WEBVTT - Two Ts Presents: Ozempic Opposites Attract

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone. I'm Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>I joined the show in season nine, and I'm Jen Fessler,

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<v Speaker 2>also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I joined in season twelve. Jack I think so yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>keep up? No season thirteen, you joined Sason thirteen would

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<v Speaker 2>you be without me?

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<v Speaker 1>And Welcome to our new podcast, To Your Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so excited to do this, guys. It's Kith. It

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<v Speaker 2>escapes you Jay. The Jay stands for Jackie Jennifer maybe Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Jersey Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, this podcast is going to be We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about everything, no holds barred. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be everything like motherhood, health, love.

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<v Speaker 2>Things that are going on really in our lives. Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fifty five, Jackie's forty seven, So there's like an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting range here. And you know, in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>both of us being middle age creeping up to old age,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a little faster. We're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Dive right in with something that Jen and I have

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<v Speaker 1>never spoken about before. You know, if you don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>me talking for one second, I will say Jen and

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<v Speaker 1>I are very very similar women. We are both middle

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<v Speaker 1>aged Jewish women from New Jersey, and we have the

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<v Speaker 1>same job and the same circle of friends. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is one very big, glaring difference between us.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have been on and I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>call it. Everybody calls it ozempic, right, that's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>been the umbrella name. But I've been on what's called

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<v Speaker 2>semigluetide for over a year now and I've lost maybe

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am an outspoken advocate for eating disorder recovery

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<v Speaker 1>and a very strong opponent of semigluetides. For losing those

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<v Speaker 1>last ten pounds, I think it's a very danger trend,

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<v Speaker 1>but out of respect for each other in our friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>we have never.

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<v Speaker 2>Discussed it, unlike I think, I think that our podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be a housewives podcast per se,

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<v Speaker 2>but also different in that I think sometimes it Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you all have noticed that housewives tend to escalate situations

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<v Speaker 2>that don't have to become so volatile do become volatile,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jackie and I have never had that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>energy between us. We don't intend on having it between us.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly we're not going to agree on maybe not just

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<v Speaker 2>ozempic semi glue type, but a lot of things, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to really make an effort to talk things

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<v Speaker 2>through in an adult way and in a way that's

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<v Speaker 2>respectful of both of us and our friendship. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that it's a very dangerous trend to

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<v Speaker 1>use ozempic just to lose you know, those last ten

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen pounds. And now I am in my job.

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<v Speaker 1>We're on a cast of nine women. Okay, so take

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<v Speaker 1>me out of it. There's eight posts stars on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>and more than half of them are on ozembic, so I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't verify that, but I know that more than half

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<v Speaker 2>of us have definitely lost considerable amount of weight. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's only one person who lost a lot of weight

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't confirmed that they're on a semba glue tide. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I have questions for Jen that I have never asked

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<v Speaker 2>her because it's not only personal medical decision that she made,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like we don't want to fight with each other,

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<v Speaker 2>which we're not going to, but there are things that

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<v Speaker 2>I've wanted to know that I have never asked her.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you. I'm a hundred by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>ask away I've got that is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of us. Ask me anything, okay, Like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you nervous? Like don't you worry?

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<v Speaker 1>Like if it was me and I'm a paranoid person

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with, but like every ache and painn I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been like, uh oh, is that the side

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<v Speaker 1>effects that I don't know about? Is that the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that they haven't researched yet, Like don't you get nervous?

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<v Speaker 2>So I am a raging hypochondria, which you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's very strange because when it comes to things having

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<v Speaker 2>to do with my physical appearance, somehow that just goes

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<v Speaker 2>out the window. For instance, like I am not afraid

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<v Speaker 2>at all of going into surgery for anything cosmetic. I

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<v Speaker 2>might be afraid of going into surgery. I haven't really

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<v Speaker 2>had any surgeries other than cosmetic, So I'm just being

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<v Speaker 2>real with you guys. But no, I'm not afraid of ozebic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will tell you I have had an experience

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<v Speaker 2>that was not good where that I'm pretty positive it

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<v Speaker 2>was about the semi glue tide, but where I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the hospital for an impacted bowel. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me be like really open about that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still not nervous about it.

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<v Speaker 1>No pun intended being really open. Yeah, so what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with that? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was started to So one of these side

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<v Speaker 2>effects can be constipation, and I was having constipation, and

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<v Speaker 2>in true gen festal form, I just did nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't really bother me. I was drinking no water, eating

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<v Speaker 2>no vegetables because you know, something that happens A new

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<v Speaker 2>experience for me is being able to eat what I want,

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<v Speaker 2>even when it's not the most healthy choices and still

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<v Speaker 2>lose weight. Right, so maybe for the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, I'm like losing weight on pizza and bagels

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<v Speaker 2>and ice cream. Having said that, I noticed that there

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<v Speaker 2>was constipation. I didn't do anything about it. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>taking MiraLax, right, so you take every morning or any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stool softener. It hadn't gone in a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it was a week and a half, And are

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<v Speaker 2>you kidding? I just didn't I know. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say two things. Number One, I'm aware that there are

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<v Speaker 2>side effects, so I can't take that away from all

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<v Speaker 2>what all of this is. But I will also say

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<v Speaker 2>that I am to blame for ignoring them and allowing

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<v Speaker 2>it to escalate to the point where I became impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>So I haven't since and this is going back months

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<v Speaker 2>and months ago, so it's not the same. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I drink water, I take my relax I am trying

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<v Speaker 2>to eat in a more healthy way than I used to,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't had a problem since.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what about do you worry about the muscle loss

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<v Speaker 1>and have you Do you get checked for that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I get checked for that. I probably go

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<v Speaker 2>in every month is sometimes six weeks, and I've lost muscle.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me say that, and that's dangerous. Well, so

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing with that. Okay, again, I'm like the extreme,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the extreme example because I don't care, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't exercise, and I'm going I shouldn't say that

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a personal trainer, because now it is dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>especially at fifty five, when you do lose you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so much bone mass and you do lose muscle. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know I probably sound so irresponsible, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been worried about it. If I had been more worried

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<v Speaker 2>about it, I would have done something about it, like,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, lift weights and exercise. So physically, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a lot better in clothes. When I'm not in close,

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<v Speaker 2>I look ninety because I have a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've gone up and down by more than twenty pounds

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, by a lot more than twenty pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of skin that exists now when

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<v Speaker 2>you lose muscle and fat. But again I have to

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<v Speaker 2>take responsibility for that in the sense that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't put on muscle when you just lay in

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<v Speaker 2>a horizon on your bed eating chips. It doesn't work

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So now I have recently hired a personal trainer,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that a lot of this you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be proactive about. Am I worried about it? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I aware of it and a little disappointed in

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<v Speaker 2>myself for not addressing it soon or sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So tell me what you think about this. So recently,

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon Osborne, there was a story about her, There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stories about her that she went on

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<v Speaker 1>ozempic or a sema gluetae. I use ozembic as an

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella term for all of these drugs. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>on it for a while, I guess, and she lost

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of weight. And she said that she has

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<v Speaker 1>since stopped using it, but that she cannot gain any

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<v Speaker 1>weight back, and that she's under one hundred pounds and

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what she does, she can't gain weight back.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just makes me think what must have happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her goddamn insides for her body to be malfunctioning

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<v Speaker 1>like that right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Doesn't that make you worry? No, it doesn't. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>why I was just thinking about this because I have

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<v Speaker 2>a friend who's about to go in for a tummy

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<v Speaker 2>tuck and she's freaking out because I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>Kanye West's mom who died after having a tommy tuck,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't there's I feel like there's always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be someone out there with anything, with any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of drug, medicine, operation surgery. Right, there's always that exception

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<v Speaker 2>to the rule. My experience so far has been has

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<v Speaker 2>been that is not the rule. That what happens what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to Sharon Osbourne happens to the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>on this medication. I also feel like this medication has

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<v Speaker 2>been around for longer than people realize for people with diabetes,

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<v Speaker 2>or people with diabetes, or you don't have diabetes, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly do not. My daughter does actually have type one,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's for type they use it for type two diabetes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, So does your daughter, since your daughter does

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<v Speaker 3>have diabetes, does she have any feeling about you using

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<v Speaker 3>a drug that created a shortage for people who actually

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<v Speaker 3>need it with diabetes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, first of all, well, Rachel has type one diabetes,

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<v Speaker 2>not to be confused with type two, which is who

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<v Speaker 2>the drug has traditionally been prescribed for. So but having

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<v Speaker 2>said that, what I know maybe different from what you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was concerned. I don't want to take drugs

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<v Speaker 2>from people that needed that when there was a shortage

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<v Speaker 2>for people that there are life saving drugs out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did my own research into it. And what

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<v Speaker 2>was on shortage was not the actual drug itself, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was with ozembic. Ozmpic is administered in a pen, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it was a shortage of those pens that

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<v Speaker 2>could administer it. I never used a pen, so I

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<v Speaker 2>used semi glue tide and I did it. I do

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<v Speaker 2>it manually. It's a little syringe, Okay. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>not concern of my daughter's or of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want you to know I am not judging

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<v Speaker 1>you at I don't feel like these are all just

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<v Speaker 1>the questions that I have really wanted to know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have more.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you okay I can ask me because I guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure that a lot of you know

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<v Speaker 1>my story. But I suffered from anorexia, like severe anorexia

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<v Speaker 1>for almost two decades. So for me, now I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>this place where like I can finally eat again and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy food again. To watch people intentionally destroying their hunger,

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<v Speaker 1>it just blows my mind because it took me so

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<v Speaker 1>long to get back to that place. So I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a very different place than like some people in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like the way that I view how like beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>it is to feel hunger and then eat something.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me say this first of all, I Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, but I was riddled with blimia and

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<v Speaker 2>compulsive overeating in my late teens up into my thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I got pregnant for whatever reason, things started

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<v Speaker 2>to calm down. But anyway, but I still was a

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<v Speaker 2>compulsive overreader, not as much of a bliemic anyway, And

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<v Speaker 2>I get what you're saying. So this is how I

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<v Speaker 2>feel about it, because I feel like we were just

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<v Speaker 2>going over the rules as opposed to like why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>even on it. Struggled like you my whole life with

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<v Speaker 2>trying to control my weight, and sometimes I was successful,

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<v Speaker 2>other times I was not, and sometimes it was dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>the way in which I would choose to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>For the first time in my life, I have some

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<v Speaker 2>freedom around food. It feels to me like this is

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<v Speaker 2>how naturally then people must feel right, because it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I do get hungry, but it is different experience. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a mechanism and this also affects hormones, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a mechanism that's happening now in my brain in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of insulin where I don't have that battle that

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<v Speaker 2>I used to have. It is such a freedom for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it must be for people everywhere taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Having said that, I do think about women like yourself

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<v Speaker 2>who have struggled for so long to watch this all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden magic pill come in, and even women

0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.360
<v Speaker 2>that maybe didn't have eating disorders but have been living

0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.320
<v Speaker 2>existing on you know, chicken and salad, and it must

0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.640
<v Speaker 2>be a very strange thing to think there's been so

0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.360
<v Speaker 2>much deprivation and now you're watching with this magic pill

0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it's not really like that. Well, I think that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Really different viewpoints on this because to me, and this

0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.440
<v Speaker 1>is not about you just in general, you look at

0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.760
<v Speaker 1>it like you have this freedom. I look at it

0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like you're in a prison forever, like you have got

0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:33.319
<v Speaker 1>to be on this forever. You are trapped if God forbid,

0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.240
<v Speaker 1>they start finding other side effects or your bowel gets

0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.360
<v Speaker 1>impacted again, or you get nervous that this shit is

0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.000
<v Speaker 1>passing through your pancreas, like whatever it is, you're stuck

0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.480
<v Speaker 1>because when you come off that drug, unless you're showeron

0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Osbourne like, you are probably gaining back all that weight

0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and then your head.

0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Is going to be in a hill spin. I totally

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<v Speaker 2>hear that, but I am not worried about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I also not worried about going off of it, like

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<v Speaker 2>we're extreme opposites in this case. Is that because you

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<v Speaker 2>plan to go off of plant right? Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the future holds, but I know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>getting approved more and more right for weight loss, and

0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.240
<v Speaker 2>I've spoken to my doctors who say it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to go off of, and my dose

0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.199
<v Speaker 2>now is lower than what it was originally. I've actually

0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.640
<v Speaker 2>gained a little bit of weight back, which I really

0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.360
<v Speaker 2>sad about. Yeah, okay, how much did you lose total?

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<v Speaker 2>And then what did you gain that? Maybe twenty two

0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.120
<v Speaker 2>pounds total is what you lost? Yeah, oh, and then

0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.559
<v Speaker 2>what'd you gain back? Gained back? I don't know, five pounds,

0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>so you're only like seventeen pounds lower than you were. Yeah? Really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it looks so thin. Yeah, well, something I think

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<v Speaker 1>I loved toothing. I mean, I at one point, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you look beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I've seen pictures where I looked frail, and

0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.160
<v Speaker 2>at age fifty five, you know, it's easier to look frail, right,

0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.559
<v Speaker 2>So I also was sort of getting to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where I was punched over all of that. I don't

0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking for that. And by the way, even

0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.080
<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to my body and what it

0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:08.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like and the muscle, the only reason I want

0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.199
<v Speaker 2>to build muscle is because it's healthy. I I'm getting

0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to an age where things are going to break right

0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.679
<v Speaker 2>and become brittle and I can't. I don't want that,

0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.440
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not. It's not for me anymore about a bikini.

0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.880
<v Speaker 2>It's not for me anymore about you know, having this

0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.840
<v Speaker 2>perfect body, I don't care one of the other freedoms

0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.120
<v Speaker 2>that come along, I guess with getting older.

0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.560
<v Speaker 1>So you're on it because you want to eat whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want without aaining late.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a lot more than that. It's not a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not like I just want to eat more.

0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a freedom. My whole life, I've been tortured by food,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about it, eating it, not eating it, like it's

0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.960
<v Speaker 2>this ability. We just had Thanksgiving dinner, right and actually

0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I was ate a lot, But the days in which

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.680
<v Speaker 2>I would just torture myself continue to eat when I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at the housewives world across all the

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<v Speaker 1>different cities there are, and we just saw this at

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<v Speaker 1>Bravo Con. I mean we went to Bravo Con and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like everywhere I turned someone was so thin

0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.400
<v Speaker 1>that my eyes were like watering, Like I couldn't believe

0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.520
<v Speaker 1>some of these women were half the size they were

0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.680
<v Speaker 1>at last year's Bravo And it makes you wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have these this very complicated relationship with food

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life, why would you put yourself on a

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<v Speaker 1>drug that you could never come off of.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so let me tell you this. So when

0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I got on this drug, you actually were not judgmental.

0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.840
<v Speaker 2>But there were lots of women in my life who

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<v Speaker 2>were okay, and specifically for the most part, they were

0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.680
<v Speaker 2>women that are thin and that have been thin and

0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.160
<v Speaker 2>that really work hard to maintain certain level of thinness.

0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Those women that were judgmental, and my family and some

0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of my best friends have since gotten on it, which

0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I think is so interesting. They want to lose the

0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:21.480
<v Speaker 2>last five pounds soft. So I will say that I

0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't they were judgmental of me, and

0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying really not to be judgmental of them, but

0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.120
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it was hard for them to watch

0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:37.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody who I don't know did indulge so much more

0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.200
<v Speaker 2>than they ever did and all of a sudden have this.

0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I keep saying, magic pill. Maybe that's obnoxious. If it is,

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean, oh I don't. It feels like that's

0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.600
<v Speaker 2>what it feels like for me. Right, So here here's

0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.520
<v Speaker 2>one more question. Do you ever worry about the day,

0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Like do you think about what would happen one day

0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 2>if they do start finding some side effects with longer

0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.160
<v Speaker 2>term use that would scary you enough to go off

0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.920
<v Speaker 2>of it. Do you ever worry about having to make

0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 2>a choice between your health and gaining back the weight?

0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.919
<v Speaker 2>You don't, I can't say that I do worry about it.

0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.040
<v Speaker 2>But I'm on other medications for so long that maybe

0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.200
<v Speaker 2>people think are unhealthy. I mean, I've been on an

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.479
<v Speaker 2>antidepressant for the past up and down different ones actually

0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.960
<v Speaker 2>for the past thirty years. Maybe how am I fifty

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 2>five ish? I mean, I've been on prozac for ages.

0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm on I'm on an estrogen pellet, which

0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:39.440
<v Speaker 2>there's so much controversy around hormone replacement drugs right and

0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.560
<v Speaker 2>back in the day they were maybe a little different,

0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.159
<v Speaker 2>But I remember my mom going on estrogen and then

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>she really worried about breast cancer and went off of it.

0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.680
<v Speaker 2>But it for me that just even that the pellet

0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.800
<v Speaker 2>has helped me so much in terms of stopping those

0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.160
<v Speaker 2>very difficult those very difficult signs not signs of menopause,

0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but the the you know, from the night sweat to

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the hot flashes, to the moods, to the joints, to everything.

0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So I guess it's a trade off that I right now,

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe not forever, I feel like it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So you were pretty early in the game getting

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.080
<v Speaker 1>on it, Yeah, like before a lot of people. So

0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 1>what was that like, I mean, because you were not

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.240
<v Speaker 1>a heavy woman. You weren't this thin, right, but you

0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 1>weren't heavy. So like, did you know that your doctor

0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:28.920
<v Speaker 1>was putting you on it or did he.

0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Just like put it in? So I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I had a reporter asked me about

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<v Speaker 2>it and I said something to the effect of like

0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I had gone on these peptides and then I was

0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.520
<v Speaker 2>reading about it. I looked up one day semi glue tide.

0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait a second, this is o zembek. Yeah,

0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 2>it's the same. And I didn't realize it didn't My

0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.880
<v Speaker 2>doctor didn't do wasn't trying to trick me. I mean,

0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.480
<v Speaker 2>he was very clear, this is semi glue tide and

0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.520
<v Speaker 2>this is what it does. But I didn't. I didn't

0:18:55.600 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 2>necessarily like make that that it didn't click for me

0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.879
<v Speaker 2>that it was the same thing. Didn't bother me that

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.639
<v Speaker 2>it was. So you did you know that he was

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.479
<v Speaker 2>putting you on a weight loss Yes, a weight loss peptide. Okay,

0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>did you know.

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.959
<v Speaker 1>You did he tell you it was something that you

0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 1>had to stay on in order to keep the weight off.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, Jack. It was over a year ago,

0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.520
<v Speaker 2>so I don't remember exactly how we talked about it.

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.159
<v Speaker 2>But I think that basically the best scenario is that

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.639
<v Speaker 2>you change your eating habits while you're in while you

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like you have more control. You then train yourself

0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.399
<v Speaker 2>right to eat less, to eat and the more to

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.919
<v Speaker 2>make healthier choices. But training yourself to eat less is

0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.720
<v Speaker 2>shown in the studies that it doesn't work because when

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you go off of it, the studies show, I don't

0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.719
<v Speaker 2>know from firsthand knowledge, the studies show that your appetite

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 2>comes back really strongly, so that you have no control

0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.280
<v Speaker 2>over that. You really don't.

0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.920
<v Speaker 1>You can control how you exercise and the way you eat,

0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.640
<v Speaker 1>but you're you're really hungry.

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean I believe that, Yeah, I can

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.680
<v Speaker 2>only be honest. Like when and when I was one

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>of the first. I think probably I'm not I'm a

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 2>friend of a housewife, but one of the first. You're

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 2>in it in that world who was sort of open

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 2>about it, right, I mean, isn't that true? Like, because

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I know Andy Cohen asked.

0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Me one of the very first and then Dolores was

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.600
<v Speaker 1>open about it, and Dolores said something. Who said something?

0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And Dolores is very honest and I love her.

0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:30.800
<v Speaker 2>She said something that hit me.

0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>It was like she said, well, I'm not going to

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 1>show up to reunion and be the fattest person there,

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>will be the only person there's fat. And I remember thinking, wow,

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gaining all this weight while everyone else is losing it.

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that going to be me?

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And am I going to be the person who's going

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to show up and be heavier than everyone else?

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't.

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 1>It was almost like I was so grateful that I

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>was okay with that possibility, because never before what I

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.159
<v Speaker 1>have beene okay with that possibility.

0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, if I am my own It's

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>funny because I look at you now and to me,

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>you're maybe we shouldn't even I don't want this to

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 2>like be triggering.

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 1>No, I thought, I don't get triggered. I don't get triggered. No, no, no,

0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so well. I guess it's all relative. I mean,

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like emaciated for my whole life, and now

0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like a very I'm still on the thinner side,

0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:22.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'm.

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Definitely in the normal room. Yeah, No, you don't look,

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't exact. Yeah, But I will also say, just

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 2>because we're talking about like being one of the first

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 2>people to talk or to be open about it, and

0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people still are not open about it.

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't have shame around it. No, And you shouldn't. No, No,

0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe you should. Maybe No, nobody should have shame about it.

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not judging.

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I know more than anyone what that that that desire

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to be in. I know what that is more than anyone.

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And I nearly killed myself and when I don't say

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.199
<v Speaker 1>that lightly like I could have had I had just

0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>my body fell hart from anorexia. So I know what

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:01.159
<v Speaker 1>it is. I'm not judging anyone.

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And I also honestly, like got very sick when I

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.720
<v Speaker 2>was in the throes of bolimia. But I will tell

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you that I don't tend to hide things like this

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and the other because I don't even understand why people do,

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.879
<v Speaker 2>just like I don't hide anything about you asked me

0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a plastic surgery I've had. I'm happy to tell you

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 2>about each and everyone, and there are a lot of them.

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But I also I the other piece of this that

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that people don't talk about, is that this

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>medication has helped me, not just with weight loss. And again,

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this has talked about a lot. But

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I am. I have an addictive personality and I'm a

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.680
<v Speaker 2>heavy drinker. There were days like back back years ago

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>where I had to like, I was questioning my relationship

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>with alcohol and I actually checked myself into like an

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>outpatient program three days a week because I was unsure

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of whether or not I could stop drinking and it

0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.120
<v Speaker 2>was very scary to me. And really, yeah, yeah, that's

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.879
<v Speaker 2>a whole other that's different. You know that I was

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 2>once addicted to horse racing. I had an OTB account

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and I used to tune into the channels and watch OTB.

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if OTB is even still around. I

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 2>used to watch the races and call in bets all

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>day long. Well, you also maybe have an addicted personal

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing I want to say, and think

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.159
<v Speaker 2>I got more and more control over it after I

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>sort of came to terms the fact that I needed

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 2>to look at it, thankfully. But having said that, when

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 2>was that when did you come to terms of the

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>years ago? Nice was never known you to drink like yeah, maybe, Like, well,

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. I never got so out of control that

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 2>they weren't. I never got a dui. I wasn't like

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I was drinking every day. I was

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 2>drinking wine that whole what is it called the whole

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:52.479
<v Speaker 2>mommy medicine? Oh yeah, yeah, and and too much. And

0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>my point in all of this is that on semi

0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>glue tide, it's I have an aversion to it and

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not just drinking. So it's now being I've seen

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>this all over the news. I don't know if you have,

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 2>but it's very helpful with addiction, period. Right, So all

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I'm in a place where it's just

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 2>not that appealing to me. I still drink, like if

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 2>we're out, you know that we're out. I drink, and

0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>there are times I drink more. Yeah, but it's not

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.159
<v Speaker 2>it's not what it was. And I love that, all right.

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you another question, because this is

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of things about using semaglue tide

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.679
<v Speaker 1>just for weight loss horrify me because I think that

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:39.719
<v Speaker 1>you're setting yourself up for a life long use of

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the drug where there are not long term studies on

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>people without diabetes, and there are very like very important,

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>like very bad side effects that can happen.

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>But you're an adult, okay, sometimes.

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>And if you choose that path instead of you know,

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>dietitians and trainers like I've chose right, okay, but you're

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>an adult.

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 2>You're an adult woman.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>So if you choose to lose weight with a semaglue

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>tite instead of other paths, that's one thing. Right now,

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the FDA is about to approve this for children.

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I know a couple kids on it.

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're technically not supposed to be honest it yet

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think because.

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 2>It's they were by their endocrinot wait, I should actually

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 2>do the caveat their endocrinologists prescribed it because in a

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>few cases, like they were either pre diabetic. Okay, that's

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>a different story, right. I would have been the first

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>kid on it had this drug been around when I

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, because my eating disorder started when I

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 2>was thirteen, so I not anorexia, but like my very

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>bad relationship with food started at thirteen, and then my

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>first really bad diet was at seventeen.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I would have been on this stuff in a heartbeat,

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and then I never would have been able to come off.

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>So my question is, how do you feel about parents

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 1>letting their kids get on this drug just for weight loss?

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Not three diabetes, nothing like that, just weight loss.

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't I'm not even going to comment on it

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to even put my what is

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>the expression I have in the ring, like I have

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>no business, I don't know and I don't even want

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>to comment on it. If a kid is morbidly obese,

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.880
<v Speaker 2>oh that's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>about like losing. I mean there's in some way like

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to make any decisions. I don't for my own kids

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>when they were that age. That would be something that

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 2>would be that not only life changing, but life altering

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>if they could never come off of it. Like, it

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>scares me to do anything or did when my kids

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.199
<v Speaker 2>were little that where there would be consequences. I mean,

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 2>it's different when you're a parent, right, right, than when

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>you're an adult taking your own body and life you know,

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>into your own hands. Right. So you know, we were

0:26:55.280 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 2>both just at Bravo Khan, yes and there are We.

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Went to a party in a suite and there was

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>a ton of food and a ton of housewives when

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>really nobody ate anything.

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I did. I ate the pizza was really good. Really yeah.

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.360
<v Speaker 2>But okay, so like you take two bites, you take

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>two bites and then you're full. How does it want always?

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so I eat a piece and just don't

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>when it gets to be too much. It's just a

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>turn off. But my question is, because this was my

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.959
<v Speaker 2>first Bravo Con, was that different in terms of your

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>experience with Bravo Con than it was even last year? Yeah?

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean while you do these women generally

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>like eat a lot at the bravolebrities at parties. I

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 1>mean they certainly eat. They definitely were. I mean it's

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>not like I see them eating all the time. Yes,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean the only time that I've ever said anything,

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>we went out to dinner. I remember there was another

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>housewife with us, and we were all eating dinner, and

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.719
<v Speaker 1>you guys were both It was much earlier on in

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>your ozembic journey and I was much earlier on in

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>my recovery journey. And we were sitting there and I

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>was really the only one eating. The other two of

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you were picking. And I really don't say anything to

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>anyone because everyone's journey, and I sometimes can't stand that word. Sorry,

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>but everyone's journey is their own. And I was on

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>my second glass of wine and I just, you know,

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>was feeling all my feelings, and I said, it's really

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 1>horrible to sit here and be the only person eating.

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And I felt so bad about myself because I was

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>having this internal dialogue where I was going, God, you're

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the only pig at the table cleaning her plate. You're

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the only stop eating. No one else is eating.

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Stop.

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>You gotta have self control. And then the other part

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of my brain is going, well, you're the only person

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>with a healthy relationship with food right now, and both

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>parts of them, my brain were fighting with each other.

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>And I said something to you guys, and the response

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>was not good. And so I've never.

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Said any I don't remember.

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>The other person was very defensive and rightfully so they

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be questioned about their medical journey. But

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>it was the last time I've ever questioned anyone. And

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 1>so the questions now for you are things that I

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>genuinely want to know.

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Even then, though I can see why you would feel

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>that way, like I wouldn't feel defensive about that you are,

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's not my business. My body is my own body,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>but it has right of course. But as someone who

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>is recovering from anorexia be sitting at a table with

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of women who aren't eating, I can't think

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>of anything more triggering than that. So I don't grudge

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>that or regrudge you for feeling uncomfortable, and I feel

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>badly about that. It doesn't mean that I'm I was

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>going to go off the medication, but I understand where

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>you're coming from. I mean, I think a lot of

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of not even actually thin people are watching

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>this phenomenon and maybe feeling uncomfortable about it.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that kind

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of sits poorly with me is that some people who

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>while I was sick, while I was really struggling, and

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>then when I decided to recover, were the biggest champions.

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>People who said like people who I looked at as

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like people who knew how to eat and not feel

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>overwhelming guilt, people who enjoyed food, who would eat a

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>little here and then eat a little less, like really

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>had that balance, have since gone on ozembics.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>So people who I looked at as.

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Role models for how I wanted to one day eat

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>get that have since gone on. And Guys, if you

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>have never struggled with an eating disorder, and this is

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>not going to be an eating disorder podcast, it's so

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>bizarre to try to understand how you can be definitely

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>afraid of food. I was so afraid of food. It

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>had so much psychological trauma behind it. Everybody I could

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>not eat. I would pick things up and put them

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>down all the time. So I would look at these

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>women who had really, really great relationships with food and

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>knew how to just eat and then stop. And they

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>have since lots of them have since gone on ozembics.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>So it makes me question were they Was I the

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>one who was just like projecting this health onto people

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that didn't really have it, or were people so drawn

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>by the thought of being thin at any cost?

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was one of those people. Still I

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 2>think that I still am who really enjoyed food. I mean,

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.719
<v Speaker 2>in the this is not a Housewives podcast, but in

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the first season that we filmed together, I was scene

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>with the Matzorelle you know, was like went viral or

0:31:56.560 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>whatever it's called. And I in this past season that

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 2>we filmed, I enjoyed food a lot more than I

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like others did partially, partially maybe even because it

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>was like an escape, get me out of this insanity

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just going to focus on the barada or whatever.

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>But but I still do enjoy food a lot. It's

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>just a different I have some weird mechanism now that

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't want to keep going until I feel sick

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't obsess the way that I used to. So

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>for me, I don't worry. I'm so grateful right now

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 2>to have this the difference in my life and to

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>it's opened up so much more time for me to

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>think about other things, and when so much of my

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>headspace was, you know, consumed with food and weight. So

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>does your husband have any opinion? Does he like it? So?

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Is at the beginning was definitely more concerned than

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I was about the side effects, specifically when I you know,

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>was impacted. I mean, that was that was probably maybe

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>six months into taking it. I'm sorry.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe he went a week and a half

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>without going to the dock. I don't even think about it.

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I go two days and I'm like, it's completely ridiculous.

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I know, but that's just I'm so worried.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>My head spins about so many things in my life

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that really, oh my god, yours, my head is spinning

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 2>from a million different things at any given moment. But

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that's another episode as well. But anyway, so Jeff was concerned.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Now he's waiting for it to come out in pill

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>form and why he's going to go. He wants to

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 2>go on it when it comes out in pill form.

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>He's a big baby, and he won't take shock. I

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>really think that one day everyone's going to be on it.

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I really do. I mean I'm not going to be on,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>but I don't effected. Did you read that it's affected

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the supermarket industry, no, grocery store industry. Yeah, it already has.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It's taken a huge hit.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>So but it also concerns me. Amongst all the other concerns,

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>it also concerns me what it's going to do to

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>our culture. I mean, like, is it one day going

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to be absolutely unacceptable to be maybe for weight at all?

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean that scares me because like, you know, like we.

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Have daughters, you know, we might have granddaughters and then

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:17.399
<v Speaker 1>not like very distant future, I mean, we there are

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>young girls who like go through phases that, you know,

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>all those hormones hit and puberty and like you gains

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>you a fair amount of weight, like if it's not

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>acceptable to be overweight at all. I'm I'm afraid of

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>like a whole nation or world full of people on drugs.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 2>I can understand that. I see that. I mean, there's

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>so much to be afraid of right now in terms

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 2>of the world and what's coming. You know, I can

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>stay up all night thinking about AI. I can certainly

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 2>stay up all night and do stay up on night

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>thinking about the war in the Middle East. Yeah, Israel.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's lots of stuff that consumes me at any

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:57.479
<v Speaker 2>given moment.

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think you have a really healthy relationship

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>with it, which is I don't worry so much about you, really.

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I worry more about the drug the use of these

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:12.720
<v Speaker 1>drugs as a whole, and the potential one day. Listen,

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I look at it a different way. I happen to

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of these really glowing studies are

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>funded by the drug companies themselves. Maybe I have a

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>very cynical view of it, and I'm also worried about it.

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 1>And I also worry about the things that people don't

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.959
<v Speaker 1>worry about. Like the muscle loss and the fact that.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>You're are worried about cutting off your humber.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>But the point of this discussion, just just so we

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>lay this out clearly, was not to judge anybody.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It was to really understand. I want people to understand

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.240
<v Speaker 2>why I fear these drugs and what I hate about them,

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and I want people to understand why you're on them

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 2>and what you love about them. Yeah, but I will

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>tell you always say to me, like Jen, I'm not

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 2>judging you Jenna much and I never feel judged by you. No, no,

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>because I want.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You to make sure because like listen, I need to

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>respect because along my twenty year of anorexia, where I

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>really tortured myself whenever anyone would open their mouth to me,

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and people usually didn't. But like you couldn't even give

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>me side eye. You couldn't even tell me I looked

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>healthy without me throwing a fit. Yeah, I went insane.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So I know what it feels like to have people

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>comment on what you're doing to your body when you

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't ask for those comments.

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yet oh I get I get comments constantly. You do

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>get comments, oh my gosh, positive or both both, but

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of negative A lot of well, I get

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of your tooth thin, which I never thought

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>i'd hear. And then there's that's always followed with you know,

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna get off. The medication doesn't matter like

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>everything else when you're an adult, if it's I've done

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>my research, I feel comfortable. This is my body, my choice,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and for me, it's been really, really wonderful.

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I met you a few years ago at an event

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that I was at. I was I was really good

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>event for a dress or success, and you were great,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and we really liked each other. We did not, like

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>immediately become best.

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, to stop it. You hated me? Oh I

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't you? No, I didn't well that I liked you.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I liked you show I liked you. But I I

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>heard you talk at that at that at dress for success,

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>at that event, and I was like, I wow, I

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>was so impressed you talk so honestly about your struggles,

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and it was I said to you that night, like

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>to do that in a room filled with women who

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 2>have just either you know, come out of you know,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>being incarcerated, or women that were trying to get jobs

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and they were homeless, and you were able to tell

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>your story in such a way that was it. I

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's that was a hard situation to be really

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't think that you explained it, and you

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>were very honest about listening. This has not been my problem, right,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been incarcerated and I haven't been homeless. But

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>here are my struggles, and they've been real, and they've

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>been real. Oh thank you.

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Actually, my point of this conversation is a lot more

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>shallow than that. I was going to say that, like

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>you were a really great, nice, like normal woman. I

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>really liked you, and then fast forward literally six months later,

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you were I mean that was November of twenty one.

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>No, that's wrong. I wasn't dinner of them because that's no, no, no,

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you weren't there that was yet.

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden you were cast on

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>the show, right, and then all of a sudden you

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>had the single greatest facelist I've ever seen in my

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>life and lost all this right on Ozembic and you

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>were like a walking filter and famous and like really

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 1>like completely different, like the same person inside, this lovable,

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>amazing person. But like, do you feel like people changed

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>because of how much you changed to people? Like in

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 1>your life. That's a great question. I don't know, Jack,

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like you were certain like suddenly went from a normal person.

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Like listen, when I was cast on the show, I

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 1>drove a Toyota minivan. It was filthy. My kids destroyed it.

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>They were all little at the time. You know, like,

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm kind of different but also the same. But like,

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>do you feel different? You're you look totally different?

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean I that does not escape me because everywhere

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I go, including like the reunion last year when Andy

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, Jenfesla, you look different, and I'm like, yeah,

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 2>I know, I do. I I know that I look

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously it's not just my body, but it's I got

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>a lower face lift, I got a nose job. I

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's been a lot going on. Those are

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 2>always things by the way that I planned on doing

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't That wasn't a I'm cast on the Housewives

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>and now I have to really I've been looking for

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>someone for years to do my facelift. The truth is

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 2>I did it and it worked out because for whatever reason,

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, timing was perfect for me. I felt like

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>this is right, and after my first season, but it

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 2>was happening regardless, So I was always getting facelift, and

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I've been actually looking for doctor for a few years.

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>What is my point in this? Jack? Yes, I mean

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 2>people I do look different, so I guess so, But

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 2>what do I like?

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Your lifelong best friends are they certainly know they're just

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>so complimentary. And and because I think my facelift I

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>went to doctor Sam Risk, I always have to plug

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>him because I'm just so grateful. But I think that

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 1>it does look natural, so you know, it's I felt

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>so great about it. I like what I see in

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the mirror, and I didn't hate what I saw in

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the mirror. Before you know, it's I didn't. I wasn't.

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I accept my aging. It doesn't really bother me as

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 1>much as maybe it bothers others.

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I almost sort of like it. Again, that's another episode

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of reasons. But I didn't look in

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the me and feel hideous. I always felt attractive. I

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>just feel more attractive. I feel it takes a lot

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 2>less time for me to pull it together. You know,

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're on television and you have to show up

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to get filmed, and there's a lot that goes along

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>with that, especially if you are on the Housewives, right

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>and you know, getting glammed, and it just it's a

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 2>lot less anxiety provoking for me. Yeah.

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So my first season on the show, I was really

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>unprepared for all of the social media comments that would

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>come my way, and I didn't do much. I really didn't.

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>I still had my extensions, were shorter. I didn't do

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a damn thing to my face. I didn't have been

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:49.240
<v Speaker 1>years yet, and I got so many mean comments. Really,

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 1>so here's a funny one.

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.439
<v Speaker 2>So the biggest comment that I would get is that

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>my lips move sideways.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>So and that I have a list. That was my

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>first year. Every comment was like, we hate you and your.

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Lips move sideways and you have a lip.

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So I freaked out, of course, because all of a sudden,

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I went from like my you know, four hundred followers

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 1>to my like one hundred thousand followers, and I was

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:20.879
<v Speaker 1>hearing repeatedly this shit. So I tried to I went

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to a doctor and I said, can you fix my.

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Lips and make them move in the same direction?

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, I'm sorry, Like that's not that's

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a muscular thing, Like don't your lips are great?

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Stop it, please go home.

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 1>So I went to a speech therapist, and I said,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>please fix my lisp, and of course you signed me

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 1>up for ten sessions, and I didn't tell anybody, and

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 1>then I was going to out my fourth session.

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I would sit there doing all these stupid I had

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 2>these straws that I was like sticking in my mouth

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.839
<v Speaker 2>and saying my rs, never once doing it. Oh my god,

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I was so paranoid. So on my fourth session, I'm

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>leaving the house and everone goes, where are you going?

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know what, I'm just going to tell him.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I said, I've been going to a speech therapis.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, stop right now, stop it right now, Like

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you're not doing this shit, do not let it get

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 1>to you. It's never going to stop. People are never

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 1>going to stop saying mean things because that's what social

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>media is. You don't need a speech therapist, you don't

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>have a lisp, just just stop.

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 2>And so I stopped. I didn't go back, and I

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>did some shit at home. You know, I used to

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>read these stupid sentiences over and over, but like it

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>really doesn't sell ll Yeah, And what I learned is

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>that people are always going to pick you apart, no

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>matter how perfect you are. So I have experienced that.

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>I experienced it before plastic surgery and ozempic, and i've

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 2>eveneers and I'm I'm experiencing it now. I get a

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of like you look like a man, which I

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>think is hilarious. I ever thought that I want to

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>represent myself by the way as like someone who is

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 2>no insecurities. I have a like all of us, right,

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 2>but you have a securities.

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>But this that kind of stuff, even when before all

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 1>of this didn't really get to me, and I don't

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I get I don't know what that's about, but like

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I almost think it's funny, Like I look at you

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're so clearly this beautiful woman, and anybody that

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 1>says otherwise is I'm sorry, but I think jealous and mean.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't like why would that like, you know, no,

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>now I.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Feel more beautiful than ever. But that was a function

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of recovery and a lot of therapy. I mean, therapy

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I think is the greatest.

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>In another episode again, oh yeah, no, there's no living

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 2>without therapy.

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I understand why people would be on a zembic just

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to put it, I understood on why you would be

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>so concerned. Yes, I do have my concerns, but you

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>know what, I think it's just a remains to be seen.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 2>The kind of thing.

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I still want to know what in God's name happened

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>to Sharon Osborne's insights to make her look the way

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:53.799
<v Speaker 1>that she does and not.

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Be able to come out of it. But like churs,

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>so I hope she is okay. Yeah, I do like

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 2>her too. Actually she's had some controversy, yes, but who hasn't.

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you guys, there's like a lot of

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.919
<v Speaker 2>really raw stuff that we're gonna be talking about. Yeah,

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm so grateful, well to you, Oh,

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 2>don't be grul but to have a platform. I always

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>really like going on podcasts. You haven't been on that many.

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I mean obviously you've been on so so many.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I have not, But I like to just to just

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 2>shoot the shit about stuff that's real.

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is that like you get to suddenly,

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 2>like you wake up one day and like you're your

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 2>middle aged yeah, and like a lot that goes along

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>with that. It's different, you know, like different your kids

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 2>are grown ups. Like you just walked in, I had

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>my son standing here, and you're like.

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, because my boys are fifteen and thirteen,

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and her son is twenty three. And I said to Jena,

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 1>he was just talking with this like deep.

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 4>Man voice, like his man clothes, and in the middle

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 4>of his conversation, should I just turn to Gin? And

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 4>I said, is that is that kind of happened to

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 4>my boys? When I asked her son, are they still

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 4>getting a snuggle with me?

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm scared. I am scared. And there's so many things

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>that this phase of life that are just amazing but different.

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It's also for me in so many ways better I am.

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 2>And this is I'm being as real as I can

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>possibly be. I am happier now than I was in

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>my twenties. I'm happier now too, of course. But you know,

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 2>even life are different. It's like good sex is different, the.

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Way you feel about people in your life, the way

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on like all of that stuffe so much

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of it is better though, oh yes it's better, but

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>it's different. You know, you settle in more less, less

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 1>things are exciting the way they used to be. But well,

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you are way more of a doer than I am.

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm a non doer, I'm a lady, I'm a door

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and stay know, I twitch, I say to my I

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>say to my therapist all the time. I'm like, well,

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 1>if I wasn't doing this, I'd be twiddling my thumbs.

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And she says, I want you to twiddle your thumbs. Yeah,

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I want you to twiddle your thumb.

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:15.879
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't. We'll get into that the episode about

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 2>and you get older, you tend to twiddle more.

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, guys, we are so excited about this new venture

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to be dropping new episodes every other week,

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<v Speaker 1>so be sure to download and listen and give us

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<v Speaker 1>five stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, please, please, I get you. We're not begging, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not beggars, but I feel like it, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, you know, top the five star button.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am.

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<v Speaker 2>We're both over the moon. We're really excited and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have some unbelievable, really interesting guests. We both have.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both have like a wishless I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to put it out there. On our first episode,

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<v Speaker 2>my number one is Michael Rappaport just saying, oh, she

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<v Speaker 2>loves to saying I dive, I dive from his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Like, like here's another episode, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you does Jeff get upset when you say that

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<v Speaker 1>about Michael Becase. Just another episode, but like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a thing for Pete Davidson, but like Evan doesn't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Love when I like shout that out. Jeff cannot get

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<v Speaker 2>two shits.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, another time, but guys, you can follow us on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram at two Jersey Jays. And you know the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that, like we may look like these like

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<v Speaker 1>two little friends that come out for a half hour

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<v Speaker 1>reunion or like stuff cheese in our mouth, but Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and I have had really crazy, wildlives, yeah, that people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about, like certain moments, traumatic things happen that

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten. We've bonded a lot over a lot I

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<v Speaker 1>think of past trauma. Yeah, and we're really excited to

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<v Speaker 1>bring it all to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time, follow us on Instagram and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. Download our episodes. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you guys, and talk soon, not soon,