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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite guys. It's Phil Simms. Two

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl championships, fifteen years with the Giants. He had

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Speaker 1: a coach that was difficult. You know I've said today

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Speaker 1: is every year I go out and pick a team

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Speaker 1: that's my double my win total team. So this year

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Speaker 1: it was New England because I loved Rabel and had

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Speaker 1: a lot of free agent money. And the year before

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Speaker 1: it was well, it was Washington. I got pretty lucky

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Speaker 1: on that right because I love Jayden Daniels at LSU.

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Speaker 1: And then before that it was the Rams that it

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Speaker 1: was the Viking. So I said, the minute you hired Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they need a right tackle probably in a

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Speaker 1: receiver tied and everybody needs another corner in the whole

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Speaker 1: world except the Seahawks. I think they're gonna win twelve games.

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Speaker 1: Eleven twelve games. Phil Simms probably chuckling at that, but

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Speaker 1: I think you know, they let seven to one score losses.

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Speaker 1: They were hell, they let Denver by ten, they let

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Speaker 1: the Bears by ten. They let the Lions by ten

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. So do I sound like a

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Speaker 1: lunatic when I said I think they can win the

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Speaker 1: division next year? I think I don't think they're that

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Speaker 1: far away, even though they had a bad record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you talking during the break and I

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Speaker 3: got to tell you, I think you were spot on.

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Speaker 4: You kind of fired me up.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I'm more excited about the Giants down

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Speaker 3: than I was all last year.

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Speaker 4: So it's great, But you're right, they listen, they have

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's almost it's bad that he drafted, got

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Speaker 3: drafted as lady as he did. Should have been drafted

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Speaker 3: before his number came up. But he played really well.

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Speaker 3: And now they got a quarterback, and they got John Harball,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and they got a defensive line that can

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Speaker 3: get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Those are my two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, people, I was told this and

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Speaker 1: told us by GMS through the years. You're not hiring

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Speaker 1: a scheme guy. You got to hire a CEO. If

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Speaker 1: he's good with schemes like Kyle Shanahan, that's a bonus.

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Speaker 1: You're hiring a CEO. You tell me, based on your career.

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Speaker 1: Can one guy, John Harbaugh, can one guy change the culture?

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Speaker 3: Not even a question. It's easy to answer. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I had it with Bill Parcells. He was the culture.

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Speaker 3: He set the table every day what he wanted, what

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Speaker 3: he demanded. And then I had this coach, Dan Reeves,

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Speaker 3: and I wondered about him. Were at first meeting we have.

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Speaker 3: He comes into the room, the team is there, he

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Speaker 3: puts his notepad down on the electure and he's of

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Speaker 3: course looking great.

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Speaker 4: The hair's perfect, he's got the tie on.

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Speaker 3: He looks out over us and he goes, sit up straight,

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Speaker 3: put your feet on the floor, and take.

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Speaker 4: Those damn hats off.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there and he did it with a

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Speaker 4: And I turned to bart Oates and I went, we're

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Speaker 3: And we did, and because now we know who's in charge,

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Speaker 3: and we got to listen and do what he says.

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Speaker 3: And to me, that's just a small part. These head

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Speaker 3: And what do you think every player, they've heard the

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Speaker 3: excited to hear that message, and so it changes him

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Speaker 4: I think for the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: How are you sure Jackson Darks the guy? He's in

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Speaker 1: that tent constantly, Phil, how do you understand that? How

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Speaker 3: little bit. But talent wise, Colin, I am one behind

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Speaker 3: him and think he's he's even more than I expected.

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Speaker 3: And I studied him really hard because under the Giants

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he's got the confidence of a guy.

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Speaker 1: The look the field, I mean he is I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: By the way, is when you were a quarterback, I

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Speaker 1: mean you had great players around you. You weren't the

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Speaker 1: most talented New York Giant, Lawrence Taylor, those kind of

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Speaker 1: level players. What is the secret for a young you

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Speaker 1: come into the league and you're a kid and you

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Speaker 1: got older players than you. What's the secret to being

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, for me, it was do your job

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Speaker 3: and shut up, you know, because it just it was

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Speaker 3: different for Jackson Dart his personality. You know, I kind

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Speaker 3: of thought, man, when it comes here, is it really

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Speaker 3: worked big time. The players love him. He's got a

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Speaker 3: you know, an infectious energy to him to how he

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Speaker 3: You know, I see all these videos and I know

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Speaker 3: it's just a different world. He's always dancing and they're

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Speaker 3: doing all this stuff. And yeah, he's got it. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's got the personality that you want in a professional quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised? Let's go to Buffalo? Were you? Were

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Speaker 1: you surplies? They let Sean McDermott go eight playoff wins.

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Speaker 1: A lot of wins. Playoff wins are gold bars. They're

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Speaker 1: hard to get parcels. Playoff records barely above five hundred.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to win in the playoffs. He won eight

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Speaker 1: playoff games. You shocked they let him go?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I was. I was shocked.

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Speaker 3: You know, listen, there's you know, before the year started,

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Speaker 3: I'll just do it this way. I looked at their roster,

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Speaker 3: and you do this too, and I think you do

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Speaker 3: a really good job at it. I looked at it

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Speaker 3: and go, why are people saying this is a super

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Speaker 3: Bowl roster? I don't get it. You know, as he

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Speaker 3: wants these teams and you know, the a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Denver might be a little different, but big powerful teams

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Speaker 3: seemed to be to me what I would want and

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Speaker 3: give you a better chance of winning playoff games going

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl. But I was surprised that he

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Speaker 3: they let him go. But what they're gonna have coming in,

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Speaker 3: whoever it is again, it's a new voice, it's a

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Speaker 3: new way, and maybe that's all they need is something

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Speaker 1: The you know, it's interesting with we've got Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: against Mike Vrabel and I look at the pet I

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Speaker 1: look at the Patriots, Phille I got the same owner

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Speaker 1: Brady had Drake. Drake may moves more than Brady, but

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Speaker 1: not as good in the pocket yet as Tom was.

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Speaker 1: Probably a better mover. And Vrabel to me, looks like

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Speaker 1: a more current Belichick, where he's a little more player friendly,

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Speaker 1: New England and I told my friend Nick Wrt this yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Drake Maye, Josh McDaniel, that's the obstacle. Do you feel

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I feel high on Mike Grabel. Look

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Speaker 3: you're talking about Sean Payton and Mike Rabel. You talk

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Speaker 4: They got it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Mike Brabel, I was down in Tennessee

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget this.

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Speaker 3: We're just talking and we're kind of talking about what

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Speaker 3: we're doing right now, and he goes, Phil, one thing

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Speaker 3: I've learned in this league. I thought it was all

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Speaker 3: It's connecting with the players. And he changed why he

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Speaker 3: was at Tennessee and he's carried that over to New England.

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Speaker 3: I mean, during every time they score, something goes well,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's hugging the players and right you know,

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Speaker 3: it gives them energy. They want that recognition that they

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Speaker 3: did something well. And it's really fun to watch and

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Speaker 3: to see these two playing a game. I kind of

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Speaker 3: know what Brabel's gonna do. But Sean Payton, man your guests,

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Speaker 3: is as good as anybody what he's going to do

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Speaker 1: But Jared Stidham, So I'm watching Seattle in the rams

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Speaker 1: and this doesn't happen very often, Phil, Maybe about once

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Speaker 1: a decade you get a team where they've got a

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Speaker 1: don't miss draft picks for several years. And it's Seattle.

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Speaker 1: And I've been saying this all year with Seattle. If

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Speaker 1: you turn the sound down, no bias just watched them.

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Speaker 1: They look longer and faster, just going one hundred. Their

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Speaker 1: special teams are fast. They don't have any holes. And

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're going to win the Super Bowl, but

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Speaker 1: you did get that. And by the way, the last

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Speaker 1: team like this may have been Pete Carrol Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: Seahawks where you got Russell was on a rookie deal

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Speaker 1: sixth round. And I look at Seattle and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they don't look like anybody else. Doesn't mean they're the

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Speaker 1: best team in your in your career, how do you

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Speaker 1: beat teams because you didn't have the best team every time?

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Speaker 1: How do you beat a team? And I think Sean

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Speaker 1: McVay looks at this and goes, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Seattle's better on defense and special teams. I think

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Speaker 3: I don't think he'll He'll retire. I don't you know

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Speaker 3: one thing we're showing a highlight. Right there, there's another

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Speaker 3: perfect pass spiral down the field. It's beautiful. And man,

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Speaker 4: Colin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about training camp and all those

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Speaker 4: It's great. You want me to go out there and

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Speaker 4: throw more today. Wow, Okay, that's what I love to do. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I think he enjoys the game too much. I think

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Speaker 3: last week, him and Caleb Williams. Did they know it

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Speaker 3: over the place at Stafford. It's just very few guys

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Speaker 1: I said that play that Caleb made last week, I said,

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Speaker 3: I loved him coming out and after his rookie year,

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Speaker 4: Who he is.

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Speaker 3: Let's see, he's big, strong, mobile, He's got a very

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Speaker 4: And yes, you know there's certain things.

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Speaker 3: know he's never going to be sixty five. Well, he

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Speaker 4: And winning and losing for that football team.

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Speaker 1: In my eyes, No, I yeah, I just there's just

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Speaker 3: Let me just say this about Caleb. There's no limit

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Speaker 4: If you know.

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Speaker 1: Were you good in cold weather? Giants got a lot

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Speaker 1: Fifteen seasons with the New York Giants, two Super Bowls,

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Speaker 3: Well it was our best week, so it was well,

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Speaker 4: Our big rival name was.

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Speaker 1: That's wrecks.

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Speaker 4: Oh it was Rex all right. He did a great

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Speaker 1: Phil, great seeing you again.

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Speaker 4: All right, Colin, thanks for having me on man.

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Speaker 1: You bet Phil Simms all right, he's fired up for

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Speaker 7: This is the headline news, Jarrett Stidham. Does that name

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Speaker 7: He's taken a couple of deal downs in the last

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Speaker 4: He was a teammate of mine.

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Speaker 8: He he's a great friend of mine, and he is

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when Peyton took the job. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think very early on, Sean Payton felt like, if

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Speaker 1: win now, but I think they'll be fine. I really,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a close fine. I think he'll go.

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Speaker 1: If he went fifteen for twenty three for one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty yards and a touchdown pass and one pick, is.

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Speaker 6: That going to get it done?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But he's not bow Knicks. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be the root cause for

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Speaker 1: the issues, you know. I think I also wonder. I

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Speaker 1: mean again, he knows the playbook, so you can run everything.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't move quite like nickt he does. He moves

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Speaker 1: a little. But I think the bon Knicks athletic ability

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Speaker 1: is a real component to Denver's. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: last week first half he was running all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So I would favor New England in this game. If

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Speaker 1: bon Nicks played, I'd probably take Denver close. I'll now

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Speaker 1: take New England close.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The markets don't know really how to react to this change,

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Speaker 7: this downgrade. I'm seeing some people say as many as

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Speaker 7: eight points a swing from bow Knicks. The market's settled

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Speaker 7: around six and a half. Wow, it's just tough to Gates.

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Speaker 7: The guy hasn't thrown a pass in two seasons.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you that bo Nicks is worth

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Speaker 1: a touchdown? For all the critics bow Knicks over a

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Speaker 1: guy that Sean Payton thinks is pretty talented.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, listen, if it was Mac Jones, obviously

460
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Speaker 7: wouldn't be a.

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Speaker 6: Six point down. Great, because Jones is an established, credible quarterback.

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Speaker 7: This is a total mystery. I mean, Jared Sidham could

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Speaker 7: come out and throw for two fifty. I mean I

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Speaker 7: would be surprised.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: But you made a good point that Christian Gonzalez in

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Speaker 7: this Patriots defense has shown well against Stroud and Herbert

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Speaker 7: in the first two rounds. Their run defense is the

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Speaker 7: real problem. Yeah, nobody can get through them with Milton

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Speaker 7: Denver doesn't. Denver's run game is spotty. I think New

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Speaker 7: England's corners are second to Seattle of the team. Well,

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Speaker 7: I mean, Patrick's Tartans good. He hadn't had the greatest year,

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Speaker 7: a good year, it feels like to me. But New

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Speaker 7: England's New England's secondary, their corners are I mean it.

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Speaker 7: It reminds me a lot of Vrabel and Tennessee and

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Speaker 7: Belichick in New England. A lot of contact, a lot

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Speaker 7: of physicality, ball in the air. I think New England's

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Speaker 7: secondary is really good. I just you know, it's tough

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Speaker 7: to pick the Broncos in this spot, just because you

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Speaker 7: don't know what you're getting from Sinnam. They're at home. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: what is that homefield is worth? What two points go

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Speaker 7: on two and a half this year?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Well, she should be a good game. Let's move on

485
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Speaker 7: to ooh, some drama with a quarterback and his name

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Speaker 7: is Baker Mayfield. Now, Kevin Stefanski was hired by the

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Speaker 7: Falcons this week, and the media, you know in Atlanta's

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Speaker 7: very excited and they're starting to dig into what happened

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Speaker 7: with Stefanski in Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: Coudd he have in Cleveland Colin Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 7: So one of the Falcons beat writers said that Stefanski

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Speaker 7: dealt with a dumpster fire. His words situation in Cleveland.

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Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield, you know, because this is what he does,

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Speaker 7: shined in well, not so fast. I wouldn't quite call

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Speaker 7: it that, And then of course Baker Mayfield had to

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Speaker 7: make it personal.

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Speaker 6: I was shipped off like a piece of garbage.

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Speaker 7: And I'm still waiting for the text or call from you, Stefanski.

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Speaker 7: Look forward to seeing you twice a year in the division.

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Speaker 7: Now it gets better, Joe Thomas, the legendary Cleveland offensive lineman.

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Speaker 7: He responded, Hey, uh, communication is a two way street.

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Speaker 6: Baker.

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Speaker 7: You know there's no laws against you sending Stefanski something

504
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Speaker 7: saying hey man, great working with you after you got traded.

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Speaker 6: So here we go off season squabble, very NBA.

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Speaker 1: Of these guys to get Baker's got a chip on

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Speaker 1: bow shoulders. I mean that's who he is. He often

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Speaker 1: plays better with that.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's when when you let go of an employee,

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Speaker 1: people move on. I think Baker has had a very

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Speaker 1: redeemable career. I think Stefanski's really smart. But Baker, you know,

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Speaker 1: Baker did lead them to a playoff win, so let's

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was a dumpster fire in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I thought he needed to grow up a little. But

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Speaker 1: I mean the Cleveland media also poked him in the

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Speaker 1: ribs a lot. So I look at I look at Baker.

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Speaker 1: Baker was a lot better in Cleveland that Darnold was

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Speaker 1: with the Jets. So I don't I don't classify it

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Speaker 1: as a disaster. If you win a playoff game over

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Speaker 1: the Steelers as a Browns quarterback, that is not a

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Speaker 1: dumpster fire. I think that's way over the top.

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Speaker 7: Let's quickly remember the game Baker won in the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: He was solid against the Steelers two under sixty three yards,

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Speaker 7: three touchdowns, but but Cleveland jumped to a twenty eight

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Speaker 7: nothing lead in the first quarter because Ben Roethlisberger was

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Speaker 7: a disaster for turnovers, and you know he threw I mean,

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Speaker 7: it was a crazy game. It's weird, Collin our staff

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Speaker 7: here at the Herd. Some guys here in LA they

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Speaker 7: seem to think maybe Stefanski's not that great of a coach.

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Speaker 7: I think you and I are more in lockstep. You

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Speaker 7: don't win Coach of the Year and get to the

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Speaker 7: playoffs twice with the Browns, Okay, if you're not a

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Speaker 7: pretty damn good coach, I'm higher on Stefanski the most.

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Speaker 6: I think you're with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not putting him in McVay shanny class, but

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Speaker 1: I know I think Stefanski is a coach and Baker

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Speaker 1: is a quarterback. Are similar. Stefanski needs the right personnel

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Speaker 1: to win, and Baker needs the right coach to win.

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Speaker 1: Baker was good with LeAnn Coleman, Dave Canalis and Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't good this year. Baker's not good enough to

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Speaker 1: overcome average coordinator and coaching. And I don't think Stefanski's

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Speaker 1: McVeigh where he could turn around any mess. I think

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Speaker 1: Stefanski needs things to work in his favor. I think

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Speaker 1: they're both very good, Baker and Stefanski. And I don't

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Speaker 1: categorize it as a dumpster fire at all. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: not how I view that, right, just it was a

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Speaker 1: I always said it's turbulent. Baker plays with a chip.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's a worn down city that's just sometimes miserable sometimes.

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Speaker 6: So remember overcoming ownership and getting to the playoffs twice.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I think Stefanski's a pretty damn good coach.

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Speaker 7: I will remind people they were headed toward disaster. He

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Speaker 7: plucks Joe Flacco off of his sofa and guides Flacco

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Speaker 7: to the playoffs. That's right, Okay, I know they got

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Speaker 7: stopped by the Texans, but you still got to the postseason.

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Speaker 6: That's got to be worth something. Final story is in

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Speaker 6: the NBA where my New York Knicks a bit of

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Speaker 6: a tail spin.

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Speaker 1: COLU.

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Speaker 7: Remember they won the NBA Cup, you know, and everybody

561
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Speaker 7: was geeked. And I'm talking champions or going to the finals.

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Speaker 7: They've lost nine of eleven since they were on top

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Speaker 7: of the world. And they lost on Martin Luther King Day.

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Speaker 7: They were down by thirty to the MAVs. Yes, the MAVs.

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Speaker 7: According to a report, Jalen Brunson called a player's only

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Speaker 7: meeting to address some things. Carl Anthony Towns is being

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Speaker 7: booed lustily.

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Speaker 6: They won him shipped FedEx out of New York tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Fans are done with his act. I'm just hoping this

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Speaker 7: is just a post holiday malaise that the Knicks are

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Speaker 7: going through.

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Speaker 6: They know they're the best in the East.

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Speaker 7: They fall into third behind Detroit and Boston in the standings,

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Speaker 7: but I still think this is the team to beat

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Speaker 7: in the East.

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Speaker 6: I'm just curious.

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Speaker 7: Do you think if this continues, Karl Anthony Towns maybe

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Speaker 7: ends up getting traded.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they can get Yanna, you're going from

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Speaker 6: the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Tibbs was a culture guy. Mike Brown brings in a

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Speaker 1: different sensibility totally, so Tibbs has really got his own ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's difficult. I think it takes time.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't freak out. They are you know, they're not

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Speaker 1: a great defensive team. They're struggling to defend the three.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine. You can't judge NBA teams

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Speaker 1: in January. I think it takes it takes time. They

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Speaker 1: may have to make a tweak at the deadline. I

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Speaker 1: think Detroit and the Knicks. I'm Philadelphia's interesting team. I

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Speaker 1: love their back court, but I think they'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: I just think you got a different, totally different kind

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Speaker 1: of coach.

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Speaker 6: Let me quickly note they play the Nets tonight.

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Speaker 7: If the Knicks somehow lose this game, I think you

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Speaker 7: go to like Defcon three and we start workshopping Carl

596
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Speaker 7: Anthony Towns trades because this is they are not going

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Speaker 7: to The owner came out recently and was like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: we gotta win a championship. We gotta go to the finals.

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Speaker 7: I mean there's some pressure on the Knicks right now.

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Speaker 6: Colin.

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Speaker 7: It's similar to the NFL where it was like, hey,

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Speaker 7: no Burrough, no Lamar, no Mahomes, Hey Josh Allen, can

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Speaker 7: you get us to the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 6: They fail? Coach fired. I know the Knicks just fired TIBs.

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Speaker 6: But this is the season. The Knicks have to break

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Speaker 6: through a these Jay McLellan news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.

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Speaker 8: News.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, head coach of the Chicago Bears, step to

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Speaker 1: the mic today regarding year one as coach of Chicago.

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Speaker 2: That next, be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 2: Herd Weekdays and Noone Eastern non a em Pacific on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's on the show this week, stopping by Friday

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Speaker 1: like he's a regular. Got him in the rotation. Rams Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: That is.

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Speaker 1: That is gonna be good. Speaking of good, we talked

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Speaker 1: about this earlier. I actually think if you size that

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Speaker 1: up right now, and I said, who are the best

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Speaker 1: teams at the end of the year in the NFC?

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think you'd probably say Seahawks one,

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Speaker 1: Rams two, Chicago Bears three. Chicago played really good football,

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Speaker 1: and I I mean, how excited do you have to be?

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson says all the right stuff. He was asked

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Speaker 1: this morning about, you know, the success of season one.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there is no building off of this. We go

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Speaker 9: back to square one. We're back at the bottom again.

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Speaker 9: And that's that's really all thirty two teams. If you

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Speaker 9: feel otherwise, you're probably missing the missing the big picture.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're back at We got to start from scratch.

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Speaker 9: We've got to start from the fundamentals. And so I

632
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Speaker 9: think more than anything else, they're going to know what

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Speaker 9: they're getting themselves into.

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Speaker 4: And yet we got to dig a little bit deeper.

635
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Speaker 4: We got to work a little bit harder.

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Speaker 9: We got to give a little bit more if we

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Speaker 9: want to take this thing over the top.

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Speaker 1: You know, we spend so much time, you know, people

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Speaker 1: do fans do you know criticizing players. Caleb Williams didn't

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Speaker 1: get bigger and stronger and faster, Yet he cut his

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Speaker 1: sacks by sixty percent. His passer rating, passing touchdowns, rushing touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: passing yards, total offense lasts six. Well, Caleb Williams didn't change.

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Speaker 1: What changed with Caleb Williams his boss. Here's Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: talking about Caleb's growth.

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Speaker 9: The things that we highlighted for Caleb to start the season,

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Speaker 9: I did think they improved as the season went along.

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Speaker 9: You know, we revamped the footwork a little bit last spring,

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Speaker 9: and I think the comfort level grew from that. He

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Speaker 9: certainly got more comfortable with the concepts that we were

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Speaker 9: running over the course of the season. That's something that

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Speaker 9: we can build upon, and yet there's still a lot

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Speaker 9: more that we can push through in that regard, and

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Speaker 9: so I'm really encouraged about the steps he took this year.

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Speaker 9: I'm Caleb williams number one believer, so.

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Speaker 1: Is Phil Simms. And the other thing when you say

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Speaker 1: that we got to work in his footwork, Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: with six Super Bowls in his pocket, would go on

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Speaker 1: vacation with footballs called teammates and work on as at work.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like you forget sometimes football, basketball, They're

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Speaker 1: all like golf. You gotta work on that four iron.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Greg Norman or Tiger Wood's

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Speaker 1: in your prime. You got to work at it every

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Speaker 1: day and I love what Ben Johnson saying, we're back

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Speaker 1: to the bottom. And you know, Julian Edelman told me

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Speaker 1: this once. It was interesting. He said, every single Patriot team,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, was different. Every camp was different.

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Speaker 1: Some teams were a little young in spots, some teams

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Speaker 1: were a little old. He told me. One of the years,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the Alana year they won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He goes, it was no fun. I think

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Speaker 1: that was. It was one of the years. May have

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Speaker 1: been a losing super Bowl year. It may have been

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Speaker 1: the year they lost to Philly. My battle and I

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Speaker 1: think it's the year they lost to Philly and Nick

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Speaker 1: Foles and the one Edelman said that that that year

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Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of fun. And so I like, I

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Speaker 1: mean again, you're gonna have twelve new players. Remember when

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Speaker 1: Tampa won the Super Bowl was Brady. They brought every back,

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Speaker 1: and we were like, I don't know if that's what

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Speaker 1: you want to do. You don't want to bring everybody back.

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Speaker 1: You just want a new chemistry. You want to shake

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Speaker 1: things up. People get a little bit comfortable, everybody makes

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Speaker 1: a little more. Everybody wants a new contract. So when

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Speaker 1: you say you know Caleb. It's funny. I've running to

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Speaker 1: people in Chicago. Boy, you're hard on Caleb, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you be. Brady was hard on Brady, Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning was hard on himself. Mahomes is hard on Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: If you can't handle media, get out of the business. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these great athletes are hard on themselves. But

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Speaker 1: I love what Ben Johnson says. We're back to ground zero,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually not a cliche. It's like you really are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Detroit unbeatable disaster, Washington Conference championship disaster. I

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Speaker 1: mean seriously, Oh, Denver and cap Hell playoffs, Oh Cloud nine.

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Speaker 1: Bnick's hurt? What what are we doing? Jarret's that I'm

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Speaker 1: starting like you just there are no There are no

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Speaker 1: even when you're in the middle of a dynasty, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, let's go d No, Tyreek Hill still one.

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Speaker 1: Now you think you've solved it, and now it's worse

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Speaker 1: now your old line's all banged up. Every year is

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Speaker 1: your starting ground zero. But I like starting ground zero

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Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and those skill players and that all life.

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Speaker 1: It's a good ground zero to start from. It's good

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Speaker 1: place to start from. Foundations see them on