1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Tuesday edition 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: of the program. Final hour of the show. We bring 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: in now our buddy Annie McCarthy, who is doing an 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: incredible job breaking down so much of the legal related 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: issues all around the absurdity of classified documents and beyond. 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Fox News contributor, former federal prosecutor at the Southern District 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: of New York. He spent over twenty years there, wrote 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: a book, Ball of Collusion, The plots are rigging election 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: and destroy a presidency. And like me, he also had 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Sorry Buffalo fans and also fans of the Dallas Cowboys. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: You had a Bill's Cowboys super Bowl that went up 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: in smoke on Sunday as well. I did, Clay, And 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, I feel terrible about this because I hate 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: both teams. I just you know, but I thought they 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: were I thought they were getting hot at the right time. 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: So who knows. Do you think before we get into 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: serious stuff, do you think Tom raid he's gonna retire 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: or do you think he'll come back? No? I think 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: he's I think he's going to play another year. I 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: think he could still he'd have to be like in 23 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: the right offense, right, um, because he could still really 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: throw the ball. He's not you know, he's not what 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: he used to be. But it's like that's like saying 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: like each roo's only hitting three oh five, you know, 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's still really pretty good. I think I 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: think he's gonna end up down in Miami where Bucks 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: been in part of the year. Now. I think he's 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: going to be another Miami and more Miami people. I 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: think he's gonna play for the Dolphins. That's my prediction 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: to Brady. Yeah, a lot of reports about that today 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: that he's like, look, you're checking out schools and stuff 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: like that. So we'll see, Yeah, we'll see. All right, 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: So let's dive into Mike Pennce today comes out and 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: says he's got classified documents. The continued fallout. Five different 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: times Joe Biden has been caught with classified documents. What's 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: your take on the big picture question here of whether 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: anybody's gonna get charged with anything related to these classified documents. 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's going to get charged, but if 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: like I think we discussed before. If you would ask 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: me that question like two and a half weeks ago, 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, Trump was one hundred percent 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: going to be charged, Yeah, with do you think anyone 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: will be? But my other I mean, my other big 46 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: picture impression. I couldn't help this, but I'm I'm reminded. 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: I guess this is because I'm getting too old, but 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm reminded of the Clinton Lynsky stuff where the Democrats 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: refrain throughout those years, was everybody does it? And I'm like, well, no, 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: everybody doesn't have sex with interns in the White House, 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: but maybe everybody does do this. I don't It's starting 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: to look that way, isn't it. Andy. You know, you 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: may have seen yesterday there was an arrest of a 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: former top FBI official who oversaw counterintelligence in New York City. 55 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys ever crossed paths in 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: your day, but Charles McGonagall facing charges of money laundering. 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: I think, among others, that he took money from a 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: former Albanian intelligence employee and a representative of the Russian 59 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A lot of people see this and 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: they say so one of the guys, who if you 61 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: were involved at that level of counterintelligence in New York City, 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: the FBI office in New York City, you certainly were 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: aware of the Trump Russia collusion investigations and things going 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: on there. So somebody who would have been overseeing the 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: fake Russia collusion investigation of Trump has now been charged 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: with colluding with Russians to evade US money laundering loss. Yeah, 67 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, And Buck I was reminded you guys 68 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: were kind enough to mention my book in the intro. 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: I wrote a lot in the book about Derra Pasca, 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: including the fact that you know, number one, the FBI 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: tried to flip him in was it the twenty sixteen 72 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: before the Trump stuff ever got rolling, And that was 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: the reason they were dealing with Steel at the time, 74 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: because Steele was working for Tera Pasca, where all the 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: FBI was taking information from him that ended up in 76 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: the Steele docier, which I thought, in and of itself 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: was remarkable. And you know, the funny thing with dearra 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: Pasca was apparently the Bureau. One of the reasons the 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: Bureau soured on the whole idea of turning him is 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: when he sat down with them. They pitched him on 81 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: this on the Trump poutin conspiracy, and he was like, 82 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: what are you talking about this? No, Trump putin conspiracy, 83 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: which was apparently that was not what the party line 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: was at the time. But I'm just I can't help 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible for the FBI, but I can't 86 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: help but be amused by, you know, the way these guys, 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, seemed to change on a dime. So like, 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, first they're trying to flip Derera Pasca, then 89 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: there executing Deak Posca. Then the head of the Foreign 90 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: counter Intelligence in New York is working for Derek Pasca. 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: It makes you dizzy, doesn't It is the FBI something 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: that we could dramatically reform in a meaningful way, Andy, 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people ask me this all 94 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the time, and I know some people in the rivals say, oh, 95 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: we got to tear it down to the studs and 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: start anew. Well, if you're gonna have federal laws, you've 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: got you're gonna have a federal law enforcement agency, so 98 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, remolding the f You know, people think, oh, 99 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: we have a DNI and we had NCTC and all 100 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: these things, you know, we didn't need all that, right, 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: you're just creating more bureaucracy to paper over the failures 102 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: of the bureaucracy you had before. Could we do something 103 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: within the FBI? I mean, can there be a house 104 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: cleaning that that would be meaningful? I think there could 105 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: buck if they were serious about it, like if they 106 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: really went about it in a Church Committee type style. 107 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a big fan of the outcomes 108 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: of the Church Committee, but like the dry think force 109 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: behind it, those spying scandals and the you know, the 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: sixties into the eighties, those were good reasons to have 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: that um committee. And if they you know, I think, 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: you know, if you throw out the extremes of both sides, 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: like there's one side on the left that wants to 114 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: be fund all police and really doesn't believe in prosecution 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: at all, and then there's people on the right who 116 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I think unrealistically think that we could get on without 117 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: a federal police force. I just think the way society is, 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: in the way the law is now, you have to 119 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: have a federal police force. It doesn't have to be 120 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: the FBI, but we have to have one. So if 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: you toss those people aside, I think there's enough people 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: in the in the broad middle on both sides who 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: have gripes about the current FBI, and maybe that's the 124 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: makings that people could if we still have a capability 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: in Washington of people like like being grown ups with 126 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: respect to a problem that everybody understands as a problem. 127 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean my own view of it. You and I, 128 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: I think have talked about this before. I think the 129 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Bureau after nine to eleven became too much of an 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: intelligence agency and it started to be an intelligence agency 131 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: with a police sideline. And they're very you know, I 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: think intelligence work is very important. Police work is very important, 133 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: but they're very different. And if you become an intelligence agency, 134 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: it really damages your dedication to civil rights, which police 135 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: have to keep like in the front of their minds. 136 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's what's really hurt the FBI. I 137 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: would take their counter intelligence mission away from them. Andy, 138 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: I want you to take me into what a search 139 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's home would have required, at least in 140 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: your mind, from a sort of procedural mechanics perspective. It's 141 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: one thing when you know Marlago, they show up at 142 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: former President Trump's home and they raid that but for 143 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: a sitting president to be essentially searched by his own 144 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: Department of Justice's FBI is truly unprecedented. Is that something 145 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that Merrick Garland signs off on? Is that something that 146 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: is threatened if the Biden regime does not comply? Like who? 147 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: I just don't even understand how that ends up happening. 148 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: What do you think the mechanics and the procedures behind 149 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: the scenes were like for this, Clay, I think that 150 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: the big thing was Biden signing off on it, because 151 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: you're quite right, you know, this is President Trump had 152 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: a very exalted status because he's a former president, which 153 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: is a big deal, but it doesn't have any political power, right, 154 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: whereas the incumbent president is the only guy. I mean, 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, Justice Scalia taught us all this like thirty 156 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: years ago, right or forty years ago. The only person 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: with power in the executive branch is the president. Everybody else, 158 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: including the Attorney General, and the executive branch is a 159 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: delegate who exercises the president's power at the president's pleasure, 160 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: and that includes the Special counsel. Like they try to 161 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: tell you they're getting an independent prosecutor, and there's no 162 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: independent prosecutor. In the United States prosecutions and executive function, 163 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: everybody answers to the president, So they couldn't have done 164 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: this without Biden's sign off. It would have been insubordinate. 165 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a big part of the 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: reason why they didn't get a search warrant, which they 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: certainly had legal grounds for, and why they cut a 168 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: deal with Biden's lawyers that they were able to accompany 169 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: the FBI as they did the search, which of course 170 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen in Trump's case. So I think the mechanics 171 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: of this is Biden has to sign off on it, 172 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: and then there's probably some limits that are negotiated about 173 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: what they're allowed to look at or where they're allowed 174 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: to and then the lawyers went along with them as 175 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: they went from from room to room in the house. Andy, 176 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: So this basically goes where in your mind, I mean, 177 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: how does all this end up? I mean, you saw 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: Mike Pennce has classified documents at home too. This has 179 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: crossed over into crazytown. Yeah, So I think that's a 180 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: big part of why nothing's going to happen with this, 181 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: because I think people are starting to think that, you know, 182 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: if we now started to look at like, listen to 183 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: what Biden's excuses here, right, he wants you to believe 184 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: that it was sloppy AIDS who packed up his stuff 185 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: and sent it to you know, and it turned out 186 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that classified information ended up in there, as if the 187 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: AIDS had security clearances, right, as if the AIDS when 188 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: he was a senator went into the skip with him, 189 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: and are the ones who stole the document? You know. 190 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's ridiculous, But I think this is 191 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: such a culture of carelessness that if weed to search 192 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, who knows what we would find. 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: And everybody kind of realizes that. So I think the 194 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: Democrats badly want to prosecute Trump. Right, So if it 195 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: was just Trump who had this problem, there'd be a 196 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: very high chance that he'd be indicted. But now that 197 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: it looks like Biden has it and Pence has it, 198 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: and who knows, what will you know, who's the next 199 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: person we'll hear about. I don't think they're gonna I 200 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to get indicted. And I wonder 201 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: if Pence having these documents is going to lessen the 202 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the House to 203 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: start asking a lot of aggressive questions, because I really 204 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: think that's the only way we're going to find out 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: anything here. That these special counsels are there to just say, 206 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: you know, we're doing our investigation. We can't comment. So 207 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing is supposed to go into a black hole. 208 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: Either the Republicans in the House use their subpoena power 209 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: and conduct hearings. That's the only way we're going to 210 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: find out anything. And I just wonder if they'll do 211 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: that at this point. And you mentioned earlier and Buck 212 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: and I both have this opinion. Now my opinion's changed. 213 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I thought they would charge Trump over the classified documents. 214 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: I now think I agree with you that they will not. 215 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: I wonder if this classified documents scandal is becoming so 216 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: all encompassing that it actually is going to make it 217 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: harder for the Department of Justice to charge Trump for anything. 218 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: January sixth they related. Now, I presume you would think 219 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: those were harder charges to bring in the first place. 220 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: But do you think this overall mushroom cloud of incompetence 221 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: that sort of is surrounding everything now is actually making 222 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: it far less likely than anything January sixth related will 223 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: also be brought against President Trump. That's a really interesting question. 224 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that. I thought up until now 225 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: that they look at January sixth and the class the 226 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: Moro Lago documents as like two separate boxes that don't 227 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: really have much to do with each other. Although I 228 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: do think that if they had found at Mara Lago 229 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: any documents that were incriminating with respect to the Capital Riot, 230 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: they would certainly have used them. But I thought they 231 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: were looking at that as like two separate trend I 232 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: agree with you, by the way on that, but I 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: thought the charges would actually be easier on the classified 234 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: docs to prove. And so, but it's such a mushroom 235 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: cloud now that I almost feel like it implicates January sixth. 236 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: Then I was just wondering if you thought so too, 237 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: because in the mind of the public, charging anybody now 238 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: when it looks like there could be, you know, potentially 239 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like a arbitrary and 240 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: capricious application of the law. Yeah, I think there could 241 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: be something to be said to that. But I still 242 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: think that their big problem with January sixth is because 243 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: Trump is not implicated in the violence. The only way 244 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: that you make a federal case out of that is 245 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: to criminalize John Eastman's legal theory, right. And I just 246 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: think that this whole idea of going down the avenue 247 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: of making a felony into frivolous legal theories is nuts. 248 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we want to live in 249 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: that kind of a system. I know they're they're so 250 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: rapid to get Trump that they'll probably overlook all that. 251 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: But I've had hope that because they haven't done it 252 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this is like 253 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: a really bad idea. 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Today, the members of the Science and 286 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Security Board move the hands of the doomsday clock forward, largely, 287 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: though not exclusively, because of the mounting dangers in the 288 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. We move the clock forward the closest 289 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: it has ever been to midnight. It is now ninety 290 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: seconds to midnight. I guess we're supposed to be really 291 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: freaked out. Yeah, I mean ninety seconds to midnight sounds 292 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: like a movie that would be out on a streaming service. 293 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what my reaction is supposed 294 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: to be. My inclination based on Ukraine is I'm less 295 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: troubled by the danger brought to bear on the nation 296 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: and the world by Ukraine now than I was last 297 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: year at this time, right like, as we were talking 298 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: about whether or not there might be an invasion and 299 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: whether Putin might use tactical nukes and everything else, it 300 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: seems to me that this is kind of just bogged 301 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: down in trench warfare. Now, Buck so I'm less troubled, 302 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: although I know we may send tanks. There's talk that 303 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: the NATO Alliance is going to give tanks and we'll 304 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: see what happens there whether that could accelerant be act 305 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: as an accelerant. But I'm just I feel like things 306 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: are less dangerous now than they were last year. Do 307 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: they ever give the clock back like where we're actually safer? 308 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: I can assure you the doomsday clock is never at 309 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: just chill and go to the beach. It's all gonna 310 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: be fine level that I do know. I just I 311 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: don't know if they can dial it back. 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Dial pound two five 330 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: zero say Clay and Buck. Pure Talk is simply smarter 331 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: wireless play. Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines. 332 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all 333 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now 334 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: by Mike Pompeo, seventieth Secretary of State, former CIA director 335 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: under Donald Trump, his new book Never Given Inch, Fighting 336 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: for the America I Love, and Secretary Pompeo, you probably 337 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: didn't expect this would be the lead question. But given 338 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: that Mike Pence has classified documents, and given that Donald 339 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has classified documents, 340 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: do you have classified documents? Have have you gone back 341 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: through papers in the way all this what do you 342 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: make of everybody seeming to have classified documents? Oh, my goodness, 343 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: foot on a mess. No, I don't believe that anything 344 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: that's classified. Anybody who has that, they should turn it 345 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: back in what a mess. Classified documents should stay in 346 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: the places they're supposed to be. And just as importantly, 347 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: if it turns out that somehow they got where they 348 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be, you should give them back and 349 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: then you should be as transparent as you can about 350 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: what the heck it happened. By the way, you shouldn't 351 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: say you don't have regrets. If someone classified information in 352 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: my home or near my corvette, the corvette, I promise 353 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: you I wouldn't say I didn't have any regrets. I 354 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: would regret it deeply that I'd screwed up in that way. 355 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: Secretary Pompeo, it's Buck wanted to ask you about the 356 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: reports on Abrams tanks possibly being provided to Ukraine by 357 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: the US. A lot of the people you're you're speaking now, 358 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: we're listening all across the country served in a Rock 359 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan. We have a lot of veterans in this audience, 360 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of active duty military, and I hear from 361 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: them all all the frequently about their concerns that we're 362 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: getting deeper and deeper into the Ukraine fight. Where one, 363 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: do you think the Abrams tank should be provided? And 364 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: then where would you draw the line on us support 365 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: for the fight against Russia. Well, two things. I do 366 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: think that that equipment should be providing if Ukrainians can 367 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: make use of it and it can help them push 368 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: back against invasion by Vladimir Puttin, it's in America's best 369 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: interest to do so. They haven't asked for. To your point, 370 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I'm a veteran troop I served as a young soldier 371 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: and then East German Communist border. I worry about American 372 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: getting too deeply involved. But the best way to keep 373 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: American soldiers from having to fight in Europe or to 374 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: fight against Russia or China any pikes, is to make 375 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: sure that when there's an authoritarian invades a place like Ukraine, 376 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: and they haven't asked for the eighty second Airborne, they 377 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: haven't asked Promotorized Raffle Division. All they said is can 378 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: you send us stuff? We ought to provide them with 379 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: the stuff that we can that they can use, that 380 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: they can be trained on, that are actually going to 381 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: deliver against the mission set. It's the only way to 382 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: end Putin's invasion of Europe. Secretary Pompeo a lot of 383 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: talk lately about twenty twenty four, who's running, what the 384 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: time frame is to run, If you are going to 385 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: run for president, when would you announce? And are you 386 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: exploring running for president it now? So my wife and 387 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: I are praying about it, trying to figure out if 388 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: this is the next place for us to go serve. 389 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: As for timeline, we kind of think the Lake Spring 390 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: early summer is probably when she and I will have 391 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: to turn from prayer to action and we decide to 392 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: get in head to Iowa and New Hampshire's af Carolina 393 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: to make our case to the American people and if 394 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: not find where it is, will next surphy if not 395 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: an elected office. So that we're so good about Yeah, 396 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: so so far. Donald Trump is in. Does that impact 397 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: your thinking in any way given that you were a 398 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: Secretary of State and served at the CIA under him? 399 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: Or is it not even about who else is running? 400 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: From your determination now it has nothing to do with 401 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: who else. Ritns mother Prindent Biden Rins defarm at President 402 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: Trump or whomever in the end, you must come to 403 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: believe that this is the time and you have something 404 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: that you can not only offer the American people in 405 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: terms of a policy agenda that delivers good outcomes for them, 406 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: but that you have the tenacity that where the capability 407 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: to actually deliver on those promises. If you believe those 408 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: two things and it all works as a personal matter, 409 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: you have an obligation to go make the kings and then, 410 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: like the American people, start it all out being a 411 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo, former CI director of former Secretary of State 412 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: under Trump, and his book is out today, so our 413 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: timing here on Clanbuck is always as excellent. Never Given 414 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: Inch is the book, and a Secretary Pompeio, I kind 415 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: of ask you because it's always fun whenever I see 416 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: a book come out from from somebody on our side 417 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: of things, to see what the media focus is on 418 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: right away and they are drilling down into it's all 419 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: over Twitter. Oh my gosh. Have you seen Mike Pompeo's book, 420 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: which I guess in a sense this is kind of 421 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: an unintentional advertisement they're doing. Have you seen his book 422 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Never Given Inch? Because of what he says about the 423 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: murdered journalist Jamal Kashogi. Well, the secretary, what did you say? 424 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: And why are they all so upset about it? Oh goodness, 425 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they're so upset about. 426 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: The Washingtons has had an obsession about this. When I 427 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: was in office, we made very clear the murder of 428 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: Jamaica Shogi was nasty, it was heinous, which was sumptions 429 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: thirteen Saudis for what they did. But we also knew 430 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: that that person's life wasn't more important than the lives 431 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: of Americans, life of American soldiers who were protecting us, 432 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: and we weren't about to give up the partnership with 433 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was helping us keep 434 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: the American economy going, keeping American security going. You can 435 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: see what happens when you flipped the script prosen Biden said, oh, 436 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: this is a prionation. He immediately had to go on 437 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: bended knee to the Kingdom and Austin to produce just 438 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: a little more crude oil. For we did not for 439 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: a moment mistake the fact that this was a bad act. 440 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: But we did not for a moment forget the putting 441 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: America first was what really mattered most, and keeping America's 442 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: secure men, keeping a relationship, a security relationship and a 443 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the 444 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: United States Secretary Poonpeo. There's a big debate now still 445 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: ongoing about where COVID came from. You have worked in 446 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: the CIA, you certainly served as Secretary of State. Do 447 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: you think it's a settled question? What's your own opinion 448 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: about where COVID came from? Was it a lab leak 449 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: or was this a natural animal evolution of a virus. 450 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: It's largely settled question. This virus came from a laboratory 451 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: where they were working on the virus and others like 452 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: it in Wuhan, China, and it leaked accidentally from that lab, 453 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and then the Chinese Commnist Party knowingly sent that virus 454 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: across the world when it was inside of human beings 455 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: on airplane, and they killed millions of people as a 456 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: result of that decision. So what consequences should there be 457 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: on China? And what do you think about people like 458 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci who are still saying, oh, I don't believe 459 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: the lab leak theory happened. If you're correct, and I 460 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: agree with you that this was a lab leak and 461 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: that China tried to cover it up and also then 462 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: basically spread this virus all over the world. It seems 463 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: like there should be really severe consequences for them. And 464 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: it also seems like it's kind of an important discussion 465 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: to be having in the United States and not have 466 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: somebody like doctor Fauci wagging his finger and saying the 467 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: evidence doesn't support this and how dare you even raise 468 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: it as an issue. Well, the second one's easy, and 469 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: doctor Faucci got this wrong from the beginning. Seen its 470 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: debates on gain A function research is angles on the 471 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: head of a pan. The truth is he knew that 472 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: America was funding gain a function research in the laboratories 473 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: in China. I can't explain why he's chosen it that 474 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: perhaps it's money. I don't truly know, but I know this. 475 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: I know he's wrong. I know that with near certainty 476 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: that it came from that lab. You should know that 477 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: lab is still up and operating and conducting the same 478 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of research it did before this thing leaked. Who 479 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: knows when we will see that again. Which really gets 480 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: your second question is what should the penalty be how 481 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: should we respond to that. There are lots of pieces 482 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: to this. The challenge of the Chinese Commist Party far 483 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: extends beyond, far beyond the challenge of the Wuhan virus, 484 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: and we have four forty years allowed the Chinese Communist 485 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: Party to be at war with US, at least economic war, 486 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: and we've turned the energy. One of the things I'm 487 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: most proud of that I did a secondary state is 488 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: we confronted the Chinese Communist Party in a serious way. 489 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: We understood its ideology, we understood its economic motive, and 490 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: we began to put real restrictions on their capacity to 491 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: do harm to the American people. Secretary State Pompeio, appreciate 492 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: you joining us to talk to us about all this, 493 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: and people should go check out the book Never Give 494 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: an Informer Secretary Pompei I appreciate you, sir, gentlemen, thank you. 495 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm a good debt Thank you. Rising inflations out there, friends, 496 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: You see it. Things are really expensive, going to get 497 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: more expensive depending on where you are, what sector you're in. 498 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: Plus there's some big layoffs coming. Stock markets volatile. Things 499 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: are rough right now. You're a retirement account. 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Clay, 536 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: they haven't had to call an all out stop to 537 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: air traffic in a little while, so I guess the 538 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: Biden's got that going forward tomorrow. Oh man, I forgot 539 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: about that one. Sorry, you you blame me when your 540 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: flight's delayed four hours because you know, not enough diversity 541 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: and inclusion seminars have been completed by you know, the 542 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: FAA or something. But Pete Buddha Judge is out there 543 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: telling everybody. Remember, he's transportation secret I think it's fair 544 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: to say the most consequential think about that term, though, 545 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: the most consequential transportation secretary in recent memory. I'm saying 546 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: he's good, but he certainly had consequences. Yeah, very much 547 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: about transportation secretaries in the past, because everything just kind 548 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: of worked and so it didn't matter. It's it's an 549 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: interesting argument. You'd have to go back quite a ways 550 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: to be able to or you have to ask a 551 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: lot of people for them to even be able to 552 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: rattle off a transportation secretary. I think. By the way, Langley, 553 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: the George HW. Bush Intelligence Center is also right next 554 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: to the Federal Highway Administration. So there's that for those 555 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: of you who've ever had a tour of CIA headquarters. 556 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even I don't know Federal Highway Administration. I 557 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: used to joke around, you know, that's that's where the 558 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: real secret stuff's actually happening. Langley was all just a front. 559 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's like many even tour you can take 560 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: a tour of the CIA. Uh, they used to do them. 561 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: They don't really do them. I don't know. They kind 562 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: of go back and forth on it. It's obviously super limited. 563 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: You basically can like press sometimes will go into the 564 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: lobby or they have portraits of the former directors, the 565 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: stars on the wall for fallen officers. But like that's it, 566 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're not you're not like hanging out with 567 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: everybody in me that you could even walk around Langley 568 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think. I know, you can tour the FBI. 569 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: I've done the FBI tour before, but that's not really 570 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: on its own camp. It's right down town. You have 571 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 1: on its own campus. They have a couple of internal 572 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: spy museums at the CIA where they have things, you know, 573 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: World War two era oss stuff and things like that. 574 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, they're very limited tours you 575 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: can do. But it's not, No, they don't. They don't bust. 576 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: It's not like the Bronx Zoo. They're not sending bus 577 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: loads of kids out there to you know, to go 578 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: check out did you get adrenaline? Rusha's working at the CIA, 579 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: like where you were like, oh, like this is because 580 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: people tend to have it. And I'll say this, people 581 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: think when you practice a law that it's all like 582 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: a time to kill, you know, and when they think 583 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: of lawyers, and most of the time you're just like 584 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: sitting in front of a computer pushing a button, you know, 585 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: like over and over again to scroll through emails. So 586 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Very similar, yeah, very similar reality. I 587 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: used to say to people that being a CIA analyst, 588 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: which is what I was doing, and there's other jobs, 589 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: case officers, a very prominent role the people often will 590 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: think of. It's written about a lot of books and 591 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: talked about. But to be a CIA analyst, which is 592 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: what Jack Ryan was very handsome, played by Harrison Ford 593 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: and now by John Krasinski. Just putting that out. Ben 594 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: Affleck I think also played him right, Ben Affleck. So 595 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, handsome CI analysts with great hair who live 596 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: in Georgetown. That's like a thing. That's a thing that happens, 597 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's I used to tell people 598 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: it's eighty percent mundane, ten percent particularly crappy, and ten 599 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: percent legitimately cool and badassy. So eighty percent of your 600 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: hours are doing things that you're like, well, you know, 601 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: I could be like I could be working in mutual 602 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: of omaha. You know, it's paperwork, it's meeting, that's whatever. 603 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: Some of the training stuff you get to do. And 604 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: then obviously going overseas it's a whole lot more interesting 605 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: and you see a side of the world. I love reading, 606 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: You love reading. So the information that you've got to 607 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: learn and have access to is itself interesting. But the 608 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: job of a CIA analyst is like the job of 609 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: an analyst in anywhere else, massive amounts of information absorption 610 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: and then synthesis into small usable bytes, in this case 611 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: for the policy community. But it is it's a reading 612 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: and writing job. Like, yeah, I did get weapons training 613 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: and stuff, but it's really a reading and writing job, 614 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: which is really very similar to being a lawyer, right, 615 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: Like you're basically just synthesize arguments and try to and 616 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of what we do here, right, there's 617 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: a voluminous amount of data that comes in every single 618 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: day and we try to make sense of it for 619 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: the larger or community. Yeah, being an intelligence officer I 620 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: was to joke around people is actually very good training 621 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: for being a doing media, being a writer, journalism. It's 622 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: all very very similar. Back to Pete Boute judge for 623 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: a second here, though, because the most now increasingly, I 624 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: think you could say, incompetent secretary of Transportation that anybody 625 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: can remember is out there reminding everyone that every decision 626 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: about transportation is a climate change decision, Play twenty four. 627 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: But we're looking at investments that are fair, that contribute 628 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: to equitable economic growth. We're looking at climate impacts, because 629 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: every transportation decision in the twenty first century is a 630 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: climate decision, whether we recognize it or not. And thankfully, 631 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: because we have such a big investment, you don't have 632 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: to look at which states got funds from this infrastructure 633 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: law and which ones didn't. Every single state, I believe, 634 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: we're already over three thousand bridges. So we're making sure, 635 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: whether they're talking about big projects like this or smaller communities, 636 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: that every part of America sees the benefit, because frankly, 637 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: every part of America has a need. Just notice that 638 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: whenever someone starts using the term equity and climate and 639 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: climate equity and these things altogether, this is the language 640 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: of the modern day American commissar sort of like in 641 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, when there's always talk of the revolution 642 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: and the need for the workers and all that stuff. 643 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: Equity climate. This is the secular religion of America today, 644 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: and Pete Buddha Judge is one of its priests. I 645 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: think that's well said. I'm also genuinely curious about what 646 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: his future is. So he's not a very good Transportation secretary. 647 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: He's relocated to Michigan. There's obviously a Senate seat that 648 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: is opening in Michigan. But if you ran for the 649 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: Senate and lost, it would certainly dent his ambitions going forward. 650 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: He probably in the back of his mind thinks, Okay, 651 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to run against Kamala and beat her in 652 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight, because we think Biden's going to run in 653 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: twenty four. But is he going to be Transportation secretary 654 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: for eight years? I gotta say I think. I think 655 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: in a head to head matchup, I think Kamala Harris 656 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: for the Democrat nomination beats Pete Voda Judge. I think 657 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Judge has a zero percent chance of being 658 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: nominated because he's gay. And I don't mean that because 659 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I think there's some massive anti gay sentiment in the 660 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: country that I prevent him from being elected. I mean 661 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: him getting the Democrat nomination because there's lots of black 662 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: guys that aren't going to vote for a gay white 663 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: guy to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. And 664 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: it's like they won't talk about it, but you look 665 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: at the data, he didn't get any support from minority voters. 666 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: Pete mayor Pete is the woke white liberal selection right. 667 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: A lot of woke white people like him, but it 668 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: doesn't actually connect with the huge percentage of the overall electorate. 669 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: I think he'd probably have to be VP, and then 670 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: maybe he's Kamala's VP, and we have the diversity inclusion 671 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: ticket officially out there for twenty twenty eight. 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