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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens, girl fashion.

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Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We ended last week with Champagne. We're kicking off this

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Speaker 1: week with the rest of the bottle of the champ

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Speaker 1: So this is the recap of episode one, the pilot

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Speaker 1: air date September twenty, two thousand and three. Day we realized,

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Speaker 1: like jersey number twenty three and wait minute two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, what does like Aluminati? Do they do have purpose? Purpose?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that was Michael Jordan's number.

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Speaker 1: So the synopsis is here. We Nathan Scott is Tree

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Speaker 1: Hill High's biggest basketball star and he's dating Peyton, a cheerleader,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. Nathan's half brother, Lucas joins the

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Speaker 1: team and threatens to take both Nathan's spot in the

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Speaker 1: lineup and his girl. As if I was nobody's a

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Speaker 1: girl that was my own. So grumpy, I have to

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Speaker 1: perhaps start in an unconventional place. But we've all just

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Speaker 1: watched the Pilot for the first time since two thousand three,

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Speaker 1: and oh my god, Craig Shipper is so hot. Joy.

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Speaker 1: Its spotted from a mile the way. I was like,

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Speaker 1: that because I was like, well, he's playing one of

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Speaker 1: the grown I was like, he's a grown up. But

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Speaker 1: you were like no, no, ladies, no, not at all.

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Speaker 1: You were wise beyond your years. Joy. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: like Muslie and his jeans were tight. Yeah, let's talk

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Speaker 1: you guys are talking about, like flares consistently, whether they're

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Speaker 1: Like we blamed Britney Spears for this. She really yeah,

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Speaker 1: she ruined it. For the rest of us. But I

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Speaker 1: also feel like because we were in Wilmington, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: are shopping options were not what they were in New

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Speaker 1: being six months behind any cool kid curve. But I

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Speaker 1: like the you know, it's I mean, that's if you

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people who just that's

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Speaker 1: were so yeah, yeah, we were gap old navy kids,

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Speaker 1: more kids, yeah, God, bless that. I think that's one

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Speaker 1: like the grooming, the grooming, the grooming between Paul and Jane.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know it's called, that

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Speaker 1: was called a steady shot. It was a steadicam shot.

427
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: It was It was a one er is what we

428
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: call it. Because there's no coverage, which means the camera's

429
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: not popping in on Chad's face and then my face

430
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: to get each of our lines. It's just one camera

431
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: set up and we do do the scene and we

432
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: walk through and say our dialogue and once when it's over,

433
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: we're done. And by the way, baller for the steadicam operator,

434
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: because what that means is that there's a guy wearing

435
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: a camera strap to his chest, walking backwards looking in

436
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: a monitor at you and Chad in a two shot

437
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: that never cuts, never moves, has to be perfectly timed,

438
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: and this man has to trust the guy who's dragging

439
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: him by the vest enough to just look at the

440
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: two of you and walk backwards blindly. It's it's so hard,

441
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: it's so hard and it's got to be perfect one

442
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: years and if somebody cops or sneezes and doesn't make

443
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: it work in the scene, you gotta start all over

444
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: against pigeons. And so we're doing this one er on

445
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: the steadicam and we had the guy with the pigeons,

446
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: and there was like always a thing it just couldn't

447
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: We could never get it to work, and it was

448
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: so frustrating. I don't know what. They would fly in

449
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: the wrong direction or like he'd open the cage and

450
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: they just walk out like it was never anything right.

451
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: So finally it worked and then you know, we continued

452
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: on with the scene. But yeah, I had that was

453
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: my pigeon wildlife experience. What was your? I had the gator? Yeah,

454
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: my was it my first day. We was either my

455
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: first or second day, but it was my first real

456
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: day of like acting. I may have done some like

457
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, like extra work in a different scene, but

458
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: my first real day of acting was that roadside scene

459
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: where my car's broken down. It's just Chad and I

460
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: and Chad had been on Gilmore Girls, he'd been on Dawson's.

461
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: He'd done that like a Hailey Dolphin movie or something around,

462
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: you know, like he'd done so much work, and so

463
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: our director was a very big time director, Brian Gordon,

464
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: and I knew he'd done some like HBO stuff and

465
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: he was a very big deal. And I had not

466
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: done a chemistry read with anyone. I hadn't tested. I

467
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: had done this, you know, one little part on Dawson's Creek.

468
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: I had done, you know, my scene study classes in

469
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: New York for the last two years, but mostly it

470
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: was theater where you've got a really big space to

471
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: move around and rehearsal time. Yeah, so Chad and I

472
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: get called to set and I knew my lines coming

473
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: and going right. We go down there. They put us

474
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: on these marks, which are like little, you know, pieces

475
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: of tape in the shape of a cross, and they're like,

476
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: hit this, don't you dare look at it because the

477
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: camera's point it at you. You just have to feel it.

478
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, unless it's a wide shot, there's like

479
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: a little dot the size of your half your finger.

480
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: And they ripped the tape tea off and they're like,

481
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: see this little dot we left you and you're like

482
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: in the grass, in the grass smaller than my pinky nail.

483
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: So they everyone's like just like telling me all these things,

484
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: and no one realized I didn't know the business at all, right.

485
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to hit a mark. I didn't

486
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: know how to find my light. I didn't know any

487
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: of this. And while we're in the midst of the

488
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: very first rehearsal, a gator is swimming up to Chad

489
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: and I and no one is clocking it, like no

490
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: one's saying a word in the marsh, in the mar

491
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: right there in the water, and I'm like, anybody, nobody, nobody, anybody.

492
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: And I was distracted right like larranted. So we end rehearsal.

493
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: I go to my trailer. I knew it was bad.

494
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: Like I knew it was a bad rehearsal because the

495
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: just the lingo they were using. I kept having to ask, like,

496
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: what are you talking about pulling focus? Like what does

497
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: that even mean? I had no idea. The director comes

498
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: to my trailer bang bang bang bang bang bang bang,

499
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, He's like I need to

500
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: talk to you. You didn't know your lines? Yes, I

501
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: knew my lines, but there was like a lot going on,

502
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: like there's an alligator, sir, don't you ever waste my

503
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: time or the cruised time again, and I was like

504
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: I cried and then I had to pull it together

505
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: and like, oh, it's just like the worst scary say.

506
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: But I never didn't know my lines again, like like

507
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: my whole career. It was a great note to get

508
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: your very first day. Um it. For the record, I

509
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: knew my lines. I just had an alligator coming out.

510
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is that the requirement is you

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: have to be unflappable, yeah, no matter what. Yeah, And

512
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a hard skill to learn. It was the

513
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: first day, no one. But the thing is when you

514
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: go on to a job, no one realizes it's your

515
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: first day because it's not their first day. They've been

516
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: doing this for years. Like you're just welcome to the circus, kid,

517
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: and so um it definitely set the tone for me

518
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: of crew first, always crew first, be a team player,

519
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: don't ever waste anyone's time. I think that probably plagued

520
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: me a little bit the whole course of shooting because

521
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I was then I tried to overcompensate, so I'd be

522
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: like I'll advocate for every department, you know, like I'll

523
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: fight your battles for you because I'm on your team, remember,

524
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: but it all came down to that freaking gator. Wow.

525
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean people die all the time getting eaten by

526
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: gators and welming today. I know that happened all that

527
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: ya like Greenfield Lake, Yeah, yeah, the yeah, no, there

528
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: was a bad There were some bad stories about like

529
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: I remember maybe maybe this has been created in my brain,

530
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that we lived there. There was a

531
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: story about somebody walking their dog around Greenfield like and

532
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: the dog got snatched, but the person's arm was in

533
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: the leash and so when the dog was getting rolled

534
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: by the gate or the person walking, it was also drowned.

535
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm never going there ever,

536
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm never going This is a mythology that's so fun

537
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: about shooting at a small town because I don't know,

538
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: but I heard it did. It was also just such

539
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: a crazy thing because I remember, you know, you guys

540
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: obviously shot the pilot. You do pilots in the spring, guys,

541
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: so like March usually, so it's chili still in Wilmington's

542
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: in March. But then when we got there to start

543
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: shooting properly, enjoy when you had to shoot all your

544
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: pilot scenes, you know, do all those those reshoots. Um,

545
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: it was July. You know, it's a hundred degrees. It's

546
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. But you're shooting a show that's going

547
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: to be airing on TV in September. So you're wearing

548
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: Kashmir sweaters and leather jackets and they're like, could you

549
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: stop sweating the camera guys, and you're like, I wish

550
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I could help you. I'm so sorry. Another thing to

551
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: know is that our show was supposed to be a

552
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: mid season replacement January, That's right, And that's why we

553
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: were all just for winter because we were supposed to

554
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: come on the air in January, and so we were

555
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: filming in July. We had a six month lead and

556
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: another show got canned and so they put us on

557
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: the air right away in September. But that meant that

558
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: we were filming an episode and then it would air

559
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: like two or three weeks later. It was so there

560
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: was no way to adjust for like reaction, you know,

561
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: to like like crowd reaction and stuff like that. We

562
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: you know, it was so um. I just remember being

563
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: so nervous up Peyton because I like, everybody hates her.

564
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Everybody hates her. I'm on set reading about how everyone

565
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: hates her and like we're still in the midst of

566
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: like being a big jerk, you know, man. So it

567
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: was yeah, that was scary. There was no promotion for

568
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: the show, and that was yeah, because every week the

569
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: street cred Man. Every week the viewership jumped in ways

570
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: that we all were like, what's happening. And when we

571
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: first because obviously you you you ushered us in Hill

572
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: to the whole world of MTV and I will never

573
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: forget when we went and did that first t r

574
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: L and the people at MTV were like, last time

575
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: we had a crowd this big was for eminem And

576
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: we were like, I mean Times Square was I've never

577
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: seen a crowd like it, and we were like, this

578
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: is for us. Yeah. I was like, I remember being

579
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: really confused. I was like having a panicked I was

580
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: sweating because I was that for others paid people to

581
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm like, well, no, then every movie

582
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: would have done that, you know what I mean, Like,

583
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: we didn't have those crowds for anybody else. It was

584
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they were for us. I just

585
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: thought Time Square was packed. And we pulled up and

586
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: I got out and I was like, man, this is crazy,

587
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: what is going on? And I got out and I

588
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: saw somebody in the in the immediate crowd surrounding us,

589
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: holding up a poster that was Nathan and Haley, and

590
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: I just was like, what wait. They were holding up

591
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: posters for all of us in all different ways, but

592
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: that was just the one that my eyes saw that

593
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, wait, these people are here

594
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: for us, especially because we were just in this little town. Like,

595
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: oh man, we were laughing so hard, you guys watching

596
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: the pilot, just thinking about all the shenanigans of our

597
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: lives there. And like one of the things that's so

598
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: funny about Wilmington, it's a college town and it's a

599
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: retirement so like it was us one, and then it

600
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: was a bunch of nineteen year old kids at U

601
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: n c W and and then it was a bunch

602
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: of people's like dad's and grandpas on the golf course.

603
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: I kissed those and so it was kind of just us,

604
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: like all we had was each other, literally for better

605
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: or worse, and oh man, we just had no perspective

606
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: on anything outside of our little bubble in this little place.

607
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: And then we got to New York and there were

608
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: thousands of people in the streets outside of a building

609
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: where we were going to do press, and we were like,

610
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: what is this. It was like being in the Twilight Zone.

611
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: It was so crazy. I remember other people talking about like, oh,

612
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: your life's about to change, and I'm like, well, I've

613
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: been on TV since I graduated high school, Like what

614
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know I do live TV.

615
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: You know I get the reaction right away, So to

616
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: do something where the reaction was delayed was weird because

617
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: then it really was so much bigger. And I had

618
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: a boyfriend fiance at the time who came to visit

619
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: and was like riding a skateboard around our base camp,

620
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: and I remember, our boss is going he won't last long.

621
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: They knew our life was about to change enough that

622
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I would just like cast off the old skin and

623
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: turn into something different. I never felt like, I mean,

624
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: did you guys feel like your lives? Your lives did

625
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: change all of a sudden because I we were only

626
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: in that I was making decisions a hundred percent on

627
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: my own for the first time, like where I wanted

628
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 1: to live, you know. I went shopping for a car

629
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: with Brian Greenberg. In those first couple episodes, I remember

630
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: I was looking at like a mountaineer. Did they even

631
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: make mountaineers anymore? It's kind of like a jeep, right,

632
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a range of not a range

633
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: of over I which to call it. Um, Yeah, like

634
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: it's like a jeepy kind of it's like a sport

635
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: utility super like a super room girl. I don't know, No,

636
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: I think a mountaineers, like I think I was just

637
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: like just pumped to like hang out Greenberg because he

638
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: was so cool, you know. And so we were like

639
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: shopping for cars and then I was too scared to

640
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: actually spend money on a car from a car lot

641
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: because I wasn't convinced scary to spend money. I bought

642
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: like a fifteen hundred dollar nineteen eighties six Mercedes that

643
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: had the crank windows, you know, and that's what we

644
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: would like drive into work. And yeah, it was it

645
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: felt extravagant. At the time. I was trying to figure

646
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: out who we wanted to be. I mean, that's a

647
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: big deal at that age. Like, you know, we all

648
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: had different personalities, but you also we were looking up

649
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: to other public figures at the time. And two the

650
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: things that we saw in the magazines and we want

651
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: around us. I didn't know. I mean, I there were

652
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: things I admired about you. There are things I admired

653
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: about you. I just I and I remember like, Okay,

654
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: let me copy that and see if that feels right

655
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: in my skin. Now that feels that doesn't feel right

656
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: trying on a sweater? Yes, And look at magazine and

657
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: be like, let me try that on and see. And

658
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: I think every teenage girl can relate to that. We're

659
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: all trying on different suits to see which one. I

660
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: felt so confused, too, because to your point, everyone around

661
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: us kept telling us our lives were changing. But I

662
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: I just felt like I had no idea what that meant.

663
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: And I think part of it for me, you know,

664
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: I I grew up my whole life. I went to

665
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: an all girls school with fifty girls and my graduating

666
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: classics I wore uniforms like I didn't have any of

667
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the experiences we were portraying. And I had. Oh. I

668
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: had never been in a class with boys. I my

669
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart was my best friend from camp since

670
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: I was nine. I'd never been lied to. I'd never

671
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: had anyone try to sell me anything. I went to

672
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: college and I wanted to have the opposite experience, so

673
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I went to USC. I thought sororities were lame, but

674
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: my best friends were joining one. So I did just

675
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: like you as a cheerleader, but I was the philanthropy

676
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: chair of my sorority because I can't help but be

677
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: a nerd. I like camps, and I dated a boy

678
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: all through all through college who was a computer programmer.

679
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Like we were just so cute. I had no I

680
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: had like these dreams of making the kinds of movies

681
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: I loved, and and I remembered, like, you know, watching

682
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: my so called life and loving Clear Danes and thinking

683
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: she was so talented, and she went on to do

684
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: movies I respected, and and I thought maybe someday that

685
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: could happen. And then suddenly we were on TV and

686
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: everyone was saying it was happening, but like we were

687
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: just going to work every day and like get getting

688
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: offered sweet tea at like the local furniture store where

689
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: you and I joy were like hunting for antiques and

690
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: nothing the Ivy and John market, right, But like I,

691
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: everyone was saying it was changing, but I still kind

692
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: of felt like a little kid, and I didn't want

693
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: anyone to know. I felt like a little kids. I

694
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: was trying so hard to be about me too. I see,

695
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: I had come from MTV, where you were looked down on.

696
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: If you hung out with the talent, it made you

697
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: like a Starker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it made you a Starker.

698
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: And I was so against that, and so for me,

699
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: it was really hard to be on the other side

700
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: of the talent. I didn't like how people were like

701
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: treating me and I didn't like I didn't like feeling

702
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: like I was being coddled. God, you had so much perspective.

703
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: And at that time, the only way MTV would let

704
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: me do the show is if I worked Monday. I

705
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: worked Sunday. That's right. I forgot about that. So it

706
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: was hard for me to connect with anyone because I

707
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: was always gone because I worked. We we shot in

708
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: the high school on Sundays so we could get the gym. Yeah.

709
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: We worked Sunday through Thursday. Friday morning, at six am,

710
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: I'd fly to New York. I would film like three

711
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: different shows and then i'd work again Saturday morning, and

712
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: I'd fly home Saturday night and then like go out

713
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: and then go to work again on Sunday and I

714
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: did it for the first two seasons, and it was

715
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: so unsustainable. I mean, and by the way, you're being

716
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: kind about that schedule, because let me just tell you

717
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: all listening at home something. These basketball days in the

718
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: average for us as girls, because we have a two

719
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: hour pre call, we would film for sixteen hours in

720
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: the gym, meaning we would work an eighteen hour day

721
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: and be told that's normal. It's on an hour quote

722
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: unquote Monday, which means that because the later you shoot

723
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: every day, the later your call the next day has

724
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: to be. By Friday, we'd be going into work at

725
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: four pm, starting at six pm, shooting until four or

726
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: five am on Saturday. So hill are you are on

727
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Friday night, Friday morning, Thursday night in to Friday morning,

728
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: we'd shoot until four or five sometimes six am, and

729
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: you would go straight from set to the free in airport.

730
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I didn't look to fly. I think the course of

731
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the season like I just disintegrate like a little bit more.

732
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: And I can see it joined to your point. It's

733
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: what you were saying about knowing what you were going

734
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: through personally, Like I watched myself trying so hard to

735
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: spin all the plates um so then by like season

736
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: three when I was like, guys, right in here and

737
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: then I just commit to the show. Season three really

738
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite seasons because I was just

739
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: able to do one thing and it felt nice and

740
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I got to cut my hair. It felt so nice.

741
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was you forget how bad you wanted

742
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: it as a kid, and we were all trying so

743
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: hard to be these grown ups who deserved this position.

744
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: That we never said no to anything. Anything they asked

745
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: of us. Anything they said was normal. Anything they told

746
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: us we had to do, by the way, I even

747
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: think about like any question I was asked, like when

748
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: we would do press and they would interview us, when

749
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: no one ever told us you don't have to answer

750
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: a question if someone asks it, So like yeah, wow, wow,

751
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: that feels personal. Um okay, Like we just wanted to

752
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: be good so badly. We didn't realize at times we

753
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: were like coming apart of the seams. I think messy

754
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: is what made us really relatable, was like, oh I

755
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: feel her pain. We all just carried different pain. I loved.

756
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I still love when people are like I feel like

757
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: me and Broke, or me and Peyton, or me and Haley.

758
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we would be friends. And I'm like,

759
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: I love that. That's my favorite feedback, the Peyton crying

760
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: in her car. I guess there's like a meme of

761
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: me crying in a car. And my son every night

762
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: at seven pm gets online with his best friend and

763
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: they look at memes that like they watch YouTube videos

764
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: and like that's what fifth grade boys do. And so

765
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: I guess at some point my son got curious and

766
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: like saw a Peyton crying in her car meme and

767
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: so like eleven year old Guss is like, why were

768
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: you always just crying in a car? And what's kind

769
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: of great is like I know now why Peyton's like

770
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: always like super messy, but it wasn't explained in this pilot. No,

771
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean I liked that when I

772
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: watched the pilot, I liked that because I thought there's

773
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: really somewhere to go, Like, I want to understand this girl.

774
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Why did she always empathetic? Didn't have the reaction that

775
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: apparently a lot of other people thought she was so cool? Yeah,

776
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: I thought we were such a I always was like

777
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Hilary is so grown up and she's

778
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: so cool and her arms are so long and slender.

779
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: How did she get like that? She knows how to

780
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: use bom bombs and shows me like I just want

781
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: I just wanted to follow you around like a puppy.

782
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I was like, teach me stuff. Can I go to

783
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: bars with you? You're like, I just felt like, didn't

784
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: you feel like she knew everything I didn't? Those guys?

785
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I was so I was intended by Joy because Joy

786
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: had been in Thinner and I had remembered like, oh,

787
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: she's like a movie, like a big deal. You were

788
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: the four that's amazing. I was so intimidated by your

789
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: theater acto. I was just like, Wow, she keeps talking

790
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: on all these plays and I haven't never seen any

791
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: of these. I don't know anything about musical theater or

792
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: like cool. I felt like, yeah, it's interesting thinking about it.

793
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: I just felt like I had so much to learn

794
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: from you about weird now. I told I was I

795
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: felt like what I had said before, where I was

796
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: just kind of terrified inside and just like you know,

797
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: looking at both of you and in On, like I

798
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: thought you were both so cool and so like with it,

799
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: and so like you were so stylish. Yeah, so with

800
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: her no back blouses like Sophia had an orange halterneck top.

801
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: That's why it cut T shirts were cool, and that

802
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: was a T shirt that had been cut up by

803
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: some girl in l A and the neck was the

804
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: arm holes. You guys, like a man's extra large T

805
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: shirt and you'd like put the arm holes on your neck.

806
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I felt so cool because a girl who was older

807
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: than me in college, who was in my sorority like

808
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: taking me to this T shirt shop and I was like,

809
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: this is cool. I'm an adult on TV. I should

810
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: wear this in public and put my face through some

811
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: guy's arms, Like, oh my god, it's no. But you

812
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: also were like the pie piper of all the dudes

813
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: on the show with that shirt. Like I remember a

814
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: caravan from the river View Suites to the Rhino Club

815
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: up on Market and just they were all following you

816
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: like ducklings. It's just like the shirts killing it. We

817
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: had watched hipp Top, your episodes of Nipped Hawk we're airing,

818
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: and we've only watched them together. And then we went,

819
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: because we were twenty one in Bonafide to a bar

820
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: to celebrate, and we were like, we're getting cocktails, and

821
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Greenberg played his guitar god Les Greenberg being you know

822
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: in every so cool there's one guy with the guitar. Yeah,

823
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: he was our Greenberg. He was our guy, but not

824
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: like like Jake's character was not overly romantic. You know

825
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: those guys there's always a guy with the guitar who

826
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: really like he's like, I'm the guy with Greenberg is

827
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: not that guy. He was just always always seems so

828
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: self confident and just sort of in his own skin.

829
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: He was just cool. And he was like covering Elliott

830
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Smith songs, that's right. He was good for the music recommendation.

831
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: He had really cute friends. Like when we would come

832
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: up to New York for MTV, Greenberg would be like,

833
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: We're going to meet some of up bros from n

834
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: y U. And I was always like, O, come that.

835
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: I wish we'd been on trip. Hey, I wish I'd

836
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: hung out with you. I wish I hadn't been so

837
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: afraid of everything that I had actually like gone out

838
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: and hung out and done all that stuff I was

839
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: just like so terrified of. Thankfully, though, we have trips,

840
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: Like trips forced us into that space. And season one

841
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: we had the hurricane. Oh god, it was like the

842
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: spot we all met up there. It was like half

843
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: of us went to one place and half of us

844
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: went to the other place because it was like this

845
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: hurricane and we all need to be in the spots

846
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: we went for chick I mean the hurricanes. That was

847
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: something that was new for all of us. And so

848
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you take all these kids that are away from home

849
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: or just what they used to for the first time.

850
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: You start filming in September, and then hurricane season hits

851
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: in October and we're all forced to be grown ups

852
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: and deal with natural disasters and also like to be

853
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: on a national television show and then fly all over

854
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: the country and do pray. Do we remember when people

855
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: were like, oh, are you stormproofing your windows? I was like,

856
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: what a who? How do you do that? I mean

857
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: I was still living over the bar so stormproofing my windows? Yeah,

858
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: I do have like nailing boards into the like I

859
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: don't want a picture frame into the wall. Guys, I'm

860
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: pretty sure I can't start. Okay, So obviously now the

861
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: world knows we were all so terrified to be at

862
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: work and so deeply intimidated by each other. Oh my god, Like,

863
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: but Joy, I'm so curious for you because you know, hell,

864
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: you had done the pilot, and then you came in

865
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: to do these reshoots of the pilot, and then I

866
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: came in and we all started working together right as

867
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: soon as the right, as soon as those were done.

868
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: But what was it like to have to reshoot some

869
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: of those huge pilot scenes Because some of them are easy, right,

870
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: like you're at Karen's cafe, it's you, Chad and Moira,

871
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: But then you had to do shots to match that

872
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: huge basketball scene, like the Lucas and Nathan face off

873
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: and starts the show. Was that insane to have to

874
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: do that? What was weird about it was that we,

875
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, we didn't actually reshoot that river

876
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: front scene. We we're shooting a different basketball scene on

877
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: the river court for another episode, and they tacked my

878
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: reactions for the pilot onto that scene. We did like inserts, yeah,

879
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: exactly the job they did. I'm pretty sure that's how

880
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: they did it though. That's what I remember. That scene

881
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: is so good, it really is, and you know, like

882
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: as much as we are, so you know, we kept

883
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: saying what we were watching it, how impressed we were

884
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: with James and how strong and intimidating and he was

885
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: holding his own old and like it so attractive and

886
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: captivating on screen. And you know, they did a really

887
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: good job because with with these characters too, because really

888
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: was rooting for Lucas when I watched this pilot as

889
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: much as I and it's it's a feat to have

890
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: you sort of you're attracted to the villain in a way,

891
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: but you're also rooting for the guy that's supposed to

892
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: be the hero when they didn't. If they hadn't done

893
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: that right, if they hadn't cast it right, shot it right,

894
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: written it right, if those guys hadn't played it right,

895
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't be sitting here today because that was

896
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: that's that was the biggest moment in the pilot that

897
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: I think brought people back keep coming back. James was

898
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: so sinister in the pilot, which watching now, I'm like,

899
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: what how did he do seventeen? Blows my mind. At

900
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: the time, we took it for granted, like you just

901
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: expect everyone to show up and do the job. Watching

902
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: it now, you know he's not that far removed from

903
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: my son's age, you know, which is like creepy. He's

904
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: only six years older than Gus was at the time,

905
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: and so super impressive, But I remember them recasting your part.

906
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: It had originally been a character named Reagan. It was

907
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: played by Sam Shelton, who's an awesome actress, great singer

908
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: by the way to great singer, had like a duo

909
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: episode on them, and she was so cool and so fun.

910
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: But when I was told that they were recasting her,

911
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: it was specifically because they wanted Nathan and Haley to

912
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: become a couple. And I remember every time, and Sam

913
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: just wasn't right for that, right, Like those two didn't

914
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: work because Sam was older than I was. So the

915
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: jump from from James to me and then her to

916
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: James was a different chemistry, really different chemistry. And I

917
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: remember thinking when they told me that, like, there's no

918
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: keen way that will work, like Nathan and Tutor girl,

919
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: Like what because he was so like bad, so bad

920
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: in my mind, there was no way to make it work.

921
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: And so it's a real testament to Jane his work

922
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: being able to take Nathan from that dark place into

923
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: like a loved daddy figure. Yeah you know, yeah, And

924
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: he's so genuinely such a good, solid guy that that

925
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: there was there was that was bound to come through.

926
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: Did you know from the jump that they were going

927
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: to put you two together. I have no idea. Yeah, no,

928
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: I never knew that. I didn't either, And by the way,

929
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: it's because I mean I would think if I like

930
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: click into a producer hat for a second. They wanted

931
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: there to be that tension that existed in season one

932
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: where all the fans, because we were piggybacking the end

933
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: of Dawson's Creek, everyone wanted you and Lucas to be

934
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: pasty and Joey Dawson expecting that. Yeah, we all thought

935
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: you guys were maybe going to end up. Yeah, yeah,

936
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: for sure, me too. Did you never went there? Did

937
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: you ever? No? I mean, we such a strong choice.

938
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that ever. Well, we'll find out as

939
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: we keep watching, because I honestly don't remember most of

940
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: the first season. I mean I remembered those moments from

941
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the pilot, but um no, we didn't have that kind

942
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: of just that chemistry wasn't there. It didn't exist. It

943
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: really was a good example of a male female friendship

944
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: that was earnest and like hard when it needed to

945
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: be hard and just kind of Yeah, we didn't really

946
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: see a lot of that where it didn't veer off

947
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: into romantic territory. Yeah, there just wasn't sexual tension there

948
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I don't know, but I think and

949
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: chef walked into the room. I don't think we didn't

950
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: flock that in Karen's cafe, your flustered little reactions, Hello,

951
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: do you know Paul? We were all having dinner it

952
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: deluxe meet Paul and Craig, and I was haying out

953
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: with boys. You were with the grown up a fine time, Joy,

954
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: Joy nailed it this year. Years later. I don't know

955
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: if he came back to the show or if it

956
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: was before he left or something was years later, but

957
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: I had kind of gotten over my crush with him,

958
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: and you know, but we were at dinner and sitting

959
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: there just like Paul a k a Dan Scott, who

960
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I love very very much, but who loves seeing people

961
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: in awkward, uncomfortable situations. It's just pure comedy to him

962
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: and so true to Paul. We're all sitting at the

963
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: table and he goes, hey, Chef, you know Joy, and

964
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a massive question she did in love with you? And

965
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean I just turned like Craig just looked at

966
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: me and I was like, yeah, I think so, I think,

967
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: what are young don't made it. He's such a sweetheart though,

968
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: Like what a great guy. And we loved his daughter. Yeah,

969
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: hot single dad and we would babies it his daughter

970
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: will love you know what. He was looking out for

971
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: us to like, he really was one of the ones

972
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: that was the very few people that was was a

973
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: good listener and would would wanted to hear how our

974
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: experiences were, what we were going through, would give advice freely,

975
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: like just really he really cared, you know. He and

976
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Paul were so special looking back on it, and I've

977
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: told you guys this and I've said it at conventions too,

978
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: but for anybody who's everybody able to hang out with

979
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: us when we shot when we started shooting the season,

980
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: so we came back after this pilot episode, my parents

981
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: came down to Wilmington's to like move me into my apartment,

982
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: like bring dishes, all that kind of stuff, Like I

983
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: was going into my dorm. We went out to dinner

984
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: with James and his mom at like one of those

985
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, riverfront restaurants, and James was like, I mean

986
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: he had to have a chaperone because he was still

987
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: a kid, and so it was almost like we were

988
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: being set up to be buddies, you know, and so

989
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, our parents are making us

990
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: be friends because we're playing boyfriend girlfriend and and then

991
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: afterwards I took my parents to that upstairs French be

992
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: stro um. What the hell was that place called Caprice? Yes,

993
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: and Paul showed up, and Paul is like, so good

994
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: at ordering wine. Paul is so chin and he's so funny,

995
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: and I think we were laughing and at some point,

996
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: like I laughed and touched his knee and was like, oh,

997
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: you old scamp, you know, like one of those moves,

998
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: and my parents mood changed and we left and my

999
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: parents were like, you are not dating him. Don't even

1000
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: think about it. And it had never occurred to me,

1001
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, oh maybe I will an option.

1002
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: The world's opened up, but when you're all new, it's

1003
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: also so funny to us, because I mean, Joy had

1004
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: the the smart sites, I think, but I don't know,

1005
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: at least for me, like and I imagine as we've

1006
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: talked about it for you. I looked at Paul and

1007
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: Craig like they were supposed to be playing our dads.

1008
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: They're only sixteen years but at the time, because I

1009
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: still felt like such a little kid. It never occurred

1010
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: to me that they were not actually our parents age.

1011
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: And so now like you telling me that Jeff and

1012
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Paul are the same age blew my mind. I was

1013
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: like what. And when we watched the episode, you know,

1014
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: when I met Jeff, he was like, oh, I auditioned

1015
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: for that show. And I'm like, wait what. And my husband, Jeffrey,

1016
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: audition for Cheffer's part, and he was like, yeah, you know,

1017
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: I like the whole like gritty garage, you know, that

1018
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: like edgy thing. Yes, Joy was onto something, you know,

1019
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: and l hef a shown up in those type jeans

1020
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: the chef was wearing. Can you imagine. Yeah, I would

1021
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: have definitely had kids earlier. That's a totally different behind

1022
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: the scenes scan. And by the way, the the wildness

1023
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: of you while we watched the pilot like this would

1024
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: have actually been mind blowing because you talk about in

1025
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: that scene in the car where you stop and you

1026
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: like make the face at Chad, You're like, oh, that's

1027
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: my kids staring back at me. It's weird. It actually

1028
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: what I was like, My god, it would have been

1029
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: so crazy. Yeah, you know, my son is probably going

1030
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: to be an actor, like he has already dived into

1031
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: directing stuff and really really loves it, and I don't

1032
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: want him to do it until he has a real

1033
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: clear sense of who he is because I was so

1034
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: like wishy washy and I didn't grow up in the

1035
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: industry the way he has. You know, I was super

1036
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: green from Virginia, you know, I didn't know anything about

1037
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: film work. Meanwhile, he's like a pro. Now. I still

1038
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: don't want him to do it till he's eighteen. Um. Yeah,

1039
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: but to see my face, my child's face in a

1040
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: cheerleading uniform, I'm like, oh my god, it's gush, just

1041
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: making those surly little faces and like super ground be

1042
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: and very dramatic. It's it's it is weird seeing like

1043
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: the kid and yourself. Yeah, I'm protective of it. Yeah, well,

1044
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: and it makes me a little bit emotional. I mean, firstly,

1045
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: let me just say on the subject of things we deserve, um,

1046
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm proud of us for caring about

1047
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: each other enough to have you know, been at this

1048
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: and be such fierce you know, lovers of and defenders

1049
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: of each other for all these years. And I'm I

1050
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: love that we're doing this and we're you know, taking

1051
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: back our joy from a place that had so much

1052
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: of it but also had not joyous experiences. And and

1053
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of wild because I feel that too. I

1054
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: feel so protective of you both, and I feel protective

1055
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: of my young self, and I feel so detective of

1056
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: brook Davis, like she's a person like I get surly

1057
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: if anyone tries to come for her. And then I

1058
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: have it also from Peyton then, like I remember some

1059
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: like quote unquote fan on the internet, like you know,

1060
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: tried to say why Peyton was a bad brand, and

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't know the first thing about

1062
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: what Peyton Sawyer did for Brooke Davis. And I was like, wow,

1063
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: this is an irrational reaction that it is not appropriate

1064
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: in any way. But I just I don't know. It's

1065
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: it's nostalgic and beautiful and and intense a little to

1066
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: watch that pilot, not so like full disclosure. I cried afterwards,

1067
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: because you watch it and like the sense memories there,

1068
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Like I remember what the river court smelled like next

1069
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: to the river in the middle of the night. I

1070
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: remember like that humidity and also the smell of the lights,

1071
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, and there's just like such sense memory about it,

1072
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: and we had no idea in that moment that the

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: thing that we were making at twenty one years old

1074
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: was going to be the thing that became like the

1075
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: cornerstone of our life when people stopped me in the

1076
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: grocery store. Like every once in a while it's white

1077
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: collar or a Christmas movie or something, but of the time,

1078
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: it's this show. And it makes you think like, oh,

1079
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: maybe I would have made some differential if I knew

1080
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: that this was going to live forever. There was no

1081
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: streaming then there was like internet, that's right, doesn't even

1082
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: exist anymore. That we had no idea what was coming, well,

1083
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: we didn't. Yeah, we didn't know what was ahead in

1084
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: terms of the good or the bad of it. What

1085
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: was your favorite moment from the pilot as a viewer,

1086
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 1: I feel like this is what we should do every

1087
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: every episode. What was our favorite moment just as a

1088
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: view were Yeah, I loved Karen ripping down a new

1089
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: one in the car dealership. Because now that we're we're

1090
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: the age that Moira was when we shot that, Like

1091
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: if my agents sent me those sides and was like, hey,

1092
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: do you want to do this show? Like, yes, yes,

1093
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: I do. Thank you so much. Like she just it

1094
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: was a great character. She knew exactly how to play

1095
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: the piste off Mama Bear. Um, and it's fun to watch.

1096
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch Moira. She's so so good and scary,

1097
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: like a little scary. Yeah, her on your team. Yeah.

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: I think probably just that that big game at the

1099
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: end on the river court, when the guys are facing

1100
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: off with each other, that was the stakes were so heightened.

1101
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: And um, I think that and I and I do

1102
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: remember really loving, uh, the the image of the guy

1103
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: who was not Chad but doing Chad stand in walking

1104
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: across just bouncing that the iconic image from the show

1105
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: and Van walking across the bridge basketball. It was such

1106
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: a it was such great brilliant imagery. Whoever came up

1107
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: with that shot, it's brilliant. It like sticks in my head.

1108
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: And then um and then you and and chat at

1109
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks always sticks in my head to the

1110
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: You're you were so natural, you felt so comfortable in

1111
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: front of the camera Hillary and Um there was like

1112
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: an instant I don't know that the chemistry between the

1113
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: two of you guys in that moment. I felt it,

1114
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: and it I remember that tugged at my heart. Instantly

1115
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: on the show. I was like, I think I'm in.

1116
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm in on this show and and um,

1117
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: and then the moment on the basketball court really tied

1118
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: it all up for me. Absolutely. I agree that basketball

1119
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: scene is just so good because you know what the

1120
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: stakes are for these families, and and something about this

1121
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: sort of dynastic element of what is that word smart

1122
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: she went to space scamps, you know, but but truly

1123
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: the this notion that this character of Dan Scott has

1124
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: a dynasty essentially in the small town, and and the

1125
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: element of of what his hyper masculine, sort of patriarchal

1126
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: story is with this, you know, his progeny, his son

1127
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: who's you know, next in line for the throne, and

1128
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: then this other kid who by no choice of his

1129
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: own is sort of stuck in this mess, and the

1130
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: woman who has been harmed by playing his mother. Like

1131
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: it's so good, and and then you realize, as these

1132
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: two boys essentially are in this gladiator battle, that neither

1133
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: of them chose this, and that it's going to affect

1134
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: them for the rest of their lives. I just remember

1135
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: thinking how elemental it felt, and I had that same

1136
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: moment of like, I'm I'm in, and I loved how

1137
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: it was constantly reinforced similarly the you know, I couldn't

1138
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: relate to that family story, but what I could relate

1139
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: to was being a part of a world but still

1140
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: feeling like an outsider in it. You know, from the outside,

1141
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: maybe I looked like I had it together or like,

1142
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I was in this club or that club,

1143
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: or did theater or seemed popular, but I always I

1144
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: always felt more like Peyton. I always felt really uncomfortable, uh,

1145
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: sort of in the skin of that place. You did

1146
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: a good job, so because you came in with Brooke

1147
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: Davis just like you and like like But I had

1148
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: to be someone I couldn't relate to, and so that's

1149
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: actually what made it easier for me. And and I

1150
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: always felt a little uncomfortable in a room of people

1151
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: who seemed like they had it all together. And the

1152
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,479
Speaker 1: moment that made me feel seen was the cutting back

1153
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: and forth, almost montage style, in the scenes where Nathan's

1154
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: driving the school bus, all the cool kids are partying

1155
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: and Peyton's a cool kid, but she's not there, and

1156
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: she's driving her car listening to angsty music by herself,

1157
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: and it's cutting back and forth between these two driving scenes,

1158
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: and and Nathan almost drives into the train and you

1159
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: almost run Lucas over and everybody stops and it I

1160
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: don't know. That was the thing that made me feel seen.

1161
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, I have felt that. I get that.

1162
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: What were you listening to in your car by yourself

1163
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: in high school? Man, Iryl Crow who ended up coming

1164
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: on the shower her Um, Yeah, Cheryl Crow. It's funny

1165
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: because I grew up listening to Motown with my mom

1166
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: and the Eagles with my dad, and then I got

1167
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: really into I think, just like being a kid who

1168
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: lived in l A. You know, it was the era

1169
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: of Tupac and the Tupac in Biggie Battle. And then

1170
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school and Chronic two

1171
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: thousand and one came out and I was like, dr

1172
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: is the coolest. So I was just like this, you know,

1173
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: really gangly, little white girl who loved wrap. Yeah. I

1174
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to listen to modern music really, and so

1175
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: I you know, with Peyton and all are dumb Vinyl,

1176
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, that was who I was. The only music

1177
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: I could get was what we could check out at

1178
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: the library because I didn't have necessarily money growing up

1179
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: to go and buy CDs or tapes or whatever. So

1180
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: we checked out stuff from the Sterling Public Library and

1181
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: I remember getting like my Culture Club albums, Like I

1182
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: was obsessed with boy George. I was so obsessed with

1183
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: androgyny and like sexuality analytics, Boy George, David Bow Girl.

1184
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: I was on a real gender bender kick, and so

1185
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: Peyton coming in with a lot of masculine energy felt

1186
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: like good to me. I was like, this chick can

1187
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: kiss anybody she wants. This will be great, um, which

1188
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of the fan base is

1189
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: picked up on, you know, like there is a large

1190
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: part of the fan base that's like Payton's Gate, right,

1191
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, there's time. Life is long. Um.

1192
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was you know what was fun for me.

1193
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: I would love to know where all those records ended up. Yeah,

1194
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: scattered to the wind. I stole some things for you

1195
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: from set when we wrapped up, but they'd packed those

1196
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: records up by then. I was pretty tested about them.

1197
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like, where did they go? Do you love

1198
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: woody sarcasm and talking fast? And are you longing to

1199
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: return to Stars Hall of for one more trip? To

1200
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: Kim's Antiques or just to pick up a few things

1201
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: at Dosie's Market. It's an overnight stay. It's a dragon

1202
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: flame on your list of plans for a getaway is

1203
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: a burger from Luke's Diner on the menu for tonight.

1204
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: This is Scott Patterson. I was Luke Danes for one

1205
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: fifty three episodes and in four Netflix movies I Am

1206
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: all In and I Heart Radio Podcast. Come hang with us.

1207
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: We're read watching together. We're visiting with all our favorite

1208
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: cast and crew members. We talk fast. We've got a

1209
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: lot to say. Listen to I Am all In wherever

1210
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts, Ladies and gentlemen. It's time for

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01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: most likely to Okay, so we're gonna try and do

1212
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: this at the end of every episode. Who is most

1213
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: likely to um? You know, like in high school, Like

1214
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: in your high school, maybe you had this in your yearbook.

1215
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: We should ask the fans what they're most likely to

1216
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: were so we can get some idea. I like that idea.

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01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I mean I feel like in

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: most year books, like the one I hear about, a

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01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: lot is most likely to succeed. M Are there others

1220
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: that you would prefer to you. I mean, I think

1221
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: this idea of success in this first episode is such

1222
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: a major point because obviously, on paper, Dan Scott is

1223
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: it is likely to succeed. But as we know that

1224
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That's the malarkey. Yeah right, Who do we

1225
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: feel like, who's most really succeeded in this world? And well,

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01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: I guess to find success right in high school? Typically,

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: most like succeed means the person who's going to what

1228
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: make the most money, build the biggest business in that way. Yeah, yeah,

1229
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's different definitions to success. It's like not

1230
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: the kid joining Peace Corps, you know what I mean?

1231
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: And now we're like, it should be the kid. Um.

1232
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Karen has raised a child who loves her,

1233
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: and I think as like adults now we realize that something. Yeah,

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: I mean a kid that communicates with you and loves

1235
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: you and lets you into their world is a big deal.

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01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: Someone with a strong moral character you can drop into

1237
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: any scenario and they're going to do the right thing,

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's massive success for sure. I

1239
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: think most likely to succeed is Barry Corbin, a little

1240
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: bit who plays code twite who But when we were

1241
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: shooting one tree. Hill had been in more television shows

1242
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: and movies like the length of Barry's career is nuts,

1243
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: and like just dropped into this world of freaking teenagers

1244
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: and was like, doues, I'm want to own this. For

1245
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, no one had a

1246
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: better time in Wilmington's than Barry Corbett. Oh yeah, good god.

1247
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: We should try and get him. Come come in and

1248
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: chat with us. I would give to hear Barry's stories

1249
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: because he just watched us and like enjoyed that, like

1250
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: watches the cattle. That interesting, what's happening over there? Okay,

1251
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to say I think my vote for most

1252
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: likely to succeed in this episode is going to be Mouth.

1253
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: I think watching him on the river court do his thing,

1254
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: he was so driven and focused and it really set

1255
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: the set the tone for him as a character throughout

1256
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the series. Everything that he was always

1257
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: driving at he provided so much ammunition and fuel for

1258
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: so many different storylines. And he was just always always

1259
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: chasing a dream, you know. And I left that about him.

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01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: That's my boat. He bought a lot of energy. What

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: about you, oh man? I was really like, you're right,

1262
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: it's Karen, that's the way to go. And now I'm like, oh,

1263
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: but I'm so bad at this. I've never been able

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: to pick a thing. I don't know. I think it's

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01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: funny because then I sorry, well, yes, and obviously he's brilliant,

1266
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: but like the Pilot feels very set up to give Lucas,

1267
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: who's always been the outcast, his first taste of success,

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Speaker 1: like that boy gets his first win in the Pilot,

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Speaker 1: and I think what they set up is the audience

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Speaker 1: curiosity as to whether or not he's going to be

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Speaker 1: able to hold onto it, like you come back to

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Speaker 1: see which of them gets the ball next time, and

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Speaker 1: that I think is a really brilliant device. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say the most likely succeed for me is the

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Speaker 1: town of Wilmington's, because this show was such a love

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Speaker 1: letter to that town. The way it shot is so beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and it has set up like a tourism industry that has,

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Speaker 1: you know, surpassed anything I think anyone ever expected. And

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Speaker 1: like Dawson's didn't take place in North Carolina. They were

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Speaker 1: like cheating cape Cod. I guess Willmington for Cape Cod,

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Speaker 1: and so I think Wilmington's came out such a winner.

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Speaker 1: You did this to such another level. It's a metaphor.

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Speaker 1: This is why she should be running the film commission. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I don't join clubs anymore. Um. The Drama Queen Club

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Speaker 1: is the only one. I'm a part of it, Drama

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Speaker 1: Queen jan Um. So next week we have episode one

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Speaker 1: or two the places you have come to fear the most.

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Speaker 1: That sounds done dangerous because I'm showing up like Hellyan

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Speaker 1: and my bad hair. Oh please, that was a bad haircut.

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Speaker 1: It was so cool then, but good god, I just

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Speaker 1: I wish we'd had one. Comes back to hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it all comes back to hair. Yeah, I'm into it.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all better watch the episode because we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have some things to say in our hot little bod

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Speaker 1: show up. We can't wait to see you guys next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Have a good night.

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Speaker 1: All about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all

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Speaker 1: about them high school queens. We'll take you for a

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Speaker 1: ride in our comic girl Cheering for the drama queens

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Speaker 1: up girl fashion, but you'll up girls. You could sit

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Speaker 1: with us Girl Drama, Queeze, Dramaqueene Drama Queen's drama drawn

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Speaker 1: mc queen's drama Queens