1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays and a Big Blue Kickoff live here 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He is Paul the tina on 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Lance Meado with you for the next sixty minutes. Two 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: zero one five one three. That is the telephone number. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: You can also try him via Twitter hashtag Giants Chatting. 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: A reminder, Big Look Kickoff Live is brought to you 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: by cores Light. Download the Cours Live rewards app to 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: an amazing Giants prizes throughout the course of the Season's 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: a lot to tackle over the next sixty minutes. We'll 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: get to your phone calls, We'll get to your tweets. Paul, 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Let's start on the injury front, because that, to me 12 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: is probably the most important subject. As the Giants get 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: set to host the New Orleans Saints this week, and 14 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: everybody keeping close tabs on specifically Olivier Vernon and Eli Apple. 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: Vernon has yet to play this season. Eli Apple missed 16 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: the last game. It seems as if both players, though, 17 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: are trending in the right direction. It certainly does. Today 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: we saw Vernon in full gear and Apple in full gear. 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: Both players warmed up, they did positional drills. They both 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: look good doing them. Of course, Vernon with the ankle 21 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: and Apple with the groin. How much they will do 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the rest of the afternoon where aims to be seen? Uh. 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: Coach Shermour did say that he thought that Apple would 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: try to do full team drills today, he thought, but 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: again it remains to be seen. Vernon, he still was 26 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: not sure. The way those guys looked, I'd say there's 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: a good chance. But again we're now closed out of practice, 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: so we can't tell you what's going to happen. We 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: can only tell you what the post practice report is 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: a couple of hours from now. Kind of borrow one 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: appeared to be a full go. Coach was saying that 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, you guys need to understand that there are veterans. 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: He's going to give maintenance rest as those two, which 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: is why Snacks, Lattimer and stewart Um did not practice yesterday. 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: They're also on the bikes today. They are getting rest, 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: maintenance days. Nothing to be concerned about, and you see 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: that across the league, Paul, So it's not necessarily anything 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: unique for the New York Giants in terms of making 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: sure that the guy's rest up during the course of 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: the week before they get out there. On the weekend 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: in game situations. He did that even throughout the course 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: that raining camp. So I don't think that should be 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: anything that catches anyone by surprise. As far as interaction 44 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: with the media today, we heard from both coordinators and 45 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: we heard from a few different players. To start with 46 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: Mike Schuley, the offensive coordinator. He was asked Paul about 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: the offensive line and maybe what was different, and you know, 48 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: his impression was he felt the execution was better as 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: a group, but he said, just because we want a 50 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: game doesn't mean that everything was great. He said, there's 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: still a lot of things that this offensive line has 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: to work on. He just felt that Eli Manning got 53 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: rid of the ball very quickly, and they strategized around 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: some of their shortcomings effectively in order to move the 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: ball consistently against the Houston Texans. But as you will know, Paul, 56 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: the Saints are going to provide a completely different challenge 57 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: than Euston did. So just because Houston played you that 58 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: way and you were able to get around that doesn't 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: mean that New Orleans is going to provide a very 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: similar front. Well, you know, here's the question that every 61 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: coordinator has going into a game after a game like 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: they just had the previous week. They need to understand, 63 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: all right, is the team going to do what they 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: do well or are they going to make significant adjustments 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: and maybe go out of character because they want to 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: do certain things to you and try to attack your 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: weak spots. I mean, I'll give you a great example. 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: If you look at the first three games that the 69 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: Giants have played, the offensive line had the most trouble 70 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys defensive front half this acts they gave 71 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: up in it. That's the one game where the Giants 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: faced a ton of stunts and a lot of blitzes. 73 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Jacksonville does not usually do that. The Giants handled it 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: rather well. Houston does not do a whole ton of that. 75 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: The Giants handled it well. So now the Saints, who 76 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: blitz a little bit over thirty percent of the time, Okay, 77 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: they rely on their front four. They want Oakrefre to 78 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: get some pressure from one side. They want Cameron Jordan 79 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: to get it from the other side. Jordan's on the 80 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: left side of the defense, which means he goes up 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: against Chad Wheeler. Do they decide that, Okay, we're gonna 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: do what we do and not blitz a whole lot 83 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: because we trust our guys up front, Or are they 84 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: going to say, look at the Dallas film, Wow, they 85 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: did stunts, they did blitzes, they caused the Giants all 86 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: kinds of headaches. That's the gamesmanship that goes on during 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: the week. So I honestly don't know how the Saints 88 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: are going to approach this. From a Giant's perspective, I'd 89 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: much rather see the Saints go with their standard game plan, 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: try to get pressure with the front four, because I 91 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: think that actually bodes well for the Giants. I think 92 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: they'll hold up enough to make big plays against a 93 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: very suspect secondary. Yeah, the secondary has given up the 94 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: most passing touchdowns in the NFL through the first three games. 95 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: Actually it's ten on the season. They've given up. That's 96 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: what I saw in the numbers. Linebacker, linebackers, I think 97 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: gave up to secondary. So then you know what to 98 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: word it correctly. The Saints have surrendered ten passing touchdowns. 99 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Let look at it that way, which I know for 100 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: a fact is the most. And then after the secondary 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: you're saying is responsible for eight of them in terms 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: of coverage, two of them were on the linebackers that's 103 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: fair in terms of clarifications. So you're right. If you're 104 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: the Saints, you want to get pressure on Eli Manning 105 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: with your front seven and the defensive line. Paul is 106 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: responsible for all six of the team sacks. Cameron Jordan 107 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: leads the way with four of them. You mentioned he 108 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: lines up consistently on the right tackle, and he's been 109 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: doing that throughout the course of his career. And they've 110 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: asked Dennis Allen, and they've asked Sean Payton about that 111 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: over the years, and you know, they go back to 112 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: he was comfortable doing that in college, and that's why 113 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: they felt they're gonna keep him on that side because 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: you know how you see in the NFL today, Paul, 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: most of the time you put your top pass rusher 116 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: over the left tackle because you want him to attack 117 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: the blind side of the quarterback. Some teams, though, now, 118 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: if you have two great pass rushers, consistent guys, you're 119 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: content with leaving one of them over the right tackle, 120 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: especially if a guy like Cam Jordan's is going to 121 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: continue to be productive. Well. Jordan's unlike many of these 122 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: pass rushers of today who move around a lot, will occasionally, 123 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: you're right, not often but occasionally will move down to 124 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,559 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle spot. I've seen I've watched the tape 125 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: of the Saints. He has done some of that. What 126 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: you will not see is him flipped to the other side, 127 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: which to me is unique because in today's NFL we 128 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: see guys go back and forth, they move them around, 129 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: whereas with Cam Jordan's there contented, leaving him where he is, 130 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: and to their point, he's been extremely effective. So you know, 131 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: this is a game where if the Giants get protection, 132 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: you figure, hey, Eli Manny and company will take their 133 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: chances in terms of testing the secondary. And you brought 134 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: up the secondary, Paul, I think the Saints have playmakers 135 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: back there. I don't think it's you know, a bunch 136 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: of unknown guys that the Saints are thrown out there. 137 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: They did lose their slot starting corner Patrick Robinson, but 138 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: marsha and Lattimore was one of the best rookies in 139 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Last season. He gave him no touchdowns, 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: he had five interceptions. In terms of targets his way, 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: this season, that has not been the case. They've targeted 142 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: him twelve times. Opposing receivers have caught ten of those 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: twelve targets, and you know he's had a rough time 144 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: picking up where he left off. So when you look 145 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: at him falling back down a little to earth and 146 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: then you see the fact that Patrick Robinson has banged up. Yeah, 147 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, you get some time. There may 148 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: be some opportunities down the field in this game. You 149 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about guys who you would isolate in 150 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: the secondary. I'm going to give you some numbers, folks, 151 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: and and you know any NFL person can get ahold 152 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: of these numbers. So I'm not giving out any secretive information, 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: although the common public may not have access to it. 154 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: These these are not secretive. I'm not giving out Giants 155 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: scouting reports, but I'm simply giving you some numbers. Ken Crawley, 156 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: the left cornerback for the Saints. Teams have gone twelve 157 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: of eight I'm sorry, fourteen of eighteen when targeting him 158 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: for three touchdowns, and he's been called twice for passive deference. 159 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Not great numbers, No, h P. J. Williams their nickel corner. 160 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: Who's gonna replace Patrick Robinson? Eight of ten, three touchdowns, 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: one pass interference call. There's a trend there. Not great numbers. 162 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Mircus Williams. The free safety teams are four of five 163 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: against him for two touchdowns. Of the eight touchdown passes 164 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: the secondary has given up, three of them have been 165 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: for over forty five yards. Folks, Uh, now you know 166 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: why I said, if you're the Giants, you want the 167 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Saints front four to try to get pressure on their 168 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: own because if they do not, that secondary is left 169 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: hanging out to dry. And it has proven to be 170 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: the case. Over the first three games. Everybody has had 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: a field that even the Cleveland Browns. That game wasn't 172 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: extremely high scoring, Paul it was, but if you go back, 173 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: the Browns had a number of big plays. They hit 174 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: Callaway for a deep touchdown down the field which gave 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: them a late lead. So everybody has taken their chances 176 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: against the Saint secondary and has had some sense of success. 177 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: You just wonder, if you're New Orleans, which is what 178 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: you were bringing up, do you look at the Dallas 179 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: tape and then do you look at the Houston tape 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: and you say, well, why did Houston try to mimic 181 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: what Dallas did? They didn't exactly, no, but do you 182 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: question that and you say, well, maybe we should try 183 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: to mimic what Dallas did to see if the Giants 184 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: had made the necessary corrections. Now you of course have 185 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: to understand if your personnel can do that well, of course, 186 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: which is the other issue. You know, there's the what 187 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: do we do with this? Or we do that? And 188 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: then it's like, well can our guys do this or that? 189 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: You don't just want to throw out a game plan 190 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: for the sake of thrown out of game plan exactly, 191 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: So uh, it's it's a real game of chess going 192 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: into the game when you're trying to put together the 193 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: blueprint for for the game plan philosophy. I would say this, Um, 194 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: the Saints are only giving up three yards per carry 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: on the ground. So I'm not talking about total rushing 196 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: yards because that can be deceiving. Teams will throw on you, 197 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: not run against you, so you total is very small. 198 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: The Cowboys defense made use of that stat a couple 199 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: of years ago. That's not what I'm talking about here. 200 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about three yards per carry when running at 201 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the Saints defense, in particular when running towards the left 202 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: side of their defense. That would be Jordan and Rankin's 203 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: teams are only averaging less than two and a half 204 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: yards of carry. They're having a tremendous amount of difficulty 205 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: running to the offenses right, but to the left side 206 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: over four and a half yards of carry. But teams 207 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: haven't been doing that very much. They've been trying to 208 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: run strong side right and they've been getting stuffed. So 209 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: if you're the Giants and you want to get Barkley going, 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: you want to run them behind Soldier. You want to 211 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: run them to the left side, where the Saints defense 212 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: has shown a a thinness if you will against the run, 213 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: and if you can get that going and now mixing 214 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: big plays in the passing game, you've got a chance 215 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: to keep up with Drew Brees. Who am I at? 216 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned that Browns game when the Saints only scored 217 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: twenty one points. It's the only game that didn't scored 218 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: forty so far this year. In that game, they fumbled 219 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: the ball away twice and missed the field goal, some turnovers, 220 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: so they did have some self destruction on offense or 221 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: they probably would have scored at least thirty points in 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: that game. But if you look at Drew Brees this season, 223 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: eight touchdowns, no interceptions, completing nearly eighteent of his throws, 224 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: which is mind boggling. I mean it's well ahead, Well, no, 225 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: it is, it's laughable at this point. I I s B. J. 226 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Goodson about that today. I said, the numbers are just 227 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: off the charts, incredible and when you look at the tape, 228 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: it like really opened your eyes, right and he just 229 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: he just shook his head started laughing. He's like, true, 230 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: bees is really good. Yeah, if you've been watching the 231 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: lead for you quite sometimes. I think most people realize that. 232 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: But the guys that are on the field, all they 233 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: do is add a few exclamation points to that claim. 234 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: He has been lights out games. Betcher also spoke to 235 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: the media today. He was asked not specifically about Drew 236 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: brees Is completion percentage, but he wound up bringing it 237 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: up anyway. Paul, when talking about how the Saints offense operates, 238 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: and you know the two guys as we switch gears 239 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball before we get 240 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: to your phone calls Alvin Kamara and clearly Michael Thomas. 241 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Those are the two guys. If you're the Giants defense 242 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: that you have to keep close tabs on it. The 243 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: reason I say that, listen, it's easy to look at 244 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: their numbers and say, of course those are the two guys. 245 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: But the reason why it's so important for the Giants defense, 246 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: everybody included, They moved these two guys around so much, Paul, 247 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily line them up in one specific area. 248 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, though, it has been getting a lot of 249 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: snaps out of the slot, which makes him even more dangerous. 250 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: But Kimara, I mean he's coming off a game, Paul 251 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: where he had fifteen catches, and if people want to say, oh, well, 252 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Drew Brees is simply just dumping it off to him. 253 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: On those fifteen catchers, Paul, he had a hundred twenty 254 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: four yards. So we're talking about a player that whether 255 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: they dump it off to him or it's part of 256 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the offensive game plan, he likes, say Kwan, Barkley has 257 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the capability of getting chunks of yardage on small pass passes, 258 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: long passes, you name it, because he's that elusive. Well, 259 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: here's the thing. When Barkley was coming out, I mean, 260 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: it went back as far as the combine, not even 261 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the draft. It went further than that. People were saying 262 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: that Camara maybe the guy today who he most compares 263 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: to because of his speed, his ability to catch the ball, 264 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: his ability to run routes, his ability to get down 265 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: field and use his quickness on defenders. Kamara is that guy. 266 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Now I saw a number. I believe it was yards 267 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: after the catch. Kamar is number one in the NFL, 268 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: and I think Barkley's number three. If I'm not mistaken, 269 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: I know both of them are in the top seven 270 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL in total yards from scrimmage. Barkley is seven, 271 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Kamar is number one. I give you a number of folks, 272 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna show my age here. You love when 273 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: I show my when I tell people how old I am. 274 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: I've been telling people for a while now, and I've 275 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: been meaning to put this on Twitter, and I'm gonna 276 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: do it now this week, um, and feel free to 277 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: copy it wherever you like. I remember the first two 278 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: running backs who became significant portions of an offense's regular playbook. 279 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: Lydel Mitchell of the Colts you might know that name. 280 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: That name does, and Chuck Foreman of the Vikings. Name 281 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: also rings okay now. Lydel Mitchell was the first running 282 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: back in NFL history to lead the league and pass receptions. 283 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: He caught over seventy balls in nineteen seventy four for 284 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: the Colts. The following season, um Foreman lad the league 285 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: and pass receptions as a rookie and became the second 286 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: one to do it, and he caught I think one 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: or two more passes than I think Mitchell did. So 288 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: when back to back years you are to running back 289 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: leading the NFL and pass receptions. That was in the 290 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: mid seventies. Ironically enough, both Mitchell informants careers paralleled each other, 291 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: and that they got old fast, they got injured, and 292 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: both of them only had probably four or five outstanding 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: seasons and then all of a sudden both of them 294 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: wound up on different teams and disappeared out of the league. 295 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: At the time, in the mid seventies, these two guys 296 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: were as dominant or running backs as you could find 297 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: on the field. And it wasn't just that there were 298 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: a thousand yard Russians because they were versatile, but they 299 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: were huge parts of the passing game. The only other 300 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: were running back you know who it is the only 301 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: other running back to ever lead the NFL and receiving 302 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: any thoughts, pick a guess, you'll you'll get him because 303 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: you'll know you'll know the kind of guy we're talking 304 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: about any other running back, there's only one. Well, the 305 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: the guy that comes to my mind who was that 306 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: verse until back is Brian Westbrook. Not he's the guy 307 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: though that I'm not think of because he was so 308 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: involved in And it's not than Thomas, It's not Sprawls, 309 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because I just was used enough to 310 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: even not Marcus Allen, by the way, it was a 311 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: heck of a receiver. Roger Craig the other one that's 312 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: actually that makes sense. Lido, Mitchell, Chuck Foreman, and Roger 313 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Craig the only running backs in NFL history to lead 314 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: the league in receptions. And you look at Kamara and 315 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: he caught fifteen and that last game alone, he had 316 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,239 Speaker 1: twenty targets fifteen receptions, which is the second most receptions 317 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: in a game in NFL history by a running back. 318 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: And you know who's third, Barkley. Barkley with fourteen. I 319 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: think there were two or three other guys tied with that. McCaffrey, 320 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's up there, but I think he has 321 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: a fourteen. Uh, but there's only one guy who has 322 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: more than both of them, and he guess this season 323 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: in turns all time all time. We're talking most catches 324 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: by a running back in a single game. Camar's fifteen 325 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: is the second most. Barkley's fourteen is the third most. 326 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: Who was number one? He caught seventeen passes in a 327 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: game against the San Francisco forty nine is in nineteen 328 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: eighty And you'll know the name when I tell you, Well, 329 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: you might as well tell me correct gains of the Jets. Okay, 330 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I do know the name, but they played out Kanas 331 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: City Chiefs. Little history lesson today, folks on Big Blue 332 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: kick Off, because after all, that's what I do. And 333 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: it is a notable subject because this week a lot 334 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: of coaches, specifically Pat Shermer and Sean Payton, were asked 335 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: about the evolution of the running back position. I think 336 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: we're going to get a glimpse of it this weekend 337 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: with Kimara as well as Barkley. Then you're gonna see 338 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: McCaffrey the following week and these three guys, the two 339 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: of them, McCaffrey and Kimara last year had at least 340 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: eighty receptions. Barkley is on pace for that and then some. 341 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: So you know what it goes back to is And 342 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: I was listening to Sherman's conference call with the Saints media, 343 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes when the coach speaks to a 344 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: different group of reporters, they ask different questions and provide 345 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: some different inside it. One of the things that Hmer 346 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: mentioned because remember he worked with Dalvin Cook last year, 347 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: small sample size because Cook got hurt. But Shermer what 348 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: he emphasized, and this is something that even when we've 349 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: met with him. Paul, for example, place philosophy about if 350 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a fullback on the roster, the fullback 351 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: needs to be able to catch the ball, because his 352 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: philosophy is, you've got to maximize the fifty three guys 353 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: on your roster. Why would you keep a guy on 354 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: your roster who doesn't have the capabilities to chip in 355 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: in other areas or other facets. So that's why I 356 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of coaches now are trying to go 357 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: after running backs who can be a part of the 358 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: passing game, who can pass protect because if they could 359 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: stay on the field and they can do a lot, 360 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: then you're maximizing the usage of that player. So that's 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: why I think we're seeing more of a movement in 362 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: that direction. Not to say guys twenty years ago weren't 363 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: doing that or didn't have the capability, Paul. But now, 364 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because of the injury rate and the turnover on rosters, 365 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: the more a running back could do, the more a 366 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: fullback could do. It just makes that player that much 367 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: more dangerous and it keeps the defense guessing because when 368 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: guys like Kimara and Barkley and McCaffrey are in the backfield, 369 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: you have no idea, Paul, if they are going to 370 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: run the ball, or you have no idea if they're 371 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: gonna run out of the backfield and catch him. And 372 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: that's why they're so dangerous as players. Well, when you 373 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: consider that so many teams are involved in massive substitution 374 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: packages and changing personnel almost on a down by down 375 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: basis nowadays, if you have the controversatility in your backfield, 376 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: where guess what I'm taking Kamara or I'm taking Barkley 377 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to run them out wide? What linebacker 378 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: in there, of course wants to go out there with him. 379 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: Match up nightmare. So with their speed and what they're 380 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: able to do in terms of change of direction, it's 381 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: impossible to ask a linebacker. Very few guys that even 382 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: come to name could perhaps I don't think kick would 383 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: want to do it. Well, Kickley is one of the 384 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: guys that I would throw out, but you would still 385 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: be a struggle. There's gonna find that out when they 386 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: play the Giants, correct exactly. Yeah, You're gonna see the 387 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: Saints and the Panthers in the next two weeks. They 388 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: remind your Big Look Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light Download. 389 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: The Core's Light rewards have to win Amazing Giants prizes 390 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: throughout the season. Right, let's open up the phone line? 391 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: Is getting you set for Giant Saints this Sunday for 392 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: PM Eastern Kickoff two zero three. Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: Jeff is on Long Island. He gets us going on 394 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: Thursday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. How we doing, Jeff? 395 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: Uh fine, Thanks, good afternoon, gentlemen. Uh with all the 396 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: matchups that you're you're talking about, uh as a Giant, 397 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: as a long time Giant fan, I sort of sometimes 398 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: get into the intangibles, the things that sort of drive 399 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: me uh in creating a an additional interest in the 400 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: way a game is played. And what I'm talking about is, uh, 401 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: how teams are affected by quote unquote the old Wives 402 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: tail or for instance. Uh, you know, in the old 403 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: Giants stadium, it's George Young may have asked the maintenance 404 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: men to open up the doors, but one of the 405 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: end zones to create a You can really believe that 406 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: what are we going to just say one thing? The 407 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: Meadowlands wind was strong enough on its own. They didn't 408 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: need to open doors to make that sucker blow. That's 409 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: that's true. So uh, And I do remember back in 410 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: two thousand seven when the Giants played Minnesota and Eli 411 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: had one of his worst games passing because it was 412 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: always throwing into the wind, and and it was an 413 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: awful game for him. Darren in particular how to feast, 414 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: so he did so. So what I'm looking at also is, yes, 415 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: there are intangibles on both sides. And one of the 416 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: intangibles that always seems to be played in the media 417 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: at times and with the fans and sometimes with the 418 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: teams and some players themselves is in for instance, with 419 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: New Orleans. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong. This is 420 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: going to be the first game that they're playing outdoors. 421 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: The first three were in domes, and and the passing 422 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: stats that you you had before, we're all obviously um 423 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: passing stats that were played in that November that this weather, 424 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: this at the end of the month is going to 425 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: be anything like November or December. But you know, it's 426 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: somewhat it's it's it's an intangible that I always consider 427 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: when I see, you know, a team like New Orleans 428 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: in this position play and uh. The other thing, which 429 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: may not be so much of an intangible, but but 430 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: it's something that I would like to see is I 431 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: would like to see the Giants win the toin the 432 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: Coin Tours first, because I think this is they just 433 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: decided to defer. They have one of the coin toss 434 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: this season. They just deferred a lot, I understand, but 435 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: this time I would like to see them you want 436 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: to take the ball first. Say, it might not be 437 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: a bad idea exactly because you want to keep him 438 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: on the side by a fear, as you know, if 439 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: if they can start first, the Giants that is, and 440 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: and have points scored on the first possession, I just 441 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: think that's a that's a big deal just in the 442 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: back and forth that I expect we'll be taking that. 443 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea this week and and look, 444 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: it's been fashionable over the last few years for more 445 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: and more teams to differ, and the reason that they 446 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: want to do that, just so you understand the strategy 447 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: behind it, that there are two reasons. Number One, in 448 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: some teams minds, their defense is going to immediately tilt 449 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: the field on the first possession and they'll hold a team. 450 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: They think, oh, we'll hold them to a first down, 451 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: maybe maybe two, and we'll wind up getting the ball 452 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: out near our own forty yard line for our first 453 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: offensive possession. So therefore, we're giving our offense a better 454 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: chance to score its first time out of the box 455 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: as opposed to a ball that's going to go through 456 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: the end zone and make us start at the That's 457 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: the first reason teams do it strategically. The second reason 458 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: teams do it strategically is because they believe a lot 459 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: of times that coming down to the end of the 460 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: first half, okay, what you're gonna have is either a 461 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: you can control and milk the clock to where you 462 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: get the last possession of the half, and then you 463 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: get that first possession coming out in the third quarter, 464 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: so you have an opportunity perhaps for two consecutive scores 465 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: where the other team doesn't even touch the ball, so 466 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: they teams love to be able to do that if 467 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: at all possible. By the same token, if the other 468 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: team has the ball with two minutes to go and 469 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: they wind up going down and scoring in the final 470 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: seconds of the first half, you like to be able 471 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, so you got your points. Guess what 472 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: halftime's coming. You've just lost your momentum, and we get 473 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: the ball to start the third quarter. So you don't 474 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: get your momentum anyway, because we've now killed it because 475 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: not only is there half time, but we're getting the ball. 476 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: So those are the strategical reasons why teams differ. But listen, 477 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: when you go up against the Stads, it still comes 478 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: down to your keep the ball, regardless of it in 479 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: terms of times based on it comes down to the 480 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: Giants defense, I would I would like to hold off 481 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: on that de perl and and if if if we're 482 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: lucky enough to win the coin toss, let's get the ball. 483 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: That's time. Okay, Well, appreciate the phone call. Yeah, I'm 484 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: sure they will pass the message along to Pat Shermer. 485 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: In terms of this whole narrative about that the Saints 486 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: are not as effective when they're outdoors. Yes, they've had 487 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: some mixed results, but I mean, I'm just taking a 488 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: glance at the two thousand seventeen schedule. They went into 489 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Buffalo last year and that was in the middle of November, 490 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: so you know, don't tell me what was in September 491 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: when the weather was mild. In November, they go to 492 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: Buffalo and they beat the Bills forty seven to ten. 493 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: So for everybody that claims, oh, yeah, you get the 494 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: Saints outdoors, they're a completely different team. I understand the 495 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: numbers are not as glowing as they are in stores 496 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: in the Dome, but they've had some offensive clinics outdoors. 497 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: They went into Green Bay in October last year. They 498 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: put up twenty six points, breeze through for three hundred 499 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: thirty one and Ingram ran for a hundred five and 500 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: Ted Gain had a hundred forty one yards receiving. So 501 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: you know, to say, oh, well, you got the Saints 502 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: exactly where you want them, I don't necessarily buy that narrative. 503 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: You defense still need to come to play. So if 504 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the weather is gonna be mild, you think all of 505 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, Drew Brey is gonna be distracted because there's 506 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: a little wind through the air. I don't think that's 507 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what you go into a game 508 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: hoping to slow down the Saints. I'm sorry. Let's head 509 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: back to the phone lines here. Dave is in Cranford. Dave, 510 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: what's happening? Lance? You're right on and by the way 511 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: sunday's looking at it's going to be a beautiful day. 512 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna put any hope in in the 513 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: weather helping us out. I just wanted to hit on 514 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: a couple of things for you guys. Um. I really 515 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: like and and the obvious one is obviously Barkley, but 516 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: I think there's there's three others. And that is, you 517 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: know how much playing time? And I think you're seeing 518 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: each week the rookies, Um, particularly the core four of them, 519 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: you know, Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, b J. Hill. Um, I 520 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: think you're seeing them take big straw is week to week, 521 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: which makes a lot of sense just in terms of, 522 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, as much practice as they can get, but 523 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, real game planning. And I think you're seeing Barkley. 524 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I I just got appause for a second. 525 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: It's like what this guy has done with this kid, 526 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: I want to call him because he's so young, but 527 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: um in his first three games, while the offensive line 528 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: is still getting put together, while the game plan still 529 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: getting put together, he's been nothing but but short of 530 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: amazing and and and not only you know, you just 531 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: see what he can do to an offense where you 532 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: know he's just a big play waiting to happen. You 533 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: know no one can tackle him one on one and 534 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: what that does to the to the defense. But I 535 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: think you're seeing Hernandez taking big strides getting better each week. 536 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing Carter, you know, getting more reps 537 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: and and I think it's really important because you know, 538 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: those are those are four key guys that are getting 539 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: a lot of reps that that can really make an 540 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: impact on a game. This is why, or part of 541 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: the reason why I've been saying all along. You know, 542 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: when you have a team like this, you know it's 543 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: been so much rebuilt, not just the coaching staff in 544 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: the front office, but the roster itself, and then rebuilt 545 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: with so many young guys who are being counted on 546 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: for a lot of snaps early. You need to let 547 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: them get their sea legs under them. The first month 548 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: of the season because they will only get better. They 549 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: will learn the scheme, they will become more comfortable, they 550 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: will become more confident, they will become more knowledgeable. There's 551 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: no reason to expect that any of these young kids 552 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: who are playing now will tail off in the middle 553 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: of the season. They should get better now. What you 554 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: will have to worry about is if they're playing a 555 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: lot of snaps when they hit the rookie wall at 556 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: the tenth or twelve game, that you may have to 557 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: be concerned about. But that's a physical fatigue factor. That's 558 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: not about their their ability to diagnose what's going on. 559 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: At the pro level, well, a lot of players tend 560 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: to say that once they get acclimated more to the system, 561 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: they stopped thinking as much and they could play at 562 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: a faster pace. And I think you're you're starting to 563 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: already see that a little with guys like Corn and Hill, 564 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: and I think if anything, they're can get more confident, 565 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: even more productive as the season goes. Nice to see 566 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: he'll get that set. I agree. I would just say 567 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: one of the things for you guys, Paul, you made 568 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: a comment today on the radio which I thought was important, 569 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: which is the ability to run the ball against the Saints. 570 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: I think the you know, three games is just not 571 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: big enough to kind of get a good statistical analysis 572 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: of what's really going on. Um. They haven't faced back 573 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: like Barkley yet, and I think people have happy right 574 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: right um. And I think their past defense you know, 575 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: makes you want to throw the ball a lot. But 576 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I really do think that there's going to be a 577 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: chance to to you know, run the ball effectively. And 578 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: then I think on defense, the other scheme, which I 579 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: think plays to our strength, which is the only way 580 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: to really pressure Breeze in my mind, is more up 581 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: the middle. He's too good when you get him around 582 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: the edge, he steps up into a pocket. But if 583 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: you can get him up the middle and put pressure 584 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: his size and and that's where he doesn't want that 585 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: pressure to come from. I think with Tominson hill Snacks, 586 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: I think we you know, we could have some successes there. 587 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: And I'd like to just get your dice comments on that. 588 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: Let me go to too free to to to comments 589 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: on this. A. You're absolutely right. The conventional wisdom on 590 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: Breeze has always been to pressure him up the middle. 591 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: The Giants can blitz with Ogletree and Collins. They do 592 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: like to send those guys between the A gaps and 593 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the B gaps. Let me make something clear. The Saints 594 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: have always built their offensive lines when they have had 595 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: good ones from the inside out. They have made sure 596 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: they had just dominant guards and centers because they knew 597 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: that you had to keep people out of breezes. Windshield. Okay, 598 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: so you're you're absolutely dead on I love your perspective 599 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: on that. You were totally on the other thing that 600 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: you were talking about in terms of running the ball 601 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: and having balance. Here's what the Saints will do. They 602 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: play a lot of man coverage. Okay, they mix in 603 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: some zone, but they play a lot of man. And 604 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: what they also do is play a lot of single 605 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: high safety. Now you've been around long enough to know 606 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: lands around this Giant's team, the Giants feast on single 607 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: high safety coverages. Sheppard and Beckham in particular, shred single 608 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: high safety coverages practically in their sleep. Now, to make 609 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: sure that the Saints wind up doing a lot of 610 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: single high safety, you gotta make sure you run the 611 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: ball because that's going to bring one of the safeties down, 612 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: you see, So so get get that strong safety sucked 613 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: down into the box, so where even if the Saints 614 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: want to get out of the single high, they're gonna 615 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: be forced to play single high. And now your free 616 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: safety is gonna be left with his pants down by 617 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: his ankles when these two receivers start running by them, 618 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: which is what the Baltimore Ravens learned a few years ago. 619 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: This is a good this is a great call. Nice 620 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: job today, Paul, just let you run real quick, does Stupor? 621 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: I'll let you go with this, does Nathan Stupor? And 622 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: the fact that Kareem Moore am Ram Moore, who hasn't 623 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: been active, but both of those guys was with them 624 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: for two years and both of them were in camp 625 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: with them. Do you think that gives them any any 626 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: advantagers that over. I think every team will always try 627 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: to glean anything that they can from someone who was 628 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: in somebody else's camp a short time ago. You'd be 629 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: foolish not to do it. But to say that it's 630 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: a significant advantage that will make the difference in a game, 631 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: I doubt it. But hey, what if it's that one 632 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: tiny mannerism that he's able one of these guys is 633 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: able to tell O'Dell Beckham Jr. About one of the 634 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: guys in their secondary and he takes advantage of that 635 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: mannerism for seventy five touchdown catch. Well you know, well gee, sorry, 636 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: not sorry. You give him a few tips, and David 637 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. I think the best example you 638 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: got it is on Hard Knocks. I don't know if 639 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: you saw this season, Paul, but parts in the Browns 640 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: played the Eagles. This was when Michael Kendricks was still 641 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: on Cleveland. Greg Williams, their d defensive coordinator, had Michael 642 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: Kendricks come up and he addressed the entire defense and 643 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: he broke down every single Eagles offensive personnel and I 644 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: thought a lumber of the tips or interesting. He talked 645 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: about how he thought Zach Ertz was their best receiver, 646 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: but he's not very physical at the line of scrimmage, 647 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: and he went down the row and the episode actually 648 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: gave a nice detailed synopsis of what Kendricks told the team. 649 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: So I think to the last caller's point, yeah it's possible. 650 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Nate talks with a lot of his defensive teammates and says, Okay, 651 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: this is the tendencies of Chimeara. This is the tendencies 652 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: of Michael Thomas. Those things I think happened no matter 653 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: what you see across the NFL. Because mannerisms, I think 654 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: roy's key how a guy gets off the line of scrimmage. 655 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: But as far as scheme, I'm sure since Nate left 656 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: the Saints, Dennis Allen has tweaked his defense a little. Well, 657 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: let's make something very clear. If you're scouting staff and 658 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: you're coaching staff have done a good job of analyzing 659 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: the opponent, then okay, what you need to know to 660 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: face the Saints this week is going to be coming 661 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: from them, of course. But again, that's not to say 662 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that Stupar may know a little bit about a mannerism 663 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: that the scouts didn't pick up, or that the assistant 664 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: coaches when they were looking through the film themselves, didn't see. 665 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: There's always the chance that there'll be a small crumb. 666 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: But if you're scouting staff and your personnel department and 667 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: your coaching staff are any good at what they do, 668 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: they're going to filter out probably of the stuff you 669 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: need to know. Anyway, I think a guy like Nate 670 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: he could reinforce some of those things in talking to 671 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: his teammates. That's what I think his benefit would be 672 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: to the rest of the guys on the roster. Before 673 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: we had back to the lines, wanted to piggyback off 674 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: of another comment that the last caller brought up with 675 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: respect to the Saints and their rushing defense and how 676 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: much substance do you put behind those numbers. Yes, they 677 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: have not gone up against a running back in the 678 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: ballpark of s Kwon Barkley in terms of his versatility 679 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: and skill set. With that being said, here's why I 680 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: don't think the numbers are skewed or the numbers you 681 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't some substance behind, because I'm looking at the volume 682 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: of Russia's Paul from the opposition this season against New Orleans, 683 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: Tambay ran the ball thirty four times. I mean that's 684 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot of runs over the course of a contest, 685 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: and they did get over a hundred yards as a team, 686 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: but the Saints held them to just three point three 687 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: yards per carry, including Peyton Barber, their starter, who had 688 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: three point six to carry. So Tampa Bay doesn't have 689 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: a sat Kwan Barkley. But Tampa Bay ran the ball 690 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: thirty four times, so the Saints weren't put in a 691 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: position where Ryan Fitzpatrick through fifty times and they were 692 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: barely running it. Okay, Then you go to the Cleveland game. 693 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: Cleveland ran the ball twenty seven times for ninety three 694 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: yards three point four yards per carry, So same ballpark 695 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: measurement that the Saints held the Browns too. Carlos Hyde 696 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: got over fifteen carries in that game, not say Kwan Barkley, 697 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: but they were tested against the work cards. And then 698 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: you go to the last match up against the Atlanta Falcons. Okay, 699 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: Davante Freeman didn't play. I get that. Tevin Coleman's not 700 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley, but Atlanta round the ball twenty two 701 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: times and they're starting running back at fifteen carry and 702 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: they held him to just forty eight yards two point 703 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: two yards per carry. So the volume of carries has 704 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: been there. The opposing teams have run the ball against 705 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: the Saints. To say that those numbers don't add up 706 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: because everybody's throwing against the Saints, to me, is completely misleading. 707 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: If you're getting tested and the oppositions running the ball 708 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: against you in the ballpark of five times, that to 709 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: me is a good barometer. And I think that's been 710 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: showcased over the first three games for the New Orleans 711 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: Saints rushed defense. Two zero five one three is the 712 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: telephone number. Lance Mettle Paul Detino with you here Thursday's 713 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: issue A Big Blue Kickoff Live. Let's take back to 714 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: the lines. We've got Sergeant James Kennedy on the line 715 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: for the U. S. Army in Richmond, Virginia. Sergeant, how 716 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: we doing today? Appreciate the call good Land, Paul, thank 717 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: you for your service anything else, because that's important and 718 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: we appreciate that. I appreciate that. Just retired this July. 719 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make all these games as much as 720 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: I can. I'm so happy. Um. But another quick thing, um, 721 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: what I was to talk about the Saints to um, 722 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: we gotta keep our opense on that ball, uh pretty much, 723 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: and keep Drew Brees down as long as we can 724 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: and as long as everybody players the team. Just like 725 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: last week, I think we're gonna be fine. And the 726 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: switching the Flowers, I understand what had happened, but you 727 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: can't blame it all on him. Next man up and 728 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: we do what we have to do. You know, we 729 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: want everybody as good as the first guy. But if 730 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: we continue what we're doing now and get a little 731 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: better each week. Will be all right, even though how 732 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: hard the schedule is. But Deli is doing a fantastic job. 733 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: Sa Kuan, everybody, coach. I was watching after the game 734 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: about giving the ghettoman a ball and the coach a ball. 735 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: That was really nice. But we have to do what 736 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: we have to do to continue to be strong and 737 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: just keep it going. Yeah, before you go, sorry, I 738 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: want you. I wanted to just say something to you. 739 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can listen to us online 740 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: if you're only on the phone. Please don't ignore the 741 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: credit that needs to be given to John Greco at center. 742 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: He had a sensational game in Houston, coming in eleven 743 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: year pro having a step in for for John Hallapo 744 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: who had gotten injured broke his leg in the Dallas game. 745 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: Greco had only started three other games at center since 746 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen in his eleven year career, and he 747 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: was masterful against the Texans. He was assertive. I was 748 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: on the field for the whole game by by the 749 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: Giants bench, and as I was moving up and down 750 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, he was so assertive, so confident, 751 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: double and triple checking every call with his guys coming 752 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: up to the line, calling out different audibles and checking 753 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: with Eli, looking back to make sure Eli had what 754 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: he needed, making sure pointing out the backers and the blitzers, 755 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: and and I know all centers do that, but Greco 756 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: was so emphatic, especially early in the game. He was 757 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: so on top of it. I cannot say enough for 758 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: the difference that he made in this offensive line. And 759 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I get that out 760 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: because I hadn't been on here at this screen. That's 761 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: what you get from a veteran presence like that, even 762 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: though he had limited experience at center, he's played guard 763 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: most of his career, but he's been there before. Did 764 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: you see stand Did you see one guy, one defender 765 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: all game coming clean on Eli? The only one you 766 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: saw when when what beat um Reeler around the edge, 767 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: which was physical. That wasn't about a mental mistake. It 768 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: was not a misdassignment. And there was another time when 769 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: a guy came up and Barkley tried to cut block 770 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: him and the guy eluded him and he came in 771 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: clean on Eli. But again that's a physical mistake. I 772 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: don't remember seeing any mental mistakes or missed assignments by 773 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: the offensive line in that Houston game. That tells you 774 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: all you need to know about what a great job 775 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: John Greco did. And sarg appreciate the phone. Thank you, 776 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much for the phone call, and thanks for 777 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: your service to this country as well. All right, let's 778 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: head back to the lines. Marco is in Netiquett. Marco, 779 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey guys, how are you? Marco? What do 780 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: you got for us? You know, I've been thinking about 781 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: this to night. I literally just jumped on so I 782 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: don't know if you brought this up earlier. Um, the 783 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: same team from last year. They they've they've brought back 784 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: more or less the Saint roster offense, the nucleus for 785 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: the most part is still together, still together, right, I 786 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: mean they're missing ingram More and I think on defense too. UM. 787 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to know if he talked about this, do 788 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: you think there's any advantage Um two Shermer having played 789 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: them last year as the offensive coordinator for the Vikings 790 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: and uh what that kind of brings in preparation for 791 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: this game? Well, actually it's funny. I brought that up 792 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: on Twitter last night, the fact that this is the 793 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: third time in twenty two games that Pat Shermer is 794 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: going up against Dennis Allen's defense. Dennis Allen is the 795 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Saints and he has been with 796 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: the team for four seasons, so the Saints have been 797 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: running his scheme over the last few years. So some 798 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: of the personnel has changed, of course, but the scheme 799 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: is pretty much familiar to Pat Sherman, and I think 800 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: certainly that helps the fact that, you know, he's been 801 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: exposed to that defense in a very small period of 802 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: time three times now, So I mean, I do think 803 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: that the familiarity with the personnel, guys like Cam Jordan's, 804 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankins, some of these other players. You know, Alex 805 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 1: Okafour was hurt last season, so he didn't really see 806 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: much of him. But yeah, I think the scheme some 807 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,479 Speaker 1: of their big playmakers, I think it's going to help. 808 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily if it's gonna be a huge advantage, 809 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: because it's not as if Sean Payton and Dennis Allen 810 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: haven't necessarily seen Pat Shermer's offensive scheme with the Vikings too. 811 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: You know, it goes both ways. You gotta look at 812 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: it through the lens. But I think familiarity helps, it 813 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: can hurt. If you're curious. The Vikings scored twenty nine 814 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: points at each time against the Saints in their two 815 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: meetings last year, but neither time did they rush for 816 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: a hundred yards well, which speaks volumes of that Saints 817 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: run defense, which was no joke last year either. Interesting. Um, 818 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: some of my thought when I well, my next question was, oh, 819 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: here is um in either of your film reviews With 820 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: the Saints. There's a guy that I keep hearing about, 821 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: but I have not watched any of the same games 822 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: this year, but I've been hearing about him. I think 823 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: he's a backup quarterback, Tasso Hill. Yeah, are you familiar 824 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: with it? He is? He involved in some of the 825 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: packages that they're running. Well, what they're doing is they're 826 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of his versatility. Number one, he's 827 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: a return guy for them because they lost their number 828 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: one return guy, Tommy Lee Lewis. He suffered a knee 829 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: injury and week two so Tastom Hill has been returning kickoffs. 830 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: He's got four kickoff returns for over a hundred yards, 831 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: and they try to move him around on some offensive sets. 832 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: He's run the ball a few times out of the backfield. 833 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: They try to get a little bit clever because they 834 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: feel they like his talent and his skill set. He's 835 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: at a B y U. There is the second season 836 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: in the league. I mean, they certainly showcased him as 837 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the pre season. But when you got 838 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you're not gonna take him out from under center, 839 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: and and and they're certainly not trying to do what 840 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens did earlier this season. If you were calling, 841 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that Paul where they 842 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: had Lamar Jackson come in and then Joe Flacco gets 843 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. You know Drew Brees, you're not 844 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: taking out from under center. But you're gonna move Tasom 845 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: Hill around because he could be a receiver, he could 846 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: be a runner, and he contributes on special means. If 847 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: the Saints are listening and they spread Breeze out from 848 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: under center and put him on the flame, take him out, 849 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: please go right ahead, take the ball out of his hands. 850 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Last thing for me and I, um, yeah, 851 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: I'm always curious about that stuff. Last thing for me, 852 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: I noticed in every game, Um, Jenkins has really settled 853 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: down after a big play. And I don't know if 854 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: it's his small or if he's the main guy in coverage, 855 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: but it seems like it has been and then he 856 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: and then he's cold down and whereas the defense is 857 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 1: really set in the second half, um and I'm usually 858 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: during the game, I'll text my brother and say, hey, 859 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: there's a big play with Jenkins. He's gonna settle down. 860 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: But the thing is with the Saints, and you guys 861 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: know this, they don't take the foot off the gas 862 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: um and and that, and those big plays are gonna 863 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: calm and calm the comes. So I think a guy 864 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: like Jenkins is going to have to be pretty pretty 865 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: slawless from the beginning to the end of the game, 866 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: especially if he's gonna be lining up with Mike Thomas himself. Thanks, guys, 867 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate the phone call. You got it. 868 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: I will tell you that has been the one area 869 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: that folks have said to me if they wanted to 870 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: pick a part gen Worris Jenkins, who last year played 871 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: with a knee injury for much of the season and 872 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: wasn't himself, the one thing that they'll say is much 873 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: like one of these great starting pitchers. They say, get 874 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: him in the first inning, Well, you probably are not 875 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: going to get to him with Jenkins. That's the thing 876 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: that people have said to me. You gotta hit him 877 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: with a deep ball early because as the game goes on, 878 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: he gets better and better and it's gonna be a 879 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: lot tougher to to beat him deep once the game 880 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: gets going and he starts getting into the floor. Well, 881 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: and we saw Jacksonville testing him early with Keelan Cole 882 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: and then Dallas tested with tavon OUs and now he 883 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 1: slipped up, So you know, that was what I think 884 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: really impacted that play and then didn't necessarily get the 885 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: safety help from Curtis Riley. But that's what teams have 886 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: been trying to do, Paul. To your point, they've been 887 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: going after him very early. Now, related to the last 888 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: caller's question, and I think this is relevant to the 889 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: discussion we're having right now as I try to involve 890 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,919 Speaker 1: some tweets and we'll take more of your phone calls 891 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: at two five, one three, Dylan at Dilly Willie fifteen 892 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: that is some Twitter handle. Do you think Jenkins will 893 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: shadow Michael Thomas for the games? Sunday. Now here's why 894 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: I think this is a really good question, Paul. As 895 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: I mentioned, they've been lining up Michael Thomas a lot 896 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: out of this slot. I wonder if the Saints are 897 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna do that to see whether or not Jenkins is 898 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna run with him early in the game. Because if 899 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: you move him into the slot, do the Giants say, hey, 900 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: now we're gonna move b w Eb around and Donte 901 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: Dion or we're just gonna say, hey, Jenkins, you're assigned 902 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: to him. I'm not so sure that they're gonna move 903 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 1: him everywhere. If Thomas lines up in the slot, they 904 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: might do that. That is the Saints just to see 905 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: what's going on, and then as a set up for 906 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: what they might want to do later in the game. 907 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 1: In other words, slot him out a couple of times early, 908 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: then get away from it, and then maybe in the 909 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: third or fourth quarter if they need a drive, all 910 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they throw them back in there because 911 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: they think they know how the Giants are going to react. 912 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: Teams will do that. Um, I will say this, I 913 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: gotta hunch the Giants won't shadow him. Just the hunch, 914 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: because UM, last week in Houston, did you notice Michael 915 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: Thomas came out as the extra defensive back in the 916 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: sub package to start that game. Thomas is a safety 917 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: by trade. You like him a lot. I do off 918 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 1: his days with the Dolphin, and I think he's proven 919 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: that so far. Yes, And what they did was they 920 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: used him in the sub package as the nickel, if 921 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: you will, a three safety package, um, and he was 922 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: taken care of the guy in the slot, but he 923 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: was coming down and charging the line to help and 924 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: run support. Now, the reason I like that is because 925 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: Donte Dion, who I think has coverage skills in the slot, 926 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: is such a small guy that even though he plays 927 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: bigger than he is, he's a small guy and to 928 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: put him in a situation where he's got to do 929 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: run support out of the slot is not the best 930 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: way to go. So I thought it was very interesting 931 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: how they brought Michael Thomas into that role. First time 932 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: we'd seen that. By the way, we did not see 933 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: that in camp, we did not see that in the preseason, 934 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: we did not see that in the first two regular 935 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: season games. And all of a sudden, they come out 936 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: opening up against the Chexans and in Houston's first offensive possession, 937 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: there's Mike Thomas in the slot on the right side 938 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: of the offense, and you know I was doing sideline 939 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: for Ray you and I and I told smelk up 940 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: in the booth, I said, do you see this? We 941 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: hadn't seen that before. That's new. Well, I'm part of that, 942 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure as be as Eli Apple didn't play. So 943 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: that was the difference between the first two games versus 944 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: the third game. But we don't know exactly what Apple 945 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: status is now. But you gotta wonder Thomas was effective 946 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: and run support. He did a solid job. That might 947 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: be something we see more of going forward, even if 948 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: Apple was back. And I've said this even when he 949 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: joined the roster. You know, everybody looks at him as 950 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: a special teamer and he's been one of the best 951 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: special teamers in the NFL. But there's more to Michael Thomas. 952 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: That story where the Dolphins picked him up from the 953 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: Niners practice squad. I've told this a few times on 954 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: this show. And they have very few days to learn 955 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,439 Speaker 1: the scheme. He specifically, they're playing the New England Patriots too, 956 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: so it's a huge divisional game and Michael Thomas winds 957 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: up getting the game ceiling interception in the end zone 958 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: off of Tom Brady that week. So the guy could 959 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: play defense. He could be put in various roles and thrive. 960 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: Though I think it's fast dating and I don't know 961 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: if you've looked at it through this lines. Are you 962 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: telling us we could have Michael Thomas against Michael Thomas 963 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: this weekend? Have you given that much thought? It's just gone, 964 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 1: we could have Michael Thomas on Michael Thomas. How about 965 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 1: them apples? Ponder that? Okay, I mean mine blowing stuff here, 966 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: big blue kick off, live pass intended for Thomas tackle 967 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: by time. That may be something very interesting to watch. Yes, 968 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 1: from a broadcasting standpoint, not necessarily fun, but oh I'm 969 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: sure he will. Yes, it will have fun breaking it 970 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 1: down and analyze. But you know, to be serious, the 971 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: one thing you know about Thomas you cannot have a 972 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: reputation as a good special teams player unless you hit. 973 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: So you know he will hit. Guys embraces the physicality 974 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: of the game, no doubt about that. Let's head back 975 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: to the phone lines. We got coach Marvin and Delaware 976 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: coach Marvin. What's happening? What coach doing very well? What's 977 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: happening with you. What do you got for us? A 978 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: real quick um, that's gonna be a tough game for 979 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: them defensively on all levels. The front of the front 980 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: seven guys in that back four is gonna have a 981 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: difficult time time. My real concern is that the free 982 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: safety start rally has been playing pecent but he's been 983 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: making some really tough angles on some place that you're 984 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: right and and that concerns me in this particular game, 985 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: that you cannot let guys get behind you in this game, 986 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,280 Speaker 1: they they're gonna stretch the field and Breeze will find 987 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: them if they're open. Um. My other thing is I'm 988 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 1: very upbeat about Dion. I think everybody's talking about his side. 989 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: Sometimes yes, sides do play, but you know, you can 990 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: never never measure a person's heart. This guy's heart is 991 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: really big. And the one and the one thing I 992 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: like about them that I really love that if they 993 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 1: can then plant that into Apple, you've got an all 994 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: prow is he plays the ball so well regardless of 995 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: who he's playing, and I think him in the slot, 996 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm very encouraged with him in this lot, 997 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: more so than Web, even though Web plays well too. 998 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: But I just think that I think Beyond would take 999 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,720 Speaker 1: that challenge of this guy. He just has that orror 1000 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: about them that's similar. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it, 1001 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: that's similar to Baker makefield stuff. It's the order that 1002 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,359 Speaker 1: they bring to the game and that excitement that they 1003 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: bring to the game that they're playing and they and 1004 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: they love playing the game. And Beyond half that, well, 1005 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know what he's got coach that that 1006 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand because they don't have 1007 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,959 Speaker 1: his physical shortcomings. And I'm not trying to be funny, lance, 1008 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: but honest to goodness, because Dion is smaller than most 1009 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: guys on the field, and on most Sundays he may 1010 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: be the smallest guy on the field. He has a 1011 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,479 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder about that. And he's not gonna 1012 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,359 Speaker 1: be picked because he's small. And he's gonna go out 1013 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: there and he's gonna play with the heart, the intensity 1014 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: and the emotion and the physicality and give you everything 1015 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: that a six ft two pound defensive back would give 1016 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: you because that's how he has to overcome his physical deficiencies. 1017 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: And and you're right, his heart is the size of 1018 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: an elephant and he's always around the ball. He's got 1019 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: tremendous instinks, he's got quickness. Look when I watched his 1020 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: tape at Boise State, and I told everybody that the 1021 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: second the Giant signed as a free agent, I said, 1022 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: that is my dark horse to make this team. You remember, 1023 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the show a long time. I 1024 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,240 Speaker 1: love the kid. I love the kid. I absolutely loved 1025 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: his tape because he doesn't play to his sides. He 1026 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: plays above his sides, and he's fearless about it. He 1027 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: doesn't care if you line up a six ft two 1028 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,280 Speaker 1: six ft three receiver opposite him and he knows physically 1029 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: it's a mismatch. He doesn't care. His attitude is I'm 1030 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: gonna find a way to make the play anyway. Now. 1031 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: The of him is there will be times he's in 1032 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: over his head and the water is too deep and 1033 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna get burned. And we've seen that happen, but 1034 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,919 Speaker 1: it won't be for lack of effort, because he's gonna 1035 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: try well. That's why you put him in a position 1036 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: where you think he can thrive. That's the key. I 1037 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: remember when Spaggs was here as the defensive coordinator. We've 1038 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: told this story too. We'll let you continue Coach Marvin 1039 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: in a second here when they had the preseason game 1040 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 1: against the Buffalo Bills and they had a few corners. 1041 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 1: I think got heard Dion was thrown in a tough 1042 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: position against the taller Bills wide receiver and what did 1043 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 1: they do boundary correct They immediately went to him in 1044 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: the end zone and they caught a touchdown. So you 1045 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: put him in a position where he could thrive. To 1046 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 1: your point, he's got great instincts, he's got good speed, 1047 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,880 Speaker 1: and he's got a knack for being around the football. 1048 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: He certainly has a track worker where he can make 1049 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: him come up with big plays. You just need to 1050 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: make sure within the scheme you put him in a 1051 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: position where he could do those things. And I agree 1052 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: with that with that man. He also got to remember, 1053 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,879 Speaker 1: this guy is him hanging around with three different coaches there. 1054 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: He hadn't because he can play. Let him play. Everybody 1055 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: out there is gonna have mismatches and you don't have 1056 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: the speed, you don't have the side, or you may 1057 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: not have a good enough ability to play some of 1058 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: these receivers. But this guy he plays, he's going to 1059 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: give you a hundred per cents every time. That's all 1060 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,800 Speaker 1: I can ask for. Somebody over jumped him, don't be it? 1061 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,439 Speaker 1: Well happen? Do you know why? Coach Marvin coach Coach 1062 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: Shermer said it best the other day, He's always around 1063 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: the ball. He just seems to have a knack for 1064 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: being around the ball. Look, Carrie win strips detextions uh 1065 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: ver the ball carrier. The other day Dot de Dion 1066 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: comes up with the funnel recovery. Not a pick, what 1067 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: a funnel recovery? One? And then I didn't need to 1068 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: catch off pall. He almost had an interception in the 1069 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: Dallas game. I mean here his hands in the end zone. Yeah, 1070 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. And and I put that challenge. 1071 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: Put Thomas out there. You have Jenkins can play him. 1072 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: But I put my uh my experience of coaching these 1073 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 1: guys of what I can see. Now, I'm not no expert, 1074 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: because my heart tells me this. I say Thomas, and 1075 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: I bet anybody that Dion will play this card. He 1076 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: will play Thomas no matter where he goes. I think 1077 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you and they shouldn't be afraid to coach. 1078 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this he'll stick with him. I guarantee 1079 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 1: you he if he's on him, he will stick with 1080 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: him like fly paper. He can cover. The question, of 1081 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: course becomes And this is the problem with Thomas. As 1082 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: I've heard from from players and from coaches, He's got 1083 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,880 Speaker 1: very strong hands and he will win that fifty fifty 1084 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: ball almost every time. And that's gonna be where Dante 1085 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,399 Speaker 1: Dion is gonna be climbing up hill, because to win 1086 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty ball against Thomas is gonna be hard 1087 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: to do. See, Michael Thomas is Dante Dion's heart in 1088 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: a wide receiver's bottle body, excuse me, because he's very 1089 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,760 Speaker 1: strong and he pursues the football, does not give up plays. 1090 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: But I can agree with the fifth the fifty ball, 1091 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: but it is not It looks like a nine probably 1092 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: is usually makes Yeah, he favors it for his wide receiver. 1093 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: And it doesn't hurt that Thomas is also six three too, 1094 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: so you know that that adds a little bit more 1095 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: of an advantage to the wide receiver. And Jenkins Jenkins, 1096 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: Jenkins is about five certainly bigger than Dante, but he's 1097 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: not bigger than No No, so Thomas also. But but 1098 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,400 Speaker 1: you know what, you know what Jack Rabbit could do 1099 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: if he's in that matchup, he can get physical with him. 1100 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: Jenks got a little more meat, and he's he's got 1101 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: a frame. He's got a frame that can give Thomas 1102 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: some some chucking at the line of scrimmage and and 1103 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,120 Speaker 1: give him difficulty on the release, don't they, Dion. That's 1104 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: one thing about him. He's gonna have to rely on 1105 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,799 Speaker 1: his coverage skill is because he's not going to be 1106 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,759 Speaker 1: able to impede or release with this small size. All right, 1107 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: I agree with both of you on that. The physicality, yes, 1108 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: but I still believe in him. But before I go 1109 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: real quick, my last statement is three weeks ago, I said, 1110 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: Willow's agent or the coaches just tell him to get ready, 1111 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: and they put him out there. I mean he did, Okay. 1112 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,479 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not gonna slam Flowers again. I agree 1113 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: with the coach. I'm just giving Willer a chance. That's 1114 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: the way people need to look at this. You can't 1115 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: throw Flowers away. You gotta give Willer a chance. And 1116 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: if he doesn't, and you're back to your back to 1117 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: Flowers giving Flowers a chance against some way or another. 1118 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: So well, Flowers is the third tackle. So they absolutely 1119 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 1: need him because they need him as an insurance policy. 1120 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 1: So he has an extreme amount of value on this roster. 1121 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Coach Marvin, let you go 1122 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,520 Speaker 1: on that note. Appreciate the phone call you got it. 1123 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: I think though it's important and John and I emphasized 1124 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: this on Monday show, and I just want to continue 1125 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: you to say this, do not throw out the narrative 1126 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: that Wheeler came in, Flowers went out, and the offensive 1127 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 1: line magically improved because, as Paul you mentioned, John Greco 1128 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: to me played a significant role given the fact that 1129 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,600 Speaker 1: he was in for a full game. There were two 1130 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: changes on the offensive line, and there were none of 1131 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: those miscommunication breakdowns of picking up what the opposition was doing, 1132 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: which was happening in the Dallas game, and it wasn't 1133 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: necessarily happening with Eric Flowers. Eric Flowers, I thought, held 1134 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: his own with DeMarcus Lawrence throughout the course of that game. 1135 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: So to me, it happened to be coincidental where the 1136 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 1: one game Flowers didn't play, the Giants offensive line held 1137 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,320 Speaker 1: up for the most part, did enough to win the 1138 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: football game. But to say that everything is magically better 1139 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: without him is extremely misleading. I agree with you a 1140 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: thousand percent. And by the way, again, as we said 1141 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,320 Speaker 1: at the start of the program, Texans didn't do much 1142 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: stunt then exactly, they didn't pose the same challenge scabatically, 1143 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 1: they did not pose the same challenge that Dallas did. 1144 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: Let's see what the Saints decide to do again, It's 1145 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: not in their nature to do that, so I think 1146 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: they'll play more straight up, I think, which would be 1147 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: to the Giants advantage. Well, and here's another thing to 1148 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 1: look at and listen in these based defenses their short 1149 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 1: lived because normally most defenses are gonna go into those 1150 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: nickel formations where they change personnel. But Houston was a 1151 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: three or four defense, whereas now you're seeing. You know, 1152 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: New Orleans will mix and match, but they basically have 1153 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 1: a four or three or four three for the most part. 1154 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: So you know, when you take that into consideration, could 1155 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 1: they then mimic what Dallas did because of the similar 1156 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,720 Speaker 1: front that Dallas presented. That's maybe something to throw out 1157 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: there if indeed they're looking to duplicate that. Just another 1158 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,439 Speaker 1: thought in terms of the different schemes that you're gonna 1159 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 1: see week to week. And New Orleans is obviously completely 1160 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 1: different than what Houston's front provides. It's not something they 1161 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 1: usually do, so if they want to get uncomfortable. That's 1162 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: why the Giants are actually in a decent position, because 1163 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,040 Speaker 1: what they have shown an achilles heel to have is 1164 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: not something that New Orleans does on a normal basis. 1165 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: So New Orleans will have to go out of the 1166 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: box to attack the Giants in that way, which, for 1167 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: all we know, quick leave them vulnerable to the run. Listen, 1168 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,560 Speaker 1: it's pick your poison type of thing. They compliment each 1169 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: other the secondary in the defensive line. If you overpursuit 1170 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: with one, you're gonna leave the other element out to drive. 1171 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: And if you overpursue with Barkley, you'll pay for it. Yes, 1172 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: you're you overpursue with Beckham, you'll pay for it too. 1173 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: But here's the other thing, which you wonder, how creative 1174 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 1: can they truly get, Paul considering this is a week 1175 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: where they just lost their starting slot corner at Patrick Robinson, 1176 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 1: So how many chances do they truly want to take 1177 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: knowing that you're gonna throw a new guy into the slot. 1178 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Not necessarily a new guy to the team, but somebody 1179 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 1: you weren't lining up there consistently. J Williams more of 1180 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: an outside This is already this season, So you're doing 1181 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,520 Speaker 1: that now on top of maybe adopting stunts. I'd be 1182 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: very surprised if that happens. I'm not saying that you 1183 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: were laying out that that is going to happen, but 1184 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I just don't know how many things they want to 1185 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: roll out with the dice here this week, given the 1186 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: fact that they lost some personnel in the process. A 1187 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 1: reminder Big Blue Kigoff Live present to buy Corps Light, 1188 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,160 Speaker 1: download the cours Light Rewards app to win Amazing Giants 1189 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 1: prizes throughout the season. Appreciate all the phone calls, all 1190 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the tweets as well. We'll continue to interact with you 1191 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: off the air. Big Blue Kickoff Live back up and 1192 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 1: running tomorrow at one thirty pm Eastern as we get 1193 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 1: you set for the Saints and the Giants Sunday, four 1194 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: pm Eastern. Our pregame show will start to ten pm 1195 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Eastern on w CBS News Radio eighty for Paul to Tino, 1196 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm lancetto and join the rest of your Thursday and 1197 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: stay locked. Two Giants dot Com have a go on,