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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. Steven Tyler called me after we

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Speaker 1: I'm twenty three years old. I could care less.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode five ninety of The Bobbycast. Chris Robinson,

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Speaker 2: the lead singer of the Black Crows. Yeah, she talks

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Speaker 2: to angels. Damn. I think if you heard the last episode,

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Speaker 2: they should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: But Chris and his brother started the Black Crows in

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Speaker 2: Atlanta back when they were teenagers. They were called Mister

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Speaker 2: Crow's Garden, which we talked about. They changed their name.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear all this. They have a brand new album

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Speaker 2: out called A Pound of Feathers. It's out now. They're

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Speaker 2: also back on the road for their Southern Hospitality Tour

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Speaker 2: with Whiskey Myers that kicks off May seventeenth in Austin.

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Speaker 2: Get tickets at the Black Crows dot com. So here

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Speaker 2: he is the lead singer.

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Speaker 1: He's more a lot of Jwely too.

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Speaker 2: Just so you can visualize it. It's this is up

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Speaker 2: on Netflix too. But here we go. Chris Robinson, the

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Speaker 2: lead singer of the Black Crows. Chris, good to see you,

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Speaker 2: you too, we've met before. You've been in Nashville. Massive

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Speaker 2: fan that, I want to say it again, been to Nashville.

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Speaker 1: My mom's an My eighty seven year old mom's a

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Speaker 2: Really well, I'll say again, I'm a massive fan of yours.

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure you hear that. I'm

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Speaker 2: massive fan. Don't take it like I'm a sagittarian.

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Speaker 1: I take that. I always want to hear that.

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Speaker 2: So you a big astrology guy.

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Speaker 1: No, a typical sagittarian. I'm only interested in sagittarius. I

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Speaker 1: think it does dictate some archetype, you know, sort of

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Speaker 2: Do you do like idiogram? Do you do all any

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Speaker 2: of that? All of that just just a star wife.

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Speaker 1: As a witch. So I let her deal with everything

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Speaker 1: like a literal one pretty close. There's a witchiness to

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Speaker 2: And she's a pisce and so so can you convince

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Speaker 2: me astrology is real? Is there anything you can say?

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Speaker 2: Because I am an I'm not a believer.

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Speaker 1: It's like the occult everything is real that you put

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Speaker 2: Okay, now that I can assign myself, you.

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Speaker 2: And that could be anything and any energy given. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: I believe in astrology. Then it took almost no effort.

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Speaker 2: I don't forget. Growing up, was listening to Shake Your

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Speaker 2: Money Maker, which you love the record, by the way,

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Speaker 2: when he was younger, listened to every song on it,

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Speaker 1: So as a matter of fact, no offense to your grandma.

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Speaker 1: My dad? My dad had a top forty. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: kids they should do this. The first Black Crows tour

432
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: for Shak Your money Maker was three hundred and fifty

433
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: shows in eighteen months. Wow. So that's a really weird thing.

434
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: And you know we were young, you know, I had

435
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: just turned twenty two, twenty three, Rich was turning twenty

436
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: twenty one.

437
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Speaker 2: Do you forget where you are whenever you're doing You

438
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: know that many shows I wasn't.

439
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: I never was the kind of person to have to

440
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: look at the setlist and go all right, you know

441
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Birmingham Element. You know, for some reason I knew where

442
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: I was, even later in the super drug out stuff.

443
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: I always have known where I am.

444
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Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

445
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Speaker 1: Can I ask a question about drugs?

447
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I I've never i'd drink alcohol. I've never

448
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: done anything, but I would love to.

449
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: Your grandmother would be so upset if you did.

450
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: I know she would. I would love to. But I've

451
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: come from a long line of like hyper super addiction

452
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: where everybody's died.

453
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Right.

454
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: I think I'd be great at it, But I think

455
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: i'd want to win too. I think i'd want to

456
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: be the best at it.

457
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's weird, you know what I mean?

458
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: Because I was, I was afraid of them. I mean

459
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I started drinking. I mean I had my first hangover,

460
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: like adult hangover, at fifteen, But that was kind of

461
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: part for the course. I think as a young guy

462
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and then and then then we're musicians, and

463
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: now we're with crazy people all the time, and you know,

464
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: you can't how do we get this even more crazy?

465
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: So many of my heroes are crazy people.

466
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Speaker 2: Did you feel like it open you up made you

467
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: more creative?

468
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: No? I don't, but I I and I still don't.

469
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: I still you know, my only real vice for the

470
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: last forty years is cannabis. But I think cannabis adds

471
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: to my Some people can get really stoned and they

472
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: fall asleep or they can't concentrate. My chemistry is completely different.

473
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when I want to concentrate,

474
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I will get more of stoned. And I don't know

475
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: if this is because I'm dyslexic or whatever. But I've

476
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: written songs, most of the songs I've ever written. I'm

477
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: completely sober. Maybe stone but not dry. I couldn't. I

478
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: never did hard drugs, and you know, like to do

479
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: a gig.

480
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm really curious about hallucinogenics because I think I could.

481
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: That would open me up. And you and I read

482
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: stories about certain people that would take them at certain

483
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: times or to remove like symptoms of PTSD. I think

484
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: there are a lot.

485
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Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting part of it, you know

486
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that you know, I'm one

487
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: of these old sort of heads that I don't know.

488
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: A mind blown is a mind shown is what they

489
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: used to say in the Acid Revolution.

490
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: I just don't want to get attacked by a ten

491
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: foot starfish, Like I'm tripping out.

492
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: What if the ten foot starfish is your best friend

493
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: and you can cuddle up with it? Patrick Star, You're right,

494
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

495
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm fine, Bob, I get it.

496
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something if any trepidation about it,

497
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I think dictates already where you are. You know, are

498
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: you kidding? Man? At one time in my life, when

499
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: you're a kid, you're like, Heroin's the scariest thing in

500
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: the world. Well fast forward a decade and a half,

501
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: and like, oh wow, you know, my kids are sixteen

502
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and twenty two. They know that I've done these things,

503
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and I did these things in the nineties. But I

504
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: also I've also in the same way that I knew

505
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: where I was, I also knew in a sense where

506
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: without sounding funny, I knew where the line was drawn.

507
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: That's that's not something everyone has no I read a

508
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: book called I've had moments.

509
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: By the way, Don't get me wrong, I'm not being

510
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: that cool. I know that I've I've had moments that

511
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: scared people around me. I've known that I've had moments

512
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, I'm pushing this. In the end

513
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: of the nineties, i wake up or on Columbia Records,

514
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: I've I'm so miserable and I'm so sad, I'm so

515
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: lonely that our that this is where our band is,

516
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: that this is what's happening. There may have been sometimes

517
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: where I maybe would have really if what would have

518
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: happened if I had didn't wake up, we would have

519
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, our catalog would have been worth more. Maybe.

520
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to sound bleak, and I'm not

521
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: romanticizing it, but even then, And it's funny because I think,

522
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, in my lyrics there's always a light at

523
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. And I've lost dear, dear friends,

524
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: beautiful tortured souls. Are you kidding? Man? Like I've been telling,

525
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, talking about this new record, Todd Schneider passing away.

526
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: My I mean, I we had such a I had

527
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: such a unique and amazing friendship with him. Todd came

528
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: to the studio. We were only in the studio eight

529
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: days or whatever. But Todd coming down to the studio

530
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you cool if I hang? I'm like,

531
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm cool if you do whatever. It makes this last

532
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: album so poignant to me that those are the last

533
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: few days I got to spend with him. But let's

534
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: be honest. He might have passed away from other stuff,

535
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think i'd ever hid the fact that

536
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: he was a drug person. And ultimately, I think a

537
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: lot of the things that happen, as tragic and horrible

538
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: as they are are, are add up to drugs. Now,

539
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm a drug person who doesn't live that life anymore.

540
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: So I will never judge anyone for that.

541
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm a drug person that's never done drugs. Yeah,

542
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean, because I judge nobody for it at all.

543
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm just so curious about it. Yeah, yeah, I would

544
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: love to do them, are you?

545
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: But maybe you know my brother's never done drugs, but

546
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: rich also is a level of control that he needs

547
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: that I have never really found. I've never really found

548
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: it to be again, it's different. I'm fifty nine years old.

549
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: I have responsibilities. I have a lovely I have beautiful,

550
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: two beautiful kids. My their stepmom, my wife is everything.

551
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We still you know, I

552
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: still get a hangover every once in a while. Whatever.

553
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in sobriety and the way it looks,

554
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. I'm happy for you not you know

555
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, You've never dabbled. But I also think

556
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: doing drugs and alcohol isn't an excuse for your behavior.

557
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: And I take responsibility for everything I've ever done, and

558
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I can live with that.

559
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: Did you have a point where you had to reconcile

560
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: with yourself?

561
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: No, because I don't have that same There's not a

562
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: moral issue there to me. Now, if I had done

563
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: something horrendous, i'd been inebriated and killed someone in a

564
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: car crash, well, I mean that's a whole another level

565
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of But when I was in my height of my

566
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: decadent behavior, I didn't have a driver's license for a decade,

567
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: and luckily for me, in success, I had a kind

568
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: of life where I always had somebody with me to

569
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: drive the car or you know, to go get more drugs.

570
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: What was it like to be famous in the nineties

571
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: whenever people they had to find the videos because it

572
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: was you know, MTD was massive.

573
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: It was rock and roll fame. It wasn't celebrity fame.

574
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: What's okay, Then we define the difference in rock and

575
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: roll fame and celebrity fame.

576
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so it is a little bit different because

577
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: of MTV. Right, So MTV's driving the visual part of

578
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: your success. It's not like you were just famous for

579
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: making records and people saw you in a magazine or

580
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: they saw you in concert, or they would know you

581
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that way. So you're you know, I was I was

582
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: telling somebody I remember, and you know, we have the

583
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: number one album in the country. They're playing Remedy eight

584
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: times a day. They've been playing we sold six million

585
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: albums on Shaking money Maker. I go see Jane's addiction

586
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: at Madison Square Guard and I want to wait till

587
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: the lights go down. But the people I'm like, let's

588
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: go to our seats, and I'm like, I don't want

589
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: to go to the seats, and then they I go

590
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and like, you suck, Black will suck, you know, Like,

591
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: so there's lots of people who you don't like your

592
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: band who now see you on TV. With the bands

593
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: they do like you know what I mean?

594
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Was that a game changer when MTV started showing your video?

595
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: Of course, for anybody, no one was famous rock and roll,

596
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: no one was successful without being on MTV at that time.

597
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: It just didn't happen. I mean, it also worked hand

598
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: in hand with radio, when rock radio drove the sales,

599
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: when everyone listened to the local rock station, depending on

600
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: you had more than one station, depending on what market

601
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: you're in. To have big hit records on the radio

602
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: and to be on MTV all the time, that's why

603
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: you had People's That's why we sold millions of records.

604
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: What about Rolling Stone?

605
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm at the very end of rolling Stone meaning something,

606
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, But then rolling Stone just turns into People

607
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: magazine or celebrity shit like anything else. Like how are

608
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: you talking about a band that is serious or a

609
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: band whose music is of this kind of quality? But

610
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: then you have in sync in there or some boy

611
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: band shit, corporate put together pop stuff. It's not the same. Yeah,

612
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: everyone's singing and dancing, but it's you know what I mean,

613
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: We're out there on our own, We're living by our

614
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: creative impetus, you know what I mean? It's a visceral experience.

615
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: We have to be outsider people, not to be cute

616
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: and do good in the audition?

617
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Was it weird when they would portray it was like

618
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: the good looking cute because because you.

619
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Guy would if you can find someone portraying so.

620
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: You got so famous, they would just be like, these

621
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: are the hot guys now.

622
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: Of No, there was a moment where we were like, oh,

623
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: they're like the rock and roll boy band. I'm like

624
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: what in a million years? You know what I mean?

625
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Like and hey, those guys just wanted to be in showbiz.

626
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: But see the difference between rock and roll and pop music,

627
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: and you see it today. You see a lot of

628
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: people run their mouths like, well you don't do you

629
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: do what you're told? Sunny jib. And we were trying

630
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: and that was the difference. We were celebrated to be

631
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: horrible and I mean I don't mean horrible to people

632
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: or to whatever. I mean, we just didn't give a fuck. Really,

633
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell us. I mean the record company management

634
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: they were always trying to tell us what to do,

635
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: and we were like, I didn't how did I get here?

636
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: If I did what I was told, then I would

637
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: be in a boy band. Then I'd be a pop star.

638
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Then it would be a big act, which is cool

639
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: too because that's showbiz, right, But we were just naive

640
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: and or ignorant enough to believe that you could do

641
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: it some other way. I mean, you know, I'm from

642
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta in the late eighties in our local music scene,

643
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: which was looking back on it now, it was just

644
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: like the days of Camelot, you know what I mean,

645
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Like we had nothing, No one cared but all the bands.

646
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: And I try to explain to like younger people like

647
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: you guys, like it was every day was bands and

648
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: gigs and your friends and the national touring acts that

649
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: would come and would be a big event. But you know, people,

650
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: you know I'm seeing you go see bands now that

651
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: are I don't know, black Flag. Let's take Black Flag.

652
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: They I see them at an all ages show at

653
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: the six eighty eight. There's three hundred people there, you

654
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's nothing, it's the club

655
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: is the size of this And so when people are

656
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: like smashing and slam dancing, it was still called slam

657
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: dancing at the time. It wasn't at a giant place

658
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: with Rachel gets the machine or Primus up there. It

659
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: was a little clandestine thing that everyone knew well that

660
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: it was going on, you know, and I the big

661
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: shows would be at center stage. You know. I saw

662
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: pil at center stage with Peter Murphy and it's that

663
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: show was seven hundred people and to us that was

664
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: like an arena, you know. So it's just funny how

665
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: the scale of things. You know, that you would sign

666
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: with a major label, cause it I mean everyone at

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: the bar where all the bands like, I'll never sell,

668
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I'll never But we all wanted a record deal, you know,

669
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: so bad because we wanted to We wanted our records

670
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: to be out there.

671
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what a record deal does, right. Distribution like

672
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: gets the records that was the to radio into stores

673
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: and that's the that was the game.

674
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: You did have them, you know, when you have nothing,

675
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: they have, you know. Nineteen ninety we get the call

676
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: to go open for aerosmiths, who are huge. Pump is

677
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the world. They're back. They're bigger

678
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: than the permanent vacation. They're up up. Uh, we're still

679
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: toiling away playing we now we get back from Europe.

680
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: We have our first tour bus. We have a couple

681
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: new guitars, we have a crew. We made five hundred

682
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: dollars a night, even in nineteen ninety. That wasn't a

683
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: lot of money when you're renting a tour bus and

684
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: you have all this accroutrement. You know.

685
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: So.

686
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: But by the way, luckily for us, you're on a

687
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: major label who could put money behind you that you

688
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: ended up owing. Of course, I mean we signed one

689
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: of the worst record deals of all the worst record deals.

690
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: You hear that story a lot. But what were we

691
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: going to do not sign it?

692
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: So it was all in advance. You had to pay

693
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: everything back.

694
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're talking about the videos. Yeah, Jesus,

695
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: they were so expensive. I mean that was the one

696
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: thing about or the one thing that I do appreciate

697
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: about today is seemingly your financial reality is so much

698
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: more more in your control.

699
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: It's a great point because look, this show's on Netflix.

700
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: We've got a couple thousand bucks a camera, gre and

701
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: we can shoot fifty episodes. Yeah yeah, and it can

702
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: be high as high having to go to a TV

703
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: studios on a music video or more than that.

704
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: And I've never been savvy, you know, my life and

705
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: my interest in my passions are all art and as

706
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, that's been difficult for people because

707
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's this idea too that you're a rock star,

708
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: so you should know about first off, not only is

709
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: it am I incapable? It's just the most boring thing

710
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, Luckily, I'm older now and

711
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: we have a team, and I'm surrounded by people who

712
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: are nurturing and can help. But you know, if you

713
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: think we were talking about nineteen ninety one ninety two,

714
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. Steven Tyler called me after we

715
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: sold six million albums. He's like, man, are you gonna

716
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: put your money away? I'm like, put my money away?

717
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm twenty three years old. I could care less what

718
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: am I supposed to put this away for the rest

719
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: of my life? I mean, I appreciate him calling, but

720
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: also who would have had time. I mean other people,

721
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: clever people, wealthier people who would have had time to

722
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: deal with that. I was dealing with the next album,

723
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: and you know, being in this band and what I

724
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: do for the Black Crows and what I've done no

725
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: matter what other people want to say, is I'm the

726
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: guy who had the idea to be in a band

727
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yes, Rich and I write the songs. Yes,

728
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: it's impossible to be in a band without the material

729
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: you play. And that's me and Rich. And of course

730
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Rich's influence and input is equal to mine. But how

731
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: we look what, you know, naming the albums, designing stages,

732
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: designing album covers, artwork, t shirts. I remember, you know,

733
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: I tell the story we put on. We went to

734
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: England for the first time, and we maybe still we

735
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: looked a little different, but I still had jeans tucked

736
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: into a cowboy boot, like guns and roses. But I

737
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: went to a magical place that doesn't exist anymore called

738
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: Kensington Market and I walked down there and there's a

739
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: maroon pair of velvet crush velvet bell bottoms. The kay

740
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Keith Richards had a night on Excel and Main Street

741
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: Era and I was like, I want those. And then

742
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: I had this Indian sort of shirt. And I remember

743
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: we came back and like we did this festival and

744
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: people were laughing like the other bands, like a band

745
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: like Warrant, who looked like the Osmonds, you know, I

746
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: mean crazy, you know, they had like matching leathers. I

747
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: was like, okay, all right, you guys are like Evil

748
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: Knievel wasn't cool. You know, no offense to them. I'm

749
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: sure they're cool people, and bless them. I'm not bagging

750
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: on warrant. I mean, but when y'all are laughing at

751
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: me because I look like this, and then you know,

752
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: six months later, Vogue Magazine is like, that's how cool

753
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: people look now, you know. I mean, us and Lenny

754
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: Kravitz really were the first ones to start looking like

755
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: bringing back a seventies aesthetic, you know what I mean. So,

756
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: but you have to have it's about not only is

757
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: it about writing, but it's about ideas and having an

758
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: imagination and being able to put it. It's about an

759
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: esthetic really, and we didn't in all those years. We

760
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: never had a stylist. We never had someone come to

761
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: the video shoot and say, well, you would look cool,

762
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: and that we would have laughed at them because that's

763
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: what we wanted it to be. That we wanted it

764
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: to be real. You know. I remember one time when

765
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: we were one of the first rock bands and I

766
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: see be speaking of real. I see Be real a

767
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: couple of years ago from Cyprus Hill, and he's like,

768
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: were you we were in hip hop and the Black Crows,

769
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and we were the like legalized weed people. And I

770
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: remember one time this guy, this guy wrote an article.

771
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, these guys get stone and they

772
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: think that they're the first ones to do it. And

773
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't think we're the first people

774
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: to get stoned. I just don't know why we can't,

775
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I thought that was my

776
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: whole point always. You know, even by the time Shaker

777
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: money Maker comes out, I mean, Southern Harmony, people are

778
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: like they're retro rock. I mean, I get it. Maybe

779
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: our look, but Remedy doesn't sound like the Rolling Stones.

780
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes Salvation most assuredly doesn't sound like the Faces. I mean,

781
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I think you could look at us because our influences

782
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: are roots based and the rock music that we liked,

783
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: whether it was The Stones, the Faces or the Band

784
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: or Little Feed or whatever. I won't even get into

785
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: some of the other like kind of influences. Those are

786
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: records that are all inspired by the origins of rock

787
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: and roll and the blues music, the country music in

788
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: our case, a lot of funk music and gospel R

789
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: and B music, which comes from the blues. I mean,

790
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: somehow in there there's jazz music, but then somehow in

791
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: there there's punk, and somehow they're in there there's indie rock, right,

792
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So people always you know,

793
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: one of the reasons Jimmy Page wants to play with

794
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: the Black Cruses he heard us play. But the other

795
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: reason is he liked that we had a lot of

796
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: the same influences, even though he's a generation removed, you know,

797
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: And that's been the It was funny because I wish

798
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: we would have been hanging out with Guns n' Roses,

799
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But we were like hanging

800
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: out with Joe Cocker, you know, because or whatever. You know.

801
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: The first rock stars I've eate are like Ian Hunter

802
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: from Mott the Hoopel came to the Black Crow show

803
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: in our first show in New York and there he is,

804
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: He's standing there, and I love Mott the hoopl He's

805
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: one of the great rock lyricists of all time, you know,

806
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean, once Bitten twice shy, incredible, incredible lyrics. And

807
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: he was like, I just wanted to meet you guys.

808
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, you know, how cool? But I don't

809
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: think if we sounded if we hadn't been true to

810
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: what we were and what influenced us and how that

811
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: inspired us. I don't know if I'm meeting him in

812
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: the same way. You know. I tell this story the

813
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Great Ronnie Lane from The Faces is in his wheelchair

814
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: with MS on his last days and there's We're opening

815
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: for a band from Los Angeles called Junkyard. This is

816
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: our very first tour and we're in Austin, Texas and

817
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: we're not even in a dressing room. They got the

818
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: dressing room. We're in the room with the ice cooler

819
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: and so like, while we're getting dressed, the bar bags

820
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: are filling the ice for the bar and there's a

821
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: knock on the door and there's like dipshit. Security goes, hey,

822
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: there's some guy in of wheelchair uder named Ronnie Lane

823
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: who wants to say hello, and like, the great Ronnie

824
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: Lane is here. And he came in with his girl

825
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: that was you know, and he was like, I just

826
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: wanted to say hello. You guys have said so many

827
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: nice things about my music, and I'll remember it my

828
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: whole life. I mean, those are the things to me

829
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: that are the real special things, you know what I mean?

830
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: That happened and they still happen. They happen all the time.

831
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

832
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

833
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: The new record A Pound of Feathers. You and your

834
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: brother wrote those songs. How are you writing songs differently now?

835
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: Because it's got to be different.

836
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: Right, Not really, not, to be honest, that's the one thing.

837
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little bit different because.

838
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: A little more deliberate with the writing.

839
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: No, there's nothing deliberate about what we do. It's all

840
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: spontaneous at all. And especially this record, I think Happiness

841
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: Bastard's super proud of it. I love it. I was so.

842
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: I think the life in it is you can feel it.

843
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: But you know, when we ended up at Jay's Joyce's

844
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: in Nashville for that record, we had those songs worked out,

845
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, a song like Rats and Clowns. We kind

846
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: of had for a few months and we knew like

847
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: this is the song, and this is the lyric, and

848
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: this is the chorus, and blah blah blah. There were

849
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: maybe some songs that weren't complete. Wanting and Waiting as

850
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: an example, I didn't have that chorus, you know, I

851
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: mean we had to do the beat, but the main

852
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: bit that I wrote the song in Nashville, this record.

853
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: We uh, you know, we knew we're you know, we

854
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: knew we were getting geared up to go to the

855
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: make a record. But I had told Rich, and Rich

856
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: was here in La. He just moved to the East coast.

857
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: I said, I want, I don't I don't want to

858
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: have anything finished. I'm not going to do any lyrics

859
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: until we get to Nashville, which is very different. I mean,

860
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: I have shit tons of lyrics.

861
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: I write all the time.

862
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: I have notebooks, I have notebooks for days. I have

863
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: little pieces of a postcard that I wrote something, or

864
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: a match thing or whatever. But we were here in

865
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: the valley where we rehearse, and U our guys said,

866
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: I said, set up a drum kit, a bass amp

867
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: and a guitar, and like, let's just get out there.

868
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: So Rich had some ideas, some rough things, so we

869
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, I sit down at the drums and start

870
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: to get a little vibes together and where I want

871
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: the changes to go. And Rich is playing guitar and

872
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: then play some bass. And one of the really cool

873
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: things that really set this whole thing in motion was

874
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I was at a friend's birthday party, in the canyon

875
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: and Josh Freeze, the great famous Josh Freeze, one of

876
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: the best drummers of all time, was at the party

877
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: and we're friends, and he was like, what are you doing?

878
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: I said, Rich and Ira, he goes, can I come out?

879
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: And jam I was like, but you don't have to

880
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: get on a private jet to go play a stadium

881
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: in South America with whatever giant ban you're in. He's

882
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: like that, I'm home for a couple of weeks. I said,

883
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: all right, man, if you want to. So Josh comes out.

884
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: He's not on the album and he's there. None of

885
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: the stuff that we did was we used, but it

886
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: was this spark of like, oh I could get up

887
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: off the kit a little bit, kind of told him

888
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: like oh I like it like that, like this, like

889
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: goa whatever. But you don't tell Josh Freeze what to do.

890
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: So Rich is playing and Josh's and I went home

891
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: and our mutual friend came over. I made dinner for

892
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: us and I said, he goes play me that he goes.

893
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: Josh said it was super fun. I said, I don't know,

894
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: listen to this and it was just funky and raw

895
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: and cool, you know, And he goes that should be

896
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: the record shit like that, and I said, man, well,

897
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: they're not going to let us get away with that.

898
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: But but it's but I felt the exact same thing.

899
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: So when we got to Nashville, I you know, I

900
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: was like Jay. I mean, I told Jay before we

901
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: got there, I said, Yo, we're coming in with nothing,

902
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: and I want to keep it that way. And uh

903
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: and Jay. Jay's so cool and we have a really

904
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: good rapport with him. And to be honest, I think

905
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Jay likes working with us too, because we're so not together,

906
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're still wild. We're feral

907
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: in the studio and I don't even remember what we

908
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: started with first. It was maybe profane prophecy or it's

909
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: like that or something. But Cully, our drummer, lives in Nashville.

910
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: So we had Cully so I could sit down at

911
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: the kit show him like kind of where I'm feeling it.

912
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: And then that was it. And then Rich, you know,

913
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Rich plays all the guitars and bass. We have Cully, Eric,

914
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: our keyboard player, came in at the last couple of days,

915
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: and Leslie and Mackenzie, our backup singers, sing on one

916
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: day and it was eight days and we wrote all

917
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: these songs and it was just heaven, you know what

918
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean. It's one of the moments I've been lucky

919
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: enough to you know, we love making records. It's one

920
00:52:52,960 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: of the most satisfying things about our careers. I love

921
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: records in general. I've been collecting records I was twelve

922
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: years old. I mean, I'm obsessed with records. It's a problem,

923
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I moved out of my parents'

924
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: house in nineteen eighty seven, and all I had wear

925
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: a couple of T shirts and boxes and boxes of

926
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: books and records, and that's pretty much my life still.

927
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: But when we got in there, it was just great,

928
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I And it's funny.

929
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: It gets back to Todd Schneider's there and he's like, what,

930
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this. You and Rich don't

931
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: even say anything, And you just wrote three songs? What

932
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: the fuck are that? And we have an esp We

933
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: have a telepathic, weird thing. It also has to do

934
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: with being brothers. It also has to do with writing

935
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: many songs. But even when we were teenagers, still at

936
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: mom and dads and we start writing our first songs,

937
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: it's the same. We just go with where the Muse

938
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: takes us and how it feels. And I believe in

939
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: the Muse. I believe in the Muse, and it's full

940
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: Greek myth glory. And one thing that has never changed

941
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: is I've never And this gets back to the business

942
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: sort of part of it. If I gave myself to

943
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: something like the business or worrying about the money. I

944
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: worry about money like anyone else, because I'm almost sixty

945
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: years old, and I have responsibilities, and I love French

946
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: food and I love I like my habitashery as well,

947
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: but that if you spent your time with that, then

948
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: the Muse is going to abandon me. And I really, honestly,

949
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, but I don't ever

950
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: and it's problem, you know, it's a problem always being

951
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: half in a dream. And I understand that. And I'm

952
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: lucky to I'm lucky to have the wife that I have,

953
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, who will check me and when it's time

954
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: to put my feet on the ground and I need

955
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: to be here for her or for us for whatever,

956
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm there to deal. But I'm also lucky that she

957
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: understands that that's where all the fruit is, you know

958
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's truly the garden that we've been

959
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: cultivating for over forty years. And if I removed myself

960
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: from it, I don't think it would be there for

961
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: me the way we're talking about it, the way Rich

962
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: and I can sit down in a studio in a

963
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: little more than eight nine days and come up with

964
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: this kind of music that personally, I feel is so

965
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: vibrant and alive, music that's really representative of not only

966
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: the celebration of life and how I feel, but it

967
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: is also delves in you know, I'm not political person,

968
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: but I'm upset and it hurts right now for me

969
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: to be in this country. It hurts. And I don't

970
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: care about politics. I know morally what's right and wrong,

971
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: and what I see is wrong and it just breaks

972
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: my heart. Racism has always broken my heart. Seeing maligned people,

973
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: it's it's heartbreaking. And we and some of you know,

974
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: and some of us feel that we could do better,

975
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, And and I get it. I get that

976
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: everyone has an agenda, but I so this is we're

977
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: making this record in May, this is before like these

978
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. But I think you know, also

979
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't write anything political. Ever. I'm a poet and

980
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I and I say that knowing that you know, that's

981
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: a very heavy word for me.

982
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

983
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

984
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 2: I've got three final questions. They are completely different questions.

985
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Chelsea football.

986
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: We're not. We were talking about that beforehand, though, we were.

987
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: First question, was it annoying when Black Crows, Cheryl Crow

988
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: and Counting Crows all existed at the same time?

989
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? You throw Clint Black in there, and you got

990
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: a real problem, you know what I mean. Yeah, uh,

991
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: that would have been a tour right there, Clint Black,

992
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow, the Counting Crows and Black Crows. Yeah. Yeah.

993
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: I told Clint Black that one day. I was like, man,

994
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: everyone's ripping us off, Cheryl Crow, Counting Crows. Clint Black.

995
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Our keyboard player Eddie said that one day it was

996
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: so funny. Cheryl really gets an excuse own and Crows.

997
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we live in such different worlds. At the time,

998
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of annoyed. But whatever were you before?

999
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: Counting Crows?

1000
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: Yes?

1001
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: And so how many Crows bands are there?

1002
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: Right? Like?

1003
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 4: That.

1004
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

1005
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 2: I mean there's like an old R and B group

1006
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: called Yeah not Many is my point, Like.

1007
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny.

1008
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: Would did you guys ever talk about all torn together

1009
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: as a ruse or a show?

1010
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: I think that would ultimate Crow know any of the

1011
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: Counting Crows people. I know Cheryl pretty well.

1012
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: I love Cheryl by the way she is.

1013
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: She is a sweet She's also sweetheart in her band.

1014
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Audley Freed, Robert Kerns Stroud.

1015
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: I mean, so you're a little annoy by all the crows? Okay, good?

1016
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: Second question. Yeah, it's a lot of crows at once

1017
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: at the same time.

1018
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, let let them have some

1019
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: more crows. About the velveteen crows or the mayonnaise crows?

1020
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: Now, as many crows as you can get. Which one

1021
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: of you, guys big hits fell out of the fastest

1022
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: when riding it?

1023
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: She talks to angels easily. Rich came up with that

1024
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: guitar intro. I mean he was still at mom and

1025
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Dad's house.

1026
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: How old were you guys when this happened?

1027
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: So Rich was sixteen when he wrote that riff or whatever.

1028
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Maybe seventeen and you were I was nineteen twenty, so

1029
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: that's one of the first. But you know, it's funny.

1030
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: We wrote that song and then it did it. We

1031
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't really have any way to play it. And when

1032
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: we meet George Draculias, who signs us and finds us

1033
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: and produces our first couple of records. You know, I

1034
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: don't think we had that middle section, but I remember

1035
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: the first line of this. I mean, we for the

1036
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: reality as we wrote the bones of that song in

1037
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: about twenty five minutes. Twenty minutes because I, for whatever reason,

1038
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: she never mentioned the word. She never mentions the word addiction,

1039
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: So she's hiding something and she doesn't want to talk

1040
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: about it again. I'm writing this song way, you know,

1041
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about drugs. I never I had probably been

1042
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: stoned a handful of times. I definitely knew about alcohol,

1043
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 1: but I never I wasn't involved in anything like that.

1044
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: The subject matter would become a lot more familiar as

1045
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: the nineties roll on. But but you know the thing

1046
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: that the correlation between then and today and how I

1047
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: write is especially this record, I was saying, the lyrics

1048
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: are darker, there's a lot of stuff and there's a

1049
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: lot of decadent stuff in there. So, as I just

1050
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: told you, I'm in the only relationship that's ever had

1051
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: any gravity to me, you know, I mean, I'm in

1052
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: the only relationship that contains real, real dynamic love and

1053
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: passion and commitment. But who wants to hear about that?

1054
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 1: You know? So if I'm going to write a song

1055
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: and what really did lots of people want to hear

1056
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: about that? But what really dictates to me the imagery

1057
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 1: and the lyric, the poetry of the song is could

1058
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: be anything. In the cases she talks to angels, Rich

1059
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: played me something that was really melancholy, you know what

1060
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean. So I could access like a sort of

1061
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: story that that was adjacent to me. I knew a

1062
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: girl in Atlanta who had a certain look, so I

1063
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: and there. I didn't know her that well. She was

1064
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: super brad goth chick, but maybe she was on heroin

1065
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: or something, which at the time would have been pretty deep.

1066
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, we were still kids,

1067
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: so I romanticized about like someone I didn't know if

1068
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, someone loses a kid, you know what I mean.

1069
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: I just started, you know, I didn't I wrote one

1070
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: draft of the lyric too. It wasn't like I worked

1071
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: on it for day, you know, it just the story

1072
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: already came out in that form.

1073
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: You held that song for a long time then, right, yeah,

1074
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: pretty yeah, for a couple of years, like you knew

1075
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: it was good then you just were waiting for the

1076
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: right time.

1077
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: It was just like, how did it fit into what

1078
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: we were at the time?

1079
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: Did it fit into what you were.

1080
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: Or was it not good? But later, you know, I

1081
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: think when we start to find ourselves, Like you know,

1082
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: you're also talking about the era of the power ballads

1083
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: of all these like fucking hair metal bands and stuff.

1084
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: So we were to me, I didn't you know, to me,

1085
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands is a ballad. To me,

1086
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: wild Horses is about, you know, the ballad. We loved

1087
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: Graham Parsons, you know, we loved the Burrito Brothers, you know,

1088
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: so we're not afraid of ballads. But I think we

1089
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: would put it more in the context of and I

1090
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: think the reason one of the reasons that song has

1091
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: lived on and has a certain I don't know mystique

1092
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: about it is because it comes from that kind of place.

1093
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: Do you still like playing that song?

1094
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. I mean, I mean, I think I

1095
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: think we're so blessed to have a song like that.

1096
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: Did you ever not like playing the song? Maybe, you know,

1097
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: because it got so big. And I think anything that

1098
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 2: you're expected to do all the time, it doesn't matter

1099
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: what it is, you'd probably.

1100
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: If you're me, you're definitely hate that, you know. But

1101
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: that was youth too. Now I I can't imagine not

1102
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: playing it, you know. And we know what the other

1103
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: thing is. It's funny because if you're in a rock band,

1104
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: if we were in a certain kind of rock band,

1105
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. You know. We get into this

1106
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: because we're songwriters and I meet people I will. I

1107
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: will go to the air you know. I will go

1108
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: to the airport, or walk down the street, or sit

1109
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: in a restaurant whatever. People share with me. There are

1110
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: stories of addiction and recovery, people share with me all

1111
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: sorts of things. But the amount of people I meet

1112
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: or tell me about the song songs that they play

1113
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: at weddings and funerals really means a lot to me

1114
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: because I'm the same. You know, there's certain songs I

1115
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: I have to put on if I'm feeling a certain way.

1116
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: You know something that is like an old friend, the

1117
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: only one who understands, you know.

1118
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: I want to ask about Whiskey Myers. So you guys

1119
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: are going you've torn with Whiskey.

1120
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: By the way before I forget the other stuff about

1121
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: writing songs is a lot like the new record. There's

1122
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: a lot of lyrics that are that are me, and

1123
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of lyrics that were me. But then

1124
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: it's like the Coen Brothers movie Barton Fink, where Barton

1125
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: Fink's talking to the guy who's like the Southern writer

1126
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: or whatever that he admires for. He goes, You've written

1127
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: so many things that touch the common man. But where

1128
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: do these come from? What's the inspiration at he says

1129
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: He's he goes, well Boughton. Sometimes I like to make

1130
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: things up.

1131
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: How do you guys end up with Whiskey Myers? You

1132
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: torn together? It's a co headline tour. It's gonna be

1133
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: an awesome show.

1134
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm super excited. You know. It's funny. My

1135
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: brother actually wrote some songs with Whiskey Myers a few

1136
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: years ago, so that's how I first hear about them,

1137
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: And I think we had played a show with them

1138
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma a couple of years ago. And you know,

1139
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: although we are most assuredly a rock band, we because

1140
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: of our roots influences and because of being a Southern

1141
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: being Southern people. A lot of country music artists have

1142
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: had the Black Crows in their lives, and Whiskey Myers

1143
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: definitely being one, being very open and vocal about it.

1144
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: And they're a country band who's kind of on the

1145
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: outside of the Nashville thing and Texas and everything. So

1146
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: I think that it it. You know, it kind of

1147
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: fills in on both sides. You know that both bands

1148
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: aren't exactly what you think they are, but both bands

1149
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: are exactly what you feel they are. Yeah, you know,

1150
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: and I think that really is going to make it

1151
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: a really special tour.

1152
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: So the tour starts in May. I hope everybody that's

1153
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: watching this goes and watches a show. Both bands are

1154
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: awesome together. That's that's pretty crazy, that'd be it.

1155
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I we're very excited, and

1156
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: I've heard they're very excited, so we're kind of just

1157
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to get out there. And yeah,

1158
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to hope things are going really well.

1159
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: I would love to have those. I mean, we haven't

1160
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: had a tour where like that since we were with

1161
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Tedesky Truckspan and that tour ended up being lifelong friendships

1162
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: and you know, really great jams at the end of

1163
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: the night, you know encore kind of collapse and stuff.

1164
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping all that stuff happens.

1165
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: Well, massive fan, I appreciate the hour. I hope the

1166
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: new record does exactly what you wanted to do. I

1167
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: always listened to the to the old stuff. It still

1168
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: feels fresh, and I feel like if it am out

1169
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: today it would still be. And also the record.

1170
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: Label with them, and you don't do drugs or don't

1171
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: you like it?

1172
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: Love it? Not like it?

1173
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: Love it?

1174
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: And the pubic hair that was that was troublesome.

1175
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your grandma wouldn't.

1176
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: No, No, I hid that one, explaining that we didn't.

1177
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: We hid that. We make sure she never saw that.

1178
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: And it's not about sex as much as it's about

1179
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: gratuitous behavior in American culture. But I don't want to

1180
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: dig into the semantic course. Let's just stick with the

1181
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: pubic hair. Chris, thank you, Thank you man

1182
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.