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<v Speaker 1>It was a crisp spring morning in March nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven in the south of Belgium. Natalie Godard kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>her day by visiting the outdoor market near the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the small city of Malls. She liked to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the market just before clothes, when sellers offered the best

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<v Speaker 1>deals or sometimes even gave away whatever fruits and vegetables

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't sold. Natalie needed every break she could get.

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<v Speaker 1>At twenty two, she was struggling after a difficult home

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<v Speaker 1>life followed by a series of bad choices. She was

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<v Speaker 1>an attractive young woman with reputation for being kind, so

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<v Speaker 1>people around the market and cafes and bars downtown had

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<v Speaker 1>a soft spot for Natalie. But her new boyfriend, Leopold

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<v Speaker 1>was a different story. He was anything but nice, but

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<v Speaker 1>people respected him and Natalie felt safe when he was around.

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<v Speaker 1>They were both free spirits in an on again, off

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<v Speaker 1>again relationship, living day by day, and on that day,

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<v Speaker 1>March sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, it was the White March

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<v Speaker 1>in mass. The White March was a peaceful protest in

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity with the families and victims of the d True Affair,

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<v Speaker 1>Belgium's most notorious criminal case, involving convicted serial killer Marked

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<v Speaker 1>a True and other accomplices. They kidnapped, abused, and murdered

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<v Speaker 1>several young girls. This tragedy was the subject of La

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<v Speaker 1>Montsless Season one. The White March in Moss was also

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<v Speaker 1>the last day Natalie go Dain would be seen alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone evil was watching her movements that day, waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to commit unspeakable crimes, crimes so horrific that

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<v Speaker 1>they haunt the citizens of Belgium still to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>A mysteriously.

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<v Speaker 4>The rest of the disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline.

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<v Speaker 3>The condition of the victims was sickening, and the question remains,

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<v Speaker 3>where is the killer?

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<v Speaker 1>From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, I'm Your Host Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Graves and this is La Monstre Season two, The Butcher

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<v Speaker 1>of Moss. It had been less than three months since

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Leclair disappeared in the center of Moss. Now another

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<v Speaker 1>young woman, Natalie go Dar, had vanished without a trace

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<v Speaker 1>from the same small city. There were no eye witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to either of the two disappearances, despite having taken place

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<v Speaker 1>in the center of a densely populated Western European city

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, no link was established between Jacqueline Leclaire,

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<v Speaker 1>who disappeared on December twenty second, nineteen ninety six, and

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie Godard, who went missing roughly three months later on

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<v Speaker 1>March sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Jacqueline and Natalie disappeared at

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<v Speaker 1>a time when Belgium was reeling from the the True Affair.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire country was in shock and disbelief at the

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<v Speaker 1>horrific events leading up to and after the arrest of

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<v Speaker 1>Mark d' true and his accomplices. Here's a short clip

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<v Speaker 1>from season one of La Manstre.

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<v Speaker 5>Public outrage at the catalog of atrocities attributed to this

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<v Speaker 5>man has escalated into nationwide anger at the system which

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<v Speaker 5>allowed the True and his accomplices to operate unchecked and

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<v Speaker 5>at will for years. Belgian justice is on trial.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time that the True affair was unfolding, another

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<v Speaker 1>series of unthinkable crimes was taking place beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Police forces across the country were stretched to the maximum,

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<v Speaker 1>and disappearances of adult women in Moss weren't getting the

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<v Speaker 1>attention they deserved. I spoke with the journalist Frederic Law

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<v Speaker 1>about what it was like to cover these cases at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Frederic is an award winning investigative journalist for

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<v Speaker 1>the famous French magazine Paris Match, and he's agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>help me with this project.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a young journalist at the time of the

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<v Speaker 3>Jutrux affair and this case in Monts. I'm actually from Monts,

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up there, so this case was particularly interesting

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<v Speaker 3>for me. It was really a crazy time in Belgium.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the du True affair was blowing up and

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<v Speaker 3>stories were breaking every day. There was so much focus

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<v Speaker 3>on it that it sort of drawn out everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>As a young reporter, I covered everything. But since I

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<v Speaker 3>was from most as you know, I started following this

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<v Speaker 3>case the story closely. At the time, violence against women

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<v Speaker 3>did not attract the attention it does today, especially marginalized

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<v Speaker 3>woman like Jacqueline Leclaire and Natalie Godaar, And I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>despite the extraordinary work of the police and the judiciary,

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<v Speaker 3>it is reasonable to think that in another context, and

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<v Speaker 3>if they had a different profile, the resources allocated to

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<v Speaker 3>the investigation unit would have been greater.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're here walking next to the train station and

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<v Speaker 6>we're in go in front of the last place.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm standing in front of the last place Natali go

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<v Speaker 1>Dar was seen. You'll recall from the previous episode that

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier and I traveled to Monts to meet with Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>van Leerberg. Xavier is a private investigator who I've worked

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<v Speaker 1>with on other cases, and Morgan is an author who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an incredible book about this affair. You'll also hear

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<v Speaker 1>some other voices in the background who will remain unnamed

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<v Speaker 1>given the sensitive nature of this still active case. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>federal police officers and judicial authorities aren't happy at all

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<v Speaker 1>about our reinvestigation. One of the people we're with explains

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<v Speaker 1>that Natalie was last spotted here in front of this

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<v Speaker 1>fast food establishment next to the central train station. Technically

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<v Speaker 1>it's what's called a fretri or a French fries shop,

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<v Speaker 1>a cultural staple in Belgium serving a thick cut, double

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<v Speaker 1>cooked French fries. You can pretty much find at least

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<v Speaker 1>one free tree in every village in town throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 1>On the evening of March sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>and her boyfriend Leopold joined up with friends at an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment in the city center after participating in the White

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<v Speaker 1>March earlier that day. As usual with this friend group,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of drinking, smoking, and probably more.

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<v Speaker 1>At around eleven thirty pm, several of them, including Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>and Leopold, got the munchies and decided to hit this

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<v Speaker 1>free tree next to the train station. It's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a takeaway place as opposed to seeded eating, so Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>gave Leopold her order and decided to hang outside while

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<v Speaker 1>others went in. When they came out, Natalie was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>No one was really worried at the time because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a busy area with a lot of bars and nightlife.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie was a free spirit, and they thought she just

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<v Speaker 1>wandered off and would find them later. One witness on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the street reported seeing her outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the free tree walking in the direction of the

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<v Speaker 1>train station, and that was it. No other leads Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>had vanished. The last person to see Natalie before she

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared here didn't notice anything suspicious. Morgan explains.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a person who was at the free toeri

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<v Speaker 7>and then left and crossed the street here, and when

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<v Speaker 7>she turned around, she saw Natalie alone taking steps towards

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<v Speaker 7>the train station, but without knowing if she was really

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<v Speaker 7>walking towards the station or just meanderings of.

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<v Speaker 3>The other side of the street.

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<v Speaker 1>No one knew it at the time, but there was

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<v Speaker 1>a connection between Natalie Godard and Jacqueline Leclaire, who disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>a few months prior. Both women frequented several of the

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<v Speaker 1>same cafes and bars near the train station, and specifically

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<v Speaker 1>a small hotel and bar establishment called La Metropol. La

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<v Speaker 1>Metropol was and still is a quaint hotel and bar

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<v Speaker 1>across the street from the central train station. Despite its

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<v Speaker 1>location in this rough and tumble neighborhood, Le Metropold exuded

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<v Speaker 1>a higher standard than most of the surrounding establishments. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, it was a place welcome to all comers,

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<v Speaker 1>provided they stuck to the rules laid down by its warm,

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<v Speaker 1>yet intransigent owner, Madame ganche She bought the establishment way

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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen seventy eight and can still be found

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<v Speaker 1>holding down the bar today, forty six years later. Madame

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<v Speaker 1>ganche knew both Jacqueline and Natalie, who were regulars at

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<v Speaker 1>Le Metropold Bar. Morgan has spent years building trust with

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<v Speaker 1>her to help him learn more about the case. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not easy to approach, so when he finally said that

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<v Speaker 1>she might speak to me if I showed up the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, I jumped on a train to Moss to

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<v Speaker 1>give it a shot.

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<v Speaker 6>Here I am again, once more in Moss. I'm walking

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<v Speaker 6>into this new train station who was budgeted at thirty

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<v Speaker 6>eight million and the ending budget was five hundred million.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a national scandal. Here it looks like a space ship,

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<v Speaker 6>but I have to admit it's pretty beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Le Metropole is only about a two minute walk from

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<v Speaker 1>the train station and literally directly across the street from

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<v Speaker 1>the spot where Natalie Goddard disappeared.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, here goes nothing. It was kind of shown

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<v Speaker 6>up at the Hotel Metropols. I think Monique is actually sick,

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<v Speaker 6>so uh, we'll see Monsieur.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt true deform. Monique was at her post running the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty much empty at this relatively early hour.

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<v Speaker 1>She initially looked at me with a jaundiced eye, but

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<v Speaker 1>then warmed up when I mentioned that I was Morgan's friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I lucked out and she agreed to speak, and we

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<v Speaker 1>found a spot near the back. I started out by

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<v Speaker 1>asking if she could describe her memories of Jacqueline Leclaire,

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<v Speaker 1>the first woman who went missing in December nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 8>Jacquelin Jacqueline was very beautiful. She attracted people towards her.

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<v Speaker 8>She was really the contrary of the other women who

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<v Speaker 8>tried to do themselves up and attract gallantries left and right.

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<v Speaker 8>Maqui she didn't use makeup, and she wore blue jeans

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<v Speaker 8>or something like that, so she didn't try to make

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<v Speaker 8>herself beautiful because she didn't have to. She talked to

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<v Speaker 8>me about her children. She liked to connect and talk.

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<v Speaker 8>She needed someone to confide in, but she didn't go

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<v Speaker 8>too deep. She told me that she was separated and

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<v Speaker 8>that her husband had the children.

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<v Speaker 1>Tissed Saint Plumont.

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<v Speaker 8>She was sad because she didn't have her children. She

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<v Speaker 8>was nice and agreeable. I never saw her have negative

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<v Speaker 8>conversations with others. She wasn't looking for anyone. She'd come

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<v Speaker 8>in to say hi to me because we knew each other.

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<v Speaker 8>She had a good head on her shoulders and wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>get involved with someone she didn't know. It surprises me.

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<v Speaker 8>I think she knew the person who harmed her.

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<v Speaker 1>I also asked Monique about the second young woman who disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie go Dar. She was last seen less than one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet from where we're sitting right now, just under

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<v Speaker 1>three months after Jacqueline went missing.

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<v Speaker 9>But Natalillo.

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<v Speaker 8>Natalie was a girl who didn't look like much and

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<v Speaker 8>who didn't seem to worry about things. I never had

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<v Speaker 8>much conversation with her because she was always talking to

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<v Speaker 8>someone else who she knew, or someone just having a drink,

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<v Speaker 8>and she also went to the other bars around here

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<v Speaker 8>to drink. I often saw her with a former military guy,

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<v Speaker 8>a guy who had been in the military and was

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<v Speaker 8>missing an eye. She often spoke with him. He was

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<v Speaker 8>a beer drinker and so was she. When I heard

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<v Speaker 8>that she didn't have a place to live, I thought

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<v Speaker 8>it may be a crime of opportunity that whoever it

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<v Speaker 8>was who picked her up might have offered her a

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<v Speaker 8>night in a hotel. I don't know what he had

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<v Speaker 8>going on in his head. He certainly had planned and

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<v Speaker 8>organized his work and decided that he'd take her to

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<v Speaker 8>a hotel because she didn't have a place to live.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know it could have been as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Monique's theory that Natalie could have been offered a place

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<v Speaker 1>to stay that night stems from the fact that at

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<v Speaker 1>the time she was living on the streets with little

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<v Speaker 1>to no money. Well, Natalie and the first victim, Jacqueline,

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<v Speaker 1>came from different socioeconomic backgrounds. Both women were struggling at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of their disappearances, making them more vulnerable to

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<v Speaker 1>a predator. By the age of twenty two, Natalie go

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<v Speaker 1>dad had already endured a life of hardship. She grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in a dysfunctional, unloving family where affection and stability

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<v Speaker 1>were scarce. As a teenager, she sought escape from her

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<v Speaker 1>troubled home by spending time on the streets and getting

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<v Speaker 1>into unstable relationships. At nineteen, she became pregnant, but the

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<v Speaker 1>child's father refused to be involved, leaving her to navigate

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<v Speaker 1>an already difficult life alone. Her daughter, Laura, was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>placed in an infant orphanage. Here is Laura reflecting on

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<v Speaker 1>her early life and her mother's struggles in an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with a colleague.

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<v Speaker 9>My mother was living in the streets. In the end,

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<v Speaker 9>she was marginalized, but she was above all someone who

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<v Speaker 9>was looking for help. She was looking for help, but

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<v Speaker 9>there was no one in her life to help her.

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<v Speaker 9>I was put into an orphanage. It was mom's decision

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<v Speaker 9>to put me there, but it was for my own

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<v Speaker 9>security because she knew she couldn't manage alone. She told

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<v Speaker 9>people around her that she wanted to get her life

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<v Speaker 9>under control so she could get me back. Afterwards, I

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<v Speaker 9>was placed with my maternal grandmother. I thought a lot

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<v Speaker 9>about my mother because I then understood what it was

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<v Speaker 9>like to live with her.

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<v Speaker 4>Mother.

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<v Speaker 9>There was a lot of physical violence. Every day, I'd

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<v Speaker 9>get hit or insulted, repeated insults. My name was never pronounced.

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<v Speaker 9>I was called names, but never my own. She always

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<v Speaker 9>addressed me by a different insult. There were also death

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<v Speaker 9>threats I was told I'd nned up like my mother,

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<v Speaker 9>and I understood her solitude. It's impossible to live that

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<v Speaker 9>way without losing your footing at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie's daughter, Laura is an amazing person. Despite what she

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<v Speaker 1>went through, Laura found the strength to move forward, build

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<v Speaker 1>a life, and start a family of her own. Her

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<v Speaker 1>first hand account of what her mother must have endured

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<v Speaker 1>as heartbreaking. It's a cruel reminder of life's harsh injustices

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<v Speaker 1>and how we shouldn't rush to judge someone who's struggling

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<v Speaker 1>without understanding their circumstances. Both Natalie and Jacqueline were living

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<v Speaker 1>precarious lives and spending time in the bars and cafes

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<v Speaker 1>around the central station. Mons had a population of just

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<v Speaker 1>under a one hundred thousand people at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>literally hundreds of bars and cafes spread throughout the city

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<v Speaker 1>and neighboring communes. Could it be a coincidence that two

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<v Speaker 1>regulars of a small bar went missing within months of

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<v Speaker 1>each other Sadly, no one was searching for Natalie because

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<v Speaker 1>she left home years prior and had been living rough

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever she could find a place to stay. Jacqueline's family,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand was continuing to search for her.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew she wouldn't just run off somewhere. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>just before her disappearance, she'd been more optimistic than in

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, and she was looking forward to likely

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<v Speaker 1>getting to spend time with her four children over the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>The owner of La Metropol, Madame Ganche, also confirmed this.

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<v Speaker 1>Mont Le tr.

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<v Speaker 8>My Guesza. The last time I saw her was in

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<v Speaker 8>a supermarket. She came up to me and said, I

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<v Speaker 8>have to tell you that I'm so happy because I'm

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<v Speaker 8>going to get my children over Christmas and New Years.

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<v Speaker 8>They're coming to.

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<v Speaker 1>Vien Move that she should thump me down.

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<v Speaker 8>And I said, that's wonderful, and I'm really happy for you.

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<v Speaker 8>She had changed her hairstyle, her hair was short, and

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<v Speaker 8>she seemed completely changed. The fact that someone is getting

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<v Speaker 8>her children back can also change a person. She was

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<v Speaker 8>perky and animated because her children were coming home. She said,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm getting ready. I'm so happy, I'm so happy. It

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<v Speaker 8>was the last time I saw her. It was around Christmas,

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<v Speaker 8>and a few days later she disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline's family rapped their brains to try to think if

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<v Speaker 1>there was any sign or anyone in her life who

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<v Speaker 1>could be involved with her disappearance. According to her sister,

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<v Speaker 1>she was so focused on rebuilding her life and getting

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<v Speaker 1>shared custody of the children that she wasn't open to

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<v Speaker 1>new relationships at the time. There was one detail, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that she couldn't shake. These are her words translated into English.

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<v Speaker 10>About a year before her disappearance, she met someone in

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<v Speaker 10>the Wauxhall Park in monts She crossed path with him

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<v Speaker 10>a few times before, and at one point he approached

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<v Speaker 10>her for a conversation. She said it didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 10>be trying to charm or flirt with her. It seemed

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<v Speaker 10>like a good person, respectful. She had mentioned this mant

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<v Speaker 10>to me she found him rather nice, cultured and intelligent,

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<v Speaker 10>a pleasure to speak with. After meeting him in the park,

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<v Speaker 10>my sister ran into him a few more times. Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 10>was surprised by this, and I think that's why she

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<v Speaker 10>mentioned it to me. She always seems to bump into

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<v Speaker 10>him by chance, but at some point she felt that

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<v Speaker 10>dese encounters were probably orchestrated, maybe even calculated.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was this man with a habit of fortuitously bumping

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<v Speaker 1>into Jacqueline? We know that they cross paths in many

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<v Speaker 1>places where Jacqueline's life regularly took her. These include the

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<v Speaker 1>Walkshall Park roughly a mile west of her apartment, the

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<v Speaker 1>laundromat directly next to her place, and the metropols roughly

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<v Speaker 1>a mile east of her apartment. It seems odd that

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<v Speaker 1>she'd arbitrarily bump into the same person several times in

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<v Speaker 1>these random locations. His demeanor and appearance were distinct. He

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be in his late forties or early fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>and he dressed impeccably and spoke articulately in a distinguished manner.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the sort of man you'd expect to bump into

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<v Speaker 1>it a laundromat in a rough part of town, or

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<v Speaker 1>the bars near the train station. Jacqueline's sister spent years

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<v Speaker 1>trying to identify this man. Morgan van Leaerberg, the author

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<v Speaker 1>who you heard in episode one, has continued the search.

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<v Speaker 1>Identifying this man could be the key to unearthing new

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<v Speaker 1>information about not only Jacqueline, but also about Natalie's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm teaming up with a private investigator Xavier, the

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<v Speaker 1>author Morgan, and the investigative journalist Frederic to see if together,

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<v Speaker 1>we can find him.

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<v Speaker 3>The police never identified what this man was. If you

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<v Speaker 3>think about it, it could be quite important. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Jacqueline told her sister that she thought the man was

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<v Speaker 3>observing her. It's not going to be easy, but we

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<v Speaker 3>have to identify this man.

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<v Speaker 1>As nineteen ninety six turned into ninety seven, life and

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Mons carried on as usual. The bars

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<v Speaker 1>and cafes around the central station rumbled along normally. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the regulars knew that Jacqueline's sister was looking for

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<v Speaker 1>her because of the posters, but most of them didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know that Natalie was missing. The disappearances of these

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<v Speaker 1>two young women didn't even make the headlines. Apart from

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<v Speaker 1>a brief mention about Jacqueline's disappearance on local news. Citizens

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<v Speaker 1>of Malls went about their normal business and young women

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<v Speaker 1>continued to live their lives uninterrupted. But all of this

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<v Speaker 1>was about to change next time. On season two of La.

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<v Speaker 4>Monstre Simfourian Street in Havrey, ne Mon, it's four pm,

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<v Speaker 4>but police forces are holding back the press from where

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<v Speaker 4>three new trash bags were just discovered containing human remains.

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<v Speaker 4>The King's prosecutor explains what seems more and more to

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<v Speaker 4>resemble a sordid treasure hunt. I can confirm as well

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<v Speaker 4>that on the left forearm of one of the victims

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<v Speaker 4>there was removal of roughly five centimeters of flesh.

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<v Speaker 10>I feared that the garbage bags contain my sister's body.

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<v Speaker 10>Jacqueline add a tattoo of her hex husband Angelo on

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<v Speaker 10>a left fore arm.

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<v Speaker 1>I played.

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<v Speaker 4>After the terrible discoveries of Saturday, investigators made a new

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<v Speaker 4>discovery yesterday afternoon of the torso of a woman. Ten

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<v Speaker 4>trash bags have been discovered so far. Investigators believe it

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<v Speaker 4>is the work of a serial killer. For the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>none of the victims have been identified.

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<v Speaker 1>Le Monstre is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts. Hosted, written,

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<v Speaker 1>and executive produced by me Matt Graves, Donald Albright and

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<v Speaker 1>Original music by Jay Ragsdale, sound design and master by

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<v Speaker 1>Lea Monstre includes archival audio from SONYMA RTBF Archives. Special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Aren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, the

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