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Speaker 1: Coast AM on I Heart Radio. Is it safe to

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Speaker 1: call you a demonologist? Well, I think for the better degree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at this point in my life, even seven years ago. UM,

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Speaker 1: I always tell people that, uh, you in in order

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Speaker 1: to basically understand the subject, obviously you've got to study,

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Speaker 1: but that goes beyond anything that you might even learned

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Speaker 1: in the church. You've got to be willing to study

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Speaker 1: to work of great people like ed Warren Um and

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Speaker 1: even the counterpart, if you will, people like ed Warden.

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Speaker 1: You've got to take a look at Stephen Kaplan even

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Speaker 1: in some his work as far as the paranormal is concerned,

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Speaker 1: how did you get into this? I'm always curious how

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Speaker 1: people get into these unusual mystical things. Well, when it

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Speaker 1: came down to this, originally, I got started because I

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Speaker 1: was part of a small ghost hunting group and we

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Speaker 1: had faced the best way of explaining it was just

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Speaker 1: really dark. I had no idea at the time what

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Speaker 1: just what can be algamated as pure evil, and nobody

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Speaker 1: else in the group really had a concept. So I

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Speaker 1: sat there and I said, well, because we we had

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Speaker 1: made it through that situation, ironically with the help of

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Speaker 1: I sat there, I said, well, you know, if nobody

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Speaker 1: else is actually going to take the time to learn this,

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Speaker 1: I don't like going into bad dire situations without allans

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Speaker 1: of knowledge. So I will take it upon myself to

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Speaker 1: start learning this. And Uh, it really just it blossom.

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Speaker 1: It ballooned, uh to the point to where some of

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Speaker 1: my basic notes on the subject turned into the first book. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then more notes turned into the second book. And

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Speaker 1: I've even got a third book in the pipeline. So

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Speaker 1: I mean It really is one of those one things.

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Speaker 1: I think. It's just like anybody else. You could take

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Speaker 1: a person who's a shoemaker, Well, you learn things over time,

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Speaker 1: and those things built, and eventually it goes to the

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Speaker 1: own little store. The way it is with me. Tell

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Speaker 1: us in your award what a demonologist does well, A

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Speaker 1: demonologist A good demonologist, one you don't charge. Let's get

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Speaker 1: that perfectly straight. There's too many people out there that

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Speaker 1: want to advertise cleanliness, profiteer off something all right, right,

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Speaker 1: and and and and profitability is not part of it.

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Speaker 1: Getting knowledge and making sure people are okay, that's the reward,

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Speaker 1: if you will, but for a better degree. No, we

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Speaker 1: don't look like Dr van Helsing. Um we we we

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Speaker 1: We probably spend our time in the library. But for

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Speaker 1: the better degree. I mean, sir, I'm sitting here wearing

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Speaker 1: I I it's I'm still even questioning how that happened.

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Speaker 1: But this thing got so angry. The house was was ransacked. Literally,

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Speaker 1: Is it negative energy that does this? Well, that's pretty

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Speaker 1: much the basis of everything when it comes to the demons.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about uh, pure negative energy. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whereas the demon originates. It could originate in Christian basis,

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Speaker 1: negative entity. They're just like you, just as you have

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Speaker 1: as I said, you know, just because the demon doesn't

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Speaker 1: depends on your point of view. Really, bry some aspects.

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Speaker 1: So you have been um categorized as a debunker, but

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Speaker 1: I think you really are looking for the truth. Now

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Speaker 1: the real deal. But but I think you're a truth seeker.

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Speaker 1: Well that's you know, I think that if anything, that's

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Speaker 1: I I mean I it's you know, the best way

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Speaker 1: it creeps people out, I mean anything can creep anybody out,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, George. I sat there. I I ironically,

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Speaker 1: have managed to RePOP themselves. So I make sure that

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Speaker 1: What makes Kurt? What makes a demon? I mean, where

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Speaker 1: What what are they? Well? Easy? Now, now that's the

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Speaker 1: And I've actually had amazingists go well, that's actually a

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what fate do you follow, what belief

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Speaker 1: constant in this universe, and that was the Big Bang.

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Speaker 1: particles that happened in all the explosions. It's part of

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Speaker 1: the electric current, if you will. That we are even

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Speaker 1: just pure energy, well negative energy, it goes through, positive

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Speaker 1: up losing some people of some faith. You have to

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Speaker 1: remember mankind was very young. We we didn't fully understand

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Speaker 1: what a day it she truly was. But we began

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Speaker 1: These deities. Some took on positive characteristics, some took on

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Speaker 1: As much as we want to sit there and say,

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Speaker 1: well God created us, well that's fine. God created us,

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Speaker 1: but in turn we helped try to create a God,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and in some cases we created negative

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