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Speaker 1: The Welcome to the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview Show. Tonight

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Speaker 1: we'll preview the college players who might be on the

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Speaker 1: Browns draft board this week. This is the University Hospitals

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Radio network. Here are your hosts, Ken Carmen

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zagura and I.

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Speaker 2: We take our very first steps towards the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four Browns campaign. We look ahead to Thursday night and

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Speaker 2: the Browns very first pick on Friday night with the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Cleveland Browns Draft Preview Show. All along

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Speaker 2: the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. Good evening, friends,

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Speaker 2: Ken crime on alongside of Nathan Zegurra, Mon Frere, Good

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Speaker 2: day to you.

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Speaker 3: It is great to be with you.

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Speaker 4: It's great to know that here we are once again

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Speaker 4: on the road to the NFL Draft, and yep, it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like that long ago Flacco fever was

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Speaker 4: gripping Cleveland and here we are onto a completely new season,

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Speaker 4: new team, although a lot of the same faces, and

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Speaker 4: we'll talk about that, but an opertunity again to add

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Speaker 4: some talent here in the draft. But it's it is

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Speaker 4: wild how quickly the NFL goes from the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: to the combine and free agency and now to the draft.

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Speaker 2: And you know how this will go. Well, we'll do

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Speaker 2: this show tonight. We'll go Thursday, Friday, Saturday with live

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Speaker 2: coverage Bell to Bell coverage of the NFL Draft and

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Speaker 2: all the Browns picks they got six and then we'll

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Speaker 2: do the review show on Monday, and before you know it,

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Speaker 2: you'll be down to the Greenbrier. We'll be getting ready

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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty four campaign. It happened so quickly, Nathan,

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Speaker 2: we gotta get ready for it, buddy.

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Speaker 3: It does well.

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Speaker 4: You know what the good news if you're a Browns

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Speaker 4: fan is that you sit here right now in a

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Speaker 4: position that in somewhat familiar in the sense that you

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Speaker 4: don't have a first round pick for the third consecutive season.

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Speaker 3: But it's also somewhat unfamiliar.

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Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is, if you were

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Speaker 4: to look at the Browns roster right now, can you

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Speaker 4: could you have a fifty three? You have a Week

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Speaker 4: one fifty three right now? In fact, you probably have

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Speaker 4: fifty nine. Like there's still gonna be some competition for

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Speaker 4: probably those bottom six spots in that fifty three and

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Speaker 4: there's probably more competition. But my point is we're not

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Speaker 4: going into a draft with the need to find a savior.

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Speaker 4: We're not going into the draft with the need to

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Speaker 4: find a starter. I don't think there's necessarily a starting

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Speaker 4: in the past when you knew, oh, we need a

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Speaker 4: left tackle, and so there you go, and you go

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Speaker 4: get Jed Wills. But this team is complete right now,

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Speaker 4: and I think what it does for Andrew Berry and

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Speaker 4: his and his crew is it gives them flexibility. And

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Speaker 4: what I mean by that is flexibility to stay true

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Speaker 4: to their board. If somebody falls that they don't think

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Speaker 4: up and get them. If they want to think about

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Speaker 4: succession planning, whether it be at the offensive tackle position,

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Speaker 4: they can basically draft the guy in redshirt them.

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Speaker 3: They don't need him. He got three starting.

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Speaker 4: Tackles this year, But next year, what's gonna happen with

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Speaker 4: Jed Wills, What's gonna happen with Jack Conkle. So I

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Speaker 4: think that it gives him a lot of flexibility. They

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Speaker 4: put together a great team and the probably the biggest

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Speaker 4: difference in anything that from the time that you and

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Speaker 4: I have been doing this in mont been doing it

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Speaker 4: for a long, long, long time, is that they really

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Speaker 4: have built a culture here in the sense that everybody

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Speaker 4: on the team last year that was a free agent

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Speaker 4: wanted to come back, and in fact, a great many

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Speaker 4: basically they are running it back from last year with

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Speaker 4: a few exceptions. And I think that it speaks to

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Speaker 4: after talking to you know, Zadarius Smith and Rodney McLeod

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Speaker 4: and Moe Hurst and Shelby Harris as to why they

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Speaker 4: came back, there's something special brewing here in Cleveland, And

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Speaker 4: I think it's kind of nice for the draft not

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Speaker 4: to be our super Bowl, right, It's just kind of

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Speaker 4: likely nobody whose name is called now Andrew Burry's done

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Speaker 4: a good job finding mj Emerson two years ago, Dewan

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Speaker 4: first round production. But I don't know if anybody even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what. I know that there were

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Speaker 2: you had Shelby Harris come here last season, you had

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Speaker 2: and then you go out and you sign Quentin Jefferson,

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Speaker 2: who might be my favorite signing of the offseason. I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people excited about Jerry Judy and

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Speaker 2: Jamis Winston to be a primary backup to Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 2: and those are exciting people. I mean, you got a

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Speaker 2: Quinton Jefferson, I think is going to pay dividends for

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Speaker 2: that great performance they had in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are two moves on the defense that I like.

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Speaker 3: Quentin Jefferson.

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Speaker 4: He talked about I think eleven sacks the last two seasons,

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Speaker 4: So he gives you another interior pass rusher, another consummate

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Speaker 3: In that room.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe you keep five of them again, but

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Speaker 4: you've got Dalvin, You've got Quentin Jefferson, You've got Shelby Harris,

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Speaker 4: you got Mohurst, he got Siaki Eka. Now a lot

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Speaker 4: of people think the Browns are taking a defensive tackle

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Speaker 4: mock draft at Cleveland Browns dot com Hall from Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of names that could come into

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Speaker 4: But I love the Quinn Jefferson one. And then also

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Speaker 4: on that second level, I love the Jordan Hicks signing.

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Speaker 4: Just getting to talk to him. An incredibly impressive guy.

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Speaker 4: He's been a captain everywhere he's been. He knows Jim

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Speaker 4: They say he's a fixer upper. Andrew Berry is very

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Speaker 4: you kind of went and you know, Anthony Walker Junior,

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Speaker 3: So they had to make a move there.

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Speaker 4: But I think those two veterans are very nice signings

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Speaker 4: you're still able to bring back Rodney McLeod, who very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you the way I see this defense, Nathan,

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Speaker 2: The Browns have six choices in the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: have two in the seventh. But we know that Andrew

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Speaker 2: he likes to burn up the phone lines, he likes

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Speaker 2: to get active during the NFL Draft. How likely is

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Speaker 2: it that we hold onto all six of these picks,

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Speaker 2: Probably not very likely.

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Speaker 4: I would say zero percent that we make all the

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Speaker 4: a very unlikely outcome. And then as for holding all

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Speaker 4: make two seventh round picks because are those guys what Sanchel,

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Speaker 4: what position would you draft in the seventh round? Be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that guy's got a good shot to make this football team.

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Speaker 4: And they've done a very good job in the undrafted

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Speaker 4: had really three of them. You had Rocket Hickman, who

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Speaker 4: He had Mamod Diabat, and then Khalif Hlassi, who was

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Speaker 3: So he had three of them.

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Speaker 4: So it's my guess is one of those seventh round

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Speaker 4: think there definitely could be some maneuvering around. I do

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Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of movement that could be had.

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Speaker 2: that there's gonna be a whole lot going on for

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Speaker 2: your Cleveland Browns. A lot of new faces around the

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Speaker 2: probably as Bill Callahan goes down to be with his son,

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Speaker 2: and you have Andy Dickerson now who's the offensive line

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Speaker 2: of these guys, Nathan, what's kind of been the vibe

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Speaker 3: It's been a good vibe.

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Speaker 4: And I think Ken Dorsey was really brought in with

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Speaker 4: you bring in Ken Dorsey, there's a lot of excitement

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Speaker 4: around this offense and what they're gonna be. I think

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Speaker 4: we're gonna live in eleven personnel a lot more. I

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Speaker 4: think we still will be multiple, but I think you're

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Speaker 4: gonna see a lot of eleven.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna see a lot of shotgun.

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Speaker 4: The things that Deshaun Watson quite frankly, has excelled with

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Speaker 4: Tommy Reese was the offensive coordinator at Alabama year ago.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Cleveland Browns Draft preview show, all

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Speaker 3: Ab good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: That's the mindset that we can. Maybe somebody's gonna fall

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Speaker 7: Be honest, like going into the combine, that wasn't really

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Speaker 7: on our radar, although we knew it, you know, and

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Speaker 7: maybe passed off season. It's something that we at least

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Speaker 7: checked in on, but it really wasn't on our radar

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Speaker 7: going into the combine. So it came together, i'd say,

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Speaker 7: relatively quickly, you know, once we knew that there was

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Speaker 7: a potential for him to be to be available and

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Speaker 7: it was just the right fit for us, and it

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Speaker 7: was the right fit for Denver, and we're glad he's here.

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Speaker 4: Can you give a little peak behind the curtain, like

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Speaker 4: how does that happen? Are you out at Saint Elmos

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Speaker 4: and in comes you know from Denver and they're like, hey, it.

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Speaker 7: Really it really ends up becoming a you know, a

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Speaker 7: function of you know, regular trade calls that make or

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Speaker 7: the combine is easy because everyone's in once shot. It

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Speaker 7: may be you know, part of conversations usually when the

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Speaker 7: workouts are going between breaks, you know, teams or gms

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Speaker 7: are going to each other's suites and everything just to

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Speaker 7: talk roster. And so really we were I think we

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Speaker 7: were actually right next to Denver during the combines. So

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Speaker 7: we just came up with that just with conversation with George.

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Speaker 4: So I said, then you're you're like, okay, all right,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy. I'm yeah, I'm interested in so do a

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Speaker 4: little bit of work with it. Yeah, and then here

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Speaker 4: Jerry Judy is So that's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: It's a weapons league, and you've talked about how you're

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Speaker 4: so focused on the trenches but also very cognizant of

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Speaker 4: the fact that weapons are needed. You go get him.

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Speaker 4: You've invested some draft picks and receivers as well. What

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Speaker 4: can tell us about David Bell, who I thought played

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Speaker 4: very well against Cincinnati in that season finale and then

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Speaker 4: set or kill him in a couple of third rounds

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Speaker 4: from the last few years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so David, you know, David our staff calls a

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Speaker 7: mister reliable. He's he's probably especially in this offense where

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Speaker 7: we'll probably see an expansion of the use of choice routes.

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Speaker 7: He's very smart, good decision maker with those it has

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Speaker 7: very reliable hands. So he's a little bit like a

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Speaker 7: quarterback's you know, safety blanket said, bigger body receiver who's

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Speaker 7: a really good separator, you know, and has strong hands.

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Speaker 7: I think we all saw him take off in the

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Speaker 7: second half of last year, so we're really excited about

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Speaker 7: him and what he can add to the offense in

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Speaker 7: that group in general, just because we you know, when

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Speaker 7: we build our skill group, we want skill.

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Speaker 6: Sets that complement or compliment one another.

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Speaker 7: Sure, we'd love to have you know, Amari Cooper, who

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Speaker 7: can really kind of do a little bit of everything,

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Speaker 7: you know, with absent using you know, a a you know,

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Speaker 7: high amount of resources on the position. We really look

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Speaker 7: more for specific skill sets that can do specific roles

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Speaker 7: within the offense.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of your receiver room is I feel

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Speaker 4: pretty good about it now with them Ari, Jerry Judy,

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Speaker 4: Elijah Moore, the two young guys and some more I'm

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Speaker 4: sure who are going to be competing as it goes on.

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Speaker 6: We do feel good about that group. You know, it's

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Speaker 6: got to play out.

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Speaker 7: You know, we believe in having as much competition across

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Speaker 7: the different rooms as possible, but you know, we do

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Speaker 7: feel like we have a number of individuals that bring

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Speaker 7: something unique to the table.

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Speaker 4: When you kind of go into a draft and think of,

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Speaker 4: you know, you talked about earlier, are our top assets,

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Speaker 4: right you kind of like to classify those top assets

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Speaker 4: into certain positions, not classified, but to kind of there

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Speaker 4: are groupings of positions that are worthy of that asset

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Speaker 4: due to because salaries and things of that nature. What's

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Speaker 4: kind of just big picture wise, what are the kind

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Speaker 4: of them in your mind the most important positions for

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Speaker 4: top level assets in the draft or even you know,

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Speaker 4: in a trade.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think people know we're quarterback centric

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Speaker 7: organizations the most important positions, but I think people know

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Speaker 7: that we likeliemen like that. I don't think that's a secret.

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Speaker 7: And then you know, really positions that influence the passing game.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's really our priority. That we don't operate

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Speaker 7: exclusively in that manner, and you have to be able

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Speaker 7: to be you know, flexible just because you can't dictate

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Speaker 7: or control the draft. But over the long run, you'll

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Speaker 7: probably see our investment in those areas.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of the quarterback, how's de Shaun doing for these

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Speaker 4: Feeling good, looking good, and it seems very positive for

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 7: Deshaun's doing well. He's he's progressing approperly in his rehab.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's he's continued used to ramp up his

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Speaker 7: throwing progression. We're all very pleased with with what we've

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Speaker 7: seen in terms of his recovery to date, and we'll

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Speaker 7: continue to take a week by week.

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Speaker 4: When I ask you about the running back room, and

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Speaker 4: you can throw a sprinkle at Nick Chubb update in

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Speaker 4: there while you do it. But you know, I think

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Speaker 4: Pierre So, I like Pierre Strong a lot. I think

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Speaker 4: he's got a little bit of juice. Jerome had a

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Speaker 4: tremendous year for us as well. He bring in a

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Speaker 4: Deonta foreman who I look this up. He had eleven

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Speaker 4: games in his career, He's gotten twenty or more carries,

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Speaker 4: he's run for more than a hundred yards and seven

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Speaker 4: of them. So you big, strong, physical back and kind

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Speaker 4: of do kind of some of those short yardage things.

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Speaker 4: And then you added Nahem Heinz who can return kicks

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Speaker 4: but also speed.

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Speaker 6: Catches the ball the back field all that.

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Speaker 4: When you kind of look at that room, are you

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Speaker 4: happy with where that is right now because you've got

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Speaker 4: a mix of veterans and young guys or is that

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Speaker 4: a room as well that you know you want to

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Speaker 4: think about this year and beyond.

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Speaker 7: I'd say everyone we think about this year and beyond.

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Speaker 7: But as it sits here today. We were pleased with

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Speaker 7: the performance that we got out of that room last year.

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Speaker 7: I think we were able to sprinkle in some additional

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Speaker 7: skill sets, and I've mentioned I think the running back

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Speaker 7: position is it's more of a platoon position in today's game,

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Speaker 7: and we certainly feel like we have the skill sets

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Speaker 7: there currently. That's not to say that we won't add

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Speaker 7: between now and you know, the September opener.

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Speaker 6: But we like the guys that we have to date.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about your draft board. When do you say,

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Speaker 4: all right, enough's enough. We cannot can to chase ghosts,

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Speaker 4: no more analysis. The board is set. Have we reached

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Speaker 4: that point?

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Speaker 6: No, it's it's it's at that point.

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Speaker 7: It's really more thinking through strategy at this point. Usually

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Speaker 7: the board's probably set two weeks out before the draft

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Speaker 7: apps in any you know, unique or special information you

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Speaker 7: know coming in, and then really really the last two

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Speaker 7: weeks it's scenario planning and strategy.

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Speaker 4: The simulations, which are you guys like to do those?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: We do?

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 7: We run through a number of different simulations just to

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Speaker 7: maybe stress tests, you know what our preferences are at

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Speaker 7: different picks, and you know what we would do if

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Speaker 7: presented with different trade scenarios, because it's a little bit

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Speaker 7: like when we're in the fall and the team practices

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Speaker 7: based down's third down, red zone, short yardage, goal line

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Speaker 7: two minutes throughout the week to be prepared for the

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Speaker 7: upcoming up own it. Sure, there's no different for us

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Speaker 7: that the first time you don't want to react to

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Speaker 7: a set of scenarios is when you're on the clock,

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Speaker 7: because at that point, when you get to Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 7: it's really about execution.

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Speaker 4: In that once your board's kind of set and you

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Speaker 4: can talk as much or as little as you want

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Speaker 4: about this. But I know part of it is kind

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Speaker 4: of there is some information sharing where you're able to

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Speaker 4: kind of gauge what's maybe the perception of a guy

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Speaker 4: that you like or maybe don't like preps. It's putting

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Speaker 4: that out there as well. But how does that really

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Speaker 4: kind of work? And is it a certain group of

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Speaker 4: people you trust that trust you that you guys are

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Speaker 4: able to kind of look at things in the same way.

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Speaker 6: You know, most of our talks are stay internal.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's not to say that you know, if

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Speaker 7: you have a like mentor like how we you're you know,

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Speaker 7: friend like quasi where you may bounce something off of

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Speaker 7: them when you know you're not maybe in the same

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Speaker 7: market for a specific position, but most of the work

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Speaker 7: is really done internally.

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Speaker 6: How excited are you for this?

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Speaker 4: As I know you probably like, hurry up, let's let's let's.

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Speaker 6: Get it going. It's definitely been hurry up and wait

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Speaker 6: time for a little bit.

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Speaker 7: So or we're kind of ready to go. We've spent

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Speaker 7: enough time, you know, talking through and talking through prospects

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Speaker 7: that you know we're ready to go this weekend. But

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Speaker 7: it's also nice that this is kind of a slow week.

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Speaker 7: We'll do a couple more you know sessions of scenario playing.

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Speaker 7: Our scouts are in, which is always great to see that,

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Speaker 7: but but we are ready to.

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Speaker 4: Go in those scenarios. Do you ever let somebody else

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Speaker 4: be the one that has to make that decision just

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Speaker 4: to kind of see how they handle those type of situations.

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Speaker 7: Less so in like a like a formal aspect like

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Speaker 7: usually we'll have we'll have the group make the selection

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Speaker 7: if we run through like a simulation, rather than be

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Speaker 7: saying who I'm actually gonna pick. But it really is

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Speaker 7: more like dress rehearsal practice, so we try and make

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Speaker 7: it as realistic as possible.

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Speaker 4: If you can say fill in the blank after this draft,

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Speaker 4: it will be a success in your mind.

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Speaker 7: Maximize our resources, as simple as that. Whatever that looks like,

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Speaker 7: whether that's trades, player selections, you name it.

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Speaker 6: It's really just about maximizing your resources.

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Speaker 4: Or excited to see you maximize our resources. Ab thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for the time. In best of luck,

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Nate. We'll be back with more of the

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Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns Draft preview show on the University Hospitals Cleveland

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Speaker 4: Browns Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Cleveland Brown's Draft preview show

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Speaker 1: with the first pick. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns Radio Network. Here again Jane Carmen and Nathan'sguran coverage.

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Speaker 2: Of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft continuing right here

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Speaker 2: on the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. Browns have

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Speaker 2: picked number fifty four. That's not till Friday night. In

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Speaker 2: the preview the entire draft, including the fifty fourth pick.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in ESPN NFL Draft analyst Matt Miller who joins

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Speaker 2: us on the show. Matt, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. Always a great

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Speaker 8: time to talk some Cleveland Browns football.

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Speaker 2: Browns were a contending team last year. Nice record, didn't

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Speaker 2: finish the way they wanted, But obviously I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much that plays into the draft plans. But for

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Speaker 2: a lot of fans, you know, when you're a playoff team, Matt,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people start to think need how do

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Speaker 2: you balance it? The Browns believe they have their franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They believe that they have a very talented roster right now,

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Speaker 2: they don't have a first round pick for the third

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Speaker 2: year in a row. So with those set of beliefs,

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Speaker 2: how do you balance need versus BPA.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough, and I think that's the challenge.

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Speaker 8: We see a lot of general managers get labeled with, oh,

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Speaker 8: they're a great GM because they're picking in the top

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Speaker 8: five every year.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 8: It's easy to collect big names and players we all

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Speaker 8: recognize and almost collect like all stars basically, but it's

658
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Speaker 8: a lot.

659
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Speaker 5: Harder to build a team.

660
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Speaker 8: And I think that's the process that Andrew Berry and

661
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 8: the front office are moving into.

662
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 5: Now, is trying to build a team.

663
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Speaker 8: I think you can look at a team like Kansas

664
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 8: City that has done such a great job of balancing

665
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Speaker 8: what you mentioned need and value, and so there are

666
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 8: some years where you could say, my gosh, we feel

667
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 8: like we haven't need a tackle or wide receiver, but

668
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 8: they stick to their value and by doing that, you

669
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Speaker 8: really elevate the entire rosters that are chasing need. So

670
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 8: it is a harder thing to do when you're drafting,

671
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 8: especially without first round picks for multiple years. Certainly hard

672
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 8: to do that, but I would say they deserve a

673
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 8: ton of credit for the job that they've been doing,

674
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 8: you know, adding guys like Amari Cooper, Jerry Judy through

675
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 8: the trade market, finding steals in the draft like Jeremiah

676
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 8: Lusu Kormos did a great job of balancing, Hey, how

677
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 8: do we build a team? Understanding we gave up so

678
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 8: much draft capital to solve that quarterback question. So now

679
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 8: it's a matter of being able to scout and identify,

680
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 8: especially in rounds two and three, players they can come

681
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 8: in on a playoff roster and contribute, become impact players

682
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 8: and hopefully become starters and blue chip players. It's a

683
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 8: lot harder than it sounds.

684
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: Honestly, obviously, and Matt this is going to be a

685
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: tough week for you because you do so many interviews

686
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: and depending on how MOS go. I think it's an

687
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: educated guess. I don't know, because you're taking guesses predictions

688
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: on what teams might value, and then all of a

689
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: sudden it turns into you don't like this guy or

690
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: you really like this other guy. It's like, well, that's

691
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: not necessarily the case. Is there a player though, that

692
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: you think would be the right fit at fifty four

693
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: for the Browns?

694
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

695
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 8: I mean I look at the defensive tackle position, and

696
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 8: I think defensive tackle, you.

697
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: Know, two guys are going to be off the board.

698
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 8: Byron Murphy Texas Johnny Newfillinois, they're gonna be up to the part.

699
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 8: Look at Chris Jenkins from Michigan. I think that's the

700
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 8: perfect range for him where that's a really good value

701
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 8: someone that's a very very good athlete, super super high

702
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 8: character player as well a leader from Michigan. His production

703
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 8: maybe doesn't match the athleticism that you see. However, Michigan

704
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 8: has a streak of this that Rashaan Gary coming out

705
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 8: the production didn't necessarily match the athleticism we've seen what

706
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 8: he's turned into So that's kind of a Michigan thing,

707
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 8: the way they rotate, the way they ask guys to

708
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 8: play almost selfless football. That's a consistent theme for Michigan

709
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 8: defensive lineman. So I like Chris Jenkins in that range.

710
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 8: I think second round is a great spot for defensive tackles.

711
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 8: Brandon Fisk from Florida State could be in that range.

712
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 8: I'm a big believer in Mason Smith from LSU. He

713
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 8: could be in that range as well. And heck, Michael

714
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 8: Hall junior from Ohio State. That might be a little

715
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 8: bit early for him, but if it was a situation

716
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 8: where he felt like you could maybe trade back to

717
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 8: get a little extra value.

718
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: I think Hall at the end a round two is

719
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: a really really good pick.

720
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Speaker 8: Someone that could be that, you know, play next to

721
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett the job a little bit easier, but finding

722
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 8: that interior pass rusher, I think is something that's really

723
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 8: key for them.

724
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: I live about five hundred feet from the high school

725
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: he went to, so everybody in the town here obviously

726
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: would like to like to hear Michael Hall go into

727
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: the Cleveland to pick fifty four. Steam history draft history

728
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: play into this, Youally Andrew Berry has done well in

729
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: some one in some spots and other spots. You know,

730
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of lacked here and there. And he'd

731
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: be the first one to admit that, how much does

732
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Speaker 2: a team's history with the position factor into where they

733
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: go with that position? Because we know it matters a

734
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Speaker 2: great deal to fans.

735
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know that it matters so much to

736
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 8: front opposites. I think, you know, there's definitely a confidence

737
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 8: of we can fix our previous mistakes. And I even

738
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 8: know when I self scout myself, you know, I'll go

739
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 8: back and look like, why did I miss on that player?

740
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 8: And you almost have that hubris of, well, you know

741
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 8: it probably it's the player as much as it is me.

742
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the situation was bad, or you know,

743
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 8: maybe the player wasn't as ready to contribute as I

744
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 8: thought they were, or maybe they weren't as good of

745
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 8: a fit in that scheme, or maybe it's like an

746
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 8: injury thing that.

747
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 5: You you're willing to overlook.

748
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 8: But I do think that that's something you have to

749
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 8: be willing to like grow and move past and understand. Okay,

750
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 8: why did we miss here? Was it a bad evaluation

751
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 8: on our part? Was it a bad situation we put

752
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 8: the player into or was there another factor you know

753
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 8: with the actual player that you overlooked or that you missed.

754
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 8: And I think that's the key to being a good

755
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 8: front office is learning from those mistakes. Like I said,

756
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 8: it gets harder every when you're a good team, it

757
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 8: is a lot harder to draft. You have fewer needs,

758
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 8: you have your holes, you're picking later in every rounds.

759
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 8: It gets difficult, you know, to find guys who can Hey,

760
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 8: how do we even get guys on this roster that

761
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 8: can contribute? Knowing how good we are as a team.

762
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 8: And I think that is something that we've seen a

763
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 8: little bit with Cleveland despite not having the first round picks.

764
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 5: But you know, Day two defensive linemen haven't been the

765
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: impact there that I think you would like them to be.

766
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 8: But that also says something about the defensive linement that

767
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 8: had been brought in that have been able to be

768
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 8: contributors to still keep that defense one of the best

769
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 8: in the league.

770
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Speaker 2: Matt Miller joining ou cespn NFL Draft in his fall

771
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: him on Twitter at NFL Draft Scout. So like a

772
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: guy like Devandre Sweat, red flags combined showed up heavy

773
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: obviously off the field with what happened with the DWY.

774
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: How does a team factor in a guy like that

775
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: talented and there's other names there. Obviously I'm not just

776
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: picking on him, but yeah, take that talent. Does that

777
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: immediately put him outside the top one hundred or how

778
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: much does the team's culture fitted to maybe selecting a

779
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: player like that?

780
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's huge. You have to know your own locker room.

781
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 8: You have to know, you know, what, what are we

782
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 8: bringing this player into and is it a good environment

783
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 8: for some of his you know, quote unquote issues.

784
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: You know, if you have a strong veteran locker room

785
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: that can bring that player in and say hey, we

786
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: don't do that here. You know, we're about ball.

787
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 8: If you have a good you know, I think player

788
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 8: management system or player development department where they can say, hey,

789
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 8: let's get you around some people that can help, you know,

790
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 8: get you on the straight and narrow to some degree.

791
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: You have to know your own building.

792
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 8: I'll never forget talking to an NFL general manager several

793
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 8: years ago about a player that I thought would be

794
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 8: very good for them, and he said, are locker room

795
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 8: can't handle him right now? We're not to a point

796
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 8: where we have the leadership to handle a player with

797
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 8: those you know, kind of known qualities, and so I

798
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 8: think for to Andandre Sweat, every team's going to have

799
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 8: that same evaluation of, hey, what is our locker room like?

800
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 8: If you've got a bunch of young defensive linemen that

801
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 8: like to go out on the weekends and party, it's

802
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 8: probably not the best environment for a guy who just

803
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 8: got a DWI and has been vocal himself about some

804
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 8: you know, problems that he had early in his career

805
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 8: at Texas, but being a bit of a nightlife guy,

806
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 8: so I think you've got to be careful about what

807
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 8: you're bringing.

808
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: Him into it.

809
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 8: And like you said, he's not the only one. You know,

810
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 8: there's a handful of players in this class that every

811
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 8: team's going to have that same conversation about of is

812
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 8: our locker room and is our position specific room a

813
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 8: good environment for this player given those issues, And that's

814
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 8: that's a big part of the decision making because you.

815
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: See, the talent is obvious.

816
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 8: He was the Outline Award winner, He's a he's an

817
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 8: offensive line wrecking machine at three hundred and sixty six pounds,

818
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 8: But you got the weight management stuff. Now, this is

819
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 8: an all field issue, and to happen three before the

820
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 8: draft is almost I had a GM. What's tell me

821
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 8: the month before the draft's an IQ test? Just can

822
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 8: you stay out of trouble? Because if you get in

823
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 8: trouble the month before the draft, you really don't have

824
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 8: time to clean it up. You don't have time to

825
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 8: adjudicate it. You also don't have time to go around

826
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 8: to thirty two NFL teams and explain, you know, hey,

827
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 8: this was a mistake, it won't happen again, and try

828
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 8: to make amends for it.

829
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: So it is is certainly tough timing.

830
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: This will be Andrew's fifth draft with the Browns as

831
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: their general manager. He was here before when the Eagles

832
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: came back became the GM. How much easier does the

833
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: job get for a GM once they've actually had some

834
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: time and like you mentioned, to know the locker room

835
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: of guys they picked and brought in this free agency.

836
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's huge.

837
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 6: I think.

838
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 8: Just like we can look at an offensive line and

839
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 8: say that line is going to get better every year

840
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 8: they play together, it's the same thing for front office.

841
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 8: You're gonna understand your strengths and weaknesses. You're going to

842
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 8: hire people that can help elevate some of the things

843
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 8: that maybe you don't do as well, and you know

844
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 8: you're going to elevate your own game as an evaluator.

845
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 8: So I think it's hugely But also like just the

846
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 8: intimate way that you know your roster, you know, after

847
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 8: that amount of time, is huge because you know, at

848
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 8: this point you've seen a rookie class go through an

849
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 8: entire cycle, and so I think you have a better

850
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 8: understanding of where your roster's at, where your strings are.

851
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 8: You know what players that you know, if you bet

852
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 8: on development from guys and they didn't hit those markers,

853
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 8: you can go back and evaluate and say, Okay, if

854
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 8: we took this guy, you know, like why didn't he

855
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 8: get where we wanted him to be? Here was I

856
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 8: don't know, us was out on the player, kind of

857
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 8: going back to that original conversation. So I think it's

858
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 8: huge just for not only you know you've got the

859
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 8: connections throughout the NFL and college football to be.

860
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: A better general manager, but you just know your.

861
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 8: Roster so much better at this point, which is again

862
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 8: I think it's why you can make a move like.

863
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 5: Trading for a Jerry Judy because you know where.

864
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 8: Your roster's at you know how close you are, and

865
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 8: you know that you know that's the type of move

866
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 8: that they can potentially put you over the top.

867
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: ESPN's Matt Miller with us Browns have six picks. This

868
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: is a vague question. Is there a Day three diamond

869
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: in the rough you might like for the Browns in

870
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: that spot?

871
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, they're Day three is my friend, butter

872
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 8: So I love the Day three guys. You know what,

873
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 8: I think the Day three.

874
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: Corner class is actually one of the more intriguing ones.

875
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: You know.

876
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 8: I look at Cam Hart coming out of Notre Dame,

877
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 8: someone who had good athletic ability, a physical player. I love,

878
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 8: I mean love Daikwon Hardy from Penn State. He's a

879
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 8: great best returnment in this entire draft class. I mean

880
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 8: he made a ton of big plays for Penn State

881
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 8: despite the fact, you know, there are some corners there

882
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 8: who are more highly regarded than he has been the

883
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Speaker 8: last two years, certainly Joey Porter Junior, Kaylyn King. But

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Speaker 8: I'm a big Day Quon Hardy fan, Jerry and Jones

885
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 8: in the fifth round, I think has a ton of

886
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 8: value as an inside corner. So that is you know,

887
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: running back, tight end corner. I think those are your

888
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 8: day three sweet spots this year.

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00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: All right, final one, I haven't asked you about quarterbacks.

890
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: Everybody talks about quarterbacks. First round qbs. Who are your

891
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: best fits? Who might be fits? You're gonna go ee

892
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: if they take that guy? I'm not sure about that.

893
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kayleb Williams number one Chicago, great fit. I think

894
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 8: Jay Daniels and Washington lineup really well just based on

895
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 8: you know, the speed and the vertical threat. They have

896
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Speaker 8: a receiver, the offensive cornator that they haven't Cliff Kingsbury.

897
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Speaker 5: I love that. I worry about Drake May and.

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Speaker 8: The New England Patriots just because the fact of that

899
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 8: is an offensive roster that is deficient of talent right now.

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Speaker 8: You know, they don't have the offensive line figured out.

901
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 8: They don't have that number one veteran wide receiver that

902
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Speaker 8: we so often see a young quarterback need. So whether

903
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 8: it's Drake May or JJ McCarthy to New England, I

904
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Speaker 8: worry about that situation.

905
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Speaker 5: And then I think Minnesota.

906
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Speaker 8: Whoever goes to Minnesota has a nice paved runway when

907
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 8: you have you know, justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison two very

908
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 8: good offensive tackles, a former quarterback as a head coach,

909
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 8: they have a really really good setup for whichever quarterback

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Speaker 8: they're able to get.

911
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: Does someone jump back in the first round for Michael

912
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: Pennick Junior?

913
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 5: I hope.

914
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 8: So it's harder to find that team, you know. Maybe

915
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Speaker 8: it's the Raiders, maybe it is the Broncos, although they

916
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 8: don't have a second round pick, so that gets harder

917
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 8: to do.

918
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Speaker 5: But I hope. So, just you know, as a pure

919
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 5: thrower who remember drafts him.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully it is a team that has, you know, the

921
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 8: ability to give him a nice clean pocket to throw from,

922
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 8: because when he's kept clean, it's absolutely beautiful.

923
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: What he does is a thrower.

924
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: Matt Miller ESPN. You know the name. Obviously you've heard

925
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: the name and you've heard him for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Fall him on Twitter if you're not already at NFL

927
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Speaker 2: Draft scout, Matt, thank you very much for the time.

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Speaker 5: Enjoyed the draft, Yeah, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We come back, Nathan and I will take you around

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Speaker 2: the league. We'll look at some other teams needs, including

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Speaker 2: the AFC North and the three chief rivals for your

933
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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. You're listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview

934
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Speaker 2: show on the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network.

935
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft preview show.

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Speaker 6: The Cleveland Browns Select It in.

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Speaker 1: The University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's Radio Network. Here again, Kim

938
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Carmen and Nathan Zigura.

939
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Speaker 2: All righty, Nathan, time to go around the league and

940
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Speaker 2: around the AFC North as we get everybody ready for

941
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Speaker 2: the draft coming up Thursday night, and remember you will

942
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Speaker 2: have live coverage starting at eight pm. We go to

943
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Speaker 2: midnight Gerrod Cherry, Nathan Zigura and myself Friday night rounds

944
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Speaker 2: two and three at the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,

945
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Speaker 2: Nathan Sura, Tivus Powell and I will take you through

946
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Speaker 2: seven pm to midnight and then Saturday rounds fourth through

947
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Speaker 2: seven noon to three pm. Nathan Zegura and Tyavus Powell

948
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Speaker 2: take you right through Saturday and see some of the

949
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: brand new Browns that'll be coming to the fold. Here

950
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Speaker 2: with Kevin Stefanski screw. But we look around the AFC North. Nathan,

951
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: what team do you think had the best addition?

952
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: I mean, the best singular edition would have to be

953
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: Derrek Henry going to the Ravens right, but at the

954
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Speaker 4: same time picking someone else. I think the Ravens have

955
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Speaker 4: gotten worse. I think they lost so much. And you

956
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: think about that defensive side. Their entire coaching staff now,

957
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: their defensive coordinator is the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.

958
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: They basically lost their d line coach, Anthony Weaver, who

959
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 4: is now the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins. They lost

960
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: their secondary coach, their linebacker coaches. Now their defensive coordinator,

961
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: Patrick queen Leaves. He goes to Pittsburgh, which I thought

962
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: was a great signing. G know, stone Leaves who led

963
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: the NFL in interceptionalist year, and he goes to sin Today,

964
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: why do these people have to stay in the AFC

965
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Speaker 4: North you leave the Ravens, be gone, go to the NFC,

966
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: and instead they're there. But I think those were some

967
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Speaker 4: of the big additions. And then you know, if you

968
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Speaker 4: look at what the Steelers did, they realized Kenny Pickett

969
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Speaker 4: was not the answer. I know that your boy Pony

970
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Speaker 4: was probably.

971
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: All that time he gave up no.

972
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Speaker 2: By that time it was benet at Darnold.

973
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: So long than you could he was so good.

974
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Speaker 4: And then they get Russell Wilson, who if you just

975
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: if he plays like he did in Denver, they will

976
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: be a better football team than they were a year ago.

977
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 4: And then they get Justin Fields for nothing, which I

978
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: did not like whatsoever. But I thought Derrick Henry is

979
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: certainly the biggest name coming into this division along with

980
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Speaker 4: Russell Wilson. But I like what Cincinnati did on its defense.

981
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 4: I think the Steelers improved by improving their quarterback position.

982
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: I think the Ravens, though, have I think, even though

983
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry is a great addition for them, how much

984
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: better can they be at running the ball? Gus Edwards

985
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: hid thirteen touchdowns.

986
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Speaker 2: I tell you, let me say that Derrick Henry, I

987
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: think that he'll You know, a lot of people are like, well,

988
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: he's old, nan, He's not gonna have to run the

989
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: ball like he's I said, you know, he might end

990
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: up being used like Nick Chubb was here, and hopefully

991
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: we'll be again over these last couple of years where

992
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: you look at it and go, all right, fourth quarter,

993
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: We've saved him a little bit. Now it's time to

994
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: salt this thing away. Derrick Henry is such a big

995
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: body guy that I think that he could probably be

996
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: used properly with the Baltimore Ravens. I thought Patrick Queen

997
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: in that addition to Pittsburgh might be worth something there.

998
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: But I did think I agreed with you. I think

999
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: I think Baltimore lost the most there. But you know

1000
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: you're successful over those last few years, You're definitely gonna

1001
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: lose some people. Coming up next, we'll give you the

1002
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: bold prediction of this year's draft. Can be anything, Nathan,

1003
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: it can be anything. Anybody doesn't have to be Brown's.

1004
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: And do we make more picks on offense? Or do

1005
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: we make more picks on defense? We got six right now,

1006
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: can we have more? Could we have less? We'll find out.

1007
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Speaker 2: Next it's the Cleveland Browns Draft Preview Show on the

1008
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Speaker 2: University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network.

1009
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Cleveland brown Draft Preview show with

1010
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: the first pick. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns

1011
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: Radio Network. Here again Jane Carmen and Nathan's Gura.

1012
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Thursday Nights the night the fun begins. But for the Browns,

1013
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: it's gonna start on Friday. Pick number fifty four to

1014
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft Nathan before we wrap things up,

1015
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Speaker 2: put the finishing touches on this preview show. Want to

1016
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: know who what do you think the Browns? Do they

1017
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: make more picks on offense or do they make more

1018
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: picks on defense?

1019
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: You know, I think that offensively, you're talking about an

1020
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: offensive tackle. You're talking about a wide receiver or running

1021
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: back potentially its height end. Defensively, I think you're looking

1022
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: at a defensive tackle and then maybe a linebacker. So ultimately,

1023
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: I think you will get more picks on offense. But

1024
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 4: we've got six right now, so it could very easily

1025
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: be three and three when it's all said and done.

1026
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 4: But I think I will say more on offense, and

1027
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: I think this has a chance to be the first

1028
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: draft ever to have twenty offensive players picked in the

1029
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: first round.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen's the record. I think they shouldatter that this year.

1031
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: Really all together. Now, that's not your bold prediction, is it.

1032
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: That's not a bold prediction. No, my bold prediction. I'll

1033
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: give you a I'll give you a Browns bold prediction.

1034
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: That's not that bold. But I think, oh well, come on, now,

1035
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: anything's bold, and we got six picks.

1036
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: Let's hear it, all right.

1037
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: My bold prediction is that the Browns will select the

1038
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: offensive tackle out of Yale at some point in this draft,

1039
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: and that he will be a starting tackle for the

1040
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns in the year twenty twenty five.

1041
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: All right, wait, you don't like that.

1042
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I just get to hear my father in

1043
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: law yell about people being drafted out of the Ivy League.

1044
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: So that's gonna be fun. Well, then I hope I'm

1045
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: wrong for you. No, I'm kidding.

1046
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: If he's a good football player, no, no, no, Nathan,

1047
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 2: if he's a good football player, let's take.

1048
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: A good football player.

1049
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: I'm not agreed, but I know the free It won't

1050
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: even you know what, it's not gonna be my father

1051
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: in law. I don't even want to say him. It's

1052
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: someone in the family. I said it on him because

1053
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: he could take it. Someone in the family. I ain't

1054
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: gonna tell you who is gonna go. Hey, the Ivy

1055
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: League guy, you think you're better than me, That's what's

1056
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: gonna I'm telling you right now, just a videota.

1057
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: See Tredder was an Ivy League guy, and he was

1058
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: a pretty darn good center.

1059
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: For They don't want to hear it.

1060
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: So you think you better than me? Which I don't

1061
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think the guy, the kid out of

1062
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Yale will anyway. But uh, I like that prediction, uh

1063
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: bold prediction. I think JJ McCarthy's going to be pretty good.

1064
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: I think Jayden Daniel is going to be pretty good.

1065
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about Uh. I don't know about Caleb Williams.

1066
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of pressure out on

1067
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: him and ended up cracking a bit under the pressure

1068
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: last year with USC. Wherever he goes, obviously Chicago, they

1069
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: haven't had a quarterback in eighty years. Gonna be a

1070
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on that young man. But we'll talk

1071
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Speaker 2: about Thursday, all right, during the Cleveland Browns Draft and

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Speaker 2: during the NFL Draft coverage. A big thanks to executive

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Speaker 2: producer Jason Gibbs our producer Meredith Caine for the wonderful

1074
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Speaker 2: Nathan Zigura. I'm Ken Carmon, thanking you for listening to

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Speaker 2: the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's radio network.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Cleveland Browns Draft preview show.

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Speaker 1: The preceding program was a production of the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: came part of the Browns Media Network.

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Speaker 5: For Cleveland Browns Selects

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Speaker 1: Live draft coverage, starts Thursday night at eight on the

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