Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to this week's episode of
Speaker 1: lestin World podcast. I can't believe that it is mid December.
Speaker 1: I was at lunch with friends today and then I realized,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, next month is two, which quite literally
Speaker 1: freaked me out. So I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have come to that realization yet, but there you go. Anyways, um,
Speaker 1: this week is such a incredible and full circle episode
Speaker 1: because one of my closest friends, Olivia so Naviia is
Speaker 1: my guest. Now you may know her from Amazon's Just
Speaker 1: Said Magic or Disney Channel's Cooping Cammy, but she is
Speaker 1: genuinely one of the most talented, hardworking and driven people
Speaker 1: I know. And I love this episode and I hope
Speaker 1: you do too. Yeah, Olivia, this is super exciting. Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody the Olivia Sonavia is this week's my podcast. Hi guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so honored to be here. Okay, can I tell
Speaker 1: you why this is so crazy? The first time we
Speaker 1: met was not to let people know I met Olivia
Speaker 1: and I was interviewing around a red carpet for Beauty
Speaker 1: can in l a team and we found this video
Speaker 1: a few months ago, and the first time we met
Speaker 1: we shook hands when so, why did we shake hands?
Speaker 1: It was awkward. It was awkward professionals. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: just weird because I've never we Olivia and I have
Speaker 1: become very close friends since we've developed a friendship, which
Speaker 1: was kind of out of nowhere. It was, it was
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, but I think it's so awesome and
Speaker 1: now here we are. We're here. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: be here. You guys, I'm such a fan of Let's
Speaker 1: be real, and I'm honored to be here today. Olivia
Speaker 1: has been one of the only people in my life,
Speaker 1: one of my friends besides like my family, that has
Speaker 1: truly supported me through this. I remember when I was
Speaker 1: working on the pitch deck for the podcast. I told
Speaker 1: her when I got the pilot. I remember we were
Speaker 1: walking around the growth and I was even one of
Speaker 1: the people because you get it, you get how much
Speaker 1: work goes into it, and I've just always really appreciated
Speaker 1: that and just our friendship. It's we are. We are friendship.
Speaker 1: I'd say we were friends, but I think the pandemic
Speaker 1: a little bit. It brought us together. Did we faced
Speaker 1: the FaceTime? Yeah, We've had a long distance friendship mainly
Speaker 1: over FaceTime. Yeah, I mean we've lived on separate sides
Speaker 1: of the country for as the majority of our friendship,
Speaker 1: and m it's just crazy that it's become such a
Speaker 1: close friendship because we've seen each other like not as
Speaker 1: many times to equal how close we are Max ten
Speaker 1: times if that? Oh yeah Max, Maybe I know. Isn't
Speaker 1: that sad? That's weird and only thinking about that, But
Speaker 1: we faced time more than I've ever FaceTime to anybody
Speaker 1: else in my life. Really, yes, we faced them at
Speaker 1: least if it goes two weeks, that's a lot. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's true. You brought me out of my my shell
Speaker 1: because like before our friendship, I didn't like FaceTime. I
Speaker 1: like to have like photos and yes, totally. I was
Speaker 1: always like, no, I don't like FaceTime. It's weird, it
Speaker 1: feels awkward. Until you really brought me out of my
Speaker 1: shell and I was like, you know what, I just
Speaker 1: got an amazing friendship over FaceTime. I love that. I remember,
Speaker 1: so I interviewed Beauty con l A. It was I
Speaker 1: don't know, we need to find that interview that'd be
Speaker 1: so funny to watch. But then I remember I was
Speaker 1: doing a piece for Radio Disney and you were around
Speaker 1: the Disney show Coop and Cammy UM, and I was
Speaker 1: doing like a behind the scenes and it was a
Speaker 1: few days later, and I remember you remembered me from
Speaker 1: the interview and we exchange numbers and then I complimented
Speaker 1: your camera and remember they did I remember that. And
Speaker 1: then I remember a few months later I found out
Speaker 1: you're in New York and I d M D randomly.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, like, I want to see a
Speaker 1: Broadway show. You saw Mean Girls, and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: You got dinner, I know, And that's how I think
Speaker 1: it all started. And we barely knew each other. I
Speaker 1: was out in New York and um, when Sammy reached out,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. I was really nervous
Speaker 1: to reach out because it was when I was in
Speaker 1: high school's right when I was going through all that
Speaker 1: ship that was terrible, and I was like, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me try and just put myself out there and meet
Speaker 1: some new people. And I remember Damn and he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, right, And I at the time
Speaker 1: like I needed some more friendships in my life. And
Speaker 1: so when you reached out, honestly, I was so excited.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you're on vacation somewhere you don't
Speaker 1: like or I guess it was maybe more of a
Speaker 1: work trip you don't expect to, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: hang out with people that you don't don't know there.
Speaker 1: But we had so much fun. We hit it off
Speaker 1: that night. I feel like weird. That was our first
Speaker 1: Like I remember you coming in the restaurant because we
Speaker 1: got dinner before, and it was just like we've known
Speaker 1: each other for a really long time, and I remember
Speaker 1: us both being like, wait, this is a little odd,
Speaker 1: how comfortable this is. It was a little weird because,
Speaker 1: like you said, we had only met each other in
Speaker 1: a work setting two times before and they were very short. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy. It's so weird. We kind of friendship
Speaker 1: development story ever, and then we have what three years now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, so that's crazy. I remember when I saw you, um, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was on set. It was so
Speaker 1: interesting to see your work ethic and see how set's going.
Speaker 1: What people don't realize like Disney especially, it's very glamorized,
Speaker 1: but it's a set is a lot of hurry up
Speaker 1: and wait, which is yes, people don't talk about right,
Speaker 1: And I think when you're it's more waiting when you're
Speaker 1: an adult, but when you're a kid, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of um school work. You know, I was still um
Speaker 1: in school. I mean I'm eighteen now, but I was
Speaker 1: still in school when when I was filming Coop and CAMMI.
Speaker 1: So you're not working, you're doing school in the classroom.
Speaker 1: So I know it's crazy, but um, I think that's
Speaker 1: like the question people always have is like, how do
Speaker 1: you balance school and work life? You have to, like
Speaker 1: you have completely, So what would you say a average
Speaker 1: day on set was like for you? Well, we kind
Speaker 1: of had a weekly schedule because it was a multi
Speaker 1: cam show, so that is kind of like a set
Speaker 1: schedule every week. So Monday we had a table read
Speaker 1: in school, and then Tuesday we rehearsed all day and
Speaker 1: did school, and then Wednesday we rehearsed again, and we
Speaker 1: had what's called the network run through, where we would
Speaker 1: do the whole show as like a play for the network,
Speaker 1: and they would come and do notes and make revisions,
Speaker 1: and then Thursday and Friday we would film and we
Speaker 1: didn't get much school work done on Thursday and Friday,
Speaker 1: we banked it all on the three days beforehand, so
Speaker 1: that's crazy to think of your schedule. What was that like?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, because I know we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: I've always felt older than my actual age and I
Speaker 1: know you have to, but what have you ever felt
Speaker 1: any resentment from not being able to have that whatever
Speaker 1: the normal experience is or is it you just you
Speaker 1: just kind of like me where it's like I've always
Speaker 1: kind of not really jived with that. Oh my gosh, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we get along so well, is
Speaker 1: because we have that in common. I've always felt a
Speaker 1: lot older than I am. I've a aways felt like
Speaker 1: an adult trapped inside a kid's body. Um. I think
Speaker 1: I never had any resentment towards not having like a
Speaker 1: typical childhood or going to regular school. I, to be honest,
Speaker 1: never really desired it. Yeah, I didn't love it. I
Speaker 1: went to public school and I didn't love it. That's
Speaker 1: being so honest, And UM, I think certain things. I
Speaker 1: just I was never sad about not having a problem
Speaker 1: or not having a regular graduation or those things. I
Speaker 1: in my own head, I was. I realized that I
Speaker 1: was having just different experiences. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: was losing out on anything. I was just having a
Speaker 1: different experience. You're having so many life experience to right,
Speaker 1: and it is an adult world, an adult business. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I've kind of felt like an old
Speaker 1: soul on my life because it kind of prepared me
Speaker 1: for being in an adult business. But no, I honestly
Speaker 1: I'm so happy with like not having that true additional childhood.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I missed out. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because in our friendship, we don't really
Speaker 1: talk about work really. We just talk about whatever. We
Speaker 1: talk about everything. Um, but how long have you been
Speaker 1: working for I became an actress when I was seven
Speaker 1: years old, so I've been in this business for eleven years. Okay,
Speaker 1: so from seven to eleven, what were you working on?
Speaker 1: Wizardes Show appearances, commercials, auditions, that kind of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just kind of when I was seven, which is
Speaker 1: like such a little little age. Um, I just hit
Speaker 1: the ground running with like commercials, and I trained. I
Speaker 1: was really adamant about training. I still am. I think
Speaker 1: like the best thing anybody can do as an actor
Speaker 1: is trained, like know your stuff, no your craft, fall
Speaker 1: in love with your craft. You know, you gotta love it,
Speaker 1: you don't want to just and we're in such an
Speaker 1: time where so many people are going into acting without
Speaker 1: the love of it, but just as a money grab
Speaker 1: in a way that it's very refreshing to see you.
Speaker 1: You hustle, you really do because you love your craft.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love my craft. I love acting, and
Speaker 1: I think I fell in love with it through studying
Speaker 1: and working with different acting coaches and and being in
Speaker 1: class consistently. That's how I fell in love with it.
Speaker 1: And that's what gave me the ability to be resilient
Speaker 1: through the rejection of this business. Um, because I love
Speaker 1: it so much. I love it. It's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: my passion. I couldn't do life without it, So I
Speaker 1: think you really have to love it. And um, I
Speaker 1: was grateful for that time of doing commercials and auditioning
Speaker 1: a ton when I was like, like you said, seven
Speaker 1: to eleven, and making coast our guests, our appearances and
Speaker 1: training and that that's what I was doing. And then
Speaker 1: when just that magic happened, life was completely different. Just
Speaker 1: how magic happened. I started filming it when I was eleven, okay,
Speaker 1: eleven fift I think, Yeah, what about acting? Do you love?
Speaker 1: I always think about this, and I think it's living
Speaker 1: through other people. Like, as humans, we get one life
Speaker 1: and we only get to live through our eyes. And
Speaker 1: I think in acting, I get to live through the
Speaker 1: len of so many different people and have I feel
Speaker 1: like I have different life experiences through the characters I've
Speaker 1: lived through. Honestly, Wow, that's awesome. Thanks. And to affect people.
Speaker 1: I used to go into the movie theater and just
Speaker 1: be so deeply affected by movies. I mean I still am,
Speaker 1: but even as a kid. Like the reason I became
Speaker 1: an actress is because I went to the movie theater
Speaker 1: and I saw a movie called Ramona, and I talked
Speaker 1: about remember when she ran away? Oh my gosh, of
Speaker 1: course I did. I cried traumatizing that song, the Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift song that adn't Nolla. When she's walking up the
Speaker 1: hill by herself. It's hard, I know, and she brings
Speaker 1: her mom puts the bowling ball in her backpack because
Speaker 1: she doesn't want her to leave, and she knows it's
Speaker 1: going to get too heavy for her to carry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know this movie back my head. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think I was so deeply affected by everything I watched
Speaker 1: and I was just I just wanted to make people
Speaker 1: feel And that's those are the two things about acting
Speaker 1: that I love so much. And then you later when
Speaker 1: you in your acting career, you fall in love with
Speaker 1: a set environment and working with the crew, But first
Speaker 1: you have to love acting because it's the bones of
Speaker 1: the career, you know. Yeah, would you say we are
Speaker 1: in such a divisive world right now where it feels
Speaker 1: like there's more hate than love. Do you think by
Speaker 1: being an actor and getting to go into different characters
Speaker 1: has made you more of an empathetic person? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think it teaches you um to be a lot
Speaker 1: less judgmental, you know what I mean. I think when
Speaker 1: you do so much research about a character like I've
Speaker 1: I've done, you know a lot of research, whether it's
Speaker 1: for auditions or for roles on you know, different subjects,
Speaker 1: um like different diseases and things like that that the
Speaker 1: character might have. And I think it just teaches you
Speaker 1: that everybody has a different story to tell and that
Speaker 1: everybody struggles. And yeah, absolutely, it makes me more empathetic.
Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to be if you're
Speaker 1: going to be an actor. But that's also great tool
Speaker 1: that you have just in life now, to be able
Speaker 1: to see something on the surface and then kind of
Speaker 1: real evaluate like, is this all there is to it?
Speaker 1: Or is it a deeper issue? Oh yeah, totally. Because
Speaker 1: we only see people we know, We only see the
Speaker 1: life that they choose to show us. So I think
Speaker 1: when you get to dive deep into a character, you
Speaker 1: get to see all the stuff that you only know
Speaker 1: of yourself. You know, all the private moments and all
Speaker 1: the things they say to themselves, And when you dive
Speaker 1: into a character, you have to see all of that.
Speaker 1: What how they interact with other people, how they interact
Speaker 1: with when they're by themselves, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would you say? I think we've talked about on
Speaker 1: the podcast a lot, the highlight reel of social media, Yes, um,
Speaker 1: and I know you know how it's affected me a
Speaker 1: lot and how I've had to just delete the app
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, quite so many times. What would you say
Speaker 1: The biggest misconception about you is, oh, my gosh, Sammy
Speaker 1: with the hard hitting flue. Okay, I think, on a
Speaker 1: lighter note, I think I'm a lot goofier then people see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm funnier than people see. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I really didn't. I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I absolutely like, Oh I'm funny,
Speaker 1: but no, I just mean that. I think I'm a
Speaker 1: little more relaxed. I'm super chill, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm very reserved. I'm not. I feel like I know
Speaker 1: a misconception about you that people go for it, and
Speaker 1: I want to know. So. I did not realize how
Speaker 1: big of a Twilight fan Olivia was. Um, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the Twilight yet. I know we need to make
Speaker 1: that happen. We've been talking about it. I am honored
Speaker 1: that you've just given me a platform to discuss my
Speaker 1: Twilight addiction. I you're right, I do what people know
Speaker 1: about this. Um, I mean like I do post like
Speaker 1: on the anniversary of Winter. I can't say I do post. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the anniversary of when Twilight came out. Um,
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to know, I'm obviously team Edward. I've
Speaker 1: posted a couple of TikTok's. I do have Bella's engagement ring.
Speaker 1: Um that's like me, I that was. I think your
Speaker 1: obsession of Twilight is like similar to my obsession with
Speaker 1: high school musical like I see the Team Troy necklace.
Speaker 1: Of course. Oh I always wanted that, right, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: if Zach put it on me, yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was what I really wanted. But I mean, when't the necklace?
Speaker 1: Was there some because I haven't seen the movies, was
Speaker 1: there some equivalent that Edward did that you would want
Speaker 1: Patterson to do? Um? I, oh gosh, I mean there's
Speaker 1: so much I I know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like vampires. Well, no, I see, this is when I
Speaker 1: wish that you've seen the movies with me, Sammy, because
Speaker 1: the whole premis is that he's reluctant to bite her.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to change her into a vampire. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think I love all the quotes from I
Speaker 1: love all the quotes from the movies. Um like and
Speaker 1: so the line fell in love with the lamb, like yeah,
Speaker 1: all all, there's how much good stuff? And then there's
Speaker 1: like this thing about Spider Monkey and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good things. Are all foreign things. We really need
Speaker 1: to make it happen, like wee like a movie marathon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you now what My favorite. I bet people
Speaker 1: are going to agree my favorite is Breaking Dawn Part one. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's the fourth movie you're in for the first
Speaker 1: one we're going to watch or we must go chronologically. Okay,
Speaker 1: how many movies are there? There's five? Five? Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of like something I can share with
Speaker 1: you from the movies that I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I want to be a surprise if they did, like
Speaker 1: a Twilight reboot. Oh, would you be into that? Or
Speaker 1: you're kind of sick of reboots? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm a little sick of reboots. But if they asked
Speaker 1: you to be like Olivia, what do you want to
Speaker 1: be in a Twilight? I mean, I get where you're
Speaker 1: coming from with the reboot thing, but no, I am.
Speaker 1: I would be in to do a Twilight all the way.
Speaker 1: Would you say that's your dream character? Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: my funny dream one. Okay, what about like actual dream
Speaker 1: real dream ones? I guess. I mean I would love
Speaker 1: to play Juliette in some adaptation of Romeo and Juliette.
Speaker 1: You're obsessed with Shakespeare too, I forgot about that. I am.
Speaker 1: The obsession is real. Yeah, you have a song called
Speaker 1: stars Cross I do very much so inspired by Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliette. Yeah, I've seen basically every movie adaptation there is, really, Yes,
Speaker 1: you want to know. My favorite is of course, have
Speaker 1: you seen the Basil Arman one with Leonardo DiCaprio and
Speaker 1: Clare Dain's I might have? I might have in school? Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: people make you watch in school. But I saw that
Speaker 1: movie for school. Actually I was supposed to watch one
Speaker 1: of the versions, and I fell in love with it.
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, he is my favorite actor. I think he's
Speaker 1: a genius. Yeah, I think he's a genius. I love him.
Speaker 1: Of course, Young Leo has my heart. I mean Young
Speaker 1: Leo's Young Leo, but like as an actor, he to
Speaker 1: me is a genius. Are you more of a visual person? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, because when I like study for
Speaker 1: tests before I take the test, and I'm studying and
Speaker 1: I look in a book, like in the textbook, I'll
Speaker 1: remember like the location of the paragraph of the word,
Speaker 1: but I won't remember every detail. I'll just remember that
Speaker 1: whatever information I'm looking for was near that location that
Speaker 1: sometimes like close you in. Do you have a photographic
Speaker 1: photographic memory? I think maybe, like a little little Your
Speaker 1: testo last night went well. It went well, guys. Olivia
Speaker 1: is a sophomore in college, which I was not. She's
Speaker 1: just cranking through the classes. Thank you. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: my um last psychology tests, so that was really a
Speaker 1: great feeling. I'm done with that. Okay, let's transition from
Speaker 1: psychology to mental health. But first we have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break, and when we come back, we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about that. I want to hear more of out
Speaker 1: your music, and I know you have some crazy right
Speaker 1: carpet stories, so let's get into those and so much more.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. Mental health can
Speaker 1: be especially tough for so many this time of year.
Speaker 1: How is your mental health? It's pretty good. Good, it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. This time of year is really good for me.
Speaker 1: You love this time of year, so I do. I do, honestly,
Speaker 1: Like there's just something inside me that like gets an
Speaker 1: immense amount of joy from it just being the holiday
Speaker 1: to remember in August. You're like, I'm so exciting. Slow down.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know. Basically, I just try and
Speaker 1: get through Thanksgiving and Halloween. I'm just kidding. I love
Speaker 1: those two, but the goal of the year is to
Speaker 1: get to Christmas. Okay, what about after Christmas? After Christmas.
Speaker 1: I love a new year. I love a fresh start,
Speaker 1: and your Valentine's Day always makes me a little depressed
Speaker 1: because every year I'm like, oh, maybe next year, and
Speaker 1: then it just comes around. We're young, we're young. We
Speaker 1: can be each other's exactly exactly we need to do
Speaker 1: our holiday. Um, I know, every stop it Okay, min
Speaker 1: hasn't come yet. It's ordered though, so I will ship
Speaker 1: into your house. But every like, for the past two years,
Speaker 1: Olivia and I have been doing this gift swap where
Speaker 1: we send each other like holiday presents, and it's so
Speaker 1: much fun. I love getting creative with it. I know
Speaker 1: last year because I mean we obviously weren't together, so
Speaker 1: we send each other these like boxes. You decorated it.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. I had so much fun putting
Speaker 1: it together. I know. I have written notes when every
Speaker 1: I haven't told you Va Silvia over face time for
Speaker 1: like the past eight months. Anytime you say something, I
Speaker 1: write it down on my notes section. I do this
Speaker 1: for like people close in my life, so I like
Speaker 1: remember these things so that for the gift I can
Speaker 1: kind of put it together these like well things you've
Speaker 1: said in the path. That's genius. Yes, I think I
Speaker 1: remember you did that because Sammy is an excellent gift giver.
Speaker 1: That's like a little fun fact people don't really know. Excellent,
Speaker 1: like so good. Last year you were telling me everything
Speaker 1: you were getting for your family, and I was amazed.
Speaker 1: Didn't I tell you to get your sibling um to
Speaker 1: adopt the yes or to get the star yes or no?
Speaker 1: You told me to get them um to adopt like
Speaker 1: an animal online to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That
Speaker 1: was like that was a good idea on my part.
Speaker 1: It was a great idea and I totally ended up
Speaker 1: using it. I mean, guys, Sammy for your gift giving needs.
Speaker 1: You know what I say, Olivia should make a cookbook
Speaker 1: and I do a gift guy gift book and then
Speaker 1: we can bundle it. That sounds great. Yeah, okay, a
Speaker 1: cookbook slash gift giving guide, like all in one book.
Speaker 1: Is this like a perfect idea? I think it is.
Speaker 1: You can self published on Amazon. Let's do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm something that has It's so weird to me that
Speaker 1: it's almost two. It's like we're coming to the end
Speaker 1: of season three. I know, guys, I'm such a fan.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been an amazing season. Oh, honestly, this has
Speaker 1: been my favorite season. I loved him all, but this
Speaker 1: has been my favorite. Really. Yes, Olivia has been one
Speaker 1: of the o G listeners o G, but like I
Speaker 1: have been sometimes it can be very overwhelming to do
Speaker 1: the podcast while being in school, and um, Olivia has
Speaker 1: just always like whenever I get stressed, she's just like
Speaker 1: she says, no, like you're doing it, like you're doing
Speaker 1: a great job. And your support has just always literally
Speaker 1: meant so much. Same. Thank you, Sammy. I mean, Sammy
Speaker 1: is maybe the most supportive person that I've ever met,
Speaker 1: Like she's always cheering me on and the definitely I
Speaker 1: always say that Sammy is the definition of a true friend.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I love our friendship. Came one of
Speaker 1: the most random place too, it did. Is this your
Speaker 1: first podcast? Um, I think it might be podcastsh my
Speaker 1: der debut. What's the question you've never been asked before
Speaker 1: that you're like, Oh, I wish someone would ask me this. Um,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I don't know, because I was I
Speaker 1: was doing By the way, it's very weird to do
Speaker 1: research on your friend. I like, I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, I was trying to be prepared but then
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I don't really know
Speaker 1: if I can how much I can do this, because
Speaker 1: it's weird because I know you personally, and it's very
Speaker 1: interesting to see the way like the media, like I
Speaker 1: see you've done these interviews, it's very much these surface
Speaker 1: level like how's it going, and you know, talk about this,
Speaker 1: and very much surface level stuff. Do you ever wish
Speaker 1: you when during those conversations people would I don't want
Speaker 1: to say, treat you more human, but ask more questions
Speaker 1: that weren't just about promoting a project. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I totally understand to where people are coming. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's a business right, of course, but as a human Yes,
Speaker 1: I think when I listened to your podcast, it does
Speaker 1: feel so human and so authentic that it makes me,
Speaker 1: um more aware of the way I answer questions, more
Speaker 1: aware of less media trained. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: there is a time and of place for that, of course,
Speaker 1: but um, I think your approach to your podcast is
Speaker 1: so real and um, true to yourself and honest and
Speaker 1: um honestly, it's given me a new perspective on the
Speaker 1: way you interview people, the way people respond to you
Speaker 1: when you interview them, Like I feel like you have
Speaker 1: this way of opening people up just naturally. It's true,
Speaker 1: like it's also conversational. And that's why I always tell
Speaker 1: Samy is she has such a gift for it, and
Speaker 1: it's just you feel relaxed when you're with her, because
Speaker 1: interviews are scary sometimes when I'm on the few times
Speaker 1: I've been on the other side, I feel weird, just
Speaker 1: like you don't have control over what people are saying. Totally.
Speaker 1: I've been asked some weird questions before. That's the weirdest
Speaker 1: question you've been asked. I think I may have told
Speaker 1: you this once before. I was on a red carpet
Speaker 1: and like it made sense kind of. But I was asked,
Speaker 1: if you were to have a Dina dinosaur rock star,
Speaker 1: what would be its name? M hmm, it was. It
Speaker 1: was at a premiere. Was it like a dinosaur move?
Speaker 1: It was? It was. But and I honestly I came
Speaker 1: up with the worst spot was I think everybody my
Speaker 1: brain just I could I couldn't think at all. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, what would be a dinosaur rock star name?
Speaker 1: And I think I said like t Rex Sauna or
Speaker 1: something like to do a play on Riona. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I was also like or Nirvana. It could
Speaker 1: have been Nirvana. Yeah right, I could have gone either way, right,
Speaker 1: So true? Interesting? Yeah, isn't that a weird question? What
Speaker 1: is it like being on a carpet? Because I used
Speaker 1: to cover them for Radio Disney and they were so
Speaker 1: overwhelming just being there. And I can't imagine on the
Speaker 1: other side, because it looks very glamorous when you see
Speaker 1: the Instagram photos, but it's kind of chaos, and I
Speaker 1: don't think people A lot of people realize that, Oh
Speaker 1: it's so chaotic. I think, is it not stressful? It
Speaker 1: is stressful sometimes. I think if you're feeling great and
Speaker 1: you feel your best, and you feel it, you look
Speaker 1: your best, it's fun. I think if you can get
Speaker 1: out there and just like have a good time with it,
Speaker 1: then it's fun. But other times it gets super chaotic
Speaker 1: and people yelling your name why and weird interview questions
Speaker 1: like that one that makes you think I have to
Speaker 1: think really hard. But for the most for the most part,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. I think if you do too
Speaker 1: many in a row, it gets exhausting. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to take it for granted because it's so fun.
Speaker 1: There's one dress she wore one specific time that I
Speaker 1: always tell her it was, I think it's the dumb broke,
Speaker 1: the dumbbo premiere dress. Thank you. I remember when I
Speaker 1: saw that. I was that one I love you popped off.
Speaker 1: Thank you, No, I do. I did love that. For
Speaker 1: those who know, it was like a it was like
Speaker 1: a ballgown. It was. It was a bawn ballgown that
Speaker 1: like went to like a little below my knee, so
Speaker 1: it went out far, but it didn't go to like
Speaker 1: the floor. It was very poofy. It was very very poofy.
Speaker 1: But that was the coolest premiere ever. I saw Angelina Jolie,
Speaker 1: yes she was movie fan girled over. Oh her for
Speaker 1: sure because she she pulled over. Um, she pulled aside
Speaker 1: one of my cast mates from Cooping Cammy and told
Speaker 1: him that their family watches our show. Isn't that the
Speaker 1: craziest thing ever? I freaked out. I freaked out, and um,
Speaker 1: that was a fan girl moment. I met Tory Kelly
Speaker 1: on the red carpet and started crying, and I don't
Speaker 1: do that. And I think it's just overwhelmed because she's
Speaker 1: been such a light in my life and her music
Speaker 1: really speaks to me that feeling all too right. It
Speaker 1: just I was like, are these tears coming from It's
Speaker 1: it's like you can't help it. And you know, like
Speaker 1: when you're in the industry, like I don't get fan
Speaker 1: grilled over often because like everyone's human, you know, right,
Speaker 1: But like there's i'd say three people that I would
Speaker 1: actually possibly lose my ship over Lynn Well of course
Speaker 1: talked about multiple timesting and Oprah Oh great, Like I
Speaker 1: know they're so, I know they're human, but they're so
Speaker 1: those are like answers to who would you want to
Speaker 1: have lunch with? Um? Like dead or alive? That kind
Speaker 1: of that's good. Those are good names. It's just I
Speaker 1: think I don't think. I don't know if I fan
Speaker 1: girl over them, but more so over their brilliance of course,
Speaker 1: of course, and what they've done exactly. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: Something that I really want to talk about it is
Speaker 1: if you has the most beautiful voice, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: covers on TikTok and a'll texts will be like supportive friends,
Speaker 1: Sammy always cheering me on no, but every time my
Speaker 1: mind is just blown. Like I know you a beautiful voice,
Speaker 1: but it's just like you said you did eleanor Rigby,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my goodness, thank you. She
Speaker 1: popped off. Thank you so much. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on TikTok, because I do you want some really interesting Yes.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been on TikTok much and I know
Speaker 1: that you thank you. It's I know I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: proud of that, but I thinks something to be proud of.
Speaker 1: My time span has gotten time attention span has increased
Speaker 1: so much. Watching YouTube videos when I was on TikTok
Speaker 1: felt too long. Yes, and ever since I've been off,
Speaker 1: I can like, my attention span is so much longer.
Speaker 1: Ever since you've been off average, I've been off TikTok. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really bad. It's really bad for the attention span.
Speaker 1: I know, I find myself like not being able to
Speaker 1: sit through certain things. Now I'm like, oh, I need
Speaker 1: to retrain my mind. It's really rough. I saw this.
Speaker 1: Olivia knows I'm obsessed with the news, um, but I
Speaker 1: saw this thing where the CEO of Instagram was asked
Speaker 1: questions because you know, studies came out about how Instagram
Speaker 1: can be like negative effect at teen girls mental health
Speaker 1: and body image, and there definitely should be legislation. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the social dilemma, um, but
Speaker 1: it's very interesting, especially like on a large scale because
Speaker 1: you have a pretty substantial amount of followers. How have
Speaker 1: you navigated that with also staying present, insane and not
Speaker 1: compare yourself because it's so easy to like we said,
Speaker 1: people just post to highlight reeo. Oh my gosh. It's
Speaker 1: really tough. I definitely struggle through that of trying not
Speaker 1: to compare, and I think, um, gratitude is the best
Speaker 1: way to combat comparison. But I mean that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's hard. It's hard. Yeah, it's a daily
Speaker 1: thing that you constantly have to remind yourself. You have
Speaker 1: to consistently say, hey, you know what I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and um just be grateful for what I have and
Speaker 1: try not to compare. But like I said, like that
Speaker 1: doesn't always. Um. Sometimes, no, when it's hard, and you
Speaker 1: have to consistently try and do that. But I think
Speaker 1: also a great way to um not deal with those
Speaker 1: things or to kind of lessen the pain is to
Speaker 1: try and get off of it. I know it's hard
Speaker 1: to believe me, I'm on it all the time more
Speaker 1: than I should be. But um, I think that's one
Speaker 1: guaranteed way to kind of get rid of those pressures, UM,
Speaker 1: is to try and do other things. And I when
Speaker 1: I found other hobbies and dove further into my work,
Speaker 1: I feel better, you know what I mean, more assured
Speaker 1: within yourself for sure. Yeah. And I think gratitude also
Speaker 1: means reminding yourself of like positive affirmations about yourself, like hey,
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I do this, and I'm kind to
Speaker 1: people or whatever, you know, those kind of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to work on that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was showing her, I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 1: Last night. We were phase timing and I showed her
Speaker 1: UM the final project I did for my class that
Speaker 1: I directed. UM and Olivia gave me a very nice
Speaker 1: compliment and I immediately rejected it. She shut me down.
Speaker 1: And you're like, we mean to go this well, but like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not just you. Everybody struggles with
Speaker 1: trying to be proud of their own work. And you
Speaker 1: work so hard and I can clearly see that you
Speaker 1: should be proud, But of course when it comes to
Speaker 1: talking about yourself, I think we're all our own worst critic. Yes, like,
Speaker 1: I can be so mean to myself. It's so bad,
Speaker 1: and I've been trying so hard to not um and
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: not talked about because I go through these things of
Speaker 1: I was talking to my cousin about this a few
Speaker 1: months back, and I was saying, how like I am
Speaker 1: my biggest obstacle, and he said something that kind of
Speaker 1: really intrigued me. He said, well, that's kind of nice
Speaker 1: that you know how to overcome you and if that's
Speaker 1: your biggest obstacle, then you can do that. And I
Speaker 1: was like, you're right, because I have the power to
Speaker 1: change that totally takes work. It takes a lot of
Speaker 1: daily work. Yeah yeah, but you know it's when even
Speaker 1: if you're mean to yourself, it's letting that go and
Speaker 1: just being easier with yourself because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day where all we have absolutely I'm definitely my
Speaker 1: own worst critic, and and there's almost like some kind
Speaker 1: of relief in that sometimes where if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: happy with something I've done, then I know that I
Speaker 1: should be proud of that because I think when you
Speaker 1: put yourself um, you give yourself such such high expectations
Speaker 1: and standards. When I finally am happy with something I've
Speaker 1: done or worked on, I'm like, dang, that took a
Speaker 1: lot of work to get there, right, even I'm proud
Speaker 1: of myself, Dang, that's kind of like my barometer of
Speaker 1: of that I worked really hard for that. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? Like, Okay, do you know what's really interesting?
Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of analyzing our friendship right now.
Speaker 1: And any time we try and like talk about the
Speaker 1: other person, we both try and like no, no, you
Speaker 1: like no, no, You're like I'm like telling about this,
Speaker 1: You're like no, but let me hear about you first.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, don't want to talk about ourselves. So
Speaker 1: we really do that quite a lot. We need to
Speaker 1: work on that, we do. We do. I feel like
Speaker 1: we've gotten better since the beginning of Yeah, got to
Speaker 1: the point guys where it was like we like I
Speaker 1: couldn't even start the conversation because let's talk about you.
Speaker 1: Like that still happens, it does, but not nearly as much.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're more comfortable just talking to each
Speaker 1: other ourselves more. Yeah, and what's and because we talk often,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not even that much to update each
Speaker 1: other because it's not superficial stuff exactly exactly, mostly just kidding. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have to take one more quick break, but when
Speaker 1: we come back, I want to talk about your new song, Evergreen,
Speaker 1: and your song from last year, The Train, one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. I also want to talk more about you
Speaker 1: growing up in the business, our friendship, social media, and
Speaker 1: much more. Will be right back and we're back. I
Speaker 1: know it's how we to accept compliments, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you are truly such a hard worker and you
Speaker 1: inspire me and for people that I don't that don't know.
Speaker 1: Olivia released a beautiful song that she wrote herself called Evergreen,
Speaker 1: and last year short and release a beautiful song called
Speaker 1: The Train, which I am obsessed with. And something that
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know is not only did
Speaker 1: you write it, but you also made and edited the
Speaker 1: lyric video yourself. You have edited multiple things. You are
Speaker 1: people a lot for a lot of people. It's a
Speaker 1: big team that does things. Olivia does it herself. Um,
Speaker 1: and it is so inspiring because sometimes we can all
Speaker 1: get trapped in our own head thinking, well, I don't
Speaker 1: have this, so I can't do it. But you are
Speaker 1: also a true definition of if you want to do something,
Speaker 1: just do it yourself. And that's really hard to do,
Speaker 1: to start something and put yourself out there. But I
Speaker 1: just want to say that, And I think your song
Speaker 1: Evergreen is so beautiful and I'm so proud of you
Speaker 1: for you did. You did the cover art, um, you
Speaker 1: did the lyric music video, and I just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that because you work so hard. Thank you. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're saying thank you. No, I I really,
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate that. Like if I want to be,
Speaker 1: you know, one thing as an actor, aside from hopefully
Speaker 1: being a good actor, I want to be just hard working.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate that. Um. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: maybe a misconception as well. Like, yes, I'm an independent
Speaker 1: artist and I do most of it myself. I wrote
Speaker 1: the song, Um, I had an amazing producer who did
Speaker 1: who produced it for me Isaac, And yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of work, but it's a lot
Speaker 1: of work that means a lot. Thank you. Sammy has
Speaker 1: always been so supportive of my music. I sent her
Speaker 1: my new song Evergreen before it came out because she
Speaker 1: wanted to hear. It was like I was having a
Speaker 1: bad day and I was telling you about and You're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna send you this. You can't
Speaker 1: show anyone. Yeah, and Sammy knows. I'm like, super, she
Speaker 1: won't send anything, and yeah, she won't until like you're like,
Speaker 1: we were bold perfectionists. So unless it's like to our
Speaker 1: standards correct, Yeah, yeah. If if I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things need to be changed,
Speaker 1: then I won't show it. But Sammy was in need
Speaker 1: of a little bit of distraction that day, so I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, here we go. Here you go,
Speaker 1: take it, take it, take it. But um, that's really kind.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sammy. I mean, this girl right here, Can
Speaker 1: I brag on you for a second? Okay, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get your permission. Um, I mean you
Speaker 1: guys listen. You guys know what an incredible podcast this is.
Speaker 1: And I always say that Sammy is a visionary. I
Speaker 1: think she has such a view of how she can
Speaker 1: contribute to the world and how she can contribute to
Speaker 1: um people our age and helping them have a voice
Speaker 1: and helping stand up for people. I think she has
Speaker 1: such a clear vision of how to be an authentic person. Um,
Speaker 1: I just think she's incredible. She's an amazing friend. Anybody
Speaker 1: that is lucky enough to be her friend knows that.
Speaker 1: And I'm just very grateful for you. She's incredible. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: she's also a student and so okay, but like, you're incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm just I just this is what facetimes are. Like
Speaker 1: time we'll try and complim each other and just like stop,
Speaker 1: you know I'm complimenting you now. Yeah, that's basically the
Speaker 1: conversations we've talked about this. But just like being in
Speaker 1: a young person in the industry especially that's so male dominated,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find like minded people. And I'm
Speaker 1: so beyond grateful because our friendship formed so naturally, it
Speaker 1: wasn't forced. Um and I feel like we've also just
Speaker 1: been there for each other in a weird way, even
Speaker 1: if it's just over FaceTime and we have like not
Speaker 1: the same career, but we understand what the other person
Speaker 1: is doing and going through, and because they are so similar,
Speaker 1: that's been super helpful, I will say, because not a
Speaker 1: lot of people know the process of pitching a show,
Speaker 1: of hoping to get renewed, to do you know, to
Speaker 1: do all of that, waiting to here on the next season,
Speaker 1: waiting to here in the next season, for each episode.
Speaker 1: And I think you've been a very good person for
Speaker 1: me to talk to because you've always it's very easy
Speaker 1: to lose sight of how hard it is, um, and
Speaker 1: I just very much appreciate how much you've just been like,
Speaker 1: this is an accomplishment you need to recognize. Yeah, and celebrating.
Speaker 1: I think we always remind each other, like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is actually an incredible thing. I think you're caught up
Speaker 1: in the moment. You don't realize that this is awesome. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: like celebrate yourself. I think we both do good at
Speaker 1: reminding each other of that, Like this is actually a
Speaker 1: big deal. I know you're caught up in the moment
Speaker 1: and it all might be stressful, but like celebrate this. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and we got each other, We got each other. Just
Speaker 1: love fest right here. I know, Olivia, I okay, First
Speaker 1: of all, make sure you follow Olivia on social media.
Speaker 1: Make sure you follow Sammy as well. She has great content,
Speaker 1: gorgeous gorgeous content. That's the thing I've been trying. I
Speaker 1: go back and forth. I'm sometimes I'm like I should post,
Speaker 1: and othertimes I'm like, I can't. It's the struggle. It's
Speaker 1: so an ongoing struggle, I know, because you're thinking it
Speaker 1: as a business. Of course, at the same time we're
Speaker 1: called teenage girls. Yeah, and it's also like interacting with
Speaker 1: um friends and fans is so cool. So I think
Speaker 1: when I think about it through that lens, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do want to post. I do want to share
Speaker 1: things because um, I don't know, I just want to
Speaker 1: I want to use my platform. So it is that
Speaker 1: mix of like I don't want to post on social media,
Speaker 1: but which I totally get because social media is it
Speaker 1: you're start because you're not on Snapchat, I'm not. No,
Speaker 1: I think that is when you are so mentally clear.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think. So I've only heard, you know, stories
Speaker 1: about snap scores and all that good stuff, and when
Speaker 1: people ask for my snapchat, Like, so, I remember I
Speaker 1: did like when we want some girls like I don't
Speaker 1: have a Snapchat. I was like, you thought it was
Speaker 1: so weird. No I didn't. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: kind of nice. I d like it cool. Yeah. Remember,
Speaker 1: I think like borrowed your phone to use the filters
Speaker 1: because back in the day when Snapchat filters were good, right,
Speaker 1: didn't I remember the dog filter? Oh my gosh, yes,
Speaker 1: I just liked the Like, I feel like Snapchat is
Speaker 1: one of those, like the most unnecessary social media platforms,
Speaker 1: Like it just does more harm than good. I agree.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the flower crown filter? Remember the unicorn
Speaker 1: and when like you open your mouth like a rainbow
Speaker 1: tongue would come out. Yes, yes, that was this was
Speaker 1: like when it was actually like good, Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: need Snapchat get often. You know, it's so true. There's
Speaker 1: plenty of other social media platforms. Exactly. Sometimes I wish
Speaker 1: we lived in a world where there was no social media.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh too, I feel like all the time, right,
Speaker 1: all the time, things were based on your talent instead
Speaker 1: of followers. Absolutely, OLIVI and I've talked about this, but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how frustrating it is to not get
Speaker 1: role or should be considered because of a lack of followers.
Speaker 1: And it's not about talent when it should be about talent. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough. It is. It is. I know you know this,
Speaker 1: but like I understand it. I understand that this is
Speaker 1: a side, but um, you know, I think actors were
Speaker 1: just such fragile people. We can't deal with that. We're
Speaker 1: so sensitive as an artist, yes, the artist, Yes I
Speaker 1: can't do with that. No, I'm just kidding, but no,
Speaker 1: I think that Again, that's back to the craft thing,
Speaker 1: like you gotta love the craft enough for all that
Speaker 1: to be worth it. Yeah, I feel that right. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're ever wondering what our conversations are, like, Um,
Speaker 1: this is it, this is it, this is it, this
Speaker 1: is our friendship in a nutshell. Um, go listen to Evergreen.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Thank you. And this year
Speaker 1: finally on the podcast, it's it's a time on my
Speaker 1: favorite season and now I'm a part of it. So
Speaker 1: I love that? Is it? Do I say, like I
Speaker 1: want to say, subscribe to your pod? Is that what
Speaker 1: I say? Is that how you subscribe to a podcast? Yeah? Okay, everybody,
Speaker 1: subscribe to this podcast. Please you made it this far
Speaker 1: and leave a comment a green emoji for Evergreen. That's
Speaker 1: how we'll know you've made it through. Yeah, let's pick
Speaker 1: a specific one, like a green, like the green tree.
Speaker 1: How about a green tree and a green heart? Love it?
Speaker 1: Love it perfect. We're gonna know we're gonna know. Also
Speaker 1: if you do that, comment that both on our Instagram post,
Speaker 1: and that's how we will also know. Yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that. We're kind of having a little secret code.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I would apply to whatever comments. Yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: do it. We love this. Thank you for coming. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Sammy. It's such a pleasure. This was
Speaker 1: a long time in making. It was I'm glad I do.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening to this week's
Speaker 1: episode of the Let's Be Real Podcast. I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Olivia, I love you so dearly, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on stream Evergreen. She's worked
Speaker 1: so hard on it, um and it's such an incredible song,
Speaker 1: and also listen to the train. Follow her on all
Speaker 1: her social media Instagram Olivia's Nabia TikTok, Olivia's nabia Um.
Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already,
Speaker 1: and follow me on Instagram at it Sammy J. That's
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Speaker 1: y E. And I will see you guys next week.