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Speaker 1: Pushkin Stevie Lay and I'd like to welcome you into

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Speaker 1: the studio. Thanks for being here. Oh, I'm recording. I

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Speaker 1: hope you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for telling me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have your verbal consent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm opting in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm recording.

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Speaker 2: I'm also recording.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember being asked for my consent.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, can I record?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: You may, Thank you, Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be re listening to an encore presentation

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Speaker 1: of an episode that we did or that you know

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Speaker 1: you produced six years ago about a man named Scott. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and here's a little glimpse behind the curtain. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of investigation. Yes, that takes place, and you're captain

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Speaker 1: of the heavyweight investigative Bureau.

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Speaker 2: I love attending that my job is a PI.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of. I mean, it's like it is.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did a lot of research I did.

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Speaker 4: I will say that this is an episode that genuinely

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Speaker 4: at every turn we were surprised by what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was.

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Speaker 4: Really I feel like that was like really fun while

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Speaker 4: making it. Yeah, but like I do feel that that

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Speaker 4: translates into the story in a really amazing way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the very end, I'm going to catch

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Speaker 1: up with Scott. We're going to find out where in

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Speaker 1: his life he is all these years later.

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Speaker 2: So I guess should should we play it for the people.

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Speaker 1: Without a do or a don't? Let's sit back, pop

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Speaker 1: the foot, rest on your bark a lounger and enjoy.

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Speaker 1: But oh, sorry, did I scare you?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I just wanted to. Sorry I got excited.

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Speaker 1: But first a word from our sponsors. Let's play truth

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Speaker 1: or dare? Okay, go ahead, No, Jackie, you cut out.

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Speaker 1: You cut out. I couldn't hear if you said truth

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Speaker 1: or dare? Which one did you say?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: I'm not willing, I'm not interested. I don't want to play.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever peed in a shower?

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Speaker 1: Tell the truth? Have you ever peed in a shower? Jackie.

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Speaker 3: That's just not a question, John, is it?

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Speaker 1: Because the answer is yes?

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Speaker 3: Affirmative?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Have you ever peed in a bathtub?

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Speaker 3: Negative?

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Speaker 1: You've never peed in a bathtub.

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Speaker 3: That's disgusting. Why would you peel on yourself?

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I did you did?

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Speaker 3: You just said no?

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Speaker 1: I didn't? Okay, Okay, you you were surprised because I'm

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Speaker 1: not in the hot seat.

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Speaker 7: You are, You're not.

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Speaker 3: We're having a conversation.

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Speaker 1: I want to have a we are having a conversation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you could do you want to get read the conversation

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Speaker 1: from Gimblet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight

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Speaker 1: Today's episode. Scott. Okay, we're rolling. So Scott, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Maybe the thing to do would go on

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Speaker 1: if you're lucky. The mistakes you make as you move

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Speaker 1: through life are small and harmless, calling your teacher mommy,

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Speaker 1: hang on a second, Yeah, yeah, tell me more, Scott.

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Speaker 1: But the mistake Scott made wasn't the small kind. It

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Speaker 1: one of the people Scott loves most, and he's been

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Speaker 1: trying to fix that mistake for the past eight years.

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Speaker 1: For Scott, the story all begins when he was a kid,

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Speaker 1: which is when he first discovered drugs.

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Speaker 8: I was thirteen, and then alcohol, and then it quickly

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Speaker 8: kind of descended from there. So I first did cocaine

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Speaker 1: Scott's mom suffered from chronic pain and there were always

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Speaker 1: And for a while it worked. Scott graduated high school,

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Speaker 8: And I say friend now by looking back on it,

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Speaker 8: And so we're driving down I seventy. He's in shotgun.

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Speaker 1: Within a year, Scott lost his job and moved into

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Speaker 1: He still needed to get high every day and now

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Speaker 1: Soon the boxes were empty, and Scott began to eye

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Speaker 8: So like a radio on the shelf, just right there

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Speaker 8: So then they piled me into the back of the

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Speaker 8: I was petrified. I was petrified of the legal consequences

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks into his detention, a garbled voice

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Speaker 8: Nobody had visited me yet, and so I thought it

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Speaker 1: But Scott's father wasn't there to offer support. He was

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Speaker 8: His most prized possession, the luger, this German pistol that

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Speaker 1: Of all the things Scott had stolen from his dad,

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Speaker 8: I've only seen my father cry when his dad passed away,

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Speaker 1: For four months, Scott sat in jail awaiting trial. When

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Speaker 1: After two years, Scott walked out of the facility and

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Speaker 1: he's been clean since. He has a wife, two young kids,

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Speaker 8: I have all but forgiven myself for a lot of

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Speaker 1: So about five years ago, Scott took his dad's list

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 8: That's kind of my uncle's style, but not necessarily his.

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Speaker 1: Although Scott's dad didn't say anything, Scott understood that his

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Speaker 8: I know that there's still trust issues there. I know

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Speaker 8: Like Nazi sympathizer people.

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Speaker 1: Exactly like, yeah, it's possible. Yeah, I don't abide by

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Speaker 1: Anton Chekhov once said, if a gun shows up in

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Speaker 1: that's where I keep the charge card I use for

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Speaker 1: I dial gun dealerships all over the country to seek advice.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be almost impossible.

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Speaker 9: There may not be any type of record because it.

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Speaker 10: Could just be in some private collector's collection. It's gonna be.

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Speaker 7: Hard for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you straight up.

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Speaker 5: Do you know when it was sold?

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Speaker 8: Do you have any type of serial number?

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Speaker 8: Might, Uncle Bill, my dad's older brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Christmas Morning himself. Are you in touch with

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Speaker 8: I am, I mean not a ton, but I am.

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Speaker 8: Now, I'm uh, I mean, of course, there's a cloud

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Speaker 1: Shortness of breath would come next, then burning in the

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Speaker 8: But maybe we could both do it. Yeah, we could

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Speaker 1: So with me on the line as his emotional defibrillator,

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Speaker 3: Good after that this is Bill.

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Speaker 8: Hello, Uncle Bill, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, mister Goldstein.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hi. After Scott and I jockey over who will

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Speaker 1: hide behind who's petty coats? Scott boldly peers out from

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Speaker 3: I believe it had a fairly low serial number, but

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Speaker 1: The holster, so you don't have the serial number. I

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Speaker 3: It's a piece of history of his history that was

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Speaker 3: I knew. And that's about all we have from him

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Speaker 1: When Uncle Bill speaks to the gun, it's as though Scott,

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Speaker 3: The gun disappeared to help beat his habit, and I

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I paid off every cent with his dad either.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was going to go and beat

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Speaker 1: Do you still feel like you fault your brother for that?

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Speaker 3: Somewhat?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: The reality of World War two events is that they

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Speaker 1: After the war, Scott's grandfather became an alcoholic. He spent

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Speaker 1: Before getting off the phone, Uncle Bill does offer a

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Speaker 1: When Scott was in jail, Mary was the one who

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Speaker 5: He accidentally still a bookmark from the store, just because

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Speaker 10: And we hadn't, and he cried all the way home

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Speaker 1: Mary still sees her little brother as the same well

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Speaker 1: She finds wartime postcards, letters to their grandmother, photos of

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Speaker 10: And then she found the actual document the bringback papers.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, Okay, so what and.

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Speaker 3: By now it's pretty crazy?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but yellowing with it almost looks like it as

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Speaker 10: four five nine.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Hi Giovanni, how are you, Johnson? I'm good. How

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing well, doing well. I get Giovanni's

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a World War two era luger, Giovanni

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, you have any incomplete synumer.

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Speaker 1: Giovanni explains that lugers serial numbers have both numbers and letters,

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Speaker 3: Lugers probably about.

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Speaker 10: It could be one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Hoping to narrow the pool. I tell Giovanni it wasn't

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Speaker 1: you an event? Okay? So in giving you that serial number,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you can look it up in a

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely no.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: What would you do if you were trying to track

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Speaker 3: I will give up.

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Speaker 1: Before hanging up, Giovanni says, there's one last thing we

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Speaker 1: a shot. The clerk's name is George, and he and

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Speaker 1: They're still connected on Facebook. So Scott messages asking if

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Speaker 10: Yes, and then he calls me back a couple minutes later,

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Speaker 1: It turns out that when George bought the gun from

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00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:57,129
Speaker 1: Scott eight years ago, he intended to keep it for

446
00:24:57,209 --> 00:25:01,090
Speaker 1: himself at the time, George and his wife were expecting

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Speaker 1: a baby.

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Speaker 10: And about two weeks after I had sold him that gun,

449
00:25:05,609 --> 00:25:07,730
Speaker 10: he found out his wife had brain cancer.

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00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:10,889
Speaker 7: Oh my god, like really aggressive.

451
00:25:10,369 --> 00:25:13,209
Speaker 10: Brain cancer, and she ended up having to go undergo

452
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:17,130
Speaker 10: really aggressive radiation, and so because of that, they ended

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Speaker 10: up losing the baby.

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Speaker 1: Just months after buying the gun from Scott, George sold

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Speaker 1: it to pay for his wife's medical bills, and.

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Speaker 10: Then she passed away a number of months after that.

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Speaker 10: And it just brings up these kind of horrible memories

458
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Speaker 10: that he's trying to avoid diving back into.

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Speaker 1: Each time the gun has changed hands, it seems it's

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00:25:40,129 --> 00:25:49,490
Speaker 1: been in the midst of violence, desperation, and personal tragedy. Well,

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Speaker 1: George doesn't want to talk. He does remember the name

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Speaker 1: of the person he sold the gun to, the owner

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Speaker 1: of a rare coin and gold boullion shop, a man

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Speaker 1: named Klaus.

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Speaker 5: I just keep my collecting interest private. You know, some

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Speaker 5: people think just because you buy Nazi guns that you

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Speaker 5: are na seen.

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Speaker 1: When I first phone Klaus at his store, he's reluctant

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Speaker 1: to talk. He's nervous about being judged for his hobby.

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Speaker 5: I'm a collector, but you know, some people associated collecting

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Speaker 5: World War two German memorabilia with, you know, Nazism.

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Speaker 1: I reassure Klaus that that's not what I think, But

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Speaker 1: over the course of our phone call, I become less

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Speaker 1: sure of what I think.

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Speaker 5: I have a Luger serial number seven. What makes it

476
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Speaker 5: so interesting that Hitler's party pen number was number seven,

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00:26:42,129 --> 00:26:44,769
Speaker 5: so he was, you know, the party member number seven.

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00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:46,769
Speaker 5: I have a number seven Luger.

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Speaker 1: How did you acquire something like that?

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Speaker 5: I have some things that are very, very unusual, you know,

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00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:03,490
Speaker 5: I came I'm an immigrant.

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00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:04,410
Speaker 8: I came from Germany.

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00:27:05,689 --> 00:27:11,009
Speaker 5: My grandfather was a Nazi officer, and my father was

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Speaker 5: was in the youth.

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Speaker 1: I have many questions for Klaus. First and foremost, why

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00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:24,249
Speaker 1: are you telling me Jonathan Goldstein about your familial ties

487
00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:28,129
Speaker 1: to the Nazis? But I'm not here to interrogate Klaus.

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00:27:28,649 --> 00:27:31,369
Speaker 1: I'm here to find Scott's gun. So I try to

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00:27:31,369 --> 00:27:34,369
Speaker 1: steer us back on track. I tell Klaus that I'm

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00:27:34,409 --> 00:27:37,530
Speaker 1: calling on behalf of a man named Scott, whose grandfather

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00:27:37,609 --> 00:27:40,570
Speaker 1: once owned a Mauser Luger that George sold to him

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00:27:40,609 --> 00:27:44,649
Speaker 1: some years ago. Klaus tells me that's not possible. He

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00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:47,209
Speaker 1: tells me he never bought a gun from George. He

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00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:50,449
Speaker 1: doesn't even know who George is. And besides, he says

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00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:55,050
Speaker 1: he's never owned a Mauser Luger. Maybe you're mistaken, I say,

496
00:27:55,490 --> 00:28:00,210
Speaker 1: all these guns kind of look alike, black, shiny, shooty.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you lost track of it, maybe it fell behind

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00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:07,250
Speaker 1: the couch. Klaus tells me he'll look around, but he's

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Speaker 1: non committal, just trying to get me off the phone.

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Speaker 1: Then at eleven thirteen PM, I get a text, Hello Jonathan.

501
00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:26,169
Speaker 1: It reads call me at your convenience, and speaking of convenience,

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00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:29,290
Speaker 1: no need to so much as move a muscle, because

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00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:31,769
Speaker 1: I'm about to march right over there and dump a

504
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:50,010
Speaker 1: truckload of savings directly onto your face. Discu Hey, this

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00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:53,890
Speaker 1: is Jonathan Goldstein speaking. How are you well. I have

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00:28:53,970 --> 00:28:56,770
Speaker 1: some news for you. I found the gun.

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00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:02,489
Speaker 11: What Yeah, are you kidding me?

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00:29:02,650 --> 00:29:03,249
Speaker 1: No?

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00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:04,249
Speaker 3: No, are you kidding me?

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00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:04,730
Speaker 1: No?

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00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:06,370
Speaker 7: Oh my god?

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00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:07,770
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:08,730
Speaker 7: You found it?

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00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:09,530
Speaker 9: Yes?

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00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:16,850
Speaker 10: Wow, Yeah, I'm blown away.

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00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:22,130
Speaker 1: It's a matter of whether we'll be able to get it. Okay,

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00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:25,690
Speaker 1: it's still in Klaus's possession.

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00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:27,770
Speaker 7: So did you talk to him?

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00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:34,529
Speaker 1: I did, and uh, it was an interesting conversation. So

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00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:36,290
Speaker 1: you found you found the gun.

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00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:39,850
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I was surprised last night. It took

522
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:43,569
Speaker 5: a look and I went into my vault room and

523
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:45,290
Speaker 5: I found it.

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00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:49,009
Speaker 1: The luger was still in the original holster. Attached to

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00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:53,170
Speaker 1: it was a tag with Scott's grandfather's name. Would you

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00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,730
Speaker 1: be open to, uh, the idea of selling it back

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00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:59,330
Speaker 1: to him?

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00:29:59,570 --> 00:30:11,850
Speaker 5: Well, my first thought is probably not. It's just that

529
00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:15,370
Speaker 5: I legally purchased the gun. And I mean I'm a collector,

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00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:17,530
Speaker 5: and you know I paid for it.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, would you would you say that his

532
00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:23,010
Speaker 1: grandfather paid for it with his service?

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00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:30,250
Speaker 5: I mean it's war bounty that someone brought over from Germany.

534
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:32,810
Speaker 5: You know, he didn't pay for it.

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00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:38,290
Speaker 1: From Claus's perspective, the gun Scott stole was already stolen property.

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00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:42,170
Speaker 5: He took it off as a German officer. And you know,

537
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:46,209
Speaker 5: as we spoke prior, my grandfather was an officer in

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00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:50,490
Speaker 5: World War Two, and you know, my thoughts were chia,

539
00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:57,610
Speaker 5: you know, could that gun been his? At this point,

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00:30:57,650 --> 00:31:00,410
Speaker 5: I'm not really compelled to let go of the gun,

541
00:31:00,850 --> 00:31:02,250
Speaker 5: but I still give it some thoughts.

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00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:09,249
Speaker 1: So the way that we left it was u He

543
00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:10,450
Speaker 1: said that he'd think about it.

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00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:15,890
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I won't start celebrating yet, but we know

545
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:18,810
Speaker 7: who has it, we know where it is, so now

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00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:22,729
Speaker 7: it's just kind of tactfully figuring out what it's going

547
00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:24,330
Speaker 7: to take to get it back.

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00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:32,010
Speaker 1: I really do respect your optimism. I don't think we're

549
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:36,969
Speaker 1: going to get the gun back. Personally, I'm gonna try.

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00:31:38,290 --> 00:31:39,250
Speaker 3: We're going to get that gun.

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00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:43,610
Speaker 1: Since Scott's not ready to admit defeat, I suggest he

552
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:46,650
Speaker 1: tried making his case directly to Klaus in a letter,

553
00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:50,290
Speaker 1: So Scott writes from the heart. He explains the full

554
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:53,249
Speaker 1: story of his addiction, his time in jail, and his

555
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:56,930
Speaker 1: guilt about his dad. My greatest regret was that I

556
00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:59,289
Speaker 1: would never be able to get this heirloom back in

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00:31:59,330 --> 00:32:02,930
Speaker 1: the hands of my father, Scott writes, But now, for

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00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:07,290
Speaker 1: the first time, that seems like a possibility. Eight years ago,

559
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:09,930
Speaker 1: I was so addicted to heroin that I was pretty

560
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:13,010
Speaker 1: sure I was going to die. That fact has since

561
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:17,370
Speaker 1: been replaced with another, more hope filled one second chances

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00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:22,250
Speaker 1: are real. Klaus receives the letter but offers no response.

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00:32:26,890 --> 00:32:29,930
Speaker 1: Two weeks go by and still we hear nothing, so

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00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:34,330
Speaker 1: I send another email. Klaus's answer is short. I have

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00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:37,250
Speaker 1: considered Scott's response, and I have decided to not sell

566
00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,009
Speaker 1: the gun at this time. If my position ever changes,

567
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:40,969
Speaker 1: I will contact you.

568
00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:44,050
Speaker 11: Klaus.

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00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,690
Speaker 7: That's just ridiculous.

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00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:49,009
Speaker 8: Settling on the fact that we know where it is

571
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,010
Speaker 8: and not getting it back.

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00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,690
Speaker 3: That's just like super frustrating.

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00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:57,450
Speaker 7: I mean, there's got to be something we can do.

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00:32:58,450 --> 00:33:01,050
Speaker 1: Scott says he's willing to pay whatever Klaus wants for

575
00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:05,489
Speaker 1: the gun. So again, I contact Klaus. It's not a

576
00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:10,290
Speaker 1: money issue. Klaus responds almost immediately, I'm just not interested

577
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:15,290
Speaker 1: in selling a gun to an individual. I can't figure

578
00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:19,050
Speaker 1: out what exactly Klaus means by an individual. Maybe in

579
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:23,450
Speaker 1: the past he sold guns to organizations or museums. When

580
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:26,770
Speaker 1: I write him back, he responds with this, based on

581
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:30,010
Speaker 1: the background information, I would not sell this gun back

582
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:35,050
Speaker 1: to Scott. So it's not really an individual per se,

583
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:40,209
Speaker 1: it's this individual. Scott's letter hadn't made Klaus feel sympathetic.

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00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:44,290
Speaker 1: It made him feel nervous. Like with Scott's criminal past,

585
00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:47,370
Speaker 1: A gun and a second chance might not make for

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00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:53,370
Speaker 1: a great combo. If there was any hope, it's now gone. Well,

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00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:57,490
Speaker 1: I have an update update Okay. A couple days later,

588
00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,490
Speaker 1: I catch Scott at work. Yeah, I have another update.

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00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:06,730
Speaker 1: Uh huh, it looks like Klaus is willing to sell

590
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:07,050
Speaker 1: the gun.

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00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,130
Speaker 7: Ah, you're kidding me.

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00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:14,050
Speaker 1: No, you were right. Oh, you were right to be hopeful.

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00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:18,450
Speaker 1: I did not think that I was going to be

594
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:19,730
Speaker 1: reporting this back to you.

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00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:21,930
Speaker 3: What brought it about? What changed his mind?

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00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:25,730
Speaker 1: I'd asked Klaus the same question. It seemed as though

597
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,410
Speaker 1: over the weekend you had a change of heart.

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00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:30,250
Speaker 5: I figured you were going to haunt me until I

599
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:32,930
Speaker 5: finally get it back to the guy.

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00:34:33,490 --> 00:34:34,530
Speaker 1: I probably would.

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00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:37,770
Speaker 5: I just thought, you know, it seems like the guy

602
00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:42,650
Speaker 5: really wanted that item back. So yeah, I just didn't

603
00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:43,890
Speaker 5: want to be haunted about it.

604
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:47,810
Speaker 7: So oh, I can't even believe it.

605
00:34:48,850 --> 00:34:51,170
Speaker 1: But there was still one thing that Klaus hadn't changed

606
00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:54,050
Speaker 1: his mind about, And I feel bad having to tell Scott.

607
00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:56,770
Speaker 1: He is saying that he is willing to sell the gun,

608
00:34:57,650 --> 00:35:02,290
Speaker 1: but he won't sell it to you. Klaus doesn't trust Scott.

609
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:04,810
Speaker 1: Bottom line, I mean, he doesn't know me.

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00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,330
Speaker 8: He doesn't know that it's become a contributing member of society.

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00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:12,970
Speaker 1: After everything Scott's done to redeem himself, the rehab, the

612
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:18,210
Speaker 1: good works, Klaus's judgment stings, but Scott gets it. It's

613
00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:21,770
Speaker 1: something he's experienced before, people accusing him of theft when

614
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:24,810
Speaker 1: things go missing, women breaking things off when they learn

615
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:27,930
Speaker 1: he was once an addict. The world still sees Scott

616
00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:31,930
Speaker 1: as a bad bet, but he sweeps aside his feelings

617
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:35,490
Speaker 1: to address the more pressing question, who can we get

618
00:35:35,570 --> 00:35:38,690
Speaker 1: to buy the gun? The first person that comes to

619
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:41,770
Speaker 1: my mind is the person who's always believed in Scott most.

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00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:43,210
Speaker 1: What about your sister?

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00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:47,090
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, now, she would be totally open and willing

622
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:47,490
Speaker 8: to do that.

623
00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:49,370
Speaker 7: Oh, one hundred percent.

624
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:51,890
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like we're going to be buying a gun.

625
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:53,050
Speaker 8: Let's buy a gun.

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00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:59,490
Speaker 1: That's right, except we don't. After looking into Colorado's complicated

627
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:02,529
Speaker 1: gun laws, we learn that because Mary's not a full

628
00:36:02,530 --> 00:36:05,810
Speaker 1: time Colorado resident, it's illegal for her to buy the gun,

629
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:10,290
Speaker 1: so we discuss options. Scott's could buy it and give

630
00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:13,930
Speaker 1: it to his dad, but that's also illegal in Colorado.

631
00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:18,170
Speaker 1: Only blood relatives can gift each other guns. We consider

632
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:21,930
Speaker 1: Uncle Bill totally legal, but Scott's worried he'd buy it

633
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:25,290
Speaker 1: and then want to keep it for himself. Out of

634
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:28,530
Speaker 1: viable family members, we consider getting a middleman to buy

635
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:31,250
Speaker 1: the gun from Klaus, then sell it to Scott, who

636
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:33,810
Speaker 1: can then give it to his dad. But as it

637
00:36:33,850 --> 00:36:36,930
Speaker 1: turns out, there's a term for this, a straw purchase,

638
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:44,090
Speaker 1: and it's a federal felony. It's been nearly two weeks

639
00:36:44,090 --> 00:36:47,450
Speaker 1: of phone calls with Scott, with lawyers with the Colorado

640
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:51,370
Speaker 1: Firearms Unit, and with each passing day, I become increasingly

641
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:55,410
Speaker 1: nervous about Klaus changing his mind. So I present Scott

642
00:36:55,450 --> 00:37:00,130
Speaker 1: with what might be our last remaining option, his dad Win.

643
00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:05,850
Speaker 1: Scott falls silent for the first time in the course

644
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:10,530
Speaker 1: of this quest. He seems defeated. Thought of placing his father, Win,

645
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:13,770
Speaker 1: the man afraid of the crack voiced pizza boy, in

646
00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:16,370
Speaker 1: a room with Klaus, the man with the gun vault

647
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:18,530
Speaker 1: and the luger that may or may not have belonged

648
00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:21,930
Speaker 1: to Adolf Hitler, makes him wonder if maybe it's all

649
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:25,490
Speaker 1: just gone too far. But at this point it's the

650
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:29,290
Speaker 1: only way to get the gun, so Scott agrees Win

651
00:37:29,530 --> 00:38:01,450
Speaker 1: will buy the luger. After the break, Win and Klaus.

652
00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:50,850
Speaker 3: Hello.

653
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:55,610
Speaker 1: Scott and his dad Win meet me on the way

654
00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,530
Speaker 1: to see Klaus. Mary's here too, She's come along for support.

655
00:38:01,330 --> 00:38:03,410
Speaker 1: Klaus told us to meet him at a gun shop.

656
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:06,130
Speaker 1: He knows where they can run the necessary background check.

657
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:08,410
Speaker 1: We all get into Scott's.

658
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:10,930
Speaker 9: Car, people with microphones and stuff.

659
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:17,210
Speaker 1: Scott's dad, Win is seated up front. He's brought along

660
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:20,570
Speaker 1: the luger's empty case, which sits on his lap. When

661
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:23,489
Speaker 1: is bride eyed and smiley, but knowing from Scott how

662
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:26,450
Speaker 1: shy and nervous his dad can be, gives his jolliness

663
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:30,210
Speaker 1: a slightly forced quality. A road work case in point,

664
00:38:30,490 --> 00:38:34,010
Speaker 1: when our eta gets pushed back due to roadwork, Win

665
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:41,050
Speaker 1: bursts into song, Oh work here? Or this is when

666
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:44,489
Speaker 1: as Scott tells us about his day's pretty dark day,

667
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:47,130
Speaker 1: when is the one giggling in the background.

668
00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:52,969
Speaker 8: Four people into detox programs this morning, So a lot

669
00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:59,090
Speaker 8: of distraught parents and overdosing teenagers to deal with this morning.

670
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:06,130
Speaker 2: The destination is on your land.

671
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:08,210
Speaker 1: Maybe you can even pull in. Oh what is a

672
00:39:08,290 --> 00:39:10,890
Speaker 1: private party? We pull into a parking lot and we

673
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:13,770
Speaker 1: all get out of the car, all except for Scott.

674
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:17,330
Speaker 1: After the way Klaus responded to his letter, He's afraid

675
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:19,370
Speaker 1: if he goes in he'll blow the whole deal.

676
00:39:19,850 --> 00:39:20,810
Speaker 9: We'll be right back.

677
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:24,850
Speaker 11: Cool, well, have fun.

678
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:25,130
Speaker 9: Yes, all right?

679
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:30,010
Speaker 1: From behind the windshield, Scott watches as his father ambles

680
00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:32,650
Speaker 1: towards the gun shop, empty gun case in his hand.

681
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,570
Speaker 1: I can imagine how Scott's feeling. Scott already believes he's

682
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:42,610
Speaker 1: failed his dad in so many ways, Sending him to

683
00:39:42,610 --> 00:39:45,210
Speaker 1: buy back his own gun in a rundown looking gun

684
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,210
Speaker 1: shop with bars on the windows must feel like one

685
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:57,290
Speaker 1: more failing. Let's buy ourselves a gun. Time to buy

686
00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:03,210
Speaker 1: a gun. At the door, a large man wearing sunglasses

687
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:07,490
Speaker 1: and a holstered gun silently greets us wind Ducks. Inside

688
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:11,370
Speaker 1: walls and shelves of the gun shop are full of

689
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:16,130
Speaker 1: Nazi metals, Nazi helmets, Nazi hats, belts, uniforms, guns, and

690
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:20,610
Speaker 1: Swastika armbands. And at the center of it all is Klaus,

691
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:24,930
Speaker 1: who is at present chummily talking to a large tattooed

692
00:40:24,970 --> 00:40:29,610
Speaker 1: clerk with a white goatee. They quiet down when Win,

693
00:40:29,850 --> 00:40:36,330
Speaker 1: Mary and I approach. Klaus appears to be in his sixties.

694
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:40,090
Speaker 1: He's a slight man with thinning, slick back hair. Winn

695
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:44,130
Speaker 1: walks over, smiling nervously as Klaus turns to greet him,

696
00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:48,410
Speaker 1: and then the grandson of a Nazi officer shakes hands

697
00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:54,570
Speaker 1: with the son of an American soldier. As Mary and

698
00:40:54,610 --> 00:40:58,290
Speaker 1: Klaus introduce themselves, I adjust the levels on my recorder.

699
00:40:58,970 --> 00:41:01,570
Speaker 1: The goateed man has a look about him that says

700
00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:05,890
Speaker 1: I don't listen to podcasts just the same. I take

701
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,010
Speaker 1: a deep breath, scoop my testes out of my MPR

702
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:14,330
Speaker 1: tote bag, and, in my best vocal approximation of Ira Glass,

703
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:20,650
Speaker 1: demand my journalistic rights. Uh. And would it be okay

704
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:23,810
Speaker 1: if we were to be recording for the thing they

705
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:24,970
Speaker 1: we're doing in the background?

706
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:26,930
Speaker 5: Absolutely not okay, Absolutely no.

707
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:33,170
Speaker 1: Cut it. The luger sits on a glass display counter.

708
00:41:33,970 --> 00:41:38,370
Speaker 1: Winn walks over. That's it, he says, his father took

709
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:41,330
Speaker 1: it off of my grandfather. Klaus jokes to the goateed

710
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:45,490
Speaker 1: man the gun is pristine. Mary and I take turns

711
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:49,690
Speaker 1: holding it. It's heavier than we expect. Win hands a

712
00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:53,850
Speaker 1: driver's license over for the background check. While we wait,

713
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:57,969
Speaker 1: there's an awkward silence. I consider asking if anyone seen

714
00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:00,890
Speaker 1: Mama Mia too. Here we go again, and if so,

715
00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:04,090
Speaker 1: whether they thought the closing super Trooper number at the

716
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:07,969
Speaker 1: Hotel Belladonna was a bit much. But before I can

717
00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:13,450
Speaker 1: clear my throat of anxiety, mucus, the background check is complete.

718
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:16,810
Speaker 1: After all the hoopla. It took all of ten minutes.

719
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:21,490
Speaker 1: Wind gives Klaus the money, and Klaus gives Win the gun.

720
00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:25,530
Speaker 1: For perhaps the first time ever, the luger changes hands

721
00:42:25,570 --> 00:42:30,370
Speaker 1: without incident. Klaus watches as Winn carefully places the gun

722
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:33,730
Speaker 1: back into its case. Don't let it get out of

723
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:37,410
Speaker 1: the family anymore, he says, as the goated man watches

724
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:45,330
Speaker 1: us Wind our way to the exit. On the ride back,

725
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:50,450
Speaker 1: everyone is quiet. I imagine Scott is feeling relief, Mary

726
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:54,530
Speaker 1: Pride and her brother, but watching Win in the front seat,

727
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:58,170
Speaker 1: staring out the window, gun case at his feet, it's

728
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:59,490
Speaker 1: hard to say what he's feeling.

729
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,410
Speaker 8: God, this is crazy to see.

730
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:10,610
Speaker 1: At Mary's apartment, we all have around the dining room table,

731
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,810
Speaker 1: Scott's grandfather's gun has been placed at the center. Scott

732
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:17,290
Speaker 1: and Mary marvel at it, but I'm amazed at the

733
00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:20,450
Speaker 1: tag is still on it. Yeah, and it has a number.

734
00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:23,170
Speaker 8: Four or five nine. Look at that.

735
00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:25,210
Speaker 2: This is crazy.

736
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:27,730
Speaker 8: You understand how crazy this is.

737
00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:32,930
Speaker 1: If Winn does understand how crazy it is, it's hard

738
00:43:32,970 --> 00:43:37,410
Speaker 1: to tell. There's something muted about his response. In fact,

739
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:41,130
Speaker 1: since we've entered the apartment, Wind hasn't seemed interested in

740
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:44,130
Speaker 1: his father's gun at all. When Scott asks him if

741
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:47,970
Speaker 1: he'd like to hold it, he declines, well, Scott and

742
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:51,570
Speaker 1: Mary passed their grandfather's gun between them. Winn sits silently.

743
00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,930
Speaker 1: I tried to draw him out. Did you put any

744
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:57,170
Speaker 1: hopes in ever getting that gun back?

745
00:43:58,730 --> 00:44:01,650
Speaker 9: I thought it was unfortunate that this appeared, but I

746
00:44:01,770 --> 00:44:05,250
Speaker 9: pusn't saying darn. I wish I could find that gun.

747
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:09,450
Speaker 9: It's just a material of object.

748
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:18,170
Speaker 1: No one is sure what to say. Sure, it's a

749
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:21,970
Speaker 1: material object, but it's a material object that carries great meaning.

750
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:25,250
Speaker 1: It's a material object that connects him to his dad.

751
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:32,330
Speaker 9: I was not as close to my dad as I

752
00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:36,330
Speaker 9: would like to have been, the guy with a glass

753
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:38,730
Speaker 9: of Scotch whiskey in his hands, sitting in the easy chair,

754
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:43,330
Speaker 9: tossing out criticisms as needed. The way you grow a

755
00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:45,330
Speaker 9: better son is to criticize.

756
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:48,930
Speaker 1: Him for the first time all day when isn't cracking

757
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:50,570
Speaker 1: a silly joke or smiling.

758
00:44:52,090 --> 00:44:57,730
Speaker 9: My main memory of my dad was being afraid of him. Remember,

759
00:44:57,770 --> 00:45:01,290
Speaker 9: one of my early memories is that I'd somehow succeeded

760
00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:05,450
Speaker 9: in getting a bruised bone on my shin, and I

761
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:09,090
Speaker 9: was like three years old, and my mother was sufficient

762
00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:12,050
Speaker 9: concerned that she took me to the doctor and had

763
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:14,530
Speaker 9: an X rayed, and it was, oh, how in the

764
00:45:14,570 --> 00:45:17,490
Speaker 9: world did little teddy that was me then get a

765
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:21,210
Speaker 9: bruise on his bone? And I think what it is

766
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:25,009
Speaker 9: is that I think I got kicked by a guy

767
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:27,650
Speaker 9: wearing size twelve wingtips.

768
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:31,810
Speaker 1: Scott's never heard this story before, and it seems almost

769
00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:33,130
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to believe it.

770
00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:37,489
Speaker 8: Were there good parts about your relationship with him, if

771
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:40,090
Speaker 8: you had to name, if.

772
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:48,050
Speaker 9: I had to name, hmmm, I don't know. He was

773
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:49,530
Speaker 9: just kind of scary all the time.

774
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:53,970
Speaker 1: Wynn explains that his relationship with his father wasn't the

775
00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:55,969
Speaker 1: same as Bill's relationship with their father.

776
00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:59,050
Speaker 9: I think I felt criticized mostly for not being as

777
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,810
Speaker 9: good as my brother. He always did well in school,

778
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:06,810
Speaker 9: and I wasn't always so wondrous, and I always saw

779
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:09,850
Speaker 9: myself as a little more plump and a little less at.

780
00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:15,130
Speaker 1: The Bill was always the louder voice in the room.

781
00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:18,370
Speaker 1: So that Christmas, when Bill lectured Scott about the significance

782
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:21,370
Speaker 1: of the luger, Scott had assumed Bill was speaking for

783
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:24,330
Speaker 1: his dad too, But he wasn't.

784
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:26,970
Speaker 8: I saw it as this treasured possession that linked to

785
00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:31,210
Speaker 8: you to the good parts of Grandpa. But your relationship

786
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:34,730
Speaker 8: with him is complicated and different than I even knew.

787
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:38,610
Speaker 1: Scott was right in believing that the gun was a

788
00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:41,210
Speaker 1: reminder of Win's father, and that it carried a lot

789
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:44,770
Speaker 1: of meaning for Win. He just misunderstood the nature of

790
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:56,770
Speaker 1: that meaning. To know that Scott had been thinking about

791
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:59,690
Speaker 1: it all these years, even maybe past year, having thought

792
00:46:59,770 --> 00:47:02,770
Speaker 1: about it, how does that make you feel?

793
00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:08,370
Speaker 9: It makes me feel loved that he would make it

794
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:10,330
Speaker 9: a part of his life to try to track it down.

795
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:15,330
Speaker 9: It feels like maybe I was at least partially successful

796
00:47:15,330 --> 00:47:18,810
Speaker 9: in not being like my dad. Yeah, that I was

797
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:20,650
Speaker 9: somebody he could run over to and climb up in

798
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:23,170
Speaker 9: the lap of when he was little and stick his

799
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:25,530
Speaker 9: fingers up my nose. He used to like to do that.

800
00:47:27,210 --> 00:47:29,490
Speaker 9: I could never stick my fingers up my dad's nose.

801
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:37,730
Speaker 1: Wynn looks over at his son.

802
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:44,050
Speaker 9: Don't let it bother you anymore. The greatest prize that

803
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:46,330
Speaker 9: I got out of this whole thing was the fact that,

804
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:49,130
Speaker 9: even though all this crap disappeared, I got to get

805
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:53,130
Speaker 9: my boy back. The funeral plot that I had bought

806
00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:56,090
Speaker 9: for myself to be next to your mom. I thought

807
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:58,450
Speaker 9: I was going to have to bury my sons in it,

808
00:47:58,490 --> 00:48:03,770
Speaker 9: and I am delighted that I never had to do that.

809
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:05,090
Speaker 9: That's ever so much better.

810
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:12,970
Speaker 1: Maybe eight years ago, during Wind's visit to Scott in jail,

811
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:15,450
Speaker 1: it wasn't the missing gun that had made him cry.

812
00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:20,050
Speaker 1: It was missing his son. But now the gun tells

813
00:48:20,050 --> 00:48:20,850
Speaker 1: a different story.

814
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:24,930
Speaker 9: The gun has grown, so it's not just my dad anymore.

815
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:30,770
Speaker 9: It has a whole story to tell about my son.

816
00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:39,850
Speaker 9: And it's back returned by this guy here. Thank you

817
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:40,530
Speaker 9: for doing all that.

818
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:56,850
Speaker 1: Of course, a few weeks later, I get this text

819
00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,730
Speaker 1: from Scott the other night. It reads, I stumbled upon

820
00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:04,489
Speaker 1: a World War II documentary and for the first time

821
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:07,730
Speaker 1: in eight years, Scott didn't changed the channel.

822
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:52,330
Speaker 6: Now that the fern ures raft turned into its goodwill home,

823
00:49:55,850 --> 00:50:00,210
Speaker 6: Now that the last month's raft is stealing with the

824
00:50:00,450 --> 00:50:02,489
Speaker 6: damaged pos.

825
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:04,210
Speaker 1: Take this moment to dissolve.

826
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:09,050
Speaker 2: If we mess him, if we talk.

827
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:25,170
Speaker 1: The things that accident. Hey Scott, Scott, I'm good.

828
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:25,730
Speaker 10: How are you?

829
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:27,130
Speaker 9: Yes?

830
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:32,210
Speaker 1: Good and good. This is kind of suiting that we're

831
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,730
Speaker 1: out of sync. This is exactly what happened during our

832
00:50:35,770 --> 00:50:41,489
Speaker 1: first interview. Do you remember I remember that is suiting. Yeah,

833
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:43,650
Speaker 1: I just wanted to catch up with you and see

834
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:44,610
Speaker 1: what's changed.

835
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:48,370
Speaker 11: I mean, the biggest changes is my my dad passing away.

836
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:50,930
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to hear this.

837
00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:51,970
Speaker 7: Thank you.

838
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:57,010
Speaker 11: I mean, it's it was truly in his style of

839
00:50:57,050 --> 00:51:00,090
Speaker 11: how he let us know that he had lever cancer

840
00:51:00,850 --> 00:51:07,610
Speaker 11: was a group text message and the words were, I

841
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:11,450
Speaker 11: have terminal cancer and there's nothing that they say it

842
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:15,570
Speaker 11: can do. Very sad news. Oh no, kind of a thing.

843
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:19,370
Speaker 11: And that was in alignment with his wanting to avoid

844
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:20,410
Speaker 11: talking over the phone.

845
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:24,210
Speaker 1: Yeah. He wouldn't even talk with the pizza delivery guy.

846
00:51:24,610 --> 00:51:24,970
Speaker 11: Yeah.

847
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:28,130
Speaker 12: And and so then it was, yeah, it was.

848
00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:30,730
Speaker 11: It was about a year, a little little over a

849
00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:33,890
Speaker 11: year from what he sent out that mass text that

850
00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:34,569
Speaker 11: he passed away.

851
00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:41,650
Speaker 1: Do you think that returning the luger changed your relationship

852
00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:43,370
Speaker 1: with your dad in his last years.

853
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:49,330
Speaker 11: Our relationship opened up on a much deeper level after this,

854
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:53,210
Speaker 11: And I mean that's the full circle part.

855
00:51:53,050 --> 00:51:56,090
Speaker 12: Of it is you go back to, you know, those

856
00:51:56,170 --> 00:52:00,210
Speaker 12: early days, my dad changing the locks on his house.

857
00:52:01,250 --> 00:52:06,610
Speaker 12: So you go from that fear of me to cut

858
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:10,050
Speaker 12: to fifteen years later, I was the only person with

859
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:12,450
Speaker 12: a key to his house. I was the one that

860
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:17,330
Speaker 12: was at his bedside all throughout him declining through this disease,

861
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:20,090
Speaker 12: and then I was the executor of his estate, Like

862
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:22,930
Speaker 12: I'm the one combing through and looking through all of

863
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:26,330
Speaker 12: these things to figure out what sentimental belongings to hold

864
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:28,290
Speaker 12: on to and what to let go of.

865
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:30,850
Speaker 1: Where is the gun now?

866
00:52:32,090 --> 00:52:35,410
Speaker 11: After my dad was diagnosed, he had offered the gun

867
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:38,330
Speaker 11: to me, Oh, and he said, I would like you

868
00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:41,370
Speaker 11: to have this just because of all of the work

869
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:46,970
Speaker 11: and everything you did to get it back, But it

870
00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:49,490
Speaker 11: meant so much more to my uncle, you know.

871
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:54,049
Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's actually uncle Bill who has the gun now.

872
00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,770
Speaker 1: Scott, thank you so much for talking.

873
00:52:58,090 --> 00:52:58,490
Speaker 11: Yeah.

874
00:52:58,530 --> 00:53:13,810
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Thanks to everyone who helped put this episode together.

875
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:17,610
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with another Encore presentation and

876
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:20,090
Speaker 1: along with it, another update from our guest