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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. Face is Cleveland Browns Daily on eight

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's you're a live on a first Friday

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Speaker 2: miracle edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 3: I am merely Bo. That's the great Z. Howre you living, buddy?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: You and I were texting last night and watching one

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Speaker 4: of the great programs that's every produced.

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Speaker 3: I think in you as far did you get in

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Speaker 3: full two? Full two?

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Speaker 2: That's what I did too, And I honestly I I'm

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Speaker 2: a little under the weather and so I was tired. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I finished the second one at like we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Jerry Doc, the Dallas Coumer in America's team that

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Speaker 2: dropped this.

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Speaker 3: It dropped.

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Speaker 2: You made me aware of it, and then Tim May,

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Speaker 2: the legendary scribe of the of Ohio State. You guys

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Speaker 2: texted me within five minutes of each other to remind

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Speaker 2: me it was on. I'd forgotten or that it became available,

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Speaker 2: and so I started it almost immediately upon receiving your texts.

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Speaker 2: And you know, look, I think you have a expectation

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Speaker 2: of what something can be, and then and even the

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Speaker 2: loftiest of expectations. I mean, it is a subject matter

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Speaker 2: that I find endlessly fascinating. It's a subject matter that

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Speaker 2: where men were forty we lived through. We remember it

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Speaker 2: as kids, but we remember it very well. And yet

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Speaker 2: I learned a bunch of stuff. You know, what really

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Speaker 2: started for me was when I was watching Landman last

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Speaker 2: winter and he paratrooped in with Billy, Bob Thornton and

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Speaker 2: John Hamm and like out stole the scene, out acted them.

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Speaker 2: And then you realize, oh, he's just telling his story.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's so cool about it, Like it's worts and all.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like Dale Hanson was a critic critic

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Speaker 2: of him in Dallas consistently, dale Hanson's in it, because

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Speaker 2: you can't do a documentary in the Dallas Cowboys without

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Speaker 2: Dale Hanson. Yeah, local television guy down there, like he

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Speaker 2: was in it, and he was in it prominently. It

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Speaker 2: is sensational. I worry that it's gonna get lost, and

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Speaker 2: there's so much going on for us to consume this

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Speaker 3: But it is perfection. It's perfection. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: word I kept using.

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Speaker 2: It was perfect it is. It was the opening scene,

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Speaker 2: him telling the.

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Speaker 4: Story of the drilling and when the oil started gushing

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Speaker 4: and the sounds that would make, and then he's like,

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Speaker 4: and I knew right then I was gonna put that oil.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna buy the Dallas Cowboys. I'm like, this

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Speaker 3: is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: You and we wouldn't have known it because we were

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Speaker 2: young at the time. But I had no idea how

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Speaker 2: overleveraged he was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's fifteen million in debt in the eighties, in

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Speaker 4: the eighties, and he was a big he was dropping

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Speaker 2: He was losing a million month on the franchise. Like

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Speaker 2: I had no He seemed to me as a kid,

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Speaker 2: it seemed like, you know, here was you know, a

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Speaker 2: lot like how they described it, a carpetbagger who flew

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Speaker 2: in at all this money and just bought what he bought,

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Speaker 2: And you didn't realize that he was completely leveraged by it.

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Speaker 4: Well, and it also happened so quickly, so like a

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Speaker 4: watching it. But I mean, if you buy a team

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Speaker 4: in eighty nine and you win a super Bowl in

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Speaker 4: ninety two and they were the worst team, that's a

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Speaker 2: From one in fifteen in year one with Jerry and

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Speaker 4: All right, did you and then ninety three and then

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Speaker 4: ninety five? Did you have any frame of reference or

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Speaker 4: any recollection of Tom Landry getting like a farewell gone raid?

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Speaker 2: I mean, could you imagine that happening today?

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Speaker 3: There were two hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 4: Belichick didn again that. Yes, it was like a super

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Speaker 2: There were two hundred thousand people in downtown Dallas to

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Speaker 2: I had no recollection of that. Here's what I did remember,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember that. I remember watching that. That

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He's like interrub, He's sitting in the middle of Texas

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Speaker 2: would never happen now, you would never see somebody do that. No,

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Speaker 2: And another one I didn't obviously had no point of

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Speaker 3: He says, it's like Christmas Day for me. He's like,

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Speaker 4: What about his family's got every role and has had

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Speaker 3: Since he's been in there.

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Speaker 4: He basically like put his family in there, all right,

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Speaker 4: w is incredible.

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Speaker 3: Dub's incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 4: I rewound it three times and Kayla didn't quite understand

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Speaker 4: my delight. But when he gave the line about why

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Speaker 4: there was the hole in the stadium so that God

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Speaker 4: could watch his favorite team, the Dallas Cows, and he

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Speaker 2: It was just like Farrell when Farrell will do the

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, this guy Dubbs is just he's got

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Speaker 2: That's the first words were from him. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: The open, and then the backdrops are us into these

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Speaker 3: Like I mean, Michael Irvin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that anybody loves Michael Irvin

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Speaker 2: And we fell in love with Irv. I always loved him.

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Speaker 2: I loved him at Miami. They were just so brash.

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Speaker 3: I remember all of that stuff, and Jimmy all of it.

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Speaker 2: And so when they went to the Cowboys, you couldn't

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Speaker 2: I'm curious how this works. And so Irvin, folks, whatever

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Speaker 2: your greatest expectation of what Michael Irvin would be on

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Speaker 3: Two things.

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Speaker 4: Number one, if you were to tell somebody today, a

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Speaker 4: And so how many yesses would could you give somebody

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Speaker 4: football gets drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: What number did he wear in college? If you didn't know,

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. Yes, Oh, you'd guess.

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Speaker 2: You could give him ninety guesses and they wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: Forty seven. It's so hard swss are wearing forty nine.

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Speaker 4: This forty seven is a receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's impossible, and.

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Speaker 4: It's ever been done again though, right, Has anybody tried

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Speaker 4: to wear forty seven as there like a big time receiver.

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Speaker 2: No, there's been some big time players who have worn it,

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Speaker 2: Actually the quarterback at BYU, a kid named Bear Bachmeier

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Speaker 4: Okay, there was that, and then there is high school IRV.

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Speaker 4: High school I think high school IRV? Like, okay, how

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Speaker 4: And how did that voice become? Because that was I

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Speaker 4: was like, there's no way that's actually Michael Irvin. It

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Speaker 2: The scene that they had of the video of IRV

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Speaker 2: after he's drafted by the Cowboys, where they show him

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Speaker 2: celebrating with like his family, yes, like how the fact

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Speaker 2: that they had all of that, it was just okay,

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Speaker 2: it's incredible. Really, the outfits at that party, oh god.

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Speaker 3: And then Emmett, my Codes and Pensacoli didn't know any better.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know better. Yea, so good, so good. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's awesome. It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to.

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Speaker 4: Episode three is the one that's all about that NFC

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Speaker 4: Championship game, like the whole episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The thing that's interesting too, is you

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Speaker 2: didn't have I did not recall the Steve Burline part.

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Speaker 4: Just had that conversation with Bernie, like, I did not

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Speaker 4: call it ninety one. The Berline won five straight games.

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Speaker 4: Then they started Berlin in the playoffs over Akman and.

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Speaker 3: Echoin sitting there seething.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not remember them coming out of his

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Speaker 2: I remember Berline as the backup for sure, but I

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Speaker 2: don't remember. I did not remember that he like took

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Speaker 2: the Jimmy kind of liked him more, which was kind

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Speaker 2: of crazy, is the way that Jerry kind of framed it.

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Speaker 4: But then as he was like a leader and vocal. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but then they then they bonded a fish tanks, right.

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Speaker 2: I also did not remember that that Jerry made Troy

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Speaker 4: And what's going to be it's going to be wild though,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in in an era where there wasn't social media,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Alonzo goes you scared now or whatever you say,

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Speaker 3: Whoa look at us. That's a great shot of us.

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Speaker 2: On the marquee.

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Speaker 3: Any other looking looking down on us, looking down on us?

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Speaker 3: Let's go, baby, Yeah, I'm gonna be exciting three to five.

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Speaker 2: So you know, one of the long time running jokes

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be with us. So yeah, it's exciting.

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Speaker 2: The the interesting notes here at the end of the show.

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Speaker 2: Show started in twenty eleven with the god Notorious, the

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Speaker 3: So from from one to three to three to five.

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Speaker 2: That will start on September second. Everything will remain the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we understand.

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Speaker 7: Coach will talk after practice at three point fifteen. Right,

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Speaker 3: Nothing yet.

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Speaker 2: over Zegura's right shoulder and I'm going, well, there's one

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Speaker 2: guy in the building who lived it and has first

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Speaker 2: hand information about all of this stuff, and I can't

443
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Speaker 2: wait to talk to him about it, and that's the

444
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Speaker 2: legendary Bernie Kozar. So we're gonna tell some stories. If

445
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Speaker 2: he's up for it, We're gonna tell some stories. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next g rated ones.

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Speaker 3: Well are the PG can maybe PG I mean the kids.

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Speaker 2: Are in school, burn a little bit of fun. He's

449
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Speaker 2: the living legend and he lived through all of this

450
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Speaker 2: and has connective tissue with all of these people.

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Speaker 3: Bernie Cozar is going to be in studio with us.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next.

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Speaker 2: studio by legendary Brown's University of Miami quarterback one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest of all time, the great Bernie Cosar in

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Speaker 2: studio with us, we did did you when did you

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Speaker 2: first hear that this Dallas Cowboys documentary was happening? When

467
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Speaker 2: did you get wind of it?

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Speaker 6: So I did not know it came out, and I didn't.

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Speaker 8: Know that the live episodes are out until Awesomely today,

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Speaker 8: I had lunch with the great Nathan Zegura. You said

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Speaker 8: he saw the first two episodes, and I man, and

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Speaker 8: listening to your first segments, I was like fanboying you.

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Speaker 6: Guys, and how awest and that was to talk about it, and.

474
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Speaker 8: Then as an old man getting my memory back, I

475
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Speaker 8: asked it to reflect.

476
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Speaker 6: On some of those stories.

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Speaker 8: Was really kind of kind of cool to kind of

478
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Speaker 8: relive right there.

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Speaker 2: Well as we're sitting here talking about it, like I

480
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Speaker 2: said in the break, as we're going to break, like

481
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Speaker 2: I'm looking over Z's shoulder and I'm going, you're sitting there.

482
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Speaker 2: You were there at the you with Jimmy and Mike.

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Speaker 2: Then you're at Dallas with all of them. I mean,

484
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Speaker 2: so you lived and then of course the major stop

485
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Speaker 2: here in between, but the beginning of your career and

486
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Speaker 2: then the end of your career. It's all linked with

487
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Speaker 2: all of these guys. What was it like, I guess

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Speaker 2: let's start first with the Michael Irvin part of it.

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Speaker 8: Well first, even to you asking about like when the

490
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Speaker 8: first time I heard about it, first time I heard

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Speaker 8: it was on was today talking with Nathan, But the

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Speaker 8: first time I knew they were doing a documentary, I

493
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Speaker 8: actually was super honored to be called to be part

494
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Speaker 8: of it because of some of my Miami connections. Super

495
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Speaker 8: proud to be the only player to have been with

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Speaker 8: Jimmy Johnson at the University of Miami, the Dallas Cowboys

497
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Speaker 8: and the Miami Dolphins, and then to play get released

498
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Speaker 8: from the Browns and then play on that second Super

499
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Speaker 8: Bowl team in nineteen ninety three, and then be.

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Speaker 6: A free agent.

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Speaker 8: Well that was happening when Jimmy was resigning, Barry Switcher

502
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Speaker 8: was coming.

503
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Speaker 6: I was a free agent.

504
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Speaker 8: Coach Shula, coach Johnson, Jerry Jones, and Barry Switch, We're

505
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 8: all kind of calling and recruiting me.

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Speaker 6: God him sound like I'm name dropping.

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Speaker 3: I'm so honest all that It's all real.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so honored and blessed, you know, to have been

509
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Speaker 8: living in that era.

510
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Speaker 6: And to have been a part of it.

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Speaker 8: And unfortunately though, I had some of this liver stuff

512
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Speaker 8: and this health stuff going on, so I was in

513
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Speaker 8: the hospital and couldn't be part of it. Because I

514
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Speaker 8: would love to be honored to be a part of

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Speaker 8: that and relive some of those stories in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he knows, he's well aware. So you

517
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Speaker 2: and Mike first cross pass at the U.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so we are blessed at the Universe Miami nineteen

519
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Speaker 8: eighty three National Champs. I was a red shirt freshman,

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Speaker 8: Michael Irvin was a true freshman. And again we're biased

521
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Speaker 8: a little bit here and revision is history, but we

522
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Speaker 8: were loaded.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 8: Eddie Brown who went on to be with the Cincinnati

525
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Speaker 8: Bengals and Boomers go to guy Stanley Shakespeare ended up

526
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Speaker 8: being my first roommate with the Cleveland brown We.

527
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Speaker 6: Had really loaded receivers.

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Speaker 8: But we had all these freshmen called Brian Blade's, Benny Blade,

529
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Speaker 8: Brett Perriman, Michael Irvin, to the point where we had

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Speaker 8: a pallethora of choices and stuff.

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Speaker 6: And I know, maybe I'm showing.

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Speaker 8: My age here, but a lot of people remember us

533
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Speaker 8: University of Miami guys for our mouth and our flamboyancy

534
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Speaker 8: of the mid eighties, but actually in the early eighties

535
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Speaker 8: and our fifteam we were at Don Shula Howard Snellenberger

536
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Speaker 8: nineteen seventy two, undefeated.

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Speaker 6: Dolphins, only team in NFL history of going to Peter.

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Speaker 8: We were a business professional approach that we were not

539
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Speaker 8: allowed to celebrate, we were not allowed to talk, and

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Speaker 8: coach Snellenberger said that you need to learn, Bernie, you're

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Speaker 8: a nice kid, but you need to learn how to

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Speaker 8: be a dictator. You need to learn how to pretend

543
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Speaker 8: not to be empathetic. Okay, you need to be able

544
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Speaker 8: to show that you you will cut somebody right there,

545
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Speaker 8: because in the huddle, you're in charge of those other

546
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Speaker 8: ten guys and you're the boss.

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Speaker 6: You're the only one that talks. And if you can't

548
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Speaker 6: keep ten guys quiet, you won't be my quarterback.

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Speaker 8: So God, I got Jim Kellen, Jim Kelly, Vinnie Testa Verdi.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, God, am I in trouble here?

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Speaker 3: What an unbelievable quarterback room, you know?

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Speaker 6: So you have to do that. So now we've got

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Speaker 6: my guys.

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Speaker 8: Eddie Brown Shake, I'd spend a year and a half

555
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Speaker 8: with him, and all these cool young receivers come in, so.

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Speaker 6: Brian Blades comes in, Brett Perriman.

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Speaker 8: They're a little scared, they're a little intimidated coach Stomberger.

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Speaker 8: So they're toning the line like me and the other guys.

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Speaker 3: And I love Michael Irvin.

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Speaker 8: But then Mike came in number forty seven, and he

561
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Speaker 8: was happy and festive.

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Speaker 6: He had a little bit of talk going with him.

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Speaker 8: So Coach Snomberg looked at me and I am supposed

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Speaker 8: to throw him out of the huddle, okay, on my own,

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Speaker 8: Like it's my idea, right, Okay, Like there's some of

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Speaker 8: the young quarterbacks out there. That's not a good idea

567
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Speaker 8: to rip on your all Pro Hall of Fame receiver.

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Speaker 8: But I'm still intimidated by coach Snollenberger.

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Speaker 6: So I gotta listen to him. So I throw him out.

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Speaker 8: And that whole season, Michael Irvin never got in a

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Speaker 8: huddle and played a snap with me at the University

572
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Speaker 8: of Miami because Coach Snollmberger, Coach Stevens, they had to

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Speaker 8: make an example and they used me.

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Speaker 6: To do that. So now you fast forward ten years later,

575
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Speaker 6: have a nice run with the Browns. Okay, but I

576
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Speaker 6: get released. Here.

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Speaker 8: I am on a Tuesday cut from the Browns. I

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Speaker 8: get a call from Jimmy Johnson, Hey, bro, do you

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Speaker 8: want to put a quarterback and hand off to Emmett

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Speaker 8: this week?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: You know, And I'm like serious.

583
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Speaker 8: Because I thought Danny Marino was hurt, so I thought

584
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Speaker 8: I was going down to the Dolphins because.

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Speaker 6: Steve de Berg got hurt and I'll blow. Jimmie calls

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Speaker 6: and says, I'll let you start, like broa five days.

587
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 6: He goes, it ain't that hard.

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Speaker 8: You can hand it off because you run your own

589
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Speaker 8: plays anyways, you know. So Mike, I go down there

590
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Speaker 8: and like I'm acting cool, like I'm trying to have cool.

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Speaker 6: Here, but really, at the end of the day, you

592
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Speaker 6: have self doubt.

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Speaker 8: You know, all of us as men naturally, but when

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Speaker 8: you get cut, you really have self doubt. So now

595
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 8: you're changing, You're going down to another place and you're

596
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Speaker 8: trying to represent cool and you're trying to represent confidence,

597
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Speaker 8: but your your confidence is lacking.

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Speaker 6: And now I've got to be successful because I don't

599
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Speaker 6: want to be it.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to be the reason why the Cowboys

601
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Speaker 8: don't win. I don't want to be the reason why

602
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Speaker 8: we suck because now I'm the quarterback. So Michael Irving

603
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Speaker 8: comes into the huddle and he goes, man, you still

604
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Speaker 8: mad at me?

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Speaker 6: Am I allowing to talk? You know, like you throw

606
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Speaker 6: me out of the huddle. Hell no, get in there.

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Speaker 6: Life has changed right.

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Speaker 3: Now and I need you are the paymaker.

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Speaker 6: You are the playmaker.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, he was awesome with his skinny post that

611
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Speaker 8: him and Troy Aateman were massively impressive with. And that's

612
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Speaker 8: actually the route that I'm loving that Joe Flaccos throwing.

613
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Speaker 8: But Michael Irvin saved me on some good comebacks and

614
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Speaker 8: clutch situation.

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Speaker 6: That's you better know how to throw that on time.

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Speaker 6: But coach Norv Turner.

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Speaker 3: That's right and it comes back.

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Speaker 6: Show my age. That comes from the Ernie Zampezi tree

619
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Speaker 6: of air.

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Speaker 2: Cooreol, Oh wow, Cole, and I love that.

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Speaker 4: When Berlin came and he's like, just throw me the ball. Ye,

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Speaker 4: you're never wrong throwing me the ball. I think that's

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Speaker 4: oh yeah.

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Speaker 8: There's a couple of plays that North put in that again,

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Speaker 8: I want everyone to think how smart I was from

626
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Speaker 8: exson it. But there are a couple of plays that

627
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Speaker 8: he put in that I didn't exactly understand and know

628
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Speaker 8: in the heat of a couple of days, and basically

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Speaker 8: he got frustrated with me and he goes, don't think.

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Speaker 6: Just drop back and throw it to Michael Irvin's on

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Speaker 6: that Yes, coach.

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Speaker 2: Bernie, what was it like paratrooping into the middle of

633
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Speaker 2: that thing after they had won a Super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: it was I mean, you're that is the height of.

635
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Speaker 3: America's team at that point. What was it? What was

636
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Speaker 3: it like going into the middle of that.

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Speaker 5: So I.

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Speaker 8: Now, it's absolutely awesome to reflect on it.

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Speaker 6: But again, as a.

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Speaker 8: Guy trying to not be it, trying to be good

641
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Speaker 8: and then trying to represent that you belong, you're really

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Speaker 8: fix it. At least I was massively fixated.

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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to perform. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 8: And then as a guy who's kind of socially an

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Speaker 8: introvert and has to pretend to be you know, extroverted

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Speaker 8: and social, that team was social, okay. The White House

647
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Speaker 8: and that team was social okay. And for young players

648
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Speaker 8: out there, don't I don't think he should go twenty

649
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Speaker 8: four or seven okay like that.

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Speaker 6: But when they.

651
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Speaker 8: Showed up for work, it was work, and it was

652
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Speaker 8: maybe because we were angry and grumpy from being out

653
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Speaker 8: all night, but we were irritable and we were physical,

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Speaker 8: and practices were very physical.

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Speaker 3: Oh they made that very Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a freeful.

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Speaker 8: So now here I am this may not be appropriate

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Speaker 8: for give me here on that. But the first day

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Speaker 8: of practice, I get down, I get down there and

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Speaker 8: there's some shaking a moving going on, but there's hazing

661
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Speaker 8: was allowed back in those days. Okay, don't do that

662
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 8: kids in that, but hazing, and typically hazing's.

663
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 6: Done on the younger guys.

664
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 8: Well, in Dallas, hazing's done on everybody. So there are

665
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 8: some things that guys do to you in the locker room. Okay, yeah,

666
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 8: they're not pleasant and they're not PG.

667
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

668
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: I just they said the practices were so hard that

669
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: the games were easy. There's the one where they saw

670
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: some guy. They had to run all these sprints or whatever,

671
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: and a guy goes.

672
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: Down with asthma and he's like, you can't have asthma

673
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: on this field, Go have asthma on that field. And

674
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: he cut him right there, he cut him at practice,

675
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: and he's like, I didn't feelad about he has as

676
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: what are you talking about.

677
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: No.

678
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 8: One of the Jimmy's great lines was he goes, don't

679
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 8: let don't let the body control the mind.

680
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 6: Let the mind control the body.

681
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 8: And if if the body's controlling the mind, okay, he

682
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 8: cut you, You're gone.

683
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: You know.

684
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: He cut that guy for asthma.

685
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: And then he cut a backup running back in the

686
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: last game of the regular season who fumbled twice.

687
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: Going into the playoffs, He's like, cut him in the game.

688
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: That's it, that's go home, go home.

689
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: I had a game. I had a game that it's crazy.

690
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: Guys are like I have It's not like it's all

691
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: they have the video that.

692
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: He's on the field.

693
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: He's like, go have asthma on this fields.

694
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: It's only someone secondhand telling it. It's the video of

695
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: him saying it. It's crazy to the to the guy

696
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: who's having an asthma attack.

697
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 8: Jimmy Johnson also taught me he had a great plan

698
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 8: and those were all those were strategic, they were calculated,

699
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 8: and they were planned. And one of the things that

700
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 8: coach Johnson taught me, and and it's really good advice

701
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 8: I think for young coaches and you quarterbacks in particular,

702
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 8: is when you're doing an interview, you're not talking. You're

703
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 8: acting like you're talking to the fans. We're acting like

704
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 8: we're talking to each other. But when you're the quarterback

705
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 8: and you're the head coach, you're really talking.

706
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 6: To your locker room.

707
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 8: You're really talking to your organization and in particular, your

708
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 8: players and coaches.

709
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: Because we all say, we don't watch you, guys don't

710
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 6: watch us. We watch what the coach says, we watch

711
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 6: what the messages. And to be able to you know,

712
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 6: have have that.

713
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 8: And use his press conferences and use his media.

714
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 6: Stuff has really a total mess with us.

715
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 8: To let us know we got to be on game

716
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 8: and that team was really for really focused, and the

717
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 8: kind of intensity that you just did practice was was

718
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 8: another level.

719
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: It's so cool. It was a great story.

720
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: A guy in episode two, Bernie, that you'll like some

721
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: kind of seems like nobody cornerback on the Cardinal talks

722
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: trash to the playmaker and he just abuses him that it's.

723
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: Dancing and it's like gyrate. It's just so crazy.

724
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: Where are you?

725
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: Where are you now?

726
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna lock me down. It's weird

727
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: because I'm scoring again and again and again.

728
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 8: So what I love about that type team and that

729
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 8: type mentality when we would see that type stuff. Of

730
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 8: course we talked smack.

731
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 6: Those guys talk smack back.

732
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 8: You would galvinize you as a team, and as a quarterback,

733
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 8: you would make sure you would get him in a

734
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 8: position to toast that guy.

735
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you would, you would. That was your responsibility.

736
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: So in nineteen this is the game from nineteen ninety two,

737
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: they played the then Phoenix Cardinals, and in that game

738
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: it was the best game.

739
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: Of Earth's career, which they didn't add that.

740
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, eight catches for two hundred and ten yards and

741
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: three touchdowns.

742
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 8: You can talk in the and then so then I

743
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 8: come there the next year and my first game is

744
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 8: against the Cardinals and that so I'm looking at that

745
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 8: film from past.

746
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been posting.

747
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 8: It, and this is my first game there. And I

748
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 8: had the longest second longest pass.

749
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 6: In Cowboys history for quite a long time.

750
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: You really aired it out.

751
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 8: Well the day before the play before we had a

752
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 8: comeback takeoff and I blew the throat to Michael Irvin. Okay,

753
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 8: it should have been an eighty eighty eight yard touchdown

754
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 8: pass or something like that.

755
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 6: Ninety two yard touchdown pass, but I made.

756
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: A bad throw.

757
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 8: So the next play I end up with the longest

758
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 8: pass in Cowboys history and it's like or second longest,

759
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 8: ninety eight yards plus or minus. And I threw a

760
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 8: one yard from me to you to Emma Smith and

761
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 8: home slice ran eighty.

762
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 6: Nine with it to make me look good.

763
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just unbelievable. Did you did you have.

764
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: Your interactions with Jerry Because he leveraged everything that he

765
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: had to buy the team. He was losing money a

766
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: lot of early the time you got there, he was

767
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: making a lot of money. But it was a little

768
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: bit before he did the Nike deal in the stadium

769
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: and it was a little bit pepsy.

770
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: Deal he was.

771
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I love him, and I find this fascinating, you know,

772
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 8: to be talking this today and and then being so

773
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 8: close to Coach Johnson, and then I actually love how

774
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 8: he's now in the Ring of Honor. And you know,

775
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 8: with age, you know, we all tend to we hope

776
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 8: to get better in terms of that.

777
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: But it's really nice to see to reflect back on this.

778
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 8: And I have his joke who went Nathan that I'd

779
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 8: like to tell you I got a big night plan,

780
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 8: but I know it.

781
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: I'll be watching, right you do it a big night plan.

782
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: No, yeah, you'll be very pleased.

783
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Were you when when you in terms of what you

784
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: saw from Jerry, Now that you look back on a

785
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: guy who bought something for one hundred and fifty million

786
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: it's now worth eleven billion, did you see like, oh,

787
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: this all makes sense? Like when you got there, we're like, oh,

788
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: this guy really he's ahead of the game on what

789
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: he's got going on here.

790
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 8: I thought so when just he bought it, and it

791
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 8: was interesting to be here in Cleveland and then have

792
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 8: a certain infrastructure around me that thought he was remiss

793
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 8: in what he was doing, and I actually thought he

794
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 8: was genius with doing it. And I've been saying this

795
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 8: to Nathan.

796
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 6: We did some stuff with Joe Flahoo.

797
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm kind of like fanboying because I'm so

798
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 8: excited about how awesome he looks. It was also from

799
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 8: a player perspective, Jerry Jones. You know, he won a

800
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 8: national championship.

801
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 6: He's a player.

802
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 8: I know people dog him for something. I actually think

803
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 8: he does a heck of a job buying large with

804
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 8: drafting and that stuff. So I have and what he

805
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 8: does business wise is beyond amazing. So I've liked him,

806
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 8: and then to have the honor to get to hang

807
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 8: out with him and now consider him a friend.

808
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 5: I love it.

809
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: It's awesome, so cool.

810
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: Let's do a little on us. You said you spoke

811
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: with Joe. Obviously he was the best thrower of the football.

812
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: He just rolls out of bed and he can still

813
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: sling it. What do you make of him being the

814
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: quarterback of this team this year? And what do you

815
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: expect out of him this year?

816
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 8: Well, just not to gloss over and just not to

817
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 8: say it, to be a homer and just to be nice.

818
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 6: Don't take for granted for our fans. I mean I

819
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 6: probably did.

820
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 8: How beautifully throws the ball, I mean, for the eighteenth

821
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 8: training camp to be forty years old and to throw

822
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 8: it so beautifully and effortlessly is awesome to watch. I

823
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 8: me and Nathan were talking a little bit off air

824
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 8: about impressive camp of the two young rookies. You know,

825
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 8: unfortunate for Kenny Pickett to have the hammy and not

826
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 8: get a chance to play. But Joe Flacco is head

827
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 8: and shoulders a Hall of Fame looking quarterback. It's so

828
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 8: impressive still to be watching him, watching him throw and

829
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 8: move for eighteenth year of training camp. And actually I

830
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 8: had fun talking to him because one of the things

831
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 8: I did in preseason was I was massively uncomfortable about

832
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 8: the what the plays.

833
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 5: You're going to be?

834
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, that was that was he was

835
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: here yesterday at practice. That was the guy from a

836
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: Law and Order SVU.

837
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: That just walked by. Oh is that him?

838
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

839
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see it. Yeah, that's making it happen.

840
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he played at Colorado.

841
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 3: But no, that's the connection I see.

842
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 8: Okay, Hey, but talking with Joe about like what type.

843
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 6: Of plays do you want to run? You know, are

844
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 6: you do you want to get stuff to be comfortable?

845
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 8: Do you want to put stuff on film to maybe

846
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 8: fool Cincinnati, to give Cincinnati stuff to actually to work on?

847
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 8: You know those type of chess match things are what

848
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 8: you do in this last season?

849
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: How does that go?

850
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 4: Because it reminds me of the Great Battle of Wits

851
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: from The Princess Bride. You know they're watching, but they

852
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: know that you know that they're watching, so they know

853
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: that what you put out there is intending to deceive.

854
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: So maybe you actually put something out there that's real

855
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: because you think that they think that it's deceiving, but

856
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: maybe it's not deceiving because you know that they think

857
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: it is deceived.

858
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 6: Absolutely, go through those and do that.

859
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 8: But here's what I really like doing and planting the

860
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 8: deceptive kind of toys out there or personnel groups is

861
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 8: us players can't help themselves, so we won't ingrain and

862
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 8: study like an organization or a coach will maybe one

863
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 8: or two of us, but most of us are taking

864
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 8: what the coach says.

865
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 6: And then we'll look at it.

866
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 8: And no matter though, even though the coaches and the

867
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 8: organization will say that they're doing those type things, they're

868
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 8: still going to show us those fifteen plays that Joe

869
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 8: Foco is gonna play, and the Cincinnati Bengals and Al

870
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 8: Golden will look at those twelve or fifteen plays and

871
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 8: they'll get predisposition of something. So I tried to plant

872
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 8: some predispositions and or I really after I did the game,

873
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 8: I really studied what my twelve or ten or fifteen

874
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 8: plays were to see how I would look at it

875
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 8: if I was the other team.

876
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: It's it's it's so cool to see him back there,

877
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: and you know, just this kind of ties us all

878
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: back in because you think about a guy a forty

879
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: year old still being a starting quarterback in the league.

880
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is in his mid forties winning a Super Bowl.

881
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: You watch this footage from the eighties and you see

882
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: the hits like the Tankman took.

883
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: And it hits you. I mean, this is a Cowboys,

884
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: it's not yours.

885
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: We haven't got to the point where you're there yet,

886
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: but obviously we know the ones you took and you've

887
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: spoken it's a transplant. Oh, it's a different game.

888
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: It's folks. You have if if you're young and you

889
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: you think you know how quarterback is played, it's different.

890
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: And I don't so violent, I'm so quack.

891
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 8: I'm so thankful to making light of it too, even

892
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 8: with some of my diagnosises like what I could hopefully

893
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Speaker 8: get a call to get delivered transplant this afternoon. I

894
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 8: love you too, but I won't take yours. It has

895
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 8: to be a bad accident by.

896
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

897
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 6: But the people say I wish the game was the

898
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: way it was back when you played.

899
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 8: No, it is not right to do the things that

900
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 8: I did to other guys in a protection scheme with

901
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 8: cut blocks and that type stuff, and quarterbacks it's receivers over.

902
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 6: The receivers, over the middle. I mean, today's whole game.

903
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 8: I prided myself I never threw a ball above a

904
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 8: guy's nipples inside the numbers. Now you have to do that.

905
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: So to be able to do that. And what ron

906
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 6: I love Ronnie Lott. It's amazing.

907
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 8: He's one of the guys for the NFL concussion treatment.

908
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 8: When he caused half of mine.

909
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: They would decapitate hit man.

910
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 8: Okay, the Jack Tatum's you know that was Donnie Shell's

911
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 8: lot at water Dennis Smith. I love playing against those guys,

912
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 8: but it was it was freaking dangerous. And that's that's

913
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Speaker 8: why I do so much of this health and wellness now,

914
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 8: just to try to survive what you put your body through.

915
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Speaker 2: It's good see anybody as always love these stories, man,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love you love these Yes, the great Bernie Cozar

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00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: of things from yesterday's practice. Cornerback Denzel Award injured his

929
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: shoulder during practice. It is not believed to be serious,

930
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: but that's always in the good getter when you see that.

931
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: So good to see Denzel good. That's just good.

932
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: He's done everything all camps, so yeah, very good news there.

933
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: Defensive Tackle Mike Hall was carted off in that Baltimore game.

934
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: Was working outside yesterday during practice for the first time

935
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: this training camp. He spent the session jogging doing agility

936
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: work with a trainer in the rehab area. GM Andrew

937
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Berry watched that portion of the workout. The Browns keep

938
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: him on pup when they cut their roster to fifty

939
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: three meeting he will have to miss at least the

940
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: first four games of the season. There you go.

941
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: I don't want him to be kept on pup because

942
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 4: I want him out there, and I think the fact

943
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: that he was outside yesterday that is good. That's a

944
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: good sign. We've got Listen, we're still what we got

945
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks here.

946
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a couple of week week.

947
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's the rest of this week, all of

948
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: next and all of the next, So you've got two

949
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: and a half weeks.

950
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: We got a lot of time.

951
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying yesterday when I'm saying like, this

952
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: is a long time since you guys, since we started

953
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: practice around here, and you still have two and a

954
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: half weeks before you play a game that matters.

955
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a long.

956
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: It is a long time. And so my look, my

957
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: opinion on that is it's easy. Get this guy ready,

958
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 4: put him in and start him off. Even if you

959
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: start me he or you're gonna have twelve plays.

960
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

961
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: The good news in.

962
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: This defense is it's an attack defense, so it's gonna

963
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: be just hey, go out there and go disrupt. And

964
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 4: I think my call is most certainly capable of that.

965
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: So I think that is a good, good, good thing.

966
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: I like that it's one of the guys. I'll tell you,

967
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: I've seen him around the building. Obviously, he's been here

968
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: all the time where you haven't getting ready. He's a

969
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: tremendous condition like he is ripped. Yes, I'm excited for

970
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: to get my call. I think my call Mason Graham.

971
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: You talk about Malie Collins, Shelby, Aiden Huntington. This team

972
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: has got some guys, some guys in the Jawan Briggs,

973
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 4: Sam Kamara, got some guys in that room.

974
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: They do the other thing that's kind of going on

975
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: around the league, And I've seen this with Minnesota. There's

976
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: there are several teams that are trying to make deals

977
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: for receivers, especially, So I do think that kind of

978
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: a combination of things, the length of this build up,

979
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: the ramp up, some of the injuries, some of the

980
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: suspensions that are there around the league, you could have

981
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: a relatively active trade calendar in the next few next

982
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: couple of days. Yeah, people get read to their fifty three.

983
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: People are it's gonna be.

984
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 4: I would say kind of, you may get some now,

985
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: but I would say starting next week, you know, leading

986
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: into that initial fifty three, you're going to get a lot.

987
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a.

988
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: Lot of trades.

989
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

990
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, And I think I've said it all along

991
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: well documented for those who like to keep track of

992
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: such things. We have six defensive tackles on this roster

993
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: that should be on fifty three man rosters. And we

994
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: have six defensive ends on this roster who should be

995
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: on fifty three man rosters. So if we are to

996
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: make a trade, whether it be for a cornerback, which

997
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 4: I think could be very valuable for this football team,

998
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 4: or just you know, draft picks assets, I think those

999
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 4: are the rooms that it's going to come out of. Yeah,

1000
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: and that's really the way that it's been the whole time.

1001
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: I Mean, we've been saying that's where we are deeper

1002
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: than we you know, can support. And so if you

1003
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: have a team that's interested in somebody there, you get

1004
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 4: something for him. Otherwise, if you cut them, they could

1005
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: just you know, pick them up for nothing. So if

1006
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 4: you can find a willing participant, those are the positions.

1007
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: Now.

1008
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: It seems like people want receivers and there are people

1009
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: that want corners, and that's going to be that'll be tough.

1010
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Feels like that's a long list. It is a long

1011
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: list of teams that want those two things.

1012
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, that that is something to watch for

1013
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: for sure. A couple of injuries. I just saw one

1014
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: down in Cincinnati. Pop up, where did that go?

1015
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 8: Well?

1016
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 7: While you're looking for that Ben Baby one minute ago

1017
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 7: from down in Cincinnati. Bengals starters will not play in

1018
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 7: the preseason finale.

1019
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: No, no way, not after that near train wreck. No

1020
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: way for him, good for Zach, Like sorry, Joe, no

1021
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: more snickers for you.

1022
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: It's bedtime.

1023
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Like that's it's enough, Like it's ridiculous to put those in.

1024
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: It's just like it's enough.

1025
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: Man.

1026
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: Oh it was Cordell Volson who will likely miss the

1027
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: season with the shoulder injury. He was in the battle

1028
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: at right guard down there. So that's kind of the

1029
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: and and that's what's happening around the league, Like you

1030
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: just want to get to the games that matter, Like

1031
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: just get this last one over with and let's get

1032
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: to the games that matter.

1033
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: That's where a lot of the league is right now.

1034
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: So I can't can't get here soon enough in terms

1035
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: of games that count, and then potentially the risk is

1036
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: worth it, certainly. Miles Garrett will join you from the

1037
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,399
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Speaker 3: Defensive end Miles.

1051
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 6: Garrett, talk to you since your last reason.

1052
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 5: Incident? What what I What is it.

1053
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 9: Like to be in that car and seeing that to

1054
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 9: predominant breaking up to more than one.

1055
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: Hundred, Like about I'd honestly rather talk about football and

1056
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 5: this team than anything I'm doing off field other than

1057
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 5: the back to school you know event that I did

1058
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 5: the other day.

1059
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 7: But but I mean, people wanna know, wanta know about that?

1060
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 5: People wanna know a lot of things, But I I

1061
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 5: try to keep my personal life personal and I'd rather

1062
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: focus on this team when I can't.

1063
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 8: Say U.

1064
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 5: Right now, I'd rather talk about something that's more you know,

1065
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 5: focus on this team and what we're doing, what we're

1066
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 5: trying to accomplish.

1067
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 10: Is this camping different for you?

1068
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 5: H h them giving me more of a uh I

1069
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 5: wanna say lee way, but giving me more of a

1070
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 5: platform I should say to to leave where I can.

1071
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like there were some spaces where

1072
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 5: they were a bit hesitant to allow me to to

1073
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 5: take over. And not just on the field, you know,

1074
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: with my play, but you know with with some different

1075
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 5: uh you know things that we're doing, you know, in conversations, Yeah, conversations, Uh,

1076
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 5: you know what we're doing throughout the day and just

1077
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 5: how you know the floor of the day goes, you know,

1078
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 5: just trying to be involved and and try to get

1079
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 5: what's best, you know for the guys and and be

1080
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 5: uh as efficient as we can throughout today.

1081
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 6: Are you expecting good play Saturday?

1082
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 10: And and then.

1083
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 8: Also to just your your thoughts on how this can

1084
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 8: for pre season have going for you to get me

1085
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 8: ready for your coming years.

1086
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm I'm definitely ready to play. It's my if

1087
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: my number is called. You know, I'm definitely suiting up

1088
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 5: and ready to go, and unfortunately got the the pleasure

1089
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 5: we're going to get uh Lane and Jordan. Those guys

1090
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 5: are tremendous of what they do and it's it's always

1091
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 5: funy going over there. They they receive us well and

1092
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: it's always great work going against them and sure the

1093
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: best of their crow.

1094
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 3: Hey males, I'm sorry, but this is important.

1095
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 9: So you're talking about being a leader, So what kind

1096
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 9: of a leadership does that show?

1097
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 11: What?

1098
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 9: When you get all over by the.

1099
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 5: Accounts again, You're asking the same question and I'm answered

1100
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 5: it at two different times, So I'm I'm gonna need

1101
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 5: to ask a different question so I can I can

1102
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: focus on his team. And I know this this headline

1103
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: you're trying to get out of this question you're asking moles.

1104
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 9: Do you feel like do you feel like you're having

1105
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 9: an impact in the way that is going about your leadership.

1106
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 6: Role in a different way this game?

1107
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: I do. I've heard you know that from from multiple

1108
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 5: accounts without from players and coaches about the the a

1109
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: bit of a style change I've had, you know this

1110
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 5: year and being a bit more minute work with uh.

1111
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 5: You know, the attention I give and details that I

1112
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 5: bring and make sure the guys are bringing that that

1113
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: same detail to the game. You know, everybody being on

1114
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 5: the same page.

1115
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 7: Is it self driven or was were you urged to

1116
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 7: to be this way by anybody who.

1117
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: Are in chat table? No? This self driven. You know,

1118
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 5: it's just it's just it's gonna go as far as

1119
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: you know. I wanted to go, and and Arlan is

1120
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 5: trying the weakest link, and I feel like, you know,

1121
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 5: I've got to can continue to improve and find a

1122
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 5: way to uh, you know, elevate my teammates, not just myself.

1123
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 10: Why had you've been complimentary with Joe since you three

1124
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 10: and since he came back? What was your reaction? Maybe

1125
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 10: it was an expectation that he be a starter. And

1126
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 10: what do you think he can do for you guys?

1127
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: Betting man, I think you know anyone who's doing.

1128
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: It over you?

1129
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 5: No, shoot thirty five as special. You know, they'll always

1130
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 5: tell you to watch out for UH an old man

1131
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 5: in a in a UH career where young people dominate

1132
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: and old people die young. So you know he having

1133
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 5: the the nolens that he does, wisdom that he does

1134
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 5: being about to bring that to his room and sharing

1135
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 5: that with them now helps them, but it always helps us,

1136
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 5: you know, them always being on the same page. Ready.

1137
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 5: But you know he's he's the guy who was able

1138
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 5: to know see it the best. Right now, we're we're

1139
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 5: ready to rock with him because you know he he

1140
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 5: has you know, that that game experience and he's shown

1141
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 5: that composure for years now and we're we're glad to

1142
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 5: uh you know, have him, have him on our side.

1143
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 9: There's some signs of the defense getting back to twenty three.

1144
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 5: I think so that I think there were uh no lapses,

1145
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 5: laps in focus, laps laps of discipline. Uh you know

1146
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 5: when we need to be sharper without was you know,

1147
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 5: in here or on the field. And I think you

1148
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 5: know that it it kind of leaks out. You know,

1149
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 5: how you are every day is how you are when

1150
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 5: you know when you you need to be that person.

1151
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 5: So I think, w how we've we've tightened up the

1152
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: ship and we've we've sharpened, sharpened everything. I think we

1153
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 5: will continue to get better and we'll we'll show uh

1154
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 5: not only glimpses, but that we we were and are

1155
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 5: that twenty twenty thirteen.

1156
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 12: Said you gave from other people, how would you describe

1157
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 12: and changing.

1158
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: The off time.

1159
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 5: Uh, like I said, just just more focus, you know,

1160
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 5: more more willing to be, uh, more vocal and uh

1161
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 5: you know a lot of the guys no man as

1162
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 5: were last time. I'm I'm always willing to to help

1163
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 5: mentor or give advice, but all also just being you know,

1164
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 5: the uh the biggest critic as well. You know, as

1165
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 5: well as you did it, you know, we can always

1166
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 5: do it better. I s I I think that way

1167
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 5: for myself, and I'll I critique myself, uh very thoroughly,

1168
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 5: and and you know, just you know, showing the guys

1169
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 5: know how I think and how I I try to

1170
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: improve and and uh, you know, try to instill that

1171
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 5: upon them long ast way.

1172
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 10: If you can't take the defensive line looks so dominant

1173
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 10: here in camp in.

1174
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: The preseason, what's gonna take for you guys.

1175
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 10: To to bring that down into different seas.

1176
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 5: I think the only thing else to up us is us.

1177
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: You know, as long as we we run the calls

1178
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 5: that you know that that sports gets out there, we're

1179
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 5: all on the same page. I think this guy's the

1180
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 5: limit and we just gotta continue to you know, be

1181
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: disciplined in our our technique and and uh what we'll

1182
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 5: call to do during that certain play and uh, you know,

1183
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: I'm I'm happy with the the part stuff we made

1184
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 5: in what we can.

1185
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 6: Do you get a child?

1186
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 9: So it seems like when we talk to Jim or

1187
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 9: for Jock, like you're always talking about folding you to

1188
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 9: that that next level in terms of reproduction on the field,

1189
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 9: I guess it's for yours are.

1190
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 6: Going on with them?

1191
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 9: How do you feel about that standard? They kind of

1192
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 9: set free in that production wise.

1193
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: That even what do you what are you running for?

1194
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 5: The right? Absolutely love him, you know, I love that

1195
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: they they know that they're small out there for me

1196
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 5: and I see you know they they wouldn't say it

1197
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 5: if you know it wasn't true. And I've I've thought

1198
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 5: this the same thing. And it's about make having a

1199
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 5: plan and next secunity get that can you know, beat

1200
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: these chips, beat these doubles and and find a way

1201
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 5: to get you know, just a few more one on

1202
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 5: ones and and continue to increase my my production.

1203
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 9: And what was it like last week? I know you were

1204
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 9: enjoying a lot of re friends, but to kind of

1205
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 9: see his reaction after going against you two days in

1206
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 9: practice and if you got asked the kind of stop

1207
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 9: them was like, I still don't know, Like when I

1208
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 9: figure it out, i'll tell you. So, what's what's that

1209
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 9: kind of like to go against your.

1210
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 5: Second to that, I mean, to hell of an honor.

1211
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's special. You know, he's he's big,

1212
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 5: he's strong, he's he's very athletic, and uh, you know

1213
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 5: it's it, it's a really uh, iron sharpens iron no

1214
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 5: situation when we go against each other, you know, with uh,

1215
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 5: you know how talented he is in the position. I'm

1216
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 5: glad to be able to go against him, you know

1217
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 5: this early to you know, see how I'm feeling, you know,

1218
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 5: how I'm recovering, and also you know, just working my technique,

1219
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 5: working my craft, and you know he was very happy

1220
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 5: to do the same.

1221
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 12: How do you don't feel like, how did you feel

1222
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 12: like he came out of that? Because he looked like

1223
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 12: you lined up a little bit on the on the

1224
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 12: left side also.

1225
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 5: Against the agivenst lighting a little bit.

1226
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 12: Also, I mean, what what did you how much did

1227
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 12: you feel like you really got I mean, what would

1228
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 12: sort of your your assessment of those two days for

1229
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 12: you in the defense as.

1230
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 5: A home lots of learning, you know, just uh, going

1231
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 5: through my mindset, you know, before the play, just analyzing

1232
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 5: the field and what's going on. You know, it's a

1233
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 5: team like that and they're gonna try to slow you

1234
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: down and play with your eyes. And you know, fortunately

1235
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 5: they they left a lot of one on ones. And

1236
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 5: I know during the season there will probably be you know,

1237
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 5: different situations with trippers of all different kinds. But you know,

1238
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 5: just going through that that mental checklist, so I don't

1239
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 5: have anything, you know, when I when I snapped the ball,

1240
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: and I don't have to think, I don't have to

1241
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 5: worry about anything. I'm just going and I think you know,

1242
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 5: that kind of uh, that kind of focus right before

1243
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 5: the ball was not really helped me, especially against you

1244
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: know those guys in Mouths.

1245
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 10: How scaries it to see Denzel league yesterday. It's how

1246
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 10: important is he's doing what you guys are trying to do.

1247
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: Our next out the ball. I mean, he's as important

1248
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,959
Speaker 5: as a gainst you know, Russian coverage work together, and

1249
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 5: you know that's my brother out there. I can't do

1250
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 5: what I do without him and vice versa. So I'm

1251
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 5: glad to see him come back in the building and

1252
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 5: doing well. But I know. We just have to be

1253
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: careful and take care of ourselves and pick our brothers

1254
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 5: up when we ken.

1255
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 8: You get asolt about this last twenty twenty three defense.

1256
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: We're about twenty.

1257
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 5: Twenty three Flaco.

1258
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 6: You guys won four games in December with him.

1259
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: Do you think he still has that?

1260
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 5: I do. I think he does too, And that's more

1261
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: port and anything. So No, he's excited to go out

1262
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 5: there and show it you. No, he's all cool at

1263
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 5: can be and he's ready for the moment.

1264
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, the Rnning Defensive Player of

1265
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: the Year from the podium. Coming up next, we'll go

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,400
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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five.

1281
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: As we head around the league, the Viki's have been

1282
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: exploring a trade for veteran wide receivers leading up to

1283
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: Tuesday's deadline to set the fifty three men roster. Per

1284
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: Tom Pelasero, some of the current wide receivers that they

1285
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: are dealing with. Justin Jefferson finally returned to practice, Jordan

1286
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: Addison is suspended for the first three games of the year,

1287
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Rondelle Moore has done for the knee injury, and Jalen

1288
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: Naylor week to week with a hand. There are not

1289
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: enough receivers to go around, and apparently a lot of

1290
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: the guys who are very productive, including Amari who was

1291
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: incredibly productive two years ago and still out there, there

1292
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: are reasons that they're not on active rosters, and I

1293
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: don't know if they just fell off a cliff or whatever,

1294
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: but there are not enough receivers go around.

1295
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly sometimes I guess that happens because you know,

1296
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 4: Omar was with the Bills, who certainly could use a receiver,

1297
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: and you know we could have brought him back. It

1298
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: does not seem like that was a priority for anybody.

1299
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 4: And there's guy, Yeah, they're right, You're right. There are

1300
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 4: guys out there that you would think would find would

1301
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 4: have found homes by now, who have not. It is unique,

1302
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: to say the very least. There are teams that want

1303
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 4: a trade for receivers to your point, and are they're

1304
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 4: saying no thanks with the people that aren't there. I

1305
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 4: don't know how many teams have a what I would

1306
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: call a glut of wide receivers there is. I think

1307
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 4: that's something that teams are perpetually searching for.

1308
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: How did this happen?

1309
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: Because I mean going through the two day stuff in

1310
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: the morning and we were did New England today and

1311
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: like supposedly they're cutting pulk.

1312
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: I know it, and it's like a thirty seventh pick

1313
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: last year. I know it.

1314
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking at their depth at receiver and it's like, okay,

1315
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: there's Stefan Diggs and then that's it and he's passed

1316
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: his sell on sell by date, So like, yeah, there's

1317
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: not enough, and it feels like there are more drafted

1318
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: every year. And I don't know if everyone just so

1319
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: many people play for four or five wide. I don't

1320
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: know what it is, but there's not enough to go around.

1321
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 4: No, But also I mean to give up on somebody

1322
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: that you drafted thirty seventh overall. And then Kyle Duggar,

1323
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 4: who's been a very good player for a long time,

1324
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: seems like he's on the way out of there. I

1325
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 4: don't know any teams are looking for a box safety,

1326
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: but man, he was good and he played very well

1327
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 4: whenever we played against him. Yeah, Rabes is resetting things,

1328
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: but he's it's so weird. He seems like to me

1329
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 4: to be the kind of player that Rabes would like. Obviously, Yeah,

1330
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: there's some kind of conflict there, but yeah, it's a

1331
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 4: it's a strange thing this league. You can never have

1332
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: enough offensive lineman, you can never have enough corners, and

1333
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: you can never have enough receivers. Is really kind of

1334
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 4: how it feels like, and for whatever reason, teams are

1335
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: not necessarily being able to Maybe that is the reason

1336
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: they're not able to keep that stocked up because you

1337
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 4: just can't have enough of them.

1338
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: No, No, it doesn't seem so.

1339
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: The Saints are the only team in the league yet

1340
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: to name is starting quarterback Kellen Mortald reporters the company

1341
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: tisitionan evaluation process we'll continue this week. You know that

1342
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: old adage, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.

1343
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 2: They don't have any. No, they have zero and zero

1344
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: zero and zero. Yeah, I mean Derek Carr retired. Yeah,

1345
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: and they like to roll with Tyler Shuck and Spencer

1346
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: Rattler and say, and that's tough.

1347
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: I'll know.

1348
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: Did you see Field Yates's mock draft today?

1349
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 5: I did.

1350
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 3: I knew that you did.

1351
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: We're not picking first, but I said, I was more

1352
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: from the perspective of who he has going number one.

1353
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: He had a press conference yesterday and say, I don't

1354
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: know what grandpa is talking about. I don't know where

1355
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: he got that, because it was his grandpa, Archie Manning,

1356
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: who said, yeah, he'll be at Texas.

1357
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: He's going to be at Texas.

1358
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: I do think that he is playing the leverage game

1359
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: very smart, because he's going to leverage more contracts from

1360
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: Texas and.

1361
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: Endorsement ten million next year to play Yeah, he's playing

1362
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: at six and a half this year.

1363
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 5: He could go.

1364
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: If he's does all the stuff, it could be yeah,

1365
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: even more. And like I laid out the situation with

1366
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: him yesterday, and you don't know what makes somebody tick

1367
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: and they keep everything very close to the vest. But like,

1368
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: if it's his hometown team and he wins the national

1369
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: championship and he's a Heisman guy, like what are you

1370
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: going to go back for at that point? But I

1371
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: don't know if he wants to be there or not.

1372
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: Who knows. Here's what you know about that family. Peyton

1373
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: and we talked about this yesterday. Peyton did not want

1374
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: to go to Saint Louis. That was part of him

1375
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: going back for his fourth year at Tennessee. And in

1376
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: the draft with Eli, Eli said, I am not playing

1377
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, and the Chargers drafted him and then

1378
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: he traded him to the Giants Phil Rishi and then

1379
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers ended up in San Diego. So there's he's

1380
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: going to get into a place that he wants to

1381
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: be in. They have the power to get that done,

1382
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: and perhaps more negative attention should be thrown at them

1383
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: for that. It really hasn't been. But that's just the deal.

1384
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: Like he's not going to go to a bad spot

1385
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: correct in any way, and so he can leverage that

1386
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: he'll know who's going to be picking number one by

1387
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: the time he declares. And if if it's a situation

1388
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: he can't pass up. Maybe, I mean, look at that

1389
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: situation Andrew luckdry into because Manning gets hurt. Ye, and

1390
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: they leaned into it.

1391
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: And they went they leaned into it.

1392
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, got hurt, and all of a sudden they went

1393
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: boom boom, boom boom. So like if there's a situation

1394
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: out there where the starting quarterback gets hurt on a

1395
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: really talented team and all of a sudden, if you're him,

1396
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean pick one who's one that's got like an

1397
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: aging quarterback who's kind of got everything rams, Yes, Matt Stafford.

1398
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: If Matt Stafford doesn't play, and you just if you're

1399
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: if you're big veigh, do you just say let's play

1400
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett every game And then all of a sudden,

1401
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: Arch Manning looks and goes Los Angeles. That defense that

1402
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: those pass catchers, I could jump right into that right

1403
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: in here, and that's a pretty good spot. So that's

1404
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: that would be something to to watch for on that front.

1405
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: Bears backup quarterback Tyson Bage It got a two year, ten.

1406
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: Million dollar solid contract. Yeah, like him a lot. Well,

1407
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean it is legend. That is unbelievable. Man.

1408
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 7: Do we like him enough for ten million dollars?

1409
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money given it's two years though, right,

1410
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: two years? Five a year, Yeah, five a year. It's

1411
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: a good backup.

1412
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 4: That's like a good cost effective backup quarterback, but a veteran.

1413
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 4: That means you're and listen, Caleb's on his rookie deal,

1414
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 4: so they can do that.

1415
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 7: Going back to the whole wide receiver talk earlier, Yeah,

1416
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 7: like no interest in a Mariy.

1417
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 4: No, it seems like there isn't a league wide interest

1418
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 4: in Mariy and it's his numbers in Buffalo are stupefying.

1419
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they brought him in and said

1420
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 4: this is going to be our number one receiver and

1421
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 4: it just was not able to manifest itself.

1422
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: So that's surprising. Jared lougan Bill.

1423
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: Pointed out on Twitter while we were talking that that's

1424
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: why we're going to be a big twelve personnel team

1425
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: and that's why you're seeing, you know, some other teams

1426
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 2: are going to.

1427
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 4: I think Chicago's going to be a big twelve. You're

1428
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: going to be that Patriots Steelers. If you have that

1429
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 4: guy and Harold Fannon's that guy, then you can be

1430
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 4: very effective as a twelve personnel team and have your

1431
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 4: that one tight end be a big slot like.

1432
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: That's what I think John.

1433
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 4: News Smith is going to be for Arthur Smith and

1434
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh this year. With friar Mouth and with Washington, I mean,

1435
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 4: they could be a thirteen personnel team a lot and

1436
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: just go we're gonna go dk these three dudes and

1437
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 4: you're going to go in base and then we'll see

1438
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: what we can do.

1439
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1440
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: No that Yeah, they have some big time mismatches for

1441
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: that team and then bludging you in the run game. Yeah,

1442
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: when you can. The Dolphins activated veteran tied in Darren

1443
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: Waller off the pup list. He'll practice for the first

1444
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: time today. I don't know what that franchise is trying

1445
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: to do right now. Feels like there was a window

1446
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: where they were ascending and now they're just kind of

1447
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: road to nowhere.

1448
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 5: Ish.

1449
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they just let John new Smith go.

1450
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: He had a great year for them. I don't either.

1451
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, well, we'll get Waller and if Waller

1452
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 4: can stay healthy, you know, and he's still Darren Waller,

1453
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: obviously he can be good. I don't know what they

1454
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 4: are trying to do either. They they're a team that

1455
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 4: I know was hot on the heels of Dylan Gabriel

1456
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: because I think obviously you have a lefty. To keep

1457
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 4: a lefty in your system probably wins in many of

1458
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 4: the same ways with anticipatory throwing and the like. But

1459
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: it's yeah, they're in a weird spot to me.

1460
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: They are.

1461
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 4: Who did they get? They got Minca back, They got

1462
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 4: and traded Ramsey.

1463
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got Maca back and they yeah, in the

1464
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: Ramsey minke A deal. And did they just let Did

1465
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 3: they also trade John new Smith or did they just

1466
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: let him go? Think they just let him go. I

1467
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 3: think Pittsburgh just acquired him, didn't they. Yeah? I thought

1468
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: they did. But I mean it's like Wattle. They still

1469
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: have Tyreek Hill.

1470
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 2: They traded he was part of that deal.

1471
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: Oh he was in the Minca deal. Yeah.

1472
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: JOHNA.

1473
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 4: Smith was traded for Miami. The Pittsburgh is part of

1474
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: a larger deal. It also included Jalen Ramsey and MIKEA. Fitzpatrick.

1475
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 4: The Dolphins traded Ramsey and Johnny Smith. The Steelers has

1476
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 4: changed for Fitzpatrick and a pick swap, like.

1477
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: They just gave him away.

1478
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 4: So they got Minca and a fifth for Ramsey, Johnny

1479
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 4: in a seventh and Ramsey should be that should be

1480
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 4: even fairly, fairly even pretty close. Yeah, especially Pittsburgh turns

1481
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 4: Ramsey into a safety, right which it sounds.

1482
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: Like they're they're to do a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1483
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1484
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: Anthony Richards, an agent, reacted with disappointment the Colts quarterback

1485
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: announce and saying he's unsure of his client's future with

1486
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: the club.

1487
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think that's appropriate.

1488
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: I would.

1489
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: I would take a flyer on that kid.

1490
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: He's still young, absolutely, he's really young. I think he's like,

1491
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: he's only like twenty two.

1492
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is the.

1493
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: Style of offense in which you would say that he

1494
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,480
Speaker 2: could thrive.

1495
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: But like I would, he's twenty three. You know where

1496
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 3: I would take.

1497
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 4: Him in Buffalo, bring him into Buffalo, let him back

1498
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 4: up Josh Allen perfect, and then maybe he's an asset

1499
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 4: that you could trade, you know, coming out of that Philly, Philly.

1500
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a backup, go there and.

1501
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: Learn how to be a pro and how to study

1502
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: and how to handle things and grow up and all

1503
01:08:59,040 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: those things.

1504
01:08:59,720 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 5: Yep.

1505
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: But he's only he just turned twenty three in May.

1506
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 2: So there's a to me that would be very appealing.

1507
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: It's somebody with that talent because he the best example

1508
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: of that I can think of of Anthony Richardson is

1509
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 2: last year in the opener.

1510
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 3: So you saw the throw and we came in here

1511
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: throw of the year.

1512
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: We came in here Monday or Tuesday, and You're like, dude,

1513
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: that is the one of the greatest throes I've ever seen.

1514
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: Seventy yards flat footed being tackled.

1515
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 3: Yes, it's crazy in a bucket.

1516
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: So and I had that game on and you watched

1517
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: the whole game as a as a as one of

1518
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: the switch games. I ended up watching most of it,

1519
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, but and that's what he is.

1520
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: He's a yes, but he will make a throw you've

1521
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 2: never seen in your life, and they'll make fifteen throws

1522
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: into the bleachers yep. And it's just he just seeds

1523
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: to play a lot of football. We talked about that

1524
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: with the UFL thing. With him, like he really needs

1525
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: to play like ten games in the spring. But if

1526
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: if I were a team that had a quarterback spot

1527
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: and was good at grooming them, I would acquire him

1528
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: in a second at just turning twenty three that ball

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Speaker 2: of clay.

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Speaker 7: Have you guys mentioned Brian Robinson yet today? Is there

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 7: an update he's been excused from practice today?

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 3: Well, their trade, they're working on a trade.

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01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 7: Work is clearly at the final stages of some kind

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Speaker 7: of trade.

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: Where would be a landing spot for Brian Robinson? I

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: think are there are plenty of There's a lot, but

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like a running.

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 4: They want to powerish back. It would be a team

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 4: that wants a power back to.

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Speaker 3: Go with it.

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean I initially thought of Rabel, but I mean

1542
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: they have Remandre and they've got they just d have Travion,

1543
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's there.

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01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Travion, yes, but Travion's also not exactly He's not

1545
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 4: that quick Houston, and I know they have Chubb and

1546
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 4: they've got mixing, but mixing up and Chubb is you know,

1547
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 4: we don't know exactly what he's going to be coming

1548
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 4: back from his.

1549
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 3: From his situation there and they're going for it. Yeah,

1550
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: and they're fully in on it.

1551
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, Washington makes a lot of sense for him,

1552
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 4: which is where he is. Yeah, I could see him

1553
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 4: in Denver as kind of you know, Sean Payton's always

1554
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 4: liked kind of a powerback compliment to R. J.

1555
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 3: Harvey. Chicago. Who does Chicago having that big back?

1556
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 5: Dean?

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: They don't have a big do they know? Yeah, there'll

1558
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: be there will be suitors.

1559
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tennessee yecause they've got they've got a taj Spears,

1560
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 4: but they don't have like.

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 3: A bigger back. Isn't Pollard there?

1562
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 4: Pollard, I mean, is the number one, but he's not. Again,

1563
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 4: he's not a big back. No, they don't have a

1564
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 4: big back. No, Yeah, does make sense.

1565
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just keep him in Washington if I was.

1566
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: Supposedly, there is a great deal of disquietude there, and

1567
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 4: they like Rodriguez and this and this.

1568
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 3: Rookie. Okay, you never know what's gonna pop.

1569
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 2: A little bit of drama in Pittsburgh, Cam Hayward in

1570
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: uniform going through individual girls. There's no movement on his

1571
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: request for a renegotiating contract. Hayward did start a hold

1572
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: in to start camp. Uh, these are all not a

1573
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: thing until something changes for me, Like that's when he's

1574
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: not there week one, then it's a thing. When Trey

1575
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 2: Henderson is playing for the Las Vegas Raiders, then it'll

1576
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: be a thing until then. McLaurin, like all of these things,

1577
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: like they inevitably just get done. YEP is the way

1578
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: that it typically works. So we'll see where that goes.

1579
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 2: But that that's that's when you'll start paying attention to that.

1580
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: From this side of things. We'll go one on one

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Speaker 2: in our Receiver Room Z with coach Chad o'sha coming

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1590
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Speaker 4: Very happy to be joined in studio by a great

1591
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 4: friend of this program. Browns wide receiver coach Chad O'Shea

1592
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 4: and I know his titles are more vast than that.

1593
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 4: He's got his hand in everything going on with this

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: passing game here. But coach, always a pleasure to talk

1595
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 4: to you. Great, to see how you've been.

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Speaker 11: Great to be here. Everything's going great. You know, this

1597
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 11: is such a fun time of the year for us.

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 11: You know, it's at the conclusion of our training camp,

1599
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 11: obviously getting ready for an exciting season for us this year.

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Speaker 11: But I've been so impressed with the competitiveness that we've

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Speaker 11: had within the receiving group this year. It's been a

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01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 11: lot of fun We've had that the compete come from

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 11: all different levels, you know, from our rookies that have

1604
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 11: done so well, to our veterans that are coming back

1605
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 11: that have been with us too. And Jerry have just

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 11: been so competitive in everything that they've done, whether it's

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 11: been in the meeting room or on the field or

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 11: in a walk through setting. I just have been really

1609
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 11: impressed with the way we've approached this preseason.

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Speaker 4: When you say competitive, what does that mean to you?

1611
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 4: When they come into it, for example, competitive in the

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01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 4: meeting room, what does that mean?

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think being competitive in the meeting room. You know,

1614
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 11: it takes a lot for these guys to come in.

1615
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 11: We have lengthy meetings, and it takes a lot for

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 11: him to focus at times, you know, but we've had

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 11: just a lot of attention and focus in the meetings.

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 11: They've been so locked in. I think that's the good

1619
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 11: way to put it. They've been locked in. And I

1620
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 11: think what happens when you're locked in and you have

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 11: that detail in the meeting and you do compete in

1622
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 11: the meeting room, it shows up on the field, in

1623
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 11: the detail in the field. So you know, we are

1624
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 11: very fortunate to have a smart group of skill players here,

1625
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 11: not only the receivers, but I would say the offensive

1626
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 11: unit has just a great ability to function mentally. So,

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 11: you know, with that skill set, I do think it's

1628
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 11: a talent a skill set. You know, their intelligence, they

1629
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 11: combine that with their preparation in the meeting rooms and

1630
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 11: on the field, you have a product that you're proud of.

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Speaker 4: I think you've seen that in the preseason games, right,

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 4: I mean it didn't matter kind of as the game

1633
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 4: went on and different people came in, the efficiency, effectiveness

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 4: and the operation stayed steady.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, what's most important this year for I think in

1636
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 11: any preseason is just what is the operation? You know,

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 11: where are we from a communication standpoint, breaking the huddle,

1638
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 11: getting lined up?

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Speaker 3: All those things are so important.

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Speaker 11: And then obviously after that comes you know, seeing these

1641
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 11: guys and their ability and their skill set and all

1642
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 11: those things. But I've just been so impressed. Again it

1643
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 11: goes back to their work ethic led by Jerry. Judy

1644
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 11: has been a great leader for us. He's emerged as

1645
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 11: a leader for US this season, which has been great. Obviously,

1646
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 11: he put a great product on the field last year

1647
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 11: and he just stays day to day and really has

1648
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 11: been a leader in our receiver room with a lot

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Speaker 11: of young guys, you know it all levels. We've been

1650
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 11: fortunate to sign some free agents that have done a

1651
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 11: great job of just you know, taking what we give

1652
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 11: him every day, working hard and trying to improve. And

1653
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 11: that's really been so much fun for us as a

1654
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 11: coaching staff to just see their development regardless of the

1655
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 11: skill levels. You know, like different guys have different skill levels. Sure,

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Speaker 11: whether it's a first round draft pick that might be

1657
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 11: more talented than the next guy, but they've all improved

1658
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 11: regardless of their skill level. And that's ultimately one of

1659
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 11: the reasons we're in coaching is to see your players

1660
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 11: improve and to try to get them to be the

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Speaker 11: best version of themselves on the field, all.

1662
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Speaker 4: Right, to maximize whatever that ball of clay can be

1663
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 4: get that beautiful art you mentioned Jerry Judy, it's been

1664
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 4: fun to watch them.

1665
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 3: I think he's at a tremendous camp.

1666
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 4: Again when we've traveled, whether it be in Philadelphia, whether

1667
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 4: it be in Charlotte, and those those were kind of

1668
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 4: his preseason, right, those joint prexes.

1669
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Speaker 3: He's been great and you mentioned to be a leader.

1670
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 4: He's very vocal out there in Charlotte, not only with

1671
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 4: our team, but with their team as well, and it

1672
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 4: was great to see.

1673
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a guy that loves the game of football.

1674
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 11: I mean, I'll use the word passion. He's got great

1675
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 11: passion for the game of football. U he loves it.

1676
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 11: And he's also very intelligent. H and he's got good

1677
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 11: leadership skills, you know. And it's been nice to see

1678
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 11: him in each of these competitive settings we've had the

1679
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 11: last couple of weeks, whether it's versus Carolina or Philadelphia,

1680
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 11: show up in those settings to still you know, be

1681
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 11: that leader we can count on from the receiver position.

1682
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 11: So I can't say enough about Jerry and his development here.

1683
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 11: You know, we've this is our second call it lap

1684
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 11: around the track with Jerry, and we've learned so much

1685
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 11: about him, and I think he's learned a lot about

1686
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 11: us as a coaching staff and just you know who

1687
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 11: we are and how we can utilize him to be

1688
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 11: again the best that he can.

1689
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: Be, which is quite good. Yeah, really excited about him,

1690
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: So quite good. I talked about a couple of young guys.

1691
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 4: Cedric Tillman coming off that injury, obviously got some reps

1692
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 4: in the game, made a nice catch in that one.

1693
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 4: But you know, he was so kind of hot for

1694
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 4: those three games, right, he was kind of top five

1695
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 4: in the league and catches yards and touchdowns over a

1696
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 4: three week period. Then unfortunately the concussion happens. He's been back,

1697
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 4: how you him kind of picked back up and continue.

1698
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1699
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 11: You know, last year we had arrow up right, a

1700
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 11: trajectory that was going really fast of him developing into

1701
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 11: the player that we all envisioned and expect it. And

1702
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 11: I just see that injury last year is a parenthesis,

1703
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 11: you know, just a minor setback he's coming back in

1704
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 11: the offseason another players I talked about the entire group

1705
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 11: just working so hard. He's done that and it was

1706
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 11: great to see him in this last game. You know,

1707
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 11: we were very intentional about getting him some reps in there.

1708
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 11: Did you try to continue in his development and it's

1709
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 11: part of the process, and he came through for us.

1710
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 11: You know, had a nice catch and competed in the

1711
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 11: run game, which you know sometimes gets unnoticed, but it's

1712
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 11: a very important part of our offense right now, is

1713
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 11: just to have somebody in the run game from the

1714
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 11: receiving group, yep, that can go in and compete and

1715
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 11: really you know, have a physical presence to be a

1716
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 11: factor in the run game. So you know, we we

1717
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 11: think have said a lot in the past game, but

1718
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 11: we also appreciate him being unselfish for the football team

1719
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 11: and competing and and you know doing some of the

1720
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,839
Speaker 11: dirty workforce inside.

1721
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: We'd like to run some of those pin pulls you need, Yeah,

1722
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 2: you got to have the pin and.

1723
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 11: He's done a great job of that. So but you know,

1724
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 11: Cedric would be the first one. Hey, we got a

1725
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 11: long way to go. We all got a long way

1726
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 11: to go. But he's a young player that has a

1727
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 11: lot of upside.

1728
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 4: Speaking of another young player, Jamari Thrash, you know, rookie

1729
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 4: year not involved much so far this camp been very involved.

1730
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 4: We saw it obviously there in the game in Philadelphia

1731
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 4: and even you know, in the joint practices as well,

1732
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 4: getting meaningful reps. His arrow seems to be pointing up

1733
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 4: what's kind of been in your mind? What's what's been

1734
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: that leap for him in year two?

1735
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 11: The leap has been the word consistency. You know, that's

1736
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 11: from year one to year two, I've seen him be

1737
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 11: such a more of a consistent player, whether it's catching

1738
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 11: the football or his consistency and route running. His consistency

1739
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 11: and the detail of what we're asking him to do.

1740
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 11: Definitely saw glimpses of it in his first year. Yeah,

1741
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 11: and I think time on task has helped him. You know,

1742
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 11: he's been out there and we've put him, as I say,

1743
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 11: the eye of the star and seeing if he can

1744
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 11: handle it, and he has and he's come through. But

1745
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 11: the one thing that I think of when I say,

1746
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 11: you know, where's Jamari from year one to year two,

1747
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 11: it's he's a more consistent football player, and ultimately that's

1748
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 11: going to help our team.

1749
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 4: How much is it for these guys that maybe it

1750
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 4: does kind of take a year to just understand the system,

1751
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 4: and I realize we're kind of going back to an

1752
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: older system but incorporating a lot of things obviously with

1753
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 4: you and with Tommy just having been able to play fast,

1754
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 4: not thinking, you know, for a guy like Jamari.

1755
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,480
Speaker 11: Right, and that that's the key, you know, So it's consistency.

1756
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 11: But to have any consistency, you have to be able

1757
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 11: to play aggressively and play fast, and the only way

1758
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 11: you can do that is obviously knowledge of the system,

1759
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 11: knowledge of fundamentals. You know, you just think of like

1760
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 11: what it entails to be a first year player. You know,

1761
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 11: it's a long process for those guys to go through

1762
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 11: the draft process. It's very emotional. Then they take it's

1763
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 11: going to be the longest season in their first year

1764
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 11: that they've ever experienced. So there's really a lot going

1765
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 11: on in that first year. They're trying to learn, learn

1766
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 11: the building, learn the people in the building, and so

1767
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 11: there's so much that it goes into, you know, helping

1768
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 11: the team in your first year. In the second year,

1769
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 11: there's so many of the things that you know that

1770
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 11: rookie transition. Yeah, the sophomore year is different, and we

1771
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 11: expect it to be different, and we expect more out

1772
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 11: of these guys going into their second year. And Jamar

1773
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 11: is a great example of again more consistent, but that

1774
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 11: consistency has come just from him being able to play fast,

1775
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 11: play aggressive because he knows what to do and he

1776
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 11: knows the detail of what we expect.

1777
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 4: You mentioned earlier some of the young guys that have

1778
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 4: come in, and obviously Luke Florio was having a great

1779
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 4: camp and made the nice catch in the hamstring and

1780
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: hopefully we'll see him back here again. But Gage Larvadan

1781
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 4: has been just kind of flashing the whole time. When

1782
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 4: you find a guy like that who obviously has the

1783
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 4: work ethic, obviously has the knowledge to be able to

1784
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 4: absorb the information, and then you get to see him

1785
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 4: kind of excel as a coach, I'm sure that's gratifying.

1786
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 4: But what's made Gauge special?

1787
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, very gratifying to see these young guys be successful

1788
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 11: to include Gauge. I mean, Gauge has been so impressive

1789
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 11: from he just it's not too big for Gauge right now.

1790
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 11: You know, every situation we put him in whether it's

1791
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 11: been a preseason game or a joint practice where he

1792
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 11: was repping against you know, they're ones, the best.

1793
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 5: That they have.

1794
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 11: He hasn't turned to turn it down. You know, he's

1795
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 11: gone and made plays. I would say he's probably made

1796
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 11: as many plays, you know, as we've had in the

1797
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 11: receiver group just over time, because he's had so many opportunities.

1798
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 11: You know, he's repped with the young group, we've stuck

1799
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 11: him in there with the twos, we've stuck him in

1800
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 11: with the one, so he's repped really across the board,

1801
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 11: so he's maximized his opportunities. He's got just a really

1802
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 11: special skill set. I've really enjoyed working with him. And

1803
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 11: the part that you don't see by just looking at

1804
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 11: the film or on the practice field is he's very

1805
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 11: very smart. This guy can line up anywhere. I don't

1806
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 11: think there's there's been very I can't count on one

1807
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 11: hand the mental air since he's been here, and that's

1808
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 11: a lot of snaps because he's had a lot of reps.

1809
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 11: But very intelligent, can line up across the board for us.

1810
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 11: Got a great skill set and I'm very excited about

1811
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 11: watching him again finish the preseason strong this.

1812
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: Week, speaking of one of the skills in his skill set.

1813
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 4: I have never seen the first guy get him. And

1814
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like it's almost like he goes invisible for

1815
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 4: a second.

1816
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 2: He's right in front of him. But he must have

1817
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 2: just incredible short area burst.

1818
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, his run after catch the ball in hand ability

1819
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 11: is very good, you know. And he's got great start

1820
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 11: and stop Athletically, he's got good change of direction, short

1821
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,480
Speaker 11: area athleticism.

1822
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 5: You know.

1823
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 11: He's a former basketball player, played basketball down at Southeastern

1824
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 11: Louisiana to start his career, so he's very athletic. Told

1825
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 11: me ran a sub rated a five minute mile his

1826
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 11: freshman year in high school, which is impressive.

1827
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 5: Moving.

1828
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 3: This guy's are just a he's a.

1829
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 11: Good athlete, you know, and he's really succeeded in a

1830
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 11: lot of things he's done athletically. But one of the

1831
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 11: things we see is with the ball in his hands,

1832
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 11: he's got the ability to make the first guy miss.

1833
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 4: Yet there's no doubt about that, all right, Isaiah Bond.

1834
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 4: Obviously a lot of work was done on him. He's

1835
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: got a skill set. Obviously, Tommy knows him very well,

1836
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 4: and you and Tommy have been quite the fashionistas on

1837
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 4: the road on game days here so far this preseason,

1838
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 4: so I know, I'm sure you guys have talked about

1839
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 4: a lot. What can he bring to the table. It

1840
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: has gets so excited.

1841
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, the first thing is obviously the speed. You know,

1842
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 11: he brings a lot of speed of explosiveness to our group.

1843
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 11: I think that's so important to have that piece of

1844
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 11: the puzzle, you know. The important thing for us right now,

1845
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 11: and it always is true of going into the regular

1846
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 11: season when you put your team together, is like, let's

1847
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 11: put the pieces of the puzzle together, and what do

1848
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 11: we need to be successful? And there's different skill sets

1849
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 11: and different roles each player brings. I would say the

1850
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 11: one that he brings into the building right now that's

1851
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 11: not going to really change in time because.

1852
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 3: Is his speed.

1853
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 11: You know, he can really run. So now, got a

1854
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 11: long way to go as far as what we just

1855
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 11: talked about with the transition of a first year player

1856
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 11: into the NFL and so many things that go with that,

1857
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 11: and he'll have his challenges along the way, but his

1858
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 11: speed play bringing that to the table. If we can

1859
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 11: utilize that and he can go out there and help

1860
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 11: the team with that skill set, it's really going to

1861
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 11: help us offensively.

1862
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 4: Now, knowing you as well as I have over the

1863
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 4: last few years, I know that you are as important

1864
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 4: as their ability is important as there you know, playing

1865
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 4: the receiver position. You care very much about who they

1866
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 4: are as a person. And I've talked to you many

1867
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 4: times about guys and I'm like, hey, I really like

1868
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 4: this guy and You're like, I'm not so sure about

1869
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 4: him as a person coming into our building. And so

1870
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 4: for you and and this organization to sign off on

1871
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 4: Isaiah Bond, obviously, I'm sure you spent time with them.

1872
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 3: You've got some comfort there.

1873
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, there is, And I think that, you know, our

1874
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 11: process is an organization, it's really important for us to

1875
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:47,919
Speaker 11: be thorough. You know, the coaching staff feels so strongly

1876
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 11: about this subject. You know, we want to coach guys

1877
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 11: that are that are good guys, good players that are

1878
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 11: going to help our team win, that really have the

1879
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 11: traits that our head coach talks about daily. So you know,

1880
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 11: obviously we've had you know, we've had done our homework

1881
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 11: on a lot of different guys through the draft, through

1882
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 11: the process, and some don't work out, but anyone we

1883
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 11: bring into the program, we feel like, look, they're going

1884
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 11: to help us win, and we have a chance to

1885
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 11: develop them and bring them to be the best version

1886
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 11: of themselves. We're going to do that, and I have

1887
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 11: full confidence and Andrew Berry and our leadership here that

1888
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 11: we're always going to have players in our program that

1889
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 11: fit that.

1890
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, hopefully Isaiah can take advantage of this opportunity

1891
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 4: and do just that. One thing's been fun for me

1892
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 4: this training camp is getting to watch you and Bernie interact.

1893
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 3: And you guys go way back.

1894
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 4: I'm not sure people even realize just how far back

1895
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 4: you go, But has that.

1896
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 11: Been kind of cool to see him around all. It's

1897
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 11: been great to see him. You know, it's a special

1898
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 11: thing for me to see him. My dad was the

1899
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 11: athletic trainer at the University of Miami and his hurricane days.

1900
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 11: I wore number nineteen growing up, you know, so I've

1901
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 11: always looked up to Bernie, and you know, it's just

1902
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 11: great to see him around. And I love visiting with him,

1903
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 11: and I've always want to listen to the stories and

1904
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 11: and you know, my dad thinks so much of Bernie

1905
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 11: and he's such a great person, and I'm glad he's

1906
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 11: been around the organization.

1907
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 9: Here.

1908
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 11: I know the guys really enjoy having them around.

1909
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you're a great person, a great coach, and

1910
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 4: we're happy that you're in this organ I appreciate it.

1911
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 4: Thank you, coach for the time, and good luck always.

1912
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, there you go.

1913
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: Hey, Browns fans enter the Dog Dash sweep Sakes presented

1914
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: by Milkporm for a chance to have your pup compete

1915
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 2: in the annual dog Races. It's halftime of the Browns

1916
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: Dolphins game on October nineteenth. Grand prize includes two season

1917
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 2: tickets for the twenty twenty sixth season and Milkbone.

1918
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Speaker 5: For a year.

1919
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: Was a Cleveland Browns dot com slash Milkbone to enter

1920
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 2: that room, got a shot in the arm with Isaiah Bond.

1921
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: And this is, you know, one of the things that

1922
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna be watching here over the next week or

1923
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: so with cutdown dates coming is what rooms get what?

1924
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: And those are things where position coaches are battling for

1925
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: their guys, guys they believe in. Coach is battling for

1926
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: the guys he believes in. But you have to weigh

1927
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 2: it against how the rest of the roster shakes out.

1928
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 2: So we've always thought five.

1929
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 4: Ish it's gonna be five or six, and there are

1930
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: five locks. Yeah, so your five locks are Jerry Judy,

1931
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 4: Cedric Tillman, Jamari Thrash, Isaiah Bond, and DeAndre Carter. So

1932
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 4: the six spot would be if they keep six, Deontay

1933
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 4: Johnson or Gauge Larvadan. And I would imagine, if you're

1934
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 4: looking at it through that lens, if you were to

1935
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 4: keep six, you would go with the young guy, Gauge Larvadan,

1936
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 4: because you have to wonder if you could get him

1937
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 4: to the practice squad given the need for receivers around

1938
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 4: the league right now. And I think for Deontay Johnson

1939
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 4: at times he's looked very very good, but I think

1940
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 4: he would have to be your kind of clear number

1941
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 4: two to stay on the roster because he's not going

1942
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: to give you special teams. So now you could say, well,

1943
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 4: DeAndre Carter's going to do special teams, and you would

1944
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 4: be correct, so you could look at him as well.

1945
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: Then he would be the six.

1946
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 4: But I think to keep Deontaey, it would have to

1947
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 4: be in the mind of the coaches and of the

1948
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 4: front office that this guy's really our number two receiver.

1949
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: And if you get to six, then it's going to

1950
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: come from somewhere everywhere else.

1951
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 4: And you're not going to have six receivers and four

1952
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 4: cores because that's ten, no way. And you need three

1953
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 4: tight ends, so that's thirteen. So three running backs and

1954
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 4: that's sixteen. I think you're going to have nine or

1955
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 4: ten on the offensive line.

1956
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 3: So there's no way twenty. You can't do all of it.

1957
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: You can't do all of it.

1958
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 4: No, no, no, And I think twenty five on offense

1959
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 4: will be asking a lot because this is a team

1960
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 4: that's gonna have ten on the defensive line. It's gonna

1961
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 4: have at a minimum of ten in the secondary yep,

1962
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 4: potentially eleven, and it's going to have five or six

1963
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 4: in at linebacker because you need these guys special for

1964
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Speaker 4: special teams of course.

1965
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1966
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it feels like a minimum of twenty six

1967
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 2: defense defense.

1968
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that would put you at twenty four offense.

1969
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: And that's why four quarterbacks is hard. It's very difficult.

1970
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: It's it's very very difficult.

1971
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so I'm very curious what the preseason

1972
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: plan is for Saturday and what that looks like and

1973
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: how coach decides to play those guys. He said, yesterday

1974
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: and he has an availability about twenty minutes. But he

1975
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 2: said yesterday and is availability or I think it was

1976
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Monday his availability that you know, we'll give that plan

1977
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: later in the week. I think that'll be very interesting

1978
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 2: because obviously the Rams aren't doing anything. Yeah, so does

1979
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: it make sense to throw Flacco and Botonio and those

1980
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: guys out there and play?

1981
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Speaker 4: I think if Flacco wants to be out there, and

1982
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 4: then the question, right, if Flack goes out there, well

1983
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 4: then you want Patonio out there. But I think Tevin Jenkins.

1984
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 4: You could be fine putting Tevin Jenkins in there. You'd

1985
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 4: be fine putting you know, Cornelis Lucas or Jackson Barton

1986
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 4: at right tackle, these guys who played in the league before. Yeah,

1987
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 4: and say, okay, we at least have veterans up there

1988
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 4: in front of them. The series or two see on

1989
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 4: down the road. Yeah, all right, buddy, the next level

1990
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Speaker 4: is coming up next.

1991
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Speaker 3: We're back tomorrow. Things for those.

1992
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Speaker 2: Long You're gonna need a new clothes. I don't know

1993
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1994
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1995
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1998
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