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Speaker 2: It's time to beat? Oh yeah, it's Monday. You're feeling

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Speaker 2: combat sports show of all time. They call it Morning

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Speaker 2: Combat Metal Arcs Studios, Manhattan and Monday, November eighteenth, two

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Speaker 2: thousand and twenty four. Tyson Paul is behind us, were

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Speaker 2: behind you have seen three oh nine behind us? Uh,

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Speaker 2: my name is Brian Campbell, your host, your co host,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, the alpha of the two, right, the American

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Speaker 2: born Luke Thomas Luke if we uh, you know, I

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Speaker 2: was a little salty pre show, Jesus whatever. We decided

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, you know it was weird, man Like. There

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Speaker 2: The best part of that broadcast was obviously that incredible

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Speaker 2: You know, well, hey, we're back at it. This is

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Speaker 2: what we do. Thank you for joining us, folks. So

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed the fights this weekend. We will

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Speaker 2: break down those two Monster Mega events, answer your questions

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Speaker 2: in dms from donks, and of course Luke's gonna find

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Speaker 1: You know what, here's the problem. Do we have Tyson

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we do have elder abuse a little.

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Speaker 1: People were mad when I was like, dude, stretch this guy,

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Speaker 1: and you want to see Mike get stretched? And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: What's up, guys?

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Speaker 1: How are we tired?

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Speaker 2: You got anything to say? Say what you need to say?

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Speaker 2: So did you rip a bong with the guy?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean which while?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sometimes, Luke, combat sports is so shitty that you

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Speaker 2: So why don't we do the show? You know, Luke,

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Speaker 1: Right, Explain to me how this is gonna go. Because

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a steepe in the JDS two.

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Speaker 1: So which started a JDS fight, not the second I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: He was forty fucking two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but have you seen him on a three year layoff?

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you can't say nice things about John.

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Speaker 2: It well the you know, Dana glade John heavily afterwards

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Speaker 1: A couple of times he was retreating.

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Speaker 2: He was retreating heavily. It was he was getting hit

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Speaker 2: There was just a little bit and again we're talking

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, legitimate injury return from John. There

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Speaker 2: For the most part, very impressed. I was a little

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Speaker 2: what else did you know?

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about defensively, right, So he's got that

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Speaker 1: But what I can say is if you did that

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Speaker 2: It looked pretty good, It looked well rounded, It looked dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if he could there's so many heavyweights

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Speaker 2: he is everything, Luke, if you're being fair that we

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Speaker 2: we were waiting for for so long yea, and neither

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Speaker 2: I think I think the reactions to punches like I

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Speaker 2: get to add nauseam. But this whole idea of like,

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Speaker 2: is John only doing this anti Aspinall stance because it's

436
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 2: all about the money and he's doing a full on

437
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,720
Speaker 2: negotiation takeover? Or is it because he fears that he

438
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Speaker 2: would lose to Aspenall? And I think we all wonder

439
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 2: that knowing Aspinall's hand, speed and power, But I think

440
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Speaker 2: that I didn't see full confidence. Now it's understandable because

441
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 2: John's coming off a layoff and a serious injury, but

442
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Speaker 2: I didn't see full confidence in how he dealt with

443
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Speaker 2: the potential of stepe striking in terms of the body

444
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Speaker 2: language and in the way that he moved in all

445
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Speaker 2: of that. So, but I also think, like, look, he's

446
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Speaker 2: got a kind of prove to himself too that he

447
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 2: can do this at this level. You know what I mean.

448
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,679
Speaker 2: When you are gone for that time, it is a

449
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Speaker 2: lot for the mind to run in question himself. I

450
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Speaker 2: think he's still kind of learning who he is as

451
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Speaker 2: heavyweight right along with us, and with that it brought No,

452
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 2: he's not the same guy as those those people you

453
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Speaker 2: meant you referenced by any chance, But I think he's

454
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Speaker 2: a more well grounded fighter now. I think he's used

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Speaker 2: the time off effectively. He's training like crazy. I mean,

456
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Speaker 2: we're going to play a video in a second about

457
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Speaker 2: that spinning back that shows that's not a lucky strike

458
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Speaker 2: that happened. Like he is a true class student of

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Speaker 2: this game. It's can he hold off those physical failings

460
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Speaker 2: and continue to stay efficient and is he going to

461
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Speaker 2: be able to hurt people consistently? I think the full

462
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Speaker 2: package you should have consistently.

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Speaker 1: He's got one more fight left tops. I mean, I

464
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Speaker 1: don't know what consistently at all, I will say this.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to beat up on the commentary team

466
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Speaker 1: because we know Annik and I think he does a

467
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Speaker 1: phenomenal job. He's the best, one of the best, if

468
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Speaker 1: not the best play by play guy in the entire sport.

469
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Speaker 1: He's just a credit to the sport itself. We love

470
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Speaker 1: John Anick, and I think these guys are dealing with

471
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Speaker 1: restrictions on what they can reasonably say because there's no

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Speaker 1: other way to explain. And this is more criticism of

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Speaker 1: Rogan and DC and I, you know, are.

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Speaker 2: You trying to say that hoofy didn't look like prime

475
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Speaker 2: Connor McGregor when Connor.

476
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Speaker 1: Moments he had some cool moments. Just that look away uppercut.

477
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 2: Was bad ass, I know, but that statement was maybe yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: particular times.

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Speaker 1: But like the way in which they tried to present

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Speaker 1: this like we were still living at two ninety five again,

481
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Speaker 1: which by the way, even then it didn't even make

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Speaker 1: any sense within a year and a half. On top

483
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Speaker 1: of it, where you're like, they're trying to be like,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, this is they were trying to be like,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, if you can even in the Paul craigfight,

486
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Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, if you can submit Jamal Hill,

487
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: you can submit anyone, and I'm like, Jamal Haw's a

488
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Speaker 1: good fighter, but what the fuck are you talking about?

489
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Speaker 1: For John? That doesn't make any sense at all. And

490
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Speaker 1: then in the main event, they're like, you know, to

491
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Speaker 1: beat this, to beat Steve Amochichen like the greatest heavyweight.

492
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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, he's not fighting the guy that whooped

493
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Speaker 1: for Doom.

494
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Speaker 2: They were heavy and propaganda.

495
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Speaker 1: It was to the point where I was like, dude,

496
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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you all? This is not even real.

497
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: It's not even remotely accurate. You're not describing reality. This

498
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: is something else. And I feel like that honestly does

499
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Speaker 1: a bit of a disservice to Jones, who again, if

500
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Speaker 1: you're just watching Jones, he did a lot of very cool,

501
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: awesome things. There was a lot of ability still showed.

502
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Speaker 1: But now we're having to deal with this propaganda about

503
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Speaker 1: it's the baddest guy on the planet and did.

504
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Speaker 2: He They are playing to his ego at every turn,

505
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Speaker 2: though I think it's calculated.

506
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Speaker 1: I saw so many casual fans being like, dude, to

507
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Speaker 1: beat the guy who was the number one heavyweight, and

508
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Speaker 1: I'm like Fellas, Fellas, he's closer to Jimmy Carter than

509
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Speaker 1: he is fucking you know.

510
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Speaker 2: He also got knocked out by the best heavyweight right now,

511
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Speaker 2: Francis and Ghana right on his last one.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I really felt like this. This is

513
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like people keep talking about the UFC

514
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: is like a free speech organization. They're the most restrictive

515
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Speaker 1: free speech organization on or or not restrictive speech organization

516
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Speaker 1: on the planet. That's who they are. And part of

517
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Speaker 1: it bleeds into any number of directions, not least of

518
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Speaker 1: which is the commentary. And then you get this representation.

519
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Speaker 1: And again, I think they're doing the best that they

520
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Speaker 1: can with the rules that they have been told.

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Speaker 2: Didn't they do that with the whole gone situation involving

522
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Speaker 2: John They talk about Gon as being the number one

523
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Speaker 2: heavyweight that he beat. It's like gon was coming off.

524
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Speaker 1: Of a loss to Francis here and near.

525
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: A near loss to not near loss, but like a

526
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Speaker 2: scare against Tuivas, have a back and forth against in

527
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Speaker 2: a fight where you're like, did he take a step back?

528
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Speaker 2: And his you know, and his evolution and his growth

529
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Speaker 2: and all that. It is a constant propaganda reframing of it,

530
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Speaker 2: it really is. But I wonder if it's like calculated

531
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Speaker 2: to pump up John's eagle, calling him the pomp upon

532
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Speaker 2: number one as he walked into the press conference, like

533
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Speaker 2: there's been signed maybe changing the gloves because of him,

534
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Speaker 2: just maybe like there's been signs that they are trying

535
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Speaker 2: to keep him as confident and happy and almost worshiped

536
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Speaker 2: as possible. Let's hear from John though, because that finishing kick,

537
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Speaker 2: I wish we could show you the highlight was absolutely

538
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Speaker 2: nasty and it was a shotgun sound. It was like

539
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Speaker 2: when I was ringside for Glovekin versus Matthew macke You remember,

540
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Speaker 2: and that body punch went.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when who was the big kicker, the

542
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Speaker 1: Russian guy that Ben Askron beat up in Bellatoor?

543
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about k Remember.

544
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Speaker 1: When Koreshkroff broke seven of chance ribs.

545
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Speaker 2: It was a lot loud noise. This was a strike

546
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Speaker 2: by the way that John had prepped continuously coming in.

547
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Speaker 2: Let's hear from Bony.

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Speaker 5: I really want to give a shout out to my

549
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Speaker 5: takwando coach, a guy named Paige Baits from Albuquerque in

550
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Speaker 5: New Mexico. His family owns Baits Taekwondo and Albuquerque in

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Speaker 5: New Mexico. We started about six months ago.

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Speaker 3: A right, guys, I don't think this clips.

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Speaker 1: He would come all right, well three days A wait,

554
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Speaker 1: what are we just take it off the fucking screen?

555
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: Then? All right?

556
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Speaker 1: So, uh sure this is the worst show in America.

557
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Speaker 2: And sure John said that they would they would work

558
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Speaker 2: on that kick for three hours a day. I believe

559
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Speaker 2: you're sorry, three hours a week focused exactly on that

560
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: kick from both kick before.

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Speaker 1: This is not the first time.

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Speaker 2: Right, but this is a weapon at heavyweight against the

563
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Speaker 2: slower fight.

564
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Speaker 1: A heavyweight who can leave his feet like this. This

565
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Speaker 1: was my biggest takeaway from the from the fighter, one

566
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Speaker 1: of the biggest ones. John still very much is a

567
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Speaker 1: very good heavyweight. I don't know if he's the best one,

568
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Speaker 1: and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying the most well rounded. We're saying he's definitely the most.

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Speaker 1: Well rounded for sure. And the experience level that he's got,

571
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Speaker 1: even if Francis is number one, you know, John's experience

572
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: is just absurd. It's second to none. I don't know

573
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Speaker 1: if he's the best one. He could be, but at

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Speaker 1: a bare minimum, he's still very much one of the

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Speaker 1: one of the top guys in the division. I don't

576
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Speaker 1: think Steve Amochic can beat anyone in the top fifteen fifteen. Wow, okay,

577
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Speaker 1: you say that you're ready for this.

578
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Speaker 2: Wow, dude, this is not a deep division.

579
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, you say that.

580
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Speaker 2: I mean he's old as shiite.

581
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Speaker 1: You say that. I didn't believe that out either until

582
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Speaker 1: I went and looked myself and I was like, I

583
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: cannot confidently say he beats any of these.

584
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of Tyburro's in this division.

585
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Speaker 1: Tiber beats him. Did you see Tyburrow in this card?

586
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: He beats him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not Long Island, Luke.

588
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Speaker 1: I know you're busy. Does Marchen Tibura beat this version

589
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Speaker 1: of Steepe? Fuck?

590
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Speaker 3: That's a that's a tough mess.

591
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Speaker 1: Is okay? He's sitting at twelve eleven Marcos Jugerio Delima.

592
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Speaker 3: Stepe beats him.

593
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: Okay, fifty to fifty.

594
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Speaker 2: Hold on pause one second, Long Island, Luke, what's up?

595
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: Was Steepe old and slow and washed this entire fight

596
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Speaker 2: or only after Jones took him down?

597
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Speaker 1: Entire fight?

598
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm realizing that was the entire fight.

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Speaker 3: I mean we were talking about it before, dude. I

600
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: was already pretty toasted. By the time the main event

601
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: came on. But I will say on paper, going into

602
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: this fight, I thought step A was gonna look old

603
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Speaker 3: as shit, so I'm not that surprised that he looked

604
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: at that.

605
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Now, maybe he does beat Waldo Cortez a coasta.

606
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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

607
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 6: Like?

608
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Speaker 1: Twelve is tay to I vasa as bad as that's been.

609
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: I think the handspeed could give Stepe a ton of problems.

610
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Speaker 1: Eleven is Derek Lewis. I'm sorry, Derek Lewis smokes this

611
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: version of him. He does pried they never fall right,

612
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Surprise a surprise. Ten rosenstruk the hand speed. Sorry. Nine

613
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Speaker 1: Tabora eight is mio chicch Seven Spivak, I mean, get

614
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Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. Spivak washes him.

615
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a full fact.

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Speaker 1: Dude, you're out of your mind. I can buy that.

617
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Speaker 1: Delema and a cost One.

618
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Speaker 2: Judge gave Steve a round two against John.

619
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Speaker 1: I went back and I watched. I don't agree, but

620
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Speaker 1: it was closer than it was close ish, Yes, I

621
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Speaker 1: didn't agree. I gave it to John as well.

622
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Speaker 2: He had no power on his shots at all, nothing, no.

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Speaker 1: Pop, and everyone wants to make it. He would have

624
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Speaker 1: been thirty four years old, but for the three and

625
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Speaker 1: a half ground pound and listen to three and a

626
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: half minutes of ground pound was nasty. That's a lot.

627
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure face not break open by the way, I'm

628
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: sure it affected him. Dude, I'm telling you BC the

629
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: body language when he's being introduced before the second JDS fight,

630
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Speaker 1: he's pacing back and forth, jumping in the air, biting

631
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: on his mouth piece to it his way, high fiving

632
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: his corner.

633
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: He had a biting fixation.

634
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Don't listen to me high fiving his corner, like dude,

635
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: unfucking this guy was just fucking sitting there waiting to

636
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: be assassinated. Totally.

637
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, look, I admit it fooled me in the moment

638
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: to thinking like pound for pound, John was back apparently

639
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: a full data unless he's just being a great marketer.

640
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: Let's listen to the UFC CEO react.

641
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: That's the greatest fighter ever. But to do that to

642
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Steve A and just turn him off with a spinning

643
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: back kick of everything, just what was your reaction?

644
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 7: And the kicks that started right from the jump hurt

645
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: him with the first kick.

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Speaker 1: This guy's fight.

647
00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 7: IQ is off the charts, and you know, everybody gonna

648
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 7: admit now that he's for pomp best fighter in the

649
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 7: world there. Yeah, no, And let me tell you what

650
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 7: this thing had. Uh this thing he had upset written

651
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Speaker 7: all over it too. I mean Steve All to talk

652
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 7: about John Jones step A seemed pissed, focused, and you

653
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 7: know he came here to win. He looked good, he

654
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 7: was physically in great shape. The list goes on and on,

655
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 7: and John literally picked him apart. The jab was unbelievable tonight.

656
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 7: How he was kicking the legs and the body. Every

657
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 7: time he kicked the body, I thought it was over,

658
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 7: and then he would go for the head kick and

659
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 7: slipping punches. I mean, he's gonna be thirty eight years

660
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 7: old this summer. He looked, he looked incredible. I just

661
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 7: don't know how any of you don't see that this

662
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 7: guy's the fucking greatest fighter in the history of fucking

663
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 7: people fighting. It's he's thirty seven going on thirty eight,

664
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 7: and again tonight he went in and did what he did.

665
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 7: He's fucking unbelievable and as long as he's active, he's

666
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 7: the pound for pound best fighter in the world.

667
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, he's not, and no one's arguing that he's not

668
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: the goat by the way, But what do you make

669
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: like he's basically saying that he's the greatest fighter ever.

670
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: Like I feel like they're they're now close to trying

671
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: to say that that in competitive fighting in the history

672
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: of it, boxing, you know, kickboxing? What have you wrestling?

673
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: Right?

674
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: No?

675
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean like if you include wrestling, then he's

676
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: definitely not right.

677
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: So are they trying to say Is that you think

678
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: that's what they're ultimately trying to say that.

679
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't even pay attention to that. If you wanted

680
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to say that this you.

681
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: Know, he's better than Muhammad a league, I mean like.

682
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: I or I mean I or if you're again, you're

683
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna include wrestling Alexander carrellin Like, get the fuck out

684
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: of here. I mean, we're not, you know, multiple Olympic

685
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: gold medals, Like we're not. Just stop like a in

686
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: a sport with a significantly higher participatory rate, it is

687
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: much harder to make the Russian national team of the

688
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: Soviet team, It is much harder to get I mean,

689
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: just get the fuck out of here. But okay that

690
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't care about if you want it to say, Hey,

691
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: as long as he's active or at any point, I

692
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: consider him the best ever. I think it's totally fine.

693
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: That's the completely legitimate argument, no problem. And I think

694
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: he's in the top three still and you're gonna hate this, BC,

695
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: but just go with me for a second. And you

696
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: know I'm right on this one. You can call me

697
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: the fucking Glizzie King for this. I don't care. Compare

698
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: what Elliot Supporia did against a hold on, hold On.

699
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Are you not gonna tell me it's more impressive than

700
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: beating Excuse me, you're gonna tell me it's more impressive

701
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: or commensurate for John to beat Steepe this version and

702
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: beating fucking Bex Holloway off of the three UFC three

703
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: hundred win. It's just not even remotely the same accomplishment.

704
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: So do you think do you think it should go

705
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: Islam and then either Alex or Eliot two or three,

706
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: depending how you have it, and then John at four. Yes,

707
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: because I tried to just throw out there that he's

708
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: probably still top three, but he's probably really fourth, which

709
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: is dude, to be thirty seven, to have all this

710
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: time off, it's amazing, Like the like. The one thing

711
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: Dan's right on is the well rounded performance was eye opening.

712
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: You just have to obviously weigh against. But you think

713
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: that they're just basically doing full on propaganda machine. I

714
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: think they're also trying as we slowly transition to the

715
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: second topic, I think they're trying to puff up John

716
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: and they know that if he the easier he can win,

717
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: the more dominant he can look, the more willing he's

718
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: going to be a keep and fighting love that man.

719
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: I did love a lot of that offense from John.

720
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: I did love. So here's the deal. I listened to

721
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the pre fight stuff and like people

722
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: like Jail and DC, you know, the biggest question they

723
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: had is could John at heavyweight be a finisher? Could

724
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: he have the striking to finish guys? Look, if he's

725
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: mixing the kicks like he did against Stepe here and

726
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: is setting things up with that big jab and can

727
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: take people down and wear them out, in that regard,

728
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: he won't be a one He won't be a you know,

729
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: one punch or one strike guy. I mean, I think

730
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: he could head kick people out of there, but these

731
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: kicks can get heavyweights out of there, like.

732
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: He Maka is incredibly dynamic. At least it was in

733
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: this fight, and again that you did not have a

734
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: fighter who had fleet of foot and was really using

735
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of lateral movement. He was slow going side

736
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to side, and so.

737
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: She couldn't pick up any of those bodieshines John.

738
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I went back and I looked John hit the spinning

739
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: back kick from both the South Paul and orthodox stance

740
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: because he was just getting him as he would fade

741
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: to one direction of the other. You know, when you

742
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: got a guy who's kind of like incrementally stepping, it's

743
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: a little easier at a time. But I want to

744
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: point out something here. They have John Jones getting one

745
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: of one on takedown attempts from Saturday. I'm sorry. I

746
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: went back and I watched. There was a couple of

747
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: I think at least one more pure wrestling takedown that

748
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: he tried in the middle of the octagon. They got

749
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: completely shut down by a steepe. One thing I did

750
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: notice at the end of John's two oh five run

751
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: was he was having more and more trouble with the takedown. Now. Obviously,

752
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: that fucking Osodo gari that he hit was amazing, amazing, amazing, trip,

753
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: but his standard pure wrestling to me is not as

754
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: dominant as it once was as the sport has caught up.

755
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Small note, fair, small note.

756
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: That is definitely fair. But let it takes us right

757
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: into topic number two. John Jones and what he does next.

758
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: He came out in the cage and said, look, probably

759
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: not retiring now. Didn't say Aspinall's name by you know

760
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: by name, talked about Jesus, talked about Trump, did the

761
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: dance in all of that, but then backstage it almost

762
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: seem like John changes tune. We'll get to that, but Luke,

763
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: what John did say in the postfight press conference is

764
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: to fight Tom Asparall, he's gonna need quote fuck you money,

765
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: and that he ultimately still prefers the Alex Peira fight.

766
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: So I want to play one clip and then I'll

767
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: tee you up to get your reaction. But here is

768
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: John talking about what it would take to get him

769
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: to fight Aspen. What what specifically has he said or

770
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: done to make him an asshole? There's just a lot

771
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: of people on his nuts right now.

772
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: And are we're doing this now?

773
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Uh?

774
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: Is every clip like this John Jones t shirts? It

775
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: seems like we found that out ahead of time.

776
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so John says that John went double down again

777
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: on why he dislikes Aspenall. None of it seems to

778
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: make any sense at all. But did say he's going

779
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: to need fuck you money. So Luke Thomas from all

780
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: the fight week rhetoric and we went over it like

781
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: crazy about is John a goat or a duck? To

782
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: what John has said after the fight? Do you a

783
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: believe that he actually will fight aspinall? And b will

784
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: the UFC pay him handsomely enough to make sure that

785
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: they don't miss the super.

786
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know what the future holds. What I

787
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: can say is the information that has been presented to

788
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: us would lead me if that holds true, that no,

789
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: he would not fight Aspenall. He says he wants fuck

790
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: you money. What does that mean? Could it mean something

791
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: similar to what he referenced what Mike Tyson and Jake

792
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: Paul were getting respectively. We believe twenty million and forty million, Yes,

793
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: let's getting let's average that out. That's thirty million. And

794
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: in fact, that thirty million figure is kind of interesting

795
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: because Dana White had previously noted that is what Deontay

796
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Wilder makes John wants that, and you know, we're just

797
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: not going to change the way we do business. He

798
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: didn't say we're not gonna pay him that. This was

799
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I think twenty twenty two

800
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: when I found that clip. So here's the thing to

801
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: me that like people really misunderstand about the situation. Everyone's like, oh,

802
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: John's got leverage. He's got some leverage. It's not to

803
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: say he has no leverage. He has some. If they

804
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: they would rather have him fight once more than not.

805
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: That gives him some leverage. He doesn't really need to

806
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: fight again. That also gives him some leverage. However, the

807
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: UFC has never paid anyone, not Connor, not Habib, not Nate,

808
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: not Ronda or Brock or Brock fuck you money. It's

809
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: never happened. They've never they listen.

810
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 2: They offered it to Francis for one night against John.

811
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Even that ten million, that's not fuck you money, UC level,

812
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: that's fucking money. No, no, no. John Nash estimated that

813
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: John probably got around ten to thirteen million for Saturday Night.

814
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: He's saying that is insufficient. He wants multiples of He

815
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: literally people have the audacity to be like, oh, he's

816
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: not ducking. Tom and John let slip, and no one

817
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: really picked up on this, but he lets slip. I

818
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: would need some money so great that it would basically

819
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: ensure against the negativity and the feeling I would get

820
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: from losing other fuckers. What proof more do you need

821
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: than he doesn't want to fight the guy? Yes, if

822
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: they come with a fucking brain struck.

823
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: I want to believe it's about the money. I want

824
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: to believe that this is all about.

825
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: What they're trying to do is they're trying to launder

826
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: ducking through some kind of self empowerment. I deserve to

827
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: get paid the kind of argument permission structure, which I

828
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: can see right through. It's fucking bullshit. But more to

829
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the point, it's this BC. If you really want to

830
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: get fuck you money, it doesn't exist inside the Ultimate

831
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: Fighting Championship. Good money, great money can exist there, not

832
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: fuck you money. They don't pay that, they've never paid that.

833
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: We know from the court documents. They're going to keep

834
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: fighter pay aggregately every year at twenty percent or less.

835
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: It's in their documentation that they want a fixed business

836
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: cost as it relates to fighter pay. Second of all,

837
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: while he would be valuable to them because he could.

838
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: They could obviously if depending on where the next television

839
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: deal goes or whatever, when he fights it's important and

840
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: it's big.

841
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let them go fight Francis in this

842
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: mart Age, right.

843
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: They already have a system where they have minimized what

844
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: they call the lumpiness of the pay per view model,

845
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: where it's big one time and small another, and it

846
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: can be quite difficult to predict or at least count,

847
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: on event to event which you're going to get. They

848
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: have more guaranteed contractual revenue than ever You mean to

849
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: tell me that person has leverage over a monopoly that

850
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: controls basically the entire industry. They make ninety cents of

851
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: every dollar in the entire mma industry. It's not possible.

852
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: The way to get fuck you money is to do

853
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: what Francis did. That's how you get fuck you money.

854
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: And if anybody could have done something similar to Francis,

855
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: it is John. John's essential argument is I have enough

856
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: leverage withinside the monopoly system to make the monopoly bend

857
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to me. Once well that your question was will they

858
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: do it? I don't think they'll do that. I may,

859
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to know, but all evidence suggests they've never

860
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: done that, and I don't think that's going to change.

861
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: I think the only one that would have had a

862
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: chance to get few money, real few money, would have

863
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: been Habib. If you would have come back for the

864
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: Connor rematch.

865
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: That you're gonna get.

866
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: Maybe I've gotta have a chance to talk.

867
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'll finish here. I apologize. Maybe

868
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: John sits out a year and a half and he

869
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: gets even older and older, and they decide we really

870
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: want one last big one. Maybe then they come calling

871
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: hard to say, let's see what kind of year they have.

872
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: But as it stands today, I don't think that's likely.

873
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say in that clip that

874
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: we weren't able to play the sound. John basically threatens

875
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: and says, you know, just how much Aspinall doesn't interest him,

876
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: how much Poton is the only fight that does, and

877
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: how basically, hey, I'll just give up the belt and

878
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: retire if that's the case. So I think that's the

879
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: only leverage John will have left really is to threaten that. Okay,

880
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: then I don't want to play ball at all. So

881
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: maybe it's good for John. This next audio piece from

882
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: Dana for how big Dana thinks that John versus Tom

883
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: fight can actually get.

884
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 7: It doesn't have the potential it's gonna be. It's gonna

885
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 7: be the biggest heavyweight fight ever. It'll probably be the

886
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: biggest fight we've ever done. And uh, I hate stadiums, man,

887
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 7: I hate them. I like arenas. It's just such a

888
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 7: better vibe. People can see better. You know, probably not.

889
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 6: And that fight will oversee take place in the USA.

890
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 7: We don't know what we're talking about. We were literally

891
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 7: talking about a lot of different options tonight before.

892
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: We came in here. So England's potential.

893
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 7: Could be anywhere, could literally be anywhere.

894
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So Dana's interesting, Luke, biggest fight ever, He's basically

895
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: saying that this will be from a revenue standpoint, I

896
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: think he's saying and that would have to be Connor

897
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: versus a Bebe, which set the MMA pay per view

898
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: record of two point four million and was an insane

899
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: gate just the same. So I wonder what the middle

900
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: ground is. What if you know, John's like, hey, I

901
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: need Deontay Wallader thirty million, but they get them for

902
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: nineteen and a half in negotiations because if they're pretending.

903
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: If they're already pretending that this is going to be

904
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: the biggest fight ever, they're gonna have aggressive reason to

905
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: want to get John back, especially since they can say, John, Okay,

906
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: you really want to fight Pooton, then we will guarantee

907
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: you fight him next. If you go in there and

908
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: take this this tome fight and win.

909
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's he doesn't he doesn't want.

910
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: To fight so John. In the clip that won't that

911
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: won't play. He goes on to say that, which I

912
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: hate the way, the term, the way he's doing this,

913
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't have any means to fight

914
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: dangerous up and comers anymore, and that he just but

915
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: he wants Pooton because it's such a legacy.

916
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Fight, blah blah, dangerous champions.

917
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: Dangerous champions. And then you know, when you mix that

918
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: with what he said about Jamal Here and Derek Lewis,

919
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's he's trolling us, And sadly

920
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: I no longer think it's it's only one hundred percent

921
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: of a ploy to get more money into negotiate publicly.

922
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: I want to believe that. I want to believe that

923
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: he'd even risk like his own name and all of

924
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: us calling him a duck and all this bad you

925
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: know PR, Then you can say, well, is there's such

926
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: a thing as bad PR. Maybe he's playing us like

927
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: a puppet. I no longer think that when you take

928
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: all of his quotes in totality, he's afraid to lose

929
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: to this guy. Yes, not, you know, I'm not saying

930
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: he's not afraid of He's not afraid of him. He's

931
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: not afraid to fight him backstage. He's afraid to lose

932
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: to this guy. Which leads me back to some of

933
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: those moments against Stepe where in the second round where

934
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: Steve is flat footed, arm punching, and John's having almost

935
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: trouble like believing he can stand in there and swivel

936
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: with that. John looks great. The UFC sold it as

937
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: he's back and he's pumped upon number one. But we're

938
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: really learning from John that he doesn't believe he can

939
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: win this way.

940
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: I think he certainly has doubts about it. When you

941
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: say you want money sufficient to make you feel like

942
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: soothe the pain, the inevitability right, when you say you

943
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: want money to basically soothe the pain from a loss,

944
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: what you are saying, is yes, at that point, the

945
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: money is so great that I don't care that I

946
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: lose your note. He's not putting those conditions on the

947
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Poeton fight. Why why would you put one condition on

948
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: one fight and not the other. Presumably people think, oh,

949
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: you're going to make more money doing one versus the other.

950
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: Actually feel like Dan's right on this one. I'm not

951
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: saying it will be the biggest fight in USC history.

952
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's what I can say BC John

953
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Jones versus Tom aspinall is everything, John Jones versus Steve

954
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: amyochic pretended that it was. It is for the you know,

955
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: Francis is out there. But as a marketing tag, you

956
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: could say it's for the baddest man on the planet.

957
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: You could say it's for all the marbles. And by

958
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: the way, he would be one of John's very best

959
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: wins on his already very very respectable and decorated resume.

960
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: That's where we are. But this notion that he would

961
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: be equally willing to fight Tom, equally willing to fight

962
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Polton is out to lunch. I don't think he's afraid.

963
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he's a smart fighter who knows he's lost

964
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: a step or two and wants to hedge what's left

965
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: and using what little leverage he has left to get there.

966
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: Whether it will be effective, I have my doubts. We

967
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: shall see now.

968
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Dana, for the record, said that seeing this performance against

969
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Steepey means that he doesn't ever want to see Perreira

970
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: against John because he thinks John will just take him

971
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: down and sit on him and basically dominate him, and

972
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: doesn't think it's worth it. Dana also kind of hedges it, though,

973
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: and said, only if these two came begging and they

974
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: wanted it so badly. But I hate that he put

975
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: that out there too. I like that at the very least,

976
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: it seems like UFC is making that line in the

977
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: stand and saying, you want to fight, it's gotta be Tom.

978
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Both guys have number one contender fights. Un Calive is

979
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: a donk, but he earned it.

980
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tom.

981
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: Aspin All, by the way, you could say he's not

982
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: an established champion, but he is a dangerous champion. Uh,

983
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: he's the number one contender. Both of those guys have

984
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: number one contender fights. I know that sometimes it's not

985
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: fun to acknowledge, Like the architecture of fight sport that

986
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: makes it have some legitimacy. But if you break it

987
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: on moments like this, where the guys are so obviously

988
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: deserving of the opportunity, you really begin to risk eroding

989
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: any semblance of legitimacy that the product is already struggling

990
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: to hold on to.

991
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh, you must be referencing Tyson Paul. We'll talk about that.

992
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying like people want to believe that.

993
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: What John is saying is I have the exact same

994
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: amount of fear of fighting Poetson as I do Tom

995
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Aspinall guys, in certain places, John Jones is more favored

996
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: to beat poet On than he was the ghost of stevee. A. Miocic. Well,

997
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: they is the underdog to tom aspinall use your brain.

998
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Well, John is playing into the joke. We can show

999
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: the update he's done to his social media accounts in

1000
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: the new avatar, which is I mean, who can duck

1001
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 2: with that? But Luke, it plays into the most important

1002
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: question here. The early odds shore offshore odds have this

1003
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: basically a pick up what do you think the odds

1004
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: should be? And just early like, are you seeing a

1005
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: path for a Tom knockout or are you seeing a

1006
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: really competitive potential fiver round classic.

1007
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: He I think this fight would be so exciting for

1008
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: as long as it lasts, and I don't know how

1009
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: long it would go. That's really a function of what

1010
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: John can do. Here's the way I size this up

1011
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Saturday night. My initial impression was John looked so good

1012
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: that I would now slightly favor him over Aspinall. I'm

1013
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna walk that back a little bit. I would either

1014
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: say fifty to fifty or very slightly Aspinall. Aspinall's athletic

1015
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: gifts clearly are going to give John problems if and

1016
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: when they ever fight. But as we've said on this

1017
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: show a million times, Aspinall is untested against anyone who

1018
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: could do anything to push him. We don't know about

1019
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: his cardio over the long haul, we don't know about

1020
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: has ever gone to We just simply don't know, and

1021
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: that is a decisive advantage for John to the extent

1022
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: he could put the fight there for these reasons. BC

1023
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: again poetson. I want to say one more time, guys,

1024
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, the Pochon fight would be better. You're

1025
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a fucking moron if you believe that you're a fucking moron.

1026
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: He is more.

1027
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: I can't say.

1028
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: You can say I want to see John versus Poetson

1029
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: because I like both guys, and you know, to the

1030
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: extent it stands up, it'll be fine. John's gonna do

1031
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: to him what he did to steep Bay in the

1032
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: first round. He's not gonna stand with Poetson. What the

1033
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: fucking smoking the same purple wag you that arew looks

1034
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: over there smoking that' she gonill get your highest balls.

1035
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: The reality is maybe the Poeton fight is a little

1036
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: bit bigger at this point. I think, you know what's funny.

1037
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: I used to think it was way bigger BC. Now

1038
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: I think it's only a little bit bigger because the

1039
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Aspinall fight has grown in value significantly over the course

1040
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: of this week.

1041
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be prime theater to watch the first couple

1042
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: of rounds if we get this fight of seeing what

1043
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: navigate the power and speed of Aspinall and see him

1044
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: try to, you know, keep that distance, take the fight

1045
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: to the ground, and what happens if he does get

1046
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: top position on tom I mean, this could be a

1047
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: this could be maybe this will be their biggest fight.

1048
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: If it happens and it's promoted right, and it's dude.

1049
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna promote this. I'm telling you it's gonna be

1050
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: fucking awesome.

1051
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna old school promoted right right.

1052
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they would do. I mean, John.

1053
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: Press tour, press tour, Come on, come on.

1054
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm telling you, if you love Luke, if

1055
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: they did a press tour, they don't spend that money anymore.

1056
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: I know.

1057
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what we're talking fs, we're talking f's. If

1058
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: they did a press tour for the title unification at heavyweight,

1059
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: John Jones, stepe, excuse me, John Jones, Tom aspinall. How

1060
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: big do you think that would be promoted the right way?

1061
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: How big is that?

1062
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: I still don't know if it's doing like Connor numbers,

1063
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: but it would be big.

1064
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: It's not gonna do the two million buys plus that

1065
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Connor and Habib did. That's not what I'm saying.

1066
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: You could do a mill though.

1067
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I think you could do a mill plus.

1068
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: They did a million and a half.

1069
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: That'd be a monster win monster wow. And and one

1070
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: more point that we never discuss. If John wins, right,

1071
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: consider that, consider John winning, he would get one of

1072
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: the very best wins at all in his career. He

1073
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: would be getting it at age thirty seven, potentially thirty eight,

1074
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: right a gigantic payday. I mean he would be at

1075
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: that point you would beginning to have an argument like

1076
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: John's the best ever and I don't even know want

1077
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: to do this. I don't even know if it's debatable

1078
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: anymore after that. By contrast, this is the point I

1079
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: want to raise if Tom Aspinall were to emerge victorious.

1080
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: We keep talking in the sport about how we don't

1081
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: have enough star power. Well here there's one reason why,

1082
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys don't want to put it

1083
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: on the record or on the line so that star

1084
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: power can transfer from the old generation to the new generation.

1085
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Put it on the line, Max, put it on the

1086
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: fucking line, and look what it's doing for Iliot Suporia.

1087
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: You are enabling for you. I mean, I gotta voter

1088
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: here from here to Hanover. But I'm serious. BC. Robert

1089
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Whitaker suffered because he never got that shot against GSP

1090
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: to grow his legend. Tom Aspinall and the heavyweight division

1091
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: and MMA will suffer if he never gets an opportunity

1092
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: to grow his legend.

1093
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: Worth considering you have Showgun was like, fuck this kid.

1094
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: I know John Jones annoys me. It's I don't want

1095
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: to fight him. It's like, who give you that?

1096
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Fuck annoy final point, it's like, I think we've figured

1097
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: out what this really is from John, and I hate

1098
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: this look for him because of how great he is. John.

1099
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: It's cool when John Jones wins and he's on top

1100
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: and he's awesome, Like you're watching greatness and brilliant. I

1101
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: want to see that. I want to see that on display.

1102
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: They need to pay him whatever the middle ground is

1103
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: that will get him to accept it. They need to

1104
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: do it and let's see this fight. Okay. Final question

1105
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: on this topic. I think it's an important question. Do

1106
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: you think the only chance we have for John to

1107
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: fight Francis before they both are forty is if John

1108
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: goes through Tom and wins. That's got to be the

1109
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: only way it's possible, right, Because some have said on Twitter,

1110
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Twitter is a cesspool of misinformation and misogyny and racism. Yeah,

1111
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: on Twitter, but people say, well, hey, doesn't Francis only

1112
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: have one fight left on his PFL de Yes, that

1113
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: is true. I'm not saying Francis and Dana are going

1114
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: to be friends again. But could the door open?

1115
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: It?

1116
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: Could the door open in ways we don't realize it could.

1117
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: The thing is this John signed and I saw people

1118
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: being like, oh, he's trying to get a new contract, guys.

1119
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: He signed an eight fight deal in January of twenty

1120
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: twenty three. There is no new contractuse.

1121
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: John Francis is like our mma rumble in the jungle,

1122
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: Like this is.

1123
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Like that would be fucking or even Tom Aspital versus

1124
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: fucking Kim Sasha. Dude, you put that motherfucker in the studio.

1125
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.

1126
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Newark Penn. I mean, I've seen worse.

1127
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: I've seen ass there I need to see.

1128
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Every time I go to Newark Pann. Like, is that

1129
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson's ass or just a homeless guy? In all seriousness,

1130
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: if if Dana really wanted to there are some options

1131
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: here that they could have. I mean, could you imagine

1132
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: bringing Francis back to UFC If John doesn't want to

1133
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: do it and they don't want to pay him, Francis

1134
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: comes back and fights Tom Aspital. Holy motherfucking ship.

1135
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: I know that Vince McMahon's under some ship right now.

1136
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: That's of his own doing it seems, but Vince would

1137
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: have done this. Like, say what you want about Vince

1138
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: wick Man, psycho businessman. He'll he is so addicted or

1139
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: was so addicted to doing what's best for business in

1140
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: the company because it's the only thing he cared about

1141
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: that like people he had Dana Versus Francis type type

1142
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: riffs with and he's had it with so many Brett

1143
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: hard Holdcoke and like so many cmpunk whatever. They all

1144
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: come back home in the end because it's best for business.

1145
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: And Vince was able to swallow his pride because he

1146
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: cared more about those, you know, the wins in the

1147
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: box office than anything else. Dana could adopt a little

1148
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: more Vince. I'm not saying, like, you know, he should

1149
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: invite threesomes into the boardroom and like and you know, defecate.

1150
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily going that far. Yeah, that's a little

1151
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: it's all alleged though, to be fair. But damn all right,

1152
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: let's keep the show going, you ready, Let's get fired up.

1153
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Topic number three is not just the UFC three or

1154
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: nine co main event, which turned out to beta, but

1155
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: the rest of the card as well. And in that

1156
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: comin event, Charles Olavera holds off a furious Michael Chandler

1157
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: rally to secure maybe at thirty five, a possible title

1158
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: shot to regain his lightweight crown. So luke at at

1159
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: thirty five, how much of a threat does dough Bronx

1160
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: still appear to be if he might be in line

1161
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: to fight the winner of Islam versus Saruki in two,

1162
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: which could be January at the Slipper's New Stadium.

1163
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry say that one more time. I misunderstood the question.

1164
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: How Alivera got the win wasn't easy in round five?

1165
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: How much of a threat at thirty five is he

1166
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: to regain the belt against the winner of that propost

1167
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: title fight?

1168
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: I thought there was again a lot of positive some

1169
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: negatives from this one. We're talking like net Net. I

1170
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: think in general he is still very much a threat

1171
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: to get to the title and to take the title.

1172
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would favor him overall, but

1173
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: he is arguably next in line. A rematch with the

1174
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: winner of sar Yuki in versus Makhachev is a rematch

1175
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: for him no matter what, right because he has fought

1176
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: both of those guys. Certainly, the fight against Islam was

1177
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: not very close, but the fight against sar yuki In

1178
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: was yes, And for that reason, if sar Yukin wins,

1179
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll give him one, but it's

1180
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: something in play. By contrast, he could also fight Max

1181
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: Holloway for the BMF title, which is a different title

1182
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: than what you're talking about. But I'll say this about

1183
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: what you're basically asking is, did he show something to

1184
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: you with this fight that makes you think he's still

1185
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: a viable guy to hold that belt? The answer is yes, dude.

1186
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: He's scored five of twelve takedowns on Michael Chandler. I

1187
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: just never would have predicted that.

1188
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was a ten eight round in what

1189
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: round three? I mean, he kicked the shit out of it.

1190
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: He had mount for an exhort. He had almost fifteen

1191
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: minutes of control time in this mouth.

1192
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: In the punching, in the stand up was so sharp.

1193
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: Standing right in front of him, picking him off, avoiding

1194
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: some of the worst stuff that Michael Chandler was throwing,

1195
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: in part because it's wild. But yes, the wrestling, the

1196
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: offensive wrestling that I saw was fantastic. You already know

1197
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: about his back control, You already know about his passing.

1198
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: You already know about his mount I will say there

1199
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: were a couple of times BC in rounds two and

1200
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: three in particular, maybe three and four actually, but certainly

1201
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: in the middle portions where he would have the back

1202
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: for extended periods and he was not doing a lot

1203
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: of ground and pound, and I think against the upper upper,

1204
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: upper elite guys that could be a problem for him. Well,

1205
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: that's Chandler's hittable in ways that sar yuki In is not,

1206
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: and certainly islam As You're making.

1207
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: The point I was going to ask you, is like,

1208
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: is there a little bit of fools goal because Chandler

1209
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: takes such big risk because Chandler got dominated for four rounds?

1210
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: Is there a little fools goal that Charles will do

1211
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: better than he did against the two guys were talking

1212
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: about who he has losses against in his last three fights.

1213
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you is I mean, it's

1214
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: hard to see how a second fight goes because those

1215
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: guys have gotten better too. What I am saying to

1216
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: you is is Charles still adding meaningful improvements to his

1217
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: game to make what was already a very offensively minded

1218
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: and dangerous style even more well rounded. Yes, yes, yes

1219
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: he is. That to me is not nothing. Now on

1220
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: the net side, has age made him somewhat potentially more

1221
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: risk averse in control positions or was it just a

1222
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: function of Michael Chandler being very squirmy and also a

1223
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: very athletic scrambler. If you know you've got one, you're

1224
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna hold on for dear life a little bit more,

1225
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: all right, because to punch, your hands have to come apart,

1226
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: and once you do that, you're playing a different game.

1227
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I tend to think it was

1228
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of both in the end, but nevertheless,

1229
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: the offense wrestling, he got a takedown on Michael Chandler

1230
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: in every single round, yes, wow, didn't see that coming.

1231
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 2: And dominated on the scorecards until Michael Chandler, to his

1232
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: credit at thirty eight, despite losing two years in the

1233
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor sweepstakes, he had a big rally and Dano

1234
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: would reward him afterwards by saying, basically, look, he's our

1235
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 2: Arturo Gotti, which is high praise, and you know, almost

1236
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 2: said without saying that he'll have a job forever because

1237
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: it almost doesn't matter who he fights or what the

1238
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: result is, and that's kind of true, Luke. But this

1239
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: furious comeback, which I thought he was gonna get a

1240
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: submission late. I mean, you know, there were dark moments

1241
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 2: there for Doe Bronx. Look, there was like fifteen straight

1242
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: shots to the back of the head that set it up,

1243
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: and there were ipokes and Chandler held on to the

1244
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: fence for long stretches. Keith Peterson was standing over them

1245
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: as Chandler was just elbowing the shit out of the.

1246
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: Back of Chase Peterson had a bad night.

1247
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 2: Like I guess what I'm asking is is it fair

1248
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: to call like Chandler fun dirty or is he dirty ish?

1249
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question. I think what you can

1250
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: say is this, best case scenario, he fought very undisciplined

1251
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: and should have been punished for it. That's the best

1252
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: case scenario. Worst case scenario, he is an outrageously dirty fighter.

1253
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: You'll recall. You'll recall Dustin Poitier has complained, well why

1254
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: he complained after their fight that he was fish hooking him.

1255
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: As for folk who don't know in his mouth he

1256
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: actually said, get your fingers out of my mouth. He

1257
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: was fish hooking him. So you can decide out there,

1258
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: which interpretation is correct, but neither of them are good.

1259
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: Neither is exonerating, and I tend to think after this long,

1260
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: it's a little hard to be like this was strictly

1261
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: a problem of being undisciplined, dude. And also also I

1262
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: will say this too too. You can get on these

1263
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: guys for breaking the rules, and they do. But if

1264
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: there's no punishment BC, and you're Michael Chandler, why the

1265
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: fuck would you stop? He's not going to warn you.

1266
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: How do you He's not gonna take a point fucking

1267
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: fishook him?

1268
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 2: He's crazy. Chandler only got that takedown because he wildly

1269
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: missed a right hand after hurting Olivera and then he

1270
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: kind of fell into it and fell into top position there.

1271
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: But like, if they got to finish after that, that would

1272
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: have been controversial, as ship it was directly after that would.

1273
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: Have been insanely controversial. The referees don't enforce the rules

1274
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: to drive.

1275
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: I do like when Joseph Rogan calls him burserker, though

1276
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: by the.

1277
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Way I like that, I didn't I had I had

1278
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: the commentary muted during that paper. You can't do that

1279
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: ship during the during the comin event I definitely did.

1280
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the commentary until I went back and

1281
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: watched the main event the second time afterwards.

1282
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: Obviously, Chandler's fun. Obviously he's got a long track record

1283
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: of making huge, crazy brawls. He looks really small against

1284
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: Olivera though, did you know what that like? He looks

1285
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: small for this division?

1286
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: Suddenly I know there was Chandler.

1287
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

1288
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: The interviewed him after the fight, and he's standing there

1289
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: and he's got what they call capped delts that's your shoulder,

1290
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: and he's got these fucking he's got he manned shoulders.

1291
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's insane.

1292
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: He's leave his physical condition.

1293
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, we'll see him in fun fights

1294
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: against You even asked this.

1295
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: But like we've had six fights with him in UFC

1296
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: now two and four.

1297
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: Yes, which against all LEA competitions, and it's all fire.

1298
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: Corst totally totally. Now you have a good sense of

1299
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: how good he is. Is he the best lightweight in

1300
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: the world. No, on the right night, he potentially could be,

1301
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: but more often than not he'll lose to the best guy.

1302
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: But to your point, he's going to be a fucking

1303
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: fireworks every single and.

1304
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him against Max eventually. Yeah, and

1305
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: he did call out Connor again.

1306
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: The worst call out I've ever heard. I don't know,

1307
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: but who's Connor call out was worse him or Buckley?

1308
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: Okay, not as bad as Buckley in that. In that case,

1309
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: let's go to Olivera quickly. So he wins his twenty

1310
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: third UFC fight, So that puts him into a second

1311
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: place tie behind Jim Miller, who extended his lead to

1312
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: twenty seven. But think about this, Luke, Olavera's thirty five.

1313
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: He's very much in the mix, might get the next

1314
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: title shot after the champion defense it in January, if

1315
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: that happens. And already Olivera has the most finishes in

1316
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: UFC history, the most submissions, Dude, if he stays active,

1317
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: he may be the one who takes that most wins

1318
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: and kind of pushes it out there and extends it

1319
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: a little bit where it's not like Jim Miller or

1320
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: Magni or Arlovsky are kind of lingering and still hanging

1321
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: on in some cases to get that like, is he

1322
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: already on his way to not just being Hall of Famer,

1323
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: but being considered like a true, true, true legend if

1324
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: he retires as the all time winning as fighter on

1325
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: top of that, Like, I don't think I've ever framed

1326
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: it that way in my head. Yeah, but we're gonna

1327
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: have to talk about him as one of the greatest things.

1328
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's one thing to get up twenty wins in

1329
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: the UFC, and a lot of those are against unranked

1330
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: guys or a lot of those are just mid card guys,

1331
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: and those fighters themselves were never champions. Orlowski was in

1332
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: a different era, but Seroni was not, and certainly Jim

1333
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: Miller was not. I'll say this, I don't know if

1334
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: he'll occupy the space you're talking about except for two conditions.

1335
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: One he recaptures the title, yeah, or gets the BMF title.

1336
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I actually feel like if he gets the BMF title,

1337
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: it almost becomes a or a nation of the very

1338
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about. Okay, right, it becomes like, what

1339
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: prize do you give a guy who does that at

1340
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: the elite level? You give him the BMF title. Now,

1341
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: of course you have to earn it, but you see

1342
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, he will have earned the kind of

1343
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: prize beyond. Again, the biggest one would be recapturing the

1344
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: way class title. But I guess what I'm saying is

1345
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: absent recapturing a title. Even if he gets these wins

1346
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: against ranked guys, I just don't know if the story

1347
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: is going to follow him in the way you're describing.

1348
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: See if you had most wins, most finishes, most submissions,

1349
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: you were a champion, You were beloved, Like they make

1350
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: murals of him in Brazil. Everyone, it seems, no matter

1351
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: where you're from, loves this guy is instant entertainment at

1352
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: the very least. And uh, I mean, here's still got

1353
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: some big fights to make. Like, so we didn't give

1354
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: Stepe his due in the in the last two topics

1355
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: from the idea that he did retire in the cage

1356
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: afterwards at forty two. And I kind of want to like,

1357
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: we know who we all kind of think is in

1358
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: the upper upper room, the top five, I like to say,

1359
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: of the of the true goats. And you know we

1360
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: talk about that ad nauseum. Sometimes we whisper the idea

1361
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: of what would be our five to ten? Is it

1362
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: automatically like Josie Aldo and and uh, you know Cormier

1363
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: level guys, Randy Couture in that area, Like what do

1364
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: we do with Steepe right now in terms, I mean,

1365
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: let's not everybody a ranking, but like.

1366
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk it out. Let's talk it out. That's a

1367
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: great that's such a great question. See okay in their

1368
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: upper room, in no particular order. We don't have to

1369
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: fight it out. Sure, Jones, DJ GSP Silvador, Okay, I

1370
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: would put Aldo there.

1371
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: But fine, and Habib's on the outside looking at.

1372
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so those are five. I would have put Aldo there,

1373
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: but you would put Aldo at six? No, what's right? Aldo? Habib?

1374
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: Who else?

1375
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Randy?

1376
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: Randy, Amanda? Yes, where's ten? That leaves you one more?

1377
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: D C d C.

1378
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: I think d C is like six basically him.

1379
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: Now DC's DC's claim to famous. He has titles and

1380
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: two weight classes. Yes that he did lose to step

1381
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: A twice.

1382
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: And lost to John twice, but only lost to those two.

1383
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: That's it. So he would be Steepe under the way

1384
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: we've just disgusted. If he would be probably at eleven

1385
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: or so outside the top ten. Sure, now I think

1386
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: people might have disagree with that. He probably I'll say this,

1387
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: he's bubble top ten.

1388
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: Well, he has two reigns, which is great. He has

1389
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: two wins over Cormia and only Jones's beat him, which

1390
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: is great, and.

1391
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: He has a winner for France. It's granted different kind,

1392
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: but still he is what the.

1393
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: Most title defense is total those three and the wind

1394
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: streak that he had where he made his name was

1395
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: largely against former champions. Yeah, of course you've got Arlovski,

1396
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: but you got Mark Hunt on there, You've got like

1397
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: dude like the wealth of who he beat is impressed

1398
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: of his ship.

1399
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: You won't respect some of these names. I know, Phil

1400
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: de Frieze, by the way, is kicking ass. Steep A.

1401
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Steep A beat him in forty three seconds. Okay, is

1402
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: that Russia? Poland? That's Poland? Shanda Rosario who's tragically passed away.

1403
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: Steep Pe polished him off, Roy Nelson, Gibril Gonzaga, who

1404
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, I was a murderer for a time. But

1405
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: then Mark Hunt Andrea Alowski for Busio Doom Alistair overim

1406
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: JDS Francis and Ganu, then Cormier twice. Yeah, that's pretty funny.

1407
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: When you have to redeem as UFC champion too, like

1408
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: they like there's that's not like old ass for doom

1409
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: like these.

1410
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: He took the title and by the way did it

1411
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: in Brazil.

1412
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: While walking backwards? Yeah, like while running back Yeah, okay,

1413
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. So he's like ten to fifteen. Again,

1414
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: everyone needs a ranking there. But so that bubble area

1415
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: around the five of habib Aldough and uh DC, that's

1416
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: a that's.

1417
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: A tough area, right, I mean, that's a secondary tier.

1418
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't people respect DC like they should. To me,

1419
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: he's like automatic, like six seventh at worst, and people

1420
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: think he's just an also.

1421
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: Ran in the champions to treat him like a big brother.

1422
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: The amount of name wins that he has and in

1423
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: the dominance behind some of them, Dude, I.

1424
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: Can And if you watched his Strikeforce run lived like

1425
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: his fight with Josh Barnett, like that was a very

1426
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: very viable Josh Barnett as an opponent, So it.

1427
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: Was the big fault in at that point when yeah,

1428
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: don't you.

1429
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: Know it's funny Cormier told me about something. So I

1430
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: did a show in twenty twelve called m Mansensored Live.

1431
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: I was on Spike TV at the time, and we

1432
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: had Cormier as our guest, and he was still fighting

1433
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: in heavyweight at that time because he was over in

1434
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: Strike Force. He didn't need to go to light heavyweight

1435
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: in UFC. And I'll never forget this. He had come

1436
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: off the he'd just come off the Bigfoot knockout right

1437
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: around that time, and uh, I remember we had him

1438
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: in studio and we were off camera. We were like, hey,

1439
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: are you ever going to fight two all five? He's like, yeah,

1440
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to, you know, eventually, I'm gonna move there.

1441
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: He goes, but I love fighting heavyweights And I said

1442
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 1: why and he goes. He goes, dude, I'm just gonna

1443
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: keep it real with you. He goes, they are so

1444
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: fucking slow.

1445
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly his boxing against he said.

1446
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: He said, when he fought Bigfoot, he could see everything coming.

1447
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: So I agree with you. Like DC was the fucking

1448
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: man in his day.

1449
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: I wish he got more love in that historic sense.

1450
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: But let's show that photo of Chandler got two slams

1451
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: in the final minute. That really and he yelled like

1452
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: fuck as he did it or something crazy. Well, he

1453
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: was probably like, yeah, that's.

1454
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: Kind of hard, dude, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean if

1455
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you're olvera you can look you took your chin a little,

1456
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, you took your chin. You see how he

1457
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: keeps like close uh contact with his chin. The problem

1458
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to have is your your

1459
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: your back of your head to Rick Ash Yes, so

1460
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: you can notice he's almost he doesn't have quite have

1461
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: ear to ear contact, but pretty close.

1462
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: The second one was hard, hard on.

1463
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, damn you know, Charles Lavera, it's

1464
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: once he's on your back, you're in trouble.

1465
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: As Chandlers animal like, we don't like, should we put

1466
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: the Arto Gotti stamp on him and above Gai Chi

1467
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: and poor?

1468
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: Interesting question. I don't know how to answer that. The

1469
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: ar Turo Gotti stamp.

1470
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: That's that's a great I mean, Dana did it, Dana

1471
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: did it on Saturday?

1472
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: Did he achieve ar turtle Gotti won a world title?

1473
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: And uh one thirty five I believe, okay, so lightweight.

1474
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: And then he uh you know, and he thought he

1475
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: lost to Holy on pay per view, lost the Floyd

1476
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: on pay per view. Like he went to a very

1477
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: he went to a very high commercial levels what I'm

1478
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: trying to say too, and he made the Hall of Fame,

1479
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: which was controversial to a certain degree.

1480
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: That's not a bad comparison. Bro the ternal Gotti of

1481
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: m M A. That's a hell of a complimentary.

1482
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: But you have to put him above Geichee though, so

1483
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying to me, giche even above Robby Lawler is

1484
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: my favorite action star.

1485
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't he Why wouldn't Why wouldn't he be Ward?

1486
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't could one guy bet and the other guy

1487
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: be Ward?

1488
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of want to basically just put it

1489
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: to all these lightweights of this era, Like basically that

1490
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: that group of Chandler, Poorier, gai Chi. Who else should

1491
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: you throw in? Like? Is there a fourth Mount? Rushmore

1492
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: was in some bangers, scraps and hookers. Now Hooker has

1493
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: been putting a few together.

1494
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: For all dogs.

1495
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: Is that the best fight in Apex history?

1496
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 1: Hooker? It's up there, It's up there. I was gonna

1497
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: say this too. Credit to Chandler. Yes, he got choked

1498
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: out from the back against fucking Charles Lavera, had his

1499
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: back for minutes at a time and did not get submitted.

1500
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: He clearly worked on it, and.

1501
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: He's building like a Randy Couture level love of fair

1502
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: and respect with the American people, Like it's liket Michael Chandler.

1503
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: They love the ship out of this guy as they should.

1504
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he gives all he gets clear online true,

1505
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: but yes, in person they seem to like dude, He's

1506
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: action packed. What's not to like?

1507
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: Did you know that Doe Bronx and John Jones are

1508
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: now like lovers? Like they love each other?

1509
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: These guys, I think they're both like, Wow, what is

1510
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: up with all the Jones clips dying on us? It's

1511
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: very okay, we're gonna do this.

1512
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: Just a mutual I saw that.

1513
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: I saw that they prayed together. So maybe it's just

1514
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: some religious camaraderie. I don't know. Maybe they just someone

1515
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: who doesn't go to church. I don't know.

1516
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Bownickel. Now he goes the full

1517
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes with Paul Craig, gets a wide unanimous decision,

1518
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: victory gets booed though, and then they're chanting underrated and overrated,

1519
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: excuse me, and he does not go for a single

1520
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: takedown attempt. Now, Dana would ultimately be harsher than they

1521
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: were on the broadcast. But what is your take? Did

1522
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: bo Nickel deserve, considering he's in there against a bigger

1523
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: and experienced opponent, deserve all this negativity for the performance

1524
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: We actually.

1525
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: Saw maybe all the negativity. No, no, I don't. I

1526
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: think that was a little much. I've been chanting overrated

1527
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: is a little much. The fan base has clearly decided that,

1528
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: however good he is, the promotion has forced nickel on them,

1529
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: and they have been forced to nickel that they don't

1530
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: think is actually nearly as good as the UFC would

1531
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: like them to believe, and they have reacted very negatively

1532
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: to that.

1533
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: Even with his Maga they turned.

1534
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: The thing is the thing about the thing about Maga

1535
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: is like in the current I mean serious, like in

1536
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: the current landscape, the Maga thing can get you some

1537
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: likes and it can cover for a lot, but at

1538
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: the end of the day, dude, like if they feel

1539
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: like you're a fraud in some kind of thing, yeah,

1540
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: I know exactly like the like, there's plenty of people

1541
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: who are MAGA who can't stand Colby, you know what

1542
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's not it's not a decisive factor.

1543
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: But what I want to make was be see, I'm

1544
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of two minds, and this is why

1545
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say where I'm at. But I really am

1546
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: curious to hear where you're at on this trum so

1547
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: On the one hand, Bo Nickel in his what seventh

1548
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: Profight beat a guy that beat Maga Man On Calive,

1549
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Bo Nickel beat a guy that beat Jamal Hill.

1550
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: I know they only said it fifteen times on the

1551
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: brookst bo Nickel.

1552
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: Beat a guy that beat Nikita Krilov and did it

1553
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: without any wrestling or jiu jitsu at all. He did

1554
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: it with his striking. That's pretty impressive. And he did it.

1555
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: He blanked him thirty twenty seven, rocked his shit in

1556
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: the third round right, had had him kind of covering

1557
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: up with his hand because it hurt so bad. And

1558
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: so on one level, I'm like, that is great. It's

1559
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: also great if you're bon Nickel that you got a

1560
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: full three rounds experience because you probably needed that just

1561
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: to get it, you know, to level up to the

1562
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: next kind of place that you're going to go to.

1563
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: And again, I want to emphasize it. He didn't beat

1564
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: him with his A game or even his A plus

1565
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: his B game, you know, wrestling jiu jitsu. He beat

1566
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: him with his C game. But here's the problem, BC,

1567
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: it's definitely his C game. His striking left a lot

1568
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: to be desired.

1569
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, jab Bo acted like he had just put

1570
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 2: on the clinic. That was the only thing I didn't

1571
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: like about it.

1572
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: I care less about stuff like that. But to your point,

1573
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: that's a fair observation. But the thing that really got

1574
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: to me was I was like, dude, you're having trouble

1575
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: closing the distance, and so you're winging these overhands and

1576
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: eventually he got a little closer and it worked, but

1577
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: it took him like ten twelve minutes to really get

1578
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: to a place where they could really find the mark.

1579
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: And where's the rest of the game, Like, there's no

1580
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: foundational game to really close distance, cut the ring off,

1581
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like work behind the jab,

1582
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: Like how many jabs did you throw? Three? At most

1583
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: is a lot of overhand lefts and overhand rights. That's

1584
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: not going to get the job done up the food chain.

1585
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: So everyone is like, oh, he sucks. I'm like, guys,

1586
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: he didn't use the very best parts of his game.

1587
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: Well, it's one of those I'll tell you exactly what

1588
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: it is. He's going to benefit from this in the

1589
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: long term, because where else are you going to get that?

1590
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: Exactly what happened fifteen minutes of a tense and quote

1591
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: fight that wasn't close in terms of the scores, but

1592
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: it was a lot closer in terms of, excuse me,

1593
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: the back and forth than what we saw. Whereas if

1594
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: he took Craig down, and let's say he did get

1595
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: an early submission and look dominant in that regard, we

1596
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 2: would still be saying, okay, well what about the striking,

1597
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 2: and we need more evidence of it. He would need

1598
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: more evidence himself, in my opinion, because you can only

1599
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: really gain this in the fights with these stakes. Now,

1600
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: I guess the only negative is that he doesn't look

1601
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: like he's ready to destroy, you know, the elites in

1602
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: fight hamzat tomorrow or fight for the title. It's a

1603
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: little bit humbling in that regard. And maybe I didn't

1604
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 2: love some of the you know, the quotes of Boer,

1605
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 2: the way he acted. I mean, he wasn't like cocky

1606
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: or you know, idiotic about it. He was just a

1607
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: little too maybe full of what he accomplished there. I

1608
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: think this is something he accomplished the time that he

1609
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: gave himself that's going to be so super valuable and

1610
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: help him. But I think it told everybody, including Dana

1611
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: who I don't know if you heard this, it was

1612
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: almost a little bit harsh from Dana, who was like, yeah,

1613
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 2: the kid needs a lot of work. And he showed

1614
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: us that tonight, you know what I mean. It was

1615
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: and that's not wrong, to be fair, but Bo's gonna

1616
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 2: hurt pr wise for whatever that's worth for a while

1617
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: until he goes in there again and actually shows us.

1618
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: The thing is how quickly can he improve that striking?

1619
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: That's what I want to find out because it wasn't

1620
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: up to the level we need. I mean, let me

1621
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 2: ask you, I was kind of surviving, wasn't thrown a

1622
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: lot himself.

1623
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: We're talking about, like, you know, could step A be

1624
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: the guy inside the top fifteen? And there's no doubt

1625
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: in my mind if Bo Nichol's using his A and

1626
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: B game, he also can beat guys inside the top fifteen.

1627
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: But the question is what is the right move? You see,

1628
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: let me read you eleven to fifteen. The question is

1629
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: not whether Bo Nickel could beat them. The question is

1630
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: whether any of these fights make sense given what he showed, Yes,

1631
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: and will he'd be up against don't say a thing

1632
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: till her to read him all the way through. Evan

1633
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: is Paula a Costa twelve is Jack Hermanson thirteen, Anthony

1634
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Hernandez fourteen, Bullet Mega Betov fifteen, Michelle Paeda. I think

1635
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: he could beat a few of those guys. I don't

1636
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: know if it's a good idea or not to put

1637
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: him in there. In fact, I think it's not. I

1638
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: think he needs to fight outside the top.

1639
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 2: Fifth her Manson is probably the perfect matchup because that

1640
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: could be a really tough night for him, but it

1641
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: would also show us a lot whichever method he used

1642
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 2: a victory, right, if it was all a game and

1643
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: he looked dominant again, or if he really had to

1644
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: work for it and show us new layers. I mean,

1645
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: you can't substitute for what you learn in close fights

1646
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: against how veterans. You can't. There's no substitute for that.

1647
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: So if losses shouldn't kill you in this sport, even

1648
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: with the hype he's received, this was a comeback down

1649
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: to Earth moment, however you want to receive it.

1650
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 4: So.

1651
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: It depends. It depends how aggressive he wants to be.

1652
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 2: But Dana almost it was almost like scolding him for

1653
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 2: being too aggressive or too confident in himself in that regard,

1654
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: So maybe he needs one more in between. But twenty eight.

1655
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: You're comfortable at the pace though, right.

1656
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine, and I think he's going

1657
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: to at least contend for a title. But you know,

1658
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: Anthony Hernandez is sitting at thirteen. I think that's a

1659
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: bad matchup right now. Yes, I wouldn't think a fight

1660
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: like that at all, And so for that reason, I'm like,

1661
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, give him somebody like Roman Copylove, Yeah, who's

1662
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: got some takedown sense, who could light him up on

1663
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: the level that we need. That's the test I want

1664
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: to see, and then we'll see where he goes from there.

1665
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: All right, forty two year old Jim Miller or was

1666
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: it forty forty one year old Jim Miller did Jim

1667
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: Miller things in his forties, which is sub people out

1668
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 2: and look of fishing as hell. Winning his twenty seventh

1669
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: UFC fight. Afterwards, he would say his desire is to

1670
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: get five more total fights in this octagon, which would

1671
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: be fifty, but he said there'd be nothing that could

1672
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: keep him after that. That's his goal, Luke, that could

1673
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: be two years if he's active. But so it doesn't

1674
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: have to win those, right, He just wants the appearances.

1675
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: He wants to make you just work. I mean, obviously,

1676
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to win, but yeah, to your point,

1677
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: is there.

1678
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: Something that could or should be done to give him

1679
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 2: a fun matchup to really continue to play on what

1680
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: he's accomplishing which is rare? Or is it still just

1681
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: kind of mid level fights way to go? It's cool,

1682
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: but like, is there like should they be rewarding him more?

1683
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: I think if you're I think, if you're this far,

1684
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: you should give him exactly what he needs. He's a

1685
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: great test for whoever you're gonna put him up against. Yes, right,

1686
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean he looked to your point, it wasn't like

1687
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: he went in there and got his ass. What kicked

1688
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: against Damon Jackson on Saturday, he polished him off with

1689
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: and like with with ease, technical with technical ease.

1690
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 2: But most of his wins in this run have been

1691
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: like that where you're just like Joegan.

1692
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: Actually, I thought did make a point that was good here.

1693
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: The guy's never had surgery. You're that far along, motherfucker.

1694
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: I've had orthopedic surgery. Like, how is that possible? He's

1695
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: never had it. It's bad after lime disease and everything.

1696
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: Folks forget he was a wrestler of Virginia Tech. That's

1697
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 1: Division one. He has been a technical black belt for

1698
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: as long he and his brother Dan Miller, for as

1699
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: long as I can remember. That was a phenomenal win,

1700
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it just seems to

1701
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: me it's like, dude, you've got the Apex, You've got

1702
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: a million guys on the bubble there. Jim Miller is

1703
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: going to be a great test for all of them.

1704
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: You can kill two birds with one stone and make

1705
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: everybody happy. Yes, two thumbs up.

1706
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Is there anything else on

1707
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: that undercard that you feel is worth mentioning?

1708
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: Here? They brought the old gloves back and you had

1709
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: some knockouts. The oh yeah, RAHAMAI to the old gloves.

1710
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 2: The only problem, Dana said, is they don't have enough

1711
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: old gloves that's right to put it on the Contender

1712
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: Series or Fight Knights anymore.

1713
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to do the the new gloves

1714
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: on the Fight Knights and then the old gloves on

1715
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: the pay per views.

1716
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 2: You really Jon Jones played a role of this, definitely,

1717
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: you think?

1718
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: So let's have Luke long isn Luke.

1719
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: Is the reason Timeline is he the only reason or

1720
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: is he part of the reason.

1721
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 3: No, I do think like John brought it up and

1722
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: then they went ooh and these stats are backing this

1723
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: up too.

1724
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you don't. Here's what I think. I think

1725
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: that long look, tell me if you think I'm wrong.

1726
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: I think the UFC brass got spooked by the fact

1727
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: that all the knockouts had declined basically across every division except.

1728
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 2: One infacial damage people infacial damage.

1729
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: And so I can accept that John may have been

1730
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't buy

1731
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: that it's because of him in that one singular way.

1732
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1733
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 3: I mean you kind of just said it there in

1734
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 3: your first answer too, like they were leaning that way

1735
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 3: and then John was the reason. But to me, that's

1736
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: still John being the reason.

1737
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well no, but I mean, if they're spooked, it's

1738
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: a precondition. Yeah. I don't know.

1739
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: I do feel like John definitely think they moved the

1740
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: event from Vegas to Cali that.

1741
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: I had a famous MMA manager called me after that

1742
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: event being like, dude, what the fuck is that? And

1743
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm Christmas bro, you tell me, you tell me?

1744
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, h luke. Then the what was the

1745
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: name of the fighter who beat of Ronica Hardy in

1746
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: that first fight, Eduarda Mora and Mora.

1747
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: Looked because Ronica Hardy has been a bit of a

1748
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: bit of a call it somebody of a hot streak.

1749
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the power and took it, took it to

1750
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: a swagger.

1751
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: Also, the women's fight on the main card wasn't terrible,

1752
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: aund it turned out show yeah and silver fight. Yeah,

1753
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: it was fine. It was fine.

1754
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 2: What about that other guy, you like him Hoofy?

1755
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I didn't realize we were calling

1756
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: him James law Top. I didn't realize he was from Peru,

1757
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: So it's hamas Yan Top or as my wife would say,

1758
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: John Top.

1759
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Top had a nice firearm on his cheek,

1760
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 2: looks like Halloween.

1761
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: Let me let me go back a step. He did

1762
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: not have a firearm on his cheek. He had an uzzy.

1763
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: He hadn't dude, he was literally DJ too cheesy.

1764
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

1765
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was tough as shit.

1766
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he was Hoofy.

1767
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 1: I like I do like his game. I mean the

1768
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: look away fucking uppercut was so sick. GHB, that's my guy, right, Okay,

1769
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: But dude, he like he's got razzle, dazzle, and then

1770
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: nothing else. It's like you need to build a jab

1771
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: and like cleaner entries and not just wait for a

1772
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: guy to like fucking overstep and then you know, crash

1773
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: into him.

1774
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: Long Island. Look, you acted like this. This three h

1775
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: nine paperry card was awesome top to bottom. Are we

1776
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 2: missing anything?

1777
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: There was a couple David o'ama taking on was a

1778
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 3: fricking war. Oban Elliott knocking out Basil.

1779
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 2: Hook That's the missing point, Luke. Oban Elliott looked like

1780
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: like a man after that. Dude, Basil Hafez is a

1781
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 2: badass and he sunned him, Luke.

1782
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: And by the way Elliott was losing, he was one

1783
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: one one. Yeah, it was a tough fight and then

1784
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: he finished the third swagger too. Man, he seems like

1785
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: he seems like a guy worth keeping your eye on.

1786
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: He's got style. That's what all the girls he's got great, Luke.

1787
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: You know what's hard to do at our age is

1788
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: uh find clothes that fits perfectly, but that also flatters you.

1789
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 2: It's one thing to make it feel good, but does

1790
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: it look good? You know what I'm saying. It's not easy, Luke.

1791
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: Although I've been noticing that fit of yours today, Body

1792
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 2: for day.

1793
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: Wow, I have body for days only in certain kinds

1794
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: of clothes that I wear.

1795
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: That's true, That is true.

1796
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: I need something that fits nice, makes me feel good,

1797
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: snug in the right places, loosing the other ones. And BC,

1798
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: one of our nts here on the show today, has

1799
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: provided exactly that for me.

1800
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: You may have seen their logo inside the Octagon and

1801
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 2: UFC pay per Views, and True Classic is the real deal,

1802
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Speaker 2: Holy Field. When you talk about the fit, the feel,

1803
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Speaker 2: the fabric, you know, it's it's comfortable clothes, but high

1804
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 2: quality clothes. So Luke, right now, I'm wearing the T

1805
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: shirt underneath I'm wearing these jeans that just fit so

1806
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: well because you know, being on the train in the

1807
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: subway is always the most comfortable conditions. But not only

1808
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: am I staying fit and hip, Luke, I'm staying so

1809
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 2: comfortable and loose with everything I'm feeling here from True Classic.

1810
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: I wear the workout pants all the time.

1811
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: Oh they're the best.

1812
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: Like I get called out like, hey, maybe you should

1813
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: wash those, But the thing is it just it just

1814
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: fits so well.

1815
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: It does. And listen, let's talk about some brass tacks.

1816
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: You can get these things in three, six and nine packs.

1817
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: You can get them. By the way, the whole are

1818
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: four million customer excuse me, four million customers and two

1819
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: hundred thousand reviews and by the way, one hundred percent

1820
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1821
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: But BC, as I mentioned it before, the whole line

1822
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: of clothing works. So you can mix and match stuff

1823
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: like I like this shirt with those pants, and I

1824
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: like this underwear with that, you know whatever. You can

1825
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: put all those different products together. Works for fall, works

1826
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: for winter. Yes, all the.

1827
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: Different tone colors are just like their power colors.

1828
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: It's just a great way. And the most important part

1829
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: is not only is it easy to return if it

1830
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: doesn't work for whatever reason, or you can get a

1831
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: bunch together. They've got a premium feel. That's the part

1832
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: that I think about the most. It feels like I'm

1833
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: wearing something but it's not.

1834
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 2: You put a piece of clothing on, you're like, oh,

1835
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: I'll get about three wears out of three washes out

1836
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: of this. And the quality of be Gone not true classic,

1837
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: it's got that true feel. And Luke, my wife's a

1838
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: tough critic, but when I walk around in that True

1839
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: Classic T shirt, She's like, what you've been in the gym?

1840
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1841
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,879
Speaker 1: She's also probably telling you to shower, but yeah.

1842
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: That is also something that happens. So we know that

1843
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:52,160
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Speaker 2: support our show. And this is stuff I'm wearing right

1852
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Speaker 2: now because if fits great, it looks great too, and

1853
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 2: I'm trying everything to look five, ten, fifteen years younger.

1854
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 2: That's why I get this. These these fades, Luke, Okay,

1855
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: that's I get these.

1856
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I get fades too. I mean, True Classic helps more

1857
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: than the fade, but both do some good work.

1858
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: There you go, Thank you so much. I like to

1859
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: consider myself a true Classic, Luke.

1860
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: Just in case you're wondering, are you?

1861
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in every way I think. Are you a

1862
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: classic in like a good way or like an inspirational tale?

1863
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: You're a classic in the sense of, like, you know,

1864
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: like a nineteen forties car that's just been you know,

1865
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: kept alive in Cuba or something.

1866
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: What did Sean Porter say about Tyson Paul? You know,

1867
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:55,560
Speaker 2: like one of them is a sports car, you know

1868
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm like a I'm like a twenty

1869
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: twenty Orange Grew super crush. That's what I'm like. All right,

1870
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 2: let's go to topic number four, Luke in Hey, before

1871
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: we get into Tyson versus Paul, I got one more

1872
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: for you. In the MMA space, It's UFC three to ten.

1873
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: It's finalized. We all know it's going down December seventh

1874
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, last big one of the year. But

1875
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: with Ballah Mohammad pulling out, we had to figure out

1876
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: what's going on with that Maine and Colemane. The UFC

1877
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: has decided let's go to the full screen here of

1878
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: what we're getting here. The new main event will be

1879
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: Alexandra Pantosia defending his flyweight title against UFC newcomer Kai

1880
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: Asakura and your Colemane event no interim title on the line,

1881
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: but it is a number one contenders fight at Shavcott.

1882
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: Rockmanoff and the opportunistic here Ian Machado, Gary are going

1883
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 2: to put it together, Luke, Cyril Goan Alexander Volclof not

1884
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: a bad fight, but look at this fun slop on

1885
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 2: the bottom. Bryce Mitchell against Cron Gracie signed me up

1886
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: and Nate the Train in the UFC against Korean.

1887
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: Super You got it. You've got the All Flat Earth

1888
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: Championship between Mitchell and Gracie.

1889
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: As you indicated, the winner should fight each other, right,

1890
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: they're all featherwaights. Imagine you know, let's do it.

1891
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do that.

1892
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Let's do a Donk tournament here, uh, Luke.

1893
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: One of the remastering, but one more time, very quickly,

1894
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: it's the remats Bee Gone and Volkov they've already felt before.

1895
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, gone box circles or yeah. So, Luke, the question

1896
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 2: here is what is your grade for the new letter

1897
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 2: grade for the new three to ten A per view

1898
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 2: solid B something like that, solid B.

1899
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: One more time, throw it up. I'll tell you why.

1900
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: If I can, I apologize long one more time.

1901
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: Let's let's do it.

1902
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: Okay, here's why. The main event has no casual fan buzz,

1903
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: but is an excellent, excellent flyway, So it's gonna.

1904
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 2: Ask you if that's risky considering three oh one in

1905
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 2: Brazil was like a dead pay per view with Pantosian

1906
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: the Man. Ever, even though all his fights have been

1907
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: great in the divisions, on.

1908
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: Listen, they are where they are. I don't think they

1909
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: have anybody else they could pull in. They just this is,

1910
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: this is where they are. Yeah, Schoff got ROCKMANO versus

1911
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: I and Gary is fucking awesome.

1912
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1913
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I want to talk about it just a second.

1914
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Gone versus Volkov two is not all that interesting but

1915
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: not terrible and has some value for the heavyweight division.

1916
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: And then Mitchell and Gracie is just gonna be I

1917
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: mean just DNK tacular, and then the last one is

1918
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: going to be a banger. So it has plenty of

1919
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 1: value to me. Thank you very much. On Luke A

1920
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: solid be I want to talk about that comin event

1921
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: for just a second, if I may, I.

1922
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: Be cups are still good.

1923
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: It's like where does he go? Oh right right right?

1924
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: BC shot cut rockmanoff undefeated, So now I'm gonna I'm

1925
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: gonna put away the boner, he comes the rock Bano

1926
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: bon which you don't which you don't mind that one

1927
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: as much for reasons I don't quite understand.

1928
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: But you know who's got a Rockmanov boner is Laurasnko loves.

1929
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, She and I have texted about it before. Yeah. Uh,

1930
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: debating who has a bigger fight boner?

1931
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 2: Okay, s getting awkward, it got yeah all.

1932
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 1: Right, but here's the point. I want to make the

1933
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: guy undefeated and nothing but finishes has a title shot.

1934
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,839
Speaker 1: The guy who is gonna fight for the title gets injured,

1935
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: and rather than sit out, I'm gonna wait for my title.

1936
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,520
Speaker 1: He says, you know what, bring on all the bozos

1937
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: you can, and Ian Gary's on a bozo.

1938
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, oh, not only that, he dunked down

1939
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the division. Can we see the tweet?

1940
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: You see the tweet here, I'll read it out. I

1941
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: don't know how my glasses. I'm very disappointed in our division.

1942
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Balall Leon Kamaru, Jack Sean thinking Tom Brady there, you've

1943
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: all let the fans down. The only one who backed

1944
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: up his words is Ian and I respect that, but

1945
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: make no mistake, Ian Gary, I'm coming for your oh,

1946
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and we'll fight for the belt after now. His manager

1947
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: obviously wrote this, Have.

1948
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: You ever should have been like, I'm coming in for

1949
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: your word?

1950
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: If you follow Rochmanov on Instagram, all he does is

1951
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: like train live a simple.

1952
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 2: Peaceful life manager.

1953
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was Danny Rubinstein.

1954
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Ah shot out to Danny rube short of me making

1955
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 2: fun of his hairline that time. Him and I have

1956
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: always been like.

1957
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: He ignored my last text. I think he's bitter at

1958
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: me about something. I'm not sure great wrestler at Oh

1959
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: you that guy? Yeah, no hair though, zippy going almost there.

1960
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: He didn't return my last text. Sorry, Dandy, gotta return

1961
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: my text. I won't kill you on here. The point

1962
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: I want to make is I have all the respect

1963
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: in the world for Ian Gary, who went from fighting

1964
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 1: a very difficult opponent in Joaquin Buckley, change date, changed locations,

1965
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: now takes on the even tougher, more proven rock Monov,

1966
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: and Rockmanov said title shot. I don't have it. I'm

1967
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: not gonna sit on my ass and wait for it.

1968
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: Bring them up, line them up, and I'm gonna knock

1969
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: them down. Dude, shouts to Ian Gary, shouts to Rock

1970
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: modov it's the best fight on arguably the best fight

1971
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: on that car that could be very good, but it's

1972
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: so important so that people take risks.

1973
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 2: At this stage, had no reason to do this outside

1974
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: of I think I'm going to slaughter everyone and then

1975
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: wear parts of their body to my next ring walk. Anyway,

1976
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 2: so title, no title whatever. But for as low as Ian,

1977
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Gary's pr stock was with the whole thing and everything,

1978
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: and I know the.

1979
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: Dumbest controversy made by the dumbest.

1980
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: People in but don't forget there were press conferences where

1981
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 2: every fighter was seemingly dunking on him and his wife

1982
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: in some way.

1983
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: That was the worst industry in America.

1984
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 2: He got out of control. What has he done since?

1985
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: Behave like a fighter and say things like he says

1986
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 2: in this video right here.

1987
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 8: The UFC called us fifteen minutes ago and said, will

1988
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 8: you fight chaff Cut December seventh. I am going to

1989
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 8: say yes. I believe that it's far more important to

1990
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 8: talk to you guys and that you guys know.

1991
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: First, Can you say you guys?

1992
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 8: So now when pukat Thailand for a chunky South Park

1993
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 8: getting ready for Jaking Bookie, I'm gonna change it all

1994
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 8: fight a week earlier in December seventh in Las Vegas,

1995
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 8: which is where I wanted to fight, when I wanted

1996
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 8: to fight. Well, we will only be able to say

1997
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 8: then I'm a game. It will only be able to

1998
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 8: say that this guy will fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. And

1999
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 8: the perfect example is give me the boogeyman of the

2000
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 8: weldweight division and I'll stand in there in three weeks notice,

2001
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 8: and I'll find a way to beat him.

2002
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: Respect.

2003
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: That's how you that's how you deliver a pr message.

2004
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 2: We talk about like John Jones and I don't love

2005
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: like the angles he's taking in the way he's talking

2006
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: about as man's just making us say the word duck.

2007
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: This is the exact opposite. That's how you want fighters

2008
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: to behave go like hit that they knocked or the

2009
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: phone call came in. Are you ready to find out

2010
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: how great you are? He said?

2011
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: The fuck I can't believe that the phony in cell

2012
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: controversy bears no resemblance to the actual reality.

2013
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: I never wanted to break that down on the show.

2014
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: What is there to break down? There's nothing to break it. Yeah,

2015
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: it was fucking dumbest shit. The sport's already dumbest shit.

2016
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: We don't need to go to the dumber sides to

2017
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: get into the other parts of it. But listen, I

2018
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: don't like his chances against Shofcott rock Monov. I think

2019
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: rock Monov's probably going to finish him off. But the

2020
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: fact that he is willing to change opponents go a

2021
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: week earlier against fucking Shovcot rock monov Ian Gary has

2022
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: earned a lot of respect for me this week and

2023
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: after that it matters. But I'm just telling you I

2024
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: have been very impressed by his.

2025
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: I am completely in on this behavior and in him

2026
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: believing and let's find out. So Luke, this replaces, though

2027
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: pulls him off the card December fourteenth in Tampa, the

2028
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 2: final Fight Night card of the year, the final UFC

2029
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: fighting event of the year, and it's gonna be Colby Covington,

2030
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 2: as the report, as the replacement against Joqing Buckley in

2031
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: that five round main event. What do you think about that?

2032
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 2: It's not Colby trying to fly in and steal the

2033
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: show on pay per view. He's got too many losses lately.

2034
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: What do you think of this matchup? Is he a

2035
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 2: threat to slow down Buckley's momentumy he.

2036
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Could it's a good test for Buckley. I actually the

2037
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: last interview I did was with Buckley. This was I

2038
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: don't know, about a month ago or so, and he

2039
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: actually told me in the interview he would love to

2040
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: fight Colby Covington. In fact, I think the thumbnail is

2041
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: about that that I put up for that because he

2042
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: was so interested in it. And then they made the

2043
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: Ian Gary fight, and of course that's an even bigger one.

2044
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: It's actually not as big a fight, I think, or

2045
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: at least that one to me was more interesting because

2046
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: about what the future told us and how that part

2047
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: is unknown. We've kind of seen the highlight of Kobe's

2048
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: career and now he's on the downside. I don't know

2049
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: what the UFC did to make it worth his while

2050
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: to take this fight. Probably something good for him, so

2051
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I actually think that Colby, for as

2052
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: washed as he is, is not so mega washed that

2053
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 1: he can't win this fight or the bare minimum get interesting.

2054
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Buckley has shown us real ability, but he's also shown

2055
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: us that, like a lot of it outside, the striking

2056
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit more recent and a little bit

2057
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: still shaky at times.

2058
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 2: This could be the test for that.

2059
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: So this is a great test five rounds. I like

2060
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: that even more. I'm assuming it's gonna fire runs because

2061
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: it's the main event. So for that reason, I actually

2062
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna say I like these fights better

2063
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: or something like that. They all have their kind of charm.

2064
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: But it's a good fight for Rockmanov. If Gary wins,

2065
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: he looks like a million bucks. If Kolby wins, that's

2066
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: his best win in I don't know how long that

2067
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: would he would be beating a relevant contender. When was

2068
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: the last time he beat a relevant contender? And then

2069
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 1: for Buckley exactly, and then I went for Buckley over

2070
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: a big name. This is it's a lot of wins

2071
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: to be out of here.

2072
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: This is good news all around. Okay, I don't think

2073
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 2: that three time pay per view is gonna be you know,

2074
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna do bad. It's it'll do bad. But it's

2075
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: a hardcore. There's a lot of hardcore stuff going on

2076
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: there that I'm into it.

2077
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Like I said, after this past weekend of slop, I'm okay.

2078
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: Well let's get into it. Title that number five is

2079
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 2: the big slop that went down in the big AT

2080
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: and T Stadium outside of Dallas. There Jake Paul versus

2081
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson eight rounds. Wow. So here's the deal. Jake

2082
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 2: Paul out points Mike Tyson in this largely pointless eight

2083
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 2: round exhibition or pro wrestling, if you will, despite Mike

2084
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Tyson having pushed for this to be a sanctioned bout,

2085
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: so luke it broke records on Netflix. We'll get into

2086
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 2: all that. But while it's it might seem easy for

2087
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 2: everyone out there to be like, what the hell were

2088
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 2: you guys expecting with a fifty eight year old How

2089
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: much of a stain do you think this is, if any,

2090
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 2: to boxing? Considering that sixty five million households globally watched

2091
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 2: this fight live and this turned out to be nothing

2092
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 2: more than scripted entertainment between good friends, and I'm just

2093
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 2: standing on that after what we saw. Is this a

2094
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 2: major f you to boxing now that you got all

2095
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: these casuals tuned into your sport? What say you on this?

2096
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad for boxing in any kind

2097
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: of meaningful sense, right, It's not like you had the

2098
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: results that we had and then people were like, you

2099
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: know what, I was going to give boxing a chance,

2100
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: but now I'm just not. I just doesn't like I

2101
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: was gonna watch Zerto Ramirez at the Latino card in

2102
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Riod Saudi Arabia. But you know what, fuck you guys,

2103
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way. I will say, if you

2104
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: wanted to argue that if the fight had been great

2105
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: in whatever version that would have meant, could that have

2106
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 1: gotten people converted? Even then I'm somewhat skeptical of that,

2107
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: but sure that would have been a lot nicer. It

2108
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: would have been happy to talk about that. But I

2109
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 1: don't think boxing suffers. Other than to say did they

2110
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: miss an opportunity? Or what was an opportunity missed? I

2111
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: should say, to potentially turn people into more dedicated fans.

2112
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: You could make that argument. However, the co main event

2113
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome.

2114
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 2: And fifty million people were watching.

2115
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: Fifty no sorry, no that's not right.

2116
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 2: Fifty million household, household not mine. Because half of that

2117
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 2: fight was frozen, Thank you, Netflix. I had to take.

2118
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: But to be honest, I was doing a live block

2119
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 2: for CBS. I had to watch most of that night

2120
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 2: on an illegal stream. It was the only street that

2121
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 2: would hold right.

2122
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: I had to watch an illegal stream at times. Netflix

2123
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 1: fucked that up. We'll talk about that a little bit later,

2124
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: but I will say that I don't I don't look

2125
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: at it in these existential terms, but I think for me,

2126
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: I did have a couple of takeaways we see.

2127
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 2: I hope they all involved stains, because this is yeah.

2128
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: First of all, dude, I have seen all of Jake

2129
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Paul's fights, and I've been to many of them. Jake

2130
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: Pulse fights are fucking boring. They're fucking boring. The first

2131
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 1: Woodley fight was okay ish, The second fight was terrible

2132
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: until that late knockout. The Fury fight sucked, The Silver

2133
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: fight was.

2134
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Fury fight was at least tense and competitive.

2135
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: Competitive. I didn't say it was good. You can have

2136
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: competitive and not be all that good. The Mike Perry

2137
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: fight was a demolition.

2138
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 2: Say and Anderson Silva were kind of the same. We're okay, right, they.

2139
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Were fine, they weren't this okay, what's the what's your

2140
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: favorite highlight? Really? One time he knocked Diaz down in

2141
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: round five or the one time he knocked Silva down,

2142
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: Like beyond that, show me your dude. I can think

2143
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: of a million Bam Rodriguez highlights that have nothing to

2144
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: do with knocking anybody down. Although to some of those

2145
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: two is my point, Like, there's nothing to these here's

2146
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: what got me, and we'll talk about this. I think

2147
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: a little more detailed, but I want to introduce to

2148
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: the conversation after the fight is over. I my first

2149
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: read was like, Jake Paul sucks so bad he couldn't

2150
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: even finish a fifty eight year old guy. Not that

2151
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, but I don't think he wanted

2152
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: to get hit trying and to look bad trying, and

2153
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: so therefore he kind of pumped the brakes. You could

2154
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 1: make that argument, or you could make the argument that

2155
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 1: he had just had mercy on the guy and he

2156
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to finish him off. Either way, In the

2157
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: postfight press conference, he basically admits to like carrying the guy,

2158
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: which is so fucking bad. You can carry a guy

2159
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 1: when they're too tough for their own good. But as

2160
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Brettman Edwards pointed out, if you're going to carry

2161
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: a guy, the point is to preserve their dignity. You

2162
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,879
Speaker 1: betray that by mentioning that the post by press conference.

2163
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 1: But more to the point, there's a more sinister thing

2164
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: going on here. Jake Paul is not good at boxing.

2165
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 1: He's better than you know, obviously celebrities, but he's not good.

2166
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: So a lot of what he does is fucking sandbagging, okay.

2167
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,799
Speaker 1: And people were bitter at me when I was like, dude,

2168
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: finished fucking Mike off. They're like, he's fifty eight. I'm like, guys, guys,

2169
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: stop this, stop this now, you cannot sandbag, And then

2170
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: at the other end simultaneously say I didn't want to

2171
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: do anything because I have mercy on him.

2172
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fuck him up, Ariel, I'm gonna fuck him

2173
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 2: up your respective of.

2174
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: The fact that you're just betraying the dignity you were

2175
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: trying to preserve. Independent of that, when you say it's

2176
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: okay for Jake Paul to do that, you are saying

2177
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: you you don't have to do and deliver on anything.

2178
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: You don't have to try, you don't have to entertain,

2179
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: you don't have to do fuck all. You can make

2180
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: the fight against the worst possible opponent and do nothing

2181
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: in the fight, and we'll say, well, you know what

2182
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: he showed class to preserve. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

2183
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: Do not absolve somebody who is fucking sandbagging in front

2184
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: of you.

2185
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 2: Either stre admits it afterwards, Yes, either.

2186
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: Stretch this fucking guy, or better, don't make fights like fucking.

2187
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 2: This like they had a small strike zone where they

2188
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: were gonna make this super entertaining or make it worth

2189
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 2: its while of hype. We get that we were, we

2190
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 2: were in on that coming in. We all took the

2191
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 2: risk of what this could be because our interest levels

2192
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 2: were just so high. Whether it was in the worst

2193
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 2: kind of like ridiculous way possible or not, or the

2194
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 2: nostalgic way. We got caught up in that too. But

2195
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear another person say, what did

2196
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: you expect with a fifty eight year old guys?

2197
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: Stretch him?

2198
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: Guys, do you know what I expected? Professional boxing match?

2199
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 2: Not a high level possession of professional boxing match, not

2200
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 2: a back and forth competitive one. I expected a boxing

2201
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 2: match where there was going to be a winner and

2202
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 2: a loser and both were gonna try and I expected

2203
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 2: might get stretched, right. I expect them to be dangerous

2204
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: for a round, maybe around half, and then it would

2205
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 2: clutch up with him and it get stopped and it

2206
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: looked like it was heading that way in round three. Instead,

2207
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 2: what we got would have been worse is actually in

2208
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, my opinion, worse than had Mike

2209
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 2: taken the beating and got knocked out, which we wouldn't

2210
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,560
Speaker 2: want for him, But he signed up for this, and

2211
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 2: so did we, by the way, right, So what we

2212
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 2: got was pro wrestling. What we got was not a fight.

2213
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: It was awful and even you know, even though was

2214
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 2: a short period of what you thought you were guaranteed

2215
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 2: to get, which is Mike emptying the tank in the

2216
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 2: first thirty seconds and at least, you know, seeing how

2217
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 2: Jake dealt with that, both just left open periods where

2218
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: they could have punched and did nothing as if they're

2219
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 2: protecting one another. And then you know, obviously after Jake

2220
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 2: hurt him in round three, could have finished him off

2221
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 2: with a hard jab probably, but carried him the distance.

2222
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 2: You can't do the I'm gonna fuck him up aerial

2223
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,560
Speaker 2: routine and the slap and all that on Thursday and

2224
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 2: then do this pro wrestling bullshit here. So what did

2225
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 2: I expect to fight? Because it was Mike Tyson who

2226
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: pushed for this to be a fight, So whatever it

2227
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: was gonna be as bad or as gross or as sloppy,

2228
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 2: we accepted that we were gonna judge it for its

2229
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 2: entertainment value and the time we took to preview this

2230
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 2: and get, you know, and get ready for it. But

2231
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 2: they're showing us that it was pro wrestling in the end,

2232
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 2: and Jake carried him. And yet some people out here

2233
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: are still saying, I can't believe Jake couldn't knock out Mike,

2234
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't a fight. It was what Mike did

2235
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six that people luckily forget about

2236
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 2: when he did that pay per view sparring match with

2237
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 2: Corey Sanders, who was wearing a T shirt by the way,

2238
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 2: and it was so poorly received that they had to

2239
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 2: cancel the rest of the pay per view tour, and

2240
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: then they basically were gonna put Mike in Vegas and

2241
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: just have him be in attraction training in there where

2242
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 2: people would pay money to see it. It was like,

2243
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 2: that's sad. This was worse than that because of how

2244
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: many people they grabbed stopped. I know you didn't have

2245
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: to pay the pay per view, I know that, and

2246
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 2: that's a bonus in this case. Home Maine event was

2247
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 2: unbelievable and should have led our show, to be fair

2248
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: with you, But when you get this many people's attention

2249
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 2: you're entitled to attempt to entertain them and what you're

2250
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 2: promised that you're selling because there's a thin line here.

2251
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 2: There's always a thin line of combat sports between playing

2252
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: up the pro wrestling side of the promotion and you know,

2253
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 2: get we'll let you do that. Who knows if Mike

2254
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: Tyson was really mad when Jake stepped on his foot

2255
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 2: and slept, we were all like, whatever, it produced a moment,

2256
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 2: we talked about it. It got us to care a

2257
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 2: little bit more. But that wasn't a fight in there.

2258
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 2: And when the casuals who probably only last came for

2259
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: Mayweather McGregor you know what I mean, or Mayweather Pacquiao

2260
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: and get upset all the time because they feel this

2261
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 2: sport is fixed and no one wants to fight each

2262
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 2: other and all that stuff, Well what did we give them, Luke?

2263
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 2: We gave them no reason to watch boxing. And to

2264
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 2: be fair for Jake here, I think the bubbles burst

2265
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: on the Jake Paul experience. Luke, you nailed it like

2266
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 2: they jumped the shark right here. We always thought it

2267
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 2: was going to be a loss for Jake that would

2268
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: end us. If somebody knocked him out, well that's the end.

2269
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 2: Of this crossover bubble, and to Jake's credit as a

2270
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 2: master marketer, he's kept this bubble alive and it's been

2271
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:09,679
Speaker 2: the face of it. But Luke, how does the bubble

2272
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 2: go on from here on out? I know that's not

2273
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: our first point of emphasis to care, but I think

2274
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 2: Jake not only gave boxing the middle finger, Harry, he

2275
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: kind of gave any respect people have for his own career,

2276
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 2: not based on that you took a fight against a

2277
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 2: fifty eight year old, but that it wasn't even a

2278
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: fight in the end, and it was, and then you

2279
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 2: admit afterwards that you carried him and none of the

2280
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 2: punch is hurt at all. It's like, then, what, why

2281
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,560
Speaker 2: the fuck did any of us care about this? To

2282
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 2: begin with? I accepted the potential slop that it was

2283
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: going to be, but at least be at least be

2284
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 2: what you're selling.

2285
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 1: I I you know, it's hard to say after this,

2286
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how what he does can

2287
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: be bigger than what this was. Now, this was stupid

2288
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: as hell, but in terms of its size and its scope,

2289
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: which really, I mean, if you think about a BC,

2290
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: like what does a what does a great career in

2291
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: boxing look like. It looks like, you know, to the

2292
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: extent possible, the maximum amount of legitimacy markers, you could

2293
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 1: get world title, you know, gold medal, whatever. You want

2294
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money, right, and you want

2295
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: to take as little damage as possible. He gave up

2296
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: the legitimacy part, but he was able to speed run

2297
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the money, and he was able to speed run taking

2298
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,799
Speaker 1: no damage. It's incredible, right, But of course that messes

2299
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: up the equation because when you can speed run the

2300
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: other ones, you're making a trade off in something that

2301
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: actually is not good for any of us. So here's

2302
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. I don't know that it's wise

2303
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: to say the bubble has popped, but I am going

2304
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: to say two things. One is I just indicated I

2305
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 1: don't know where they go from here to get a

2306
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: bigger event than this was. I just don't know how

2307
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 1: you do it. And second of all, there has to

2308
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 1: be some kind of recognition that, like there's no there there,

2309
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: Not every fight has to be great, not every fight

2310
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: has to be fun, not every fight has to be

2311
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: the most important one. But when none of them are important,

2312
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: the expectation for some kind of deliverable to the consumer

2313
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 1: is heightened, it is magnified. And if you don't deliver

2314
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: on that, what the fuck is the point if the

2315
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: fight between Jake and Mike excuse me, Jake and Mike

2316
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: Tyson means nothing, because it doesn't. There's no ranking, there's

2317
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 1: no world title, it's not for anything in a division.

2318
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,719
Speaker 1: It's just for fun. Okay. But it wasn't that either,

2319
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: Well then what was it? It was? It was an

2320
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 1: act of nothingness. So my point is, I don't think

2321
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: it's wise to throw the baby out with the bathwater

2322
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: here as well and say, well, there's nothing that he

2323
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,799
Speaker 1: can do anymore with a match made against an opponent

2324
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: that the public believes would reasonably force him into some

2325
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 1: kind of action or would be some kind of threat

2326
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: in a real way.

2327
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 2: So it couldn't be a Tommy Fury rematch. It'd have

2328
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 2: to almost at this point, be a real something like that.

2329
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Something like that too sloppy.

2330
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what the child is junior one, because

2331
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:53,799
Speaker 1: he already lost to Anderson Silva.

2332
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's shut down, but I'm saying, like, whatever,

2333
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 2: whatever certain point, whatever certain percentage of the real boxing

2334
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 2: public or combat sports media and fan public that cared

2335
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: about him under the guys that he's not for real,

2336
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 2: for real, but he's trying to get pretty close to it,

2337
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 2: and he keeps talking about that payoff of fighting for

2338
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 2: a world title or fighting Canelo, Like we we kind

2339
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 2: of pretended to care still in this universe, especially when

2340
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 2: he's fighting you know, big name X boxers and MMA guys,

2341
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 2: and it's suddenly a thing again. I just meant like

2342
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 2: jumping the sharp and popping jumping the shark and popping

2343
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 2: in the balloon. From the standpoint of like why should

2344
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: we ever care again?

2345
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 1: There's one who's next.

2346
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate, Carl Frotz is embarrassing himself throwing himself at him.

2347
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 2: Archer Better Beef put out a tweet.

2348
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 4: I know.

2349
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean again, the commercial appeal is significant and if

2350
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: you're Archer Better be can you imagine fighting dude Better

2351
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: be versus Jake Paul would be legalized. Murder's on the table.

2352
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 2: But Jake wasn't even going after Canelo. If you saw afterwards,

2353
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 2: he wasn't aggressively.

2354
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 1: Like he was. This is my point, like, I just

2355
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: need folks to realize on some level, Jake, you have

2356
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: to like just take a second. I'm gonna say things

2357
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: that sound obvious, but take a second. He's not good

2358
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: at boxing. He has limited skills to produce the kind

2359
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: of action or to guide about in a way that

2360
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,839
Speaker 1: elite pros do, because he simply doesn't have the ability.

2361
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: If he is hampered by that, and he is hampered

2362
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:20,719
Speaker 1: by the ethical concerns of the very fight that he booked,

2363
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Remember he's the fighter and the promoter. If he's got

2364
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: ethical concerns about the fight he booked, and he's not

2365
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 1: that good at meaningfully moving the fight forward, what the

2366
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: fuck is the appeal to the customer?

2367
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 2: What is it? That's why I think this is such

2368
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: a bad stain. I'm not going to do the whole

2369
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 2: it's such a bad stain on boxing. You think it's

2370
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it's good for boxing at all. But

2371
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 2: I just think it's a bad stain on Jake because

2372
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 2: Jake then admits I carried him. Even though there's people

2373
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: that like legit like when I play the Dana sound,

2374
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 2: there's people that legitimately believe like Jake is.

2375
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: I think he pumped the brakes for more reasons than

2376
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: just mercy.

2377
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 2: I do believe that well, image too and also I

2378
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 2: think they're friends. And he wanted to help Mike out,

2379
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 2: but maybe let's play the un please.

2380
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 7: But he basically said, I told him, Mike, you're basically

2381
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 7: sixty years old. And he's like, you honestly think this

2382
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 7: fucking kid's gonna do anything to me.

2383
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 2: He's not good.

2384
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 7: He's not gonna fucking knock me out. He's not gonna

2385
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 7: do this. And you saw him. He tripped when he

2386
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 7: was walking down the thing. He had a hard time

2387
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 7: walking up the stairs. He got a knee brace on

2388
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 7: and Jake Paul couldn't do anything to him. He made

2389
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 7: a ton of money. And I know people are mad

2390
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 7: you stayed home on a Saturday night, but you didn't

2391
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 7: pay for it, you know what I mean. And you know, Mike,

2392
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 7: this is what Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson shows up. Everybody

2393
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 7: makes money. You know, Jake Paul is.

2394
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: You know.

2395
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 7: I don't have to tell you guys. You guys know

2396
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 7: Mike Tyson is the A plus plus plus plus side

2397
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 7: of that thing.

2398
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 2: And and he was right.

2399
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 7: Jake Paul couldn't do shit to him. He was right,

2400
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 7: and I was wrong.

2401
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, John Jones would almost say the same thing too. Afterwards,

2402
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 2: like they were like more ragging on Jake for not

2403
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 2: being able to hurt him or finish him. Neither of

2404
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 2: these guys went for it, Luke, are people not seeing

2405
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 2: this well?

2406
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: But whether it's a function of ability or mercy, it

2407
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: almost doesn't even matter.

2408
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 2: But wouldn't it be really bad if Jake had a

2409
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: failure to launch out of fear or just didn't want

2410
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 2: the stain of getting caught by something from Mike.

2411
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be equally bad. But this is my point.

2412
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:19,440
Speaker 1: It's like, either way, dude, if these are the conditions

2413
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 1: that you, as a fighter and promoter have put yourself into,

2414
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: you don't get to after the bout be like what

2415
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: I was trying to do, X, Y and Z.

2416
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 2: It's like and anyone like, you know, did I want

2417
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 2: to see Mike get hurt? No? But then when Mike

2418
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 2: puts out that tweet afterwards, which was his way of

2419
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 2: sort of like, you know, telling us why it was

2420
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 2: all worth it to him and that this is, you know,

2421
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: such a big moral victory and to some degree for

2422
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 2: him to get the shape that he's in and for

2423
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 2: him to command this much attention, like it is a

2424
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 2: win for Mike to some degree except for the fight

2425
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 2: and how some of us are talking about it, But like,

2426
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 2: which direction was I going with?

2427
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 9: Oh wait, what am I teeing up here? I just

2428
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 9: lost track of what was in my head? Yeah, I

2429
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 9: just lost It was a waste of time. It was

2430
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 9: boxing is fucking People are like, would you want you

2431
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 9: wanted to knock out Mike? It's like, again, if you

2432
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 9: weren't willing to do it, then don't put him in

2433
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,919
Speaker 9: the bout. But boxing is dangerous.

2434
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, it was tweet Mike was saying. So

2435
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 2: the whole that's the whole point of this is Mike

2436
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 2: basically said that when he was had that medical emergency

2437
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 2: on the airplane, He's saying that he lost twenty six pounds,

2438
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 2: needed six IV transfusions, blood trans blood, fans choosing to

2439
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 2: excuse me to survive, and almost died. Like this is

2440
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand percent. Should not have been sanctioned as

2441
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 2: a real fight. No, And if it had played out

2442
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: what I'm complaining that it didn't, Mike would have been

2443
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 2: in serious trouble here, right, he.

2444
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 1: Could have been. This is my point. If you can't

2445
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: have an opponent, like, what the fuck is the point

2446
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: of having a commission. If a guy in this kind

2447
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 1: of medical condition he can get a license, even with

2448
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: amended rule sets. He should have never have been in that.

2449
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Rule, wouldn't you say never? Mike tweeting that, mixed with

2450
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 2: Jacob Green admitting that he carried him and that this

2451
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 2: was a farce. Don't they aren't they just showing everybody

2452
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: what this was?

2453
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: They just they just jacked off in everyone's faces. Yeah,

2454
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson's case, showing us as let's see it.

2455
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:11,640
Speaker 2: It's let's see it.

2456
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: What's your pick? Vicious? When? Vicious? When? Thank you, Dad?

2457
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: I love you too. Look at that ass? What do

2458
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: we do?

2459
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it was one of the great crazy moments.

2460
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 2: It was during a time when my screen was frozen

2461
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 2: and I couldn't figure out how to hit play, so

2462
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 2: I didn't get to see one of the greatest moments

2463
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 2: in TV history live.

2464
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: But thank you, Mike. What a moment.

2465
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 2: Let's hear it. I mean, this next quote from Jake

2466
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 2: just makes me mad too. Let's hear from Jake.

2467
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 8: Travanta Davis just posted that he would beat the brakes

2468
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 8: off for you if you guys fight.

2469
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'll be down. Let's run it like

2470
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 6: I'll be super super down.

2471
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2472
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if Paul.

2473
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 6: Let's be clear, right, is there is there a height

2474
01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:59,799
Speaker 6: limit in boxing?

2475
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: What about you and Connor McGregor, are you interested in that?

2476
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll never do that, though he knows he knows

2477
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 6: way a way.

2478
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's wrap up that talk. There are a lot

2479
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 2: of people calling him out. You know, I don't want

2480
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 2: to see Carl or even andre Ward showing.

2481
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: That anybody who anybody who's a legitimate threat to stretch him.

2482
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 2: I'll watch that, okay, But like, would that fight, let's

2483
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 2: say it was andre Ward or Carl Frotch, would that

2484
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 2: be well received because it's, at least in theory, leveling

2485
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 2: the playing field.

2486
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2487
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what, what stage, I don't know what.

2488
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 1: Andre looks like. He's in good shape. Still. Yeah, he's

2489
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: also our boss. Let's be very careful about that. But

2490
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 1: he was on the desk and he looked to be

2491
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: reasonably spry, and he was telling the truth budget he was.

2492
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: He was Carl Froch, just in his own way, kind

2493
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 1: of telling the.

2494
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 2: Dude calling him Jake's lady. Though he's like going for it.

2495
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little. What I'm trying to make is,

2496
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, going after this event, you cannot do in

2497
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: terms of its success as a financial result or even

2498
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: a pop culture moment. It was enormous and all it

2499
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,679
Speaker 1: was a I'll say this BC. It was very successfully promoted,

2500
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: super super well promoted. But there is nothing to the

2501
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 1: Jake Paul experience.

2502
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 2: And they showed it to him in the end. They

2503
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 2: showed us the guy behind the curtain in the end.

2504
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: It is completely devoid of like what makes boxing great.

2505
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 1: You could make a list of things. He takes all

2506
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: of those things out and then asks you to still watch.

2507
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself. I don't want to watch that. Yeah,

2508
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 1: put some danger back in there, put some suspense, put

2509
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: some mystery back in there, put some difficulty, put some

2510
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: competition back in there, and I'll watch.

2511
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He sold his own soul for

2512
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 2: this fight. Everyone did, and I guess we're all lucky.

2513
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 2: Maybe I should change my analysis that Mike didn't get

2514
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 2: laid out in that regard, but we should be talking

2515
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 2: more about this co main event. Katie Taylor, Amanda Serano too,

2516
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 2: and it it was amazing. It was an all action

2517
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:58,760
Speaker 2: war and both sold out, but unfortunately the head buds

2518
01:51:58,800 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 2: from Katie Taylor played a.

2519
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: Do you think she was fighting dirty?

2520
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Not purposely dirty, although that was hilarious when her obnoxious

2521
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,679
Speaker 2: Serrano's obnoxious trainer, Jerdan mode Nada was like, we love Katie.

2522
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 2: She's a great woman, but she got a big head. Yeah,

2523
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 2: she cheats every time, and Serrano would pull back her

2524
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 2: original post fight comments about the tea. No, but I

2525
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 2: do think she's very aggressive with that and maybe you

2526
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 2: know in ways that the referees don't admonish or warn

2527
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 2: her enough for and Luke, I think the bigger topic

2528
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 2: is she gets a Canelo level of benefit of the

2529
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 2: doubt on the scorecards in any remote close fight. Now,

2530
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 2: in the end, this goes down again like the first one,

2531
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 2: as a very close basically flip the coin fight. But

2532
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 2: there's some arguments in the side of Serrano winning here.

2533
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 2: She landed the bigger punches throughout, it seemed to my eyes,

2534
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 2: even though both fought like warriors, and she landed one

2535
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 2: hundred and seven more punches according to Comby Box in

2536
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 2: total like fifty percent of her power shots. And Katie

2537
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 2: Taylor was doctor point in round eight or leading with

2538
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 2: the head. So I thought Amanda got a raw deal

2539
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: in a very close fight in the first one. I

2540
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 2: scored this rematch for Amanda. It could have gone either way. Yes,

2541
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 2: because in this two minute round format, which Katie is

2542
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 2: forcing them to do in this series and women's boxing

2543
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 2: in general is still using when it just makes no sense.

2544
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 2: It is hard to score some of these rounds because

2545
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 2: both are just selling out. Well, Luke, I don't think.

2546
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word robbery, but I

2547
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: also don't think it's wrong to say, Damn Serrano did

2548
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 2: not get the benefit of any doubt in any of

2549
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 2: that circumstance, in my opinion, to have two amazingly close

2550
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 2: fights in this amazingly great series and have a big

2551
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 2: unanimous decision loss again here, So.

2552
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say we're short on time, so I don't

2553
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 1: have a whole lot to add. I will say this.

2554
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 1: I went back and I looked at the stats she

2555
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 1: resorted to and always does. Amana Serrano is a prodigious

2556
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 1: body puncher, dude. I have seen enough body punchers in

2557
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,799
Speaker 1: MMA and boxing complain at the end when the decision

2558
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't go their way, or even the scores were much

2559
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: closer than they imagined because Katie Taylor head hunted, but

2560
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 1: it had a demonstrative effect the cut as well, even

2561
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:06,839
Speaker 1: though she'll square up and just let go and Amanda

2562
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: went heavy to the body, so people pointing out to

2563
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 1: the fight stats being like, oh, well, look how much

2564
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 1: more she landed, And I'm like, I really don't know

2565
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 1: how much judges actually count body punching that doesn't produce

2566
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,600
Speaker 1: it or like a change in behavior. If they just

2567
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 1: eat it, they it's hard to know any value that

2568
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 1: it has.

2569
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 2: You don't win fights on the CompuBox. She and it's

2570
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 2: got to be hard to track those in a fight

2571
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 2: like this where they're just throwing but one hundred and

2572
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 2: seven more and a couple other and the point deduction too.

2573
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 1: It's like, when I rewatched, I did think it was

2574
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 1: very close, and closer than I thought the first time

2575
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: because also I lost a bunch of rounds because of

2576
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: the Netflix stuff. I also thought Amanda won the first one,

2577
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: and I thought she won this one.

2578
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 2: She deserves to get three minutes and twelve rounds.

2579
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm going to say with the point deduction,

2580
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,400
Speaker 1: I really think Amanda should have won, absent that it's

2581
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: very close.

2582
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 2: It is, but she would so benefit and that's why

2583
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 2: both fights she pushed forward to try to get the

2584
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 2: twelve rounds three minute rounds like I don't know. And

2585
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 2: it's nothing against Katie Taylor. She's great. Here's here's a

2586
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 2: sound from Katie Taylor. She doesn't give a damn of

2587
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 2: the headbutt from the Serrano camp. What do you attribute

2588
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 2: those head butts to? How did those happen?

2589
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: In your opinion, it just.

2590
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 4: Happens sometimes when you're fighting against the sail Paul, especially

2591
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 4: the fires going close and and it just it just happens.

2592
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 4: I was completely accidental. I mean, they're calling me a

2593
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 4: dirty fight or whatever, but that wasn't purposely done.

2594
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 2: Obviously.

2595
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 4: I'm in there fighting like she is, and and it's

2596
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 4: a rough sport and sometimes you get head classes. Some

2597
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 4: you have to fight shoot those things.

2598
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 1: This is the fight game.

2599
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 2: I've liked her reaction to it because she hasn't played

2600
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 2: into the Saucier side of it or anything. And it's

2601
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 2: not her fault. She didn't score the fights, Luke, but

2602
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 2: she does. She is aggressive leading with that head. But

2603
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:52,720
Speaker 2: do you want to see a third fight? Even though

2604
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 2: in weird circumstances. I want to see a third fight.

2605
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I would see a third fire between them.

2606
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 2: I think they deserve it, and they deserved more of

2607
01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 2: time on our show, but we gave it to the

2608
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 2: other big, big name events, and that happens.

2609
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: All right. Listen, we had to dunk on Jake Paul.

2610
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: We did. We did.

2611
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Do you want to skip DMS or we're go this quickly?

2612
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's hit it. We gave you the chance

2613
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 2: and we do it every Sunday night at morning combat

2614
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 2: on the Socials. Respond to our plea for your questions,

2615
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 2: that will answer. It's DMS from donks A. Let's do it,

2616
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 2: all right, Let's go from Vin Meanitti. Vin Menitti says,

2617
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 2: what do you think is John Jones's money number to

2618
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 2: fight Aspenall? It seems like he's willing with a fair payday.

2619
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that, but I'm going to say

2620
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: somewhere between twenty and thirty million.

2621
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 2: They can get him for low twenties. I even think

2622
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: they can get him for like nineteen seventeen and a half.

2623
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Al right, sold I think it's between twenty and thirty

2624
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 1: somewhere in there.

2625
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 2: I just wish John wasn't showing us that he thinks

2626
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 2: that he's gonna lose. I don't think he's being as

2627
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 2: savvy as he thinks.

2628
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 1: He understands where he's at in his career, and he

2629
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 1: knows it's a good chance he could lose. I do

2630
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: not think he's scared. I do not think he's afraid.

2631
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: But I think he knows that there's a limit to

2632
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 1: what anybody can do, and he it's a risk that

2633
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: he would losing. Wants to be paid for that.

2634
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Flannels and JITs at number two.

2635
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 2: Who should bow Nickel fight next? We toss that around.

2636
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 2: Hermanson might be too rough of a fight, but also, hey,

2637
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 2: bo Joe us what you can do. I'd be down

2638
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 2: for I know you liked Copy Love. I'd be down

2639
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 2: for Hermanson, not Joe Pifer right, not Pifer yet.

2640
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 1: No, Hermanson I could tolerate, even though he's ranked and

2641
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: that in that place. But I just think we need

2642
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 1: to be careful.

2643
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:31,919
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland, he's been lingering between divisions.

2644
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2645
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland's wrestling is really bad.

2646
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: That's a problem. Like Copy Love will try and defend

2647
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 1: the takedown. I feel like, yeah, no, I don't like

2648
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 1: that one.

2649
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go to walking.

2650
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: On areas.

2651
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 2: Why the f is Tommy Fury versus Darren Till a

2652
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 2: boxing match January eighteenth? I believe on his own? Yeah,

2653
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 2: why the hell has this happened?

2654
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: What the fuck else are there those guys gonna do?

2655
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Is Darren Till never fighting in the UFC? I don't think.

2656
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he comes back, I don't know, but

2657
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 1: not right now, not anytime soon.

2658
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not. I don't hate it. I'll watch it.

2659
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I'll watch it.

2660
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Is there money in Jake versus Tommy Fury too?

2661
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: I think so? Mm hmm, maybe that isn't I don't

2662
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: think it's this is what I mean? Like, is it

2663
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 1: as good as Mike Tyson money? No way, you know?

2664
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 2: But is there some I guess he's Maybe that is

2665
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 2: the right move because he'd be back on a competitive level,

2666
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 2: prove that you can win.

2667
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 1: The KSI like, is he still boxing?

2668
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 2: That's still the big one in a lot of ways.

2669
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 1: But also we'll say this, you ask how they could

2670
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: escalate it. Jake Paul versus Connor McGregor would be fucking huge.

2671
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 2: I hate to say that, but it's true, this is

2672
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 2: world's worst hero? How a would a boxing match between

2673
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Jake and Edgar Burlogago? Jake would beat Yes, Jake would

2674
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,160
Speaker 2: be bigger, but Berlonga would be a technically better boxer.

2675
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 1: But not so when we say Burlonga is not good,

2676
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 1: we're right. Jake is much less good than that.

2677
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean Berlonga also survived twelve rounds with Canelo, which

2678
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 2: is not nothing.

2679
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 1: So it's like Longa would beat the dog o.

2680
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 2: Yes, you will not see that. And finally from Long

2681
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 2: Island Rob, is this a competitive to this is a

2682
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 2: world's worst hero? Again? But he's saying Long Island Rob. Here,

2683
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 2: I'll be cornering a friend slash training partner for his

2684
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 2: first MMA match this Friday, and I'm looking for some advice.

2685
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 2: What are the most effective coaching strategies are cornering that

2686
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: stand out to you?

2687
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 1: Got two things I'm gonna say for first time people

2688
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 1: who are cornering. Number one, please make sure you have

2689
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,879
Speaker 1: the right corner equipment the ends in a worst case scenario.

2690
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: And swell. You need to have gauze. You need to

2691
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 1: have obviously vasiline. You need to have an applicator. You

2692
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 1: need to have a lot of things, right, So please

2693
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 1: don't be like it's only two minute rounds, we don't

2694
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: need nothing, and then they go in there and get

2695
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 1: fucking wax and you don't have shit. Now you're in trouble.

2696
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Second of all, I tend to think

2697
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 1: giving them two to three bullet points to think about

2698
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 1: in between rounds is the best, but even two, if

2699
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: you can simplify it, do this one thing, do the

2700
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: other thing. You got this go. You cannot overload them.

2701
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Give them two big things to think about and let

2702
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 1: the rest.

2703
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Would you add a little coach litory like puff up

2704
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 2: like you're doing yeah, like because she was like, you're

2705
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 2: doing great, Mike.

2706
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: Look, she was like, kind of just depends how many

2707
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 1: cornermen you have. Okay, if you're like a cornerman required

2708
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:11,720
Speaker 1: to give advice, you need to do something a little differently.

2709
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 2: When Christian Deguero makes his Smart Cage debut, big hero

2710
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 2: will he allowed me to be in his corner he

2711
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 2: better because I'll notory the ship out of you better

2712
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 2: that young man, right, all right, he's I'm using him now.

2713
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 2: All right, hey, let's get into my ship. Here. This

2714
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,839
Speaker 2: is where we close off every Monday because I scoured

2715
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 2: the globe for the Internet and I found videos that

2716
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 2: are ideally trying to make Luke laugh really hard. This

2717
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 2: one's called have you seen this shit?

2718
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: You make me laugh a lot, don't don't say you

2719
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: don't you? I always laugh at your joke.

2720
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much.

2721
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 1: I also always laugh at you.

2722
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's true. More Tyson Paul fall out. This

2723
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:58,480
Speaker 2: was the reaction to most of us watching Luke. Okay,

2724
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:09,120
Speaker 2: look anything for the brown. That's how you influence.

2725
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: What happened.

2726
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't think they enjoyed the fight. They thought it

2727
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,960
Speaker 2: was pro wrestling, and I don't.

2728
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't understand this bit where I'm going to record

2729
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 1: my reaction after I vandalize my own property. That's the

2730
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 1: lowest like that. You know what that is? You literally

2731
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 1: can't say anything interesting at all, so you just engage

2732
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,960
Speaker 1: in like Howler monkey feces throwing as a way to

2733
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 1: get attention. You're a fucking loser, ass bitch.

2734
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 2: Okay, look, Tyson's ass moment was kind of relatable for

2735
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:45,280
Speaker 2: some Luke. I mean this, you know that's so good? Okay,

2736
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: uh wow, let's go to the triathlon course, Luke. Let's

2737
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 2: listen to this runner closely.

2738
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 1: But as hard as she could, and she went all

2739
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 1: in myself. Okay, not get my ass, thank you? All right,

2740
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: that's me getting off the train every time.

2741
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 2: Y sure this is a Joseph A. Beggs please, okay,

2742
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 2: Jersey of the week time, Luke.

2743
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:12,920
Speaker 1: I hope she's okay.

2744
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 4: That is.

2745
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, dude, like I like women who

2746
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 1: are older. I don't quite understand all these people being

2747
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:26,760
Speaker 1: like barely legal I've never done. I guess you know

2748
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:29,040
Speaker 1: a thing for me. Yeah, I like them. I like

2749
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:30,240
Speaker 1: them late twenties, early thirty.

2750
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:33,360
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I like them. I'm married.

2751
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm married too. I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking.

2752
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 2: Okay, let's put some women on a scooter and see

2753
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:39,200
Speaker 2: what happens.

2754
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:47,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, there's a maximum loading capacity on that,

2755
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 1: you fucking bovines next.

2756
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:53,200
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, Reggie Jackson has been a regular member of

2757
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 2: Morning Combat of late at. This guy's the Reggie Jackson

2758
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:57,360
Speaker 2: of weightlifting. Watch this.

2759
02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I've seen this.

2760
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm watching him.

2761
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:03,000
Speaker 1: Look at this motherfucker. So you have to brace really hard,

2762
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 1: push against the belt. Obviously that's a clean rep too.

2763
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're watching the cat squat and that cat

2764
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 2: is uh yeah, you take him to the shelter after this, Yes,

2765
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, Luke John Jones shelter maybe Okay did you

2766
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:21,080
Speaker 2: say the shelter? Yeah, to euthanize them, yeh yeah.

2767
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not down reaction. Here's my reaction. Ready, you

2768
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:25,600
Speaker 1: got to euthanize that?

2769
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I will not accept this. John Jones

2770
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:31,000
Speaker 2: may be the greatest MMA player of all time player,

2771
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 2: he ain't the real on the basketball court though. Here's

2772
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 2: John warming up at MSG LO four than.

2773
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 1: Can you shoot for ship.

2774
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Negatory?

2775
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:43,880
Speaker 1: Good buddy?

2776
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 2: And you wonder if I always wonder if every MMA

2777
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 2: fighter can dunk? Like, how athletic are they? Do you

2778
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 2: think John can dunk?

2779
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:53,040
Speaker 1: He's very athletic.

2780
02:03:53,160 --> 02:04:02,040
Speaker 2: Let's watch. This is an older video, but it is athletics.

2781
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: He's very athletic. But yeah, not for that. Who can dunk?

2782
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 1: Serial game?

2783
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah you can't. Speaking of hoops, look check out this

2784
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 2: grab bag into those.

2785
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 1: What the fuck you? He's doing a sack whack?

2786
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh well, what's called the sack sackquack?

2787
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 1: We used to play that in college.

2788
02:04:23,320 --> 02:04:25,320
Speaker 2: That's so lame. Walk up next to the guy that

2789
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:28,400
Speaker 2: in the Yeah, guys always touching.

2790
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,040
Speaker 1: Technically that was the Marine Corps thing, if I can

2791
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 1: be honest, which is not much different than trains to.

2792
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:39,240
Speaker 2: Look, it's time to you know, people are trying to

2793
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 2: chug things to get popular, you know, chuck things fast.

2794
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 2: They're just gonna kill themselves. Watch this guy chug sparkling

2795
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 2: water like.

2796
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 1: A sad death star. But can you chug a sparkling

2797
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:55,400
Speaker 1: water and not burp like a look walk It looks

2798
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,640
Speaker 1: like a La Croix's whatever you want to call it.

2799
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, what do I do?

2800
02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 1: Someone needs to euthanize that bitch too? Can I take

2801
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 1: a story very quickly? When I was in high school,

2802
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:13,400
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine and I were walking and there

2803
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:15,920
Speaker 1: was like this old man who was like dude, he

2804
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,280
Speaker 1: was old like, he had a hard time moving down

2805
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,879
Speaker 1: the street. And my buddy said to me, looking at him, pointing,

2806
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: someone needs to euthanize that bitch. He heard us, he

2807
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 1: heard us, or he hurt him anyway, and ever since

2808
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:31,440
Speaker 1: I was nothing, he just kind of looked at us

2809
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 1: like like he was he was. He was having a

2810
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:35,760
Speaker 1: rough day. But for to be someone in earshot to

2811
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 1: say someone needs to euthanize that bitch.

2812
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 2: Hey, is he out of son? You showed up at

2813
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 2: a dance festival and took part. That's him in the middle.

2814
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 2: I bet you he tears up wedding like reception.

2815
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:54,320
Speaker 10: I do.

2816
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Is this the same EDM festival that Shack MAJORI went

2817
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:04,520
Speaker 2: to over the weekend.

2818
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 1: It's actually shocked in the background doing it up.

2819
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 2: Are you impressed?

2820
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: You can dance? It doesn't do much for me personally,

2821
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:15,320
Speaker 1: but like you know, he can move all right.

2822
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:19,080
Speaker 2: Look, luckily there's some party ingenuity going on the world

2823
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:21,840
Speaker 2: and people are being smarter and more efficient in their

2824
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:25,200
Speaker 2: drug use. What do you think of this pizza slice bomb?

2825
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 1: Can I give a slice?

2826
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

2827
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean it is putting two of your three favorite

2828
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:34,680
Speaker 2: things together and it once. All you need is some

2829
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:38,480
Speaker 2: Latin women. Let's go to this four second beer idea.

2830
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't again, I don't think. I don't know how

2831
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 2: these things don't kill your insides. What I'm going to

2832
02:06:42,120 --> 02:06:45,440
Speaker 2: do is take this drill and this drill pump bit

2833
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:52,320
Speaker 2: and shoved this beer like an absolute boss. Oh boy, hum.

2834
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:55,480
Speaker 11: A good.

2835
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh.

2836
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 3: That was awesome, dude.

2837
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 1: You know I'm all for blue collar ingenuity. Yes, that's

2838
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 1: why women live longer than men.

2839
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 2: I don't know how that doesn't take a year off

2840
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:32,360
Speaker 2: of your life every time you do that. What about

2841
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:34,680
Speaker 2: this weed face mask? Like, I know you're gonna say yes,

2842
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 2: but this looks like it could kill you.

2843
02:07:36,440 --> 02:07:37,840
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the whole point.

2844
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:41,560
Speaker 2: That's euthanasia right there.

2845
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:45,280
Speaker 1: But everyone, I hope everyone sees when it's time for

2846
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:48,480
Speaker 1: me to go. That's how I'm if I get if

2847
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:51,640
Speaker 1: I got a terminal cancer, fucking like, uh, get the

2848
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 1: face mask, give me, get the mask and just finish

2849
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 1: me off in Maryland?

2850
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:58,680
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, dirty cars usually make for fun moments

2851
02:07:58,760 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 2: on this show. Let's check in.

2852
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 1: That.

2853
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,879
Speaker 2: Oh that old ive eco model there, Luke.

2854
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,960
Speaker 1: Massive cock, Yes, okay, it's fun.

2855
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 2: I think we have the garbage can too, to check out.

2856
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:16,560
Speaker 1: Glitters.

2857
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's creative, right right?

2858
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 1: I called it wrong, But you ever.

2859
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 2: Play the Fender strotocaster before, Luke? Sorry, scroto casters got

2860
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,040
Speaker 2: a dick and ball. Yeah wow, that's something right there. Okay,

2861
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:33,000
Speaker 2: let's go into the classroom. Let's see how that ingenuity

2862
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:33,400
Speaker 2: is going.

2863
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 1: You know what, these are people who are like I

2864
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 1: didn't learn anything in high school, and I'm like, yeah,

2865
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,720
Speaker 1: I can see that. I hope you broke your back,

2866
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 1: you dumb fucking bovine.

2867
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 2: Pinatas bring fun to the show often.

2868
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we got the fucking be careful for

2869
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:56,560
Speaker 1: Grandma boiler watch.

2870
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 2: Yoh, that guy's been waiting a long time for that moment.

2871
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 1: Luke, Wow, what the fuck?

2872
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:05,960
Speaker 4: Luke?

2873
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,200
Speaker 2: We know how much you love Margarita, so watch this.

2874
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:20,080
Speaker 1: You know what I feel? Kind of bad When I

2875
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:21,840
Speaker 1: was a waiter. You ever been a waiter? No, I

2876
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:24,840
Speaker 1: was a waiter at a steakhouse right after college.

2877
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:25,840
Speaker 2: What was the name of the place.

2878
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 1: It was at a Rondack or something at Arondnick. So

2879
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 1: it was at a steakhouse in Richmond Highway in Winnsburg, Virginia,

2880
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 1: just the summer before I moved. And uh, I learned

2881
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,520
Speaker 1: that you can't really carry alcoholic drinks in your tray

2882
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:41,640
Speaker 1: like that, like one handed. Yes, you got to get

2883
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 1: the two handed and if they got the long stems, bitch,

2884
02:09:44,360 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 1: you're asking for trouble.

2885
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that job. Would you eat at this place?

2886
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 1: Though? Jerk off the grill?

2887
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean you can get your jerk off the grill

2888
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 2: right right off?

2889
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nader said, this place is right down the block

2890
02:09:57,160 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 3: from us.

2891
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 1: Oh, you would know. Na deer would know. That's right. Okay,

2892
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I want the extra white sauce on that

2893
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 1: bitch a couple more.

2894
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 2: Let's fart.

2895
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:07,680
Speaker 10: Luke, watch this behind me. There are five very brave

2896
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:09,240
Speaker 10: women today. We are going to see if they have

2897
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 10: what it takes to withstand one of my parts. The

2898
02:10:12,240 --> 02:10:15,760
Speaker 10: last girl to leave the bubble wins five hundred dollars cash.

2899
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:33,040
Speaker 1: It's like sitting in the podcast, I was like, dude,

2900
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 1: my wife could ace this game.

2901
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,120
Speaker 2: Let's go to the drive through.

2902
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:45,880
Speaker 1: You you let him get see you're fucking with fast

2903
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:46,920
Speaker 1: food workers. Man.

2904
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 11: All right, let's keep the going's in prayer.

2905
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. You should go to jail for this.

2906
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:05,600
Speaker 2: That's basically a what do you call that with the

2907
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:08,640
Speaker 2: covers where you do the du Yeah, that's basically it.

2908
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 2: I got one more for you, Luke.

2909
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:11,920
Speaker 1: Rate me on a scale one to ten?

2910
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 2: Thank you?

2911
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,920
Speaker 3: What would make me a ten if you had.

2912
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 1: A huge co.

2913
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:24,760
Speaker 2: All right, maybe not the best ship you've ever seen,

2914
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:25,760
Speaker 2: but you still saw it.

2915
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:29,320
Speaker 1: Luke. Wow, that last one was disturbing. I think we're

2916
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna left that one on the cutting room for the

2917
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:33,000
Speaker 1: North Korean sensors. Let that one through.

2918
02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they give up. They basically gave up.

2919
02:11:35,640 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for watching our show though. That's the ship

2920
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 2: of the week. By the way, Morning Coombat at gmail

2921
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:44,080
Speaker 2: dot com is the email addresser for this Friday. How

2922
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 2: about some fan subs, some dead wrongs, whatever you want.

2923
02:11:46,720 --> 02:11:49,360
Speaker 1: Hey, By the way, you got Figgy versus pyotr Yan

2924
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:51,320
Speaker 1: on this Saturday early in the morning.

2925
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:55,240
Speaker 2: And Tabitha Ricci and the Cocaine against uh Jan Shanon.

2926
02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 1: I think that's oh. And then also, I don't know

2927
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 1: how to pronounce her name anymore, but Wang Kong.

2928
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:04,000
Speaker 2: Yes is okay, I'm down with that. Morningcombat dot store

2929
02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:06,360
Speaker 2: is your home for merch. By the way, I hear

2930
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:08,520
Speaker 2: here it might still might be. We'll find out though.

2931
02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:10,680
Speaker 1: Two classic dot com slash Combat with a K.

2932
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 2: Please do that, guys. It fits great, it looks great,

2933
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:16,880
Speaker 2: it's not flashy colors. You'll fit in society only you'll

2934
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:19,880
Speaker 2: actually be showing off the work you've been doing rather

2935
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 2: than hiding it because you're wearing the wrong size and

2936
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:23,600
Speaker 2: the wrong material on that ass.

2937
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's wrap it up. Bro, What do

2938
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:30,640
Speaker 1: you do pick a booger? If I oh, yeah, I'll

2939
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 1: pick a booger and flick it.

2940
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:34,240
Speaker 2: That's all we got. Long Island look, thank you for

2941
02:12:34,360 --> 02:12:37,440
Speaker 2: being you, and we'll see you Friday, eleven a m.

2942
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:40,320
Speaker 2: Eastern On the YouTube's thank you so Much, We're out

2943
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:40,560
Speaker 2: of here.

2944
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:41,040
Speaker 3: Bye,