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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of Iheartradiod Elizabeth Burnett.

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Speaker 2: We meet again, So good to see, so good to see.

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Speaker 3: Bring you to headquarters today.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I just want to hang out here.

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Speaker 3: A story that's great. You know what's ridiculous I do.

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Speaker 2: Listen. Listen here bub a couple of things you need

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Speaker 2: to know about me.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got a pen paper, go on, tell

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Speaker 3: me one.

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Speaker 2: I like tooled leather. Two, I like tacos. Three I

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Speaker 2: like gardening.

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Speaker 3: I'm so afraid these things are going to be matching.

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Speaker 2: One of those is just a fun fact, but the

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Speaker 2: other two, yes, or what I'm going to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about today. And let me let me also just

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Speaker 2: say that I found out about this before all of

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Speaker 2: the rude dudes started sending messages look at you. This

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Speaker 2: came into my Instagram feed and it was like chill

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Speaker 2: ran down my spine. Yeah, and my pupils dilated, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, because one it's awesome too.

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Speaker 2: I knew I was about to be inundated and everyone's

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Speaker 2: going to forward me forward before and that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Because I can always depend on the root like that

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Speaker 2: they deliver it.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't seemed to hate me.

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Speaker 2: I had maybe like a twenty four hour lead on it.

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Speaker 3: Oh good you yeah wow girl.

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Speaker 2: In the rhythm algorithm.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, there's lifestyle instagrams like we're gonna hit you

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Speaker 3: up early girl exactly.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta be in it to win it.

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Speaker 2: So there's this dude, Guillermo Quivas of Done Right Leather Works. Sure,

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Speaker 2: he's a master craftsman. I believe he's built one of

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Speaker 2: a kind pieces, one of one for people like Kendrick Lamar.

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Speaker 3: I like him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Uh And Glenn Powell. Is he one

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Speaker 2: of those uh top Gun guys?

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Speaker 3: Yes, he was in the new Top Gun the Maverick.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this. All the time, I'll

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Speaker 2: see some white guy with like dirty brown, dirty blonde

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Speaker 2: Gun guy? And you're like yes every time?

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Speaker 3: And man, the new running Man does the running Man

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Speaker 3: is the running man? It's not Tom Cruise. Surprisingly, he's

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Speaker 3: known for his run.

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Speaker 2: His alarms and run his legs. Anyway, so this Done

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Speaker 2: Right Leather Works. They they got together with two companies, Venmo.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the cool part.

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Speaker 3: Really, you got to tell me that sister.

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Speaker 2: The cool part. The third in this triad is Taco

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Speaker 2: Bell and they created I'm Losing count Taco Holster and

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Speaker 2: it's a blue tooled leather and I'm gonna show you

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Speaker 2: a picture, which is really obnoxious for those who are

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Speaker 2: simply listening. But if you go on to our Instagram

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Speaker 2: feed on the day this episode comes out, you go

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Speaker 2: into the stories, there'll be a picture, or you can

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Speaker 2: just google taco holster and really generous. Well it has

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Speaker 2: to do with this, like canteena chicken taco thing I

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Speaker 2: got going on now here. I was like, oh snap,

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Speaker 2: this came into my feet. I'm about to get taco Holster.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited, and I had to keep it to myself.

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Speaker 2: I told I told my dogs. I was like, you guys,

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Speaker 2: you're never gonna believe this.

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Speaker 3: Mama's getting a taco taco holster.

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Speaker 2: And then I looked it up and I found out that,

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Speaker 2: uh it, you only had one shot to.

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Speaker 3: Do it, oh one day, just one shot at one.

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Speaker 2: Time, two to three pm Pacific time, which I love

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Speaker 2: that they're doing it Pacific times. Show some love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: November eighteen. November eighteenth, I missed it it's past. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I slipping missed it.

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Speaker 3: Where and you got the twenty four hour head start?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't get the blue taco holster to

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Speaker 2: old leathers erin Where is the justice? Because the thing

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Speaker 2: I mentioned gardening, because like you can eat your taco

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Speaker 2: while you're gardening, and then when you're done, you put

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Speaker 3: Why, I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's that times. It's coming into winter, it's time to

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Speaker 3: Pruning. Yeah, all the gardening. I understand to know how

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. A taco ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: A leather tools brought to you by Venmo somehow?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do they do this on purpose for me

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Speaker 3: I feel like the world's conspiring against me when you

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're just teasing me. They're showing me

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Speaker 3: You do seem to miss out except for a couple

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Speaker 3: of times where the rude dudes have come through for

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Speaker 3: they let you know to like who's winning these things?

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Speaker 3: How do you stay up. It seems like it's insider

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Speaker 3: trading Taco Taco Bell connect. Yes, who's your plug at Venmo?

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the marketing department at Venmo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Let's say you are like overextended financially right, and so,

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Speaker 3: in your desperation to get back on firm financial footing,

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Speaker 3: you make a plan with these two shady dudes from Miami,

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Speaker 3: Oh to blow up a bridge in Africa. The question

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Speaker 3: is is will that work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I'm at the edge of my seat.

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Speaker 3: I know right came in hot libit. This one, I

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Speaker 3: want to tell you today is a wild one. It

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Speaker 3: sounds like it like when the stories of this first

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Speaker 3: of the related arrest you hear you well, he says,

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Speaker 3: and I quote when I first heard it, I thought

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Speaker 3: it was fantastic. It was almost like a dime novel fantastic.

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Speaker 2: But it happened he's using fantastic and the proper.

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Speaker 3: Use of that is true.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: And you know another word that we've lost that used

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Speaker 3: to be used in a similar circumstance was terrific. Correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like it was like you know, anyway, this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's another one. This description, his description rather is accurate.

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Speaker 3: This is one like the plot of a dime novel

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, Elizabeth, before we get into today's show, I

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Speaker 3: need to ask you to count them two.

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Speaker 2: Questions, tacos and gardening.

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Speaker 3: I'm skipping past that one. Have you ever seen the

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Speaker 3: movie The Bridge on the River Qui long ago?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool? That helps.

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Speaker 2: I was an extra.

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Speaker 3: What's your third favorite.

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Speaker 2: Scene the Quhi?

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Speaker 3: As you know, the whistling, the whistling? Yes? Can you

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Speaker 3: can you favorite for the piece?

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Speaker 2: I can't hit the high note there it is. This

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Speaker 3: As you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to everyone with dogs.

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Speaker 2: Or who you know. They they've triggered because of previous

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Speaker 2: Have I ever walked down the street and you had

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Speaker 3: River as you No, I have not really damage to

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Speaker 3: the construction worker who whistled the bridge on the river.

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Speaker 3: It's cool at various male people postal carriers anyway. I

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Speaker 3: often quote this movie Elizabeth Well one line in particular,

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Speaker 3: after the star William Holden, he manages to escape a

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Speaker 3: the very same bridge that the prisoners of war were building.

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Speaker 3: So the British commando he wants William Holden, who's the star,

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Speaker 3: At that point, William Holden horrified by this development and

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Speaker 3: I tell you this story. Okay, question two, what do

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Speaker 3: So, just like the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Zambia

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Speaker 3: in order to get the copper out of the country

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Speaker 3: or at least they did at the time of this story. Sure,

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Speaker 3: which brings us to the story I want to tell

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Speaker 3: you today. Nice, Let's start with the man at the

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Speaker 3: center of this story of saboteurs and copper price manipulation.

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Speaker 3: His name is j. Aubrey Elliott. Totally No, I mean,

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Speaker 3: the FBI will tell you a different name, but that's

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Speaker 3: only because really, Yeah, if you look at the FBI's

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Speaker 3: reports on this, they have like doubling all these names.

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Speaker 3: You're like, why would you do that to us? FBI?

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Speaker 2: What they like they had like a code name, like

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Speaker 2: a fake.

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Speaker 3: Name basically, Yeah, and so you had to go to

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Speaker 3: contemporaneous reporting to find out all the real names Marissa

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Speaker 3: and I had our research on Marissa, and I had

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Speaker 3: And but she did a fantastic bang up job.

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Speaker 2: Is she not like one of the most incredible human beings?

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Speaker 3: The best? Absolutely the best? So j Aubrey Elliott. He's

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Speaker 3: So back to Elliott, his boss Roth offers him fifty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's there?

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Speaker 3: Now totally with their agreements, said, Elliott gets to planning

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Speaker 3: the unexpected. Yes we're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are. You

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Speaker 3: they take a trip together to Zambia to do some scouting.

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00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: They want to do some recon so they also want

439
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: to make some connections. So apparently, according to contemporaneous news reports,

440
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 3: Ralph Dunbier speaks with somebody he knows and he asked

441
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: his contact to quote report conditions affecting Kappa production and

442
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 3: also dumba Quote was especially interested in interruptions in transportation.

443
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: Now, why was the price plummeting. Again, I do not.

444
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: Know the market fluctuations because America is the leading producer

445
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: and then Zambia is the second one, and for whatever reason,

446
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 3: the market plummets the market.

447
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: She's fickle, Yes, she.

448
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: Is so, As Dumbier reported.

449
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: I honestly thought maybe you said it. I forgotten.

450
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I never said it. It was honestly,

451
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't really important to be in the research because

452
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know, market's.

453
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: Gown by myself.

454
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: All buy it plummeted. There, there you go.

455
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: That's all I know.

456
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: Dumbier reportedly quote left some items stored in this individual's home.

457
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: One I wasn't at shay case containing six sticks of

458
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: dynamite and some detonator caps. Also left right, German made

459
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: short wave radio and a pair of shoes. I love

460
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 3: the pair of shoes, right, I love this sabotage materials

461
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: list with a pair of shoes.

462
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: That's a pair of kids.

463
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: Like were they special shoes? Like you know, like how

464
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: moonshiners used to wear those shoes that would like weird

465
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 3: prints like a cow walked here.

466
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just wondering where they, like, you know how,

467
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: mister Rogers you know he's out in his city shoes. Yeah,

468
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: he's got to put on his tennis.

469
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

470
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: Is that what these are for? Is this?

471
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: Like?

472
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Those are your your bombing shoes?

473
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: Oh? I was also wondering if they were like expensive

474
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: designer shoes like the old Popeio used to wear.

475
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, slippers.

476
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I was like, he's German.

477
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: It'd be like, I want to feel special when I'm

478
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 2: putting the dynamite out, So I'm going to put them

479
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: a fancy slippers, my high heels, sneacret or they want

480
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: to get into like some comfy shoes or like maybe

481
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: dance shoes, you know, light on their lights.

482
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: He's like, I've got your little dan skins legs.

483
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: Diamond over here is going to plant some months.

484
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: I wish I had answers, but all the reporting says

485
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 3: is a pair of shoes.

486
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: So the mystery, my mind, it races.

487
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: Anyway. After their recon trip to Zambia later that same month,

488
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: September of sixty six, j Aubrey Elliott and his wife

489
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: Violet Elliott, they take a trip to Israel. Okay, why Israel?

490
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: Great question, Elizabeth. They visit Israel to see what's what

491
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: with saboteurs.

492
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: You see, there's like a booth at the airport.

493
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: You have to understand Israel, like in the sixties, they're

494
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 3: going through it, right, Yeah, so they got a lot

495
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: of experienced people when it comes to like blowing things

496
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: up and like you know, like building a gun out

497
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: of the stuff in your house, you know.

498
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

499
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: So you see, Violate was a former Israeli citizen who'd

500
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: become an Austrian citizen, but apparently from her time in Israel,

501
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: she knew experts and demolitions. Okay, So, as it turns out,

502
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: Elliott when he said he knew a guy, he really

503
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: meant my wife knows a guy. She knows, you know, saboteurs,

504
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: experienced Israeli saboteurs. It's cool, it's cool. Sure it is

505
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: going to do this job. He's going to need a

506
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: team of them, at least like two three of them.

507
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: So his wife's like, okay, I possibly that has been

508
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: number three to five. Really, if you're going to do

509
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: it right, you know.

510
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: You're like a litter of saboturies.

511
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: So he's like, my wife can help me get this

512
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: litter of experienced Disraeli saboteurs. So they're bouncing around. When

513
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: the couple hits Israel in September sixty six, they pose

514
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: as tourists. They take in the sites, they enjoy the food.

515
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: That's a crazy time to be in Israel, ps.

516
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: For real, and they're over there enjoying the culture of

517
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: the food whatnot. Meanwhile, they spend their time trying to

518
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: recruit a team of demolition experts and so as they're

519
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: asking people, do you know any experienced saboteurs to help

520
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: me pull up a bridge? And they're bouncing around Israel

521
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: while they're on the slide, they're you know, they're trying

522
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: to like ask contacts. She knows, you know, have you

523
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: been to Africa? Do you do you want to go

524
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: to Africa?

525
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: Like just the people at the next table.

526
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know this, Elizabeth, but

527
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: if you're bouncing around Israel asking people if you people

528
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: you barely know, if they will help you blow up

529
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: a bridge in Africa to influence copper Is, eventually you

530
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: will come to the attention of the Israeli security forces. Yeah,

531
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: I would think so, which is exactly what happens.

532
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, those I heard, they don't mess around.

533
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: Oh no, they're really good about like you want to

534
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: blow up what? Where? When? And they think they're they're

535
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: they're really known for it. Yeah, well no, just like

536
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: they're known for. Like they don't want people like causing

537
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: international incidents. They also don't want people like, you know,

538
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: getting out of pocket, so to speak. So, according to

539
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: the Jacob Raider Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives,

540
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Box fifty four fold er three, after quote learning that

541
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: Elliott was trying to recruit former experts and explosives among

542
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: friends of his wife, Israel started clocking everything they're doing.

543
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: So now as they're bouncing around Israel looking to hire

544
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: a team of saboteurs, they're also getting followed by the

545
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: Israeli security forces. I guess the Israeli security forces were

546
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: not subtle, or perhaps someone let the couple know they're

547
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: being watched. I don't know how it went either way.

548
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Elie decides it's time for him to dip out before

549
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: the Israeli security forces have a chance to arrest him. Yeah,

550
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: but get this, he leaves his wife behind in his

551
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: real Oh you're kiddings like, honey, you're on your own.

552
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: You speak the language that sounds like she can take

553
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: care of herself.

554
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm guessing he's assuming they want to rest one of

555
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: their own. Elizabeth Boy, is he wrong? Oh, Israeli security

556
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: forces quote moved in and arrested for Israelis and missus Elliott.

557
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: All five are released on bail after being charged. Huh

558
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, now we're into October. So at this point

559
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: his wife's arrested, the Israeli saboteurs are out of the picture.

560
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: So Elliott reports back to Ralph Dunbier that the Israeli

561
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: demolition experts that he was approaching for the bridge job

562
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: had quote passport troubles. He buys himself a little time.

563
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: He'll need to find some new guys to blow up

564
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: the bridge.

565
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: I want to use that as my excuse for like

566
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: everything in my life.

567
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: Soon, passport trouble, Like, you know, why didn't you.

568
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: Do that project? I don't passport. I've been having passport troubles.

569
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: I know a guy he's having passage.

570
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Finished your outline for this week's episode, back off man,

571
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: I got passport problems.

572
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: Dealing with the State Department. So the good news is,

573
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: he tells Ralph Dunbier, I know some other guys. Oh yeah,

574
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: they're Americans. So you see, he tells his boss Rolf,

575
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: I know these guys who are a boat captains their

576
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: skin divers in the Miami area. I'll go talk to

577
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: them about blowing up the bridge. I'm sure they'll be interested.

578
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

579
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: And I love how he doesn't give up on the

580
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: bridge demolition job even after his wife is now arrested

581
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: and he's going full on like wannabe CIA guy trying

582
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: to hire random dudes in the Miami area to help

583
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: him with his international intrigues.

584
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: He needed to go get himself an abaloney diver.

585
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: See that, then he would have gotten it done. He

586
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: would have been on this shows less he got the

587
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: wrong one like Frank Sinatra Junior time, and then he

588
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: would be on the show either way. The American guys

589
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: he knows are these two licensed shipmasters and skin divers

590
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: from Miami. Their names are Philip Armstrong and Paul Woodburn Cuddel.

591
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: He offers them half the money twenty five grand to

592
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: help him pull off this demolition job. The two men

593
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: they're sensible about it, and Elliott says to him, no,

594
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: don't worry about it. He'll even allow them to quote

595
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: abort the entire project if it appeared that there was

596
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: a possibility of the loss of life.

597
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: So they got to split twenty five k Yeah, it's like.

598
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: Twelve five each. But they're like, don't worry, we're not

599
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: killing anybody. We'll do it early in the morning. We

600
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: don't need to have the train fall in. We just

601
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: need to have the train not be able to cross

602
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: the road.

603
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

604
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, okay, but we just don't really want

605
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: to kill anybody. We're not murderers. Man, I'm a skin diver.

606
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: Have we done an environmental impact report on this?

607
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: Where's the steel going to wildlife? Are we going to

608
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: be ruining the Zambizi? Yes, so one of Africa's great rivers.

609
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: Think about it, guys.

610
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: So his plan to get into Zambia, or for them

611
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: to get into Zambia is simple. The two Miami skin

612
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: divers are to quote, obtain visas to enter Zambia under

613
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: the guys of being freelance photographers, and to visit several

614
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: other places before and after Zambia to firmly establish their alibi. Huh,

615
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: just like definitely some CIA stuff. Did you tell me

616
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: you're a freelance photographer? You work for Life magazine?

617
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: Like I just am suspicious of skin divers.

618
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: It's from the Miami area freelanceographers.

619
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: This is smart, you know, adventurous boatman.

620
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: You're a savvy woman in that regard. I really really

621
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: now to make these dudes believe the job is legit,

622
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: Elliott offers Armstrong twenty five hundred as an advance on

623
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: the job, and he offers Caudel a thousand as an advance.

624
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: So the two Miami skin divers they go for it.

625
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: So Eli goes back to Ralph Dunba and he's like,

626
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: I need the money. So Rolf takes him to a bank.

627
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: He pulls the advanced money out of his personal account.

628
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: Rolf gives Elliott an envelope of forty five hundred dollars.

629
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: Is like, give this to the Miami skin Divers.

630
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: It's on the envelope.

631
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: So now the Zambia plot is in full motion. All

632
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: they need to do now is get together their bomb

633
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: making materials and ship them to Africa. So the team is.

634
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Saboteurs from like DHL.

635
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: Right, they work out the details of their plan to

636
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: blow up the steel bridge, which I can't imagine is

637
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: an easy structure to bring down. Oh so in the

638
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: bridge on the river quiet. They wring the supports with

639
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: a bunch of dynamite and they wire it to a detonator.

640
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: That's like I got a pushbar box, god right, like

641
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: the chin in the old cartoons or the miners. I

642
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: love that. So these guys, I want one of those.

643
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: They're gonnasas lights old pushbar detonator. These guys they aren't

644
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: going to use the old pushbar detonator. Instead, they plan

645
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: to use a quote twenty four hour non electrical timing device.

646
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: What like a like an alarm clock, a bedroom clock.

647
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we were referred to as a twenty four

648
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: hour non electrical timing device would be a clock that

649
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: would totally meet the description.

650
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: So there's one of the ones with the bells on

651
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: the top.

652
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: So the steam and sabotages. They want to set up

653
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: the dynamite and then they can travel and be hopefully

654
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: hundreds of miles away when the dynamite goes off, either

655
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: or they can be out of the country, or they

656
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: can at least be doing their freelance photography thing.

657
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: They don't want to hide in the bushes with like

658
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: a little walkie talkie thing that just has a green

659
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: light and a right and then you cut to on

660
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: the bridge, like the time going down like all quickly,

661
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: and it goes back and forth between them. I'm just

662
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: making the movie in my head.

663
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: I like it.

664
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm making it like an eighties TV show.

665
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: Bro It's yeah, it is very like mcguiver, but I

666
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: like it like eighteen or eighteen yeah, really more a teen.

667
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: So in order to get the dynamite into Zambia, that's

669
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: going to be tricky, right, because people kind of monitoring

670
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: sent them plane. So the team of Sabaturs come up

671
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: with a rather simple plan to ship it. They're all

672
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: about simple, these guys. They decide to buy the dynamite

673
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: in the US and then ship it to Zambia. Their

674
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: idea is they can hide the dynamite in wait for it,

675
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: the cabinet of an air conditioner. That's a really big

676
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: thing to send over.

677
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: It's a huge thing. I would just send crates of

678
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: quote unquote fireworks.

679
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: Or like candles. These are candles.

680
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Included candles fireworks. So they say, I heard you guys

681
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: wanted to have like I.

682
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Think it's a special paperwork for that. It raises questions, right,

683
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: So they don't want any pain in the net customs

684
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: officials to take an interest in what they're shipping to Zambia.

685
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: An air conditioner that seems reasonable, right and shouldn't ressume

686
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: me with questions. And so the Abatur is like, we

687
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: don't need one air conditioner, We're gonna need two air conditions,

688
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: I think. So, as the New York Times reported quote,

689
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: they plan to purchase two identical air conditioners of sufficient size.

690
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: One would be sent without modification as a dry run.

691
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: Now to make sure it all goes off with out

692
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: of get that idea back to the New York Times,

693
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: Elliott would be in Zambia to receive it and observe

694
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: its handling by customs officials. If it passed without close examination,

695
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: the two Florida men were to go to Zambia and

696
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: the other air conditioner with the dynamite packed inside, would

697
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: be shipped. Now, as we've already noted for their timer,

698
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: they're going to use essentially a clock. Well, Elliot's like, okay,

699
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: I need to find something like a clock. So he

700
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: goes looking for a twenty four hour non electrical timer.

701
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: He goes to like a local hardware store. He comes

702
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: up empty, right, So he's like, well, what about a clock.

703
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: So he goes and that's what he uses. He uses

704
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: quote two old wind up clocks which could be modified.

705
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: Boom done, deal, bomb making done.

706
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Sho check that off the list.

707
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: So since the question of the timer and the detonator

708
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: and the bomb is now sorted, all he's up to

709
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: do is to source the dynamite and ship it to Zambia. Yeah,

710
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: back to the air conditioner units. On October twenty ninth,

711
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six, the two Miami skin divers turned saboteurs,

712
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Caudel, quote, purchase two large air conditioners. One

713
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: unit was shipped to Elliott in New York. The other

714
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: unit was to be delivered by car to New York

715
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: by one of the men after the dynamite had been

716
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: packed inside the cabinet. That's a fun drive, I was

717
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: just gonna say, from Miami to New York with her.

718
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: The beads of sweat coming down.

719
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: Air conditioner staff put life explosive. Now, once they get

720
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: paid their advance money, Armstrong and Caudel, they go out

721
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: and they buy fifteen dollars worth of dynamite. But not

722
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: just any old dynamite, Elizabeth, they buy special waterproof dynamite.

723
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: XL the kind of dynamite used commercially to blow up

724
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: underwater rex.

725
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well there's skin divers.

726
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah they know about this, right, But if you like me,

727
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: get hung up on the part of fifteen dollars for dynamite. Yeah,

728
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: even in nineteen sixties prices, that still seems like that's

729
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: not enough to take down a steel bridge. Yeah. Admittedly

730
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't know about the prices of special waterproof dynamite,

731
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: but it just doesn't sound like enough.

732
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: But no, not at all, And I do feel like

733
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: I would accidentally buy road I don't know why that

734
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: just came into my head. But let's go back to

735
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars.

736
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: She was going to rip you off with fake dynamite.

737
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, that's what would happen to me. We had

738
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: road flares in the car and I met when I

739
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: first saw the crap, Oh crap, Grandma's got dynamite in

740
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: my car, Like, be careful.

741
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: Everybody moviesse caps they blow.

742
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's you know, she may have to sabotage then.

743
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

744
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't ask questions.

745
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: There was an international woman of mystery.

746
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: She really was fifteen dollars.

747
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: Yes, of special dynamite too, not just any.

748
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Do you do any calculations how much that is today?

749
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: No? I did not do five million dollars. No, I

750
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: did not. Do you want to to.

751
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: Really quick in my head? No, okay, fifteen that's not enough.

752
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: No, it was just so little. I was like, that

753
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: can't be much. It can't be much more than few hundred.

754
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: Dollars, like a stick and a half.

755
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So with their plan set, the materials procured. Now

756
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: the detonator and dynamite all worked out. They got the

757
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: alarm clocks, they've got their fifteen dollars of dynamite, got

758
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: the air conditioning, and it's all that's to do. This

759
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: is ship at all to Zambia and blow up this bridge.

760
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: Is this why we're talking about that?

761
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: But when you know, Elizabeth, this is exactly when fake

762
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: with a capital F steps into the picture. And speaking

763
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: of pictures, I'd like to close your eyes as a clue,

764
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: and I'd like you to picture it. It's November two,

765
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six, a Wednesday, and you, Elizabeth, are currently

766
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: busy at your day job. At night, you spend your

767
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: time working on your one woman play about the disappearance

768
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: of Amelia Earhart. You've struggled with the title, but right

769
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: now you're calling it linn Berg who. Meanwhile, at your

770
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: day job, you don't often display that same sort of

771
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: irreverent sense of humor. Why not because you work for

772
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: Jag or Hoover. That's right. You're a G man, or

773
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: rather you're a G woman, and you are a special

774
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: agent of the FBI. At the moment, you're at the

775
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: Department of Justice building in Washington, DC, where the FBI

776
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: is currently headquartered, which means you're currently listening to the

777
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: familiar background sound of an army of typewriters as you

778
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: dream of the day when you'll have your own office.

779
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: And that's when you hear it, the sound of an

780
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: incoming message on the telex machine connected to the secure

781
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: phone lines of the FBI. The telex machine is essentially

782
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: the precursor to a fax machine, begins printing out a

783
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: confidential message. Since you're the closest agent, you push back

784
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: from your desk. Your desk chair tweaks against the floor,

785
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: then your heels count out the rhythm of your walk

786
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: at the telex machine. You have to wait for it

787
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: to finish printing. Then you tear off this most recent message.

788
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: Since you have clearance for this particular telex machine, you

789
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: read who it's from as well as the body of

790
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: the message in order to ascertain who you should take

791
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: it to. Your eyes widen as you read the message.

792
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: Is this a joke. It can't be. It's a cable

793
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: from the US Embassy in Israel. The State Department boys

794
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: aren't known for their sense of humor. This must be real.

795
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: You hastily walk down the hallway to a corner office.

796
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: Your heels once again tap out the rhythm of your walk.

797
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: At the corner office switch belongs to this superintendent of

798
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: your section. You knock on the door with a firm,

799
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 3: yet insistent hand. The gruff voice of your boss says,

800
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: come in. You do as instructed. As the door swings open,

801
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: he looks up from the file he's perusing to meet

802
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: your eyes. You pause in the doorway again, he instructs

803
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: you come in. Come in. You approach his desk, but

804
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: do not take a seat. In an all business tone,

805
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: you tell your section chief, this cable just came in

806
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: over the telex machine from the US Embassy in Israel,

807
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: but it's not about Israel or the Arabs. Per se

808
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: that's good, he says, relieved. You tell him it is dire,

809
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: though you hand him the printed out message. Your boss

810
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: has a habit of humming to himself as he reads,

811
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: which he does now. It doesn't take him long to

812
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: read the message. As soon as he's done, his improvised

813
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: humming stops. He looks up to you and ask is

814
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: this real? You not in the affirmative and say I

815
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: believe so. He sighs, then asks loud, why would the

816
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: Israeli security forces send us this? You replied, Well, as

817
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: far as security services go, shin Beth isn't known to

818
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: play practical jokes. Star, nor do our embassy boys in

819
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: israel I think it's the real deal. Your Section Chief's

820
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: eyes returned to the printed out telex message. He begins

821
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: to read it aloud. Contacted by friends from shin Beth,

822
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: the US Embassy was handed credible evidence. So there's a

823
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: plot to blow up a railroad bridge in the Republic

824
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: of Zambia in Africa. The data planned demolition is November

825
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: eighteenth of this year. Please inform Director Hoover there are

826
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: multiple Americans suspected to be involved in the plot. At present,

827
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: the American conspirators are believed to be stateside. As soon

828
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 3: as he's done reading the message aloud, he sighs again

829
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: and then asks, why would the Israelis know about this?

830
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: You're a quick to answer, I don't know, sir, but

831
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: they're good. Your section chief looks up and asks, a

832
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: bridge in Zambia. What in God's name is there in Zambia?

833
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: Now you've read a lot, you keep up on current events,

834
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: and thus you're somewhat familiar with the newly independent nation

835
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: of Zambia and are aware of its main export. So

836
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: you rather confidently suggest, sir, it may have something to

837
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: do with copper production. Copper. Your boss replies, as if

838
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: this is the first time he's ever heard of the medal. Yes, sir,

839
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: you answer, it's their chief export as well. Zambia is landlocked,

840
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: so they use train cars to shift the copper. Recently,

841
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: copper prices have plummeted on the commodities market. How do

842
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: you know all of this? Your section chief asks, do

843
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: you follow the copper market, Agent Dunton, It's been in

844
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: the NEU, Sir. Your tone is respectful of your boss's ignorance. Okay,

845
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: then I guess this might make sense. Take this over

846
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 3: to the Africa desk and see if they've heard anything

847
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: about blowing up a railroad bridge in Zambia. Yes, sir,

848
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: so there you go, Elizabeth. This is how the FBI

849
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: learns of this CIA style plot to destabilize an African nation,

850
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: but the FBI doesn't immediately act on it. They're not

851
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: even sure if the Israeli supplied info is accurate. The

852
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: Bureau determines that they need to do some digging of

853
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: their own. Luckily they have time at least a couple

854
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: of weeks. But turns out they don't need that much

855
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: time because the very next day, on November three, two

856
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 3: Miami skin divers Armstrong and Caudel fly north to New York.

857
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: They visit the Big Apple looking to meet up with

858
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: Rof Dunbia to get the visas to travel to Zambia.

859
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: The two men they meet Roff Dunbia in the lobby

860
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: of the building that houses the Zambian Mission to the

861
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: United Nations. Rolf shows up with his like to the

862
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: two round trip tickets to Zambia, and then also he's

863
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: got some more advanced money for the job, and the

864
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: two men are just suppot to hand that over to

865
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: Elliott and at the building that houses the Zambian Mission

866
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: to the United Nations, Dunba and the two Miami skin

867
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: divers they apply for the Zambian visas. The men show

868
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: their round trip tickets and in order to process the paperwork,

869
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: they leave their US passports. Then the two men say

870
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: goodbye to Rof Dunbia and they head back to the

871
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: airport to fly back home to Miami that same day

872
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: round trip. Boom boom boom. When they land, the two

873
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: Miami skin divers they call the Zambian embassy to check

874
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: on the status of their visas and to coordinate their travel.

875
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: The two men are informed, your visas have been denied.

876
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh you see, the Zambient officials were also briefed by

877
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: the Israelis about the plot to blow up a bridge

878
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: in Zambia. And I don't know if the Zambian officials

879
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: were like they kind of led it on to the

880
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: two Miami skin divers how much they knew. Maybe their

881
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: tone was just cold or whatnot. But either way, the

882
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: two Miami skin divers they recognized something ate, right, So

883
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 3: they decide, rather than wait for some g men to

884
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: come around asking questions, they'll go to the FBI themselves

885
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: and tell the bureau what all they know. So they go,

886
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: they tell them all about the plot to blow up

887
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: a bridge in Zambia to raise the international price of copper.

888
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: And when the two Miami skin divers show up at

889
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 3: the Miami Field office, the f guy is like, go.

890
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: On, They're like, show up in there like pukashell, necklaces

891
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: in a loin.

892
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: Cloth, totally just like leaving sand on their carpet everywhere.

893
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: So yes to the Miami agents when they report to

894
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: headquarters in DC what they've heard, which confirms what the

895
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: Israelis told the bureau just the day before. So now

896
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: the FBI springs into action. Okay, Elizabeth, let's pause this

897
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: at yes, and I'll take another little break for some ads,

898
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: and after these messages, we'll dive back into this tale

899
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: of international mystery and see if there's more of the

900
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: unexpected to come. So where were we diving right, Zambia.

901
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: So the FBI has stepped into the picture just days

902
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: before the planned operation to blow up a key bridge

903
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: and Zambia to artificially raise the price of copper around

904
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: the world. Now, since our two Miami skin divers, Armstrong

905
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: and Caudel not only tell the g men all about

906
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: the Zambian plot, they also tell the FBI where they

907
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: can find Elliott in Miami. So the FBI agents take

908
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: a drive over to where Elliott is staying at the time.

909
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: He's laying low to motel, and the FBI shows up

910
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: at the motel. Knock, knock, knock. When the door opens, boom,

911
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: Just like that, Elliott's worst fears have come to fruition. Hi,

912
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: we're at the FBI. Sure so now, Elizabeth. This all

913
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: happens on November third, just one day after the Israeli

914
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: has informed the FBI about this plot.

915
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

916
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Elliott doesn't know about any of that part of it,

917
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: so he tries to play it cool, act innocent at naive. Elizabeth,

918
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: what do we always say about what to do when

919
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: the FBI is asking you questions?

920
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: Never ever ever lie.

921
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 3: Yes, Never lie to the FBI, never because most likely

922
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: they already know the answer. Yes, just stacking felonies at

923
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: that point exactly. So anyway, Ellie decides to press his luck, Elizabeth.

924
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: He lies to the FBI. He says he doesn't know

925
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: anything about any plot to blow up a bridge and

926
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: where Africa? You say, he instants he's never heard of

927
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: a bridge in Zambia. He doesn't even know about copper production,

928
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: none of it. Then the FBI agents, they ask him

929
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: about his recent travels to Israel, to England to Ambia.

930
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: Oh you heard about that? Huh okay, I've been there. Yeah, sure, right,

931
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: He says his recent travels are just part of the

932
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: work he's been doing for a New York affiliate of

933
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: a German metals firm. They're like, and you don't know

934
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: about copper, sir. He's like, I know, little man, I

935
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: mean it is a medal. So the FPI is like, okay,

936
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: well it was a different division. I don't I know

937
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: about accounting and bookkeeping. And so the FBI is like, well, sir,

938
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: what brings you to the Miami area more not metals work.

939
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, the FBI knows he's in regular contact with

940
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: the two Miami skin divers Armstrong in Caddell, and the

941
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: FBI knows he's in regular contact with another suspect, Ralph Dunba,

942
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: the VP for the German metals firm. Right, Elliott though

943
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: doesn't know it, but his goose is well and fully cooked. Apparently,

944
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: FBI agents go over to interview Armstrong and Caddell on

945
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: November fourth, the next day, and this is like one

946
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: day after the men first contacted the bureau and after

947
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: the field agents have approached Elliott his at his motel room.

948
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, give up this with a full story.

949
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

950
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 3: So November fourth, in their interview, the two Miami skin

951
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: divers informed the FBI that they want out of this

952
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: international intrigue, like this is not for us. They were

953
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: weighing way over our heads. We wanted to stop full stop.

954
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: And they confess that after their Zambian visas were denied,

955
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: they just assumed that all their activities had been known

956
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: and that they quickly decided we're going to fully cooperate.

957
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

958
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it as like smart moves exactly. So The New

959
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 3: York Times reported that the two want to be saboteurs

960
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: then tell the FBI that quote, they returned the tickets

961
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: to Zambia and expense money given them by Dunba to

962
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: Elliott and advised Sham that the bargain was off, that

963
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: they intended to cooperate with the FBI.

964
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: Oh so they really washed their hands, like money minus

965
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: ten dollars that we spent on the hot dis and.

966
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: Gas money, and they tell their co conspirator, we're going

967
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: to the FBI, and he still tries to.

968
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: Play like, I don't know what you're talking about.

969
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, other FBI agents are busy speaking with Ralph

970
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: Dunbier up in New York and back to the New

971
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: York Times reporting, he gave a similar explanation of Elliot's

972
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: connection with the firm and stated Elliott was in Florida

973
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: on business. He denied any knowledge of the alleged plan

974
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: to sabotage the railroad bridge in Zambia. Zombia. What is Zambia?

975
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: So when he's pressed on his lies, Dunba decides to

976
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: go full on fabulous. He explains the FBI Field office

977
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: that his and Elliot's travels to that country in August

978
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: in September of sixty six is being related to establishing

979
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: representation for the corporation with industry and government officials. Dunba

980
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: explained that the chief business of the firm was trading

981
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: in copper, and Zambia was one of the world's foremost

982
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: producers of copper. They're like, so you do know what

983
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 3: copper is all about?

984
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: This?

985
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: No, it's not hard to imagine how this scene's playing out.

986
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: He's like trying to be all innocent, but it's like, yeah,

987
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm often traveling to Africa since the region is resource rich.

988
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you Americans us know about how that goes.

989
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: Fully aware that the FBI is now onto him and

990
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: his two amateur saboteurs have returned the money and now

991
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: want nothing to do with the planned demolition job, Elliott

992
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: doesn't stick around the Miami area. Instead, he flies up

993
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: to New York to meet with Rol Dunbie, Like, what

994
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: are we gonna do? How are we gonna get this

995
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: job done? He's still fixated on his wife has gone,

996
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: his co conspirators are arrested, doesn't matter how many people

997
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: get arrested around him. He is about it right. But

998
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: he's also meanwhile being followed by undercover FBI agents who

999
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: tail him to his meeting at Donbia's house. Of course,

1000
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: so this closes the circle for the FBI. They decide

1001
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: it's time to act before these two desperate idiots are

1002
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: able to draft any new amateur saboteurs into their Zambian plot.

1003
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: Yea.

1004
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: The very next day, November fifth, Elliott Dumba, they get

1005
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: arrested by the FBI agents. The two men are charged

1006
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: with conspiring within the US to destroy a railroad bridge

1007
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: in Zambia. After their charge, both men are freed on

1008
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: bail as it goes. So now we have a full

1009
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: on international plot of intrigue involving a German medals firm,

1010
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: Israeli security forces, the Zambian copper industry, a pair of

1011
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: Miami skin divers turned amateur saboteurs, and of course Elliott

1012
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: and Dumba. This story hits the headlines like a hammer

1013
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: dropped on your foot. Right number six, The New York

1014
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: Times publishes a front page story with the headline FBI

1015
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: sees is two and charges plot on Zambia copper two

1016
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: held in plot on Zambia copper all caps right. Two

1017
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: days later, they run another story with the headline new

1018
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: arrests tied to copper plot. US attorney says Israel has

1019
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: seized four persons That would be Elliot's wife and her

1020
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: band of.

1021
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: Sabote yeahs her guys, who know guys?

1022
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 3: So at this point the Israeli security forces are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hey,

1023
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: leave us out, man, Why are you dragging us into

1024
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: the spotlight? So back to the Jacob Raider Marcus Center

1025
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: of the American Jewish Archives, Box fifty four fold or

1026
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 3: three according to the Archives. Israeli officials have intended to

1027
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: keep the story secret, but after the United States authorities

1028
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: revealed contacts between Israelis and Americans in the plot, the

1029
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: Israeli police revealed Israel's detective work against the alleged plotters.

1030
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: So they're like, look, man, we're going to have to

1031
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: embarrass y'all if you're going to embarrass us, yeah, yeah, So,

1032
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 3: as the story continues to unfold and claim victims, Elliott

1033
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: then asked for the charges against him to be dismissed.

1034
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: Way do you hear what his grounds are for? Why

1035
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: to dismiss the charges? Elizabeth, his lawyer argues that according

1036
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: to the Neutrality Act, what he did isn't technically a crime.

1037
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: To make his case, the lawyer tries to essentially embarrass

1038
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 3: the FEDS by citing the fact that the commandos from

1039
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: the Bay of Pigs fiasco stopped were never charged and

1040
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: this also is the same for a nineteen sixties Ara

1041
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: plot to invade Haiti, and thus his clients should also

1042
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: walk for you don't charge them, can't charge.

1043
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: Him, right, amazing.

1044
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: So the lawyer argues in court that his client's charges

1045
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: should be dismissed since quote, no similar action had been

1046
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: taken by this country against participants in the Bay of

1047
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: Pigs attack on Cuba and the recent Haitian invasion plot.

1048
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: He added that his indictment was the first time in

1049
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: the fifty year history of the Neutrality Act that anyone

1050
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: had been charged with violating the pertinent section. He contended

1051
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: that the law was void because of its disuse. The

1052
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: judge in this case was like, yeah, no, that's not

1053
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: how that works. So in March's sixty seven he then

1054
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: appeals that into March sixty seven. In the case United

1055
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 3: States versus Elliot, the Southern District of New York rules

1056
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: that quote, defendant has requested this court to take judicial

1057
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: notice of various crises and acts in furtherance of international relations.

1058
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: The Court cannot help being aware of the delicacy of

1059
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: American foreign relations, particularly in such areas as Africa. The

1060
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: offense charged, if consummated, clearly would have disrupted the economy

1061
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: of a nation. It is inconceivable that such an act

1062
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: conceived in America and perpetrated by Americans would not have

1063
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: seriously affected American relations with Zambia. The prevention of the

1064
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: deed and the prosecution of the culprits, if only to

1065
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: show the complete lack of any official complicity, makes such

1066
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: proceedings imperative, and it is well within the legitimate interests

1067
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: of the United States government. Oh yeah, so read that

1068
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: as we need to show Zambia we ain't down with this.

1069
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with it is.

1070
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: These amateur saboteurs, ain't CIA people. Because we're looking bad

1071
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: these days after the pigs, Like, we can't have everyone thinking,

1072
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: like anytime somebody's who's an American who claims to be

1073
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: a freelance photographer, that the CIA is involved. So they're like,

1074
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: we have to throw the book at your guy. Sorry,

1075
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: we were so bad at this stuff. We need to

1076
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: punish this guy who's worse than us. So the next month,

1077
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: in April, his wife, Violet Elliott gets sentenced in Israel

1078
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: to quote a year in prison on a charge of

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Speaker 3: failing to inform police of an alleged plot to blow

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Speaker 3: up a railway bridge in Zambia. That same month, April

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00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: sixty seven, Ralph Dunbia pleads guilty as charge. He's like,

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00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: look I'm done, sure, gentleman, I'm going to be reasonable

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Speaker 3: about this. But the next year, in May of sixty eight,

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Speaker 3: before he's sentenced, Dunba dies in a car crash in

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Speaker 3: New York. The thirty seven year old Dunbia was driving

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00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 3: at five point thirty in the morning when he allegedly

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00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: lost control of his car on the Palisade Interstate Parkway

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00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: and crashed into an abutment a single car accident. Now,

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00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: while his death may be suspicious, it was ruled a

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00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: single car accident, and thus our one percent guarantee doesn't

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00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: come into play.

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00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: True, that is true.

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00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: It was determined that Dunbia fell asleep at the wheel. Now,

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00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: our researcher, Marissa noted that in a local newspaper there's

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Speaker 3: this image of the wrecked car and there's neighborhood kids

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00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: are like playing around the wreck car, and the caption

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00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: of the photo states that the wrecked road runner is

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00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: that Bill's sitko in non New yet New York. Bill

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00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: always puts major Rex out in front of the shop.

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Speaker 2: Wait so you can just go take a look.

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00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: See Yeah, it's Marissa noted, Bill, can you please explain?

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00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, the kids are playing totally like,

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00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: what's up with Bill displaying grizzly car wrecks out in

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00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: front of his shop?

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00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Bill is honest about human nature?

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00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 3: Was he trying to get free advertising in the local paper?

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00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: Or is he like a vehicle safety nut and he

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00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: just wanted to remind people to drive more safely. I

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: don't know your guys as good as mine, but Bill

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00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: was about about it. Anyway. Back to Elliott, who's yet

1111
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: to be tried in sentenced after his appeal to have

1112
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: his charges dropped is thrown out. Eventually justice does get served.

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00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: On June seventeen, nineteen sixty eight, Elliott pleads guilty. He

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00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: offers to testify against the German medals firm if that

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00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: will help him out. And it's like they conceived of

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00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: and paid for the Zambian plot. Sure, So this fella

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00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: named Paul Lazarus who works with Friedrich Zohner. He was

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00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: also like tangentially involved in the planning and the machinations

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00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: of the early phases. He works at the German metals firm.

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Speaker 3: So he gets indicted and tried, and since Rolf Dunbia

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00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: is dead, they're like, we let's move on to Paul Lazarus.

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00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so po Lazarus.

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: In November sixty eight, Lazarus stands trial. One week later,

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: he's found guilty and he's sentenced to nothing. Oh instead,

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00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: he's fined thirty five hundred dollars. Okay, the German Medals.

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: You know how much dynamite you can find?

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00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: My boatloads exactly, So the German Medals firm, they received

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00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: the sort of justice that we might expect from a

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00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: modern corporation. The firm gets acquitted of any responsibility in

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: the Zambian plot, because how could they know what's our

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00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: employees are doing.

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00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: That's right.

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00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, as thanks for his cooperation with the Feds,

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00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: Elliott gets sentenced to one year in jail, but he's

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00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: also given us this spended sentence and he's placed on

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00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: probation for a term of three years. So he never

1137
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: really is other than being held while waiting for trial.

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00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: That's it, sure, And that Elizabeth is the end of

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: the Zampian plot. So I got to ask you, what's

1140
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 3: our ridiculous takeaway here?

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00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. You know, I like to think that

1142
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: when opportunities come my way, I'll take them, you know,

1143
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: just like hey like be open, take the blinders off. Sure,

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00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: but I think that we need to be selective when

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00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 2: those opportunities come our way. And so just because something

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00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: cool like hey, you want to go to Zambia, all.

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00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: Right, yes, something up in Zambia?

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: You don't. I got nothing hold me here yet, No,

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00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: no to think, think a little bit more about it, Saren,

1150
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: I would have been a mess in the sixties if

1152
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 3: I was around these guys like hanging out these people

1153
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: like E. Howard Hunt types.

1154
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: Or like sixties and seventies, you would have been I

1155
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: would be telling stories about you, yes, podcast, if I

1156
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: had one of.

1157
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: Those like heart attack guns that they held up in

1158
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: the church hearings, or like the ability to get on

1159
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: flights and go to like former colonial Africa as like

1160
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: a CIA plant, I mean, working against my people.

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: I would have just been a oh, we know you're

1162
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: not a CIA plant.

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00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Now, good point, a point persuading young minds and influencing

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Speaker 3: the nations. Well you in the mood for a talkback

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00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: to Washes.

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00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: I am always in a mood for.

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: Oh oh my god.

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00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: I went Regina Gentleman host Dizzy. The Pizza Connection episode

1169
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 4: reminded me that back in the nineteen eighties. My step

1170
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: mother's brother was the big family success with all of

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00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: his coin operated car washes, and in fact I almost

1172
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 4: went to work for him, managing several locations. Turned out

1173
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 4: the real success was as a drug traffickers throughout southern California,

1174
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 4: and those not for washing cars, but for washing money.

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00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: That's how I almost joined the cartel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cartel member, that's incredible.

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00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: You missed out, dudeud Always.

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Speaker 3: Be suspicious of a family member who runs car washes

1179
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: coin operated laundromats. These are just money laundering operations, no

1180
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 3: matter what anyone tells you. I know so, dude, that's

1181
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: a great story. Thank you for sharing with it. That

1182
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: is straight up ridiculous crime averted.

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, as always, you can find us online Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 3: We got the social media's was it blue Sky Instagram?

1186
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's what the interns told me last. We

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Speaker 3: also have our account Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. Do

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: you go check it out? We got videos, Please leave comments,

1189
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: we love those, like subscribe, do all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: We have our website, Ridiculous Crime dot com, which was

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Speaker 3: recently nominated for the Dolly Parton Impersonator of the Year Award. Really,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know we were.

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00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Up for, but you know it's stiff competition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now just for the makeup alone. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: we had that kind of budget. We were given to

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Speaker 3: the makeup.

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Speaker 2: You know Sparkleshop, mister Andre, they work hard.

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Speaker 3: They really really did, and we don't ask much of them,

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Speaker 3: so they have time on their hands. Also, you know,

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Speaker 3: app download it, leave a talkback. We'd love to hear

1202
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: your voice here. Maybe you would enjoy it as well,

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Speaker 3: and I'll email us if you like Ridiculous Crime at

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Speaker 3: gmail dot com. We'd love your emails too. They're often

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: very fun and we're meaning to get into the mailbag.

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Speaker 3: We may do like a mailbag episode. Who knows. So

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Speaker 3: there you go. That's all I got for you this time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening, and we will catch you next crime.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton that's her and

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Speaker 3: Zarah Burnette That's me. They're produced and edited by our

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Speaker 3: man in Zambia, Dave Kusten, and starring Analys Rucker as Judith.

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Speaker 3: Research is by vehicular safety enthusiast Marissa Brown and Davis.

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Speaker 3: Bless the Rains Down in Africa aka Thomas Lee and

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