1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for a super producer, 4 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams zeus zeus Z. 5 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: Is that a thing people chant? You can chant anything. 6 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: Uh has a good mouthfield too when it makes you 7 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: want to pump your fist. 8 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: And hopefully there are a few people in the audience 9 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: tonight who are chanting Uh. Ben Bullen, I'm kidding. 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: That's you are in the mirror on a regular basis. 11 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: That's very nice of summoning you like the candy man. 12 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: And you are Noel Brown. 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: And today we are continuing our our exploration of the 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. Now, previously we talked 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: about the hanging gardens of Babylon. We also talked about 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: a pretty sick Mauslem And today no, we're exploring a statue. 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's it's a cool statue. It's 18 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: an imposing statue. It looms large in both history and 19 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: like you know, physically to jump in here. 20 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: As the research associate on these, I'm going to say 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: this right now, at the top. I think Statue of 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: Zeus is the lamest of the seven ones. 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: I take back, and I was trying to big up 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: the Statue of Zeus, you know, but you can just 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: deflated it. That's cool, You're right. 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: It's so you think it's you think it's lamer than 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: the the what does the world? 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that doesn't exist. 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean that one's really cool because the legend and 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: lore and stuff like that. Obviously it doesn't exist. I 31 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: mean something like it definitely did. But I think it's 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: actually probably very likely that people were confusing just things 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: in Babylon. 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: To be you're in that area, yeah, one hundred percent. 35 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Like Archimedes didn't really invent Archimedes' screw. 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: And invents the Archimedes screw. Why is it called that? 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: It's just branding at that point. Like Pythagorean theorem. 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: But wait a second, are you saying yzaggaris is in 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: India Pythagorean theorem? 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: Well, he independently discovered it, probably, but someone else also 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: came up with it. 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: It's all more that parallel thinking we only see in 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: history and speaking in parallel thinking. A lot of human 44 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: cultures love making. 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: Statues, Uh, there's a bit of hubris to the concept, right, 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: but it's also a way to tangibly commemorate an idea, 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: a deity, or you know, a ruler. You don't see 48 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of average guy statues. 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: That's true. I guess the hubrious element comes in depending on, 50 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: like who decided who commissioned the statue. If it's like 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: Noel Brown commissioning a giant statue of Noel Brown in 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: my front yard, which certainly has been known to be done, 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: that would be an act of hubris. But I guess 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: if it's like you know, in commemoration of a great figure, 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: and it was done by like the people, I don't 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: know that. I guess the people don't really commission stiesse 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm talking about. What's the deal 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: with Zeus though? That's that guy is a pretty big deal. 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the third oldest or most likely the 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: third oldest wonder of the ancient world. Stay tuned also 61 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: for our upcoming episode on who decided what made the 62 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: list or did not make the list? 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: It was Esco, It was wasn't it was different. 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: It was a little before UNESCO's time. Okay, fair enough, 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: but it was definitely. I'm gonna say it was kind 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: of arbitrary, but we'll we'll get into it in the future. 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: For now, yeah, for now, Zeus is if you travel 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: back into the heyday of this sculpture, then you'll see 69 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: something phenomenal. As Mark Cartwright says writing for World History Encyclopedia, 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: this statue was worshiped by pilgrims from across the Mediterranean. 71 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: It inspired countless imitations. It defined the standard representation of 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Zeus in Greek and Roman art on pretty much all 73 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: any kind of ancient merch you can imagine, pottery, gemstones, coins. 74 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how a political cartoonist and the 75 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Coca Cola company solidified the image of Santa Claus. 76 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: This. 77 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, before the statue, Zeus could be represented in any 78 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: number of ways. 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Are 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: looking at an artist rendering of it right now. It's 81 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: pretty elden Ring. Dude, that stepter that he's holding, I 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: feel like I could do a lot of HP, you know, seriously, 83 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: And then he's got what is that like a why 84 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: is there an angel in his hand? What's that about? 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: He was just a cool guy. It was that like 86 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: his familiar can he like deploy that to like, do 87 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: you know ranged damage. 88 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's get into it, right, the 89 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: DPS and the obviously this statue has a lot of 90 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: hit points. But yeah, what's its hip box is the question? 91 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: Right? Right? 92 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: This this is a world famous thing in its time, 93 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: and we owe it all or we owe the actual 94 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: sculpture to a guy named Phidias City, which is such 95 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: a fun silly name. 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 2: It feels like the name of a jolly cat, it does. 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: It just sounds fiddly for some reason. This guy is 98 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: a sculptor. Cartwright goes on the master sculptor and architect Phidious, 99 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: which is also spelled kind of like a five five 100 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: ds I guess at pH e I d i as 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: was active from four sixty five to four twenty five BCE. 102 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: He was already kind of a big deal. He'd supervised 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: the construction of a little old government building called the Parthenon. 104 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: Never heard of it? Yeah, no big deal there in Athens, uh, 105 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: And it's giant statue of Athena also a pretty big 106 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: deal in terms of like pantheons, right. 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, patron Goddess of Athens, and I love I gotta 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: stop here for a second. I love the idea of 109 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: mascots for cities, whether they be gods or you know, 110 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: uh Yo kai or. 111 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: Something we got? Is it issy? Isn't that what it 112 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: was called? Yeah? For the Olympics. 113 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not not the city's best work. No, but 114 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: it's no Athena, It's no Zeus. But you know the 115 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: So this guy is kind of like Phidias, is kind 116 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: of like a guds On Borgloom of his day, the 117 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: guy who made Stone Mountain and the faces. Yeah, he's 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: he He's a that guy. Gutan's a problematic dude, but 119 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: is similar because he is known for making these beat 120 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: me here Max big aps sculptures. 121 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: Big boys. Yeah, it's true. The location was going to 122 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: be Olympia in the western Peloponness of Greece, where a 123 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: huge temple had been erected recently. That is where every 124 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 2: four years the Olympic Games, sort of the og Olympic Games, 125 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: the Pan Hellenic Olympic Games took place or were dedicated. 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: And this is from Cartwright's research. 127 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: And this would help solidify like the location of this 128 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: temple and then later this statue of Zeus. This would 129 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: help solidify these events as not just a series of 130 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: games similar to things in other parts of the world, 131 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: play instead as the games big tent item. 132 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: I guess it's appropriate then that I brought up Izzy, 133 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: because that was the Olympic mascot, the sort of goofy, 134 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: cartoonish Olympic mascot of the Atlanta Olympic Games. What was 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: that in the nineties ninety nineteen ninety six six man 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: was wrong, way off. So Phidias was a really really 137 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: beloved and you know, luminary of an architect. So he 138 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: was the kind of obvious choice for this statue because 139 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: it not only was going to be a big deal, 140 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: very visible honoring a very important deity, but it was 141 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: going to be logistically pretty gnarly, and he was going 142 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: to need to supervise hundreds of workers and craftsmen and this, 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: like many, you know, things that I guess would be 144 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: considered ancient wonders, it was going to take quite a 145 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: few years of planning and work to get this done. 146 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, and he has the bona fides, 147 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: he's got a nasty CV. 148 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: They like him for this. 149 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: He moves to Olympia because it's going to take so 150 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: long that he pretty much has to live there to 151 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: make the statue. And if you fast forward you'll see 152 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: that later excavations in the twentieth century discovered Phidias's workshop, 153 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: so we know he was an actual person. 154 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: We know he was alive. Uh. We have one of my. 155 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Favorite pieces of material evidence for his existence, other than 156 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, the statues. Uh, in his workshop they found 157 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: a little wine jug or cup and on the side 158 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: of it. You know how a lot of people when 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: they have office jobs, they have qut mugs with his statement. 160 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: There they're faced on the bottom. Was it in the 161 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: it crowd? Where like you'll know it's what is it? Moss? 162 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: He had his face was on the bottom of the mug, 163 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: and so he's looking for his mug. But it was 164 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: until the end that they showed the twist when someone 165 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: was drinking from it and looked at the bottom and 166 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: it was a big picture of Moss's head played by 167 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: Richard Iowadi. Great, great, I love it. 168 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: It's a completely generic mug. Other than that, that's exactly. 169 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: I like your glasses. 170 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, they're not for sale. 171 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: They're not you know what, everything's not for sale. 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So this, uh, getting back to this story the 173 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: QT mug thing. This is again one of my favorite 174 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: facts about the discovery of this guy's actual existence. He 175 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: had a little mug and his little mug which was 176 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: probably meant to hold wine. On the side of it, 177 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: it says I belonged to Phidias Phidias cup. 178 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: He just couldn't put down the cup, you know. 179 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: And this workshop also we know they had implements that 180 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: sculptors would use. They also have fancy stuff like ivory tools, 181 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: goldsmithing hammers, and then molds for pieces of a large, 182 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: so far unidentified female statue. But anyway, maybe we talked 183 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: about the temple before, so we can understand why they 184 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: moved this pretty famous guy all the way over there 185 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: to build this statue. 186 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: Right, And I don't know if it happens right here, 187 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: but I think Max pointed out in the research and 188 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: the temple and the statue sounds like like a doom 189 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: metal band, or like the very least like a metal album. 190 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: It's very metal. Oh it doesn't. The first line sounds 191 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: like an album name. It's true highly metal sounding. So 192 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: before we dive into the actual statue, to your point, Bed, 193 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: let's talk about the meaning and the significance of the 194 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: temple In the religion of ancient Greek, a temple was 195 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: very very important. That I mean, it's not completely different 196 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: than the idea behind a church or like it is 197 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: the literal house of God. It is where God lives. 198 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: Whose house God's house? 199 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the name that would be used for temple 200 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: is nous in aos, which just means dwelling, so that 201 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: the statue of the deity then it's like a shrine. 202 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: The statue is far more important than the structure of 203 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the temple that surrounds the statue. 204 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Now do we know. 205 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: The degree of sincere spirituality for people worshiping at the temple? 206 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Do we ever write it's still a question today would 207 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: be point. 208 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: Right, I guess because it was kind of a cosmopolitan world, 209 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: right in Greek this was a very an urban is 210 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: the wrong term, but you know, secular, like in terms 211 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: of like the kinds of stuff, the commerce aspect of it. 212 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: I know that the worship of the gods was a 213 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: thing on paper. But the question then becomes like how 214 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: strong was every individual's faith at this point? Is that 215 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: what you're saying, Ben. 216 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, we have to realize, you know, there's yes that 217 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: question that continues in twenty twenty five, right, But we 218 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: also have to realize that to the point about cosmopolitan 219 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: or diverse belief spectrums, there was a. 220 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: There was a. 221 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: Monopoly of varying degrees of sincerity, you know. For It's 222 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: funny because in some cases, at this time in history, 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: people are literally sacrificing animals, and sometimes more than animals 224 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: because they believe in gods to that degree. But then 225 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: in other cases, is you could say they root for 226 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: their city's god the way you would root for your 227 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: city sports team. 228 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, case in point with 229 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: the Olympics. I mean, truly, it does feel like that 230 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: was the best representation of like this, you know, cheering 231 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: for your particular deity of choice. But it's also it 232 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: shows as well, though, how politics and religion were very 233 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: closely intertwined, you know, and in many cases, perhaps by 234 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: the folks in charge, religion was a way of controlling 235 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: folks at a lower social stratum than. 236 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: They right, an opiate of the masses always Yeah, And 237 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: the name for a statue in Greek is zoom zoo or, 238 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: which translates to living things. So that's part of why 239 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: these sculptures from this period. That's why they aim for 240 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: a realism and kind of hyper realism which takes an 241 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: immense degree of skill. 242 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It's still blows me away when I got 243 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: I mean, there's like a little sculpture garden at the 244 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: High Museum here in Atlanta, and like the stuff that 245 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: always absolutely blows my mind is there's one in particular, 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: I believe where it's like a I think it's a 247 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: Greek sculpture. It's a woman sort of in a shroud 248 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: and like fa The way it flows and the way 249 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: it looks transparent. Dude, it's crazy, the level of precision 250 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: that goes into these things. 251 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: I've spent more than an hour just baffled at that one. 252 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm glad that you liked that one too. 253 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: Do you know much about the background it has to 254 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: be I think roughly of this era. It seems like 255 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: the style. In any case, I should have read the cat. 256 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: It's a similar medium and a similar level of realism 257 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: that we're talking about. 258 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: It is a similar medium, it's a similar level of realism. 259 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's from the same time, just because 260 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: this statue of Zeus is so very old. 261 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: That's very true. It might be Italian. It might be 262 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: later though and like inspired by that kind of sculpture. 263 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: But we'll figure that out. We will maybe maybe off bake. 264 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: We'll report back. It was this kind of idea of 265 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: this this temple containing this incredibly imposing statue, that it 266 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: would be this link right between like the Mortal Coil 267 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: and like the world of the gods. 268 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Phidious understands this is a quite prestigious gig, right. 269 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to let the team down, so he says, look, 270 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to make a statue that is so big 271 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: and so literally dripping in gold that it is going 272 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: to inspire revelation and epiphany to the onlooker. 273 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: This will change the way you feel about God. Dude, 274 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: that's the kind of statue I'm making. So you got 275 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: to wonder there to our question, is this a flex 276 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: like he's gonna just like he's almost likening him himself 277 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: to a godlike in his ability, or is this coming 278 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: from a place of true belief. It's up for debate. 279 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: We were not able to get Phidious on the show 280 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: today for a couple of reasons. His dance card's a 281 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: little full, but he says, hi, and he wants us 282 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: to tell you that this statue was over forty feet tall, 283 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: and like you were describing earlier, it is not Zeus standing. 284 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: He is sitting atop a throne. And it's similar to 285 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: later statues like the statue of Lincoln in DC. It's 286 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: wrought with symbolism, but unlike the Lincoln statue, which we're 287 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: just using his reference point because most people can picture 288 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: it in their heads. Unlike the Lincoln statue, this thing 289 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: is I'm gonna say it's a little gaudy. It's a 290 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: combination of gold and ivory over a wooden core. All 291 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: the all the skin of Zeus, his face, his arms, 292 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: legs towards, so that's made of ivory, like actual from 293 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: elephant's ivory. 294 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: That's why that includes all of his extremities right his 295 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: face and arms and torso uh and his beard, all 296 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: the little lacoutrement called them, like the accessories robes and 297 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: his staff are made of gold, then these are. There's 298 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: a lot of craftsmanship that goes into that because they're 299 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: hammered really thin and then applied directly to the ivory 300 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: as these almost like I guess Inlays is maybe the 301 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: wrong word, but it does have all of these different 302 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 2: like components kind of little lecoutrement jewels as well, if 303 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: I'm not a mistake, enamel, maybe even ebony mm hmm, 304 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: yeah uh. And then of course paint a bunch of jewels, 305 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: because why not. And it's blamed out for sure, it 306 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: is definitely you know, it has it has some drip. 307 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: And we know from again the evidence in the workshop, 308 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: they probably first erected the statue in pieces. The size 309 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: of the workshop again proven to be Phidias's hangout, his 310 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: little home away from home office. It is exactly the 311 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: same dimensions as the inner main room of the temple. 312 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: So they probably put it there together in the workshop 313 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: to give it a qa, and then they took it apart, 314 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: and he took it to the temple and they put 315 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: it back together. It's in ikea sculpture. 316 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: It does seem to be the case there, ben So 317 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: lest we rely on our own kind of recreation of 318 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: like artists renderings and things that we've seen, which I think 319 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: we've done a fine job, let's hear a historical description 320 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: that has found circa second century CE by the Greek 321 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: geographer and traveler Pausanius. Pause, Pausane Pausanius. Yeah pause, Ennius. 322 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah there you go. Love it. You want to pass 323 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: this one around them? Yeah, let's do so. Here we go. 324 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: The god sits on a throat and he's made of 325 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: gold and ivory. On his head lies garland, which is 326 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: a copy of olive shoots. It is right hand. He 327 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: carries a victory Nike, which, like the statue, is of 328 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: ivory and gold. Oh dear, I don't know gonna follow that, 329 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: miskinnes my regular lies she Nike right, the victory, the 330 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: winged victory like the one at the louver. If phenom 331 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: mistaken that Rachel Ziegler is always talking about her in 332 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: her YouTube videos. She wears a ribbon and on her 333 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: head a garland. In the left hand of the god 334 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: is a scepter ornamented with every kind of metal, and 335 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: the bird sitting on the scepter is the eagle, terrifying bird. 336 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: The sandals also, I gotta do a voice here for 337 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: it of the god of gold, and is likewise his rube. 338 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: On the rube or embroidered figures of animals and the 339 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: flowers of the lily. The throne is adorned with gold 340 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: and with jewels, to say nothing of ebony and ivory, 341 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: which is a weird shout out to that song. Yeah, 342 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: it's true, that's where it came from. Everybody knows that. 343 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: So what's the deal with Zeus? We've been talking about 344 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: it sort of in absentia, sort of as a thing. 345 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: What was right? 346 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: Ah? 347 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it makes it makes sense because 348 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: of you know, I think you could probably put two 349 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: and two together and know that the kinds of sculptures 350 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: that we have from antiquity that remain are like burly material, 351 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, stuff that is carved out of a single 352 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 2: piece of rock. You know, perhaps even carved into perhaps 353 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: like a cliff face or what have you. It makes 354 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: sense that those would perhaps stick around this perhaps due 355 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: to its modularity not the case so, long story short, 356 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: a statue celebrating a deity of a pagan religion also 357 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: not super popular. When the Christians take over this. 358 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: Group be in, They're like, mm, this has got to 359 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 1: go to the point about spirituality and politics. We often 360 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: say spirituality and science were inextricably linked in the ancient 361 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: world on our show stuff they don't want you to know. 362 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really interesting point that spirituality 363 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: and politics were likewise is intertwined. So as you're saying there, 364 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: it should be no surprise that when the Roman emperor 365 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: Theodosius the First got into Christianity, it shouldn't surprise you. 366 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: They was like, all right, get rid of all this 367 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: other culty stuff, and he went a little far. He 368 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't even like the Olympic Games. 369 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: No, he should didn't. And is that not the reason 370 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: why a lot of kind of Greek sculptures and things 371 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: that we have remaining are smashed up like or have 372 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: been damaged. I'm sure that's one of the many I think. Yeah, 373 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: it didn't want to presume, but I think that makes 374 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: a whole lot of sense. Not a fan of the 375 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: games as we dubbed them earlier, as Max dubbed them 376 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: all caps, so he wanted to put a stop to 377 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: that too. So the final Olympics were held in three 378 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: ninety three CE, after a run of two hundred and 379 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: ninety three games over a millennium, more than a millennium plus. 380 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 2: So after that the site and the temple fell into disrepair. 381 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like smashed, right, it was just sort 382 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: of ignored, And they decided to reroute the upkeep team elsewhere. 383 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, it just kind of faded, you know, it 384 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: fell from its glory days, and then eventually it is 385 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: outright desecrated in four twenty six CE, and this happens 386 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: in large part due to a decree against all pagan 387 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: temples by Theodosius the Second. Then after that, after the 388 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: human disaster, natural disasters strike earthquakes in just a few 389 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: decades apart from each other, absolutely rock the temple. 390 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: Yep, it really got it rocked. It's true, but you know, 391 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: nature time, it's the cruelest cut of all time. And 392 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: the ruins were eventually covered, even adding insults to injury 393 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: the remaining bits in silt from the River Alpheus, which 394 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: slowly began to kind of redirect its course also over 395 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: the time. What is that a riddle? Ben in Lord 396 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: of the Rings. It's one of the Gollumn riddles. It's 397 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: about time, And I always thought it was like grinds 398 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: great mountains to me. Anyway, I think it's just a 399 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: good one and I'll see we can find it time. 400 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: I've got it. Yeah cool, yeah, okay, yeah here it is. 401 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, we're not going to do a Gollum voice 402 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: because I'm wonder the weather, but this thing all things 403 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: devours birds, beast, trees, flowers, gnaws, iron, bites, steel, grinds, 404 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: hard stones to meal, slaves, king ruins town. And I 405 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: think the line that got it stuck in our heads 406 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: we saw this was was where he just gets super metal. 407 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: He's like and beats high mountain and then he takes 408 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: like five minutes to say down. It gives them the 409 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: beat down of their life. And I think one of 410 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: the other clues or the solutions to one of the 411 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: is mountain. And then we also have which is another 412 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: feature of time. I mean, think about the way like wind, 413 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: just over long enough, time just erodes things down to nothing. 414 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: It's just I don't know, I'm stating the obvious, but 415 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: I do still find it. It's amazing. 416 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: I hear you, And I think this is one of 417 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: my favorite details about the tragic loss of the Statue 418 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: of Zeus here because the fact that a river slowly 419 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: changed its course is the best illustration of how long 420 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, took place, And. 421 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: Back to Cartwright direct quote, because I think he said 422 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: it best. The statue would not suffer the same fate 423 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: as the temple, though as the two were destined to 424 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: be separated and never reunited. The statue was renovated several times. 425 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: Cracks in the ivory were repaired, and even perhaps supporting 426 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: columns added under the throne. 427 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and there's a Roman emperor. We've got to mention. 428 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: You may have heard of him before. Caligula. 429 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: Bit of a sex pest that guy. 430 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really don't have a reaction because I 431 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: feel like that's very true. 432 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: I mean putting it. Yeah, check out the movie with 433 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: the Malcolm McDowell. It is bits porn. Just it's rough. 434 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: And we should also note that with any historical figure, 435 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I always have to say this, be 436 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: the emperors or popes or what have you, you have 437 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: to be careful with wild stories you hear about them 438 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: because sometimes they can be propaganda to mess up a reputation. 439 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: That being said, caligular man anyway, in addition to doing 440 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Skinemax type stuff, he tries to take 441 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: the statue of Zeus and transport it to Rome. But 442 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: if you look at the works of Roman writers like Suetonius, 443 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: you'll see that eventually they gave up on the project. Now, 444 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: the reason we know they didn't move it there. This 445 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: is like eighties Clash of the Titan stuff. The project 446 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: gets abandoned for one reason or another. But the official 447 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: reason this writer gives is that the Zoos statue, when 448 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: they tried to move it, mysteriously emitted a roar of laughter, 449 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: and then all the scaffolding that the workers were on collapsed. 450 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: Look upon my works? Can we unpack what this might 451 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: have been? Do you think it was somebody playing a 452 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: nice ashton Kutcher asked prank on all of these construction workers, Like, 453 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: maybe it's crouching in the bushes and doing a laugh, 454 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: throwing their voice. That's that's I like a hygiens. I 455 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: do like that. 456 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: I think it's more plausible that maybe it was uh, 457 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe it was a cover up story because it got 458 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: too expensive to move it. 459 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: Or what about this? What if it was a temblor 460 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: what if it was a small earthquake that made some noise? 461 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: And then man, don't you picture when he starts laughing 462 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: that he just rises up and the like the stone 463 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: cracks and he gets up and just starts like initiates 464 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: a giant fight, Like I'm sorry, I've been playing this 465 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: clare obscure r j RPG style game. So I'm picturing 466 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: everything in turn based combat. I think Zeus would crush'd. 467 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 2: It's good. It's getting a lot better. You got it. 468 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: You finally finished the main story last night, so I'm 469 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: doing a new game. 470 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: Plus. 471 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 3: By the way, do an in game plus you have 472 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: to delete your save file. 473 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: So uh, it's a little a little psychotic. I'm on 474 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: the lamp Master, who was kicking. 475 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you knew the end of Act of one then. 476 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 2: Oh good? Yeah, the lamp Master very hard. But I 477 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: realized that I kept getting my ass handed to me, 478 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: so I decided to go back and fight some larger 479 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: level bosses and level up somewhere. Anyway, enough about Yeah, 480 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: it's good, I just started the grind. But anyway, I'm 481 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: loving it very much. 482 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: And speaking of the grind, Uh, there's another unfortunate thing 483 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: that happens to this statue of Zeus. 484 00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 485 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: Emperor Constantine one is like one of those guys in 486 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: Florida who steals copper wiring from out of houses. 487 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like drains the what is the free on from 488 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: air conditioning? You? 489 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, like has a side business selling dirty catalytic catalyts. 490 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: What is it? What is the material that's in that. 491 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: It's so dear, isn't it like platinum or something. There's 492 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: like a tiny amount of platinum and catalytic converters makes 493 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: them valuable. 494 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: It's something. There is some material in there. Because remember 495 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: Alex got his stolen off his truck when he's an 496 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: LA hacked it off because this is like they're super 497 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: expensive to replaced. Thankfully it was covered by his insurance. 498 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's. 499 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: A platinum, palladium and rudium. Dang d look at my 500 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: car stuff notes? Why do I still have those anyway? Yeah, 501 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: So the gold parts of this Zeusied statue are taken 502 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: by Constantine the first. Eventually the statue or what's left 503 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: of it is moved to constant antoneuple. It's not as sambols, 504 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: not as symbol, and that's not our business. And this 505 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: is at the time the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire. 506 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: Then from there the temple or the structure maybe a 507 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: palace where this was housed that got destroyed, but we 508 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: don't know how it got destroyed. It could have been 509 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: an earthquake, could have been a tsunami, could have been 510 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: the fifth century, could have been the sixth century CE. 511 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: All we know is that so much time has passed, 512 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: rivers have literally changed course. 513 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: The statue is gone. Yeah, that's basically the story. But 514 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: you know, based on these descriptions, very helpful descriptions, we 515 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: do have some pretty cool artists renderings of it. Like 516 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: I said, so you can look that up. There is 517 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: a cool alternate kind of what if of it all? 518 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: An alternate theory is recorded in the works of a historian, 519 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: actually a paraff history Zonaris and Kedron. You might have 520 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: heard of them, But doesn't that sound like a cool 521 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: rap duo? Yeah, I could hear it. Jesus and Marrow, 522 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: I think is what I'm thinking of. Zennaris and Kedron. 523 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: I love it. They proposed that the statue was dissured 524 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: by a fire, and I guess, given its wooden core, 525 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: that would make sense, and that would have potentially been 526 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: in four seventy five C. 527 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: And so now we have a very interesting conundrum here. 528 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to call this statue Zeus Prime. Zeus Prime 529 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: is gone by Eddie Measure. We don't know exactly what 530 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: caused it to disappear, but Zeus has inspired so many 531 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: other renditions. I would say the statue hasn't really disappeared 532 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: because of the strength of its legacy, You know what. 533 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Mark, that's for sure. Yeah. And to your point, 534 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: then it really is the quintessential artists rendering of Zeus. 535 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: And with that we are ending the story of this 536 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: wonder of the ancient world, the Statue of Zeus, uh, 537 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: and getting to our main story, the question that has 538 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: haunted all our fellow ridiculous historians. 539 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: I threw out this low this half hour. 540 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: Uh your question immediately, friends and neighbors. Should I build 541 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: this wonder in the video game sid Meier's Civilization? 542 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: And I start that to Max Maximilian, Max Atrillian with 543 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: the facts. 544 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: Well, like all wonders, and Civilization depends on which game 545 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: you can build it in. Through my research, I found 546 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: it's been in four. I haven't checked to see if 547 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: it's in seven. 548 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: I haven't even played seven. I was when I were 549 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: talking to earlier. I only play a civilization on long 550 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: plane flights. 551 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: This year's a really I mean, if you're a game nerd, this, 552 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, it's really. But there's just so many 553 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: video games this year to oh. 554 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's well, that's a good thing. It's a good, good, 555 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: good kind of Roughs. 556 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we're up through so many games, like I 557 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: don't even touched a like Adam Fall, and that's supposed 558 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: to be a beautiful game. Long story short though, in 559 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: Civilization six, Statue of Zeus is probably the most worthless 560 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: wonder in the game because what it gives you. 561 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: They like to share your opinion of the one. 562 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: No, it's like it's four hundred and forty production to 563 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: build all the things that Statue of Zeus comes with. 564 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: There's like one specific build you can do where it 565 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: makes sense. I mean technically, like you know, it's an 566 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: early wonder, so if you go in for cultural victory earlier, 567 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: you build them the better. Blah blah blah. But it's 568 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: like if I think I wrote down here the equation 569 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: that I ran, But it's like if you're doing a 570 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: Wonders China build, you have a classical age monumentality. The 571 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: Statue of Zeus can be attained pretty easy because what 572 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: you can do is you can, like, you know, put 573 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: workers in there, you can buy workers with faith and 574 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: do all these things. But you have to build in 575 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: a canon and a barracks already, and you can just 576 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: build you know, so many other great wonders like Jebel, Barkeel, Petra, Avedonna, Plasus, Colisseum, 577 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: Right Library, Maha Body Temple, and of course the previous 578 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: dimension Masleiam Halcronasis. Or you can even build the Terracotta Army, 579 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 3: which has the exact same requirements as temple Zuits. But 580 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: it's so much better. 581 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: And those guys are scary, they'll come at you. 582 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: And maybe first I have always liked the Great Library 583 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: as a fan of Bordes, and due to the fact 584 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: that it gives you those free technologies. 585 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: That's just sweet. But this is someone who has never 586 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: played the game or any of the games. Every time 587 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: you guys talk about it, it gets me curious. It's fun. 588 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: Isn't there one on PS five? There's one, there's a version. Okay, 589 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna check it out. Are any of them free 590 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: on PS plus? They should be, Maybe the older ones 591 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: might be. 592 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: Take a look or check an emulator if I can 593 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: say that online. Anyway, we have we have so so 594 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: much more to get to, more ancient wonders of the world. 595 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: We have some ideas we'd like to share with you 596 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: about what makes a wonder so wonderful or what not, 597 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: But for now we are going. 598 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: To call it to day. 599 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: We're off on some adventures and we're doing so with 600 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: big thanks to our super producer research associate for this episode, 601 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. 602 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 2: Boy are we ever? Huge thanks to Alex Williams, brother 603 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: of Max, who composed this banging them. Sorry about your 604 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 2: catalytic converter, Yeah, I think he got pasted. At least 605 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: insurance paid for it. Huge thanks to Jonathan Strickland and 606 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: the Quist and A J. Bahamas Jacobs the Puzzle. 607 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: And to our dear friends the Rude dudes at Ridiculous 608 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: Crime who are actually making an appearance on the Puzzler. 609 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: You check out that crossover we're all very excited about. Uh, 610 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: let's see Christopher Hasiotis, Eve's Jeff Coates here in. 611 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: Spirit and Noel. Thanks to you. Welcome back man, Thanks buddy, 612 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate it's good to be back and we'll see 613 00:34:52,239 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: you next time. 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