Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in
Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens, girl fashion.
Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We ended last week with Champagne. We're kicking off this
Speaker 1: week with the rest of the bottle of the champ
Speaker 1: So this is the recap of episode one, the pilot
Speaker 1: air date September twenty, two thousand and three. Day we realized,
Speaker 1: like jersey number twenty three and wait minute two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, what does like Aluminati? Do they do have purpose? Purpose?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that was Michael Jordan's number.
Speaker 1: So the synopsis is here. We Nathan Scott is Tree
Speaker 1: Hill High's biggest basketball star and he's dating Peyton, a cheerleader,
Speaker 1: and so much more. Nathan's half brother, Lucas joins the
Speaker 1: team and threatens to take both Nathan's spot in the
Speaker 1: lineup and his girl. As if I was nobody's a
Speaker 1: girl that was my own. So grumpy, I have to
Speaker 1: perhaps start in an unconventional place. But we've all just
Speaker 1: watched the Pilot for the first time since two thousand three,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, Craig Shipper is so hot. Joy.
Speaker 1: Its spotted from a mile the way. I was like,
Speaker 1: mmm with him. I was late on the pickup with
Speaker 1: that because I was like, well, he's playing one of
Speaker 1: the grown I was like, he's a grown up. But
Speaker 1: you were like no, no, ladies, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: You were wise beyond your years. Joy. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: like Muslie and his jeans were tight. Yeah, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the denim. Yes, oh god in this first episode. Wow,
Speaker 1: the baggy denim, the cuts of jeans on the men. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on us. I love my jeans. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about, like flares consistently, whether they're
Speaker 1: cool or not cool. Flares are pretty fabulous, But it's
Speaker 1: more the the rise or the lack thereof that I'm
Speaker 1: concerned with. Huggers they were just like they were the
Speaker 1: zippers two and a half inches long above your pubic hair.
Speaker 1: Like we blamed Britney Spears for this. She really yeah,
Speaker 1: she ruined it. For the rest of us. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like because we were in Wilmington, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: are shopping options were not what they were in New
Speaker 1: York or Los Angeles. So we were dealing with like
Speaker 1: being six months behind any cool kid curve. But I
Speaker 1: have to say there's a part of that that worked
Speaker 1: to our advantage because most people don't have access to
Speaker 1: like the you know, it's I mean, that's if you
Speaker 1: live in the city, and that's a priority for you,
Speaker 1: and that's fun and that's a great way to express yourself.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people who just that's
Speaker 1: not a priority, and so I think there's a relatability
Speaker 1: in that as well. We cooked, right, we looked like
Speaker 1: regular kids. At the time. O C had come on
Speaker 1: the air over the summer and had blown up and
Speaker 1: it was all about rich kids, and so that was
Speaker 1: our competition. It was a fantasy element, you know, they
Speaker 1: were so yeah, yeah, we were gap old navy kids,
Speaker 1: more kids, yeah, God, bless that. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the major things that that the fact that we
Speaker 1: were relatable in that way that kept the show on
Speaker 1: the air for so long, that we weren't just a
Speaker 1: fantasy element of Oh, murder and intrigue, and you know,
Speaker 1: as the parents all sleeping with each other, and I
Speaker 1: mean that didn't happen on our show until at least like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. No, There's so many things that I
Speaker 1: never noticed about the show until we just rewatched it,
Speaker 1: like the grooming, the grooming, the grooming between Paul and Jane.
Speaker 1: They have the same hair, and then Chad and Chef
Speaker 1: like the same hair, the same haircut. And guys, when
Speaker 1: when we refer to Chef, we're talking about Craig Cheffer,
Speaker 1: who played Uncle Keith, And yeah, like there's a We
Speaker 1: just watched the scene where they're in Keith's body shop
Speaker 1: and Keith and Lucas have the same hair, and we
Speaker 1: just never knew, never clocked it, never clocked. Speaking of hair,
Speaker 1: Joy and I have very Joy and I would look
Speaker 1: like sisters if we were groomed, because when I showed
Speaker 1: up in Wilmington's, I had curly blonde hair and they
Speaker 1: took one look at me. Yeah, that's not gonna work. No, Like,
Speaker 1: how quickly did they make that decision? It was like
Speaker 1: with him, I'm sure they had made the decision probably
Speaker 1: before I showed up. I mean when I tested I
Speaker 1: was blonde, um, and then they just probably figured out
Speaker 1: they just died as soon as I got there, which
Speaker 1: they did. But did they because I had a feeling
Speaker 1: with having I had seen the pilot. I knew they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let us look exactly like and I was game forward.
Speaker 1: In fact, actually I was super excited about playing this character.
Speaker 1: And I thought like, maybe I'll get Bobby pins and
Speaker 1: stick them in my hair so that my ears will
Speaker 1: stick out, so I'll look like I just wanted to
Speaker 1: add this element of like awkwardness to her. Um. I
Speaker 1: think God I didn't do that because can you imagine,
Speaker 1: like nine years Bobby episode would have had to happen
Speaker 1: like I have a headache all the time. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: the hair was it was a deal because I didn't
Speaker 1: straighten it a lot, and back then there were less
Speaker 1: ums at tools and advances and knowing how to handle
Speaker 1: curly hair and make it straight in the South in
Speaker 1: the humidity, and so I ended up with this very
Speaker 1: flat top, wide bottomed hair that was a strand of
Speaker 1: a strange color. But so right, you know, But you're
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, we'll see as the episodes
Speaker 1: go on. I feel like you had like three different
Speaker 1: hair colors season one, because they kept dying it and
Speaker 1: dying it and dying it, and it was like an
Speaker 1: evolution of hair, and I was trying to like it
Speaker 1: was also weird, like because we didn't all want to
Speaker 1: look alike, and I didn't want to like compete with
Speaker 1: you because you were the blonde one. But I also,
Speaker 1: like was naturally blonde, and so it looked good on
Speaker 1: my skin tone to lean lighter in that way. And
Speaker 1: then we like, then there was a time when we
Speaker 1: totally you went really platinum and then I went blonde.
Speaker 1: But I mean, amas, I wish I had just stayed
Speaker 1: the same color, honestly, like you was read for a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god, I dyed my hair every color in the book.
Speaker 1: You were still black at one point to like, well,
Speaker 1: I dyed my hair black in the summer between seasons
Speaker 1: two and three because you're in the Yeah, I died
Speaker 1: by your black. And I cut bangs and I remember
Speaker 1: even even lightening it. When I came back, it was
Speaker 1: so much darker than it had been. And our boss,
Speaker 1: who shall not be named, we lost his marbles that
Speaker 1: I had cut bangs because he was like all the
Speaker 1: cheerleaders never bad me the job. But day in high
Speaker 1: school I had bangs and they were bitches and but
Speaker 1: it was like it was that funny moment because we
Speaker 1: you know, we were just talking watching the pilot about
Speaker 1: how our hair was kind of this battle well but
Speaker 1: not to bring back Felicity, but it was because that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when she cut off all her hair, they went crazy.
Speaker 1: Kids and might not know about that. Yes, Okay, so
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's a great show called Felicity. If
Speaker 1: you haven't gone back and watched it, you really should.
Speaker 1: Carry Russell isn't dynamite actress. Um, but she had this
Speaker 1: you know, big beautiful, long, curly blonde hair blondish brown here,
Speaker 1: and she she went away one season and cut it off.
Speaker 1: And you know, Michelle Williams did the same thing actually
Speaker 1: in Dawson. She just chopped it all off. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't her hair wasn't and I its own. I mean,
Speaker 1: Harry's hair was like it was an image that was
Speaker 1: instantly recognizable. Nobody else and TV had hair like this. Um,
Speaker 1: So when she chopped it all off without letting anybody know,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of went crazy, and the show's ratings actually
Speaker 1: dropped and they connected it to her hair being which
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Yeah yeah, but we know, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the ratings dropped and it happened to be the same time.
Speaker 1: Heaven forbid the writer's admit they've gotten so just blame
Speaker 1: the actress and her hair. So yeah, So then from
Speaker 1: that point forward, everybody was trying to do recon and
Speaker 1: put into every actress's There was like a hair clause
Speaker 1: in the contracts or something, right like, I feel there's
Speaker 1: something president at a network that's just in charge of
Speaker 1: actress's hair. Like the boys can do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: they want to do. But it was a massive battle
Speaker 1: about hair every episode and curls flyaways, yeah, you can't do.
Speaker 1: And it had to be down down, sexy down approvals.
Speaker 1: Take the polaroid, send it off to l A, make
Speaker 1: sure they approved this hairstyle. It was so crazy and hiller.
Speaker 1: You pointed out so wisely that you know, watching the pilot,
Speaker 1: you'd been fighting to get ponytails of the girls at
Speaker 1: cheer practice. So now looking back at it, the stuff
Speaker 1: that I was fighting about right out of the gates,
Speaker 1: like the audacity of a twenty year old kid to
Speaker 1: be like, hi, um, you're wrong, I feel like I
Speaker 1: can go on to a set today and assert myself.
Speaker 1: But the idea that I was doing that as a child,
Speaker 1: mortified and about hair, like nobody had taught us how
Speaker 1: to pick and choose our battles, which ones do you
Speaker 1: fight for? But also the irony is that at twenty
Speaker 1: you had been a cheerleader two years before, so you
Speaker 1: were that cheerleaders are athletes. When I did, they're doing
Speaker 1: like stunt cheerleaders to make fun of us, like God
Speaker 1: forbid the real cheerleaders out there be like, oh, these
Speaker 1: fake TV cheerleaders. So I was adamant that, like there
Speaker 1: was accuracy. Okay, well, well this is a good segument
Speaker 1: because getting away from hair because you know, we can
Speaker 1: only talk about that, but like speak speaking of hair
Speaker 1: and being speaking of being a cheerleader there, you know.
Speaker 1: Lucas asked Peyton a great question in the PILOTY said,
Speaker 1: why are you a cheerleader? You're the least cheery person
Speaker 1: I know, and I don't always kind of wonder why
Speaker 1: Peyton was a cheerleader. I think that's why we needed Brooke,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I remember having like
Speaker 1: an internal struggle my real senior year in high school
Speaker 1: where I didn't like what cheerleading stood for, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't like being in the passive role of cheering on
Speaker 1: someone else. But all my best friends did it, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was like a way for us to hang
Speaker 1: out after school, go on trips together. You know. It
Speaker 1: was a thing that connected us, and I could make
Speaker 1: fun of it because I was one of them. You
Speaker 1: can't make fun of a cheerleader when you're not a
Speaker 1: cheerleader and not sound like a total asshole. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess other people do, but so so it made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for me for Brooke to be
Speaker 1: introduced because she was the anchor for Peyton. It was like,
Speaker 1: if my mom's dead and I'm a nightmare and the
Speaker 1: one person in my life I can rely on does
Speaker 1: this dumb thing, I guess I'll do this dumb thing too.
Speaker 1: But when we shot the pilot, you weren't there yet,
Speaker 1: and so I had to go over to a high
Speaker 1: school in Wilmington, and you know, I'm like a twenty
Speaker 1: year old VJ, you know, and it's like all these
Speaker 1: real fifteen and sixteen year olds and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so just hang out with these girls after school, and
Speaker 1: so part of me felt like a predator. I was like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing hanging out with these children? You know? Um?
Speaker 1: But like in the pilot, that was a real high
Speaker 1: school cheerleading squad. That was the area. I'd love to
Speaker 1: know what those girls are doing now, Like how weird
Speaker 1: it must be for them to see their childhood experience
Speaker 1: like played out on TV. Like Bevan grew up in
Speaker 1: Wilmington's she kind of had a tap on it. But
Speaker 1: was that anyone's childhood experience? Though? Like what we just
Speaker 1: saw is that. I mean, obviously we know it's heightened
Speaker 1: for television, but I'm trying to imagine in my high
Speaker 1: school something like that. Actually, yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: feel like the the experience, I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. We did say during the viewing that we
Speaker 1: were like, god, we all thought it was so scandalous
Speaker 1: that there is this idea that this guy would have
Speaker 1: knocked up two women and would have two kids. And
Speaker 1: then we're like, people have whole other families now. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because at the time we were like, this
Speaker 1: is so crazy. But I also think there is that
Speaker 1: real element of when you are in high school it
Speaker 1: is your whole world. Stakes feel so so high. The
Speaker 1: stakes are so high because that's that's the entire scope
Speaker 1: of your universe and your experience. So I almost feel
Speaker 1: like the stakes of the rivalry and who gets to
Speaker 1: play on the sports team, it they felt high. They
Speaker 1: were dramatized because really, you know, when you're young, you're
Speaker 1: just like I want to fit in and I want
Speaker 1: to belong and I want my family to be okay,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's pretty real for a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Sticks still fell high for us at twenty,
Speaker 1: being on that set, not that far out of high school.
Speaker 1: So I mean those hormones and those emotions and the
Speaker 1: feeling of everything really big. I mean, you were talking
Speaker 1: about buying your first car. Well, and I had gone
Speaker 1: to a really big sports high school like Parkview High
Speaker 1: School went to States in football and we were like
Speaker 1: machines and and so we went to States and cheered
Speaker 1: and had those big, huge moments. So for me, I
Speaker 1: felt like I knew it better than the adults who
Speaker 1: were writing about it, because I was like, guys, I
Speaker 1: was literally just here, you know, like this looks like um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I was so like bossy
Speaker 1: about it, but nobody was like that good looking, do
Speaker 1: you know what? Like? For me, the hard part was
Speaker 1: the beauty element of it, because I look back at
Speaker 1: pictures of real high school and we should definitely post
Speaker 1: our real high school pictures because it wasn't cute house
Speaker 1: that guys, my brown, super crunchy hair. You know, the
Speaker 1: year I thought I could have a bob and learned
Speaker 1: that that's a real bad haircut on me. My junior
Speaker 1: year in high school. You know, junior year in high school.
Speaker 1: It's a picture so bad I'll show the two of you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I wasn't down the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like chunky highlights. Yes, did you like twisted back
Speaker 1: with the butterfly? I did that in middle school for sure.
Speaker 1: Good god, no, dude. It all comes back to Hairman
Speaker 1: for such identity in it. It was one of the
Speaker 1: few things that we felt like we could control as
Speaker 1: the girls. Because we could control what we said, we
Speaker 1: couldn't control like what we were wearing necessarily when our
Speaker 1: characters had to do. I mean that moment for you
Speaker 1: in the pilot. Okay, so yeah, when we were watching
Speaker 1: the pilot, there's a scene where Peyton comes out of
Speaker 1: the bathroom after um Nathan and it's like high Mr Scott.
Speaker 1: And so when we when I first got the job,
Speaker 1: it was called Ravens. We've talked about this and the
Speaker 1: arc throughout everything was narrated by Barry Corbyn, by Whitey,
Speaker 1: and he was describing everything that happened in the town
Speaker 1: to his dead wife Camilla, and that was which we did,
Speaker 1: who we didn't find out was dead until the end
Speaker 1: of the pilot. Oh, you're totally right, right, But that
Speaker 1: was the tone. It was like a really sweet, you know,
Speaker 1: like small town, all shucks kind of show. But they
Speaker 1: were trying to capitalize on the popularity of eight Mile
Speaker 1: and they wanted it to be like an all shocks town,
Speaker 1: but with this eight Mile underbelly of the kid from
Speaker 1: the Wrong Side of the Tracks. Never in any of
Speaker 1: that was there a sexy element, right, And so I
Speaker 1: felt totally safe just being like okay, yeah, go and
Speaker 1: be the cranky girl. So then when the o C
Speaker 1: got popular and we had to turn up the sexy,
Speaker 1: it was like a bait and switch, like do we
Speaker 1: get to say, like, do we get to have an
Speaker 1: opinion about it? And we didn't. We just had to
Speaker 1: turn up the sexy, which like, thankfully we're all really
Speaker 1: sexy in our flat shoes and our like corduroy skirts.
Speaker 1: That was hard. That was hard for us as young
Speaker 1: women who were all like we were all relatively like prudish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in our you know, in our activity, and so
Speaker 1: when we were to get into that environment and we
Speaker 1: have to play this like I don't know older male
Speaker 1: idea of what a young teenage high school girl who
Speaker 1: could be in a dream world or maybe was maybe
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: of that was that how much of it was experience
Speaker 1: of um girls that maybe they knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: we just weren't like or I just I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody who's having sex in high school? Did you did?
Speaker 1: But like I also think it for the people who were,
Speaker 1: but it was talking about late and it was a
Speaker 1: big deal every God. I my very first boyfriend, who
Speaker 1: I dated until I was a senior in high school,
Speaker 1: was my best friend from summer camp since the age
Speaker 1: of nine, like my sweet sweet like high school sweetheart
Speaker 1: who for years I was like, I'm still not ready.
Speaker 1: It was like it's okay, like just such a friend
Speaker 1: a true gentleman, and it's funny to think, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I dated three people by
Speaker 1: the time we got on our show, Like what you
Speaker 1: would never casually come out of the shower in front
Speaker 1: of their powers, in front of your boyfriends father, Like
Speaker 1: how dare you lead in the shower at your boyfriend's
Speaker 1: the first place? No, I shower with my clothes on.
Speaker 1: In fact, I also just love I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: tell the listeners because it's a fun one to watch
Speaker 1: when you come out of said seeing where Paul is
Speaker 1: really just ripping into James because he has by the way,
Speaker 1: the one episode where James has a nipple ring bagap
Speaker 1: artists had to glue onto his chest, by the way,
Speaker 1: gross and like serious things are gross, just like you
Speaker 1: having a fake one glued on as gross and no
Speaker 1: one liked it and so they never referred to it again.
Speaker 1: You walk out of the bathroom and you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: look at the game ra They're like, can you cheat out?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, absolutely not, Like I'm mortified right now,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping this gets caught. I'm mortified by this fake situation,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to play it. Like I still,
Speaker 1: as a married woman, couldn't do that, just like treeps
Speaker 1: by in my towel in front of my father in law,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, and I was so blue say no,
Speaker 1: I would never yeah you in front of you guys,
Speaker 1: but like in laws, Oh my god, it makes me
Speaker 1: shame me. Also, like, like looking back on it, Paul
Speaker 1: was also a viable option, like Paul's the same age
Speaker 1: as my husband, and so like like the whole element
Speaker 1: of like trapesing around like semi dressed was just so
Speaker 1: loaded and weird, and I remember that feeling of I
Speaker 1: was never allowed to watch these shows growing up, and
Speaker 1: here I am like right smack dab in the middle
Speaker 1: of it, and this one's potentially worse than what I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to watch. The heroine too, you're the you're
Speaker 1: the one that we're watching, and like, you know, off
Speaker 1: the bat the second the first episode aired, and the
Speaker 1: reaction to Peyton was so bad because it really was.
Speaker 1: The reaction to her was so yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're like, we're going to have to take you dark, right,
Speaker 1: and then you'll have a moral arc where you you know,
Speaker 1: like come back around and people will understand why you're
Speaker 1: such an asshole. But that's kind of great though, Like
Speaker 1: as as an actor, that's that we understand that now,
Speaker 1: but back then, yeah, you know, you're like people hate me,
Speaker 1: you know, like the chat boards remember the chat boards, Yes,
Speaker 1: just pages. It's a hideous place. So people are so
Speaker 1: cruel and the irony that that we clearly are not
Speaker 1: in control. I mean we did over the years have
Speaker 1: to go so hard in the paint for our characters,
Speaker 1: and when we would win a battle, it was really
Speaker 1: like winning a war, and and there would be people
Speaker 1: online being like I can't believe you did that. It's like,
Speaker 1: well I didn't want to, Mr Jersey, oh seven six, Like, god,
Speaker 1: do you think I chose this, choose this for me?
Speaker 1: I did not choose this choice. And if they known
Speaker 1: how bad it was supposed to be to become and
Speaker 1: so like that the new normal that this show created,
Speaker 1: of like parents not being around, of like casual sexuality
Speaker 1: and stuff, it's something that I'm really happy we've been
Speaker 1: so open about with with conventions and things like that,
Speaker 1: because I never wanted teenage girls to feel like they
Speaker 1: were behind the eight ball or that they were like
Speaker 1: missing out on something. Because I'm like, do you want
Speaker 1: to see pictures of eleventh grade? For real? Because it
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of that a lot because we knew
Speaker 1: that we were we were speaking to a young audience,
Speaker 1: and I was constantly having conversations about like, young girls
Speaker 1: look up to me and to this character, you know,
Speaker 1: me as this character, and I'm nervous about a B
Speaker 1: or C because I don't want them to think that
Speaker 1: that's like normal or okay, or that they should be
Speaker 1: treated that way or that they should you know, subjective
Speaker 1: and and you know, the conversation between as an actor
Speaker 1: portraying a character, and you want to show that the
Speaker 1: character has an arc, so your character has to have
Speaker 1: flaws and they've got to learn things and go through things.
Speaker 1: So yes, you don't want to be perfect all the time.
Speaker 1: But you also there was this sort of moral responsibility
Speaker 1: that we felt, and it was tough. That was really
Speaker 1: tough to navigate as a young woman. And I remember
Speaker 1: also the excitement of feeling our first sense of permission
Speaker 1: to be a little wild, because like we you and
Speaker 1: I are Bert, you know, Hillary and I have my birthdays.
Speaker 1: The week apart, we turned twenty one, and we started
Speaker 1: working a week later, filming. We were already in women.
Speaker 1: It was first night. We went to Level five, which
Speaker 1: was this cool bar on top of a theater, and
Speaker 1: we ordered drinks and looked at each other like we
Speaker 1: had just gotten murder. They were like, can we see
Speaker 1: your I d s? And we were like yep. Even
Speaker 1: we were like, are they going to get rejected? Are
Speaker 1: they going to know they're real? And they gave us
Speaker 1: cocktails and we looked at each other like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It worked. It worked. It was magic, Like we had
Speaker 1: money to buy our own three. It was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I mean we didn't. I wish we'd had
Speaker 1: like phones cameras at the time because we'd have so
Speaker 1: many memories on our Also like a lot of blackmail,
Speaker 1: you know, looking back at the show now just watching
Speaker 1: it objectively, Joy, you were really good to point out,
Speaker 1: like the structure of it is so good and there
Speaker 1: was nothing else like it on TV at the time.
Speaker 1: The parallels between what each boy is going through, the
Speaker 1: way they cut back and forth on the courts, but
Speaker 1: the cars and the buses, um that the connection between
Speaker 1: the two older brothers the two younger brothers, how they
Speaker 1: that whole dynamic I was really strong. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of wildlife in this episode. Joy got attacked
Speaker 1: my pigeons. There was an alligator in some scene. It
Speaker 1: was what was your pigeon experience? Oh, we had some
Speaker 1: guy out there with the pigeon strange, so that was okay.
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know it's called, that
Speaker 1: was called a steady shot. It was a steadicam shot.
Speaker 1: It was It was a one er is what we
Speaker 1: call it. Because there's no coverage, which means the camera's
Speaker 1: not popping in on Chad's face and then my face
Speaker 1: to get each of our lines. It's just one camera
Speaker 1: set up and we do do the scene and we
Speaker 1: walk through and say our dialogue and once when it's over,
Speaker 1: we're done. And by the way, baller for the steadicam operator,
Speaker 1: because what that means is that there's a guy wearing
Speaker 1: a camera strap to his chest, walking backwards looking in
Speaker 1: a monitor at you and Chad in a two shot
Speaker 1: that never cuts, never moves, has to be perfectly timed,
Speaker 1: and this man has to trust the guy who's dragging
Speaker 1: him by the vest enough to just look at the
Speaker 1: two of you and walk backwards blindly. It's it's so hard,
Speaker 1: it's so hard and it's got to be perfect one
Speaker 1: years and if somebody cops or sneezes and doesn't make
Speaker 1: it work in the scene, you gotta start all over
Speaker 1: against pigeons. And so we're doing this one er on
Speaker 1: the steadicam and we had the guy with the pigeons,
Speaker 1: and there was like always a thing it just couldn't
Speaker 1: We could never get it to work, and it was
Speaker 1: so frustrating. I don't know what. They would fly in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction or like he'd open the cage and
Speaker 1: they just walk out like it was never anything right.
Speaker 1: So finally it worked and then you know, we continued
Speaker 1: on with the scene. But yeah, I had that was
Speaker 1: my pigeon wildlife experience. What was your? I had the gator? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my was it my first day. We was either my
Speaker 1: first or second day, but it was my first real
Speaker 1: day of like acting. I may have done some like
Speaker 1: you know, like extra work in a different scene, but
Speaker 1: my first real day of acting was that roadside scene
Speaker 1: where my car's broken down. It's just Chad and I
Speaker 1: and Chad had been on Gilmore Girls, he'd been on Dawson's.
Speaker 1: He'd done that like a Hailey Dolphin movie or something around,
Speaker 1: you know, like he'd done so much work, and so
Speaker 1: our director was a very big time director, Brian Gordon,
Speaker 1: and I knew he'd done some like HBO stuff and
Speaker 1: he was a very big deal. And I had not
Speaker 1: done a chemistry read with anyone. I hadn't tested. I
Speaker 1: had done this, you know, one little part on Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 1: I had done, you know, my scene study classes in
Speaker 1: New York for the last two years, but mostly it
Speaker 1: was theater where you've got a really big space to
Speaker 1: move around and rehearsal time. Yeah, so Chad and I
Speaker 1: get called to set and I knew my lines coming
Speaker 1: and going right. We go down there. They put us
Speaker 1: on these marks, which are like little, you know, pieces
Speaker 1: of tape in the shape of a cross, and they're like,
Speaker 1: hit this, don't you dare look at it because the
Speaker 1: camera's point it at you. You just have to feel it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, unless it's a wide shot, there's like
Speaker 1: a little dot the size of your half your finger.
Speaker 1: And they ripped the tape tea off and they're like,
Speaker 1: see this little dot we left you and you're like
Speaker 1: in the grass, in the grass smaller than my pinky nail.
Speaker 1: So they everyone's like just like telling me all these things,
Speaker 1: and no one realized I didn't know the business at all, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to hit a mark. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to find my light. I didn't know any
Speaker 1: of this. And while we're in the midst of the
Speaker 1: very first rehearsal, a gator is swimming up to Chad
Speaker 1: and I and no one is clocking it, like no
Speaker 1: one's saying a word in the marsh, in the mar
Speaker 1: right there in the water, and I'm like, anybody, nobody, nobody, anybody.
Speaker 1: And I was distracted right like larranted. So we end rehearsal.
Speaker 1: I go to my trailer. I knew it was bad.
Speaker 1: Like I knew it was a bad rehearsal because the
Speaker 1: just the lingo they were using. I kept having to ask, like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about pulling focus? Like what does
Speaker 1: that even mean? I had no idea. The director comes
Speaker 1: to my trailer bang bang bang bang bang bang bang,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, He's like I need to
Speaker 1: talk to you. You didn't know your lines? Yes, I
Speaker 1: knew my lines, but there was like a lot going on,
Speaker 1: like there's an alligator, sir, don't you ever waste my
Speaker 1: time or the cruised time again, and I was like
Speaker 1: I cried and then I had to pull it together
Speaker 1: and like, oh, it's just like the worst scary say.
Speaker 1: But I never didn't know my lines again, like like
Speaker 1: my whole career. It was a great note to get
Speaker 1: your very first day. Um it. For the record, I
Speaker 1: knew my lines. I just had an alligator coming out.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is that the requirement is you
Speaker 1: have to be unflappable, yeah, no matter what. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's that's a hard skill to learn. It was the
Speaker 1: first day, no one. But the thing is when you
Speaker 1: go on to a job, no one realizes it's your
Speaker 1: first day because it's not their first day. They've been
Speaker 1: doing this for years. Like you're just welcome to the circus, kid,
Speaker 1: and so um it definitely set the tone for me
Speaker 1: of crew first, always crew first, be a team player,
Speaker 1: don't ever waste anyone's time. I think that probably plagued
Speaker 1: me a little bit the whole course of shooting because
Speaker 1: I was then I tried to overcompensate, so I'd be
Speaker 1: like I'll advocate for every department, you know, like I'll
Speaker 1: fight your battles for you because I'm on your team, remember,
Speaker 1: but it all came down to that freaking gator. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean people die all the time getting eaten by
Speaker 1: gators and welming today. I know that happened all that
Speaker 1: ya like Greenfield Lake, Yeah, yeah, the yeah, no, there
Speaker 1: was a bad There were some bad stories about like
Speaker 1: I remember maybe maybe this has been created in my brain,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that we lived there. There was a
Speaker 1: story about somebody walking their dog around Greenfield like and
Speaker 1: the dog got snatched, but the person's arm was in
Speaker 1: the leash and so when the dog was getting rolled
Speaker 1: by the gate or the person walking, it was also drowned.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm never going there ever,
Speaker 1: I'm never going This is a mythology that's so fun
Speaker 1: about shooting at a small town because I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I heard it did. It was also just such
Speaker 1: a crazy thing because I remember, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: obviously shot the pilot. You do pilots in the spring, guys,
Speaker 1: so like March usually, so it's chili still in Wilmington's
Speaker 1: in March. But then when we got there to start
Speaker 1: shooting properly, enjoy when you had to shoot all your
Speaker 1: pilot scenes, you know, do all those those reshoots. Um,
Speaker 1: it was July. You know, it's a hundred degrees. It's
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. But you're shooting a show that's going
Speaker 1: to be airing on TV in September. So you're wearing
Speaker 1: Kashmir sweaters and leather jackets and they're like, could you
Speaker 1: stop sweating the camera guys, and you're like, I wish
Speaker 1: I could help you. I'm so sorry. Another thing to
Speaker 1: know is that our show was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: mid season replacement January, That's right, And that's why we
Speaker 1: were all just for winter because we were supposed to
Speaker 1: come on the air in January, and so we were
Speaker 1: filming in July. We had a six month lead and
Speaker 1: another show got canned and so they put us on
Speaker 1: the air right away in September. But that meant that
Speaker 1: we were filming an episode and then it would air
Speaker 1: like two or three weeks later. It was so there
Speaker 1: was no way to adjust for like reaction, you know,
Speaker 1: to like like crowd reaction and stuff like that. We
Speaker 1: you know, it was so um. I just remember being
Speaker 1: so nervous up Peyton because I like, everybody hates her.
Speaker 1: Everybody hates her. I'm on set reading about how everyone
Speaker 1: hates her and like we're still in the midst of
Speaker 1: like being a big jerk, you know, man. So it
Speaker 1: was yeah, that was scary. There was no promotion for
Speaker 1: the show, and that was yeah, because every week the
Speaker 1: street cred Man. Every week the viewership jumped in ways
Speaker 1: that we all were like, what's happening. And when we
Speaker 1: first because obviously you you you ushered us in Hill
Speaker 1: to the whole world of MTV and I will never
Speaker 1: forget when we went and did that first t r
Speaker 1: L and the people at MTV were like, last time
Speaker 1: we had a crowd this big was for eminem And
Speaker 1: we were like, I mean Times Square was I've never
Speaker 1: seen a crowd like it, and we were like, this
Speaker 1: is for us. Yeah. I was like, I remember being
Speaker 1: really confused. I was like having a panicked I was
Speaker 1: sweating because I was that for others paid people to
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm like, well, no, then every movie
Speaker 1: would have done that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: we didn't have those crowds for anybody else. It was
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they were for us. I just
Speaker 1: thought Time Square was packed. And we pulled up and
Speaker 1: I got out and I was like, man, this is crazy,
Speaker 1: what is going on? And I got out and I
Speaker 1: saw somebody in the in the immediate crowd surrounding us,
Speaker 1: holding up a poster that was Nathan and Haley, and
Speaker 1: I just was like, what wait. They were holding up
Speaker 1: posters for all of us in all different ways, but
Speaker 1: that was just the one that my eyes saw that
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, wait, these people are here
Speaker 1: for us, especially because we were just in this little town. Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, we were laughing so hard, you guys watching
Speaker 1: the pilot, just thinking about all the shenanigans of our
Speaker 1: lives there. And like one of the things that's so
Speaker 1: funny about Wilmington, it's a college town and it's a
Speaker 1: retirement so like it was us one, and then it
Speaker 1: was a bunch of nineteen year old kids at U
Speaker 1: n c W and and then it was a bunch
Speaker 1: of people's like dad's and grandpas on the golf course.
Speaker 1: I kissed those and so it was kind of just us,
Speaker 1: like all we had was each other, literally for better
Speaker 1: or worse, and oh man, we just had no perspective
Speaker 1: on anything outside of our little bubble in this little place.
Speaker 1: And then we got to New York and there were
Speaker 1: thousands of people in the streets outside of a building
Speaker 1: where we were going to do press, and we were like,
Speaker 1: what is this. It was like being in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy. I remember other people talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: your life's about to change, and I'm like, well, I've
Speaker 1: been on TV since I graduated high school, Like what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know I do live TV.
Speaker 1: You know I get the reaction right away, So to
Speaker 1: do something where the reaction was delayed was weird because
Speaker 1: then it really was so much bigger. And I had
Speaker 1: a boyfriend fiance at the time who came to visit
Speaker 1: and was like riding a skateboard around our base camp,
Speaker 1: and I remember, our boss is going he won't last long.
Speaker 1: They knew our life was about to change enough that
Speaker 1: I would just like cast off the old skin and
Speaker 1: turn into something different. I never felt like, I mean,
Speaker 1: did you guys feel like your lives? Your lives did
Speaker 1: change all of a sudden because I we were only
Speaker 1: in that I was making decisions a hundred percent on
Speaker 1: my own for the first time, like where I wanted
Speaker 1: to live, you know. I went shopping for a car
Speaker 1: with Brian Greenberg. In those first couple episodes, I remember
Speaker 1: I was looking at like a mountaineer. Did they even
Speaker 1: make mountaineers anymore? It's kind of like a jeep, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a range of not a range
Speaker 1: of over I which to call it. Um, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's like a jeepy kind of it's like a sport
Speaker 1: utility super like a super room girl. I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I think a mountaineers, like I think I was just
Speaker 1: like just pumped to like hang out Greenberg because he
Speaker 1: was so cool, you know. And so we were like
Speaker 1: shopping for cars and then I was too scared to
Speaker 1: actually spend money on a car from a car lot
Speaker 1: because I wasn't convinced scary to spend money. I bought
Speaker 1: like a fifteen hundred dollar nineteen eighties six Mercedes that
Speaker 1: had the crank windows, you know, and that's what we
Speaker 1: would like drive into work. And yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: felt extravagant. At the time. I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who we wanted to be. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal at that age. Like, you know, we all
Speaker 1: had different personalities, but you also we were looking up
Speaker 1: to other public figures at the time. And two the
Speaker 1: things that we saw in the magazines and we want
Speaker 1: around us. I didn't know. I mean, I there were
Speaker 1: things I admired about you. There are things I admired
Speaker 1: about you. I just I and I remember like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me copy that and see if that feels right
Speaker 1: in my skin. Now that feels that doesn't feel right
Speaker 1: trying on a sweater? Yes, And look at magazine and
Speaker 1: be like, let me try that on and see. And
Speaker 1: I think every teenage girl can relate to that. We're
Speaker 1: all trying on different suits to see which one. I
Speaker 1: felt so confused, too, because to your point, everyone around
Speaker 1: us kept telling us our lives were changing. But I
Speaker 1: I just felt like I had no idea what that meant.
Speaker 1: And I think part of it for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I I grew up my whole life. I went to
Speaker 1: an all girls school with fifty girls and my graduating
Speaker 1: classics I wore uniforms like I didn't have any of
Speaker 1: the experiences we were portraying. And I had. Oh. I
Speaker 1: had never been in a class with boys. I my
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart was my best friend from camp since
Speaker 1: I was nine. I'd never been lied to. I'd never
Speaker 1: had anyone try to sell me anything. I went to
Speaker 1: college and I wanted to have the opposite experience, so
Speaker 1: I went to USC. I thought sororities were lame, but
Speaker 1: my best friends were joining one. So I did just
Speaker 1: like you as a cheerleader, but I was the philanthropy
Speaker 1: chair of my sorority because I can't help but be
Speaker 1: a nerd. I like camps, and I dated a boy
Speaker 1: all through all through college who was a computer programmer.
Speaker 1: Like we were just so cute. I had no I
Speaker 1: had like these dreams of making the kinds of movies
Speaker 1: I loved, and and I remembered, like, you know, watching
Speaker 1: my so called life and loving Clear Danes and thinking
Speaker 1: she was so talented, and she went on to do
Speaker 1: movies I respected, and and I thought maybe someday that
Speaker 1: could happen. And then suddenly we were on TV and
Speaker 1: everyone was saying it was happening, but like we were
Speaker 1: just going to work every day and like get getting
Speaker 1: offered sweet tea at like the local furniture store where
Speaker 1: you and I joy were like hunting for antiques and
Speaker 1: nothing the Ivy and John market, right, But like I,
Speaker 1: everyone was saying it was changing, but I still kind
Speaker 1: of felt like a little kid, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: anyone to know. I felt like a little kids. I
Speaker 1: was trying so hard to be about me too. I see,
Speaker 1: I had come from MTV, where you were looked down on.
Speaker 1: If you hung out with the talent, it made you
Speaker 1: like a Starker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it made you a Starker.
Speaker 1: And I was so against that, and so for me,
Speaker 1: it was really hard to be on the other side
Speaker 1: of the talent. I didn't like how people were like
Speaker 1: treating me and I didn't like I didn't like feeling
Speaker 1: like I was being coddled. God, you had so much perspective.
Speaker 1: And at that time, the only way MTV would let
Speaker 1: me do the show is if I worked Monday. I
Speaker 1: worked Sunday. That's right. I forgot about that. So it
Speaker 1: was hard for me to connect with anyone because I
Speaker 1: was always gone because I worked. We we shot in
Speaker 1: the high school on Sundays so we could get the gym. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We worked Sunday through Thursday. Friday morning, at six am,
Speaker 1: I'd fly to New York. I would film like three
Speaker 1: different shows and then i'd work again Saturday morning, and
Speaker 1: I'd fly home Saturday night and then like go out
Speaker 1: and then go to work again on Sunday and I
Speaker 1: did it for the first two seasons, and it was
Speaker 1: so unsustainable. I mean, and by the way, you're being
Speaker 1: kind about that schedule, because let me just tell you
Speaker 1: all listening at home something. These basketball days in the
Speaker 1: average for us as girls, because we have a two
Speaker 1: hour pre call, we would film for sixteen hours in
Speaker 1: the gym, meaning we would work an eighteen hour day
Speaker 1: and be told that's normal. It's on an hour quote
Speaker 1: unquote Monday, which means that because the later you shoot
Speaker 1: every day, the later your call the next day has
Speaker 1: to be. By Friday, we'd be going into work at
Speaker 1: four pm, starting at six pm, shooting until four or
Speaker 1: five am on Saturday. So hill are you are on
Speaker 1: Friday night, Friday morning, Thursday night in to Friday morning,
Speaker 1: we'd shoot until four or five sometimes six am, and
Speaker 1: you would go straight from set to the free in airport.
Speaker 1: I didn't look to fly. I think the course of
Speaker 1: the season like I just disintegrate like a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And I can see it joined to your point. It's
Speaker 1: what you were saying about knowing what you were going
Speaker 1: through personally, Like I watched myself trying so hard to
Speaker 1: spin all the plates um so then by like season
Speaker 1: three when I was like, guys, right in here and
Speaker 1: then I just commit to the show. Season three really
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite seasons because I was just
Speaker 1: able to do one thing and it felt nice and
Speaker 1: I got to cut my hair. It felt so nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was you forget how bad you wanted
Speaker 1: it as a kid, and we were all trying so
Speaker 1: hard to be these grown ups who deserved this position.
Speaker 1: That we never said no to anything. Anything they asked
Speaker 1: of us. Anything they said was normal. Anything they told
Speaker 1: us we had to do, by the way, I even
Speaker 1: think about like any question I was asked, like when
Speaker 1: we would do press and they would interview us, when
Speaker 1: no one ever told us you don't have to answer
Speaker 1: a question if someone asks it, So like yeah, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: that feels personal. Um okay, Like we just wanted to
Speaker 1: be good so badly. We didn't realize at times we
Speaker 1: were like coming apart of the seams. I think messy
Speaker 1: is what made us really relatable, was like, oh I
Speaker 1: feel her pain. We all just carried different pain. I loved.
Speaker 1: I still love when people are like I feel like
Speaker 1: me and Broke, or me and Peyton, or me and Haley.
Speaker 1: I feel like we would be friends. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love that. That's my favorite feedback, the Peyton crying
Speaker 1: in her car. I guess there's like a meme of
Speaker 1: me crying in a car. And my son every night
Speaker 1: at seven pm gets online with his best friend and
Speaker 1: they look at memes that like they watch YouTube videos
Speaker 1: and like that's what fifth grade boys do. And so
Speaker 1: I guess at some point my son got curious and
Speaker 1: like saw a Peyton crying in her car meme and
Speaker 1: so like eleven year old Guss is like, why were
Speaker 1: you always just crying in a car? And what's kind
Speaker 1: of great is like I know now why Peyton's like
Speaker 1: always like super messy, but it wasn't explained in this pilot. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean I liked that when I
Speaker 1: watched the pilot, I liked that because I thought there's
Speaker 1: really somewhere to go, Like, I want to understand this girl.
Speaker 1: Why did she always empathetic? Didn't have the reaction that
Speaker 1: apparently a lot of other people thought she was so cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought we were such a I always was like
Speaker 1: I was like, Hilary is so grown up and she's
Speaker 1: so cool and her arms are so long and slender.
Speaker 1: How did she get like that? She knows how to
Speaker 1: use bom bombs and shows me like I just want
Speaker 1: I just wanted to follow you around like a puppy.
Speaker 1: I was like, teach me stuff. Can I go to
Speaker 1: bars with you? You're like, I just felt like, didn't
Speaker 1: you feel like she knew everything I didn't? Those guys?
Speaker 1: I was so I was intended by Joy because Joy
Speaker 1: had been in Thinner and I had remembered like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like a movie, like a big deal. You were
Speaker 1: the four that's amazing. I was so intimidated by your
Speaker 1: theater acto. I was just like, Wow, she keeps talking
Speaker 1: on all these plays and I haven't never seen any
Speaker 1: of these. I don't know anything about musical theater or
Speaker 1: like cool. I felt like, yeah, it's interesting thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I just felt like I had so much to learn
Speaker 1: from you about weird now. I told I was I
Speaker 1: felt like what I had said before, where I was
Speaker 1: just kind of terrified inside and just like you know,
Speaker 1: looking at both of you and in On, like I
Speaker 1: thought you were both so cool and so like with it,
Speaker 1: and so like you were so stylish. Yeah, so with
Speaker 1: her no back blouses like Sophia had an orange halterneck top.
Speaker 1: That's why it cut T shirts were cool, and that
Speaker 1: was a T shirt that had been cut up by
Speaker 1: some girl in l A and the neck was the
Speaker 1: arm holes. You guys, like a man's extra large T
Speaker 1: shirt and you'd like put the arm holes on your neck.
Speaker 1: I felt so cool because a girl who was older
Speaker 1: than me in college, who was in my sorority like
Speaker 1: taking me to this T shirt shop and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I'm an adult on TV. I should
Speaker 1: wear this in public and put my face through some
Speaker 1: guy's arms, Like, oh my god, it's no. But you
Speaker 1: also were like the pie piper of all the dudes
Speaker 1: on the show with that shirt. Like I remember a
Speaker 1: caravan from the river View Suites to the Rhino Club
Speaker 1: up on Market and just they were all following you
Speaker 1: like ducklings. It's just like the shirts killing it. We
Speaker 1: had watched hipp Top, your episodes of Nipped Hawk we're airing,
Speaker 1: and we've only watched them together. And then we went,
Speaker 1: because we were twenty one in Bonafide to a bar
Speaker 1: to celebrate, and we were like, we're getting cocktails, and
Speaker 1: Greenberg played his guitar god Les Greenberg being you know
Speaker 1: in every so cool there's one guy with the guitar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was our Greenberg. He was our guy, but not
Speaker 1: like like Jake's character was not overly romantic. You know
Speaker 1: those guys there's always a guy with the guitar who
Speaker 1: really like he's like, I'm the guy with Greenberg is
Speaker 1: not that guy. He was just always always seems so
Speaker 1: self confident and just sort of in his own skin.
Speaker 1: He was just cool. And he was like covering Elliott
Speaker 1: Smith songs, that's right. He was good for the music recommendation.
Speaker 1: He had really cute friends. Like when we would come
Speaker 1: up to New York for MTV, Greenberg would be like,
Speaker 1: We're going to meet some of up bros from n
Speaker 1: y U. And I was always like, O, come that.
Speaker 1: I wish we'd been on trip. Hey, I wish I'd
Speaker 1: hung out with you. I wish I hadn't been so
Speaker 1: afraid of everything that I had actually like gone out
Speaker 1: and hung out and done all that stuff I was
Speaker 1: just like so terrified of. Thankfully, though, we have trips,
Speaker 1: Like trips forced us into that space. And season one
Speaker 1: we had the hurricane. Oh god, it was like the
Speaker 1: spot we all met up there. It was like half
Speaker 1: of us went to one place and half of us
Speaker 1: went to the other place because it was like this
Speaker 1: hurricane and we all need to be in the spots
Speaker 1: we went for chick I mean the hurricanes. That was
Speaker 1: something that was new for all of us. And so
Speaker 1: you take all these kids that are away from home
Speaker 1: or just what they used to for the first time.
Speaker 1: You start filming in September, and then hurricane season hits
Speaker 1: in October and we're all forced to be grown ups
Speaker 1: and deal with natural disasters and also like to be
Speaker 1: on a national television show and then fly all over
Speaker 1: the country and do pray. Do we remember when people
Speaker 1: were like, oh, are you stormproofing your windows? I was like,
Speaker 1: what a who? How do you do that? I mean
Speaker 1: I was still living over the bar so stormproofing my windows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do have like nailing boards into the like I
Speaker 1: don't want a picture frame into the wall. Guys, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I can't start. Okay, So obviously now the
Speaker 1: world knows we were all so terrified to be at
Speaker 1: work and so deeply intimidated by each other. Oh my god, Like,
Speaker 1: but Joy, I'm so curious for you because you know, hell,
Speaker 1: you had done the pilot, and then you came in
Speaker 1: to do these reshoots of the pilot, and then I
Speaker 1: came in and we all started working together right as
Speaker 1: soon as the right, as soon as those were done.
Speaker 1: But what was it like to have to reshoot some
Speaker 1: of those huge pilot scenes Because some of them are easy, right,
Speaker 1: like you're at Karen's cafe, it's you, Chad and Moira,
Speaker 1: But then you had to do shots to match that
Speaker 1: huge basketball scene, like the Lucas and Nathan face off
Speaker 1: and starts the show. Was that insane to have to
Speaker 1: do that? What was weird about it was that we,
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, we didn't actually reshoot that river
Speaker 1: front scene. We we're shooting a different basketball scene on
Speaker 1: the river court for another episode, and they tacked my
Speaker 1: reactions for the pilot onto that scene. We did like inserts, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly the job they did. I'm pretty sure that's how
Speaker 1: they did it though. That's what I remember. That scene
Speaker 1: is so good, it really is, and you know, like
Speaker 1: as much as we are, so you know, we kept
Speaker 1: saying what we were watching it, how impressed we were
Speaker 1: with James and how strong and intimidating and he was
Speaker 1: holding his own old and like it so attractive and
Speaker 1: captivating on screen. And you know, they did a really
Speaker 1: good job because with with these characters too, because really
Speaker 1: was rooting for Lucas when I watched this pilot as
Speaker 1: much as I and it's it's a feat to have
Speaker 1: you sort of you're attracted to the villain in a way,
Speaker 1: but you're also rooting for the guy that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the hero when they didn't. If they hadn't done
Speaker 1: that right, if they hadn't cast it right, shot it right,
Speaker 1: written it right, if those guys hadn't played it right,
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't be sitting here today because that was
Speaker 1: that's that was the biggest moment in the pilot that
Speaker 1: I think brought people back keep coming back. James was
Speaker 1: so sinister in the pilot, which watching now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what how did he do seventeen? Blows my mind. At
Speaker 1: the time, we took it for granted, like you just
Speaker 1: expect everyone to show up and do the job. Watching
Speaker 1: it now, you know he's not that far removed from
Speaker 1: my son's age, you know, which is like creepy. He's
Speaker 1: only six years older than Gus was at the time,
Speaker 1: and so super impressive, But I remember them recasting your part.
Speaker 1: It had originally been a character named Reagan. It was
Speaker 1: played by Sam Shelton, who's an awesome actress, great singer
Speaker 1: by the way to great singer, had like a duo
Speaker 1: episode on them, and she was so cool and so fun.
Speaker 1: But when I was told that they were recasting her,
Speaker 1: it was specifically because they wanted Nathan and Haley to
Speaker 1: become a couple. And I remember every time, and Sam
Speaker 1: just wasn't right for that, right, Like those two didn't
Speaker 1: work because Sam was older than I was. So the
Speaker 1: jump from from James to me and then her to
Speaker 1: James was a different chemistry, really different chemistry. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking when they told me that, like, there's no
Speaker 1: keen way that will work, like Nathan and Tutor girl,
Speaker 1: Like what because he was so like bad, so bad
Speaker 1: in my mind, there was no way to make it work.
Speaker 1: And so it's a real testament to Jane his work
Speaker 1: being able to take Nathan from that dark place into
Speaker 1: like a loved daddy figure. Yeah you know, yeah, And
Speaker 1: he's so genuinely such a good, solid guy that that
Speaker 1: there was there was that was bound to come through.
Speaker 1: Did you know from the jump that they were going
Speaker 1: to put you two together. I have no idea. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I never knew that. I didn't either, And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's because I mean I would think if I like
Speaker 1: click into a producer hat for a second. They wanted
Speaker 1: there to be that tension that existed in season one
Speaker 1: where all the fans, because we were piggybacking the end
Speaker 1: of Dawson's Creek, everyone wanted you and Lucas to be
Speaker 1: pasty and Joey Dawson expecting that. Yeah, we all thought
Speaker 1: you guys were maybe going to end up. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, me too. Did you never went there? Did
Speaker 1: you ever? No? I mean, we such a strong choice.
Speaker 1: I don't think that ever. Well, we'll find out as
Speaker 1: we keep watching, because I honestly don't remember most of
Speaker 1: the first season. I mean I remembered those moments from
Speaker 1: the pilot, but um no, we didn't have that kind
Speaker 1: of just that chemistry wasn't there. It didn't exist. It
Speaker 1: really was a good example of a male female friendship
Speaker 1: that was earnest and like hard when it needed to
Speaker 1: be hard and just kind of Yeah, we didn't really
Speaker 1: see a lot of that where it didn't veer off
Speaker 1: into romantic territory. Yeah, there just wasn't sexual tension there
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I don't know, but I think and
Speaker 1: chef walked into the room. I don't think we didn't
Speaker 1: flock that in Karen's cafe, your flustered little reactions, Hello,
Speaker 1: do you know Paul? We were all having dinner it
Speaker 1: deluxe meet Paul and Craig, and I was haying out
Speaker 1: with boys. You were with the grown up a fine time, Joy,
Speaker 1: Joy nailed it this year. Years later. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he came back to the show or if it
Speaker 1: was before he left or something was years later, but
Speaker 1: I had kind of gotten over my crush with him,
Speaker 1: and you know, but we were at dinner and sitting
Speaker 1: there just like Paul a k a Dan Scott, who
Speaker 1: I love very very much, but who loves seeing people
Speaker 1: in awkward, uncomfortable situations. It's just pure comedy to him
Speaker 1: and so true to Paul. We're all sitting at the
Speaker 1: table and he goes, hey, Chef, you know Joy, and
Speaker 1: a massive question she did in love with you? And
Speaker 1: I mean I just turned like Craig just looked at
Speaker 1: me and I was like, yeah, I think so, I think,
Speaker 1: what are young don't made it. He's such a sweetheart though,
Speaker 1: Like what a great guy. And we loved his daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hot single dad and we would babies it his daughter
Speaker 1: will love you know what. He was looking out for
Speaker 1: us to like, he really was one of the ones
Speaker 1: that was the very few people that was was a
Speaker 1: good listener and would would wanted to hear how our
Speaker 1: experiences were, what we were going through, would give advice freely,
Speaker 1: like just really he really cared, you know. He and
Speaker 1: Paul were so special looking back on it, and I've
Speaker 1: told you guys this and I've said it at conventions too,
Speaker 1: but for anybody who's everybody able to hang out with
Speaker 1: us when we shot when we started shooting the season,
Speaker 1: so we came back after this pilot episode, my parents
Speaker 1: came down to Wilmington's to like move me into my apartment,
Speaker 1: like bring dishes, all that kind of stuff, Like I
Speaker 1: was going into my dorm. We went out to dinner
Speaker 1: with James and his mom at like one of those
Speaker 1: you know, riverfront restaurants, and James was like, I mean
Speaker 1: he had to have a chaperone because he was still
Speaker 1: a kid, and so it was almost like we were
Speaker 1: being set up to be buddies, you know, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, our parents are making us
Speaker 1: be friends because we're playing boyfriend girlfriend and and then
Speaker 1: afterwards I took my parents to that upstairs French be
Speaker 1: stro um. What the hell was that place called Caprice? Yes,
Speaker 1: and Paul showed up, and Paul is like, so good
Speaker 1: at ordering wine. Paul is so chin and he's so funny,
Speaker 1: and I think we were laughing and at some point,
Speaker 1: like I laughed and touched his knee and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you old scamp, you know, like one of those moves,
Speaker 1: and my parents mood changed and we left and my
Speaker 1: parents were like, you are not dating him. Don't even
Speaker 1: think about it. And it had never occurred to me,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, oh maybe I will an option.
Speaker 1: The world's opened up, but when you're all new, it's
Speaker 1: also so funny to us, because I mean, Joy had
Speaker 1: the the smart sites, I think, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: at least for me, like and I imagine as we've
Speaker 1: talked about it for you. I looked at Paul and
Speaker 1: Craig like they were supposed to be playing our dads.
Speaker 1: They're only sixteen years but at the time, because I
Speaker 1: still felt like such a little kid. It never occurred
Speaker 1: to me that they were not actually our parents age.
Speaker 1: And so now like you telling me that Jeff and
Speaker 1: Paul are the same age blew my mind. I was
Speaker 1: like what. And when we watched the episode, you know,
Speaker 1: when I met Jeff, he was like, oh, I auditioned
Speaker 1: for that show. And I'm like, wait what. And my husband, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: audition for Cheffer's part, and he was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I like the whole like gritty garage, you know, that
Speaker 1: like edgy thing. Yes, Joy was onto something, you know,
Speaker 1: and l hef a shown up in those type jeans
Speaker 1: the chef was wearing. Can you imagine. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have definitely had kids earlier. That's a totally different behind
Speaker 1: the scenes scan. And by the way, the the wildness
Speaker 1: of you while we watched the pilot like this would
Speaker 1: have actually been mind blowing because you talk about in
Speaker 1: that scene in the car where you stop and you
Speaker 1: like make the face at Chad, You're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: my kids staring back at me. It's weird. It actually
Speaker 1: what I was like, My god, it would have been
Speaker 1: so crazy. Yeah, you know, my son is probably going
Speaker 1: to be an actor, like he has already dived into
Speaker 1: directing stuff and really really loves it, and I don't
Speaker 1: want him to do it until he has a real
Speaker 1: clear sense of who he is because I was so
Speaker 1: like wishy washy and I didn't grow up in the
Speaker 1: industry the way he has. You know, I was super
Speaker 1: green from Virginia, you know, I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: film work. Meanwhile, he's like a pro. Now. I still
Speaker 1: don't want him to do it till he's eighteen. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but to see my face, my child's face in a
Speaker 1: cheerleading uniform, I'm like, oh my god, it's gush, just
Speaker 1: making those surly little faces and like super ground be
Speaker 1: and very dramatic. It's it's it is weird seeing like
Speaker 1: the kid and yourself. Yeah, I'm protective of it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and it makes me a little bit emotional. I mean, firstly,
Speaker 1: let me just say on the subject of things we deserve, um,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm proud of us for caring about
Speaker 1: each other enough to have you know, been at this
Speaker 1: and be such fierce you know, lovers of and defenders
Speaker 1: of each other for all these years. And I'm I
Speaker 1: love that we're doing this and we're you know, taking
Speaker 1: back our joy from a place that had so much
Speaker 1: of it but also had not joyous experiences. And and
Speaker 1: it's kind of wild because I feel that too. I
Speaker 1: feel so protective of you both, and I feel protective
Speaker 1: of my young self, and I feel so detective of
Speaker 1: brook Davis, like she's a person like I get surly
Speaker 1: if anyone tries to come for her. And then I
Speaker 1: have it also from Peyton then, like I remember some
Speaker 1: like quote unquote fan on the internet, like you know,
Speaker 1: tried to say why Peyton was a bad brand, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't know the first thing about
Speaker 1: what Peyton Sawyer did for Brooke Davis. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is an irrational reaction that it is not appropriate
Speaker 1: in any way. But I just I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's nostalgic and beautiful and and intense a little to
Speaker 1: watch that pilot, not so like full disclosure. I cried afterwards,
Speaker 1: because you watch it and like the sense memories there,
Speaker 1: Like I remember what the river court smelled like next
Speaker 1: to the river in the middle of the night. I
Speaker 1: remember like that humidity and also the smell of the lights,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's just like such sense memory about it,
Speaker 1: and we had no idea in that moment that the
Speaker 1: thing that we were making at twenty one years old
Speaker 1: was going to be the thing that became like the
Speaker 1: cornerstone of our life when people stopped me in the
Speaker 1: grocery store. Like every once in a while it's white
Speaker 1: collar or a Christmas movie or something, but of the time,
Speaker 1: it's this show. And it makes you think like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have made some differential if I knew
Speaker 1: that this was going to live forever. There was no
Speaker 1: streaming then there was like internet, that's right, doesn't even
Speaker 1: exist anymore. That we had no idea what was coming, well,
Speaker 1: we didn't. Yeah, we didn't know what was ahead in
Speaker 1: terms of the good or the bad of it. What
Speaker 1: was your favorite moment from the pilot as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is what we should do every
Speaker 1: every episode. What was our favorite moment just as a
Speaker 1: view were Yeah, I loved Karen ripping down a new
Speaker 1: one in the car dealership. Because now that we're we're
Speaker 1: the age that Moira was when we shot that, Like
Speaker 1: if my agents sent me those sides and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to do this show? Like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. Thank you so much. Like she just it
Speaker 1: was a great character. She knew exactly how to play
Speaker 1: the piste off Mama Bear. Um, and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch Moira. She's so so good and scary,
Speaker 1: like a little scary. Yeah, her on your team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think probably just that that big game at the
Speaker 1: end on the river court, when the guys are facing
Speaker 1: off with each other, that was the stakes were so heightened.
Speaker 1: And um, I think that and I and I do
Speaker 1: remember really loving, uh, the the image of the guy
Speaker 1: who was not Chad but doing Chad stand in walking
Speaker 1: across just bouncing that the iconic image from the show
Speaker 1: and Van walking across the bridge basketball. It was such
Speaker 1: a it was such great brilliant imagery. Whoever came up
Speaker 1: with that shot, it's brilliant. It like sticks in my head.
Speaker 1: And then um and then you and and chat at
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks always sticks in my head to the
Speaker 1: You're you were so natural, you felt so comfortable in
Speaker 1: front of the camera Hillary and Um there was like
Speaker 1: an instant I don't know that the chemistry between the
Speaker 1: two of you guys in that moment. I felt it,
Speaker 1: and it I remember that tugged at my heart. Instantly
Speaker 1: on the show. I was like, I think I'm in.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in on this show and and um,
Speaker 1: and then the moment on the basketball court really tied
Speaker 1: it all up for me. Absolutely. I agree that basketball
Speaker 1: scene is just so good because you know what the
Speaker 1: stakes are for these families, and and something about this
Speaker 1: sort of dynastic element of what is that word smart
Speaker 1: she went to space scamps, you know, but but truly
Speaker 1: the this notion that this character of Dan Scott has
Speaker 1: a dynasty essentially in the small town, and and the
Speaker 1: element of of what his hyper masculine, sort of patriarchal
Speaker 1: story is with this, you know, his progeny, his son
Speaker 1: who's you know, next in line for the throne, and
Speaker 1: then this other kid who by no choice of his
Speaker 1: own is sort of stuck in this mess, and the
Speaker 1: woman who has been harmed by playing his mother. Like
Speaker 1: it's so good, and and then you realize, as these
Speaker 1: two boys essentially are in this gladiator battle, that neither
Speaker 1: of them chose this, and that it's going to affect
Speaker 1: them for the rest of their lives. I just remember
Speaker 1: thinking how elemental it felt, and I had that same
Speaker 1: moment of like, I'm I'm in, and I loved how
Speaker 1: it was constantly reinforced similarly the you know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: relate to that family story, but what I could relate
Speaker 1: to was being a part of a world but still
Speaker 1: feeling like an outsider in it. You know, from the outside,
Speaker 1: maybe I looked like I had it together or like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I was in this club or that club,
Speaker 1: or did theater or seemed popular, but I always I
Speaker 1: always felt more like Peyton. I always felt really uncomfortable, uh,
Speaker 1: sort of in the skin of that place. You did
Speaker 1: a good job, so because you came in with Brooke
Speaker 1: Davis just like you and like like But I had
Speaker 1: to be someone I couldn't relate to, and so that's
Speaker 1: actually what made it easier for me. And and I
Speaker 1: always felt a little uncomfortable in a room of people
Speaker 1: who seemed like they had it all together. And the
Speaker 1: moment that made me feel seen was the cutting back
Speaker 1: and forth, almost montage style, in the scenes where Nathan's
Speaker 1: driving the school bus, all the cool kids are partying
Speaker 1: and Peyton's a cool kid, but she's not there, and
Speaker 1: she's driving her car listening to angsty music by herself,
Speaker 1: and it's cutting back and forth between these two driving scenes,
Speaker 1: and and Nathan almost drives into the train and you
Speaker 1: almost run Lucas over and everybody stops and it I
Speaker 1: don't know. That was the thing that made me feel seen.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I have felt that. I get that.
Speaker 1: What were you listening to in your car by yourself
Speaker 1: in high school? Man, Iryl Crow who ended up coming
Speaker 1: on the shower her Um, Yeah, Cheryl Crow. It's funny
Speaker 1: because I grew up listening to Motown with my mom
Speaker 1: and the Eagles with my dad, and then I got
Speaker 1: really into I think, just like being a kid who
Speaker 1: lived in l A. You know, it was the era
Speaker 1: of Tupac and the Tupac in Biggie Battle. And then
Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school and Chronic two
Speaker 1: thousand and one came out and I was like, dr
Speaker 1: is the coolest. So I was just like this, you know,
Speaker 1: really gangly, little white girl who loved wrap. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to listen to modern music really, and so
Speaker 1: I you know, with Peyton and all are dumb Vinyl,
Speaker 1: you know, that was who I was. The only music
Speaker 1: I could get was what we could check out at
Speaker 1: the library because I didn't have necessarily money growing up
Speaker 1: to go and buy CDs or tapes or whatever. So
Speaker 1: we checked out stuff from the Sterling Public Library and
Speaker 1: I remember getting like my Culture Club albums, Like I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with boy George. I was so obsessed with
Speaker 1: androgyny and like sexuality analytics, Boy George, David Bow Girl.
Speaker 1: I was on a real gender bender kick, and so
Speaker 1: Peyton coming in with a lot of masculine energy felt
Speaker 1: like good to me. I was like, this chick can
Speaker 1: kiss anybody she wants. This will be great, um, which
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of the fan base is
Speaker 1: picked up on, you know, like there is a large
Speaker 1: part of the fan base that's like Payton's Gate, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, there's time. Life is long. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was you know what was fun for me.
Speaker 1: I would love to know where all those records ended up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: scattered to the wind. I stole some things for you
Speaker 1: from set when we wrapped up, but they'd packed those
Speaker 1: records up by then. I was pretty tested about them.
Speaker 1: I was like, where did they go? Do you love
Speaker 1: woody sarcasm and talking fast? And are you longing to
Speaker 1: return to Stars Hall of for one more trip? To
Speaker 1: Kim's Antiques or just to pick up a few things
Speaker 1: at Dosie's Market. It's an overnight stay. It's a dragon
Speaker 1: flame on your list of plans for a getaway is
Speaker 1: a burger from Luke's Diner on the menu for tonight.
Speaker 1: This is Scott Patterson. I was Luke Danes for one
Speaker 1: fifty three episodes and in four Netflix movies I Am
Speaker 1: all In and I Heart Radio Podcast. Come hang with us.
Speaker 1: We're read watching together. We're visiting with all our favorite
Speaker 1: cast and crew members. We talk fast. We've got a
Speaker 1: lot to say. Listen to I Am all In wherever
Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts, Ladies and gentlemen. It's time for
Speaker 1: most likely to Okay, so we're gonna try and do
Speaker 1: this at the end of every episode. Who is most
Speaker 1: likely to um? You know, like in high school, Like
Speaker 1: in your high school, maybe you had this in your yearbook.
Speaker 1: We should ask the fans what they're most likely to
Speaker 1: were so we can get some idea. I like that idea.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I mean I feel like in
Speaker 1: most year books, like the one I hear about, a
Speaker 1: lot is most likely to succeed. M Are there others
Speaker 1: that you would prefer to you. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this idea of success in this first episode is such
Speaker 1: a major point because obviously, on paper, Dan Scott is
Speaker 1: it is likely to succeed. But as we know that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That's the malarkey. Yeah right, Who do we
Speaker 1: feel like, who's most really succeeded in this world? And well,
Speaker 1: I guess to find success right in high school? Typically,
Speaker 1: most like succeed means the person who's going to what
Speaker 1: make the most money, build the biggest business in that way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's different definitions to success. It's like not
Speaker 1: the kid joining Peace Corps, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And now we're like, it should be the kid. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, Karen has raised a child who loves her,
Speaker 1: and I think as like adults now we realize that something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a kid that communicates with you and loves
Speaker 1: you and lets you into their world is a big deal.
Speaker 1: Someone with a strong moral character you can drop into
Speaker 1: any scenario and they're going to do the right thing,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's massive success for sure. I
Speaker 1: think most likely to succeed is Barry Corbin, a little
Speaker 1: bit who plays code twite who But when we were
Speaker 1: shooting one tree. Hill had been in more television shows
Speaker 1: and movies like the length of Barry's career is nuts,
Speaker 1: and like just dropped into this world of freaking teenagers
Speaker 1: and was like, doues, I'm want to own this. For
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, no one had a
Speaker 1: better time in Wilmington's than Barry Corbett. Oh yeah, good god.
Speaker 1: We should try and get him. Come come in and
Speaker 1: chat with us. I would give to hear Barry's stories
Speaker 1: because he just watched us and like enjoyed that, like
Speaker 1: watches the cattle. That interesting, what's happening over there? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say I think my vote for most
Speaker 1: likely to succeed in this episode is going to be Mouth.
Speaker 1: I think watching him on the river court do his thing,
Speaker 1: he was so driven and focused and it really set
Speaker 1: the set the tone for him as a character throughout
Speaker 1: the rest of the series. Everything that he was always
Speaker 1: driving at he provided so much ammunition and fuel for
Speaker 1: so many different storylines. And he was just always always
Speaker 1: chasing a dream, you know. And I left that about him.
Speaker 1: That's my boat. He bought a lot of energy. What
Speaker 1: about you, oh man? I was really like, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's Karen, that's the way to go. And now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I'm so bad at this. I've never been able
Speaker 1: to pick a thing. I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 1: funny because then I sorry, well, yes, and obviously he's brilliant,
Speaker 1: but like the Pilot feels very set up to give Lucas,
Speaker 1: who's always been the outcast, his first taste of success,
Speaker 1: like that boy gets his first win in the Pilot,
Speaker 1: and I think what they set up is the audience
Speaker 1: curiosity as to whether or not he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to hold onto it, like you come back to
Speaker 1: see which of them gets the ball next time, and
Speaker 1: that I think is a really brilliant device. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say the most likely succeed for me is the
Speaker 1: town of Wilmington's, because this show was such a love
Speaker 1: letter to that town. The way it shot is so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and it has set up like a tourism industry that has,
Speaker 1: you know, surpassed anything I think anyone ever expected. And
Speaker 1: like Dawson's didn't take place in North Carolina. They were
Speaker 1: like cheating cape Cod. I guess Willmington for Cape Cod,
Speaker 1: and so I think Wilmington's came out such a winner.
Speaker 1: You did this to such another level. It's a metaphor.
Speaker 1: This is why she should be running the film commission. Hello,
Speaker 1: I don't join clubs anymore. Um. The Drama Queen Club
Speaker 1: is the only one. I'm a part of it, Drama
Speaker 1: Queen jan Um. So next week we have episode one
Speaker 1: or two the places you have come to fear the most.
Speaker 1: That sounds done dangerous because I'm showing up like Hellyan
Speaker 1: and my bad hair. Oh please, that was a bad haircut.
Speaker 1: It was so cool then, but good god, I just
Speaker 1: I wish we'd had one. Comes back to hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it all comes back to hair. Yeah, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all better watch the episode because we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some things to say in our hot little bod
Speaker 1: show up. We can't wait to see you guys next week.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Have a good night.
Speaker 1: All about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all
Speaker 1: about them high school queens. We'll take you for a
Speaker 1: ride in our comic girl Cheering for the drama queens
Speaker 1: up girl fashion, but you'll up girls. You could sit
Speaker 1: with us Girl Drama, Queeze, Dramaqueene Drama Queen's drama drawn
Speaker 1: mc queen's drama Queens