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Speaker 1: to it in the meantime without further ado, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna do much of an intro about other stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: I will update you on my thoughts on the NBA,

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Speaker 1: trapped on college basketball, We're getting ready, We're in March, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: There's me more and more of these pods, but this

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Speaker 1: is too good. When we last caught up with the Introbogu,

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Speaker 1: we had heard stories of him growing up in Australia,

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Speaker 1: out in a suburb of Melbourne, Melbourne. I always feel weird,

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Speaker 1: should I be saying Australian cities in an Australian I

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Speaker 1: should have asked him this in Australian accent, Like should

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Speaker 1: I don't know you, tweeted at Gottlieb Show. Anyway, Outside

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Speaker 1: of Melbourne, he grew up in a small suburb, passed

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Speaker 1: over time and again for all the big clubs. He

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Speaker 1: didn't even get to play in the National Championship thing.

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Speaker 1: But all of a sudden he made it to a

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Speaker 1: and he became a superstar. Goes to Utah player rickman

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Speaker 1: Jara's great stories. So we have we had growing up

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Speaker 1: stories we had If you missed it, download that's part one.

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Speaker 1: It's really good. Now we get further on towards the NBM.

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's catch up part two of

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Speaker 1: our conversation with former NBA star Andrew Boger. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you know this story, but I'm gonna tell it anyway

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Speaker 1: because uh I was. Chris Mullen told me this to

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Speaker 1: have Steph or aren't they you pick and they picked Monte.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the story. I know the story personally because

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Speaker 1: the person who looked over the medical files I had

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Speaker 1: Um the Yeah, the person that was involved in looking

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Speaker 1: look at the medicals. That was the only opinion the

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Speaker 1: the talent evaluation. They just said, look at these two

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Speaker 1: was huge concerns saying call at that point, and he

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Speaker 1: a you know, his injury histories worse and could potentially

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. It's crazy at two levels. First on the

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Speaker 1: Bucks right, for not but also for the Warriors, because

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Speaker 1: It's really I get roasted because when he left college

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Speaker 1: I just didn't think. I didn't see it because he

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Speaker 1: That's who I thought he did. That was my that

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Speaker 1: would tell you this. Okay, So here's the underrated part

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Speaker 1: people to understand. But it's that you're a great passer.

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Speaker 1: Sean Livingston's former point guard, right is, Yes, technically steff

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Speaker 1: not many superstars in the league. You can go up

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Speaker 1: And yeah, having the pieces around Draymond, myself, guys that

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Speaker 1: And it made total sense. Draymond. You first meet Draymond,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those scuffles throughout the seasons. On court

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Speaker 1: of playing Draymond at the four of the five? What

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Speaker 1: else about Steve Kerr changed there? He didn't like come

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Speaker 1: disappointing part because it's kind of forgotten about a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But we had a phenomenal year and we look we

429
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: had probably ten games that regular season we shouldn't have

430
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: won when you looked at a three quarter time score

431
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: or a halftime score or down like ten fifteen points,

432
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: and then you know sometimes we put in most bates

433
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: and he'd scored ten straight for us. You know, we

434
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: just had so many different things we could go to

435
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, we we we were just a fun process.

436
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: But it was also I felt like the pressure was

437
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: up even more because we kept ourselves so accountable where

438
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: you know, after a loss, it be to the extent

439
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: of man bos, why don't you box out that plane,

440
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: tuck or steph, you're wide open, like you should have

441
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: hit that, or you know, why don't you make the

442
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: right play? Why don't you rotate on defit? Like we'd

443
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: be overthinking that ship because we were so competitive wanting

444
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: to win that you you'd almost want that next teame

445
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: to hurry up and come because it was like those

446
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: three days between we're not fun at all. Um. Okay,

447
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: so you get to the NBA Finals and now it's

448
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: the Calves again and they're Carter reloaded. Now Carrie is healthy,

449
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different. How what was this

450
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: one like as opposed to the previous, Well, at the whole,

451
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: it was just a massive swing. It just shows you

452
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: that a seven game series, you know, anything can happen.

453
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: We felt like we had probably had a one, which

454
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, we blew them out basically three out of

455
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: the first four games. It wasn't I mean the first

456
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: two games at home weren't even close. Um they got

457
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: us was a game Game three, they got us, um,

458
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Speaker 1: and then we come back for game five up e

459
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: one and we thought, you know, we thought we were

460
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: in a great position obviously, even looking at the numbers historically,

461
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying that most teams are up three

462
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: one win. Um, we we kind of changed the rejectory

463
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: of that of that, but yeah, it just it just

464
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: all turned. I mean game game five, I still remember it.

465
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: Lebron gets Straymin suspended essentially Coross Batus Bade and um, yeah,

466
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean that that hurts. You get hurt in five?

467
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: Did you get hurting six five? Yeah? So yeah, that

468
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: I may look a rotation was messed up already with

469
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: Draymond out because we couldn't go small ball as much.

470
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: UM ended up being Andrea would have to play the five.

471
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: His back was really screwed up that series. He was

472
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: he was fighting back spasm as the whole series. A

473
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know he was probably at health

474
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Speaker 1: And then yeah, I felt like I was having a

475
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Speaker 1: really good series that that that one, you know, I

476
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: kind of came with a mentality of like I'm not

477
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Speaker 1: getting bench again, like that this this this final series.

478
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Speaker 1: And my numbers weren't off the page, but I was.

479
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: I had some oh boards, big O boards, but it

480
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: was more my paint presence, I felt like I'd block

481
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: Lebron a few times in game one and two, and

482
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Speaker 1: I felt like he was searching for me at times

483
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: when he was turned in the corner, he was looking

484
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Speaker 1: for where I was at, which is what I want,

485
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: right because I'd either block your shot, I'd be there

486
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: early trying to take a charge, or I just found

487
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: the shoot out of him was one of the three. Right.

488
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: So once I kind of got out of that, out

489
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: of that lineup, and then put a lot of pressure

490
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Speaker 1: on Fustness to play more minutes, and I felt like

491
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Lebron just started getting to the paint at ease, especially

492
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Speaker 1: you know game six and seven, and yeah, I felt like, look,

493
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have changed a series in game six or

494
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Speaker 1: seven completely, but I think just having that presence out

495
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: there for twenty minutes um definitely would have helped. But

496
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: the draymar thing just through out, just through our lineup

497
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Speaker 1: out and then you know, you come back to game six,

498
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: now line ups changed again, even their Draymond's back, I'm out. Uh,

499
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, the momentum shifted, and you got to give

500
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Speaker 1: Cleveland credit because they stole it. They definitely stole series,

501
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: and you give them credit because you know, we we

502
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: tried was a late game. Carry had a big shop,

503
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: but there were a lot of things that that kind

504
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: of went against this and we just couldn't. We couldn't

505
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: bounced back from that. What's the feeling like the helpless

506
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: feeling like like the year four, you were healthy, they

507
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: just chose to go in different way line up wise, right,

508
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: but now you're not healthy, so you can't physically be

509
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: out there. What what's and you were playing? What's what's

510
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: that feeling like? That was? That was horrible just because

511
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: it was the end of it was the championship year,

512
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: and it was just more from the point of like

513
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: from an individual point of view, I was I was

514
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: having a series, but I was having was blocking two

515
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: or three shots the game and rebounding well, and you know,

516
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I just felt like I was playing playing well. As

517
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, it all came together for me. But then

518
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: only that, not only that it was an injury that

519
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't take an injection for you know,

520
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: if it was something I could shootout with Quarta zone

521
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: or pain killer and keep playing. It was like my

522
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: knee was screwed. Like I was out six six weeks

523
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: barely made the Olympics, which was three or four months

524
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: later up and now that was more frustrating. There's nothing

525
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: uncle do um, you know, and just not to con

526
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: and be a cheerleader from the walker room. Attention. What's that?

527
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: But that was your last game as a Warrior too, right? Yeah?

528
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, came back but yeah in that in that

529
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: that that that era, okad came yeah, obviously, and then

530
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: then came back to that little retirement ceremony a couple

531
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: of seasons ago. Okay, so that season is done, you're injured,

532
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: and the free agency thing starts and they go and

533
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: get k d um. My personal opinion of it was

534
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: because because, as you pointed out, like Harrison Barnes, remember

535
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: how many open shots he had, open looks he had

536
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: that series, he didn't make them right. And so the

537
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: idea was like, as much as you guys are ahead

538
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: of the league with playing small, people are starting to

539
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: catch up. I think you guys did need k KP.

540
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if KD was the right fit, but

541
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I do feel like you needed him. But what did

542
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: what did you think of the KD move when it

543
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: happened and you're sitting there, it pops pin your phone.

544
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: What you think. I kind of knew it was in

545
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: the works for a long time. I mean I had

546
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: heard from some people that that was being discussed in

547
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: during the season, um before the report of dreamond stuff,

548
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I think it was I heard around

549
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: New Years there was a potential meeting I think in

550
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: that season around New Year's Year's Day somewhere around there.

551
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: So I think it was discussed, heard rumblings. But look,

552
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: if I'm the GM, I make that move all day

553
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: like I'm not my piece of the warriors. Like you know,

554
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I had some salary um holes on My last year

555
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: of the deal was twelve thirty millions, So then I

556
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: was odd man out. I had to move and you're

557
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: bringing Katie. You get that opportunity to do it all day. Um,

558
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. I got them two

559
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: more championships. Yeah, um okay. Then so then for you,

560
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: so now you go back to the Olympics and you're

561
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: kind of harbored. Was it still as much fun the

562
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: second time? It was? Was one? It was on the

563
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: second time. That was my third Olympics. But yeah, now

564
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: I played in Athens, O four, Beijing oh eight, I

565
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: was hurt twelve and then sixteen was rio. But yeah,

566
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: I just made it. To be honest, I wasn't. I

567
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere. Basically, had had a really bad bone bruise

568
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: where swelling on my knee. But what I didn't know

569
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: is what they missed on the scams was I tore

570
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: I tore my fib head um to a ligament of

571
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: the five head. It's kind of that pointy part of

572
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: the outside of your knee that that bulge is a

573
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: ligament that runs down the side there. Um. So I

574
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: tore that and that's what was giving me some issues.

575
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: And I came back just without a whole body of

576
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: work and played real well. Um. Early on in the Olympics,

577
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: playing really well, you know, almost had a Futuble Doubles,

578
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: was playing really good basketball. And then I just like

579
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: hit a hit a wall, like four or five games

580
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: in individually, like because I just had no fitness base

581
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: at all. I wasn't working out really because my playing,

582
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: our whole emotion and a caught up to me late

583
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: tournament and we we had a good run, um, but

584
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, we end up we end up finishing fourth.

585
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Um dubious call against Spain the bronze medal game when

586
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Patty Mills didn't get a bronze medal. But I mean

587
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the experience. It was this supporting not to

588
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: get the middle But you know, I probably came back

589
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: a little bit sooner than our shoot from the injury.

590
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what you do, right Yeah. Um.

591
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: The next couple of years were a mishmash, right like

592
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of different teams and and and pretty good

593
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: franchise righty Dallas and Cleveland, UM and the Lakers, and

594
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: then back with the Warriors to that short stint. But

595
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, as a guy who you know, you're a

596
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: starter an NBA championship team and now your body is

597
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: breaking down. What's going on in your mind as you're

598
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: going team to team and you're trying to just kind

599
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: of keep your body together. Yeah, I mean that was it.

600
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, my body probably the last three or four

601
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: years I probably should have retired. Um, but it's it's

602
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: hard to know that you can what you could do,

603
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: your body just won't allow you to do. On a

604
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: daily basis. I'd show flashes I have a great day

605
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: where I'm feeling good and everything comes together, but it's

606
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: just hard, and it was just the amount of time

607
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: I had to put in just to get ready for

608
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: a training session really got to me towards the end

609
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: of my career. Um, it was getting to an eleven

610
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: am session at nine am and you know, doing physio

611
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: and get some treatment and then hot packs and then

612
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: hot tubs and then stretching and then all this bullshit

613
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do. And you see these young fellows and

614
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: they just jump out of their car stretch for three minutes,

615
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: and then on the court, you know, that's where it

616
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: becomes much more of a grind. So yeah, like basically,

617
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: after the Warriors, still found at right in Dallas, then Cleveland.

618
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Broke my leg in Cleveland, and then that's why I decided,

619
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, come back, came back to the Lakers, and

620
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: then after that, decided I'm just going to play in

621
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: Australia for a couple of seasons. It's one or two

622
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: games a week, and didn't expect to go back to

623
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: the NBA. Kind of shut that door and didn't really

624
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't bother me. I've got more than I wanted out

625
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: of the NBA, and I wanted to spend more time

626
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: with the kids and all that kind of stuff. And

627
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: then when the Warriors team came up, and to be honest,

628
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: it was the only team I consider going back to

629
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: the point, a few other teams have cold, I wouldn't

630
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: have considered it. Just Golden State just made so much

631
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: sense because there was a lot of good friends I

632
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: had on that team, still a lot of good people

633
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: that I liked. So it all came together and I

634
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: took up the opportunity and there's some good I'm sorry, Yeah,

635
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: they got the opportunity as well. Right right after this

636
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: final season in the NBA before retired at a call

637
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: from three or four teams trying to bring me over again,

638
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: um to kind of fill in for the rest of

639
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: that that that you know, that season, and then the

640
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: coronavirus hit and they're all kind of dried up. But

641
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: that was something of potentially looking at to get to

642
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: the Olympics. But then once Olympics got postponed, that's when

643
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: I kind of made my decision to retire. Yeah, you said,

644
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: you're you're done, done, like they call you for after

645
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: the threats rund here, no Lakers. Lakers need to protector, right,

646
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: but looks like a shot. They're like, come on and like, no, man,

647
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: I've done. I'm content. Fourteen years in the NBA, two

648
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: in the nblor sixteen years pro. The body just said no,

649
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just been nice to wake up and

650
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: not be sare be able to play with my kids,

651
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: be able to go for a walk in the park

652
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: and push him on the swing, Whereas when I was

653
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: playing towards the end the last three or four years,

654
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: like it was literally from the gym home to lying

655
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: on my back stretching the lounge room for four hours,

656
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: or rolling out on my phone roll or just constantly

657
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: saw and hurting and affects your mood at times. Thinks

658
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: affects your mental So just get away from that and

659
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: being able to kind of just spend more time at

660
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: home with the kids have been good. Um, the nd A,

661
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: the NBL. When you come back to that, what because

662
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys. It's like when you it's

663
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: like the probably the big screen TV. Like once you

664
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: have a big, big old sixty sevento in TV and

665
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: then something puts a thirty two inch like used to

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: grow up in a thirty two inch You look at

667
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: you look down at what was it like for you

668
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: to go from very very peak a professional basketball to

669
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: playing back in your home country. I enjoyed it. I

670
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: knew it would be stepped down as far as organization

671
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: and money and somewhat. I mean, I have battles with

672
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: the league to stay some of the organizational stuff isn't

673
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: isn't a money issue. It's just an organizational issue, and

674
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: their battles were still happening to this day. But I

675
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. You know, it was going back to cities

676
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: and places that I kind of played when I was

677
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: a young fellow in Australia, somewhat retirement tour in away,

678
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: but I played a high level, especially my first year

679
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: when MVP of the league played really well. The team

680
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: that I joined was bottom to bottom three for like

681
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: three or four straight years and then we finally made

682
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: the top four, made the semifinals, so did okay, didn't

683
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: win a championship was disappointing, but I enjoyed. I enjoyed

684
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: the process and it was just good to be around

685
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: a strange fans would being part of um different parts

686
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: of my upbringing. You know, you might go to a

687
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: different city, play that team and then catch up with

688
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: someone or see someone that you haven't seen for fifty

689
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: and twenty years. So I enjoyed all that and I

690
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't change the kind of the path that I've taken.

691
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: And look, I said that it kept me in hormable,

692
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: it kept me in harm I know I'm gonna be

693
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: home Monday to Friday maybe all generally. And it just

694
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: gave me a whole lot more time with with two

695
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: young kids. The the Australian mentality, I feel like it's

696
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: the part that we're all end yourself, right. It's it's

697
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: just there's something about the no worries made like there's

698
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: just something about it, um I And I know you

699
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: still maintained it a lot when you're in the NBA,

700
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: but you're also, as you point out, like even with Delhi,

701
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: like you're a hardcore competitor, right like your friends become

702
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: your enemy. What was it like to adjust in your

703
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: mentality back to the Australian kind of whirst? Everybody kind

704
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: of thinks how you thought growing up or did it?

705
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: Has it changed and it's not the same as it

706
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: was when you grew up like that, that mentality from

707
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: living state in the States for so long and then

708
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: moving back full time to Australia. It's definitely fail Like

709
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: those a little young kids in this leave they're trying

710
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: to kick my ass And I was that old man.

711
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: It was not moving to well some games and I've

712
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: to give him a hard fail every now and then

713
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: to let him know. But um yeah, there's definitely a

714
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: valid point to that. The league is it's a competitive league,

715
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: and it's we have a lot of good imports coming

716
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: over now, a lot of fringe NBA four NBA players

717
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: which never used to get five six years ago, and

718
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: their strength conngigeon's always gonna battle. That's the thing you

719
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: know with this league that no matter where the talent

720
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: levels at, some guys might not be as talented, they're

721
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna hit. You're gonna hit you, and they're gonna they're

722
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna wrestle, you're gonna throw it to the ground. And

723
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: that was that was exactly the experience I had, you know,

724
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: and I think times we even got it. I probably

725
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: got it harder than most guys would just because a

726
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: lot of young players trying to make a name for

727
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: themselves in this league. By going on to a guy

728
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: that played in the NBA and won a championship and

729
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: had a pretty good career. What did you think of

730
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: when LaMelo ball came? What did you think of Lamello?

731
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd be this good. I'm not gonna lie,

732
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: you know for my sword on that one. I didn't

733
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: think he'd be this good this early. I knew, you

734
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: could see he has a real high basketball like you,

735
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: and he's very very good point at the point guard position,

736
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: had to pick and rolls. He always made the right

737
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: decision whether to shoot, hit the corner of three, whether

738
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: the roller, whether throw a lob. He just you could

739
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: see that he's three ball over here wasn't great. You know.

740
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: He shot a lot of those long logo threes and

741
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: a lot of bad ones in transition, and you just thought,

742
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: like his three just didn't look good. He didn't shoot

743
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: at a high clip. So I thought it's gonna take

744
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: him a couple of years to get that three ball

745
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: right and then he will start to really excel. But man,

746
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: he's being fantastic and he's fun to watch, you know,

747
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: he's he plays very very openly, and yeah, i'd be

748
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: lying over that. I thought he'd have this impact from

749
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: day one of the NBA um of that group of

750
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: the Warriors. Who's the best teammate as far as on

751
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: quarter off court? You pack either, Oh man. I mean

752
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: I got along really well with Harrison Barnes like we

753
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Um and I liked about Harrison. We're really good friends

754
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: from Dave dot He's kind of got a dry, sarcastic

755
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: sense of human much like myself. So we got a

756
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: long straight away because of that. I didn't really like

757
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: about Harrison is we discussed a lot of things that

758
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: were on basketball, whether they were social issues, political issues,

759
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: things in Australia, things in America, things from Owens Town,

760
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: and we the thing I liked about him, we disagreed

761
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: on a lot of things, Um, but it didn't didn't

762
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: change our friendship, didn't change our camaraderie, and we didn't

763
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: take a person I had different views on different things

764
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: instead of he and we would get in depth discussions

765
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: about him that would be actually a great podcast or

766
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: a great thing to interview sometimes. But it was the

767
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: way society should be those conversations, and I think we've

768
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: lost that a little bit now. If people disagree whether

769
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: it's about an NBA player in NBA team politics, social issues,

770
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: straightaway becomes toxic. Whereas the beauty of Harris and our

771
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: relationship was we could talk about anything and not not

772
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: offend each other, which was which was awesome. Yeah, that's amazing.

773
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: How do by the way, how does how do our fans,

774
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: at least in your area, how do they view everything

775
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: we're going through that as COVID political social issues? Like

776
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: what's what is it? What is it like to be

777
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: somebody who all right, you you spend a bunch of

778
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: time there, you know what it's like, right, Like what

779
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: how did they view us? Well, it's hard. All we

780
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: get is what's on seeing in on Fox News, right,

781
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: So it's like you can't really explain there's still you know,

782
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: there's there's problems everywhere in the world. We we we

783
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: usually get what what have you guys are going through?

784
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: We get five years later. So I'm just waiting, just

785
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: waiting over here. We we we really follow what's going

786
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: on in America like that. But I mean it's just

787
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: a strange time like I've never seen, you know, even

788
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: in Australia like this, just a sense of vision in

789
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: society today. You know, it's not good, it's not healthy. Um,

790
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, people can't disagree on things without at

791
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: being toxicn start throwing labels on why. Why do you

792
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: think that is? Because my experience is the same experience

793
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: you have, Like you know, I've played in locker rooms.

794
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: Rather is the only white dude. Are one of the

795
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: only white dudes. I've never had any issue, and you

796
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: know I'm almost always been the only except when I

797
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: played in Israel. There's never any Jewish guys on the team. Right,

798
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: So you're you're already disagreeing on religion, on race, whatever, politics.

799
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's become so so divisive? I

800
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the media doesn't doesn't help it.

801
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of you know, whether you're

802
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: one side, you know, you just look at the scene

803
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: in and Fox News equivalent, Right, they're both the somewhat

804
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the extremes on both sides. People that watched the end

805
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: are like, we're not the extremes are the extremes. People

806
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: to watch Fox News like, we're not the extremes are

807
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: You're just like, you're not gonna get anywhere. It's just

808
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna be constant division. We do it over sports so

809
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: too now, right, we put it, we put one guy

810
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: one side, debate the topics and then there's no the

811
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: world is gray. It's not why the girl is gray. Yeah,

812
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: but it was. Sports is a little bit different. Once

813
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: it becomes people that you know, you can throw ship

814
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: at sports tars because don't really know them or it

815
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: doesn't really affect you that much. But once it starts

816
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: talking about religion, race, color, creed, all that kind of stuff,

817
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: or social issues or even tax issues, whatever it is, right,

818
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: that's when it it becomes toxic. And it's like, my

819
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, just have an adult discussions where

820
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to agree with everyone and kind of

821
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: you come out with the best solution, or you know,

822
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: you might have have a conversation with someone that you

823
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you think, I'm not going to agree with one thing

824
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: they say, and then you're like, oh, actually there was

825
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: one thing that there was a valid point. But you know,

826
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: it seems like society based on team politics, which I

827
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: absolutely can't stand. People that are that support politicians or

828
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: political parties like a sporting team are absolute morons, and

829
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: then they are a big part of the problem. Whether

830
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: it's left, right, middle whatever, I don't care. Um if

831
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: you can't look at an issue without your political lenses

832
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: on on what you believe with that issue. I believe

833
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: this issue is wrong because but if you're like, oh,

834
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: it's right because my party said it was right, you're idiot.

835
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: And that's that's where we are. That's why it's that's

836
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: why it's so toxic. It's just like I just don't

837
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: see no end to it. It's almost like you're better

838
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: off just turn it off, you know, the news, because

839
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: you know you can't. There's there's no even just reporting.

840
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Like let's say there's a train accident somewhere hypothetically in

841
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: the world, it'll be spun into well, in that state,

842
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: this political party runs the train, so it's their fault,

843
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: just like what you know, where where are we going? Like,

844
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: And that's why I just kind of I really pushed

845
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: back against it. Um. I'm against most sides of politics,

846
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and I get a lot

847
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: of ship for it, but I'm okay with it. Um.

848
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Shacker Duncan who is hurted to Oh, I got shocked

849
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: towards the end of his career, so he was probably

850
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: like I was, towards the end of mind, hurting and

851
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: probably struggling to get through day by day. So he

852
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: gave me thirty six one night when he was with

853
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Phoenix when he must have been feeling good. So I

854
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: saw the bat into that. But um, Duncan was just yeah,

855
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: he was just so clinical. Man, he had so much

856
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: ship to him, and yeah, you just knew once he

857
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: once he caught on that block and turned and faced

858
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: you were like, oh ship, what's he going to hit

859
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: me with? You know? So I battled him pretty well

860
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: at times. I felt like I matched up pretty well

861
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: against him. But yeah, he was just so fundamental and

862
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: so good and he could have a bad thirty six

863
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: minutes and then have a four minute stretch where he

864
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: turns a basketball game. So both within their own right,

865
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: are really really good. But I didn't you know, Orlando

866
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: shack and lake is shack. Oh. I can only imagine

867
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: trying to guard him weighing two fifty pounds. Yeah he

868
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: was case. So he was so athletic too, right, like yeah,

869
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: big but so crazy when he was younger, and he

870
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: knows how to playoff people. Take away all right, he

871
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: was big and strong and bullied people, but he could

872
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: pass man and he could read the game like he

873
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: had a high basketball like you where he you know,

874
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: especially the Lakers out of that triangle. You watch a

875
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: lot of their sets. He made some fantastic passes out

876
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: of out of the triangle. So he wasn't your prototypical

877
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: big strong fully he had a bit of ships with

878
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: him too. Um, who's like the guy who's the toughest

879
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: cover for you that we wouldn't give me a guy

880
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: who gave you fits, but we went listened as one

881
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: of the all time grades, Like, man, I could not

882
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: that was a guy where he struck. I think he's

883
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: close to an all time great. But yeah, I mean

884
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: for me was dude, like, he's a frustrating shout of

885
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: me because he was seven six, he had the shooting

886
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: touch of a guard, and they were games and I

887
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: was in Milwaukee World. I'd got him textbook perfectly. Push

888
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: him off the block, step off. You know, he's trying

889
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: to back me down. He doesn't move me, and then

890
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: he turns shoots a fade away over a contested hand.

891
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Mind you my hand. He's probably only to his like

892
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: chin because he's so big and just nets it. You're right, man,

893
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do here? Like you look

894
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: at a coach like sent a double team. Goddamn. I

895
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: did everything I could So he was a guy that

896
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I really struggled with, just because you know, I generally

897
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: got really good at guard big strong, power guys that

898
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: would try to get close to the room because I

899
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: could take a charge. I'd messed with him. I hit

900
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: him really hard and then they tried to hit me back.

901
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I take a charge and play that mental game. But yeah,

902
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I was really well balanced and just had an unbelievable

903
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: shooting touch. Now was like did Brad Millar was because

904
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: he was like a bad version of you right where

905
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: he foul the crap out of people and play that

906
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: mental game. How did you play against guys who like

907
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: were poor man's versions of what you did? Defensively know,

908
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: the shoot out of me? Just like I annoyed I

909
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: annoyed the stars, like you got guys like like a

910
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: Reggie Eddens or someone like that. Like I always mentioned

911
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: him because his junk guard dog had no role other

912
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: than just like pissing off whoever he was guiding, grabbing, rebound,

913
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: sitting screens, holding, grabbing. I mean, I think he's the

914
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: guy that grabbed Chris came as not Speck in the day.

915
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: He would do anything anything he could, like to piss

916
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you off. And he was a guy that I'd get

917
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: frustrated with a favorite. Um okay, uh the height? What

918
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: does it feel like to foul somebody really hard? Like

919
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: dude comes down lane you on the deck? What what

920
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: does that that? That feel that like it's got to

921
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: be a bad ass and get you know, and you

922
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: know guys are they always pop up and he was

923
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: getting your face and say something. You've got enough flinch, right?

924
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: What's that feeling like? Nothing not necessually happened? Nothing? First

925
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: of all, the b A people usually get up and

926
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: try to fight you once their teammates have got next

927
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: to them and they can hold them back, and then

928
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, nothing's gonna happen. Like it's just one like

929
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: one out of a thousand might end up where a

930
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: guy like runs around to the other teams locker and

931
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: actually tries to do something. But even that now is

932
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: orchestrated where like you're not getting through the fifteen security guards.

933
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I would always. I wouldn't just

934
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: do it just to do it. I'd do it if

935
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a guy was talking ship or you know, trying to

936
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: trying to be smart with me. I wouldn't really say

937
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot of talk back. But then I'll just

938
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: make a mental note of it. Like if they've come

939
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: down the lane and try and dunk on me, or

940
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: god for a layoup, I'm just gonna take a free

941
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: one um. Or if we were playing like ship and

942
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: needed something to roll us up, we would start a

943
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: little fight like Drandmon and I Weland and tour Is

944
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: for it would just lay someone out and then it

945
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: would roll us up. They get rolled up. She talking

946
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: this that, and then it felt like, you know, it

947
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: will carry on to the rest of the team and

948
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: would fire up and win the game. Better shoot Claire

949
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: step oh man, I think Clay catch and shoot Clay

950
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: step off the dribble. That's the thing about Staffa that

951
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: he goes left, he goes right, and he catches shoots

952
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: right like most guys are supposed to be. He only

953
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: does one thing, but he just there's not and then

954
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: the race he can get his Clay can get his

955
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: catch and shoot off on anyone. But that's that's something

956
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: with Clay like I've seen I've seen guys close him

957
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: out chest to chest, perfect stick stands and he just

958
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: holds that ball up above his head and just wax

959
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: it in where stiff kind of needs a bit more

960
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: space in separation. But I mean, look, on Monday, you'd

961
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: say Steff. On Tuesday you'd say Clay. But I think

962
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: if I had to really pick, I'd say Clay. For

963
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: if he said catch and shooting step step off, the

964
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: dribble was just unbelievable. Yeah, I mean gotta be sometimes

965
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: when you're sitting out there, like I cannot believe I'm

966
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: watching the ship what these guys are doing? Oh man?

967
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: And that was like you go back to my moving screens.

968
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I knew if I could just get

969
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: an eye odor of a hit on someone just to

970
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: make them change their route by like ten degrees, I

971
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: used to with not the shutdown, because I just like

972
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: I just need to give you that that that split

973
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: MILLI sick and of space, and that's why I would

974
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: just that Will. That's all I would thank on, Like

975
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: even if we're sticking my butt out late, just to

976
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: make him take that extra little bit of a route,

977
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: it's it's cash for Steff. So that was an art.

978
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: It is an art that you that you kind of

979
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: perfected right to the the ability to move just enough

980
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: where it's not so blatant. They have to call it right.

981
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: It's not so violent that it, you know, dislodged it

982
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: that just enough to where you clip the guy and

983
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and and again it's kind of the same thing. Once

984
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: you clip the guy. Once they're not running through your screen,

985
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: they're going around you. They're changing their angle like that's

986
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: an that's an art. It is And I feel like

987
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I told Rahma on that pretty well, he's doing a

988
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: fantastic job of it. But the thing I used to

989
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: look four was like the guy guiding whoever I'm screening,

990
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: did he put his hands on me to get around

991
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: the screen. This is where I put a ref in

992
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: a bind. Technically that's a foul right. You can't touch

993
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: a screen and you can't grab my hips or whatever.

994
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: So as soon as I felt then no, no, I

995
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: would just start. I would stand up and walk them

996
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: back like so I would be moving. He's family, he's

997
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: holding my hips. So a lot of times the ref

998
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: would be like you're holding him. So the ones that

999
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't really get away with were you're like you

1000
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: Carl Lowry is or something like that, who would just

1001
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: bulldogs and would just try to chase and you throw

1002
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: a hip. You get that call all day, but the

1003
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: one that will put the rest in the mind was

1004
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: that one. And I would walk guys sometimes like a

1005
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: good three ft and be like he's holding me, and

1006
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: then step we just have a perfect route to get

1007
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: an open shot. So and the other thing is if

1008
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: you're moving almost every other place, they're only get a

1009
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: call two or three of them. The games you'll get

1010
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: away with the other seven or eight out they can't call.

1011
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: They can't call everyone exactly right. The ratist Australian basketball

1012
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: player Everest Hill, it's gonna be Ben Simmons. Probably he's

1013
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: already you know, he's he's early Australian to make the

1014
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: All Star team, so he's he's already there. In my opinion,

1015
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: I think up there as while you'd have myself, you'd

1016
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: have Luke Longley, Patty Mills and Joe Ingle was having

1017
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: a really good view this year. Um, so they're probably

1018
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: the five right now. And your bench you'd have Aaron

1019
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Bain's and Delhi would be on the bench somewhere. Um.

1020
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: It is interesting like that the uh Joe's Joe ingles

1021
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a guy who's had like the

1022
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: Clippers cut it like literally just released him. That was

1023
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: when they need the three men desperately. They ended up

1024
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: getting who did they get ended up with Jeff Green

1025
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: when Dudley and Jared Dudley first and then they did

1026
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: um Luke wish was there? Yeah, four team in mind,

1027
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, they they had their means. If there's anyone

1028
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: that would have fit in, well, imagine, imagine you've got

1029
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, j j Reddick, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan's Joe

1030
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: Inglesn't that three like you're you're probably you're probably going

1031
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: to a championship or close to like that was the

1032
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: guy they needed. You know, from three you can actually

1033
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: take him, put Chris off the ball, get him arrest

1034
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: and put the ball in Joe's hands to round picking

1035
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: roles with DeAndre like the Joe Ingles Rudy Gobert is

1036
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: really effective. Picking Roll like they had their guy, but

1037
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: it was that stigma of he wasn't in the league

1038
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: and they still want him. What's next for you right now?

1039
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Just chilling out, just waiting for the world to somewhat

1040
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: You're back to normal like most people. So it's kind

1041
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: of hard to pick one thing to do. Um figuring

1042
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: out where I'm gonna be on terms the priority right now.

1043
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: Kids starts called next year, so we're figuring that out.

1044
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Start out the podcast. So everyone listening at Rogbogs Rock

1045
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Bogs podcasts, we kind of door by to cool ship,

1046
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: start getting some guests on as well. M's let yourself.

1047
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll get involved in basketball some capacity down

1048
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: the line, wint b n b A A dad will

1049
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: be professional just because of the travel right now with

1050
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: kids in school, but I'll be involved in the game

1051
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: and just just enjoy not having to do something every day,

1052
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: just just and kind of do what I want at

1053
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: the moment. How do you if one of your kids

1054
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: wants to play basketball? How are you going to hit up?

1055
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I can do whatever they want. I'm not I'm not.

1056
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those guys. I'd loving to play basketball,

1057
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I think, and probably bring out a bit of emotion

1058
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: if they wanted to play and be serious about it.

1059
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be one of those parents like

1060
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: you have to do this, so you have to do that.

1061
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: Do whatever you enjoy, you know, like tennis, golf, you're

1062
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: playing tims on a sport. Whether you want to be

1063
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: a sports person or not, You're gonna play sport because

1064
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna teach you about a lot of

1065
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: different things in life, especially when you're losing, which I

1066
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: guess is controversial to say these days. You kind of

1067
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: kids losing these days because it's just boggles my mind

1068
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: with parents, it does right, like like you learned, you

1069
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: know you have to learn. But look, yeah, I mean

1070
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: so I coach, I have like elevens through four teams whatever,

1071
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: and we we you know, we lose games or guys

1072
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: do my My son's eleven. He plays some twelves and

1073
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: some thirteens whatever. He's a little guy. But you know,

1074
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: we had a tournament where we're up three late and

1075
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: we're holding for a team to foul, hold, get a

1076
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: lay up or get foutever get foul, and he takes

1077
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: corner three and he makes it. He's, you know, trotting

1078
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: back down the course. We'll get done with again, Like

1079
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What do you mean? Bro? We're

1080
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: up three time in score, like you'd not a shot?

1081
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: That was like no, So he's like, I got you,

1082
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: I got you, no problem. Next game, next game we're

1083
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: up four, same situation and uh he catches it open

1084
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: it's like eleven seconds ago in the game, so we're

1085
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: pretty set whatever. He shoots it and I was like,

1086
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He's like two possession game we're

1087
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: up for. It's like my losing my mind? Do we

1088
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: not just have an assession? But you know, and then

1089
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: they have to like good, you have to experience the

1090
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: preak like missing free throws to lose a game, Like

1091
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a healthy thing. Can just win

1092
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: every game in life. It doesn't teach you, no doubt. Yeah,

1093
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: there's values in there's values to learn from winning, winning,

1094
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: winning the right way and and being you know, a

1095
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: good winner. Um, and then the same with losing right like,

1096
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: and that's what I think, you know, in these helicopter

1097
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: parents and just people in general. You know, there's I

1098
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: don't know how he's over there where you are, but

1099
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of junior sports here now that are

1100
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: trying not to keep score and all that bullshit. Like

1101
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: kids know number one, kids know they score, Like so

1102
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: you cannot put on the scoreboard. It's not changing ship,

1103
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: but to try and like bubble your kids. But like, oh,

1104
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: we don't want kids going home thinking they lost the game.

1105
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: They didn't lose the game, like, and the only way

1106
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna learn how to get better is by losing,

1107
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: because in that next week before the next game, they're

1108
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: better put some working, right, It's common sense, simple logic.

1109
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: But you know, we're at a point now where you

1110
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: know that's grown upon Whereas with my kids it's like,

1111
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, my son cries like you lose the stuff

1112
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: and four years old, and whether it's against me or

1113
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: even the younger brother, you'll lose and cry. It's like, well,

1114
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: by look, what are you kind of about? Like try

1115
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: harder next time? Um, and you know, put some work

1116
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: in during the week and you'll get better. And that's

1117
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: deemed hash from two thousand and twenty one. I guess

1118
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about this, okay, but part of

1119
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: the loss of the Calves was on the back of

1120
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: coming back from three one down to be the thunder. Okay,

1121
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: so so let's let's let's well, well, let's dial with

1122
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: that back for a second. Okay. Well, when you guys

1123
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: are down three games to one, what was the was

1124
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: there any panic? Of course, there was some panty no

1125
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: born you know, okay, see we're born there Kde Russell

1126
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: was playing really well, um they're playing Robeson was having

1127
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: a good series defensively, so we were like ship, like,

1128
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: we need to figure something out real quick. And that

1129
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: series was basically over until Clay just went bananas, you know,

1130
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: and brought us back in that game. I still remember

1131
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: we were the um behind our bench to Oklahoma City fans.

1132
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how long was left when we're down

1133
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: five six ninety seconds. Maybe oh came down and started

1134
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: like abused it, like see you guys later, enjoying flying

1135
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: home all that bullshit. And then you turned around most

1136
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: cleaned off those shots. In the whole stand was empty.

1137
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: But and that was that wasn't even a steal a series.

1138
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: That was just the thing to get us back in

1139
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: the series. So they you after that they missed their chance.

1140
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: But um, yeah you could say that. You know that

1141
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: beat us in the os coming back to the finals. Um,

1142
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: it felt like to me what you guys did was

1143
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: you put you and Draymond and like you didn't guard.

1144
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: It was just you're basically two guys were always you

1145
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: always put two on the ball with k D. A

1146
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: pressure up on KDI and put two on the ball.

1147
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: It's almost like a two man. So is that what

1148
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: was happening somewhat. We just we just wanted to make

1149
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: especially if Adams or one of the bigs was in

1150
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: a pick a rule. We wanted to get into Katie early,

1151
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: even Westbrook at times, to make him throw it to

1152
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: that big earlier, so then that big we then have

1153
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: to make a play, so that big was catching it

1154
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: above the free throw line and then had to like

1155
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: make a couple of dribbles to get to the rim

1156
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: or make the right pass. We'd rather that happen than

1157
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: anything else that they were trying to do. So if

1158
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: we had that that blitz late or kind of in

1159
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: a drops where you've got Adams rolling and he's closer

1160
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: to the bucket and about to catch it, that's a

1161
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: dangerous spot because you want to just dunk on you.

1162
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: So we made that adjustment for the series. It helped us.

1163
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: But in the day, you know, our star players made

1164
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: chops to get us back in that series. It wasn't

1165
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: anything that we changed partifically defensively. It was just having

1166
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: insane That's what I mean. It was. Yeah, it was

1167
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: just that was a crazy Clay's notorious for having those

1168
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: six seven minute burst and that one was that was ridiculous,

1169
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: Like he was making some some stuff he was making.

1170
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: You were just like, man, even Steff, you've step shocked

1171
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: at some of the shots you're making, like you know,

1172
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're making some crazy stuff. Okay, So

1173
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: now years later, which is a more prominent memory obviously

1174
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: once the finals, coming from three one down or losing

1175
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: up three one, I want to think about the Huklover

1176
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: Series as much, anywhere near as much as the finals.

1177
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: The finals, the finals, like you have a chance to

1178
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: go back to back, get a second ring, you know,

1179
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: really solidified at seventies three and nine. We didn't do it.

1180
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean it hurts to this day, still hurts, It

1181
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: will hurt forever. But I'm thankful that from one of

1182
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: the few players that many to get a championship reading

1183
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: the first place. Okay, last thing. I promised, last thing.

1184
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: And you played for you know, the Warriors one champions

1185
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: to play a little bit for the Lakers. Right, You've

1186
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: been everywhere number one overall pick represent your country in

1187
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: the Olympics, like you've done so many different things. Now

1188
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: you're back home, you retired, you got flight, family, kids,

1189
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: and you grew up in a very normal lower middle

1190
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: income suburb. Your dad was a mechanic, right, And now

1191
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's a multiple question. When you go to

1192
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: the A t M. Do you ever checked the balance?

1193
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: Not at the A t M. No, I checked my balance,

1194
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, almost daily. Well, I manage all my own investments,

1195
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: so um, I don't check it to check it on

1196
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: paying bills. And you know, I've got a bunch of

1197
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: different things on board business wise, um, you know, in

1198
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the startup space and tech space, real estate blah blah

1199
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So I know I know where all

1200
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: my ships at all times. So if there's a penny missing,

1201
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm coming after someone. Are you your bitcoin game? I

1202
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: have some bigcoin? Yeah, yeah, I have some big coin

1203
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: I had. I bought some many many years ago, not

1204
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: when it was you know, I bought at a probably

1205
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: at its high, about two or three years ago. And

1206
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: then I have a friend it was actually involved in

1207
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: the NBA with the Dallas Mavericks her el boss and

1208
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: he's he's big on big coins. He told me to

1209
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: buy some more, buy some more, trust me, buy some more.

1210
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: And that was that was probably three or four months ago. Now,

1211
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: so I've done pretty well on that as well. But

1212
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I have a little bit yea, and I like I've

1213
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: read up a little bit on it. Um Day is

1214
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: actually huge into it now, so he did a big

1215
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: thesis paper on it. Um. But it is looking like

1216
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: the way the world is going. It makes total sense

1217
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: if you understand you're testing test I have test I

1218
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: had Tesla stock many many years ago. Yes I still do.

1219
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: I have some some friends that are friends with Ellen

1220
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: and they they heavily recommended that I buy some Testa

1221
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: stock back then. So I did pretty well with that

1222
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: as well. So what's the one that you knew? This

1223
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: one's got a hit and it was a stinker. I

1224
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: haven't had any huge stinkers. Um. This company in Australia

1225
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: called Telstra, which is our like a telecommunications company, basically

1226
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: the number one company here for phone line, internet, all

1227
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. And I bought them years ago

1228
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: and they've just been absolutely horrible since I bought him. Um,

1229
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: that's a bad one, nothing really bad. I mean, I'm

1230
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: invested in a few startups that have gone belly up.

1231
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: Um small amounts, smaller amounts, but Coffee Company out of

1232
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: of SFA out of Melbourne, Cocky in the copy and

1233
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: one spake. Yeah, what made a mistake. But it was

1234
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: interesting content. It was like an automated coffee machine thing.

1235
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 1: I went blowy with the details, but it made sense.

1236
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: It just I couldn't get an attraction in the market,

1237
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me storce to take the machines, and then

1238
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: bye bye gone. So I've definitely had some losses. Um,

1239
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: but I'd like to feed my portfolios. Find it positive

1240
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: that it is negative, no question. And I bring it

1241
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: up because this was the last question. Is money is

1242
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: not a problem. And you're not a guy who lives.

1243
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: You're not You're not rolling fifteen cars deep or whatever.

1244
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: Here you are. We'll collector cars today and they go up. Okay, okay, okay,

1245
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: but then it takes us out your favorite collective cars.

1246
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: What the car you have? Most of my stuff is

1247
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: Australian must cars, so you wouldn't be familiar with them.

1248
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: But my American would be. I have a nine Ford Boss,

1249
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: so um, all original. You know they're they're big time

1250
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: collector cars for people to know their cars. Um okay. So,

1251
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: but like if you want to buy something, you walk

1252
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: down the street, you look in the window, like I

1253
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: want to buy it. What's that feeling like in terms

1254
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: of I under say, money is not everything, and you're

1255
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: not somebody who lives to show off your money, right,

1256
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: it's what is that like? To never really worry about

1257
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: Money's you know, an unbelievable thing to have, Like it's

1258
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be very thankful for it. I didn't think

1259
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: I'd ever been in this position as a young fellow. Um.

1260
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: I remember looking through like toy catalogs as a kid,

1261
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, when I was five, six, seven, eight years old,

1262
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: and I'd circle, Okay, you can pick one toy on

1263
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: each page in my hypothetical world that you can have,

1264
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, and UM, to be an opportunity to not

1265
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: only for myself and for the kids, to not have

1266
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: any worries about a mortgage payment or we can't go

1267
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: on a holiday this year because we don't have the funds,

1268
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: like a lot of people through coronavirus doing it tough.

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Speaker 1: But one thing I've learned along the way, Um, the

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Speaker 1: material things are great, but they don't that's not really

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Speaker 1: the value you get from your money. It's experiences. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what I'm starting to learn. Like it's like

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Speaker 1: being able to go to different things I went to

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Speaker 1: the quarium here in Melbourn yesterday with the kids, and

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Speaker 1: just being able to do those experiences while other people

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Speaker 1: are working. That's what the value we're having money is

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Speaker 1: being able to visit places in the world that you

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Speaker 1: might you know, most people don't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see or put together a nice birthday party for your

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Speaker 1: children or whatever it is, right, I think there those

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Speaker 1: things are more important than a nice watch or a

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Speaker 1: nice car, and you kind of learn that kind of

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Speaker 1: towards the end of your journey in life. Usually most

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Speaker 1: people that have money will tell you that with the

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Speaker 1: fifty sixty. But I'm in a unique situation where I'm

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Speaker 1: retired as quote unquote and can understand that at an

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Speaker 1: early age. How do you how do you get you?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can, but like you

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01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: were hungry and you want to kick everybody's ass when

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Speaker 1: you were coming up, and part of it was people told,

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Speaker 1: you know, people told you weren't good enough. So now

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Speaker 1: your kids, through no fault to their own, they're kind

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Speaker 1: of gonna have maybe not everything, but to have everything

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Speaker 1: they need. How do you This is the question a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who have any sort of affluence who

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Speaker 1: are who accomplisating How do you have that hunger? How

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Speaker 1: do you establish the hunger for your child, whether you

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Speaker 1: had it when you were coming out. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: hard one because they're gonna be the rich kid of

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Speaker 1: the team, right, So you have to get starts at

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Speaker 1: home with your parents, Like you gotta make them work

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Speaker 1: for stuff, Like we make them put their toys away.

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Speaker 1: I stopped my wife. I hate when my wife cleans

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Speaker 1: up off my kids. I hate it. Not to keep

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Speaker 1: in mind that two and four, but I've got the

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Speaker 1: two and a half year old knowing that you make

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Speaker 1: a mess with the toys, you keep all those legos out,

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Speaker 1: you're putting all the ship back you found it, like

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Speaker 1: you know, and whether it's done immediately after or before bed,

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Speaker 1: like it's gonna get done, you're not going And a

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Speaker 1: lot of times it's like before bed, I'll make him

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Speaker 1: go back in the toy room and clean all that

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Speaker 1: shot up, because I think you just need to cherish

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Speaker 1: what you've got, work for you've got. But no, like

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Speaker 1: it's not We're not just going to clean clean up

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Speaker 1: after you. And that's a small thing to kind of

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Speaker 1: mix in with what we're talking about. But that's where

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Speaker 1: it starts. You know, if you start doing everything for him,

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Speaker 1: I'll get to the sporting level and like, hey, can

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Speaker 1: you make the basket for me? Hey can you win

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Speaker 1: the game for me? Like, no, you're gonna do this ship,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think it starts at home. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the argument of a mom and

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Speaker 1: a dad relationship and why I think it's so important

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Speaker 1: where you know, is I'm kind of harder on the

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Speaker 1: kids with that stuff, and then the mom is really

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Speaker 1: good with the nurturing side, and that's I think our quality. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like email is a really good at nurturing and

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Speaker 1: probably overdoing that to an extent, whereas males are a

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Speaker 1: more the man of the house is more like you know,

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Speaker 1: the kid group break he's on, You're like, get up,

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Speaker 1: You'll be right, you know, like, yeah, went too far

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Speaker 1: that way. That's why, you know, I think, you know

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Speaker 1: mom and dad's life, you have that you already kind

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Speaker 1: of ahead of the curb. And and that's what I

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Speaker 1: kind of really still with the kids. He's making sure

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Speaker 1: like there's no free rides around here, Like you do

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Speaker 1: something bad, I'm gonna tell you about it. You're something good.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about it, but you're gonna carry

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Speaker 1: your own weight around the house like as as as

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Speaker 1: soon as you can. Essentially, man, I can't tell how

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Speaker 1: how thankful I am for your time. Like the last

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Speaker 1: thing you wan't be doing is talking to me. But

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Speaker 1: we've been trying to do this for a while, and

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Speaker 1: we had again, and you're harding to get an the

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Speaker 1: popement you're harding to get. It was it was like

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Speaker 1: you give me a time like I'm coaching basketball that day,

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Speaker 1: but like you, actually you're out ahead of it like

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm applied by the see of my pants. But

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Speaker 1: we got it done. And if you ever need me

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Speaker 1: on your part, if we don't want to do it again,

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Speaker 1: you let me know. And but more than anything, man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for your time and your knowledge and your honesty.

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Speaker 1: I truly appreciate no worries anytime. Thanks. Okay. Uh. Now

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Speaker 1: you've heard his story where he is as of now

1356
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Speaker 1: and so many honest, interesting thoughts from a dude who's

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Speaker 1: lived an incredible life and now, as you know, part

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Speaker 1: two to try and figure it out. I encourage you

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Speaker 1: to download his podcast because he tells his stories and

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Speaker 1: even more intricate detail. What a great dude, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the guy you want to have? Like the

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Speaker 1: fact that he drinks coffee And then we had a

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Speaker 1: copy discussions. Great love to have a cup of coffee

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Speaker 1: with him sometime. Maybe I'll do that fight Melbourne and

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Speaker 1: have a cup of coffee anyway. Reminder um download, subscribe, rate,

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Speaker 1: writer review, Tell a friend about this. We got good

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Speaker 1: We got good stuff working here. And I do apologize

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Speaker 1: the language sometimes bothered you. Just a real organic conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieban. This

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Speaker 1: is album