Speaker 1: Hey everyone. I'm Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: New Jersey.
Speaker 2: I joined the show in season nine, and I'm Jen Fessler,
Speaker 2: also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I
Speaker 2: guess I joined in season twelve. Jack I think so yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: keep up? No season thirteen, you joined Sason thirteen would
Speaker 2: you be without me?
Speaker 1: And Welcome to our new podcast, To Your Jersey.
Speaker 2: We're so excited to do this, guys. It's Kith. It
Speaker 2: escapes you Jay. The Jay stands for Jackie Jennifer maybe Jewish,
Speaker 2: maybe Jersey Jersey.
Speaker 1: But you know, this podcast is going to be We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about everything, no holds barred. It's going
Speaker 1: to be everything like motherhood, health, love.
Speaker 2: Things that are going on really in our lives. Jackie,
Speaker 2: I'm fifty five, Jackie's forty seven, So there's like an
Speaker 2: interesting range here. And you know, in terms of like
Speaker 2: both of us being middle age creeping up to old age,
Speaker 2: I think a little faster. We're going to.
Speaker 1: Dive right in with something that Jen and I have
Speaker 1: never spoken about before. You know, if you don't mind
Speaker 1: me talking for one second, I will say Jen and
Speaker 1: I are very very similar women. We are both middle
Speaker 1: aged Jewish women from New Jersey, and we have the
Speaker 1: same job and the same circle of friends. But there
Speaker 1: is one very big, glaring difference between us.
Speaker 2: So I have been on and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: call it. Everybody calls it ozempic, right, that's sort of
Speaker 2: been the umbrella name. But I've been on what's called
Speaker 2: semigluetide for over a year now and I've lost maybe
Speaker 2: twenty two pounds.
Speaker 1: And I am an outspoken advocate for eating disorder recovery
Speaker 1: and a very strong opponent of semigluetides. For losing those
Speaker 1: last ten pounds, I think it's a very danger trend,
Speaker 1: but out of respect for each other in our friendship,
Speaker 1: we have never.
Speaker 2: Discussed it, unlike I think, I think that our podcast
Speaker 2: is not going to be a housewives podcast per se,
Speaker 2: but also different in that I think sometimes it Maybe
Speaker 2: you all have noticed that housewives tend to escalate situations
Speaker 2: that don't have to become so volatile do become volatile,
Speaker 2: and Jackie and I have never had that kind of
Speaker 2: energy between us. We don't intend on having it between us.
Speaker 2: Clearly we're not going to agree on maybe not just
Speaker 2: ozempic semi glue type, but a lot of things, and
Speaker 2: we're going to really make an effort to talk things
Speaker 2: through in an adult way and in a way that's
Speaker 2: respectful of both of us and our friendship. Right, So
Speaker 2: let's dive in.
Speaker 1: So I think that it's a very dangerous trend to
Speaker 1: use ozempic just to lose you know, those last ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen pounds. And now I am in my job.
Speaker 1: We're on a cast of nine women. Okay, so take
Speaker 1: me out of it. There's eight posts stars on this show,
Speaker 1: and more than half of them are on ozembic, so I.
Speaker 2: Can't verify that, but I know that more than half
Speaker 2: of us have definitely lost considerable amount of weight. Well,
Speaker 2: there's only one person who lost a lot of weight
Speaker 2: that hasn't confirmed that they're on a semba glue tide. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I have questions for Jen that I have never asked
Speaker 2: her because it's not only personal medical decision that she made,
Speaker 2: but also like we don't want to fight with each other,
Speaker 2: which we're not going to, but there are things that
Speaker 2: I've wanted to know that I have never asked her.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you. I'm a hundred by the way,
Speaker 2: ask away I've got that is going to be the
Speaker 2: beauty of us. Ask me anything, okay, Like, first of all,
Speaker 2: aren't you nervous? Like don't you worry?
Speaker 1: Like if it was me and I'm a paranoid person
Speaker 1: to begin with, but like every ache and painn I
Speaker 1: would have been like, uh oh, is that the side
Speaker 1: effects that I don't know about? Is that the stuff
Speaker 1: that they haven't researched yet, Like don't you get nervous?
Speaker 2: So I am a raging hypochondria, which you know. But
Speaker 2: it's very strange because when it comes to things having
Speaker 2: to do with my physical appearance, somehow that just goes
Speaker 2: out the window. For instance, like I am not afraid
Speaker 2: at all of going into surgery for anything cosmetic. I
Speaker 2: might be afraid of going into surgery. I haven't really
Speaker 2: had any surgeries other than cosmetic, So I'm just being
Speaker 2: real with you guys. But no, I'm not afraid of ozebic.
Speaker 2: And I will tell you I have had an experience
Speaker 2: that was not good where that I'm pretty positive it
Speaker 2: was about the semi glue tide, but where I had
Speaker 2: to go to the hospital for an impacted bowel. So
Speaker 2: let me be like really open about that, and I'm
Speaker 2: still not nervous about it.
Speaker 1: No pun intended being really open. Yeah, so what happened
Speaker 1: with that? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: So I was started to So one of these side
Speaker 2: effects can be constipation, and I was having constipation, and
Speaker 2: in true gen festal form, I just did nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Didn't really bother me. I was drinking no water, eating
Speaker 2: no vegetables because you know, something that happens A new
Speaker 2: experience for me is being able to eat what I want,
Speaker 2: even when it's not the most healthy choices and still
Speaker 2: lose weight. Right, so maybe for the first time in
Speaker 2: my life, I'm like losing weight on pizza and bagels
Speaker 2: and ice cream. Having said that, I noticed that there
Speaker 2: was constipation. I didn't do anything about it. I wasn't
Speaker 2: taking MiraLax, right, so you take every morning or any
Speaker 2: kind of stool softener. It hadn't gone in a week.
Speaker 2: Then it was a week and a half, And are
Speaker 2: you kidding? I just didn't I know. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say two things. Number One, I'm aware that there are
Speaker 2: side effects, so I can't take that away from all
Speaker 2: what all of this is. But I will also say
Speaker 2: that I am to blame for ignoring them and allowing
Speaker 2: it to escalate to the point where I became impacted.
Speaker 2: So I haven't since and this is going back months
Speaker 2: and months ago, so it's not the same. So now
Speaker 2: I drink water, I take my relax I am trying
Speaker 2: to eat in a more healthy way than I used to,
Speaker 2: and I haven't had a problem since.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about do you worry about the muscle loss
Speaker 1: and have you Do you get checked for that?
Speaker 2: Yes, so I get checked for that. I probably go
Speaker 2: in every month is sometimes six weeks, and I've lost muscle.
Speaker 2: So let me say that, and that's dangerous. Well, so
Speaker 2: here's the thing with that. Okay, again, I'm like the extreme,
Speaker 2: I guess the extreme example because I don't care, like
Speaker 2: I don't exercise, and I'm going I shouldn't say that
Speaker 2: I just got a personal trainer, because now it is dangerous,
Speaker 2: especially at fifty five, when you do lose you know,
Speaker 2: so much bone mass and you do lose muscle. And
Speaker 2: I know I probably sound so irresponsible, but I haven't
Speaker 2: been worried about it. If I had been more worried
Speaker 2: about it, I would have done something about it, like,
Speaker 2: for instance, lift weights and exercise. So physically, I feel
Speaker 2: a lot better in clothes. When I'm not in close,
Speaker 2: I look ninety because I have a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: I've gone up and down by more than twenty pounds
Speaker 2: in my life, by a lot more than twenty pounds.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of skin that exists now when
Speaker 2: you lose muscle and fat. But again I have to
Speaker 2: take responsibility for that in the sense that you know,
Speaker 2: you don't put on muscle when you just lay in
Speaker 2: a horizon on your bed eating chips. It doesn't work
Speaker 2: like that. So now I have recently hired a personal trainer,
Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of this you have
Speaker 2: to be proactive about. Am I worried about it? No?
Speaker 2: Am I aware of it and a little disappointed in
Speaker 2: myself for not addressing it soon or sure?
Speaker 1: Right, So tell me what you think about this. So recently,
Speaker 1: Sharon Osborne, there was a story about her, There's been
Speaker 1: a bunch of stories about her that she went on
Speaker 1: ozempic or a sema gluetae. I use ozembic as an
Speaker 1: umbrella term for all of these drugs. And she was
Speaker 1: on it for a while, I guess, and she lost
Speaker 1: a ton of weight. And she said that she has
Speaker 1: since stopped using it, but that she cannot gain any
Speaker 1: weight back, and that she's under one hundred pounds and
Speaker 1: no matter what she does, she can't gain weight back.
Speaker 1: And that just makes me think what must have happened
Speaker 1: to her goddamn insides for her body to be malfunctioning
Speaker 1: like that right now?
Speaker 2: Right? Doesn't that make you worry? No, it doesn't. Here's
Speaker 2: why I was just thinking about this because I have
Speaker 2: a friend who's about to go in for a tummy
Speaker 2: tuck and she's freaking out because I think it was
Speaker 2: Kanye West's mom who died after having a tommy tuck,
Speaker 2: Like I don't there's I feel like there's always going
Speaker 2: to be someone out there with anything, with any kind
Speaker 2: of drug, medicine, operation surgery. Right, there's always that exception
Speaker 2: to the rule. My experience so far has been has
Speaker 2: been that is not the rule. That what happens what
Speaker 2: happened to Sharon Osbourne happens to the majority of people
Speaker 2: on this medication. I also feel like this medication has
Speaker 2: been around for longer than people realize for people with diabetes,
Speaker 2: or people with diabetes, or you don't have diabetes, right right,
Speaker 2: I certainly do not. My daughter does actually have type one,
Speaker 2: but it's for type they use it for type two diabetes.
Speaker 3: Right now, So does your daughter, since your daughter does
Speaker 3: have diabetes, does she have any feeling about you using
Speaker 3: a drug that created a shortage for people who actually
Speaker 3: need it with diabetes.
Speaker 2: Well, so, first of all, well, Rachel has type one diabetes,
Speaker 2: not to be confused with type two, which is who
Speaker 2: the drug has traditionally been prescribed for. So but having
Speaker 2: said that, what I know maybe different from what you know.
Speaker 2: But I was concerned. I don't want to take drugs
Speaker 2: from people that needed that when there was a shortage
Speaker 2: for people that there are life saving drugs out there.
Speaker 2: So I did my own research into it. And what
Speaker 2: was on shortage was not the actual drug itself, right,
Speaker 2: But it was with ozembic. Ozmpic is administered in a pen, right,
Speaker 2: so it's it was a shortage of those pens that
Speaker 2: could administer it. I never used a pen, so I
Speaker 2: used semi glue tide and I did it. I do
Speaker 2: it manually. It's a little syringe, Okay. So that was
Speaker 2: not concern of my daughter's or of mine.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to know I am not judging
Speaker 1: you at I don't feel like these are all just
Speaker 1: the questions that I have really wanted to know, and
Speaker 1: I have more.
Speaker 2: Are you okay I can ask me because I guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that a lot of you know
Speaker 1: my story. But I suffered from anorexia, like severe anorexia
Speaker 1: for almost two decades. So for me, now I'm in
Speaker 1: this place where like I can finally eat again and
Speaker 1: enjoy food again. To watch people intentionally destroying their hunger,
Speaker 1: it just blows my mind because it took me so
Speaker 1: long to get back to that place. So I'm in
Speaker 1: a very different place than like some people in terms
Speaker 1: of like the way that I view how like beautiful
Speaker 1: it is to feel hunger and then eat something.
Speaker 2: So let me say this first of all, I Jackie,
Speaker 2: you know this, but I was riddled with blimia and
Speaker 2: compulsive overeating in my late teens up into my thirties.
Speaker 2: Like when I got pregnant for whatever reason, things started
Speaker 2: to calm down. But anyway, but I still was a
Speaker 2: compulsive overreader, not as much of a bliemic anyway, And
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. So this is how I
Speaker 2: feel about it, because I feel like we were just
Speaker 2: going over the rules as opposed to like why I'm
Speaker 2: even on it. Struggled like you my whole life with
Speaker 2: trying to control my weight, and sometimes I was successful,
Speaker 2: other times I was not, and sometimes it was dangerous
Speaker 2: the way in which I would choose to do that.
Speaker 2: For the first time in my life, I have some
Speaker 2: freedom around food. It feels to me like this is
Speaker 2: how naturally then people must feel right, because it is.
Speaker 2: I do get hungry, but it is different experience. There
Speaker 2: is a mechanism and this also affects hormones, right, So
Speaker 2: there's a mechanism that's happening now in my brain in
Speaker 2: terms of insulin where I don't have that battle that
Speaker 2: I used to have. It is such a freedom for me,
Speaker 2: and I know it must be for people everywhere taking it.
Speaker 2: Having said that, I do think about women like yourself
Speaker 2: who have struggled for so long to watch this all
Speaker 2: of a sudden magic pill come in, and even women
Speaker 2: that maybe didn't have eating disorders but have been living
Speaker 2: existing on you know, chicken and salad, and it must
Speaker 2: be a very strange thing to think there's been so
Speaker 2: much deprivation and now you're watching with this magic pill
Speaker 2: it's not really like that. Well, I think that we have.
Speaker 1: Really different viewpoints on this because to me, and this
Speaker 1: is not about you just in general, you look at
Speaker 1: it like you have this freedom. I look at it
Speaker 1: like you're in a prison forever, like you have got
Speaker 1: to be on this forever. You are trapped if God forbid,
Speaker 1: they start finding other side effects or your bowel gets
Speaker 1: impacted again, or you get nervous that this shit is
Speaker 1: passing through your pancreas, like whatever it is, you're stuck
Speaker 1: because when you come off that drug, unless you're showeron
Speaker 1: Osbourne like, you are probably gaining back all that weight
Speaker 1: and then your head.
Speaker 2: Is going to be in a hill spin. I totally
Speaker 2: hear that, but I am not worried about it, and
Speaker 2: I also not worried about going off of it, like
Speaker 2: we're extreme opposites in this case. Is that because you
Speaker 2: plan to go off of plant right? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the future holds, but I know that it's
Speaker 2: getting approved more and more right for weight loss, and
Speaker 2: I've spoken to my doctors who say it's not something
Speaker 2: that you have to go off of, and my dose
Speaker 2: now is lower than what it was originally. I've actually
Speaker 2: gained a little bit of weight back, which I really
Speaker 2: sad about. Yeah, okay, how much did you lose total?
Speaker 2: And then what did you gain that? Maybe twenty two
Speaker 2: pounds total is what you lost? Yeah, oh, and then
Speaker 2: what'd you gain back? Gained back? I don't know, five pounds,
Speaker 2: so you're only like seventeen pounds lower than you were. Yeah? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, it looks so thin. Yeah, well, something I think
Speaker 1: I loved toothing. I mean, I at one point, I
Speaker 1: think you look beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I've seen pictures where I looked frail, and
Speaker 2: at age fifty five, you know, it's easier to look frail, right,
Speaker 2: So I also was sort of getting to the point
Speaker 2: where I was punched over all of that. I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for that. And by the way, even
Speaker 2: like when it comes to my body and what it
Speaker 2: looks like and the muscle, the only reason I want
Speaker 2: to build muscle is because it's healthy. I I'm getting
Speaker 2: to an age where things are going to break right
Speaker 2: and become brittle and I can't. I don't want that,
Speaker 2: but I'm not. It's not for me anymore about a bikini.
Speaker 2: It's not for me anymore about you know, having this
Speaker 2: perfect body, I don't care one of the other freedoms
Speaker 2: that come along, I guess with getting older.
Speaker 1: So you're on it because you want to eat whatever
Speaker 1: you want without aaining late.
Speaker 2: No, it's a lot more than that. It's not a lot,
Speaker 2: and it's not like I just want to eat more.
Speaker 2: It's a freedom. My whole life, I've been tortured by food,
Speaker 2: thinking about it, eating it, not eating it, like it's
Speaker 2: this ability. We just had Thanksgiving dinner, right and actually
Speaker 2: I was ate a lot, But the days in which
Speaker 2: I would just torture myself continue to eat when I
Speaker 2: wasn't hungry.
Speaker 1: When you look at the housewives world across all the
Speaker 1: different cities there are, and we just saw this at
Speaker 1: Bravo Con. I mean we went to Bravo Con and
Speaker 1: it was like everywhere I turned someone was so thin
Speaker 1: that my eyes were like watering, Like I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: some of these women were half the size they were
Speaker 1: at last year's Bravo And it makes you wonder if
Speaker 1: you didn't have these this very complicated relationship with food
Speaker 1: your whole life, why would you put yourself on a
Speaker 1: drug that you could never come off of.
Speaker 2: This is so let me tell you this. So when
Speaker 2: I got on this drug, you actually were not judgmental.
Speaker 2: But there were lots of women in my life who
Speaker 2: were okay, and specifically for the most part, they were
Speaker 2: women that are thin and that have been thin and
Speaker 2: that really work hard to maintain certain level of thinness.
Speaker 2: Those women that were judgmental, and my family and some
Speaker 2: of my best friends have since gotten on it, which
Speaker 2: I think is so interesting. They want to lose the
Speaker 2: last five pounds soft. So I will say that I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't they were judgmental of me, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying really not to be judgmental of them, but
Speaker 2: it's I think it was hard for them to watch
Speaker 2: somebody who I don't know did indulge so much more
Speaker 2: than they ever did and all of a sudden have this.
Speaker 2: I keep saying, magic pill. Maybe that's obnoxious. If it is,
Speaker 2: I don't mean, oh I don't. It feels like that's
Speaker 2: what it feels like for me. Right, So here here's
Speaker 2: one more question. Do you ever worry about the day,
Speaker 2: Like do you think about what would happen one day
Speaker 2: if they do start finding some side effects with longer
Speaker 2: term use that would scary you enough to go off
Speaker 2: of it. Do you ever worry about having to make
Speaker 2: a choice between your health and gaining back the weight?
Speaker 2: You don't, I can't say that I do worry about it.
Speaker 2: But I'm on other medications for so long that maybe
Speaker 2: people think are unhealthy. I mean, I've been on an
Speaker 2: antidepressant for the past up and down different ones actually
Speaker 2: for the past thirty years. Maybe how am I fifty
Speaker 2: five ish? I mean, I've been on prozac for ages.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm on I'm on an estrogen pellet, which
Speaker 2: there's so much controversy around hormone replacement drugs right and
Speaker 2: back in the day they were maybe a little different,
Speaker 2: But I remember my mom going on estrogen and then
Speaker 2: she really worried about breast cancer and went off of it.
Speaker 2: But it for me that just even that the pellet
Speaker 2: has helped me so much in terms of stopping those
Speaker 2: very difficult those very difficult signs not signs of menopause,
Speaker 2: but the the you know, from the night sweat to
Speaker 2: the hot flashes, to the moods, to the joints, to everything.
Speaker 2: So I guess it's a trade off that I right now,
Speaker 2: maybe not forever, I feel like it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Right, So you were pretty early in the game getting
Speaker 1: on it, Yeah, like before a lot of people. So
Speaker 1: what was that like, I mean, because you were not
Speaker 1: a heavy woman. You weren't this thin, right, but you
Speaker 1: weren't heavy. So like, did you know that your doctor
Speaker 1: was putting you on it or did he.
Speaker 2: Just like put it in? So I think there was
Speaker 2: It's funny because I had a reporter asked me about
Speaker 2: it and I said something to the effect of like
Speaker 2: I had gone on these peptides and then I was
Speaker 2: reading about it. I looked up one day semi glue tide.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a second, this is o zembek. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the same. And I didn't realize it didn't My
Speaker 2: doctor didn't do wasn't trying to trick me. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was very clear, this is semi glue tide and
Speaker 2: this is what it does. But I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily like make that that it didn't click for me
Speaker 2: that it was the same thing. Didn't bother me that
Speaker 2: it was. So you did you know that he was
Speaker 2: putting you on a weight loss Yes, a weight loss peptide. Okay,
Speaker 2: did you know.
Speaker 1: You did he tell you it was something that you
Speaker 1: had to stay on in order to keep the weight off.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, Jack. It was over a year ago,
Speaker 2: so I don't remember exactly how we talked about it.
Speaker 2: But I think that basically the best scenario is that
Speaker 2: you change your eating habits while you're in while you
Speaker 2: feel like you have more control. You then train yourself
Speaker 2: right to eat less, to eat and the more to
Speaker 2: make healthier choices. But training yourself to eat less is
Speaker 2: shown in the studies that it doesn't work because when
Speaker 2: you go off of it, the studies show, I don't
Speaker 2: know from firsthand knowledge, the studies show that your appetite
Speaker 2: comes back really strongly, so that you have no control
Speaker 2: over that. You really don't.
Speaker 1: You can control how you exercise and the way you eat,
Speaker 1: but you're you're really hungry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I believe that, Yeah, I can
Speaker 2: only be honest. Like when and when I was one
Speaker 2: of the first. I think probably I'm not I'm a
Speaker 2: friend of a housewife, but one of the first. You're
Speaker 2: in it in that world who was sort of open
Speaker 2: about it, right, I mean, isn't that true? Like, because
Speaker 2: I know Andy Cohen asked.
Speaker 1: Me one of the very first and then Dolores was
Speaker 1: open about it, and Dolores said something. Who said something?
Speaker 1: And Dolores is very honest and I love her.
Speaker 2: She said something that hit me.
Speaker 1: It was like she said, well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: show up to reunion and be the fattest person there,
Speaker 1: will be the only person there's fat. And I remember thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gaining all this weight while everyone else is losing it.
Speaker 2: Is that going to be me?
Speaker 1: And am I going to be the person who's going
Speaker 1: to show up and be heavier than everyone else?
Speaker 2: And it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was almost like I was so grateful that I
Speaker 1: was okay with that possibility, because never before what I
Speaker 1: have beene okay with that possibility.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, if I am my own It's
Speaker 2: funny because I look at you now and to me,
Speaker 2: you're maybe we shouldn't even I don't want this to
Speaker 2: like be triggering.
Speaker 1: No, I thought, I don't get triggered. I don't get triggered. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not so well. I guess it's all relative. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like emaciated for my whole life, and now
Speaker 1: I'm like a very I'm still on the thinner side,
Speaker 1: but I'm.
Speaker 2: Definitely in the normal room. Yeah, No, you don't look,
Speaker 2: you don't exact. Yeah, But I will also say, just
Speaker 2: because we're talking about like being one of the first
Speaker 2: people to talk or to be open about it, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people still are not open about it.
Speaker 2: I don't have shame around it. No, And you shouldn't. No, No,
Speaker 2: maybe you should. Maybe No, nobody should have shame about it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not judging.
Speaker 1: I know more than anyone what that that that desire
Speaker 1: to be in. I know what that is more than anyone.
Speaker 1: And I nearly killed myself and when I don't say
Speaker 1: that lightly like I could have had I had just
Speaker 1: my body fell hart from anorexia. So I know what
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not judging anyone.
Speaker 2: And I also honestly, like got very sick when I
Speaker 2: was in the throes of bolimia. But I will tell
Speaker 2: you that I don't tend to hide things like this
Speaker 2: and the other because I don't even understand why people do,
Speaker 2: just like I don't hide anything about you asked me
Speaker 2: a plastic surgery I've had. I'm happy to tell you
Speaker 2: about each and everyone, and there are a lot of them.
Speaker 2: But I also I the other piece of this that
Speaker 2: I think that people don't talk about, is that this
Speaker 2: medication has helped me, not just with weight loss. And again,
Speaker 2: I don't think this has talked about a lot. But
Speaker 2: I am. I have an addictive personality and I'm a
Speaker 2: heavy drinker. There were days like back back years ago
Speaker 2: where I had to like, I was questioning my relationship
Speaker 2: with alcohol and I actually checked myself into like an
Speaker 2: outpatient program three days a week because I was unsure
Speaker 2: of whether or not I could stop drinking and it
Speaker 2: was very scary to me. And really, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a whole other that's different. You know that I was
Speaker 2: once addicted to horse racing. I had an OTB account
Speaker 2: and I used to tune into the channels and watch OTB.
Speaker 2: I don't know if OTB is even still around. I
Speaker 2: used to watch the races and call in bets all
Speaker 2: day long. Well, you also maybe have an addicted personal
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I want to say, and think
Speaker 2: I got more and more control over it after I
Speaker 2: sort of came to terms the fact that I needed
Speaker 2: to look at it, thankfully. But having said that, when
Speaker 2: was that when did you come to terms of the
Speaker 2: years ago? Nice was never known you to drink like yeah, maybe, Like, well,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. I never got so out of control that
Speaker 2: they weren't. I never got a dui. I wasn't like
Speaker 2: you know, but I was drinking every day. I was
Speaker 2: drinking wine that whole what is it called the whole
Speaker 2: mommy medicine? Oh yeah, yeah, and and too much. And
Speaker 2: my point in all of this is that on semi
Speaker 2: glue tide, it's I have an aversion to it and
Speaker 2: it's not just drinking. So it's now being I've seen
Speaker 2: this all over the news. I don't know if you have,
Speaker 2: but it's very helpful with addiction, period. Right, So all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm in a place where it's just
Speaker 2: not that appealing to me. I still drink, like if
Speaker 2: we're out, you know that we're out. I drink, and
Speaker 2: there are times I drink more. Yeah, but it's not
Speaker 2: it's not what it was. And I love that, all right.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you another question, because this is
Speaker 1: you know a lot of things about using semaglue tide
Speaker 1: just for weight loss horrify me because I think that
Speaker 1: you're setting yourself up for a life long use of
Speaker 1: the drug where there are not long term studies on
Speaker 1: people without diabetes, and there are very like very important,
Speaker 1: like very bad side effects that can happen.
Speaker 2: But you're an adult, okay, sometimes.
Speaker 1: And if you choose that path instead of you know,
Speaker 1: dietitians and trainers like I've chose right, okay, but you're
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 2: You're an adult woman.
Speaker 1: So if you choose to lose weight with a semaglue
Speaker 1: tite instead of other paths, that's one thing. Right now,
Speaker 1: the FDA is about to approve this for children.
Speaker 2: I know a couple kids on it.
Speaker 1: Well, they're technically not supposed to be honest it yet
Speaker 1: I don't think because.
Speaker 2: It's they were by their endocrinot wait, I should actually
Speaker 2: do the caveat their endocrinologists prescribed it because in a
Speaker 2: few cases, like they were either pre diabetic. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a different story, right. I would have been the first
Speaker 2: kid on it had this drug been around when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, because my eating disorder started when I
Speaker 2: was thirteen, so I not anorexia, but like my very
Speaker 2: bad relationship with food started at thirteen, and then my
Speaker 2: first really bad diet was at seventeen.
Speaker 1: I would have been on this stuff in a heartbeat,
Speaker 1: and then I never would have been able to come off.
Speaker 1: So my question is, how do you feel about parents
Speaker 1: letting their kids get on this drug just for weight loss?
Speaker 1: Not three diabetes, nothing like that, just weight loss.
Speaker 2: I can't I'm not even going to comment on it
Speaker 2: because I don't want to even put my what is
Speaker 2: the expression I have in the ring, like I have
Speaker 2: no business, I don't know and I don't even want
Speaker 2: to comment on it. If a kid is morbidly obese,
Speaker 2: oh that's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about like losing. I mean there's in some way like
Speaker 2: to make any decisions. I don't for my own kids
Speaker 2: when they were that age. That would be something that
Speaker 2: would be that not only life changing, but life altering
Speaker 2: if they could never come off of it. Like, it
Speaker 2: scares me to do anything or did when my kids
Speaker 2: were little that where there would be consequences. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's different when you're a parent, right, right, than when
Speaker 2: you're an adult taking your own body and life you know,
Speaker 2: into your own hands. Right. So you know, we were
Speaker 2: both just at Bravo Khan, yes and there are We.
Speaker 1: Went to a party in a suite and there was
Speaker 1: a ton of food and a ton of housewives when
Speaker 1: really nobody ate anything.
Speaker 2: I did. I ate the pizza was really good. Really yeah.
Speaker 2: But okay, so like you take two bites, you take
Speaker 2: two bites and then you're full. How does it want always?
Speaker 2: I mean, so I eat a piece and just don't
Speaker 2: when it gets to be too much. It's just a
Speaker 2: turn off. But my question is, because this was my
Speaker 2: first Bravo Con, was that different in terms of your
Speaker 2: experience with Bravo Con than it was even last year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean while you do these women generally
Speaker 1: like eat a lot at the bravolebrities at parties. I
Speaker 1: mean they certainly eat. They definitely were. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not like I see them eating all the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean the only time that I've ever said anything,
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner. I remember there was another
Speaker 1: housewife with us, and we were all eating dinner, and
Speaker 1: you guys were both It was much earlier on in
Speaker 1: your ozembic journey and I was much earlier on in
Speaker 1: my recovery journey. And we were sitting there and I
Speaker 1: was really the only one eating. The other two of
Speaker 1: you were picking. And I really don't say anything to
Speaker 1: anyone because everyone's journey, and I sometimes can't stand that word. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but everyone's journey is their own. And I was on
Speaker 1: my second glass of wine and I just, you know,
Speaker 1: was feeling all my feelings, and I said, it's really
Speaker 1: horrible to sit here and be the only person eating.
Speaker 1: And I felt so bad about myself because I was
Speaker 1: having this internal dialogue where I was going, God, you're
Speaker 1: the only pig at the table cleaning her plate. You're
Speaker 1: the only stop eating. No one else is eating.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 1: You gotta have self control. And then the other part
Speaker 1: of my brain is going, well, you're the only person
Speaker 1: with a healthy relationship with food right now, and both
Speaker 1: parts of them, my brain were fighting with each other.
Speaker 1: And I said something to you guys, and the response
Speaker 1: was not good. And so I've never.
Speaker 2: Said any I don't remember.
Speaker 1: The other person was very defensive and rightfully so they
Speaker 1: didn't want to be questioned about their medical journey. But
Speaker 1: it was the last time I've ever questioned anyone. And
Speaker 1: so the questions now for you are things that I
Speaker 1: genuinely want to know.
Speaker 2: Even then, though I can see why you would feel
Speaker 2: that way, like I wouldn't feel defensive about that you are,
Speaker 2: but it's not my business. My body is my own body,
Speaker 2: but it has right of course. But as someone who
Speaker 2: is recovering from anorexia be sitting at a table with
Speaker 2: a bunch of women who aren't eating, I can't think
Speaker 2: of anything more triggering than that. So I don't grudge
Speaker 2: that or regrudge you for feeling uncomfortable, and I feel
Speaker 2: badly about that. It doesn't mean that I'm I was
Speaker 2: going to go off the medication, but I understand where
Speaker 2: you're coming from. I mean, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of not even actually thin people are watching
Speaker 2: this phenomenon and maybe feeling uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that kind
Speaker 1: of sits poorly with me is that some people who
Speaker 1: while I was sick, while I was really struggling, and
Speaker 1: then when I decided to recover, were the biggest champions.
Speaker 1: People who said like people who I looked at as
Speaker 1: like people who knew how to eat and not feel
Speaker 1: overwhelming guilt, people who enjoyed food, who would eat a
Speaker 1: little here and then eat a little less, like really
Speaker 1: had that balance, have since gone on ozembics.
Speaker 2: So people who I looked at as.
Speaker 1: Role models for how I wanted to one day eat
Speaker 1: get that have since gone on. And Guys, if you
Speaker 1: have never struggled with an eating disorder, and this is
Speaker 1: not going to be an eating disorder podcast, it's so
Speaker 1: bizarre to try to understand how you can be definitely
Speaker 1: afraid of food. I was so afraid of food. It
Speaker 1: had so much psychological trauma behind it. Everybody I could
Speaker 1: not eat. I would pick things up and put them
Speaker 1: down all the time. So I would look at these
Speaker 1: women who had really, really great relationships with food and
Speaker 1: knew how to just eat and then stop. And they
Speaker 1: have since lots of them have since gone on ozembics.
Speaker 1: So it makes me question were they Was I the
Speaker 1: one who was just like projecting this health onto people
Speaker 1: that didn't really have it, or were people so drawn
Speaker 1: by the thought of being thin at any cost?
Speaker 2: I mean I was one of those people. Still I
Speaker 2: think that I still am who really enjoyed food. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the this is not a Housewives podcast, but in
Speaker 2: the first season that we filmed together, I was scene
Speaker 2: with the Matzorelle you know, was like went viral or
Speaker 2: whatever it's called. And I in this past season that
Speaker 2: we filmed, I enjoyed food a lot more than I
Speaker 2: feel like others did partially, partially maybe even because it
Speaker 2: was like an escape, get me out of this insanity
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to focus on the barada or whatever.
Speaker 2: But but I still do enjoy food a lot. It's
Speaker 2: just a different I have some weird mechanism now that
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to keep going until I feel sick
Speaker 2: and doesn't obsess the way that I used to. So
Speaker 2: for me, I don't worry. I'm so grateful right now
Speaker 2: to have this the difference in my life and to
Speaker 2: it's opened up so much more time for me to
Speaker 2: think about other things, and when so much of my
Speaker 2: headspace was, you know, consumed with food and weight. So
Speaker 2: does your husband have any opinion? Does he like it? So?
Speaker 2: Jeff Is at the beginning was definitely more concerned than
Speaker 2: I was about the side effects, specifically when I you know,
Speaker 2: was impacted. I mean, that was that was probably maybe
Speaker 2: six months into taking it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he went a week and a half
Speaker 1: without going to the dock. I don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: I go two days and I'm like, it's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's just I'm so worried.
Speaker 2: My head spins about so many things in my life
Speaker 2: that really, oh my god, yours, my head is spinning
Speaker 2: from a million different things at any given moment. But
Speaker 2: that's another episode as well. But anyway, so Jeff was concerned.
Speaker 2: Now he's waiting for it to come out in pill
Speaker 2: form and why he's going to go. He wants to
Speaker 2: go on it when it comes out in pill form.
Speaker 2: He's a big baby, and he won't take shock. I
Speaker 2: really think that one day everyone's going to be on it.
Speaker 2: I really do. I mean I'm not going to be on,
Speaker 2: but I don't effected. Did you read that it's affected
Speaker 2: the supermarket industry, no, grocery store industry. Yeah, it already has.
Speaker 2: It's taken a huge hit.
Speaker 1: So but it also concerns me. Amongst all the other concerns,
Speaker 1: it also concerns me what it's going to do to
Speaker 1: our culture. I mean, like, is it one day going
Speaker 1: to be absolutely unacceptable to be maybe for weight at all?
Speaker 2: I mean that scares me because like, you know, like we.
Speaker 1: Have daughters, you know, we might have granddaughters and then
Speaker 1: not like very distant future, I mean, we there are
Speaker 1: young girls who like go through phases that, you know,
Speaker 1: all those hormones hit and puberty and like you gains
Speaker 1: you a fair amount of weight, like if it's not
Speaker 1: acceptable to be overweight at all. I'm I'm afraid of
Speaker 1: like a whole nation or world full of people on drugs.
Speaker 2: I can understand that. I see that. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: so much to be afraid of right now in terms
Speaker 2: of the world and what's coming. You know, I can
Speaker 2: stay up all night thinking about AI. I can certainly
Speaker 2: stay up all night and do stay up on night
Speaker 2: thinking about the war in the Middle East. Yeah, Israel.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of stuff that consumes me at any
Speaker 2: given moment.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you have a really healthy relationship
Speaker 1: with it, which is I don't worry so much about you, really.
Speaker 1: I worry more about the drug the use of these
Speaker 1: drugs as a whole, and the potential one day. Listen,
Speaker 1: I look at it a different way. I happen to
Speaker 1: think that a lot of these really glowing studies are
Speaker 1: funded by the drug companies themselves. Maybe I have a
Speaker 1: very cynical view of it, and I'm also worried about it.
Speaker 1: And I also worry about the things that people don't
Speaker 1: worry about. Like the muscle loss and the fact that.
Speaker 2: You're are worried about cutting off your humber.
Speaker 1: But the point of this discussion, just just so we
Speaker 1: lay this out clearly, was not to judge anybody.
Speaker 2: It was to really understand. I want people to understand
Speaker 2: why I fear these drugs and what I hate about them,
Speaker 2: and I want people to understand why you're on them
Speaker 2: and what you love about them. Yeah, but I will
Speaker 2: tell you always say to me, like Jen, I'm not
Speaker 2: judging you Jenna much and I never feel judged by you. No, no,
Speaker 2: because I want.
Speaker 1: You to make sure because like listen, I need to
Speaker 1: respect because along my twenty year of anorexia, where I
Speaker 1: really tortured myself whenever anyone would open their mouth to me,
Speaker 1: and people usually didn't. But like you couldn't even give
Speaker 1: me side eye. You couldn't even tell me I looked
Speaker 1: healthy without me throwing a fit. Yeah, I went insane.
Speaker 1: So I know what it feels like to have people
Speaker 1: comment on what you're doing to your body when you
Speaker 1: didn't ask for those comments.
Speaker 2: Yet oh I get I get comments constantly. You do
Speaker 2: get comments, oh my gosh, positive or both both, but
Speaker 2: a lot of negative A lot of well, I get
Speaker 2: a lot of your tooth thin, which I never thought
Speaker 2: i'd hear. And then there's that's always followed with you know,
Speaker 2: when you're gonna get off. The medication doesn't matter like
Speaker 2: everything else when you're an adult, if it's I've done
Speaker 2: my research, I feel comfortable. This is my body, my choice,
Speaker 2: and for me, it's been really, really wonderful.
Speaker 1: I met you a few years ago at an event
Speaker 1: that I was at. I was I was really good
Speaker 1: event for a dress or success, and you were great,
Speaker 1: and we really liked each other. We did not, like
Speaker 1: immediately become best.
Speaker 2: Oh God, to stop it. You hated me? Oh I
Speaker 2: didn't you? No, I didn't well that I liked you.
Speaker 2: I liked you show I liked you. But I I
Speaker 2: heard you talk at that at that at dress for success,
Speaker 2: at that event, and I was like, I wow, I
Speaker 2: was so impressed you talk so honestly about your struggles,
Speaker 2: and it was I said to you that night, like
Speaker 2: to do that in a room filled with women who
Speaker 2: have just either you know, come out of you know,
Speaker 2: being incarcerated, or women that were trying to get jobs
Speaker 2: and they were homeless, and you were able to tell
Speaker 2: your story in such a way that was it. I
Speaker 2: think it's that was a hard situation to be really
Speaker 2: and I didn't think that you explained it, and you
Speaker 2: were very honest about listening. This has not been my problem, right,
Speaker 2: I haven't been incarcerated and I haven't been homeless. But
Speaker 2: here are my struggles, and they've been real, and they've
Speaker 2: been real. Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: Actually, my point of this conversation is a lot more
Speaker 1: shallow than that. I was going to say that, like
Speaker 1: you were a really great, nice, like normal woman. I
Speaker 1: really liked you, and then fast forward literally six months later,
Speaker 1: you were I mean that was November of twenty one.
Speaker 2: No, that's wrong. I wasn't dinner of them because that's no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you weren't there that was yet.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you were cast on
Speaker 1: the show, right, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: had the single greatest facelist I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: life and lost all this right on Ozembic and you
Speaker 1: were like a walking filter and famous and like really
Speaker 1: like completely different, like the same person inside, this lovable,
Speaker 1: amazing person. But like, do you feel like people changed
Speaker 1: because of how much you changed to people? Like in
Speaker 1: your life. That's a great question. I don't know, Jack,
Speaker 1: like you were certain like suddenly went from a normal person.
Speaker 1: Like listen, when I was cast on the show, I
Speaker 1: drove a Toyota minivan. It was filthy. My kids destroyed it.
Speaker 1: They were all little at the time. You know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of different but also the same. But like,
Speaker 1: do you feel different? You're you look totally different?
Speaker 2: I mean I that does not escape me because everywhere
Speaker 2: I go, including like the reunion last year when Andy
Speaker 2: was like, Jenfesla, you look different, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I do. I I know that I look
Speaker 2: obviously it's not just my body, but it's I got
Speaker 2: a lower face lift, I got a nose job. I
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a lot going on. Those are
Speaker 2: always things by the way that I planned on doing
Speaker 2: it wasn't That wasn't a I'm cast on the Housewives
Speaker 2: and now I have to really I've been looking for
Speaker 2: someone for years to do my facelift. The truth is
Speaker 2: I did it and it worked out because for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: you know, timing was perfect for me. I felt like
Speaker 2: this is right, and after my first season, but it
Speaker 2: was happening regardless, So I was always getting facelift, and
Speaker 2: I've been actually looking for doctor for a few years.
Speaker 2: What is my point in this? Jack? Yes, I mean
Speaker 2: people I do look different, so I guess so, But
Speaker 2: what do I like?
Speaker 1: Your lifelong best friends are they certainly know they're just
Speaker 1: so complimentary. And and because I think my facelift I
Speaker 1: went to doctor Sam Risk, I always have to plug
Speaker 1: him because I'm just so grateful. But I think that
Speaker 1: it does look natural, so you know, it's I felt
Speaker 1: so great about it. I like what I see in
Speaker 1: the mirror, and I didn't hate what I saw in
Speaker 1: the mirror. Before you know, it's I didn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I accept my aging. It doesn't really bother me as
Speaker 1: much as maybe it bothers others.
Speaker 2: I almost sort of like it. Again, that's another episode
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. But I didn't look in
Speaker 2: the me and feel hideous. I always felt attractive. I
Speaker 2: just feel more attractive. I feel it takes a lot
Speaker 2: less time for me to pull it together. You know,
Speaker 2: when you're on television and you have to show up
Speaker 2: to get filmed, and there's a lot that goes along
Speaker 2: with that, especially if you are on the Housewives, right
Speaker 2: and you know, getting glammed, and it just it's a
Speaker 2: lot less anxiety provoking for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my first season on the show, I was really
Speaker 1: unprepared for all of the social media comments that would
Speaker 1: come my way, and I didn't do much. I really didn't.
Speaker 1: I still had my extensions, were shorter. I didn't do
Speaker 1: a damn thing to my face. I didn't have been
Speaker 1: years yet, and I got so many mean comments. Really,
Speaker 1: so here's a funny one.
Speaker 2: So the biggest comment that I would get is that
Speaker 2: my lips move sideways.
Speaker 1: So and that I have a list. That was my
Speaker 1: first year. Every comment was like, we hate you and your.
Speaker 2: Lips move sideways and you have a lip.
Speaker 1: So I freaked out, of course, because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I went from like my you know, four hundred followers
Speaker 1: to my like one hundred thousand followers, and I was
Speaker 1: hearing repeatedly this shit. So I tried to I went
Speaker 1: to a doctor and I said, can you fix my.
Speaker 2: Lips and make them move in the same direction?
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm sorry, Like that's not that's
Speaker 1: a muscular thing, Like don't your lips are great?
Speaker 2: Stop it, please go home.
Speaker 1: So I went to a speech therapist, and I said,
Speaker 1: please fix my lisp, and of course you signed me
Speaker 1: up for ten sessions, and I didn't tell anybody, and
Speaker 1: then I was going to out my fourth session.
Speaker 2: I would sit there doing all these stupid I had
Speaker 2: these straws that I was like sticking in my mouth
Speaker 2: and saying my rs, never once doing it. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I was so paranoid. So on my fourth session, I'm
Speaker 2: leaving the house and everone goes, where are you going?
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm just going to tell him.
Speaker 2: I said, I've been going to a speech therapis.
Speaker 1: He's like, stop right now, stop it right now, Like
Speaker 1: you're not doing this shit, do not let it get
Speaker 1: to you. It's never going to stop. People are never
Speaker 1: going to stop saying mean things because that's what social
Speaker 1: media is. You don't need a speech therapist, you don't
Speaker 1: have a lisp, just just stop.
Speaker 2: And so I stopped. I didn't go back, and I
Speaker 2: did some shit at home. You know, I used to
Speaker 2: read these stupid sentiences over and over, but like it
Speaker 2: really doesn't sell ll Yeah, And what I learned is
Speaker 2: that people are always going to pick you apart, no
Speaker 2: matter how perfect you are. So I have experienced that.
Speaker 2: I experienced it before plastic surgery and ozempic, and i've
Speaker 2: eveneers and I'm I'm experiencing it now. I get a
Speaker 2: lot of like you look like a man, which I
Speaker 2: think is hilarious. I ever thought that I want to
Speaker 2: represent myself by the way as like someone who is
Speaker 2: no insecurities. I have a like all of us, right,
Speaker 2: but you have a securities.
Speaker 1: But this that kind of stuff, even when before all
Speaker 1: of this didn't really get to me, and I don't
Speaker 1: I get I don't know what that's about, but like
Speaker 1: I almost think it's funny, Like I look at you
Speaker 1: and you're so clearly this beautiful woman, and anybody that
Speaker 1: says otherwise is I'm sorry, but I think jealous and mean.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't like why would that like, you know, no,
Speaker 2: now I.
Speaker 1: Feel more beautiful than ever. But that was a function
Speaker 1: of recovery and a lot of therapy. I mean, therapy
Speaker 1: I think is the greatest.
Speaker 2: In another episode again, oh yeah, no, there's no living
Speaker 2: without therapy.
Speaker 1: I understand why people would be on a zembic just
Speaker 1: to put it, I understood on why you would be
Speaker 1: so concerned. Yes, I do have my concerns, but you
Speaker 1: know what, I think it's just a remains to be seen.
Speaker 2: The kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I still want to know what in God's name happened
Speaker 1: to Sharon Osborne's insights to make her look the way
Speaker 1: that she does and not.
Speaker 2: Be able to come out of it. But like churs,
Speaker 2: so I hope she is okay. Yeah, I do like
Speaker 2: her too. Actually she's had some controversy, yes, but who hasn't.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you guys, there's like a lot of
Speaker 2: really raw stuff that we're gonna be talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm so grateful, well to you, Oh,
Speaker 2: don't be grul but to have a platform. I always
Speaker 2: really like going on podcasts. You haven't been on that many.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I mean obviously you've been on so so many.
Speaker 2: I have not, But I like to just to just
Speaker 2: shoot the shit about stuff that's real.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But the thing is that like you get to suddenly,
Speaker 2: like you wake up one day and like you're your
Speaker 2: middle aged yeah, and like a lot that goes along
Speaker 2: with that. It's different, you know, like different your kids
Speaker 2: are grown ups. Like you just walked in, I had
Speaker 2: my son standing here, and you're like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because my boys are fifteen and thirteen,
Speaker 1: and her son is twenty three. And I said to Jena,
Speaker 1: he was just talking with this like deep.
Speaker 4: Man voice, like his man clothes, and in the middle
Speaker 4: of his conversation, should I just turn to Gin? And
Speaker 4: I said, is that is that kind of happened to
Speaker 4: my boys? When I asked her son, are they still
Speaker 4: getting a snuggle with me?
Speaker 2: I'm scared. I am scared. And there's so many things
Speaker 2: that this phase of life that are just amazing but different.
Speaker 2: It's also for me in so many ways better I am.
Speaker 2: And this is I'm being as real as I can
Speaker 2: possibly be. I am happier now than I was in
Speaker 2: my twenties. I'm happier now too, of course. But you know,
Speaker 2: even life are different. It's like good sex is different, the.
Speaker 1: Way you feel about people in your life, the way
Speaker 1: your thoughts on like all of that stuffe so much
Speaker 1: of it is better though, oh yes it's better, but
Speaker 1: it's different. You know, you settle in more less, less
Speaker 1: things are exciting the way they used to be. But well,
Speaker 1: you are way more of a doer than I am.
Speaker 1: I'm a non doer, I'm a lady, I'm a door
Speaker 1: and stay know, I twitch, I say to my I
Speaker 1: say to my therapist all the time. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if I wasn't doing this, I'd be twiddling my thumbs.
Speaker 1: And she says, I want you to twiddle your thumbs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to twiddle your thumb.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. We'll get into that the episode about
Speaker 2: and you get older, you tend to twiddle more.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, we are so excited about this new venture
Speaker 1: and we're going to be dropping new episodes every other week,
Speaker 1: so be sure to download and listen and give us
Speaker 1: five stars.
Speaker 2: Please, please, please, I get you. We're not begging, we're
Speaker 2: not beggars, but I feel like it, and you have
Speaker 2: a minute, you know, top the five star button.
Speaker 1: But I am.
Speaker 2: We're both over the moon. We're really excited and we're
Speaker 2: going to have some unbelievable, really interesting guests. We both have.
Speaker 2: I think we both have like a wishless I'm just
Speaker 2: going to put it out there. On our first episode,
Speaker 2: my number one is Michael Rappaport just saying, oh, she
Speaker 2: loves to saying I dive, I dive from his wife.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like, like here's another episode, but like,
Speaker 1: are you does Jeff get upset when you say that
Speaker 1: about Michael Becase. Just another episode, but like I have
Speaker 1: a thing for Pete Davidson, but like Evan doesn't really.
Speaker 2: Love when I like shout that out. Jeff cannot get
Speaker 2: two shits.
Speaker 1: Okay, another time, but guys, you can follow us on
Speaker 1: Instagram at two Jersey Jays. And you know the other
Speaker 1: thing is that, like we may look like these like
Speaker 1: two little friends that come out for a half hour
Speaker 1: reunion or like stuff cheese in our mouth, but Jen
Speaker 1: and I have had really crazy, wildlives, yeah, that people
Speaker 1: don't know about, like certain moments, traumatic things happen that
Speaker 1: we've gotten. We've bonded a lot over a lot I
Speaker 1: think of past trauma. Yeah, and we're really excited to
Speaker 1: bring it all to you guys.
Speaker 2: So okay, so.
Speaker 1: Until next time, follow us on Instagram and thank you
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Speaker 2: We love you guys, and talk soon, not soon,