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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I

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Speaker 1: ever told your production. iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And to end the year of twenty twenty five, we

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Speaker 2: are featuring a musical group from Australia who's been using

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Speaker 2: music to speak out against colonization, oppression and white supremacy

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Speaker 2: and for our activists around the world. We are talking

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Speaker 2: about the group Divide and Dissolve. So Divide and Dissolve

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Speaker 2: released their first album in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when

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Speaker 2: it was formed by duo ta Kaya Reid the saxophonist

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Speaker 2: and guitarist and Sylvie Nahill the percussionist. So Reid was

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Speaker 2: actually born in Texas but was raised in Melbourne, Australia,

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Speaker 2: and she identifies as black and Cherokee, and Nahill is

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Speaker 2: an Australian Native but also has Maori background. So they

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Speaker 2: came to get there to make music that push for

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Speaker 3: So you know, we already love that here and.

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Speaker 2: If you do get a chance, obviously they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of albums and they are available all on your

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Speaker 2: any of the apps, musical apps, and their album is

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Speaker 2: really cool, like it's nice instrumentals and then it gives

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Speaker 2: you a good upbeat. If I was still running, I

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Speaker 2: think i'd have to put them on my list. It

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Speaker 2: feels very motivating. Okay, yeah, yeah, you need to go

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Speaker 2: check them out. It's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh yeah, so you definitely get that vibe.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if I would say it's heavy

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Speaker 2: metal as much as they're saying it heavy, but for

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Speaker 2: some reason, I'm gonna stick with the heavy metal because

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Speaker 2: it fills with that downbeat.

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Speaker 3: It feels really good. It feels like you could definitely

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Speaker 3: wash in this. And I say this as a non masher.

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Speaker 2: It's about the say, well, the few times I've gone

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Speaker 2: to those shows, I would actually get protected by my

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Speaker 2: bigger friends, so I didn't get crushed because they're serious.

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Speaker 1: They are serious, and if you get stuck, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to get out.

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Speaker 3: Something and you're not ready for it. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, So they have stated before in interviews that they

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Speaker 2: wanted to decolonize metal and push past the narrative that

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Speaker 2: heavy metal and heavy music had to be explicitly mel centered.

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Speaker 3: So they really wanted to break those molds, and.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, Nahil actually left the band, but

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Speaker 2: Reid continued with the music, bringing in different artists for

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Speaker 2: the progression, so you'll have different people have opportunities to

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Speaker 2: play with her. So she talked about how cool that

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Speaker 2: was and featuring different artists who had similar backgrounds with her. So,

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Speaker 2: with five albums under their belt, they've continued to push

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Speaker 2: the boundaries of what their genre was about. So this

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Speaker 2: is from their website and on how they describe themselves,

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Speaker 2: they say Takaya Reid is a two spirit Black and

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Speaker 2: Cherokee composer, multi instrumentalist, and leader of her band Divide

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Speaker 2: and Dissolve, an internationally acclaimed band whose work bridges do metal,

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Speaker 2: neoclassical composition, and sound design. Her practice is rooted in

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Speaker 2: decolonial politics and a commitment to envisioning liberatory futures. Their

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Speaker 2: recent works gas Lit and Systemic, produced by Ruben Nielsen

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Speaker 2: of Unknown Mortal Orchestra and released on Invader Records, roped

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Speaker 2: the band to wider international audiences, including a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four US tour supporting Chelsea Wolf. Their newest record, Insatiable

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Speaker 2: Belly Union, pushes the boundaries of doom metal by weaving

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Speaker 2: in re saxophone voice, and compositional approach that balances heaviness

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Speaker 3: It is very nice. I could definitely feel those moments.

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Speaker 3: And as she.

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Speaker 2: Continues in her musical career, Reid has only dug her

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Speaker 2: from an article from Madernnews dot Org, they write, growing

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Speaker 2: her the reality that our social and political systems can

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Speaker 2: and do perpetuate these cycles of violence. And yet this

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Speaker 2: reality hasn't overwhelmed the love and beauty that can go

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Speaker 2: hand in hand with existence, an idea that sufferces most

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Speaker 2: cleanly in the album's closing desire, which serves as a

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Speaker 2: point of sonic hope read and Coe conjuring the sound

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Speaker 2: end of a long, ferocious storm. And she has stayed

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Speaker 2: firm in the genre of music that is her music.

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Speaker 2: Though she was classically trained with the saxophone, she plays

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Speaker 2: as she feels, and her perseverance has only increased her

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Speaker 2: They write, while audiences have warmed to the band's message.

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Speaker 2: More Over the years, Reid says she continues to talk

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Speaker 2: confused about why a woman of color is playing in

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Speaker 2: a heavy band. If you're in shock about the type

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Speaker 3: Be really clear what this music is about.

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Speaker 2: And she said this about the music she makes from

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Speaker 2: Solvo dot Ghost dot Io, and I think it's important

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Speaker 2: She writes, I know that music's heavy, but I feel

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Speaker 2: all the time. Fashion stuff, art stuff, classical music stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm a classically trained musician and I play a lot

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Speaker 2: I feel very comfortable in a classical music setting or

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Speaker 2: isn't surprising to know that she has had some pushback

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Speaker 2: and has had some conflict throughout our career. So in

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, their video Resistance was actually removed from YouTube

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Speaker 2: media outlets for spraying and spinning on colonial figures, but

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Speaker 2: was reinstated with an apology from YouTube. And we know

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Speaker 2: about this kind of backlash and the pushback when it

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Speaker 3: They really weren't doing these things. What are you going

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Speaker 2: And because people don't like it, they complain real loud,

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Speaker 2: well as what she's doing. If I'm to generalize, most

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Speaker 2: people are really supportive and I appreciate that a lot.

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Speaker 2: There are some pushbacks sometimes, but most of the time,

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Speaker 2: people understand what free Palestine means and they understand why

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Speaker 2: white supremacy must end. And I think people when they

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Speaker 2: look at me, they understand why I would want white

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Speaker 2: supremacy to not exist and why I want land back

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Speaker 2: for Indigenous people. I'm sure talking about this stuff is impactful.

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Speaker 2: It impacts me. People have had violent reactions to me before.

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Speaker 2: People have screened from the audience. A few things that

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Speaker 2: Anything is possible. I could live a really long life.

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Speaker 2: But whatever I'm doing, I would like to know that

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Speaker 2: I tried really hard and I did it with all

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Speaker 2: my heart. It's a drop in the ocean. That's it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm totally happy with that. I'm like, cool, here's

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Speaker 3: In Australia and.

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Speaker 2: In that same interview, Reid talks about their newest album,

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Speaker 2: and this is what she had to say. My newest

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Speaker 2: hope and love. It's about how we make decisions today

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you work towards something that you won't experience

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Speaker 2: more and you're getting into these genocides. They're very close

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Speaker 2: in our future, in our past, and for me, the

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Speaker 2: music is about the hope of love that's required in

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that those feelings are so distanced and far away

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Speaker 2: Monolithic because we are dealing with monolithic entities where it's

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Speaker 2: been posed as truth and unstoppable and unchangeable, but anything

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Speaker 2: So this is about holding onto that in a way

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Speaker 2: this last album was something about breaking through with love

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Speaker 2: like she really is coming full circle in this conversation

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Speaker 2: The irony of heavy metal or heavy music being about

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Speaker 2: in actuality it feels like, yeah, that's what breaks through.

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