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Speaker 1: You're listening the Draftings Network.

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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get.

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Speaker 3: Enough of him. Let's hear that both the next big.

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Speaker 5: Job there Cooktuffia, PreK beer Rock.

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Speaker 6: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Ennick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Oh, going to be with you. April Fools Day, What

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Speaker 1: a stupid fucking holiday. Monday, April first, twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: at is episode four seventy eight of the Anak and

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Speaker 1: Florian podcast presented by DraftKings Ken Flow. You don't strike

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Speaker 1: me as a big April Fools guy. I was trying

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Speaker 1: to drum up something to do to my daughters today

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Speaker 1: and my eldest Riley, was like, hey, daddy, can you

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Speaker 1: do something about with us for April Fool's Day? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, beat me to the punch, Kenny,

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Speaker 1: any any April Fools bones in your body or what not?

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Speaker 5: Really? Kid? I remember when I was a kid. I

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Speaker 5: used to you know, like they have like the sink

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Speaker 5: and then they have that like the spray hose. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: sit next to it. I used to tape down, you know,

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Speaker 5: the handle there so that when you turned on the

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Speaker 5: sink it would kind of spray everywhere. That was kind

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Speaker 5: of my April Fool's joke. But I haven't done that for, like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, thirty years. So I got nothing for you.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: My kids are you know. My daughter kind of wants

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Speaker 5: to start doing some April Fools jokes, but I'm not

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Speaker 5: really about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should mess with the sink today for the

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Speaker 1: first time in thirty years. So I'm an identical twin,

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Speaker 1: as most of our listenership knows, right, So when you're

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Speaker 1: an identical twin, every day's April Fool's Day, right, you

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Speaker 1: could just mess with people all the time, right. I

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Speaker 1: mean how many times you think Jason and I have

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Speaker 1: been asked like, hey, do you guys ever mess with people?

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Speaker 1: Or did you just did you ever mess with girls

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Speaker 1: or teachers back in the day? You know, No, I'm

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Speaker 1: not much of an April Fool's Day guy, So I

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Speaker 1: didn't leverage being an identical twin fuck with people all

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Speaker 1: the time. So I did a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I think Kenny knows this. I did get Bruce

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Speaker 1: Buffer pretty good. So it was actually during the pandemic

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Speaker 1: and I was playing online poker, not as much as

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Speaker 1: Bruce Buffer maybe thought I was playing. But I called

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Speaker 1: him on April Fool's Day from my minivan. I was

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Speaker 1: in the minivan game at the time, and I said, hey, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just take it on the chin poker

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Speaker 1: not good, get a little out of control. And he's like, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: how about you, Loise? It's like ten k? He said, oh,

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Speaker 1: john you know, like as if I had lost ten

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars the night before. And I know our viewership

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Speaker 1: a lot of big spectrum in terms of the means

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Speaker 1: out there, but for me, losing ten k would be

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Speaker 1: a big fucking loss, right, And Buff's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 8: And I was like, now, April Fools, buddy, I just

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Speaker 8: lost it, you know, eight hundred bucks. So yeah, not

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Speaker 8: much of an April Fool's Day guy. I did not

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Speaker 8: intend to open the show that way, but we have

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Speaker 8: a lot to get into today before I get into

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Speaker 8: the mixed martial arts, and I don't want to offend

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Speaker 8: you like I do right Longo. Sometimes when when I

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Speaker 8: talk about things that aren't MMA related, but am I

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Speaker 8: allowed to ask you how your weekend was.

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Speaker 1: Are you on testosteral replacement therapy? I mean, Cody, look

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Speaker 1: at this fucking guy.

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Speaker 5: Oh come on, I mean agatting getting pretty checked now,

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Speaker 5: conditioning now a little bit. I didn't do today, tomorrow

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Speaker 5: tomorrow strength and strength and conditioning day. I I'm eating

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Speaker 5: like crap though, kid, that's the problem. I don't have

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Speaker 5: great discipline with my diet. So it's probably more uh

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Speaker 5: like fat than muscle to beyond.

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Speaker 1: So is it like baked goods? Is it just savory

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Speaker 1: like meals? You just like, don't don't you know, prevent

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Speaker 1: yourself from eating things? What's what's out of control with

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Speaker 1: the I think it's a sweet.

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Speaker 5: Tooth like you know, my wife will come home like cookies, doughnuts,

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Speaker 5: you know, bread stuff like that. Like I'm a bread

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Speaker 5: and sweetskuy so uh not good not good choo cookies.

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Speaker 1: Chocolate yeah yeah, I have that dot chocolate right in

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Speaker 1: that the healthy kind of chocolate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean for me, the Florida orange juice is very

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Speaker 1: hard to avoid down here for sure. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to not drink gatorade. Not drink fucking gatorade zero

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Speaker 1: sugar and trying not to alienate our young listeners by

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Speaker 1: swearing every other word. I'm trying not to drink diet coke.

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Speaker 1: I do notice like I went no juice January, no soda,

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Speaker 1: no juice, and you know I lost like four pounds,

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Speaker 1: Like right? Nice, Well, I'd love to get into today

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Speaker 1: it furo? Truly don't care much, but Saudi Arabia has

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Speaker 1: a main event. Kenny June twenty second, the Combat Sports

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Speaker 1: Leader descends upon Saudi Arabia and your main event, Robert

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Speaker 1: Whittaker versus Kamzat Chimaya Middleweight title eliminator, and I am

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Speaker 1: very excited for that fight.

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Oh, that's a main event, kid, I love it.

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Speaker 5: I love it. That's fantastic fight, very interesting fight as well. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: have a guy in Robert Whittaker who was so experienced,

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Speaker 5: who really knows how to manage his energy over the

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Speaker 5: course of five rounds. For the most part, former champion

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Speaker 5: and certainly a tremendous gauge as far as skill level

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Speaker 5: and experience to see where Hamzat Chimaya is as a

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Speaker 5: obviously Hamzat has tremendous power, He has a pace that

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Speaker 5: he have the pace, does he have the experience? Does

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Speaker 5: he have the wrestling to do that to someone like

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Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker, I don't know. And the fact that Robert

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Speaker 5: Whittaker is taking this fight after perhaps not having the

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Speaker 5: in his last fight or two fights ago against drickis

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Speaker 5: I'm fascinated by the fight. This is big, and I

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Speaker 5: think this is the main event that a lot of

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Speaker 5: people were kind to ask him.

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Speaker 1: So first, let's talk about Robert Whittaker. If we could

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Speaker 1: win over Paolo Costa February seventeenth at UFC two ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: against Paolo Costa, a riveting win and performance, he has

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Speaker 1: Kamzat Chimayev. So I love this for Robert Whittaker, certainly

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Speaker 1: if he's going to state his case for a championship opportunity,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect opponent for Robert to do

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Speaker 1: of work. It really is pretty incredible to think about

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Speaker 1: you and I relatively young at the time on the

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Speaker 1: as Robert Whittaker at twenty one, twenty two years of

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Speaker 5: It's amazing, and I'm not surprised. I remember, I think

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Speaker 5: What was he nineteen twenty years old? I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I forget what it was. He was in his early twenties,

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Speaker 1: So Hamzatschimaya of the other side of this equation seven

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Speaker 1: middleweight title shot. You beat Robert Whitaker and you can

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Speaker 1: immediately state your case. So what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: this fight from hamzat Chimayav's perspective? Competitively inside the octagon

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of people who have thinks

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Speaker 5: And I think that's kind of the ultimate sign of

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Speaker 5: there is no discussion after that. Really. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker, he should be the next in line to

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Speaker 5: fight for the belt at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

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Speaker 5: And yes, I know there's a lot of other guys

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Speaker 5: hams At Chimayev has been knocking on that door for

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Speaker 5: a little bit now. Getting over a win over Kamara

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Speaker 5: Uzman is still impressive, even though it was at one

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Speaker 1: All right, that's your main event for Saudi Arabia and

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Speaker 1: can we put some respect on the name Kevin Holland

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Speaker 1: for fighting Kamsa Chimayav on one day's notice. But that

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Speaker 1: is an incredible, incredible main event and it remains to

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Speaker 1: be seen as to which direction they will go when

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Speaker 1: it comes to drinkis du plus C and his first

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Speaker 1: Middleway Championship title defense. Sean Strickland Israel atas Sonia looks

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Speaker 1: like can flow UFC three h five Perth, Western Australia,

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Speaker 1: August eighteenth or so. If I'm duplus C, it's like

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go. I mean, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know geographically. I do know that Perth is as far

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Speaker 1: of South Florida. Forgive my geographical ignorance. I think I

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Speaker 1: changed schools for eighth grade and I missed geography. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, where's Perth Western Australian relation to South Africa.

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Speaker 4: You you got to move on that.

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Speaker 1: I can talk about you. I would like to talk

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Speaker 1: host of Serious XM Fight Nations, Unlocking the Cage. The

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that and I get to announce it now.

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Speaker 9: Also as of today, playbuff Hay, commentator for Probox TV.

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Speaker 9: So I'm jumping into and boxing. Got that gig signed

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, So always be closing, continues to be closing and

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Speaker 1: continue with the preak. Well that's good that that takes

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Speaker 1: So how is life? Are you still in to tell Florida?

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Speaker 1: How's fatherhood and all that?

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Speaker 9: But yeah, keeping up with training and all the fun stuff,

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Speaker 1: So it's not because you praised Kenny Florian that we

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Speaker 1: Hey, my twin brother was like, maybe you should gi

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Speaker 5: Forget I'll never forget weighing in and doing the face

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Speaker 5: great tomorrow. And I get in the cage and I

433
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Speaker 5: look across and I'm going, who the hell is that guy?

434
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Speaker 5: It looked like he tripled in size, and I'm like,

435
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Speaker 5: oh God, what did I do? What did I do?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 9: And one of those guys men you feel and there

438
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Speaker 9: are certain guys like they look strong, like Jacka. I

439
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Speaker 9: got to stream with jockad A and then you grab him,

440
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Speaker 9: you go, oh my god, he's strong. He looks you

441
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Speaker 9: look strong, and you're stronger than that in real life. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: I'm sure Sean Shak must have been one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Jesus.

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Speaker 5: Fortunately he was just as strong as he looked. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he was very strong, unreal So what do you think

446
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Speaker 5: about this main event? And do you think that field

447
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Speaker 5: All or Fuere can be a champion of that division?

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Speaker 4: She can.

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Speaker 9: The problem is the ones at the top, and I

450
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Speaker 9: mean that by Alexa Goossom, Valtinshichanko can do everything, and

451
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Speaker 9: they do it really, really well. I think I think

452
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Speaker 9: the problem we saw with it with Aaron Blanchell is, yeah,

453
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Speaker 9: you have a great ground game, you really do have that.

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Speaker 9: The rest of the MMA mix isn't quite developed one

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Speaker 9: hundred percent. And you're in the top five. And the

456
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Speaker 9: way I look at it at this level is playoff football, like, Okay, wow,

457
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Speaker 9: you're fourteen and two in the regular season. That's great, wonderful, fabulous.

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Speaker 9: Can you beat the playoff teams that can do a

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Speaker 9: lot of things? They'll find the weaknesses in your game.

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Speaker 9: And the problem with Valentina and Alexa Goswa's they don't

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Speaker 9: have a lot of weaknesses in their game. Fear all

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Speaker 9: can I don't think a lot of fighters let her

463
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Speaker 9: bounce in and out. Where she's really at her best

464
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Speaker 9: is bouncing around on the outside. She's quick, she has

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Speaker 9: a good right hand, good lead power punches, but no

466
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Speaker 9: one's gonna let her stay at sniper's range the whole time.

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Speaker 9: Once she gets past to that next level, you know,

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Speaker 9: obviously a title contender, the current champion, whoever she fights next,

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Speaker 9: isn't going to allow her that distance the entire time.

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Speaker 4: To get windows of it. Right. And I think that's

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Speaker 4: just across sports period, is the windows of opportunity to

472
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Speaker 4: get get smaller and smaller and smaller, right college.

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Speaker 9: To the pros to the super Bowl. And it's the

474
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Speaker 9: same thing in MMA. And so that's what we're looking at,

475
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Speaker 9: is how many fighters are going to let her stay

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Speaker 9: at her range that she wants from here on out.

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Speaker 5: I know, obviously we have USC three hundred coming up,

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Speaker 5: but I guess we can go a little bit past

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Speaker 5: that for whatever whatever has been announced. But what's the

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Speaker 5: fight out there that you're most excited about.

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Speaker 9: Here's an interesting one that I find intriguing, and I'll

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Speaker 9: explain why. Bow nichols next fight will test whether anyone

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Speaker 9: can have an international wrestling career and have time to

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Speaker 9: get good in MMA. And I think that's kind of

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Speaker 9: on trial. And I think a lot of people don't

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Speaker 9: realize it that, you know, there was a time in

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Speaker 9: the early days of MMA where you could have, you know,

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Speaker 9: college wrestling and then you could have an international career

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Speaker 9: and you're twenty seven, twenty eight and you could go

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Speaker 9: to MMA and do well. Now you're hearing a lot

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Speaker 9: of guys go I got to choose between making a

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Speaker 9: run at the Olympics or MMA.

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Speaker 4: You can't do both because now.

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Speaker 9: A twenty seven year old wrestler, I don't care how

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Speaker 9: good you are that skill set of having to pick

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Speaker 9: all that up, you don't have the years to do it.

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Speaker 9: Now people are talking about Henry Zudo. Henry Hudo never

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Speaker 9: wrestled in college. He fought in he in fight, he

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Speaker 9: competed in the Olympics. He's twenty one, so he had

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Speaker 9: time to turn around and have an MMA career. Bow

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Speaker 9: Nickel had a bit of an a national career. He

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Speaker 9: ran into you know, David Taylors, who's never gonna make

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Speaker 9: an Olympic team, So then he came back to MMA.

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Speaker 9: Whether somebody can have that full international career and be

505
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Speaker 9: twenty six twenty seven ago, I'll try MMA. Bow Nichol

506
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Speaker 9: is testing that right now, and his success will determine

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Speaker 9: whether or not other people Gable Steveson's of the world

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Speaker 9: who want to do well Internashley and they want to

509
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Speaker 9: continue a little bit longer do that or they come

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Speaker 9: to MMA. So to me, that's why that fight is

511
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Speaker 9: so intriguing to me. Can somebody do it coming in

512
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Speaker 9: comparatively late like they could ten fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: We were talking last week about a select few UFC

514
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Speaker 1: athletes Kamzat Chimaya, bow Nickel. I even talked about Raoul

515
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Speaker 1: Rosas junior as just having this electricity about them. Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't even bat an eye when Bonnicol was leading

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Speaker 1: off the pay per view Jimmy Smith, because I don't

518
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Speaker 1: care who he headlines or excuse me, who he fights against.

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Speaker 1: When Bonnickel makes that walk in front of a pay

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Speaker 1: per view audience, in front of that audience at T

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Speaker 1: Mobile Arena, I don't know, man, He's on the short

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Speaker 1: list for me of guys that just take it to

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Speaker 1: that next level.

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Speaker 9: No promoter got rich telling you what to watch. They

525
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Speaker 9: get rich reacting to what you you respond to, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: you know. And I was in the WW when when

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Speaker 9: you know, you know, Vince mcmam would.

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Speaker 4: Go how shows go this weekend? And they went, well,

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Speaker 4: so and so's really getting over. They really like him? Okay,

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Speaker 4: turn him face, that's it. It's how are the fans

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Speaker 4: reacting to him?

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Speaker 3: They like this?

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Speaker 5: All right?

534
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Speaker 4: Keep doing that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah right, and you know it's not No, We're gonna

536
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Speaker 9: make sure they fit this mold that we want the

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Speaker 9: crowd wants this, give them that, okay, and that's the

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Speaker 9: end of the decision process.

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Speaker 4: You know so many bands. It's hilarious to me. Why

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Speaker 4: doesn't this person who deserves or earns or right and wrong? Hey,

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Speaker 4: how who are the fans responding to this?

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Speaker 9: They're not as good Joe, you know what, and set

543
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Speaker 9: fire to it because that doesn't draw money. What draws

544
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Speaker 9: money is fans reaction to bon Nickel, as you said,

545
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Speaker 9: has that charisma right now? It's a matter of how

546
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Speaker 9: far can he go? That's an academic discussion that is

547
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Speaker 9: much much deeper. How far can kamzas sham I have

548
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Speaker 9: go when he has trouble past the second round? Those

549
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Speaker 9: are tactical discussions that are very different than what do

550
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Speaker 9: fans react to because they react to bon Nickel, Kamsatshamaia,

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Speaker 9: Robald rossas studient.

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Speaker 1: For sure, some some fans suggest or some pundit suggests

553
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Speaker 1: that Kayla Harrison, Alex Podata, bon Nickel high level specialists

554
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Speaker 1: really seem to attract and have sort of a magneticism

555
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Speaker 1: with the fan base. Do you subscribe to that theory

556
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Speaker 1: at all?

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Speaker 4: There's a can they do it here? Attitude?

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Speaker 9: Right then, they've been really dominant. Yeah, and when two

559
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Speaker 9: Olympic gold medals in judo, can you do it here?

560
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Speaker 9: And there's that that idea of the unknown of they

561
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Speaker 9: didn't come up through this sport necessarily, and so it's

562
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Speaker 9: a little bit of a throwback. It's a little bit

563
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Speaker 9: of a can they duplicate this? And I think that

564
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Speaker 9: question in people's minds means a lot.

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Speaker 4: Also, they are used.

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Speaker 9: To a microphone in your face at the Olympics. They

567
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Speaker 9: are used to high level competition where you know a

568
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Speaker 9: lot of people that came up through MMA and you

569
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Speaker 9: know you're finding a local show and you're suddenly in

570
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Speaker 9: the UFC. You don't necessarily have the gift of gab,

571
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Speaker 9: you don't have the charisma, you're not used to this

572
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Speaker 9: high level stuff.

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Speaker 4: Bo Nickel against.

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Speaker 9: Iowa Pin the guy with a splatle and jumped up

575
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Speaker 9: and went, yeah, Iowa crowd, you know that you're used

576
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Speaker 9: to that pressure.

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Speaker 4: You used to that kind of thing out.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, That's the thing I think that you know, if

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Speaker 5: you ask any college wrestler over the last you know,

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Speaker 5: ten or fifteen years, any college wrestling fan, Hey, do

581
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Speaker 5: you know who Bo Nichol is? Yeah? Absolutely, they know

582
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Speaker 5: who Boon Nichol is. So they're going to turn in

583
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Speaker 5: to watch see how this wrestler that they followed for years,

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Speaker 5: uh does an MMA saying if you do judo, do

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Speaker 5: you know who Kayla Harrison is? Yeah? I know who

586
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Speaker 5: Kayla Harrison is? Right, dude, do you know you know

587
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Speaker 5: if you follow kickbox and you're a Kickbox your new

588
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Speaker 5: Alex Pereira. Yeah. So they bring in everybody from their

589
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 5: sport right to go in and watch, and that's a

590
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Speaker 5: big reason for it as well, for sure.

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Speaker 9: And I think the MMA fans go like, who is

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Speaker 9: this person who's so big in this thing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Necutive, which is a positive. Yeah, you know the lot

595
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Speaker 9: of people I didn't watch wrestling. Who's this bon Nickel?

596
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Speaker 9: I hope he gets smashed? P who has I love it? Man,

597
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Speaker 9: love me, hate me, don't ignore me. Is what these

598
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Speaker 9: guys bring, because either you're a fan of them from

599
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Speaker 9: before or you don't know who they are and why they're.

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Speaker 4: Getting all this hype.

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Speaker 9: Every time I see the hate for bon Nickel, you know,

602
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Speaker 9: opening up, you'll see three hundred. I go, you're writing

603
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Speaker 9: him a check right now, You're writing him check with your.

604
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Speaker 4: Hatred, And it's great. And if you're if you're a

605
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Speaker 4: you're a fighter, you got to know that. You gotta

606
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Speaker 4: know it.

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Speaker 1: Combat sports commentator Jimmy Smith willis here on the Anak

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Speaker 1: and Florian podcast. Are a former colleague. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know Ken Flow is this nice guy everybody loved.

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Speaker 1: You know, look at this asshole, Jimmy right, this is

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Speaker 1: his Oh, this is Kenny when he was like seventeen. Sorry, Kenny.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Mom, I don't want to go get my

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Speaker 1: picture taken for the soccer All Star team.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Late uberty. Huh late panty hitch, a little lad.

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Speaker 5: Everything in my life was late. It just has the

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Speaker 5: story of my life.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm going totally off topic here, but I

621
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Speaker 9: don't care. My family, my dad's side of the family.

622
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Speaker 9: I was talking to her, to my wife about She

623
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Speaker 9: would ask me these questions animals like full beards in

624
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Speaker 9: high school, hillbillies from kentucious animals.

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Speaker 4: And she goes, you know, like, it's weird. Our son

626
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Speaker 4: has these huge hands, these big feet.

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Speaker 9: I go, he's yeah, I go, you know, my daughter's four,

628
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Speaker 9: she's like this tall, towers over every other kid.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, my wife was is my height?

630
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Speaker 4: Damn near my height? And she was that tall at fourteen.

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Speaker 9: Right, and so we're just I'm like, oh my god,

632
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Speaker 9: my daughter's gonna look twenty.

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Speaker 4: She's me twelve.

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Speaker 9: I looked I look like this like in high school,

635
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Speaker 9: you know, I just kind of look like this.

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Speaker 4: And it's it has it.

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Speaker 9: It has its ups and it has its downs because

638
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Speaker 9: like grown men were like, I want to fight me,

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Speaker 9: and I'm assuming I was like thirty five.

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Speaker 4: No, dude, I'm sixteen, bro, Like, I mean, what are

641
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Speaker 4: you doing hanging out in high school?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 4: I go here, I go to school here. I don't

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Speaker 4: know what's tell you.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: Everything's packed up to me.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's fine, all right. So I want to throw

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Speaker 1: this one at you a couple more minutes here with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. So one of our longtime listeners, Bruce Marshall,

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Speaker 1: wrote me this question. And I've been accused of being

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Speaker 1: hyperbolic at times, and I think guilty as charged. Happy Eastern.

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Speaker 1: My one criticism of MMA is the hyperbole created at times,

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Speaker 1: like great respect for Luke and Buckley, but let's not

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Speaker 1: start anointing walking Buckley. The next one on that performance

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Speaker 1: rare athlete, but against better talent, I don't see great

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Speaker 1: success looking forward to the pros take and I think

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Speaker 1: Bruce has a long time listener. Jimmy is worried, and

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Speaker 1: probably it's well rooted that I'm going to come on

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Speaker 1: here today and be like, dude, I'm fucking telling you,

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Speaker 1: Walking Buckley's a man. Dude's gonna be you know. And

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Speaker 1: I do tend to sometimes get a little bit too

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Speaker 1: hyped and away from fact when I get excited about something.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of Walking Buckley? And what

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Speaker 1: do you make of that? As a greater theme?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 4: Number one?

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Speaker 9: I thought Walking Buckley had the best performance of his

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Speaker 9: career against the biggest veteran of his career. I think

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Speaker 9: Vicente Luke and we've all seen, all three of us

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Speaker 9: have seen it. Just leave me alone, right, There was

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Speaker 9: a little bit of just leave me alone. I didn't

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Speaker 9: get the sense of I can get in there this

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Speaker 9: young buck and I can do something. It was more

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Speaker 9: leave me alone and get out of my face and

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Speaker 9: I'll give up rounds. And I just saw the Senta

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Speaker 9: look not using his offenseive way he should. And if

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Speaker 9: you don't stop a guy like Walking Buckley, has an

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Speaker 9: incredible physical talent. He's confident, he's young, trying to build

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Speaker 9: his career. He's never gonna get off you, okay, number one.

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Speaker 9: Number two, it's our job as commentators to get you

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Speaker 9: excited about what you're seeing.

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Speaker 4: If we go over the.

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Speaker 9: Top, fine, it's an over cell is better than an

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Speaker 9: under cell. Yeah, we're going to oversell and then you

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Speaker 9: walk off the lot. That's not our problem. It's our

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Speaker 9: job to oh my god, this is amazing. You can agree,

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Speaker 9: you can disagree, but that moment of excitement is what

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Speaker 9: makes you watch the next fight, whether you agree with

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Speaker 9: me or not. So I hear that all the time, hyperbole.

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Speaker 9: He's over the top, dude, He's selling the excitement of

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Speaker 9: what is happening in front of you. And if you

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Speaker 9: disagree with it, fine, but it's always better to get

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Speaker 9: excited and hyped in that moment. There are all these

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Speaker 9: times like we're having right now, where we're going to

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Speaker 9: analyze like crazy and break it down. That is the

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Speaker 9: time for sober reflection during the fight itself. It is

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Speaker 9: our job to get you excited about what you're seeing.

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Speaker 9: So Annik, you do an amazing job with that one

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Speaker 9: hundred percent and there's no other way to say it.

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Speaker 1: You're the man. Jimmy Smith. You can listen to him

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Speaker 1: j Smith Mma. We might just have to create a

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Speaker 1: But we appreciate what I'm.

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Speaker 9: Talking you know, you know what it is. You already

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Speaker 9: know this, Okay, thank you. I'm here for you guys anytime.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate you both.

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Speaker 7: Everything's good, Everything's good. A great weekend, like to bang

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Speaker 7: out a couple of things, a couple of besides the fight,

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Speaker 7: some highlights, please, I tell you hanging out with Bisbee

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Speaker 7: to He's just my type of guy.

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Speaker 7: He's a fucking street guy through and through, tells it

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Speaker 7: when like he would come up to me, he got

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Speaker 7: to Whiteman to stop it. What the hell's going? He's

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Speaker 7: a guy that could insult me. I couldn't care because

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Speaker 7: I know it's so real and genuine that it's He's

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Speaker 7: just a good guy. So I had fun hanging out

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Speaker 7: with him, and then the night of a fight, seeing

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Speaker 7: Bert Watson while we will walking out. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 7: tell you, Kenny, unbelievable the impact that guy has on people,

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Speaker 7: you know, just through his integrity and character, and you

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Speaker 7: know Wideman, you know we brought him backstage. I mean

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Speaker 7: it was organic. It was beautiful, great to see the

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Speaker 7: guy still going, same energy he always had. And you know,

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Speaker 7: he shot me a text this morning, a beautiful text,

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Speaker 7: and I you know, I was gonna text him back,

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Speaker 7: and I got I can't even It'll take me three

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Speaker 7: right So I called him and I said, Bert, listen, man,

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Speaker 7: you know you're.

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Speaker 3: An impactful guy.

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Speaker 7: That you had that type of impact on everybody that

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Speaker 7: was at that fight. And just a beautiful conversation with

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Speaker 7: a guy we got to catch up. He's got a

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Speaker 7: book coming out, Being Bert Watson, I can't wait to

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Speaker 7: read it. You know, he gave me an insight to

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Speaker 7: some of the stories, the old stories we all love

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Speaker 7: to hear, and you know, actually motivated me to start

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Speaker 7: getting my ass and gear and putting some of the

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Speaker 7: good stories that you know we probably all.

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Speaker 3: Hold, maybe heard and maybe you know, add a little something.

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Speaker 7: But being Bert Watson, I mean, just getting off the

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Speaker 7: phone with the guy. Can't wait to see it. I

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Speaker 7: think it is out, so let's let's do it. Me

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Speaker 7: he's a legend. He's a legend, and he always held

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Speaker 7: to his character. It's not easy to do today, man,

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Speaker 7: loyal as they come. It's to me, it's inspirational and uh,

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Speaker 7: you know, like I told him, I said, Bert, I

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Speaker 7: going as a stand up guy. I don't really want

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Speaker 7: to compromise my principles. So all good stuff, man.

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Speaker 1: Look at yougo, similarly beloved to Bert Watson, ray Longo. Right,

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Speaker 1: A lot of love for you in Atlantic City, as expected.

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Speaker 1: Any haters out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, none. Really, are you upset?

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Speaker 7: No, Nony, he went from happy to you.

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Speaker 3: Sure it had to be what No, The love was unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: really unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Good all right, I don't even know where to begin today, Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Can you take the reins please, of this very long

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Speaker 1: ago a minute? I mean, let's start with Dennis Bozukia,

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Speaker 1: shall we, and then we can sort of ease into

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Speaker 1: you fucking cheaters. Okay, now, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 3: Don't put a damper on my day.

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Speaker 1: I'm joking around. I mean I could just sit here.

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Speaker 3: That was normal.

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Speaker 7: Now all the sudden with babies, Oh my god, we'll

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Speaker 7: get into that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if Dennis Bozukia took his strength

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Speaker 1: and conditioning to the next level or if I'm reading

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Speaker 1: too much into things, but he seemed to greet all

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Speaker 1: of the required offense and aggression to produce his first

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Speaker 1: UFC win, first UFC finish. I thought he had all

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Speaker 1: his weapons going and handled the different stances of his

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Speaker 1: opponent beautifully. I did think he gassed a little bit

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Speaker 1: there round two, but the finish came early round three,

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Speaker 1: so that's neither here nor there. Congratulations on a huge

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Speaker 1: win for dB.

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Speaker 3: Listen Azuka.

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Speaker 7: You know, like we see him in the gym, so

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Speaker 7: we know what he could do, but you know, when

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Speaker 7: it comes fight time, you got to be able to

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Speaker 7: do it. And I'm glad he was able to finally

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Speaker 5: What do you think the difference was in his performance,

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Speaker 5: because he looked sharp as a tech man.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: You know, he worked with Al Joe.

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866
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 7: had to get his head right. I mean, I said,

867
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 7: I said it on the week before, I said, Bizuka's

868
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 7: fighter is with Bizuka. It's not physically we know what

869
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 7: he could do. So whatever he did mentally to put

870
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 7: himself in a good spot, you know, he did. And

871
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 7: I think that's the type of performance you get. And

872
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 7: I think he had the right dance partner two So

873
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 7: I think everything aligned in the right way and it

874
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 7: ended up being a good night.

875
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 5: And Ray, you know, obviously you had two wins. All right, Yeah, Chris,

876
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 5: you know, regardless of the controversy here, I'll I'll let

877
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 5: John get into that. I'm sure he's got a lot

878
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: to ask you about that. But as far as how

879
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: he looked the techniques, the strategy, it seemed like the

880
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: mental game, everything seemed like it was better than I

881
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 5: have seen in a very very long time. So I

882
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 5: imagine you had to be happy with that.

883
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: Oh, extremely happy.

884
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 7: And first off, before we even get going, man, he's

885
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 7: been working with a guy down in Carolina, Jeff Jimo.

886
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 7: This guy is the definition of a trainer. I mean,

887
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 7: this guy, I don't know, he doesn't get the credit

888
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 7: he deserves, but what a consummate professional, selfless, was there

889
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 7: for the right reason. I couldn't even get him to

890
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 7: go into the octagon. You know, he didn't want you know,

891
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 7: he doesn't want to take any pictures. He's humble, he's intelligent,

892
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 7: he holds the pads great. I can't say enough about

893
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 7: the guy anybody in the car North Carolina.

894
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: I think he just opened up a new Jim Jim O.

895
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: The guy's a gem.

896
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 7: You're really missing out if you don't train with the guy,

897
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 7: because I like it's hard to you know, when you

898
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 7: go into that environment when you you know, you see

899
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 7: a guy who's trained in the guy that you trained

900
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 7: for a bunch of years. Absolutely amazing. That's that's all

901
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 7: I could say. Amazing individual. He's there for the right reason.

902
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 7: And you know, look, the good news for me is

903
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 7: that you know, I could go into that octagon with

904
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 7: wide men and it's like we were there. You know,

905
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 7: we've been there so many times. It's not I know him,

906
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. And I agree exactly what

907
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 7: you said. Whatever he did to get ready. And I

908
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 7: will say this, he was healthy, and I always said

909
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 7: this on the podcast. You could go back. A healthy

910
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 7: Wideman is going to be a problem. He is getting older.

911
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 7: He was cracking in the back. I was glad that

912
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 7: I got to even hold mits for him for a

913
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 7: little bit in the back. I mean, it made me

914
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 7: feel good. You know, I have a new hip, and

915
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 7: you know he was smashing the pads and you know,

916
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 7: even I think in between the third round, can you

917
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 7: just show me the guy that's that was in the

918
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 7: back again, you know, because he was he was on fire.

919
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: And again jim O. Because I don't want to take

920
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 7: any credit. I mean, I never take credit for we

921
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 7: was too obviously he's my guy. And Wideman's gracious enough

922
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 7: that you know he's loyal to he you know, he

923
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 7: always wants me there. And you know, even with Chris

924
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 7: leading up to dinner, we had such a great time

925
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 7: catching up. And you know, sometimes I bust his balls

926
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 7: and you don't see a guy, but then when I

927
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 7: get with him, Kenny It's like it's you know, it

928
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 7: is family, it really is. You know, the kids are

929
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: growing up. You know, I had my wife there, we

930
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 7: all went out to eat. It was just, you know,

931
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 7: great thing. That's why I say, like even jim O,

932
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 7: he didn't even come to the dinner, you know what

933
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 7: I mean? Like that, Jeff is just a botstall Like

934
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 7: I learned a lot just on being you know, I'm

935
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 7: gonna say selfless is the word. Like again, he's he's

936
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 7: there for his job and he's getting the fuck out

937
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 7: of there. And you know, he's probably mad that I'm

938
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 7: even complimented him. That's the type of guy is. I

939
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 7: believe he'll be pissed off at me for compliment them. Yeah,

940
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 7: but I don't give a fuck. The guy's a good dude.

941
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 7: And I'll tell you anybody in that area is missing

942
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 7: out on him. The guy's got knowledge and you're crazy

943
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 7: if you don't train with him.

944
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had that jim O for years, Kenny, Right,

945
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Jeff Jimo on the Carolinas. Maybe there's a new facility

946
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: coming soon, but he's had Jimo for a while.

947
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: No, he's got a new facility, and again, he did

948
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 7: a great job with Chris, and that's why I think.

949
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not easy, you know, to get a

950
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 7: guy to trade with somebody for that many years and

951
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 7: add to it, and he did it.

952
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: All right, Kenny, you ready for me to go at

953
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: this guy right now?

954
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: Go all right?

955
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: So I texted Chris right like he won this fight

956
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: on the strength of how well he performed in rounds

957
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: one and two. Yes, at Kenny's point, he fought beautifully,

958
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: he kicked, he was in control of this fight, and

959
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: when Bruno Silva had moments there in round two, he

960
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: answered them and then some to make sure he won

961
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: that round. But I believe we should be looking at

962
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: a no contest here. We did ask the question ray

963
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: at Anti Florian Pod, how should the fight between Chris

964
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: Wybman and Bruno Silva have been scored? Fifty six percent

965
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: of people replied it should be a no contest, twenty

966
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: percent said it should be a DQ win for Bruno Silva,

967
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: sixteen percent said it should be a technical decision as

968
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: it was scored, and then eight percent said it should

969
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: be a TKO for Chris Wibman as initially scored. So

970
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: based upon what you saw and if our viewers haven't

971
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: all seen the fight. You know, ipokes were a prevailing

972
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: theme in the fight, and there was almost like a

973
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: combination of ipokes I think at the end of the fight,

974
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: and so Bruno obviously was furious. Ray where do you

975
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: stand on how this should be scored?

976
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 7: Well, again, regardless of how it scored, we all agree

977
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 7: we saw a different guy than we've seen in a while,

978
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 7: that's the first thing.

979
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: I mean.

980
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 7: And round one you could score a ten to eight

981
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 7: technically for control time he was kneeing him in the head.

982
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not saying it could, but I mean,

983
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 7: there was no evidence Bruno Silvia was going to do anything.

984
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: Round two, again, he came out and there might have

985
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: been one epope, but well, people have you know Wiman

986
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: got thumbed in the eye. There's a picture of it,

987
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: and because he didn't complain about it, everybody's acting like

988
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: he's the guy. You know, they both I poked each other.

989
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: One guy chose to handle it one way and one

990
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: guy chose to handle it another way. It's an unfortunate

991
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: thing in mma, and I'm sure Wideman didn't do it

992
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: on purpose. But you know what, no matter how they

993
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: scored that fight as a coach and as his guy

994
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 3: that'd seen him and you know, been through a lot

995
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: of shit with him. I'm just happy to see the

996
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: way he fought. I really do. And you know he

997
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: had the guy. The guy went through a horrific injury.

998
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm wincing while he's throwing that right kick. He don't

999
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: give a fuck, this guy, he's crazy. So I like

1000
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: what I saw. I don't care if they dqu I

1001
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: don't care what it was to me.

1002
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 7: It's a win either way, and I don't you know,

1003
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 7: like again, I pokes aside, that guy proved something to

1004
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 7: himself and to a lot of people at thirty nine

1005
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 7: years old, after a horrific injury like that. I don't

1006
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 7: give his shit. That's that's my really gut feel. I'm

1007
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 7: happy with what I saw. He's a winner. No matter

1008
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 7: how they scored that fight.

1009
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: That's it. You know.

1010
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 7: If you want to know how I think they should

1011
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 7: have scored it, I didn't even think about it.

1012
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: No, And that's fine, and I saw. I am certainly

1013
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: not here to piss in your cheerios. Yeah, I'm absolutely thrilled, Kenny.

1014
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: The fight game has a lot of circumstances, right and

1015
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: on the strength of winning those two rounds. Wiman obviously

1016
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: put himself in a position to deal with all of

1017
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: this better than Silva did. Right, But Kenny, do you believe,

1018
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: based upon what you saw that there should be a

1019
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: no contest or you okay with the TV for Wimen?

1020
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't think of no cond well, first of all,

1021
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 5: but the fight ended, right, the fight was it did?

1022
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: Yes, it was that.

1023
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: There can I don't think there can be a no content.

1024
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Sure, they can go back and look at the replay

1025
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: and see that if those ipokes were what caused the

1026
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: end of the fight, then it can be a no contest.

1027
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: But they got mad enough in the fight where it

1028
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: could be a decision, and they went to the scorecards,

1029
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: and obviously those were clearly for Wiman. Initially it was

1030
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: a TKO, and then when they went back and looked

1031
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: at it, they changed it to a technical decision because

1032
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: of the the ipoke. Is that how you understood it, right?

1033
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 7: I think that's how I understand it. Was just like again,

1034
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 7: I'll be honest, it was a long weekend. Obviously it

1035
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 7: was Easter Sunday. Yeah, I'm elated. I didn't Honestly, I

1036
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 7: didn't give it much thought. I was just so happy

1037
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 7: for him that he got to at least show, you know,

1038
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 7: the kind of the old Wideman going forward and you know,

1039
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 7: handling adversity. I saw Bruno Silva had one way of

1040
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 7: winning that fight, and I could tell you being cage,

1041
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 7: so it wasn't going to happen. You know, even if

1042
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 7: you listen in between rounds, I'm just saying, stay focused.

1043
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 7: The only thing that could happen is we have a

1044
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 7: mental lapse and something happens.

1045
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: But I don't think it was going to happen. I thought,

1046
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: even watching the tape on him, he's bombing, but being

1047
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: there Kenny, I didn't since he was going to hurt Widman,

1048
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: to be.

1049
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 5: Honest with that, That's the way I saw it. You know,

1050
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: I think that Chris was winning that whole fight. I

1051
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 5: think that I probably would have liked to see him

1052
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: use more takedowns at a certain point, but even then

1053
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 5: he was outstriking Bruno Silva, a guy who everybody thought

1054
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 5: was going to go right out there and knock him out.

1055
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 5: So from from that perspective, I think it's successful. Now,

1056
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: did the referee make a mistake and not seeing an

1057
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 5: eye gouge after there was already an eye gouge. You know,

1058
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: could you argue there could have been a point deduction, Absolutely,

1059
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 5: But you know, all things considered. You know, if I'm

1060
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 5: from the outside looking in and I have this guy

1061
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 5: named Chris Wiman, who you know, wanted to fight, wants

1062
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 5: to continue fighting, I see this as a very good

1063
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 5: side of a guy who really showed up to fight.

1064
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 5: He brought his skills, He showed his skills and rectified

1065
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: whatever happened in that last fight against Brad Tavares where

1066
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 5: it seemed like it took him to get hurt before

1067
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 5: we actually saw Chris Whiten in there, right, Yeah, and

1068
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: that was not the case even if he went out

1069
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 5: there and maybe you know, got knocked out around two.

1070
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 5: Seeing how he performed in round one was a very

1071
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: good side. And the fact that we got into round

1072
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 5: three in a fight where Chris was winning all of

1073
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: those rounds, in my opinion, I think there was a

1074
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: very good sign for Chris and of course Ray and

1075
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 5: all the guys that are around.

1076
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's what I said, John, There's actually no

1077
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 7: pissing on my cheerers. There's just not because I'm not

1078
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 7: even looking at a winner, al I'm looking at what

1079
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 7: I saw, and what I saw was so surprising, you know,

1080
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 7: not pleasantly surprising. And that's why I said, you know,

1081
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 7: Jim O, I give him credit and I'm not going

1082
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 7: to hop on it, but I mean he did a

1083
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 7: great job with him. I didn't get to see him. Obviously,

1084
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 7: we had the stories. You know, he's busting my bulls. Now,

1085
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 7: you know after the fight, Now, can you come down

1086
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 7: and hold a couple of rent and say, I go, listen,

1087
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 7: we're going to break.

1088
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: Balls till we're dead.

1089
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not happening, but I do the week before,

1090
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 7: the way he was attacking me that this guy was,

1091
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 7: he was the old guy. He was in a good spot.

1092
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't even have to see what he

1093
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 7: was doing. I just knew the way he sounded. And

1094
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 7: you know, to answer your question about the d Q

1095
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 7: was stuff, all I'll say is this, Right after the fight,

1096
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 7: I did call my wife and say, grim that ticket

1097
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 7: off the count and just run down to the cage,

1098
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 7: get the money as quick as possible before they overturned

1099
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 7: this motherfucker because.

1100
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 5: We have what the hell's going on?

1101
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad.

1102
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: Did he really?

1103
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. Allegedly woo.

1104
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big number.

1105
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: That a big number. Baby.

1106
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 7: I don't know what's going to happen, but get over

1107
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 7: there quick. It ain't getting the baby right.

1108
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: Do you think a good way? Because I hear a

1109
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 5: lot of people were just up in arms about this fight,

1110
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: you know, for a variety of reasons. I mean I

1111
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 5: heard everything too. Chris Widman has to be on steroids too.

1112
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 5: He's the biggest fater of all time with the eye

1113
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 5: gouges what like. There's just so many weird takes out there.

1114
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 5: Is the best way to rectify this whole thing is

1115
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 5: to have them do a redo? Do they do a rematch?

1116
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: Here?

1117
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: Is that the best way to kind of settle this

1118
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: whole thing?

1119
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, if it's up to me, do a fucking

1120
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 3: do the rematch? What one?

1121
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 7: I don't think the UFC would do that, but I

1122
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 7: do the rematch.

1123
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: Has easy money on that rach.

1124
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 7: You like that, you want to do a rematch? I

1125
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 7: think it'll be way worse this time. I really do.

1126
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 7: Even at this at thirty nine, going to be forty

1127
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 7: years old. I say, dude, if that's what you wanted,

1128
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 7: if that's what rectifies it, And I think that that's

1129
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 7: that's John almost is he has my sentiment had to

1130
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 7: just pick up another paycheck. And I'm not saying you look,

1131
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 7: you know he told Yah you were you're afraid for Bruno, Sylvie.

1132
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: He's got good power, you know, like torture me and

1133
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: I did.

1134
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 7: The first of all, let me just say this, the

1135
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 7: love he got that arena was nothing like what I'm

1136
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 7: here and now from you guys. The love he got

1137
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 7: in that arena was absolutely fantastic. The reception at the

1138
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 7: hotel fantastic.

1139
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, in the New York Tri State area, you

1140
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: guys would have been fucking decute anywhere else. Just kidding,

1141
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: Can we balls? I mean, am I putting a friendship

1142
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: on the minor? Can wessalls today?

1143
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: John? You were never putting off friendship online? What am

1144
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: I making?

1145
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Because I got a lot more bullets in the chamber.

1146
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: But you keep shooters over the weekend.

1147
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 7: Keep shooting because you're shooting with a fucking water gun

1148
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 7: as far as I'm but no, listen, But I did

1149
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 7: talk to me because shit, I can't catch your break.

1150
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 7: They're fucking killing me, and I go, it is what

1151
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 7: it is, man, What are you gonna do.

1152
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 3: At this point?

1153
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 7: All the ship we've been through, and I get to

1154
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 7: tell you steroids, I don't know. He didn't look like

1155
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 7: he was on nypds. To me, I saw a little

1156
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 7: I saw a little flab around his belly button, if

1157
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 7: you want to know the truth. So yeah, I don't

1158
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 7: know what the hell they're talking about.

1159
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: Unlike your other guy, Aljamain Sterling. Nice to see the

1160
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: New Jersey crowd get behind Chris Wyman.

1161
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you that's what I was gonna say,

1162
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 7: Tri State Area. Al Joe got booed. But I will

1163
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: say this, al Joe walking out with he got a

1164
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 7: lot of love al Joe this time in Jerry, he got.

1165
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: A lot of love.

1166
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 7: That's great to hear, and I'm sure he definitely. I

1167
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 7: think he got overwhelmed. That's how that's how much love

1168
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 7: he got. How's that? That's cool?

1169
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: So overdue for Al Jamain Sterling, Right, it's got to

1170
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: be really difficult when you're fighting Henry Sahudo in the

1171
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: New York Tri State area to be sort of booed

1172
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: and not have the crowd the way it played out

1173
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: for him. So that warms my heart. But we're not

1174
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: like you know, emotional romantic type of mood today. We're

1175
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: wanting to come at these fucking cheaters. I mean, do

1176
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: I need other mits when I come to trade with

1177
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: you guys? I mean, ye, hey, listen, yeah, but you

1178
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: guys know it was a gcon dostar. We might we

1179
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: might not have a lake to stand on in court.

1180
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you on the street, Keeddy, I ain't

1181
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: breaking my hand anymore. Somebody's getting jibbed in the eye.

1182
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: If I could get there. It would seem to me, though,

1183
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: Ray In terms of Chris Wadman's fighting future, these minutes

1184
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: are wildly encouraging, and an immediate rematch with Bruno Silva

1185
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: is not something that is gonna wet his appetite. I

1186
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't think. I think he wants to spin this thing

1187
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: forward and uh, you know, get a big name, potentially

1188
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: in the top ten or twelve. Right, I mean, what

1189
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: are we doing here?

1190
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a question for him.

1191
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: You just pose aq on the program. You know, I

1192
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: don't like talking athletes as much, is all right, but I'd.

1193
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 7: Say you posed a question, would a rematch be a

1194
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 7: fair thing to do? I said, one hundred absolutely, Kenny, Right,

1195
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 7: Holy shit, Kenny this guy is.

1196
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: Cantankerous. Did you look that word up again? That's a

1197
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: good way you pull.

1198
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 7: You have Cody pull out the dictionary and give us a.

1199
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean you imagine Chris Widman, you know, pulling out

1200
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: the uh you know the digits in Rio de Janeiro against.

1201
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 5: Bruno, you know would have been a little different.

1202
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, crowd would have been said, you're gonna die

1203
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: like you're the dead, just having fun. I'm really happy

1204
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: for me. Can I can I circle back? Why isn't

1205
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: my lightings going up and down? Can I circle back

1206
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: to Dennis Bozuka for a second?

1207
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: So?

1208
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: I know sometimes this is just the sports fan in me.

1209
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: But when I think about, like the swing of this fight, right,

1210
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: like Waking Buckley Saturday night, Kenny and Ray changed his

1211
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: life forever, right, financially and otherwise got changed his life forever.

1212
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: Don't at me. Dennis Bezuki changed his life forever right,

1213
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: not just a bonus, right, but he's fighting for his job.

1214
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: And even though we made light of it last week, Ray,

1215
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: I just feel so good for this athlete. Right, all

1216
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: the chips are in the center of the table, to

1217
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: get a bonus, to get a win, to extend your

1218
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: UFC contract. It almost assures he's going to get a

1219
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: second one. Like, gosh, I mean, isn't there some relief?

1220
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm almost more relieved than you are,

1221
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: Like there was just so much on the line for Dennis.

1222
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Maybe fop beautifully.

1223
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe that's what he needed to have that type

1224
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 7: of pressure on him. You know, who knows, But yeah,

1225
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 7: of course, you know, look, this is he's at the

1226
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 7: beginning of his career.

1227
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: This is this the UFC stuff.

1228
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 7: Man, These guys they fight their balls off and you know,

1229
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 7: you know, you gotta really get to the top to

1230
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 7: really make it worth it. So he's got a long

1231
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 7: way to go. But this is a great start and

1232
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 7: again hopefully this is what he mentally needed to get

1233
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: going and he can carry it forward. But you know,

1234
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 7: every you know, I deal Obviously, we got ten guys

1235
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 7: in the UFC, you know, guys that complain about what

1236
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 7: they're getting paid. They've been there for six years. So

1237
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 7: there's a long way to go, and he's going to

1238
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 7: have to stay focused if he wants to get there

1239
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 7: for sure.

1240
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: All right, So coming up on Wednesday, Kenny is going

1241
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: to give us a prediction on Charlie Campbell and Trevor

1242
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: Peak in the lightweight division coming up this weekend. Charlie

1243
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Campbell minus two to twenty five the betting favorite Trevor

1244
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: Peak plus one eighty five. Are you boots on the ground,

1245
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: wheels up to Vegas? What are we doing?

1246
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: No?

1247
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 7: No, I'm taking this one off. I'm going out to

1248
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 7: Vegas the following week. Hopefully we'll hook up when we're

1249
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 7: out there. But I'm predicting Charlie Campbell by murder.

1250
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: Wow, you're talking first UFC fatality. How can you be

1251
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: a little.

1252
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: Offering it's a possibility. No, Charlie's Charlie.

1253
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 7: Charlie's a monster. Is I don't see anything in this

1254
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 7: guy that could actually.

1255
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: Stop him.

1256
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 7: I guess I don't know, But Charlie, Charlie could crack

1257
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 7: and he's he's, he's vicious. I'm saying that's a the

1258
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 7: minus two twenty is the right number on that.

1259
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: But Trevor Peak is tough, you know. Yeah.

1260
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 7: Uh, there's one path of victory from to absorb a

1261
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 7: lot of damage and somehow the other guy geesses out.

1262
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: But Charlie's Charlie's.

1263
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 7: A beast and he's he's he's he's pretty dangerous. If

1264
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 7: you're not squared away, you know, you don't want Charlie.

1265
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: Charlie will will get He's he's tough.

1266
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: Man.

1267
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: Are you in April Fool's Day? Guy, Ray, do you

1268
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: have any pranks planned?

1269
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: No?

1270
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's good. It's that's just nonsense. You know,

1271
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: there's enough enough chaos in the world.

1272
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: What that what? What's today's day?

1273
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: April first? Yeah, that's the question. Right. We won't do

1274
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: another April First podcast probably for four or five years, so.

1275
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 7: I would I would have came prepared at it. Look,

1276
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 7: it was a long weekend, man, Yeah, it really was

1277
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 7: a long emotional weekend.

1278
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: It really was.

1279
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: Well hopefully you don't have a flat tire when you

1280
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: go outside, my man. But we appreciate the time. Congratulations

1281
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: on two big wins. We wish you and Charlie Campbell

1282
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: and everybody all the best. And in terms of us

1283
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: having time together, you know, Ken Flow is going to

1284
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: be out there for UFC three.

1285
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: Hang out with him.

1286
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Maybe we'll all convene at

1287
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: the Penthouse there at the Virgin courtesy of Paradise Canteen.

1288
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: Is Big Ron Pellegrino. Maybe all break bread or something.

1289
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: Come on, big Ron, come through, baby, Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Guy always delivers.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: When are you getting out there?

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Speaker 3: I think? Wait?

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Speaker 4: When are you getting out there?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Al Joe at forty five?

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Speaker 3: Huh, I gotta check my plate. I think Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: All right, well out there Tuesdays April ninth, Ken flow,

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Speaker 1: when are you? You're not coming till Thursday?

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Speaker 5: Friday?

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Speaker 1: Thursday? Can flow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 5: I think late Thursday night, like so like midnight something

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 5: like that. So what Friday early Friday morning? Technic and Kenny.

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Speaker 1: You may be flying back home before the fights or

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00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: you undecided?

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Speaker 5: I be flying back before the fights.

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Speaker 3: All right, Oh, we gotta get this is going to

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: be in the building for you.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred all right, hey, right, great day, better Evan

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Speaker 1: anything else before we let you go.

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Speaker 3: That's it, man, that's it. If you're around later, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to give you a buzz.

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: My line is always open for you. As I told

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00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: people repeated that I have my iPhone right here, I

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: have my list of favorites, and uh there's seven names

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00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: on there and one of them is very long ago.

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: So all right, I'll give you a buzz later. Guys.

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Speaker 7: Great weekend, great time today. Hats off again, you know,

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00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 7: no pissing in my cheerios. Everything what I show was

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Speaker 7: positive and either way as a coach, I was happy

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Speaker 7: as so my man.

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Speaker 3: Take it easy, guys.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah, there is Ray Longo with us every week

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00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: here on the Anakin Florian Podcast. Always fun after a

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: big win or two for Ray long Ago. Am I

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: making a laugh today?

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: Kid? Huh? Yeah?

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 5: Hilarious man that listen. As a coach, you gotta feel good.

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 5: Haven't been with Chris for forever, just seeing that your

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 5: guy was different than the last time out he was

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 5: coming back, you know, to give a context again, people

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: who don't know the story, have you been hiding in

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01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 5: a whole somewhere, you know, seeing how Chris looked last

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01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 5: time out coming off of that crazy injury, you know,

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01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 5: the surgeries that followed, and seeing how he looked this

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 5: time out. He looked like a completely different dude. Man.

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 5: So you know, that's got to feel good for your friend,

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 5: for your student, you know, for your fighter. That's all

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 5: good signs. Man, That's a good night for Ray because

1341
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 5: you never know how it's gonna go when you're bringing

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 5: one guy, let alone a couple guys into UFC's octagon.

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: All right, so we can all agree Chris Wyman total inspiration.

1344
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: Leg snapped in half. He's had like fifty surgeries. He

1345
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: also reps the Stars and Stripes loud and proud. Chris

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01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Wyman's the fucking man. I texted him as much. Now,

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: can we just briefly touch on the lead story? I mean,

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01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: kem flo that's a no contest every day of the week.

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01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: It was a fucking combination of ipokes. And I'm not

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01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna be so suggestive to say that because this fight

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01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: was in Atlantic City and the crowd was firmly behind Chris,

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: that that played into this. But I think to totally

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: dismiss that as a factor maybe would speak to some ignorance.

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Kenny, most people believe this should be a

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01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: no contest. Do you have any opinion on that?

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01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 5: No, And it could have certainly could justify that no

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 5: question about that. I think that what's interesting is the

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 5: fact that I think more than anything else, the referee

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01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 5: didn't see it. It was like a one to two,

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01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 5: And if you didn't have the video, in my opinion,

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 5: how would you know that that was an eye gouge

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 5: and not a punch like it happened so quick. So

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 5: I'm not knocking the referee for seeing that or not

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 5: seeing that. But yeah, when you go back and the

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: fight was called, it was in round three. You see that,

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 5: You see that it was an eye gouge. You had

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 5: the history of eye gougers prior. Well, yeah, you definitely

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 5: could have could have called it a no contest, And

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Speaker 5: it was my understanding that I thought that it would

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 5: automatically go to the scorecards. So my bad on what

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01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 5: the fuck do I know? Yeah, but so then it

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 5: would have gone to the scorecards, or you could also

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 5: argue that shit, he could have removed one point or

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 5: even two points, right. I don't know if you could

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 5: do that after the fight is called, but you can

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01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: even argue that maybe Bruno would have won just because

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01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 5: of the removal of points. I don't know, but it

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 5: was It was crazy. It was unfortunate. Chris looked great,

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 5: But it also doesn't take away from the fact that

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 5: there were some serious fouls that were there. I don't

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01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 5: think they were intentional. I just think the way that

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 5: he was holding the hand out there. You know, we've

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01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 5: seen John Jones be accused of it, you know, and

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 5: guys will do that all the time because you're used

1385
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: to when you do heart sparring having those big gloves.

1386
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: Your hand is open in those gloves and you use it,

1387
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 5: use the hand to parry, to parry a punch coming

1388
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 5: at you, to frame on a head coming at you.

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 5: The problem is you're not using big boxing gloves when

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 5: you're fighting in the octagon. You're using those those you know,

1391
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 5: those open fingered gloves. And if you're using that same

1392
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 5: technique and you're used to doing that, then guess what,

1393
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 5: You're gonna have more of a propensity for doing eye gouges.

1394
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 5: Still wrong, I'm not justifying it. It's just how people

1395
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 5: train matters. That's what's gonna lead to.

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01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when Bruno Silva I poked Chris Wiman with

1397
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: the thumb, you know he was throwing a punch.

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01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 5: I don't know.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: Exactly what the rule book says about that. I mean,

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01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: you still can't thumb somebody in the eye, but he

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01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: was actually throwing a punch, whereas Wyman's advances really were

1402
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: were illegal if inadvertent and non intentional. The rule says

1403
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: if an accidental foul cause is an injury severe enough

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: for the referee to stop the about after half of

1405
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: the scheduled rounds plus one second of the fight has

1406
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: been completed. About what results in a technical decision awarded

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: to the fighter who's ahead on the scorecards. Yeah, so

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: even if and we touched on this earlier, but even

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: if a point had been deducted, you know, at the

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: end of the fight to Chris Widman, you know, he

1411
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: still would have won on the scorecards at that point

1412
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: in time because he had one rounds one and two

1413
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: on all three judges score cards. But we congratulate Chris Widman.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do think Bruno Silva should appeal, will appeal,

1415
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: and I do think the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and

1416
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: I put that commission on a pedestal, and I think rightfully. So,

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think Jeff Mullins and those guys would

1418
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: would probably overturn this and it would go into the

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: books as a no contest.

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 3: All right.

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: We congratulate all the other winners, Kyle Nelson and nurseltan Ruza,

1422
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: Boyev Cheetyanjo Kawani, Nate the Train, Vina Jang Doba stopping

1423
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: lupy Go Dinez's winning streak, Julio Arse and all the

1424
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: other winners, Jacob Malcom with a nice stoppage there on

1425
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: Andre Petrowsky. We got to bounce on aut of here.

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Speaker 1: We will be back later this week. Some thoughts on

1427
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Speaker 1: UFC three oh five coming up in Perth, Western Australia.

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Also look ahead to all of the betting lines at

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01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: UFC three hundred and a full preview with predictions for

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: the UFC Fight Night this weekend and the main event

1431
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: at the Apex between Brendan Allen and Chris Curtis. Thank

1432
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: you to our guest Jimmy Smith and Ray Longer executive

1433
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: producers Cody. You can find full length episodes of the

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Speaker 1: the fucking man. Nice t shirt. We talk to the

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Speaker 1: rest of you guys in about forty eight hours. Until then,

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01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: stay healthy, be well, and uh we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: in a few days.

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Speaker 6: You'll bread he's gone bread. He's gone bread, light.

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: So precious to the mess that you can keep your.

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 4: Hands on the box here.

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01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 6: The next is he's gone red. He's going red.

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Speaker 3: He's going red.