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Speaker 1: Saw us on the side. What's up. It's Gandhi and

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Speaker 1: I'm here with my girl Diamond.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, Hi.

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Speaker 1: Before we started this episode, you were talking to Deanna

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Speaker 1: into the microphone and you said something absolutely atrocious.

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Speaker 2: Okay, h could you please repeat it? Abracombie, say it again, ABRACOMBI.

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Speaker 1: Why you know you're saying any It's easier.

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Speaker 2: For me to say it like that. I've been saying

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Speaker 2: it like this since the first time I went to Abercombie.

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Speaker 2: Andrew is gonna die when he hears you.

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Speaker 1: Just take out that second hour.

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Speaker 2: You just take it out, Yeah, because Aberbercrombie just sounds Abercrombie, Abracrombie, Abercrombie.

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Speaker 1: I can't say.

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Speaker 2: It, you guys. We all have our words. We all

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Speaker 2: have our words.

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Speaker 1: I make mistakes constantly.

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Speaker 2: I have a few words.

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Speaker 1: It is really fun to laugh at your friends when

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Speaker 1: they fux suff up.

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Speaker 2: ABRACOMBI, so, oh my god. I don't know anyway. I

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Speaker 2: saw a pair of pants an Sasty and if she

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Speaker 2: liked them, she said yes. I said I was gonna

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Speaker 2: buy them, and then I decided I wasn't because Deanna

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Speaker 2: made me feel like shit a week or two ago

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Speaker 2: without actually trying to what happened. She talked about how

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Speaker 2: much money she had saved, and I was like, I

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Speaker 2: love that for you good and so I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could kick it up a notch.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so you're not gonna buy the pants not Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was looking up like the average four

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Speaker 1: oh one k of people in different age groups, and

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Speaker 1: it's very sad for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's also very skewed in certain ways, like I know

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Speaker 1: that its skew's probably higher than it actually should because

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Speaker 1: averages are zero zero zero zero a billion zero zero,

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Speaker 1: and then that you know, one person with one billion

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Speaker 1: is gonna make it look like all these other people.

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Speaker 1: Why am I explaining averages to you? Like you know rightly?

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Speaker 3: Work?

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Speaker 2: Well? I do get confused between mean and median, so

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Speaker 2: I really do it is what it is?

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Speaker 1: Can you do it now?

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Speaker 2: One is like in the middle and one is the average.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's the most common, the mode is

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Speaker 2: most common. I wasn't even think median in mode. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you don't care, no, okay, So Elementary left that behind,

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Speaker 2: that behind, But you were right, you were right with

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Speaker 2: what you said. Okay, okay, yeah, okay, I just always

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Speaker 2: know the.

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Speaker 1: Other one in there smell because that one's kind of

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Speaker 1: important sometimes. But googol, Wow, we went down a math path. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: What in rhyme?

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Speaker 1: I like, how it's past pie day? It's my day

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Speaker 1: three point one, four, three five, eight ninety seven nine.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep going.

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Speaker 2: No, people like you, I used to push them after class.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what pie is? Yeah? I know that's

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Speaker 2: not how three point one. I'm like a shut up loser.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you were one of the dumb kids that had

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Speaker 1: to be hard. I understand.

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Speaker 2: I'm dyslexic.

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Speaker 1: Wait, okay, so you're dyslexic. You're on HSPH.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so all of us you're allergic to everything. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I believe that you've crafted a world where you live

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Speaker 1: that make people stay away from your bubble. But I

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Speaker 1: don't believe the things and I love it. HSP.

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Speaker 2: Explain your HSP highly sensitive person?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Your disorder? And I'll remember this was like two

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Speaker 2: years ago where you realize that you're sensitive to certain

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Speaker 2: things like really loud noises or like bright lights. I'm

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Speaker 2: very sensitive to lights. This has increased as I've gotten older.

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Speaker 1: So it's like you have a constant hangover.

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Speaker 2: No, but it just I wouldn't say it's as bad

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Speaker 2: as bright. I think it's just the led situation. I

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Speaker 2: And I don't even get migraines like that, but its

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Speaker 1: A mythological migraine coming on. But yeah, you get the migraine,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know how like moms. You hear moms

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Speaker 2: like yelling, are you gonna give me a headache? You're

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Speaker 2: not really gonna get a headache. This is my equivalent.

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Speaker 1: You know, So lights, noises, so like you're like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and things heavily affect your moods, which they do,

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Speaker 2: but I don't let them. Okay, you know the whole

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Speaker 2: dyslexic thing I know for a fact that I'm dyslexic. Okay,

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Speaker 2: call me Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 1: I won't. Nicki Minaj hates Gavin news.

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Speaker 2: She would hate me too if she knew the things

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Speaker 2: that I've said about her.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's a crazy person. Anyway, here we go down

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Speaker 1: this Nicki Minaj thing again. They're gonna be like, you're

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Speaker 1: just it's because it's political. No, a nutcase in there.

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Speaker 1: So your food allergies, let's talk about that for a second.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, here we go.

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Speaker 1: I actually believe that you have more allergies than we're

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Speaker 1: station I started, I apologize sort of. I started this

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Speaker 1: narrative that Diamond makes up her allergies. You started that

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Speaker 1: you were there, yes, because I said, you don't carry

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Speaker 1: and no EpiPen? What is wrong with you? And then

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Speaker 1: people took it, they really started running with it. Right now,

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Speaker 1: everyone calls you a liar, yep. But the other day

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Speaker 1: I did notice something. Well, first I was very impressed

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Speaker 1: won the game, yep, the one with food allergies. You

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Speaker 1: didn't even need any of it. Come on, come on.

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Speaker 1: But we were at a little deli that we go

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Speaker 1: like cross contamination, which I wouldn't have thought twice about.

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Speaker 1: Have allergies? You do? And what he did was grab

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Speaker 1: Diamond was like, oh my god, I have to tell

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Speaker 1: Deanna she can never come here because she has allergies

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Speaker 2: I do. Dominoes. I almost sued Dominoes a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: This is like a decade ago. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I said it, like a few years Like it was

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Speaker 2: like two years ago. They put a mushroom on my pizza,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't know that I was allergic to mushrooms.

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Speaker 2: And one mushroom yep, okay, and I picked it off

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Speaker 2: and continued eating the slice, and I had an allergic reaction.

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Speaker 1: But if you didn't tell about.

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Speaker 2: That, and they didn't know, I'm not sure how you

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Speaker 2: could see. Well, because I didn't order mushrooms, fair, I

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Speaker 2: didn't want mushroom. Yeah, like fallen from another people, Well,

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Speaker 2: cross contamination figure out.

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Speaker 1: So what if that mushroom was just like coated and

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Speaker 1: You eat mushrooms and then no, that was the one time? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one and done, So it could have just been bad pizza.

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Speaker 2: No, why I eat the rest of the pie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you just said you got sick, super sick

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay that one so slice that had the

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Speaker 2: that was it. My throat started feeling like it was

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Speaker 2: closing up. But like, I also have anxiety, So once

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Speaker 2: I feel a little thing, it like I don't want

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Speaker 1: You got it. You're good.

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Speaker 2: You always know when I'm nervous to say a word

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Speaker 2: because I like you chuckle yeah, and it's very dramatic.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, allergic to apples very badly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I can't have smooth man. All this stuff

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Speaker 1: you're allergic to is some of my favorite stuff on

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Speaker 2: Well, stay away from me.

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Speaker 1: I will house like a whole box of mushrooms from

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Speaker 1: they're delicious and they can be prepared so many different ways.

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Speaker 1: I could go on and on. Mushrooms are my favorite.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I go through phases where I just really like something,

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Speaker 1: this was before she was a medical professional in anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no meat.

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Speaker 2: We looked it up.

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Speaker 1: It didn't look like anything bad would happen, except you know,

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Speaker 1: at some point I do eat protein.

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Speaker 2: Bring it back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a love hate relationship.

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Speaker 2: With meat, and I love it. I used to go days,

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Speaker 1: So good, so good. I watched this video this one time,

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Speaker 1: or two. It's very sad. It was very sad about

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Speaker 1: the way that they get your meat.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Don't tell me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to yuck. You're young. Everyone's got a

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Speaker 1: million different things to say about, well, you need animal proteins.

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Speaker 1: But if animals eat plants and that's how they exist,

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Speaker 1: why do we need to eat them and get.

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Speaker 2: The protein from Yeah, because it tastes good. Oh you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of good arguments for so

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking the question.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not gonna let you do this to me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna take the only thing that I have

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Speaker 2: besides coffee that I really enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about you and your coffee.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: The other day you I watched it happen. You got

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Speaker 1: a coffee from Scott and before you took a sip

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Speaker 1: here with Luata Lyon, And first of all, thank you

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Speaker 2: How are you, I'm very well.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me on the show, to appreciate

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Speaker 1: So let's start there. You are a survivor of human trafficking.

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Speaker 4: Of course, yeah, Actually I would say it with great

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Speaker 4: I mean, we realize I'm here talking about them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my two American police officers, I say my two

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Speaker 4: six months. Why because I had cross borders. I've been

439
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 4: trying to escape, to go to Kosovo to seek shelter,

440
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 4: and then I had to come back. So this thing

441
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 4: triggered them to interrogate me, which they did. By I mean,

442
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: details are quite cruel. They beating me up, they branded me,

443
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 4: they dislocated my back. I was completely unrecognizable, and then

444
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: you'd think that was enough. I only wake up after

445
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 4: my branding and I faint as they branded me with

446
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 4: a hot iron thing on my calf. The next time

447
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: I wake up, I was in a really small space

448
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 4: which I thought I was buried alive. So I was

449
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: very hysterical trying to get out, screaming, and that went

450
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 4: on for a very long time until they decided to

451
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: come in and the rape began. And then for me,

452
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 4: after that happened, and the very precious thing that I

453
00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 4: was saving it as a very naive child seventeen turning eighteen,

454
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 4: somebody violating you like that for me. Then that just

455
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: took a different toll. I gave in. I wanted to die,

456
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: I didn't want to exist, and I went through a

457
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 4: real emotional roller coaster in those six months in a

458
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 4: solitary confinement, in a very small dark room, I questioned

459
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: humanity so deeply. I got shown so much cruelty in

460
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: such a short space of time, from the gangs of

461
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: Krosover kidnapping me, grooming me, and then these guys completely

462
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: degrading my dignity and abusing me psychologically and physically. I

463
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: really did lose hope in human race. I saw a

464
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: lot of evil and in a very dark place. I

465
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: also feel like I got molded, and as I always say,

466
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: I feel like it was my biggest university that anyone

467
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 4: could have ever sent me into. I think life teaches

468
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: us some lessons that cannot be learned in schools or universities,

469
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: and it could teach us to be hateful, or if

470
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: we choose to, it could teach us to be kinder,

471
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: the opposite of what is being shown to us. And

472
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: I think for me, I had to make a choice.

473
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 4: Once I got rescued and sent to the UK as

474
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 4: a underage or a young child political asylum seeker. With

475
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 4: all the help government gaining in the UK, it wasn't enough.

476
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: It was as psychological battle that I had to deal

477
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: by myself and make that decision. Do I stay in

478
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 4: the past forever and forever, be spiteful and just have

479
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 4: this anger towards them, or do I forgive them, not

480
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 4: just because they're not because they deserve it, but because

481
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 4: I deserve to move on. I deserve to focus to

482
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 4: do good, because I always felt like maybe I caused

483
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: the whole thing. And most survivors and most people that

484
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: go through this will find themselves they feel so guilty

485
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 4: of what had happened. They are made to feel like

486
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: they the cause. You cause it, you made me do this,

487
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: and they feel these feelings. And if any listeners are

488
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: listening to this, there are from that sort of background

489
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: or any sexual abuse, the shame and the questions that

490
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: you are left in your head with what did I

491
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 4: do to cause this? Why me? And how could I

492
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 4: ever speak out? Because I'm ashamed? What will people think

493
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: of me? I got so much backlash when I started talking,

494
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: people like they thought I was do Lulu, and now

495
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: they see there is nothing do Lulu about survivors speaking out.

496
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: This is happening, and I'm only speaking out because I

497
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 4: want to have a better future for other generations to come,

498
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: not for me, but it saddens me that there is

499
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 4: so many children in the world that don't deserve to

500
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: witness anything like this.

501
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: I am so thankful that you are choosing to talk

502
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: about this, and that you have risked so much to

503
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: say what many others have probably lived through and don't

504
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: want to say, and very much in awe of the

505
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: strength it takes to do that, because every time you

506
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: tell this story, you have to live it again, so

507
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: you didn't just go through at the one time, even

508
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: talking to me, and I appreciate you talking to me.

509
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: You're having to go through this again, and I do

510
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And I think that it's very important for

511
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people to hear somebody like you, and

512
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: here's somebody who's on the other side of things now,

513
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: and maybe if they have gone through something similar, they

514
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: can hear, hey, there is hope, there is another side

515
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: of this, whether you choose to talk about it or not.

516
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that you have so on

517
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: behalf of all of them, and myself, thank you for

518
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: that timeline wise, for you, how old were you when

519
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: you ran away from the family, When you got separated

520
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: from the family, I should say.

521
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: It was at the same time. I wasn't gone from

522
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 4: my family for a long time. It was seventeen turning eighteen, Okay,

523
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: because our village where my parents my dad was a

524
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: doctor and my mom professor of languages. So the reason

525
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: we got targeted because we lived near the border, and

526
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: because the NATO had already invaded Kosovo. Serbian army got

527
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 4: really mad because they wanted to show Nata you cannot

528
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: just keep like conquering my region.

529
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: So they went after the individuals and civilian.

530
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: So they went after the civilians and we had a

531
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: civil war. We fought each other. Literally, it was in

532
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 4: another country. Like we have wars nowadays, you know countries

533
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 4: fighting that We've got one active one. Now, this was

534
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: a civil war. We fought each other.

535
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, So you get separated from your family, you

536
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: get picked up by one group of people, and then

537
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: that's some They started to groom you, and bad things happen,

538
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: and you were able to escape them and find these

539
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: American officers.

540
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: I found the Americans beforehand, before they found me in

541
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: the streets of Kosovo because I was seeking for the

542
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: Red Cross or shelter because it was nighttime. I had

543
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: made it all illegally into Kosovo and they spotted me

544
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: when I went to get some water from a bar.

545
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: It was the only place that was open. It was

546
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: c a few hours, so nobody was to be on

547
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: the streets. It was police hours, I suppose they referred

548
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: to as. And when they spotted me in this bar,

549
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: and he was completely with United Nations. The whole people

550
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: in that bar, besides the people that served the drinks,

551
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 4: everyone else was with uniform from different countries, Germany and

552
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 4: so on, and so Peter and Brian realized that was

553
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 4: someone that shouldn't be there and it was me, and

554
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: they followed me out with their translator, only to find

555
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: me just outside of the bar, crying my eyes out,

556
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: not knowing where to go. And so that's how we

557
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: got acquaintance and then best friends.

558
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Okay, are you still in touch with them?

559
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: I am in touch with Brian, more with Brian than

560
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: Peter at the moment.

561
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: So you find them and they help you out.

562
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

563
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: From that point, that's when they were translating that someone

564
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: was going to take you to the highest bidder. I

565
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: didn't follow that part.

566
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. So Peter and Brian decided to give

567
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: me shelter. They're the good guys. I stayed with Peter

568
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: and Brian for quite some time. I was doing the

569
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: chores around the house. They were looking after me, cleaning

570
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: their uniforms. None of this they expected of me. But

571
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 4: I did it out of gesture of good will, because

572
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: they gave me shelter and we became the best of friends.

573
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: This one day, when they were at work, I thought

574
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: if I could just go and get a newspaper or

575
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: magazine from a newsstand just outside of their apartment and

576
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: read something because I was desperate for knowledge and to

577
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: see what's going on. I thought, what's the worst it

578
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: could happen? So I just literally left the apartment to

579
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: get this newspaper or magazine. And as I walked towards

580
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: the stand of this newsstand, a van pulled in front

581
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: of me and the human trafficking gang were they were

582
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: keeping night of their apartment. The whole time of Peter

583
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: and Brian's apartment.

584
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

585
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: Because I believe and we believe the translator that worked

586
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: with Peter and Brian had opened his mouth and told

587
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: either the locals or maybe even them directly saying there

588
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: is a girl from Serbia is being sheltered by two Americans.

589
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: She's vulnerable, or maybe he just mentioned it and now

590
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: it's very hard to judge. I don't know how that happened,

591
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 4: but the human trafficking were guys were definitely on point

592
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: with finding me and to come out. Yeah, So Peter

593
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: and Brian had no idea where I'd gone. They knew

594
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: I was I vanished. They had questions whether I have

595
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: disappeared and just left them, and so they had their

596
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: assumptions as well. Once I was going, I was gone

597
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: with them for like a month or so, whilst they

598
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: were grooming me and all of this and teaching me stuff.

599
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: They tried they had sold me to the highest bid.

600
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: When the transition was meant to happen. It was meant

601
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: to happen through from Kosovo Albania, because it's a little

602
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: bit complicated if you don't have a map in front

603
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: of you or you're not looking at the map. It's

604
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: all within the border. It's like with Canada, for example.

605
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: From here, the border there was shut and they said

606
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: the police officers that were patrolling their particular point were Italians.

607
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: They said, everybody needs to go back is shut. We

608
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: don't know what is going to open. So my transition

609
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: didn't happen luckily, And from that point on, I made sure,

610
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: no matter what happened, I would try and survive. I

611
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: didn't think I was going to be able to survive,

612
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: but I knew that I'd been given this small window

613
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: of to do something. So when they stopped on the

614
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: way back to this place where they were holding me

615
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: in capital of Kosovo, Pristina, I made sure when we

616
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: stopped at the pizza place or anywhere that they had meetings,

617
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: I would make a scene by going to the bathroom

618
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: and then trying to reach for the waitress and or waitresses,

619
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: and I think I did raise a few eyebrows within

620
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: those places. By the time we reached our apartment where

621
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: they were grooming me, the boss and this was at midnight,

622
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: and the boss is staring at me. Took this call

623
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: and they said to him something and he said, oh

624
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: my god, she's more trouble than she's worth it. And

625
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: that's when he called his youngest soldier that he kept

626
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: with him the whole time. This young boy, well, I say,

627
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: young boy, a young man, He said, rape her killer,

628
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: and just God the body do what we do. He said,

629
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: we need to leave because now somebody has raised the

630
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: alarm for this. And that's when for me sort of

631
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: hit me hard because I went from Okay, maybe I

632
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: can escape to literally, oh my god, I'm dying any

633
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: moment now. And in the process of this guy of

634
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: preparing to rape me and kill me, I managed to

635
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: buy myself a bit of time. Not because I knew

636
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: I could escape, It's because I wanted to pray. I

637
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: really wanted to pray. I got on my knees pray

638
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: to the Mighty Guard like I've never prayed before or

639
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: never again. It was one of those really deep, profound

640
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: prayers for forgiveness because I knew he was the end,

641
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: and I just I was so scared to die. And

642
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: in those moments of praying, something happened, magical happened in

643
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: my mind or in my thoughts. I heard a voice saying,

644
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: turn around and look. And I didn't want to break

645
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: the prayer, but I did turn around and on this

646
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: table was a gun on the table and keys. The

647
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: guy had gone to the bathroom, so I took the keys,

648
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, okay, I can't touch the gun. Went

649
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: to the doors and I'm trying to open the doors

650
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: because there was two doors. One was wooden door and

651
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: the other one on the outside was a metal door,

652
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: like a prison door. So I opened the first door

653
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: and in the second one open. I was fiddling because

654
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: it was really really difficult to open. It opens the

655
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: opposite direction with the key. I didn't know. I learned

656
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: it on the spot, obviously. And when they opened and

657
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: I was sort of making too much noise, he heard me,

658
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: so he ran after me. And I was on the

659
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: fourth floor I think we were, and I was sprinting

660
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: down the stairs so fast and he caught me. He

661
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: hit me. I went flying onto the main road. It

662
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: was quiet because it was after midnight, and luck headed

663
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: that there was a massive jeep un jeep. They were

664
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: white with massive red marks and you could see the

665
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: un writing so big. I just recognized the jeep and

666
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: I started screaming. It was nighttime. I could only see lights,

667
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: but I knew he was a massive vehicle, and I

668
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: was really lucky. He was a police officer. He happened

669
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: to be an Italian police officer. That's finished duty was

670
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: parking his car to go into his apartment and when

671
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: he heard my cry, he ran for me, but by

672
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: that point it was a lot of shooting going on,

673
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: so I crawled towards him. He grabbed me, sheltered me

674
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: behind the car door. He opened the car door, reached

675
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: in for walkie talkie thing that was connected to the car,

676
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: and within seconds there was I don't know how many

677
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: United Nations cars came with translators, but all different nationalities.

678
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: And I was hysterical because it was a very tense moment.

679
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: When you survive, it's like the adrenaline and everything. I

680
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: was just screaming and crying, and then I got in

681
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: for an interview because I didn't know these people were

682
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: so dangerous. I thought I was just really unlucky and

683
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: this is just something crazy going on. But during the interview,

684
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: I got interviewed by a police officer from Kosovo and

685
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: he said to me, after I finished my interview, he

686
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: said he started crying and he wanted to hug me,

687
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: and I said, don't touch me. He asked, he said,

688
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: could I hug you? I said no, don't touch me.

689
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: He said I want to touch you, said, you know

690
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: you are the only survivor that escaped them, and you

691
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: being alive means you can come to court. We can

692
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: send them to Hague because you're not the only one.

693
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: They've taken so many children, so many women into human trafficking,

694
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: for sex trafficking, and we all know that they're doing

695
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: organ harvesting. And that's when I was speechless and I said,

696
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: I want nothing to do with this. I need to

697
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: run away. I was so frightened. I was young to go, yeah,

698
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: appear in court. You know, It's like I was a

699
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: child and so and I can understand now now why

700
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: they wanted me to be in court and to testify.

701
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: But considering they have eliminated every survivor, such every witness,

702
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: and there is no survivors but me that I know

703
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: of from these gangs, they dangerous, very much, so very dangerous.

704
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Do you have an estimated number? Do they ever give

705
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: you a number of how many people they think that

706
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: this group of people kidnapped harvested.

707
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't have numbers as such. But I was living

708
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: in Singapore when Syrian War was going on, because I

709
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: lived in Singapore for five years. And the reason I

710
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: mentioned this because I was a local. I couldn't attend

711
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 4: to the aid because these Syrian children went through Serbia

712
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: where their parents are without I got a call from

713
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: the News of the World as such, it was one

714
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: of the news outlet and they said, we just we

715
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: hear you talk a lot for you and women Singapore.

716
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: We've heard you. We know that you have been trafficked.

717
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: We know that you've been in the UK and you

718
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: are you know, we know your history, we know of

719
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 4: your story. Who do you think is taking because there

720
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: is over hundreds of thousands of children of Syrian children that.

721
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Went missing, hundreds of thousands.

722
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: Yes, during the crossing. I mean, I'm sure there is

723
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: somewhere on the internet if you google it. I haven't

724
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: done my research lately. But this was then when the

725
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: Syrian what was going on. They had to go through

726
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: Serbia to cross the border up towards Germany, and they

727
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 4: were on foot. Serbia took lots of migrants and lots

728
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: of people in But during their crossing of the borders,

729
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: during the times where it's vulnerable and you're doing illegal

730
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 4: stuff acrossing the borders, either the parents will say here,

731
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: I'll give you my child, I'll give you the money.

732
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 4: Let me know where I can find you after. If

733
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: I don't make it, please make sure they go to safety,

734
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 4: and they promise them the world. So a lot of

735
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: children at that time, going back to the Syrian War,

736
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: disappeared during their crossing with Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia.

737
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: So getting from one place to another with parents trying

738
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: to keep their children safe, the exact opposite is what

739
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: ends up happening in many cases.

740
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, because sometimes even the parents don't know they are

741
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: giving their children because they are not informed. This is

742
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: so undercover. Nobody speaks about human trafficking. If it is

743
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 4: spoken like we do now, a lot of parents will

744
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: be a little bit more cautious with their children. And

745
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm not saying be paranoid, be vigilant, be question people's motives,

746
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: question everything. You owe it to your child, you owe

747
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: it to yourself because losing a child is the most

748
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: painful thing you can ever ever experience, and I know

749
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: it from my parents' perspective. So, yeah, children gone missing.

750
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: And then same with Ukraine. We had children that from

751
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: Ukraine ended up in Sweden accidentally. Luckily a massive container

752
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 4: with children got found in Swedish waters and luckily the

753
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: children went there where were the children going in the containers.

754
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 4: I did my first podcast I did virtually was here

755
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: in the US and I was in London, and it

756
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: was an CIA agent that was actually interviewed at around

757
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: the same time. We had a chat of the phone

758
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 4: and he told me, then, this is three four years ago.

759
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: He said, one hundred and fifty million people get trafficked

760
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: every year. This is like a few years ago statistically

761
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 4: Smithing number. Yeah, and he said majority of them are children.

762
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: Of course their children, They're looking for adults for guidance,

763
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: and these.

764
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: See children are like the animals. Animals see good in everyone.

765
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: So in your experience, if we all need to be

766
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: vigilant as societies, what are signs that there's trafficking happening?

767
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Are there signs like if I go somewhere, is there

768
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: something I should be looking for to say maybe this

769
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: is off, there's something strange happening here. Because we hear

770
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: about trafficking all the time, but what is a sign

771
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: that it's actually going on.

772
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to start with London, for example, because I

773
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: don't spend much time here, so I don't know the city.

774
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: But there is different kind of trafficking. So you've got

775
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: the child trafficking for monstrous act. You got the sex

776
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: trafficking slightly well, also children and slightly more mature women.

777
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 4: Though slightly more mature women you sometimes find in like

778
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: adult kind of sides maybe or on the streets. And

779
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: before anyone judges them, I want people to understand you

780
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: don't know if it's by choice or is it control

781
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: old So have some kindness in your heart and if

782
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: you can't help them, don't judge them. This is really important.

783
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: Girls get into street traffic like sex on the streets,

784
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: like picking up man and stuff. They are controlled by gangs,

785
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 4: so that's another size. Those are things that you need

786
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: to watch. If somebody is promising you, oh, I'll make

787
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: your model, or are you going to travel the world

788
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: or come on my yard, or something slightly odd that

789
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: doesn't really fit the norm. It's not something that people

790
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: will do. Be cautious. I always say this. I mean,

791
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: I had someone from Australia contact to me said I'm

792
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: a model, and there is somebody from Singapore based in

793
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: Malaysia is offering me this that. Then the other I

794
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: heard your story. What do you think? I said, darling

795
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: blog blog blog, and don't go anywhere don't go.

796
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, now at the Internet, it's not even just people

797
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: kidnapping off the street. It's people luring people across borders,

798
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: across the world essentially, and you're going on your own

799
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: and you may never be heard from. Like, so, if

800
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: we see something that looks a little suspicious, what is

801
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: there to be done? Who do you reach out to?

802
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 4: I personally, if if you it's really hard to get involved,

803
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: If you see what I mean, it's because it's dangerous

804
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: for whoever gets involved. The best job that the agents

805
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: do undercovers that job. I would say, authority, don't I know,

806
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: sometimes say well, how can we trust you? Got to

807
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: give it a try, you know, not everybody, like we

808
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: were just saying before, not every everybody is corrupt. There

809
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 4: is good and bad in everything, including in every gender,

810
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 4: in every any any position people find themselves in, whether

811
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: the it's government, police, whatever. So give it give it

812
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: a you know, don't lose complete hope, because there is

813
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: some really good guys out that, Like I work with

814
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: good people that have been ex soldiers and so on.

815
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 4: But if if you see a child in front of you,

816
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: I see sometimes even like a social like almost a

817
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: prank to see what people are going to do if

818
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: a child is being taken like that. I mean, I

819
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: know these dangerous they holding guns and stuff, but if

820
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: you slightly feel strong, please interfere and grab the child.

821
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 4: I mean, you're probably the only one that is going

822
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 4: to save them.

823
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Now, this is a very interesting time that we're having

824
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: you on this podcast because within the last few weeks

825
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: here in the United States and actually across the world,

826
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: these Jeffrey Epstein files have come out and it is

827
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: addressing a lot of exactly what you're saying, trafficking involving

828
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: humans that are children, and where did they come from?

829
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: What is going on with them? And it does make

830
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: people questions slightly can we go to authorities because a

831
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: lot of these people were the authorities. If everything is

832
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: true that has been alleged, can you trust authority? And

833
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: you're saying that's the best we can do, we don't

834
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: really know, so you have to do what you have

835
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: to do.

836
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm very disappointed in so many levels because, as I

837
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: just mentioned, my two American police officers, just because there

838
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 4: is bad I can't now say, oh, maybe a question

839
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: Peter and Brian about it. You know what I mean,

840
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: it's there is good and bad. I keep saying this,

841
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 4: but I think government across the world owe us as

842
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: human beings. I hope whoever is leading the countries will

843
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: have time to just recalculate everything, think for the future.

844
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure they have their own kids as well, and

845
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 4: try to win our trust back. I don't know much

846
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 4: about the Epstein's files in terms of I don't know

847
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: if my gang was related to them at all. But

848
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: when you think about I'm just taking now drugs. If

849
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: we think of drugs, we instantly think that they all

850
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: get it from the same source or for the same thing.

851
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure there is innocent people that have been featured

852
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: with this monster. I'm sure one hundred percent, because I

853
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: always give people the benefit of the doubt. But if

854
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: you saw what happened and you did nothing about it,

855
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: you are a p participant. Absolutely, Because if I don't

856
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: say anything, and I'm not saying other survivors need to

857
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: say something. But I have healed enough that I want

858
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: to say, it's my calling. No, it's not everyone's calling,

859
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: it's my calling. I was meant to survive, I was

860
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 4: meant to heal, and I was meant to be this way,

861
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: So I can speak out For me, I've had my

862
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: fair share of life. It doesn't matter how much stronger

863
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: I have. I just want to raise awareness. I want

864
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: people to remember I tried. But people that have witnesses

865
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: that are not victims, but they have sometimes somehow been

866
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: victimized by being part of the group, they should speak

867
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: out with confidence and say, yes, I was featured, that

868
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on and it was terrible,

869
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: and stand firm with everyone else and say I don't

870
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: care if this implicates me, because I can no longer

871
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 4: keep my mouth shut, I can no longer stand here

872
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: and pretend I was not there, I didn't see it.

873
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 4: But now I am going to say because I'm not

874
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 4: the only one, there's lots of people that have been blackmailed,

875
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 4: and we are not scared, because that will show more

876
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: integrity than trying to selfish something that maybe or maybe

877
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: you were not.

878
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely there are more of us than there are of them.

879
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: So the more people speak up, the more people speak out,

880
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: the less afraid people are of what could happen, and

881
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: we know bad things can happen. The less power you

882
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: give these people when you can take it away and

883
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: voices take away a lot of power, and that's why

884
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm very thankful that you were able to come here

885
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: and share this with us. Your book, by the way,

886
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to go get it and get the

887
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: very linear version of exactly what happened. It's called Unbroken

888
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: Surviving Human Trafficking by Lorata Lyon. You said it took

889
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: you a long time to have faith in humanity again

890
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: and find humanity. What was it that made you actually

891
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: see it again?

892
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: So many things? You know, I like, there's just basis

893
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: on male gender, and I know some people don't like

894
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: to talk about gender, but.

895
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: You know, I just you talk about whatever.

896
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 4: I speak from her heart, and I respect all genders

897
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 4: and whatever people want. I'm really so neutral, but I'm

898
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: just focusing on what happened with me. I looked at

899
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: male gender and I thought, okay, well it absolutely destroyed me.

900
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: But then here is my dad, my superhero, trying to

901
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: save me. Here's Peter Bryan trying to save me. I

902
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: go to the UK, my psychiattrist or whoever was involved

903
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 4: to get me on my feet. There were men mixed

904
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: with women, but men. And then my mentor, Jill Man,

905
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: I married someone. It's a man. I created life you know.

906
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 4: And so I thought, hang on a minute, that you can't.

907
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 4: You can't brush every everybody with the same brush. And

908
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: then I went back again and I thought, hang on

909
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: a minute, there was a woman involved in grooming me,

910
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: and that was she was his lover. She knew what

911
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: was going on, she never did anything about it, infecttions

912
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: she she was cruel. When people read the book what

913
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: she was doing to me will be quite shocked. And

914
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: she was a female. Now am I going to lose

915
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: hope on my own gender and my mom's my sisterhoods. No, Ultimately,

916
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: it's all boils down, and no matter where you're from

917
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: or how it's all down to how evil you are,

918
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: and how evil you are is based on how much

919
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 4: cruelty have you been shown in life and whether you've

920
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 4: chosen to heal or you've chosen to carry that on.

921
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: Because if I chose to be what I've got shown,

922
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 4: I will be the biggest monster walking this planet Earth.

923
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 4: Maybe not so good for the Epstein's files, Yeah, yeah,

924
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: I'll be like walking Ninja.

925
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

926
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: But I chose to deal with this in a most

927
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 4: profound way without causing any more pain or wishing anyone

928
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: death by raising awareness and hopefully those that are in

929
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: power to take actions.

930
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: So you found humanity and other people love.

931
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: I got shown so much love from my parents and

932
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: then I had so much love for them, and I

933
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: thought love is the power. If we feel love, we

934
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 4: can't feel hate.

935
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: So for you, So today, where are you at with everything?

936
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: And how are you feeling. You've written a book, obviously

937
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: you have organizations or an organization to help people. How

938
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: are you feeling in general?

939
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: I'm feeling slightly on edge.

940
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 5: You know.

941
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 4: I have been very emotional because it's not just my

942
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: story that affects me anymore, you know, it's hearing these

943
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: stories all the time. I want this world to be

944
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 4: a peaceful world. I think we really need to stop

945
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: with everything that we are doing. We are fighting, we

946
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: are conquering. As we're all going to live here forever,

947
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 4: we are not. I think we are meant to live

948
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 4: simultaneously happy and work together and creating this wonderful life.

949
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: Maybe it's like some kind of an avatar world. I

950
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 4: feel really really on edge at the moment because every

951
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: war is a get way to human trafficking. And when

952
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 4: people say, oh, five thousand kids, fifty kids got killed,

953
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 4: I really want to see approved because I don't believe

954
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: sometimes what is being said. I need to see proof

955
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 4: that those children either are dead or where are they.

956
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, especially with what's going

957
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: on now.

958
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the first thing. I think. War has

959
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 4: brought nothing but misery and poverty to people, and children

960
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: always suffer, and children are future. Don't we want a future?

961
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely? So if somebody is listening right now, maybe going

962
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: through something similar, what is your advice to them?

963
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: My advice is as hard as it is. Please think positive.

964
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: How do you do that? Block the news. Listen to

965
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: things that make you feel good, you know, like with

966
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: substance shows like this. Listen to something that relates to you.

967
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: News can trigger has been triggering me since the war started,

968
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: and I'm on edge. Literally, I feel like I'm experiencing

969
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: war all over again. Go for a job, go for

970
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: a walk, speak to people you trust. You have to

971
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 4: let it out. If you can't tell anyone what's happened

972
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 4: to you, whether it's rape, abuse, whatever, it might be

973
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 4: bullying or whatever. I'm just going to try to soften

974
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: the content. Go write it down and write it, type

975
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: it down. Whatever you do is such a cathartic thing

976
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: to do, because you offload all this emotions and information

977
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: into something that you know, if you ever need to

978
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: go back, you can go and read it, but you

979
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 4: don't have to repeat it. And for me writing the book,

980
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: it was in fact, actually I started writing because Carrie

981
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: on Sex and the City. She inspired me to go

982
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 4: and type away. In fact, I've signed a book for her,

983
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: but when she was in London last I couldn't give

984
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: it to her because she didn't want to take gifts

985
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: from other people. And I'm like, for care, I want

986
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: to it's my book. You inspired me to do this.

987
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm not like that. I'm not stars. I

988
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: don't you know. I'm just everybody is the same. But

989
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: she inspired me. I thanked her in the book. I

990
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: wrote a really nice thank note for inspiring me. She

991
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: was typing, you know, at the end of each day,

992
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: Sex and the City. She would type in New York City,

993
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: and she inspired me.

994
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to be.

995
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: Her, so I think that's how I started typing, and

996
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: then I realized it was therapy. So let me be

997
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: your inspiration. Absolutely type away and think positive and we.

998
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Can all get a little bit of your therapy. For

999
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: Ourselves on Amazon. Unbroken Surviving Human Trafficking by Laurata Lyon.

1000
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that correct.

1001
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: Yes.

1002
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming, for writing this book,

1003
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: for speaking for people who don't speak for themselves, and

1004
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: for making me think about something that I hadn't before,

1005
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: which is you're telling us these massive amounts of kids

1006
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: are dying. We need to see proof that that's actually happening.

1007
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Not that one is any better than the other, but

1008
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: that was actually not a thought that I had in

1009
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: my head until speaking to you. So thank you for

1010
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: that pleasure.

1011
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

1012
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: On Okay Diamond, so you actually were not here for

1013
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: that interview when it happened. She sort of blew my

1014
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: mind with something. You know, we were talking about how

1015
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm like all about conspiracy theories, and I believe all

1016
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: these different things are at the very least, I'm leaving space,

1017
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 1: holding space for the possibility that some of the stuff

1018
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: that I used to think was crazy might not be

1019
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: so crazy anymore. What she said that threw me off

1020
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: the most is when I was asking her what is

1021
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: it that we can do to sort of stop this

1022
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: or where is it happening? The most what do we

1023
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: need to keep our eyes open for? And she said

1024
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: it happened to her because of war. She was running,

1025
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: she got separated from her parents, and from that point

1026
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: all of these horrible things happened. And that now we're

1027
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: clearly in the midst of war across the world in many,

1028
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: many different places, different reasons. If you didn't catch it

1029
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: in there, which I'm sure you did, I don't want

1030
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: to overexplain was you know, we're hearing these reports eighteen

1031
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: thousand children were killed, a school was hit, one hundred

1032
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: and fifty girls killed. And her thing is prove it,

1033
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: show me, unfortunately, and how sad that these kids are

1034
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: actually dead and that someone hasn't done some horror lean

1035
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: nefarious things in this time of war and taken tens

1036
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: of thousands of children that never actually crossed my mind

1037
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: as something that would happen. And now that's all I'm

1038
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: going to be thinking about.

1039
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: You are not the person to say those things too,

1040
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: because you really will stay up at night thinking about it,

1041
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: and like a lot of people will. I don't want

1042
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: to make it seem like, you know, we should make

1043
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: light of that, but it sucks when this is something

1044
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: that's brought up, but you don't know, like, how can

1045
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: you fix something like this?

1046
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1047
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: Like, what can you do besides just get the word

1048
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: out about it?

1049
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: I guess that's a start. Yeah, maybe if you get

1050
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the word out to enough people, enough people will give

1051
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: a shit to actually mobilize and do something. I think

1052
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: people are so overwhelmed and inundated right now with a

1053
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: million different things to be upset about and have anxiety

1054
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: about that. It's again we've talked about this before, but

1055
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a genius plan. Overwhelm and people just kind of freeze.

1056
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: Whereas I've read repeatedly that the way to combat these

1057
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: things that we're feeling so overwhelmed with is pick one

1058
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: or two things and go hard. Whatever those one or

1059
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: two things are. If it's climate, ride for the climate,

1060
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: go outside, pick up the trash, do the things that

1061
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: you need to do. If it's healthcare, figure out the

1062
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: ins and outs of how you can still get things.

1063
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: There are websites that you can go to and compare costs.

1064
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of stuff you can do. But if

1065
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: you try to attack all of it at one time,

1066
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: you are gonna feel helpless. You tack one thing at

1067
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: a time, and you'll be able to make some movement.

1068
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: So maybe by just getting the word out, we are

1069
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: actually helping in some way. I don't know. It feels

1070
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: weird when it's just us sitting here having these like

1071
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: weirdly deep conversations.

1072
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

1073
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: I love it too, but it just feels like, are

1074
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: we actually making any type of difference? I don't know.

1075
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: I hope so.

1076
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: But that's where maybe our talkbacks can come into play.

1077
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: Because I told you we were going to listen to

1078
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: some of these today. Oh boy, do you have any

1079
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's so many. Yeah, let's see, let's see, Hi, Ghandi.

1080
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: I was hoping you could have your dad back on

1081
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 3: the podcast. I'm listening to the replay right now, and

1082
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 3: he is the get and we miss him very much.

1083
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: Please have him back on.

1084
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh that was nice. How about this one? Your Dad's horrible?

1085
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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Who so hilarious?

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Speaker 5: Dad's horrible? Let's hang out?

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Speaker 2: Hang out? Ye?

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Speaker 1: What?

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: I loved it. I listened to that like five times.

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00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: That was good.

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00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: My dad probably would hang out with that person. My

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00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: dad will hang out with anyone. He loves hanging out.

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00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: I want to hang out with someone with that laugh.

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: How to rate the pod? What does this mean?

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00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 5: Dumb question as a dumb bitch that here's his podcast

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00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 5: according to.

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Speaker 1: That other day.

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Speaker 5: How do I rate your podcast?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea how.

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00:56:52,360 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: To rate it? Let me know. Okay, wow, it's like

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Speaker 1: a truck going by, yeah, under a tunnel. How do

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: you rate the podcast? What a good question. We tell

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00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: you to do it all the time. I'm pretty sure

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: Diamond knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you go on. Well, I know specifically how to

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: rate an Apple podcast. Okay, you go to the Little

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Purple podcast app if you have an iPhone, you look

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00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: for the podcast and you scroll all the way down

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00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: to No you scroll you don't scroll down. You stay

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00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: where you are and it shows the rating and you

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Speaker 2: click it and if you're signed into your Apple idea,

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: you'll be able to rate there like it shows you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there you go. Sounds super easy.

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Speaker 2: You don't scroll down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this one, let's see what they have to say.

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Speaker 5: I love the Big Show, but kind of stop listening,

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 5: so I'm glad I tuned into Sauce on the side.

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 5: I love the daily topics and everything just comes up

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00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 5: so organically makes me want to listen to it and

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00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: just keeps looking for like another episode, So if you

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00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 5: guys don't mind, if you guys can just up the episodes,

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Speaker 5: start recording some more, having daily fun laughs. I need things,

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Speaker 5: so listen to Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye, that's nice. I have some questions about why she

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: stopped listening to the Big Yes. Same, it seemed like

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: that was loaded, ma'am or miss, whichever you would prefer.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know why you stop listening to

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: the Big Show. What do you think it is?

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00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: Scary? Nah?

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00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: You here forever? Okay? This one just says, huh should

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I play this? Sure?

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00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 5: I don't learn from higher and hate straining.

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: I kind of friend.

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Speaker 5: Hey, buddy clo head, all right herery here you go?

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00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: Just that wrong?

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 5: Boy?

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: You got pretty mouth?

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: What the fuck was that?

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: Broh?

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00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 5: Hey, bring their fun back.

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00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that.

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00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: There, I'm not that dad.

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: That's the same person doing that.

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00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: This is exactly where I put huh yep, yep, yep.

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: Well, whoever you are, that was fascinating. Thank you for

1147
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: sharing your voices with us and telling us that you

1148
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: think Nate has a pretty mouth.

1149
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: All I can think of is the knee leaks meme

1150
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: where she's like, oh, well whatever that means.

1151
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, this will be the last one.

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00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: There's so many we'll have to do like another episode

1153
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: of just these talkbacks. Thank you for putting them all together.

1154
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to leave us

1155
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: a talk back so that we can respond to it

1156
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: or play it on the show, all you have to

1157
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: do is when you're listening to the iHeartRadio app and

1158
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, there's a little microphone, tap

1159
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: that microphone, and you're basically just leaving us a message

1160
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: saying whatever it is that you want to say. And

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: these are all pretty nice today for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what this is.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Gandhi and Diamond Love in the podcast with name

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: and scary, you just kind of quickly passed over that

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00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: you get mail from jail, So I feel like you

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: might want to revisit that because like, okay, bye.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's not unique to me. It is I

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01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: think anybody who is in the public eye at all,

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: news anchors, real celebrities, stuff like that. People from jail,

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Speaker 1: I guess they got a lot of time on their

1171
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: hands and they just send letters and all the letters

1172
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: start out the same, which is I hope this doesn't

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01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: freak you out, it in fact does, and nobody is

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: guilty of the crime that they've been accused of. Now,

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: it's fascinating about the mill from jail jail mail. They

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01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: have a prisoner ID on it because they have to

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: have their ID number, so you can look up what

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01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: these people have done, and they're all really terrible things.

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Speaker 2: No, I've only ever gotten one, and I was so excited.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where I'll put that I have it

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: is somewhere what you should look up. Yeah, I was excited.

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I was like, the one that was very exciting. I

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01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: think you were here when it happened. When I got

1184
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: that note that looks like it was some sort of

1185
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: ransom note from the nineties, like like Matt Locke or something.

1186
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: It was written, not even written, but it was all

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01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: letters cut out of magazines, especially who even has magazines anymore,

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01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: and took that amount of time to cut all the

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Speaker 1: letters out, and it was like, you better shut the

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01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: fuck up.

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01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: I know where you are.

1192
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: I can find you at even give a moment. Obviously

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: I already found you with this letter, Like there was

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: so much in this stupid letter, and I was kind

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: of laughing because I was like, what the what in

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: the nineties hell is this?

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Speaker 2: This is crazy?

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, people around us started

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Speaker 1: getting real tense about it, and they were like, oh,

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01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: we have to call threat assessment because yes, we do

1201
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: have these people who look out for us, which is nice.

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: We love that. So they are on the way to

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: get threat assessment and I see Andrew and Elvis get

1204
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: real squirmy, and Elvis is like, I already calmed down.

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: It's not that serious. It's not a big deal. It's

1206
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: just somebody being stupid. It's not a big deal. And

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: I turned and looked at him and said, what do

1208
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: you know? Because if he didn't know something, he would

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: have been the first person like, get threat assessment down here.

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01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna figure this out. Turns out it was our

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: naughty little friend John who we talked about in the

1212
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: last episode, who recently passed away. He liked to get

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: up to some shit and he thought it was so funny, and.

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: It was hilarious. It was hilarious. That was funny.

1215
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: Andrew was just sitting there like sweating, like, oh, lit,

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: I think this is getting into a direction. I didn't

1217
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: want it.

1218
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: To go oh no, John made Andrew sweat a lot.

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01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: Good times. Yeah, yeah, all right, Diamond. If people want

1220
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: to follow you, where can they find you.

1221
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: At Diamond sincere on Instagram, I am at Baby Hot Sauce.

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: If you can get past the shadow band, as we

1223
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: always say, like follow, subscribe, leave us a review, leave

1224
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: us a talk back, and follow the Instagram page at Sauce.

1225
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: On the side, we actually post little videos of what

1226
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: we're doing in the studio, which is typically just sitting

1227
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: in a chair talking to one another. But you can

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: come watch and we would appreciate it, and we will

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: see you guys next time. And don't forget. You can

1230
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: go pick up Lurataloon's book and you can read the

1231
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: entire thing, her whole saga. It is a wild ride,

1232
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that she's on the other side

1233
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: of it now I'm talking about these very important things.

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01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: Lrata lyon Unbroken. We will see you next time. Say bye,

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Speaker 1: Diamond Bye.