WEBVTT - The Zambian Plot

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of Iheartradiod Elizabeth Burnett.

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<v Speaker 2>We meet again, So good to see, so good to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring you to headquarters today.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, I just want to hang out here.

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<v Speaker 3>A story that's great. You know what's ridiculous I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. Listen here bub a couple of things you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know about me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I got a pen paper, go on, tell

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<v Speaker 3>me one.

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<v Speaker 2>I like tooled leather. Two, I like tacos. Three I

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<v Speaker 2>like gardening.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so afraid these things are going to be matching.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those is just a fun fact, but the

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<v Speaker 2>other two, yes, or what I'm going to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you about today. And let me let me also just

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<v Speaker 2>say that I found out about this before all of

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<v Speaker 2>the rude dudes started sending messages look at you. This

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<v Speaker 2>came into my Instagram feed and it was like chill

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<v Speaker 2>ran down my spine. Yeah, and my pupils dilated, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh God, because one it's awesome too.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was about to be inundated and everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>going to forward me forward before and that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I can always depend on the root like that

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<v Speaker 2>they deliver it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't seemed to hate me.

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<v Speaker 2>I had maybe like a twenty four hour lead on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good you yeah wow girl.

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<v Speaker 2>In the rhythm algorithm.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, there's lifestyle instagrams like we're gonna hit you

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<v Speaker 3>up early girl exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta you gotta be in it to win it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's this dude, Guillermo Quivas of Done Right Leather Works. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a master craftsman. I believe he's built one of

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<v Speaker 2>a kind pieces, one of one for people like Kendrick Lamar.

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<v Speaker 3>I like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. Uh And Glenn Powell. Is he one

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<v Speaker 2>of those uh top Gun guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he was in the new Top Gun the Maverick.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you this. All the time, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>see some white guy with like dirty brown, dirty blonde

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<v Speaker 2>hair top Gun. I was like, is that the hop

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<v Speaker 2>Gun guy? And you're like yes every time?

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<v Speaker 3>And man, the new running Man does the running Man

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<v Speaker 3>is the running man? It's not Tom Cruise. Surprisingly, he's

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<v Speaker 3>known for his run.

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<v Speaker 2>His alarms and run his legs. Anyway, so this Done

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<v Speaker 2>Right Leather Works. They they got together with two companies, Venmo.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not the cool part.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, you got to tell me that sister.

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<v Speaker 2>The cool part. The third in this triad is Taco

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<v Speaker 2>Bell and they created I'm Losing count Taco Holster and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a blue tooled leather and I'm gonna show you

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<v Speaker 2>a picture, which is really obnoxious for those who are

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<v Speaker 2>simply listening. But if you go on to our Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>feed on the day this episode comes out, you go

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<v Speaker 2>into the stories, there'll be a picture, or you can

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<v Speaker 2>just google taco holster and really generous. Well it has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this, like canteena chicken taco thing I

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<v Speaker 2>got going on now here. I was like, oh snap,

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<v Speaker 2>this came into my feet. I'm about to get taco Holster.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited, and I had to keep it to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I told I told my dogs. I was like, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you're never gonna believe this.

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<v Speaker 3>Mama's getting a taco taco holster.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I looked it up and I found out that,

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<v Speaker 2>uh it, you only had one shot to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it, oh one day, just one shot at one.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, two to three pm Pacific time, which I love

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<v Speaker 2>that they're doing it Pacific times. Show some love.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>November eighteen. November eighteenth, I missed it it's past. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I slipping missed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Where and you got the twenty four hour head start?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I didn't get the blue taco holster to

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<v Speaker 2>old leathers erin Where is the justice? Because the thing

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned gardening, because like you can eat your taco

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<v Speaker 2>while you're gardening, and then when you're done, you put

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<v Speaker 2>your your pruning clippers in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Why, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that times. It's coming into winter, it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>do some pruning.

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<v Speaker 3>Pruning. Yeah, all the gardening. I understand to know how

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<v Speaker 3>it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ridiculous. A taco ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>A leather tools brought to you by Venmo somehow?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do they do this on purpose for me

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<v Speaker 2>and then not give me one?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the world's conspiring against me when you

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<v Speaker 3>do these things.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're just teasing me. They're showing me

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<v Speaker 2>cool stuff, and then uh, never materializes.

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<v Speaker 3>You do seem to miss out except for a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of times where the rude dudes have come through for

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<v Speaker 3>you and like sent you things like but it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like off and you miss out on the timelines like

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<v Speaker 3>they let you know to like who's winning these things?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you stay up. It seems like it's insider

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<v Speaker 3>trading Taco Taco Bell connect. Yes, who's your plug at Venmo?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in the marketing department at Venmo.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, do you know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Let's say you are like overextended financially right, and so,

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<v Speaker 3>in your desperation to get back on firm financial footing,

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<v Speaker 3>you make a plan with these two shady dudes from Miami,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh to blow up a bridge in Africa. The question

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<v Speaker 3>is is will that work?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is ridiculous crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 3>Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 3>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at the edge of my seat.

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<v Speaker 3>I know right came in hot libit. This one, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell you today is a wild one. It

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like it like when the stories of this first

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<v Speaker 3>hit the headlines. The FBI agent who released the announcement

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<v Speaker 3>of the related arrest you hear you well, he says,

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<v Speaker 3>and I quote when I first heard it, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was fantastic. It was almost like a dime novel fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>But it happened he's using fantastic and the proper.

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<v Speaker 3>Use of that is true.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know another word that we've lost that used

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<v Speaker 3>to be used in a similar circumstance was terrific. Correct, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was like you know, anyway, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>That's another one. This description, his description rather is accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one like the plot of a dime novel

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<v Speaker 3>or like some knockoff American James Bond story.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Now, Elizabeth, before we get into today's show, I

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<v Speaker 3>need to ask you to count them two.

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<v Speaker 2>Questions, tacos and gardening.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm skipping past that one. Have you ever seen the

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<v Speaker 3>movie The Bridge on the River Qui long ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, cool? That helps.

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<v Speaker 2>I was an extra.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your third favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Scene the Quhi?

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<v Speaker 3>As you know, the whistling, the whistling? Yes? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>can you favorite for the piece?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't hit the high note there it is. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be really obnoxious, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to everyone with dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Or driving in a car, or just has headphones in

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<v Speaker 3>or airbuds.

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<v Speaker 2>Or who you know. They they've triggered because of previous

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<v Speaker 2>cat calling.

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<v Speaker 3>True.

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<v Speaker 2>Have I ever walked down the street and you had

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<v Speaker 2>a construction worker whistle the theme song to the bridge

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<v Speaker 2>on the.

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<v Speaker 3>River as you No, I have not really damage to

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<v Speaker 3>the construction worker who whistled the bridge on the river.

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<v Speaker 2>Kwai.

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<v Speaker 3>It's cool at various male people postal carriers anyway. I

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<v Speaker 3>often quote this movie Elizabeth Well one line in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>after the star William Holden, he manages to escape a

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<v Speaker 3>Japanese prisoner of war camp that's located near the border

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<v Speaker 3>of Thailand and Burma, and after he braves the endless

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<v Speaker 3>jungle to make it back to rejoin the Allies, he's

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<v Speaker 3>nursed to health at this British hospital camp, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>while he's convalescing there, he's approached by this British commando

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<v Speaker 3>who's putting together a crack team to blow up a bridge,

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<v Speaker 3>the very same bridge that the prisoners of war were building.

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<v Speaker 3>So the British commando he wants William Holden, who's the star,

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<v Speaker 3>to show the team the weight to the bridge. But

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<v Speaker 3>having escaped, William Holden is not at all interested in

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<v Speaker 3>going back. He's like, are you kidding me? Do you

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<v Speaker 3>know how hard it was for me to get out

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<v Speaker 3>of there? But the British commando doesn't care about any

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<v Speaker 3>of this, because he informs William Holden that the US

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<v Speaker 3>military has loaned about to the British. These are orders.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't even matter what his opinions are.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point, William Holden horrified by this development and

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<v Speaker 3>the plot of his life. He's like, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 3>to argue his way out of it, and the British

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<v Speaker 3>commando Major Warden, played by the strapping British actor Jack Hawkins,

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<v Speaker 3>says my favorite quote, which is, ah, I know how

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<v Speaker 3>you feel, but there's always the unexpected, isn't there. I

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<v Speaker 3>tell myself that all the time. There's always the unexpected,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't there. Yeah, So it's a very helpful quote, at

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<v Speaker 3>least for me. So keep that quote in mind as

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you this story. Okay, question two, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you know about the nation of Zambia.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm going to confess, not a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well that's fair. Zambia is a landlocked nation in

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<v Speaker 3>the basically southeastern Africa. Its name comes from the Zambizi River.

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<v Speaker 3>The nation is you know, you can say, south central

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<v Speaker 3>southeastern Africa. It's bordered by Angola to the west. It

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<v Speaker 3>has the Democratic Republic of the Congo to its north.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got Tanzania to the northeast, Malawi to the east,

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<v Speaker 3>Mozambique to the southeast, Botswana and Zimbabwe to the south,

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<v Speaker 3>and Namibia to the southwest. It's essentially ringed by other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, just like the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Zambia

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<v Speaker 3>is also a resource rich region, especially the north, and

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<v Speaker 3>its leading export is copper. But since Zambia is landlocked,

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<v Speaker 3>in order to get the copper out of the country

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<v Speaker 3>and onto the world markets, the copper producers rely on railroads,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least they did at the time of this story. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>which brings us to the story I want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you today. Nice, Let's start with the man at the

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<v Speaker 3>center of this story of saboteurs and copper price manipulation.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is j. Aubrey Elliott. Totally No, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI will tell you a different name, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>only because really, Yeah, if you look at the FBI's

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<v Speaker 3>reports on this, they have like doubling all these names.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, why would you do that to us? FBI?

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<v Speaker 2>What they like they had like a code name, like

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<v Speaker 2>a fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Name basically, Yeah, and so you had to go to

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<v Speaker 3>like the New York Times and a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 3>contemporaneous reporting to find out all the real names Marissa

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<v Speaker 3>and I had our research on Marissa, and I had

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<v Speaker 3>a hell of a time trying to like compare the names.

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<v Speaker 3>And but she did a fantastic bang up job.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she not like one of the most incredible human beings?

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<v Speaker 3>The best? Absolutely the best? So j Aubrey Elliott. He's

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<v Speaker 3>originally from Scarsdale, New York, and, as the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Times reports at the time, his father, quote well said

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<v Speaker 3>to be a member of the United States Consular Service,

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<v Speaker 3>so that means he's basically an embassy type and internationally

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<v Speaker 3>minded anyway, Elliott, much like his father, bit of an

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<v Speaker 3>adventurer as a young man. He leaves America in the

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<v Speaker 3>early sixties and he finds work as a boat captain

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<v Speaker 3>and as a professional diver.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I guess exotic.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, with a lot of fun. I guess you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>weird jobs that way, you know, like, oh, I need

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<v Speaker 3>you to do professional diving or captain my boat to

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<v Speaker 3>the Antilles.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel it is that those days are over. But

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't that Is that a long gone time or can

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<v Speaker 2>you still.

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<v Speaker 3>Still totally you can still be like a frog man,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And it's also very international. The most interesting

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<v Speaker 3>man in the world, you know. It's like, oh, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you? I'm a skin diver, I'm a licensed boat master.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's anyway. So I guess this guy Elliott,

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<v Speaker 3>he could captain yachts, charter boats, whatever you got right.

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<v Speaker 3>So by the mid sixties he's working in ports and

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<v Speaker 3>harbors and carousel. And in April sixty six, Elliott is

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two years old and at the moment he happens

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<v Speaker 3>to be in nearby Aruba, which is where he meets

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<v Speaker 3>an older man named Rolf Dunbier. And I mean older,

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<v Speaker 3>just by a few years older than him. As his

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<v Speaker 3>name suggests. Rolf Dunbier is a German national, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>been naturalized as an American citizen. For a living. Rolf

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<v Speaker 3>works as a vice president of the Friedrich Zolner Corporation,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a German medals company. So the two men

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<v Speaker 3>they meet in Aruba, they're like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, Ruba, Jamaica. I want to take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, like, let's have some drinks and talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>beach boys man. So they get to talking. Apparently they

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<v Speaker 3>hit it off because Rolf offers j. Aubrey Elliott a

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<v Speaker 3>new job. According to a story from the Guam Daily News.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we also talk about how great Guam is? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been there, but wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>So Rolf hires Elliott to quote locate underwater wrecks from

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<v Speaker 3>which brass and copper could be salvaged. So he offers

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<v Speaker 3>Elliot five hundred dollars a month plus expenses to dive

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<v Speaker 3>for these salvageable medals. Nice, pretty cool, great, nice pay

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<v Speaker 3>for some hard work. So he's basically, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Caribbean looking for sunken boats, and the people have like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, either crash while they're drunk or like old

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<v Speaker 3>Span not like old Spanish main kind of crash it

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit younger than that.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the forebearer to the like early aughts speed

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<v Speaker 2>freaks who pulled copper wire out of church HVAC systems.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much yeah, just wretty much for scuba gear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so things work out well for their partnership. A few

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<v Speaker 3>months later, Dumba asked Elliott to fly to Europe to

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<v Speaker 3>help him purchase a boat they can use to salvage

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<v Speaker 3>Rex and harvest medals. Elliott agrees, he flies over to

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<v Speaker 3>Europe to help the dude buy a boat. However, when

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<v Speaker 3>the two men meet up in Amsterdam, his boss Rolf,

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<v Speaker 3>it's got bad news. He's like, man, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the funds to buy a new boat, and the boat

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<v Speaker 3>deal it's off. And so Elliot it's like, well, why

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<v Speaker 3>did you fly me over here? Yeah? He's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>got a new deal for you, Elliott. I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want you to help me buy a boat.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to Africa by a boat. So Elliott is like, Africa, huh,

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<v Speaker 3>what's in Africa? And so his boss, Rolf explains that

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<v Speaker 3>the price of copper has recently plummeted and he's screwed,

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<v Speaker 3>like personally screwed, financially screwed. He's looking at a lost

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<v Speaker 3>fortune unless he can do something to get the copper

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<v Speaker 3>prices back up. And since the copper price is down,

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<v Speaker 3>that also means it's no longer economically feasible to pay

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<v Speaker 3>Elliott to go on salvage copper. Ellie, it's like, are

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<v Speaker 3>you firing me? Like, I don't understand it you're sending

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<v Speaker 3>me to Africa, because I was like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on. His boss, Rolf is like, no, I

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<v Speaker 3>have a plan of what to do, but it's also

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<v Speaker 3>the only work he has for him, so he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the plan. So Ralph says he needs Ellie

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Zambia and help him influence the price

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<v Speaker 3>of copper, and Elie's like to do that. At this point,

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<v Speaker 3>his boss, Ralph tells Elliott his big plan. He informs

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<v Speaker 3>the professional diver and boat captain, and he wants him

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<v Speaker 3>to go and blow up a bridge in Zambia.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was going to have to stand there

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<v Speaker 2>and like raise his eyebrows over and over again at

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<v Speaker 2>the copper, like influences man more expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like, you know, Elliott's like why because, as Rolf

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<v Speaker 3>explains after the US, Zombia is the world's second largest

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<v Speaker 3>producer of copper.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>And as Elliott remembers it, Ralph Dunbier said that the

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<v Speaker 3>quote world's copper comes out of Zombia, and there's only

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<v Speaker 3>one railroad that comes out of Zambia. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>blow up that railroad, is like okay, And then his

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<v Speaker 3>boss Rolph Dunbia is like, so, do you know any

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<v Speaker 3>sabatua who can help you blow up a bridge in Zambia?

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<v Speaker 3>And Elizabeth, when you're a globe tritting adventure like my

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<v Speaker 3>man Elliott, yeah, you meet interesting people.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure do so.

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<v Speaker 3>Eli thinks it over and he's like, I know a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, this will make a great story later years

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<v Speaker 2>from now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to buy me so many drinks in

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<v Speaker 3>a bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I'm taking this to the sechelles.

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<v Speaker 3>When he says I know a guy, he says, there's

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<v Speaker 3>this Israeli. He knows who'd be the perfect saboteur to

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<v Speaker 3>help blow up a bridge in rural Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, do you know any perfect saboteurs to blow up

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<v Speaker 2>a bridge in rural Africa?

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<v Speaker 3>I will say I actually helped a person blow up

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<v Speaker 3>something once. He was a farmer marine and he needed

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<v Speaker 3>me to help him, and I did help him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're the guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I do understand how these stories turn out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have no idea who I would even begin

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<v Speaker 2>to you. I would call you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'd be like, I know a guy. We got

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<v Speaker 3>a problem, guy, I can't believe you brought that up? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Or that I brought it up, but I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is the statute of limitations is long gone, so we're

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<v Speaker 3>good anyway. The bridge ro Off has in mind to

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<v Speaker 3>sabotage spans the Kafue River, which is this tributary of

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<v Speaker 3>the Zambizi River. The bridge was constructed in the early

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<v Speaker 3>twentieth century, back when the British were running things, and

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<v Speaker 3>it gets completed in like nineteen oh six. It's this

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<v Speaker 3>steel cantilever bridge, or as engineers would describe it, a

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<v Speaker 3>steel girder truss bridge. Oh okay, which just means that

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<v Speaker 3>there's all these steel beams kind of been creating triangles

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<v Speaker 3>that hold the bridge rigid since it needs to support

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<v Speaker 3>all those train cars loaded down with copper. Right, So

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<v Speaker 3>think like you know, local bridges, it'd be like the

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<v Speaker 3>Richmond Bridge or like the railroad bridge that crosses the Karkeness.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight sandrafel Bridge is like on its last legs. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to have to drive over it often then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why I picked that one crossed the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it, well, yeah, it's terrible. So this bridge

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<v Speaker 3>over the Kafue is about fourteen hundred feet long or

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<v Speaker 3>about four hundred and twenty seven meters, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a third of a mile. The bridge was

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<v Speaker 3>built back in the colonial period and was owned and

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<v Speaker 3>operated by the Rhodesian Railways from nineteen twenty seven to

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because the Rhodesia is right. Basically there is

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<v Speaker 3>Northern Rhodesia and Southern Rhodesia and that was part of

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<v Speaker 3>this was part of Northern Rhdesia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But up until the sixties when you have the wave

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<v Speaker 3>of independence go over Africa and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>these former British, French and colonies are now independent. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>this also happens for Zambia. So this newly independent Zambia

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<v Speaker 3>takes control of the bridge and they make a part

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<v Speaker 3>of their new Zambia Railways. Now the bridge becomes this

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<v Speaker 3>vital part of the newly independent nations copper industry. Since

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<v Speaker 3>copper is Zambia's leading export, it's key to their economy

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<v Speaker 3>on their own now and the bridge quote forms the

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<v Speaker 3>vital link over which two thirds of Zambia's copper production travels,

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<v Speaker 3>which amounts to some fifty eight thousand tons a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty whoa, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>This massive amount of copper is then shipped to East

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<v Speaker 3>African ports and into the world market. So Ralph Dunbia

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<v Speaker 3>tells his salvage man Elliott, Yeah, we need to blow

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<v Speaker 3>it top right, So obviously this will deal a catastrophic

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<v Speaker 3>blow to the Zambian economy. Is their primary export. It

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<v Speaker 3>is like they're a new country on their own. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>forget this. Ralf doesn't give a feather or a fig

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<v Speaker 3>about that because he just needs the copper prices to

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<v Speaker 3>go back up before he loses a fortune. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>he cares about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, Elizabeth Rolth Dunbier has been playing the copper

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<v Speaker 3>futures market and he's heavily invested his corporation's money. And

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<v Speaker 3>so in the summer sixty six copper prices plummet. They

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<v Speaker 3>fall by about fifty percent. Whoa, I'm talking real plummeting. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 3>which means the German metals company Friedrich Zalner is looking

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<v Speaker 3>at losses of a million dollars on the London Metal

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<v Speaker 3>Exchange sure, which would be about ten million in today's dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, in case you recently forgot how the futures

0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 3>market works, Elizabeth. Spectators buy futures contracts that then stipulate

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<v Speaker 3>a contract wherein they will buy a commodity in the

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<v Speaker 3>future at a set price. But let's say at the

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<v Speaker 3>copper price plummets, this means that the speculators paid way

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<v Speaker 3>too much for their futures copper contracts and when the

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<v Speaker 3>contract comes due, they will lose a bundle when they

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<v Speaker 3>then try to sell the copper on the market. So

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<v Speaker 3>Rolf Dunbier and his German corporate partners, they need the

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<v Speaker 3>copper price to come back up quickly, like before their

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<v Speaker 3>futures contracts come due. Plus, there's also a secondary benefit,

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<v Speaker 3>which is if you manipulate the market, you can also

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<v Speaker 3>buy futures contracts at the lower price. And then let's

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<v Speaker 3>say you blow up a bridge at Zambia that drives

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<v Speaker 3>the price up. Now you make a fortune when the

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<v Speaker 3>price of copper gets jacked up. So Ralph Dunbie is

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<v Speaker 3>now looking to make money, coming and going oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to protect the fortune he may lose and

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<v Speaker 3>then make a fortune off of this insider trade that

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.919
<v Speaker 3>he knows about what the blown up bridge agreed. So

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<v Speaker 3>if he goes full on the bridge on the River Kuai.

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<v Speaker 3>He can avoid losing a fortune and also gaining one.

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<v Speaker 3>So back to Elliott, his boss Roth offers him fifty

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<v Speaker 3>grand to blow up this key bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's there?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of money?

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<v Speaker 3>Now totally with their agreements, said, Elliott gets to planning

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<v Speaker 3>the demolition. But as my man Major Warden said, in

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge on the River Kwai, there's always the unexpected,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't there. So let's take a little break, chill out

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<v Speaker 3>with some ads, and after these messages we'll get into

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<v Speaker 3>the unexpected. Yes we're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are. You

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<v Speaker 3>ready to dive into the unexpected? Thorno good okay? So

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<v Speaker 3>September nineteen sixty six, j Aubrey Elliott and Ralph Dunbier

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<v Speaker 3>they take a trip together to Zambia to do some scouting.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to do some recon so they also want

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<v Speaker 3>to make some connections. So apparently, according to contemporaneous news reports,

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<v Speaker 3>Ralph Dunbier speaks with somebody he knows and he asked

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<v Speaker 3>his contact to quote report conditions affecting Kappa production and

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<v Speaker 3>also dumba Quote was especially interested in interruptions in transportation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why was the price plummeting. Again, I do not.

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<v Speaker 3>Know the market fluctuations because America is the leading producer

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<v Speaker 3>and then Zambia is the second one, and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 3>the market plummets the market.

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<v Speaker 2>She's fickle, Yes, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Is so, As Dumbier reported.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly thought maybe you said it. I forgotten.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I never said it. It was honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't really important to be in the research because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I know, market's.

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<v Speaker 2>Gown by myself.

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<v Speaker 3>All buy it plummeted. There, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Dumbier reportedly quote left some items stored in this individual's home.

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<v Speaker 3>One I wasn't at shay case containing six sticks of

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<v Speaker 3>dynamite and some detonator caps. Also left right, German made

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<v Speaker 3>short wave radio and a pair of shoes. I love

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<v Speaker 3>the pair of shoes, right, I love this sabotage materials

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<v Speaker 3>list with a pair of shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pair of kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Like were they special shoes? Like you know, like how

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<v Speaker 3>moonshiners used to wear those shoes that would like weird

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<v Speaker 3>prints like a cow walked here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just wondering where they, like, you know how,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Rogers you know he's out in his city shoes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got to put on his tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what these are for? Is this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Those are your your bombing shoes?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? I was also wondering if they were like expensive

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<v Speaker 3>designer shoes like the old Popeio used to wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah, slippers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly. I was like, he's German.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be like, I want to feel special when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>putting the dynamite out, So I'm going to put them

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<v Speaker 2>a fancy slippers, my high heels, sneacret or they want

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<v Speaker 2>to get into like some comfy shoes or like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>dance shoes, you know, light on their lights.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I've got your little dan skins legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Diamond over here is going to plant some months.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I had answers, but all the reporting says

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<v Speaker 3>is a pair of shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the mystery, my mind, it races.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway. After their recon trip to Zambia later that same month,

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<v Speaker 3>September of sixty six, j Aubrey Elliott and his wife

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<v Speaker 3>Violet Elliott, they take a trip to Israel. Okay, why Israel?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, Elizabeth. They visit Israel to see what's what

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<v Speaker 3>with saboteurs.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, there's like a booth at the airport.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to understand Israel, like in the sixties, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going through it, right, Yeah, so they got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of experienced people when it comes to like blowing things

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<v Speaker 3>up and like you know, like building a gun out

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff in your house, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So you see, Violate was a former Israeli citizen who'd

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<v Speaker 3>become an Austrian citizen, but apparently from her time in Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>she knew experts and demolitions. Okay, So, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 3>Elliott when he said he knew a guy, he really

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<v Speaker 3>meant my wife knows a guy. She knows, you know, saboteurs,

0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 3>experienced Israeli saboteurs. It's cool, it's cool. Sure it is

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<v Speaker 3>going to do this job. He's going to need a

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<v Speaker 3>team of them, at least like two three of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So his wife's like, okay, I possibly that has been

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<v Speaker 3>number three to five. Really, if you're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>it right, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like a litter of saboturies.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's like, my wife can help me get this

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<v Speaker 3>litter of experienced Disraeli saboteurs. So they're bouncing around. When

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<v Speaker 3>the couple hits Israel in September sixty six, they pose

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<v Speaker 3>as tourists. They take in the sites, they enjoy the food.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a crazy time to be in Israel, ps.

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<v Speaker 3>For real, and they're over there enjoying the culture of

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<v Speaker 3>the food whatnot. Meanwhile, they spend their time trying to

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<v Speaker 3>recruit a team of demolition experts and so as they're

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<v Speaker 3>asking people, do you know any experienced saboteurs to help

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<v Speaker 3>me pull up a bridge? And they're bouncing around Israel

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<v Speaker 3>while they're on the slide, they're you know, they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to like ask contacts. She knows, you know, have you

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<v Speaker 3>been to Africa? Do you do you want to go

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<v Speaker 3>to Africa?

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<v Speaker 2>Like just the people at the next table.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if you know this, Elizabeth, but

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<v Speaker 3>if you're bouncing around Israel asking people if you people

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<v Speaker 3>you barely know, if they will help you blow up

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<v Speaker 3>a bridge in Africa to influence copper Is, eventually you

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<v Speaker 3>will come to the attention of the Israeli security forces. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I would think so, which is exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those I heard, they don't mess around.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, they're really good about like you want to

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<v Speaker 3>blow up what? Where? When? And they think they're they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're really known for it. Yeah, well no, just like

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<v Speaker 3>they're known for. Like they don't want people like causing

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<v Speaker 3>international incidents. They also don't want people like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>getting out of pocket, so to speak. So, according to

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<v Speaker 3>the Jacob Raider Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives,

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<v Speaker 3>Box fifty four fold er three, after quote learning that

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<v Speaker 3>Elliott was trying to recruit former experts and explosives among

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<v Speaker 3>friends of his wife, Israel started clocking everything they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>So now as they're bouncing around Israel looking to hire

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<v Speaker 3>a team of saboteurs, they're also getting followed by the

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli security forces. I guess the Israeli security forces were

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<v Speaker 3>not subtle, or perhaps someone let the couple know they're

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<v Speaker 3>being watched. I don't know how it went either way.

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<v Speaker 3>Elie decides it's time for him to dip out before

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<v Speaker 3>the Israeli security forces have a chance to arrest him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but get this, he leaves his wife behind in his

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<v Speaker 3>real Oh you're kiddings like, honey, you're on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>You speak the language that sounds like she can take

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<v Speaker 2>care of herself.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing he's assuming they want to rest one of

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<v Speaker 3>their own. Elizabeth Boy, is he wrong? Oh, Israeli security

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 3>forces quote moved in and arrested for Israelis and missus Elliott.

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<v Speaker 3>All five are released on bail after being charged. Huh

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, now we're into October. So at this point

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<v Speaker 3>his wife's arrested, the Israeli saboteurs are out of the picture.

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<v Speaker 3>So Elliott reports back to Ralph Dunbier that the Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>demolition experts that he was approaching for the bridge job

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<v Speaker 3>had quote passport troubles. He buys himself a little time.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll need to find some new guys to blow up

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to use that as my excuse for like

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<v Speaker 2>everything in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon, passport trouble, Like, you know, why didn't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do that project? I don't passport. I've been having passport troubles.

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<v Speaker 3>I know a guy he's having passage.

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<v Speaker 2>Finished your outline for this week's episode, back off man,

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<v Speaker 2>I got passport problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Dealing with the State Department. So the good news is,

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<v Speaker 3>he tells Ralph Dunbier, I know some other guys. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're Americans. So you see, he tells his boss Rolf,

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<v Speaker 3>I know these guys who are a boat captains their

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<v Speaker 3>skin divers in the Miami area. I'll go talk to

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<v Speaker 3>them about blowing up the bridge. I'm sure they'll be interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love how he doesn't give up on the

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<v Speaker 3>bridge demolition job even after his wife is now arrested

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 3>and he's going full on like wannabe CIA guy trying

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<v Speaker 3>to hire random dudes in the Miami area to help

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 3>him with his international intrigues.

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<v Speaker 2>He needed to go get himself an abaloney diver.

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<v Speaker 3>See that, then he would have gotten it done. He

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<v Speaker 3>would have been on this shows less he got the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong one like Frank Sinatra Junior time, and then he

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>would be on the show either way. The American guys

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<v Speaker 3>he knows are these two licensed shipmasters and skin divers

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<v Speaker 3>from Miami. Their names are Philip Armstrong and Paul Woodburn Cuddel.

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<v Speaker 3>He offers them half the money twenty five grand to

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<v Speaker 3>help him pull off this demolition job. The two men

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 3>they're sensible about it, and Elliott says to him, no,

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about it. He'll even allow them to quote

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<v Speaker 3>abort the entire project if it appeared that there was

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<v Speaker 3>a possibility of the loss of life.

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<v Speaker 2>So they got to split twenty five k Yeah, it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve five each. But they're like, don't worry, we're not

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<v Speaker 3>killing anybody. We'll do it early in the morning. We

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 3>don't need to have the train fall in. We just

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<v Speaker 3>need to have the train not be able to cross

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 3>the road.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, okay, okay, but we just don't really want

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<v Speaker 3>to kill anybody. We're not murderers. Man, I'm a skin diver.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we done an environmental impact report on this?

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the steel going to wildlife? Are we going to

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 3>be ruining the Zambizi? Yes, so one of Africa's great rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>So his plan to get into Zambia, or for them

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to get into Zambia is simple. The two Miami skin

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 3>divers are to quote, obtain visas to enter Zambia under

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 3>the guys of being freelance photographers, and to visit several

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 3>other places before and after Zambia to firmly establish their alibi. Huh,

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 3>just like definitely some CIA stuff. Did you tell me

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 3>you're a freelance photographer? You work for Life magazine?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just am suspicious of skin divers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's from the Miami area freelanceographers.

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<v Speaker 2>This is smart, you know, adventurous boatman.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a savvy woman in that regard. I really really

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<v Speaker 3>now to make these dudes believe the job is legit,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Elliott offers Armstrong twenty five hundred as an advance on

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 3>the job, and he offers Caudel a thousand as an advance.

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>So the two Miami skin divers they go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Eli goes back to Ralph Dunba and he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I need the money. So Rolf takes him to a bank.

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 3>He pulls the advanced money out of his personal account.

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Rolf gives Elliott an envelope of forty five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Is like, give this to the Miami skin Divers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on the envelope.

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<v Speaker 3>So now the Zambia plot is in full motion. All

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>they need to do now is get together their bomb

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 3>making materials and ship them to Africa. So the team is.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Saboteurs from like DHL.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, they work out the details of their plan to

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 3>blow up the steel bridge, which I can't imagine is

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 3>an easy structure to bring down. Oh so in the

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 3>bridge on the river quiet. They wring the supports with

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of dynamite and they wire it to a detonator.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 3>That's like I got a pushbar box, god right, like

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<v Speaker 3>the chin in the old cartoons or the miners. I

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>love that. So these guys, I want one of those.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 3>They're gonnasas lights old pushbar detonator. These guys they aren't

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>going to use the old pushbar detonator. Instead, they plan

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 3>to use a quote twenty four hour non electrical timing device.

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>What like a like an alarm clock, a bedroom clock.

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what we were referred to as a twenty four

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 3>hour non electrical timing device would be a clock that

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 3>would totally meet the description.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's one of the ones with the bells on

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<v Speaker 2>the top.

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<v Speaker 3>So the steam and sabotages. They want to set up

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the dynamite and then they can travel and be hopefully

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>hundreds of miles away when the dynamite goes off, either

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 3>or they can be out of the country, or they

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 3>can at least be doing their freelance photography thing.

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to hide in the bushes with like

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a little walkie talkie thing that just has a green

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>light and a right and then you cut to on

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the bridge, like the time going down like all quickly,

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and it goes back and forth between them. I'm just

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>making the movie in my head.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I like it.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I'm making it like an eighties TV show.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro It's yeah, it is very like mcguiver, but I

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 3>like it like eighteen or eighteen yeah, really more a teen.

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So in order to get the dynamite into Zambia, that's

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 3>going to be tricky, right, because people kind of monitoring

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 3>sent them plane. So the team of Sabaturs come up

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>with a rather simple plan to ship it. They're all

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>about simple, these guys. They decide to buy the dynamite

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 3>in the US and then ship it to Zambia. Their

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 3>idea is they can hide the dynamite in wait for it,

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 3>the cabinet of an air conditioner. That's a really big

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 3>thing to send over.

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a huge thing. I would just send crates of

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote fireworks.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Or like candles. These are candles.

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Included candles fireworks. So they say, I heard you guys

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>wanted to have like I.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Think it's a special paperwork for that. It raises questions, right,

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 3>So they don't want any pain in the net customs

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 3>officials to take an interest in what they're shipping to Zambia.

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 3>An air conditioner that seems reasonable, right and shouldn't ressume

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 3>me with questions. And so the Abatur is like, we

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 3>don't need one air conditioner, We're gonna need two air conditions,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. So, as the New York Times reported quote,

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<v Speaker 3>they plan to purchase two identical air conditioners of sufficient size.

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 3>One would be sent without modification as a dry run.

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Now to make sure it all goes off with out

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 3>of get that idea back to the New York Times,

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Elliott would be in Zambia to receive it and observe

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 3>its handling by customs officials. If it passed without close examination,

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the two Florida men were to go to Zambia and

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 3>the other air conditioner with the dynamite packed inside, would

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>be shipped. Now, as we've already noted for their timer,

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 3>they're going to use essentially a clock. Well, Elliot's like, okay,

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I need to find something like a clock. So he

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 3>goes looking for a twenty four hour non electrical timer.

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 3>He goes to like a local hardware store. He comes

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 3>up empty, right, So he's like, well, what about a clock.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>So he goes and that's what he uses. He uses

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 3>quote two old wind up clocks which could be modified.

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Boom done, deal, bomb making done.

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Sho check that off the list.

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>So since the question of the timer and the detonator

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>and the bomb is now sorted, all he's up to

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 3>do is to source the dynamite and ship it to Zambia. Yeah,

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 3>back to the air conditioner units. On October twenty ninth,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty six, the two Miami skin divers turned saboteurs,

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Caudel, quote, purchase two large air conditioners. One

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>unit was shipped to Elliott in New York. The other

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>unit was to be delivered by car to New York

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 3>by one of the men after the dynamite had been

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>packed inside the cabinet. That's a fun drive, I was

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 3>just gonna say, from Miami to New York with her.

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>The beads of sweat coming down.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Air conditioner staff put life explosive. Now, once they get

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 3>paid their advance money, Armstrong and Caudel, they go out

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 3>and they buy fifteen dollars worth of dynamite. But not

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 3>just any old dynamite, Elizabeth, they buy special waterproof dynamite.

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 3>XL the kind of dynamite used commercially to blow up

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 3>underwater rex.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well there's skin divers.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they know about this, right, But if you like me,

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 3>get hung up on the part of fifteen dollars for dynamite. Yeah,

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 3>even in nineteen sixties prices, that still seems like that's

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 3>not enough to take down a steel bridge. Yeah. Admittedly

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about the prices of special waterproof dynamite,

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 3>but it just doesn't sound like enough.

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>But no, not at all, And I do feel like

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I would accidentally buy road I don't know why that

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>just came into my head. But let's go back to

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>fifteen dollars.

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 3>She was going to rip you off with fake dynamite.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, that's what would happen to me. We had

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>road flares in the car and I met when I

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 2>first saw the crap, Oh crap, Grandma's got dynamite in

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>my car, Like, be careful.

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Everybody moviesse caps they blow.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's you know, she may have to sabotage then.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't ask questions.

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 3>There was an international woman of mystery.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>She really was fifteen dollars.

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, of special dynamite too, not just any.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you do any calculations how much that is today?

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>No? I did not do five million dollars. No, I

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 3>did not. Do you want to to.

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Really quick in my head? No, okay, fifteen that's not enough.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 3>No, it was just so little. I was like, that

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 3>can't be much. It can't be much more than few hundred.

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Dollars, like a stick and a half.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So with their plan set, the materials procured. Now

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 3>the detonator and dynamite all worked out. They got the

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 3>alarm clocks, they've got their fifteen dollars of dynamite, got

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 3>the air conditioning, and it's all that's to do. This

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>is ship at all to Zambia and blow up this bridge.

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Is this why we're talking about that?

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 3>But when you know, Elizabeth, this is exactly when fake

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 3>with a capital F steps into the picture. And speaking

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 3>of pictures, I'd like to close your eyes as a clue,

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 3>and I'd like you to picture it. It's November two,

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.720
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty six, a Wednesday, and you, Elizabeth, are currently

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 3>busy at your day job. At night, you spend your

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 3>time working on your one woman play about the disappearance

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 3>of Amelia Earhart. You've struggled with the title, but right

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 3>now you're calling it linn Berg who. Meanwhile, at your

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 3>day job, you don't often display that same sort of

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 3>irreverent sense of humor. Why not because you work for

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Jag or Hoover. That's right. You're a G man, or

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 3>rather you're a G woman, and you are a special

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 3>agent of the FBI. At the moment, you're at the

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Department of Justice building in Washington, DC, where the FBI

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>is currently headquartered, which means you're currently listening to the

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 3>familiar background sound of an army of typewriters as you

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 3>dream of the day when you'll have your own office.

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 3>And that's when you hear it, the sound of an

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 3>incoming message on the telex machine connected to the secure

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 3>phone lines of the FBI. The telex machine is essentially

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 3>the precursor to a fax machine, begins printing out a

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 3>confidential message. Since you're the closest agent, you push back

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 3>from your desk. Your desk chair tweaks against the floor,

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>then your heels count out the rhythm of your walk

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 3>at the telex machine. You have to wait for it

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>to finish printing. Then you tear off this most recent message.

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Since you have clearance for this particular telex machine, you

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 3>read who it's from as well as the body of

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 3>the message in order to ascertain who you should take

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 3>it to. Your eyes widen as you read the message.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Is this a joke. It can't be. It's a cable

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 3>from the US Embassy in Israel. The State Department boys

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 3>aren't known for their sense of humor. This must be real.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 3>You hastily walk down the hallway to a corner office.

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Your heels once again tap out the rhythm of your walk.

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 3>At the corner office switch belongs to this superintendent of

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 3>your section. You knock on the door with a firm,

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 3>yet insistent hand. The gruff voice of your boss says,

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 3>come in. You do as instructed. As the door swings open,

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>he looks up from the file he's perusing to meet

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 3>your eyes. You pause in the doorway again, he instructs

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 3>you come in. Come in. You approach his desk, but

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 3>do not take a seat. In an all business tone,

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 3>you tell your section chief, this cable just came in

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 3>over the telex machine from the US Embassy in Israel,

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 3>but it's not about Israel or the Arabs. Per se

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 3>that's good, he says, relieved. You tell him it is dire,

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>though you hand him the printed out message. Your boss

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 3>has a habit of humming to himself as he reads,

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 3>which he does now. It doesn't take him long to

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 3>read the message. As soon as he's done, his improvised

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 3>humming stops. He looks up to you and ask is

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 3>this real? You not in the affirmative and say I

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>believe so. He sighs, then asks loud, why would the

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Israeli security forces send us this? You replied, Well, as

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 3>far as security services go, shin Beth isn't known to

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 3>play practical jokes. Star, nor do our embassy boys in

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 3>israel I think it's the real deal. Your Section Chief's

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 3>eyes returned to the printed out telex message. He begins

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to read it aloud. Contacted by friends from shin Beth,

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 3>the US Embassy was handed credible evidence. So there's a

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 3>plot to blow up a railroad bridge in the Republic

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 3>of Zambia in Africa. The data planned demolition is November

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 3>eighteenth of this year. Please inform Director Hoover there are

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 3>multiple Americans suspected to be involved in the plot. At present,

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 3>the American conspirators are believed to be stateside. As soon

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.240
<v Speaker 3>as he's done reading the message aloud, he sighs again

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 3>and then asks, why would the Israelis know about this?

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 3>You're a quick to answer, I don't know, sir, but

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 3>they're good. Your section chief looks up and asks, a

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>bridge in Zambia. What in God's name is there in Zambia?

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Now you've read a lot, you keep up on current events,

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 3>and thus you're somewhat familiar with the newly independent nation

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 3>of Zambia and are aware of its main export. So

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 3>you rather confidently suggest, sir, it may have something to

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 3>do with copper production. Copper. Your boss replies, as if

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 3>this is the first time he's ever heard of the medal. Yes, sir,

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 3>you answer, it's their chief export as well. Zambia is landlocked,

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>so they use train cars to shift the copper. Recently,

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 3>copper prices have plummeted on the commodities market. How do

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 3>you know all of this? Your section chief asks, do

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 3>you follow the copper market, Agent Dunton, It's been in

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:31.240
<v Speaker 3>the NEU, Sir. Your tone is respectful of your boss's ignorance. Okay,

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 3>then I guess this might make sense. Take this over

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.479
<v Speaker 3>to the Africa desk and see if they've heard anything

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 3>about blowing up a railroad bridge in Zambia. Yes, sir,

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 3>so there you go, Elizabeth. This is how the FBI

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 3>learns of this CIA style plot to destabilize an African nation,

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 3>but the FBI doesn't immediately act on it. They're not

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 3>even sure if the Israeli supplied info is accurate. The

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Bureau determines that they need to do some digging of

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 3>their own. Luckily they have time at least a couple

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 3>of weeks. But turns out they don't need that much

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 3>time because the very next day, on November three, two

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.959
<v Speaker 3>Miami skin divers Armstrong and Caudel fly north to New York.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.320
<v Speaker 3>They visit the Big Apple looking to meet up with

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Rof Dunbia to get the visas to travel to Zambia.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>The two men they meet Roff Dunbia in the lobby

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 3>of the building that houses the Zambian Mission to the

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 3>United Nations. Rolf shows up with his like to the

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 3>two round trip tickets to Zambia, and then also he's

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 3>got some more advanced money for the job, and the

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>two men are just suppot to hand that over to

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Elliott and at the building that houses the Zambian Mission

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 3>to the United Nations, Dunba and the two Miami skin

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 3>divers they apply for the Zambian visas. The men show

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 3>their round trip tickets and in order to process the paperwork,

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 3>they leave their US passports. Then the two men say

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 3>goodbye to Rof Dunbia and they head back to the

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 3>airport to fly back home to Miami that same day

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 3>round trip. Boom boom boom. When they land, the two

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.919
<v Speaker 3>Miami skin divers they call the Zambian embassy to check

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 3>on the status of their visas and to coordinate their travel.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 3>The two men are informed, your visas have been denied.

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh you see, the Zambient officials were also briefed by

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 3>the Israelis about the plot to blow up a bridge

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 3>in Zambia. And I don't know if the Zambian officials

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>were like they kind of led it on to the

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>two Miami skin divers how much they knew. Maybe their

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 3>tone was just cold or whatnot. But either way, the

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 3>two Miami skin divers they recognized something ate, right, So

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 3>they decide, rather than wait for some g men to

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 3>come around asking questions, they'll go to the FBI themselves

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 3>and tell the bureau what all they know. So they go,

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 3>they tell them all about the plot to blow up

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 3>a bridge in Zambia to raise the international price of copper.

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 3>And when the two Miami skin divers show up at

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 3>the Miami Field office, the f guy is like, go.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>On, They're like, show up in there like pukashell, necklaces

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:45.240
<v Speaker 2>in a loin.

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Cloth, totally just like leaving sand on their carpet everywhere.

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 3>So yes to the Miami agents when they report to

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 3>headquarters in DC what they've heard, which confirms what the

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 3>Israelis told the bureau just the day before. So now

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 3>the FBI springs into action. Okay, Elizabeth, let's pause this

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 3>at yes, and I'll take another little break for some ads,

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 3>and after these messages, we'll dive back into this tale

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 3>of international mystery and see if there's more of the

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 3>unexpected to come. So where were we diving right, Zambia.

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 3>So the FBI has stepped into the picture just days

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 3>before the planned operation to blow up a key bridge

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 3>and Zambia to artificially raise the price of copper around

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 3>the world. Now, since our two Miami skin divers, Armstrong

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 3>and Caudel not only tell the g men all about

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 3>the Zambian plot, they also tell the FBI where they

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 3>can find Elliott in Miami. So the FBI agents take

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 3>a drive over to where Elliott is staying at the time.

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 3>He's laying low to motel, and the FBI shows up

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 3>at the motel. Knock, knock, knock. When the door opens, boom,

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Just like that, Elliott's worst fears have come to fruition. Hi,

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 3>we're at the FBI. Sure so now, Elizabeth. This all

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 3>happens on November third, just one day after the Israeli

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 3>has informed the FBI about this plot.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Elliott doesn't know about any of that part of it,

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 3>so he tries to play it cool, act innocent at naive. Elizabeth,

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 3>what do we always say about what to do when

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 3>the FBI is asking you questions?

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Never ever ever lie.

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Never lie to the FBI, never because most likely

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 3>they already know the answer. Yes, just stacking felonies at

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 3>that point exactly. So anyway, Ellie decides to press his luck, Elizabeth.

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 3>He lies to the FBI. He says he doesn't know

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 3>anything about any plot to blow up a bridge and

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 3>where Africa? You say, he instants he's never heard of

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.800
<v Speaker 3>a bridge in Zambia. He doesn't even know about copper production,

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 3>none of it. Then the FBI agents, they ask him

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 3>about his recent travels to Israel, to England to Ambia.

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh you heard about that? Huh okay, I've been there. Yeah, sure, right,

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 3>He says his recent travels are just part of the

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 3>work he's been doing for a New York affiliate of

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 3>a German metals firm. They're like, and you don't know

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 3>about copper, sir. He's like, I know, little man, I

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 3>mean it is a medal. So the FPI is like, okay,

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 3>well it was a different division. I don't I know

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 3>about accounting and bookkeeping. And so the FBI is like, well, sir,

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.399
<v Speaker 3>what brings you to the Miami area more not metals work.

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 3>And meanwhile, the FBI knows he's in regular contact with

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 3>the two Miami skin divers Armstrong in Caddell, and the

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 3>FBI knows he's in regular contact with another suspect, Ralph Dunba,

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 3>the VP for the German metals firm. Right, Elliott though

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 3>doesn't know it, but his goose is well and fully cooked. Apparently,

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 3>FBI agents go over to interview Armstrong and Caddell on

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 3>November fourth, the next day, and this is like one

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 3>day after the men first contacted the bureau and after

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>the field agents have approached Elliott his at his motel room.

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 3>They're like, okay, give up this with a full story.

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.439
<v Speaker 3>So November fourth, in their interview, the two Miami skin

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 3>divers informed the FBI that they want out of this

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 3>international intrigue, like this is not for us. They were

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 3>weighing way over our heads. We wanted to stop full stop.

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.760
<v Speaker 3>And they confess that after their Zambian visas were denied,

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 3>they just assumed that all their activities had been known

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 3>and that they quickly decided we're going to fully cooperate.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it as like smart moves exactly. So The New

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 3>York Times reported that the two want to be saboteurs

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 3>then tell the FBI that quote, they returned the tickets

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 3>to Zambia and expense money given them by Dunba to

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Elliott and advised Sham that the bargain was off, that

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 3>they intended to cooperate with the FBI.

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh so they really washed their hands, like money minus

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 2>ten dollars that we spent on the hot dis and.

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Gas money, and they tell their co conspirator, we're going

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 3>to the FBI, and he still tries to.

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Play like, I don't know what you're talking about.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 3>So meanwhile, other FBI agents are busy speaking with Ralph

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 3>Dunbier up in New York and back to the New

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 3>York Times reporting, he gave a similar explanation of Elliot's

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 3>connection with the firm and stated Elliott was in Florida

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>on business. He denied any knowledge of the alleged plan

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 3>to sabotage the railroad bridge in Zambia. Zombia. What is Zambia?

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 3>So when he's pressed on his lies, Dunba decides to

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 3>go full on fabulous. He explains the FBI Field office

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 3>that his and Elliot's travels to that country in August

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 3>in September of sixty six is being related to establishing

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 3>representation for the corporation with industry and government officials. Dunba

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 3>explained that the chief business of the firm was trading

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 3>in copper, and Zambia was one of the world's foremost

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.320
<v Speaker 3>producers of copper. They're like, so you do know what

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 3>copper is all about?

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>This?

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 3>No, it's not hard to imagine how this scene's playing out.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 3>He's like trying to be all innocent, but it's like, yeah,

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm often traveling to Africa since the region is resource rich.

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you Americans us know about how that goes.

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Fully aware that the FBI is now onto him and

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 3>his two amateur saboteurs have returned the money and now

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 3>want nothing to do with the planned demolition job, Elliott

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 3>doesn't stick around the Miami area. Instead, he flies up

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 3>to New York to meet with Rol Dunbie, Like, what

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:02.400
<v Speaker 3>are we gonna do? How are we gonna get this

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 3>job done? He's still fixated on his wife has gone,

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 3>his co conspirators are arrested, doesn't matter how many people

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 3>get arrested around him. He is about it right. But

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 3>he's also meanwhile being followed by undercover FBI agents who

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:18.760
<v Speaker 3>tail him to his meeting at Donbia's house. Of course,

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 3>so this closes the circle for the FBI. They decide

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 3>it's time to act before these two desperate idiots are

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 3>able to draft any new amateur saboteurs into their Zambian plot.

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 3>The very next day, November fifth, Elliott Dumba, they get

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.400
<v Speaker 3>arrested by the FBI agents. The two men are charged

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 3>with conspiring within the US to destroy a railroad bridge

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 3>in Zambia. After their charge, both men are freed on

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 3>bail as it goes. So now we have a full

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 3>on international plot of intrigue involving a German medals firm,

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Israeli security forces, the Zambian copper industry, a pair of

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Miami skin divers turned amateur saboteurs, and of course Elliott

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.760
<v Speaker 3>and Dumba. This story hits the headlines like a hammer

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 3>dropped on your foot. Right number six, The New York

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Times publishes a front page story with the headline FBI

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.839
<v Speaker 3>sees is two and charges plot on Zambia copper two

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>held in plot on Zambia copper all caps right. Two

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 3>days later, they run another story with the headline new

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 3>arrests tied to copper plot. US attorney says Israel has

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 3>seized four persons That would be Elliot's wife and her

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 3>band of.

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Sabote yeahs her guys, who know guys?

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 3>So at this point the Israeli security forces are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hey,

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 3>leave us out, man, Why are you dragging us into

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.879
<v Speaker 3>the spotlight? So back to the Jacob Raider Marcus Center

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 3>of the American Jewish Archives, Box fifty four fold or

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:39.320
<v Speaker 3>three according to the Archives. Israeli officials have intended to

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 3>keep the story secret, but after the United States authorities

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 3>revealed contacts between Israelis and Americans in the plot, the

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Israeli police revealed Israel's detective work against the alleged plotters.

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 3>So they're like, look, man, we're going to have to

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 3>embarrass y'all if you're going to embarrass us, yeah, yeah, So,

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:57.760
<v Speaker 3>as the story continues to unfold and claim victims, Elliott

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 3>then asked for the charges against him to be dismissed.

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Way do you hear what his grounds are for? Why

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 3>to dismiss the charges? Elizabeth, his lawyer argues that according

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 3>to the Neutrality Act, what he did isn't technically a crime.

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 3>To make his case, the lawyer tries to essentially embarrass

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 3>the FEDS by citing the fact that the commandos from

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 3>the Bay of Pigs fiasco stopped were never charged and

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 3>this also is the same for a nineteen sixties Ara

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.359
<v Speaker 3>plot to invade Haiti, and thus his clients should also

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 3>walk for you don't charge them, can't charge.

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Him, right, amazing.

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 3>So the lawyer argues in court that his client's charges

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 3>should be dismissed since quote, no similar action had been

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:39.320
<v Speaker 3>taken by this country against participants in the Bay of

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Pigs attack on Cuba and the recent Haitian invasion plot.

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 3>He added that his indictment was the first time in

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 3>the fifty year history of the Neutrality Act that anyone

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 3>had been charged with violating the pertinent section. He contended

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 3>that the law was void because of its disuse. The

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 3>judge in this case was like, yeah, no, that's not

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 3>how that works. So in March's sixty seven he then

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 3>appeals that into March sixty seven. In the case United

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 3>States versus Elliot, the Southern District of New York rules

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 3>that quote, defendant has requested this court to take judicial

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 3>notice of various crises and acts in furtherance of international relations.

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 3>The Court cannot help being aware of the delicacy of

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 3>American foreign relations, particularly in such areas as Africa. The

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 3>offense charged, if consummated, clearly would have disrupted the economy

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 3>of a nation. It is inconceivable that such an act

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.799
<v Speaker 3>conceived in America and perpetrated by Americans would not have

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 3>seriously affected American relations with Zambia. The prevention of the

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 3>deed and the prosecution of the culprits, if only to

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 3>show the complete lack of any official complicity, makes such

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 3>proceedings imperative, and it is well within the legitimate interests

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 3>of the United States government. Oh yeah, so read that

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 3>as we need to show Zambia we ain't down with this.

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Nothing to do with it is.

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 3>These amateur saboteurs, ain't CIA people. Because we're looking bad

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 3>these days after the pigs, Like, we can't have everyone thinking,

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 3>like anytime somebody's who's an American who claims to be

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 3>a freelance photographer, that the CIA is involved. So they're like,

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 3>we have to throw the book at your guy. Sorry,

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 3>we were so bad at this stuff. We need to

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 3>punish this guy who's worse than us. So the next month,

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.240
<v Speaker 3>in April, his wife, Violet Elliott gets sentenced in Israel

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 3>to quote a year in prison on a charge of

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 3>failing to inform police of an alleged plot to blow

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:25.400
<v Speaker 3>up a railway bridge in Zambia. That same month, April

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 3>sixty seven, Ralph Dunbia pleads guilty as charge. He's like,

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 3>look I'm done, sure, gentleman, I'm going to be reasonable

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 3>about this. But the next year, in May of sixty eight,

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 3>before he's sentenced, Dunba dies in a car crash in

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 3>New York. The thirty seven year old Dunbia was driving

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.280
<v Speaker 3>at five point thirty in the morning when he allegedly

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 3>lost control of his car on the Palisade Interstate Parkway

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and crashed into an abutment a single car accident. Now,

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 3>while his death may be suspicious, it was ruled a

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 3>single car accident, and thus our one percent guarantee doesn't

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 3>come into play.

0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 2>True, that is true.

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 3>It was determined that Dunbia fell asleep at the wheel. Now,

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 3>our researcher, Marissa noted that in a local newspaper there's

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:07.479
<v Speaker 3>this image of the wrecked car and there's neighborhood kids

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.280
<v Speaker 3>are like playing around the wreck car, and the caption

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 3>of the photo states that the wrecked road runner is

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 3>that Bill's sitko in non New yet New York. Bill

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.680
<v Speaker 3>always puts major Rex out in front of the shop.

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Wait so you can just go take a look.

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 3>See Yeah, it's Marissa noted, Bill, can you please explain?

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, the kids are playing totally like,

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 3>what's up with Bill displaying grizzly car wrecks out in

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:33.240
<v Speaker 3>front of his shop?

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Bill is honest about human nature?

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Was he trying to get free advertising in the local paper?

0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Or is he like a vehicle safety nut and he

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to remind people to drive more safely. I

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know your guys as good as mine, but Bill

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 3>was about about it. Anyway. Back to Elliott, who's yet

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 3>to be tried in sentenced after his appeal to have

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 3>his charges dropped is thrown out. Eventually justice does get served.

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 3>On June seventeen, nineteen sixty eight, Elliott pleads guilty. He

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 3>offers to testify against the German medals firm if that

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 3>will help him out. And it's like they conceived of

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 3>and paid for the Zambian plot. Sure, So this fella

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:10.680
<v Speaker 3>named Paul Lazarus who works with Friedrich Zohner. He was

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 3>also like tangentially involved in the planning and the machinations

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 3>of the early phases. He works at the German metals firm.

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 3>So he gets indicted and tried, and since Rolf Dunbia

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.320
<v Speaker 3>is dead, they're like, we let's move on to Paul Lazarus.

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so po Lazarus.

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 3>In November sixty eight, Lazarus stands trial. One week later,

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 3>he's found guilty and he's sentenced to nothing. Oh instead,

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 3>he's fined thirty five hundred dollars. Okay, the German Medals.

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:37.359
<v Speaker 2>You know how much dynamite you can find?

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 3>My boatloads exactly, So the German Medals firm, they received

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 3>the sort of justice that we might expect from a

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 3>modern corporation. The firm gets acquitted of any responsibility in

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the Zambian plot, because how could they know what's our

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 3>employees are doing.

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.240
<v Speaker 3>So meanwhile, as thanks for his cooperation with the Feds,

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Elliott gets sentenced to one year in jail, but he's

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 3>also given us this spended sentence and he's placed on

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 3>probation for a term of three years. So he never

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<v Speaker 3>really is other than being held while waiting for trial.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it, sure, And that Elizabeth is the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the Zampian plot. So I got to ask you, what's

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<v Speaker 3>our ridiculous takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. You know, I like to think that

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<v Speaker 2>when opportunities come my way, I'll take them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just like hey like be open, take the blinders off. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that we need to be selective when

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<v Speaker 2>those opportunities come our way. And so just because something

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<v Speaker 2>cool like hey, you want to go to Zambia, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yes, something up in Zambia?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't. I got nothing hold me here yet, No,

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<v Speaker 2>no to think, think a little bit more about it, Saren,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>I would have been a mess in the sixties if

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<v Speaker 3>I was around these guys like hanging out these people

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<v Speaker 3>like E. Howard Hunt types.

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<v Speaker 2>Or like sixties and seventies, you would have been I

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<v Speaker 2>would be telling stories about you, yes, podcast, if I

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<v Speaker 2>had one of.

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<v Speaker 3>Those like heart attack guns that they held up in

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<v Speaker 3>the church hearings, or like the ability to get on

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<v Speaker 3>flights and go to like former colonial Africa as like

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<v Speaker 3>a CIA plant, I mean, working against my people.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have just been a oh, we know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a CIA plant.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, good point, a point persuading young minds and influencing

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<v Speaker 3>the nations. Well you in the mood for a talkback

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<v Speaker 3>to Washes.

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<v Speaker 2>I am always in a mood for.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I went Regina Gentleman host Dizzy. The Pizza Connection episode

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<v Speaker 4>reminded me that back in the nineteen eighties. My step

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<v Speaker 4>mother's brother was the big family success with all of

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<v Speaker 4>his coin operated car washes, and in fact I almost

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<v Speaker 4>went to work for him, managing several locations. Turned out

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<v Speaker 4>the real success was as a drug traffickers throughout southern California,

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<v Speaker 4>and those not for washing cars, but for washing money.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how I almost joined the cartel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cartel member, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>You missed out, dudeud Always.

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<v Speaker 3>Be suspicious of a family member who runs car washes

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<v Speaker 3>coin operated laundromats. These are just money laundering operations, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what anyone tells you. I know so, dude, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a great story. Thank you for sharing with it. That

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<v Speaker 3>is straight up ridiculous crime averted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as always, you can find us online Ridiculous Crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Up for, but you know it's stiff competition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now just for the makeup alone. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>we had that kind of budget. We were given to

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<v Speaker 3>They really really did, and we don't ask much of them,

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<v Speaker 3>there you go. That's all I got for you this time.

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