difference in trying to build a new culture a

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Speaker 2: college program, which you've done several times, and trying to

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Speaker 2: rebuild a culture in an NFL program, which now you're.

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Speaker 3: Doing twice, because hey, cultures everything.

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Speaker 5: There's really not a whole lot of differences between you know,

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Speaker 5: building a strong team in college and in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: much like a family attacking each day with an enthusiasm

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Speaker 5: unknown to mankind together and so many things to it.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, not a lot of I wouldn't say there's

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Speaker 5: many differences between NFL college and your family at home.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're two great loves, right and those those

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Speaker 5: to me are my two great loves, you know, family

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Speaker 5: at home and the family to hear at work.

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Speaker 2: There's two things right here I want to hit first

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Speaker 2: of all, advice, Right, I got this card here, Jim

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Speaker 2: Harpau's advice, and I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and I'm sure you have it in

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Speaker 3: front of your I'm probably probably don't need to have it.

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Speaker 3: Do you have it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right there?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of want to go it because I

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Speaker 2: want to teach people this because I think there's great

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Speaker 2: I think a locker room and what you can learn

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Speaker 2: from football, like I think the rest of the world's

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Speaker 2: messed up in a locker room's not. You know, a

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Speaker 3: You could whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: But man, you will fight it out and love it

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Speaker 2: out and you got no problems in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: It's over in two seconds. So there's so many football

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Speaker 2: lessons that equate. And we're talking about building mental wealth

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Speaker 2: that equate to building mental wealth for the world.

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Speaker 3: So let's go over with us. Let's start first. You

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Speaker 3: have Ted right there every day okay, Yeah, I want

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Speaker 5: Okay, Ted there every day. That's an ackerman. Ted is

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Speaker 5: the ackerman for there every day. And it's just something

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Speaker 5: get better at football by being there. It would take

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Speaker 5: a bone sticking out of your of your body for

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Speaker 5: you not to playing a game and for your teammates

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Speaker 5: to know that you're going to be in that same

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Speaker 4: People can count on you.

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Speaker 5: There's just something about that that that speaks volumes for

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Speaker 5: what kind of teammate you are. And I think the

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Speaker 5: first thing that people look for in a teammate what's

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Speaker 5: Or are they for themselves? I think that's the first

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Speaker 5: thing we try to detect. You know, dogs are really

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Speaker 5: good at it. Dogs are you know, really good at

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Speaker 5: you know, finding out you know, what's in it? What's

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Speaker 4: Are you know, are they gonna are they gonna be

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Speaker 4: nice to me? Are they gonna feed me? Are they

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Speaker 5: And human beings are nine hundred times better at detecting

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Speaker 5: and you know what's in another person's heart.

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Speaker 4: That's really the first thing.

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Speaker 5: That that we in that locker room, that that teams

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Speaker 4: Are they about themselves? Are they are they for us?

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Speaker 3: So it's really consistency. You're looking for consistency, you know

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Speaker 4: Yeah? There every day?

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Speaker 3: I love that. Is there a way to coach that

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Speaker 3: or is that you need?

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Speaker 5: That's a that's a good one. I mean I think

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Speaker 5: everything everything is. We're always a work in progress. We're

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Speaker 5: I would I would say that that's, you know, something

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Speaker 5: that can be self coached. I mean, there's self talk,

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Speaker 5: but it also can be coached in by by somebody

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Speaker 5: you trust, you believe in. So somebody like a coach,

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Speaker 5: a teacher, just a professional. Really, I mean, who's the expert.

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Speaker 5: Who's the expert in? Is it a doctor? If there's

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Speaker 5: something wrong with me, I want to get the advice

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Speaker 5: of my doctor, you know, my personal physician, you know,

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Speaker 5: not not not my butcher, not my barber, not the internet.

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Speaker 3: Definitely not the internet.

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Speaker 5: Who is that expert? And the way I was raised

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Speaker 5: there was I was raised Jay by my dad, Jack Harbaugh.

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Speaker 5: Whoever the expert is, you listen to that person and

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Speaker 5: the subject matter better than you do. I love that,

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Speaker 5: whether that's the professor, where that's the coach, you know,

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Speaker 5: certainly would be would be the doctor, would be my recommendation.

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Speaker 2: I love that too, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: I started coaching Next Martial Arts in like two thousand

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Speaker 2: we teach guys the fighter mentality.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, so in the fighter, what

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Speaker 4: kind of fighting was it? The MM yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So Derwin James our safety. It took me

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Speaker 5: a day and a half.

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Speaker 3: Jay, right, he's one of the guys I trained.

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Speaker 4: Great job.

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Speaker 3: He actually tore my bicep ten and so screw him.

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Speaker 4: You talk about.

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Speaker 3: Tell you to say it took you a day and

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Speaker 5: Okay, day and a half to realize, like everybody, just

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Speaker 5: look at Derwin James and to exactly what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, how he approaches the.

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Speaker 5: Meetings, the training environment, the practice, everything he says, what

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Speaker 5: he wears. I mean, it's it's everything is just to

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Speaker 5: the highest standard and he brings us joy in this enthusiasm.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was like, what are some of the examples,

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Speaker 5: Coach KENO, can I can I wear a hoodie underneath

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Speaker 4: Or can I have my T shirt out? You know? Uh,

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Speaker 4: past my, I know, I don't know what. Why don't

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Speaker 5: Look at Derwin Shade, See how there's a true professional,

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Speaker 5: he attacks and goes about his business. And again it

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Speaker 4: So maybe it's just.

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Speaker 3: But that's the easy ones. That's not the guys.

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Speaker 4: Jay McCarthy said that you talk.

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Speaker 2: About the easy ones, Jim, Come on, they're not all

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Speaker 3: That's the way. They're not all like Derwin or else

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Speaker 5: You know what, though, the smart ones will be like Derwin.

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Speaker 5: You know, the smart ones will be like like Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 4: Know, just pick a guy, pick a guy you know

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Speaker 4: that's that's really doing it the right way, the best way.

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Speaker 5: That's having success. And just you know, here's some simple advice.

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Speaker 5: then go make that person proud of you, you know,

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Speaker 5: because that's gonna be your best self. Really, I mean

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Speaker 5: the hanging around the Johnny Frick arounds, you know, I

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Speaker 5: mean the guys that are you know, on some Bullsmith

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Speaker 5: do it, you know, not not taking care of their bodies,

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Speaker 5: not the not taking care of their family their god

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Speaker 4: You know, that's not your best self.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it could just be that simple, Jay to

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Speaker 5: just to just watch Derwin James, you know.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, find out who the best isn't.

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Speaker 5: Emulate him, you know, and then go see if you

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Speaker 5: can make him proud of you.

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Speaker 3: Man. I love that, you know.

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Speaker 2: I always say, like, find know who the best, doesn't

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Speaker 2: do more than them, but I never thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I know who the best is to make it proud

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Speaker 3: of you. That's I love that, man. That's what. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's I mean.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any way anybody's gonna go surpass

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Speaker 5: Justin Herbert, but yeah, you could. You could emulate him,

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Speaker 5: you could watch him, you could try to keep up

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Speaker 5: with him, you know, and try to make him proud

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Speaker 5: of you. That would be that would be enough for

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Speaker 5: you know. By the way, Dargan has the sting where

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Speaker 5: he's so grateful for the coaching, for the improvement.

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Speaker 2: Like he honestly, man, he's one of the favorite dudes

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get back to your advice here, four keys

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Speaker 3: Bring the Jim Marvo, pick a job you love, don't.

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Speaker 2: I love that contemplating career move jamar Bro says, do

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? Because you do.

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Speaker 4: But it's a great way to see the world, is it.

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Speaker 3: We got so far. Advice from Jamarbor up there every day.

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Speaker 2: The consistency right, four keyst happiness, pick a job you love, don't.

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Speaker 2: that's your next one here, seek such as a parent, teacher, coach, employer.

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Speaker 2: And your last piece of advice. I really love this,

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Speaker 3: Don't get a big head. That's a trap. You just

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Speaker 5: football and then to be uh, to be a professional

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Speaker 5: football player. I mean, you're doing you're doing, You're doing good,

439
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 5: you're doing you're doing well. And if there is something

440
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Speaker 5: you want to work on, you know, just work a

441
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Speaker 5: little bit harder at it and whatever you do, don't

442
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 5: get the big head.

443
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Speaker 4: And I say the same thing to the high school players.

444
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 5: You know that football is mostly what I know, right,

445
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm you know, I keep using examples.

446
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Speaker 4: Of and talking about.

447
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Speaker 5: But as my brother John Harball said, he's never met

448
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 5: and I've never met a high school football player that

449
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 5: played for four years of high school football and ever

450
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 5: regretted it. I never heard anybody say I regret playing

451
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Speaker 5: football for the for the last four years. And I've

452
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 5: heard some guys say, we wishing to have played high

453
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 5: school football. But yeah, maybe that's another subject. But uh yeah,

454
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 5: whoever you are out there, I mean, keep doing.

455
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 4: You it's working.

456
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 5: You want to get better at something, work a little

457
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Speaker 5: harder at it, and whatever you do, don't get a

458
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 5: big head.

459
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Speaker 2: Tell people all the time, Hey, you gotta love yourself

460
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: the funk, which is what you're saying, like, love yourself up,

461
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:07,959
Speaker 2: appreciate who you are.

462
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: It's all.

463
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 5: It's all good, great, and an attitude of gratitude, you know,

464
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Speaker 5: is a is a wonderful thing.

465
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Speaker 4: And it's been great. Where do you live, Jay? I

466
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 4: love Malibu? Okay, so you're here in California.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I'll be hanging trust me, I love it.

468
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 4: It's been great out here. I love it. I love

469
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Speaker 4: it too.

470
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Speaker 5: That's been kind of it seems like half my life

471
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Speaker 5: in the Midwest, half my life in uh in California.

472
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Speaker 4: You know. I love both.

473
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Speaker 5: And a lot of people say how nice the people

474
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Speaker 5: are in the Midwest. Uh, you know, genuine down to earth.

475
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 5: I think the California it means it's right there right

476
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Speaker 5: there with the Midwest for how people treat you, I

477
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 5: mean treat you, treat your good to treat you nice.

478
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Speaker 4: And probably the number one factor here.

479
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 5: They let you be who you are, you know in California,

480
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Speaker 5: So I appreciate that.

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

482
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Speaker 2: Fine, I moved here from New York, and I'd say

483
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Speaker 2: the biggest difference is in LA and again Malible, when

484
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Speaker 2: somebody bumps into you and says excuse me, they really

485
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: mean excuse me.

486
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Speaker 3: I want to New York.

487
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Speaker 4: Hows have good interactions in New York cool too, you know.

488
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the fact that we do live

489
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Speaker 2: in you know, LA now will definitely hook up. I

490
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: will definitely let you pay for some dinners. I have

491
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Speaker 2: no problem with that. We'll be good with that. Well,

492
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: we'll bring up here to Ballible a couple of times.

493
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Speaker 2: But bring up justin Herbert. You've been around a lot

494
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Speaker 2: great quarterbacks, a lot of great players. Yeah, where is

495
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Speaker 2: he different or better than everybody else you've seen? Like

496
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Speaker 2: you said earlier, like man, you're not gonna be able

497
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Speaker 2: to do more than him?

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

499
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Speaker 2: What is it about him that's just different than every

500
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Speaker 2: other quarterback you've worked with?

501
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

502
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Speaker 5: Okay, So my whole life I've been you know, I've

503
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 5: been looking at other you look at other quarterbacks. I mean,

504
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 5: it's the same position that I've played, right, so from

505
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 5: a time seven or eight years old. When I go

506
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 5: out to their punt pass and kick competition, I mean,

507
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Speaker 5: the first thing you do is start sizing everybody up,

508
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Speaker 5: you know, like, well he can throw it further, he can,

509
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 5: I can throw it further and he can, or I

510
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Speaker 5: can run.

511
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Speaker 4: Faster than him, or do it.

512
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Speaker 5: Then when you're on a team, right, I mean you're

513
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 5: on your your Pop Warner team. Who the other guys

514
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 5: tried out for quarterback? You know, let me let me

515
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 5: check them out. You know, like where can I get better?

516
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 5: Where do I need to get better? Go to high school,

517
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 5: it's the same thing. Well he's probably better at me

518
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: right now. But if I you know, I can chip

519
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Speaker 5: away at this and then you know, college, same thing.

520
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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not gonna start as.

521
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Speaker 5: A as a freshman, but uh you know here's the

522
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Speaker 5: good things that that quarterback does. Same in the pros,

523
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Speaker 5: just on and I and then as a coach. I mean,

524
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 5: it's just it's innate in me is to watch quarterbacks

525
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 5: and fundamentally see like can I beat this person out

526
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Speaker 5: or not? You know, where do I need to get

527
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 5: better as a player? You know versus what I'm already

528
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Speaker 5: better than him at and what maybe I can widen

529
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Speaker 5: that margin. Chead Justin Herbert, that quarterback is like, man,

530
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Speaker 5: I would take any gene in his body and try

531
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Speaker 5: raid immediately right on the spot. Colin Kaepernick. I remember

532
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: watching Colin when I was when he's in college, Like

533
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 5: he'd be tough to beat out, you know, So now

534
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: I want him on my team. You know, Justin Herbert

535
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Speaker 5: to me is like, wow, I've never seen anything you

536
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 5: know quite like you know, his talent, his intelligence, his

537
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 5: work ethic, his mindset. I mean there's just I can't

538
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: I can't find any flaws. And then you know, I

539
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 5: watch him and and this has all been going on,

540
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 5: and you know, watching in shorts. You know, we're you know,

541
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Speaker 5: shorts and helmets and stuff. But I've seen him in

542
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Speaker 5: in paths. I've seen it on the tape him doing

543
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 5: the exact same things. Yeah, I'm blown away. He's had

544
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Speaker 5: three he's been in I think three offensive coordinators and

545
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 5: in three years. I mean he's got this stuff picked up, uh,

546
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 5: you know, down in everything, motion, landmarks, snap count and

547
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Speaker 5: not that I haven't even mentioned throwing. I mean, this

548
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 5: guy can you know, threw, oh like an incredible arm talent,

549
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 5: and he can run. The athlete he is, he could

550
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Speaker 5: be a tight end you know, easy or an edge

551
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: rusher even I mean, he's that kind of athletic strong.

552
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: And then you know he works. Did a conditioning test

553
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 5: last week. He smashed it, literally smashed it. It was

554
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 5: it was easy, and he just was sprinting at the

555
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 5: end way in front of you know, of all the

556
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Speaker 5: other big skill players.

557
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Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing. And then he's got this, I

558
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: mean it's like then it's all about the team. You know.

559
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Speaker 5: It's like he really tries to he tried to downplay

560
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 5: you know, him personally and lift others up, you know,

561
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: as opposed to trying to push others down and lift

562
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 5: himself up. It's just so good and every he and

563
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Speaker 5: he'd probably come in and like get mad at me

564
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 5: for saying this, you know, because he's he's one of

565
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: those guys that you know, really wants to spotlight showing,

566
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Speaker 5: you know, on somebody else.

567
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: But uh, that's my assessment right there. I'm away, I

568
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: never bet around anybody better.

569
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: Incredible, incredible, And then in the training environment, like I said, him,

570
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 5: Derwin James and there's been others, but I mean those

571
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: two are have been here every every day, every minute,

572
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 5: you know, every hour, every minute, have been completely engaged

573
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Speaker 5: in whatever we were doing, whether it's the uh, the

574
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Speaker 5: training environment, in the weight room, the meeting room, or

575
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Speaker 5: out on the field.

576
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Speaker 3: I'm blown away that you said Justin Herbert could be

577
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Speaker 3: a defers event.

578
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: He could be an edge rusher, he could be an

579
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: edge rusher, stand up edge rusher.

580
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joey, he's not that I mean, not that far

581
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 5: in strength from like a Joey Bosa klil mack Uh.

582
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 5: He's that type of He's that type of you know,

583
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 5: strong athletic, incredible athlete.

584
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Speaker 2: Last question, coach, I asked all my guests this, give

585
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: me your unbreakable moment, the moment that should have broken.

586
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: You could have broken, you didn't, and as a result,

587
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.

588
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question. And I, like I told you,

589
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that I really have when.

590
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 5: I keep whatever I say to myself, you know, like

591
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 5: that kind of that self talk or if it's don't

592
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 5: get better, get better. I know there are some I

593
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 5: know there's there's some out there that would have you know,

594
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: but it's like when you trip and fall, you know,

595
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 5: you you know, you get back.

596
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: The biggest piece of adversue you've been through.

597
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 5: I almost like look at it like, yeah, maybe a

598
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: lesser man that might have killed a lesser man, you know,

599
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 5: or a lesser athlete you know, might s Yeah I

600
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: didn't kill you that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. There's

601
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 5: there's there's definitely some there. But uh yeah that I

602
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 5: guess I'm proud of, you know, innerly proud of that

603
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 5: I was, you know, able to overcome.

604
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: That's my point. That's what I'm asking for.

605
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: Oh an example, Yeah, yeah, I have to.

606
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: I have to get back to you and that I

607
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: don't have that list in front of myocas.

608
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: You gotta do another podcast, do another one.

609
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: I'll see, I'll put that list together. Yeah. I don't know.

610
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: It's just like I guess, I says, you know, take

611
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: some good, uh feel good about yourself that Yeah, you.

612
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 4: Can, you can get through it.

613
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: You can be proud of your scars. That's the point.

614
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: Like scars are revo. Yeah you know, shoot, yeah, I

615
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 4: got the I love it. You got the broken arm,

616
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: got the crooked arm. You know, you got all all

617
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 4: kind of stuff.

618
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe some things that should have should have broken

619
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 5: the heart, but didn't you know. And yeah, maybe a

620
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: lesser man would have felt fallen down, you know.

621
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, or a less lesser athlete would have

622
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: gone down.

623
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: But I stayed up, kept my feet you know, and

624
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: kept kept charging to the goal line.

625
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: You know. That's that's it. I think that's what we're

626
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: all trying to do. Right. They alive on the wedge, Jay,

627
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: you love specialties, right, yeah, there you go. Now, they

628
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: they kind of reduced that wedge a little bit.

629
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 5: But uh, you know back in the old days, three

630
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: man wedgs and it went to a two man wedge

631
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: and me some had to go in and fly into

632
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: that way.

633
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: You know, that was tough to do.

634
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 5: It's just all we used to say was just just

635
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 5: stay alive.

636
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: On the wedge. Just keep your feet, stay alive.

637
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: That's what I eat those those blocks, and you know

638
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: sometimes you even make the tackle, but uh, let's just

639
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: keep doing that. No, just remind me of that too,

640
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 5: you know. And if you ever need a need a friend,

641
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: let me reach out. Just stay alive on the wedge.

642
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: Jay.

643
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: I like that, brother, Jim Man, I really appreciate it. Man,

644
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: have have fun down there with the Seals.

645
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: They're a special group.

646
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: Man.

647
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: You guys are special to you got you got special.

648
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: People it and like I said, you and I will

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: definitely break some bread out here and the Cally.

650
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Speaker 4: Brother sounds great. Appreciate you having me on, Jay,