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Speaker 1: Hey everyone. I'm Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I joined the show in season nine, and I'm Jen Fessler,

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Speaker 2: also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and I

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Speaker 2: guess I joined in season twelve. Jack I think so yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: keep up? No season thirteen, you joined Sason thirteen would

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Speaker 2: you be without me?

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Speaker 1: And Welcome to our new podcast, To Your Jersey.

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Speaker 2: We're so excited to do this, guys. It's Kith. It

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Speaker 2: escapes you Jay. The Jay stands for Jackie Jennifer maybe Jewish,

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Speaker 2: maybe Jersey Jersey.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this podcast is going to be We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about everything, no holds barred. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be everything like motherhood, health, love.

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Speaker 2: Things that are going on really in our lives. Jackie,

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Speaker 2: I'm fifty five, Jackie's forty seven, So there's like an

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Speaker 2: interesting range here. And you know, in terms of like

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Speaker 2: both of us being middle age creeping up to old age,

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Speaker 2: I think a little faster. We're going to.

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Speaker 1: Dive right in with something that Jen and I have

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Speaker 1: never spoken about before. You know, if you don't mind

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Speaker 1: me talking for one second, I will say Jen and

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Speaker 1: I are very very similar women. We are both middle

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Speaker 1: aged Jewish women from New Jersey, and we have the

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Speaker 1: same job and the same circle of friends. But there

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Speaker 1: is one very big, glaring difference between us.

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Speaker 2: So I have been on and I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: call it. Everybody calls it ozempic, right, that's sort of

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Speaker 2: been the umbrella name. But I've been on what's called

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Speaker 2: semigluetide for over a year now and I've lost maybe

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Speaker 1: And I am an outspoken advocate for eating disorder recovery

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Speaker 1: and a very strong opponent of semigluetides. For losing those

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Speaker 1: last ten pounds, I think it's a very danger trend,

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Speaker 1: but out of respect for each other in our friendship,

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Speaker 1: we have never.

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Speaker 2: Discussed it, unlike I think, I think that our podcast

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Speaker 2: is not going to be a housewives podcast per se,

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Speaker 2: but also different in that I think sometimes it Maybe

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Speaker 2: you all have noticed that housewives tend to escalate situations

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Speaker 2: that don't have to become so volatile do become volatile,

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Speaker 2: and Jackie and I have never had that kind of

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Speaker 2: Clearly we're not going to agree on maybe not just

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Speaker 2: ozempic semi glue type, but a lot of things, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to really make an effort to talk things

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Speaker 2: respectful of both of us and our friendship. Right, So

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Speaker 1: So I think that it's a very dangerous trend to

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Speaker 1: use ozempic just to lose you know, those last ten

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Speaker 1: to fifteen pounds. And now I am in my job.

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Speaker 1: We're on a cast of nine women. Okay, so take

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Speaker 1: me out of it. There's eight posts stars on this show,

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Speaker 1: and more than half of them are on ozembic, so I.

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Speaker 2: Can't verify that, but I know that more than half

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Speaker 2: of us have definitely lost considerable amount of weight. Well,

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Speaker 2: I have questions for Jen that I have never asked

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Speaker 2: her because it's not only personal medical decision that she made,

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you. I'm a hundred by the way,

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Speaker 1: Like if it was me and I'm a paranoid person

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Speaker 2: So I am a raging hypochondria, which you know. But

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Speaker 2: So I was started to So one of these side

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Speaker 2: you kidding? I just didn't I know. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say two things. Number One, I'm aware that there are

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Speaker 2: what all of this is. But I will also say

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about do you worry about the muscle loss

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Speaker 2: So let me say that, and that's dangerous. Well, so

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Speaker 2: I know I probably sound so irresponsible, but I haven't

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Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of this you have

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Speaker 1: Right, So tell me what you think about this. So recently,

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Speaker 1: Sharon Osborne, there was a story about her, There's been

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Speaker 1: And that just makes me think what must have happened

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Speaker 2: Right? Doesn't that make you worry? No, it doesn't. Here's

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Speaker 2: Like I don't there's I feel like there's always going

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Speaker 3: Right now, So does your daughter, since your daughter does

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to know I am not judging

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Speaker 1: I have more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that a lot of you know

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Speaker 1: it is to feel hunger and then eat something.

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Speaker 2: So let me say this first of all, I Jackie,

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Speaker 2: you know this, but I was riddled with blimia and

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Speaker 2: I don't remember, Jack. It was over a year ago,

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Speaker 2: But I also I the other piece of this that

433
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: I think that people don't talk about, is that this

434
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: medication has helped me, not just with weight loss. And again,

435
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think this has talked about a lot. But

436
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: I am. I have an addictive personality and I'm a

437
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: heavy drinker. There were days like back back years ago

438
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: where I had to like, I was questioning my relationship

439
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: with alcohol and I actually checked myself into like an

440
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: outpatient program three days a week because I was unsure

441
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: of whether or not I could stop drinking and it

442
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: was very scary to me. And really, yeah, yeah, that's

443
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: a whole other that's different. You know that I was

444
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: once addicted to horse racing. I had an OTB account

445
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: and I used to tune into the channels and watch OTB.

446
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if OTB is even still around. I

447
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: used to watch the races and call in bets all

448
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: day long. Well, you also maybe have an addicted personal

449
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I want to say, and think

450
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: I got more and more control over it after I

451
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: sort of came to terms the fact that I needed

452
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: to look at it, thankfully. But having said that, when

453
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: was that when did you come to terms of the

454
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: years ago? Nice was never known you to drink like yeah, maybe, Like, well,

455
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't. I never got so out of control that

456
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: they weren't. I never got a dui. I wasn't like

457
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, but I was drinking every day. I was

458
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: drinking wine that whole what is it called the whole

459
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 2: mommy medicine? Oh yeah, yeah, and and too much. And

460
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: my point in all of this is that on semi

461
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: glue tide, it's I have an aversion to it and

462
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: it's not just drinking. So it's now being I've seen

463
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: this all over the news. I don't know if you have,

464
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: but it's very helpful with addiction, period. Right, So all

465
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm in a place where it's just

466
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: not that appealing to me. I still drink, like if

467
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: we're out, you know that we're out. I drink, and

468
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: there are times I drink more. Yeah, but it's not

469
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: it's not what it was. And I love that, all right.

470
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: So let me ask you another question, because this is

471
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: you know a lot of things about using semaglue tide

472
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: just for weight loss horrify me because I think that

473
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: you're setting yourself up for a life long use of

474
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: the drug where there are not long term studies on

475
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: people without diabetes, and there are very like very important,

476
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: like very bad side effects that can happen.

477
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: But you're an adult, okay, sometimes.

478
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: And if you choose that path instead of you know,

479
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: dietitians and trainers like I've chose right, okay, but you're

480
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: an adult.

481
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 2: You're an adult woman.

482
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: So if you choose to lose weight with a semaglue

483
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: tite instead of other paths, that's one thing. Right now,

484
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: the FDA is about to approve this for children.

485
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: I know a couple kids on it.

486
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Well, they're technically not supposed to be honest it yet

487
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't think because.

488
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: It's they were by their endocrinot wait, I should actually

489
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: do the caveat their endocrinologists prescribed it because in a

490
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: few cases, like they were either pre diabetic. Okay, that's

491
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: a different story, right. I would have been the first

492
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: kid on it had this drug been around when I

493
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: was a kid, because my eating disorder started when I

494
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: was thirteen, so I not anorexia, but like my very

495
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: bad relationship with food started at thirteen, and then my

496
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: first really bad diet was at seventeen.

497
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: I would have been on this stuff in a heartbeat,

498
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: and then I never would have been able to come off.

499
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: So my question is, how do you feel about parents

500
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: letting their kids get on this drug just for weight loss?

501
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: Not three diabetes, nothing like that, just weight loss.

502
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: I can't I'm not even going to comment on it

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: because I don't want to even put my what is

504
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: the expression I have in the ring, like I have

505
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: no business, I don't know and I don't even want

506
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: to comment on it. If a kid is morbidly obese,

507
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: oh that's different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking

508
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: about like losing. I mean there's in some way like

509
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: to make any decisions. I don't for my own kids

510
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: when they were that age. That would be something that

511
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: would be that not only life changing, but life altering

512
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: if they could never come off of it. Like, it

513
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: scares me to do anything or did when my kids

514
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: were little that where there would be consequences. I mean,

515
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: it's different when you're a parent, right, right, than when

516
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: you're an adult taking your own body and life you know,

517
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: into your own hands. Right. So you know, we were

518
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: both just at Bravo Khan, yes and there are We.

519
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: Went to a party in a suite and there was

520
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: a ton of food and a ton of housewives when

521
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: really nobody ate anything.

522
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: I did. I ate the pizza was really good. Really yeah.

523
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: But okay, so like you take two bites, you take

524
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: two bites and then you're full. How does it want always?

525
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: I mean, so I eat a piece and just don't

526
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: when it gets to be too much. It's just a

527
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: turn off. But my question is, because this was my

528
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: first Bravo Con, was that different in terms of your

529
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: experience with Bravo Con than it was even last year? Yeah?

530
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean while you do these women generally

531
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: like eat a lot at the bravolebrities at parties. I

532
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: mean they certainly eat. They definitely were. I mean it's

533
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: not like I see them eating all the time. Yes,

534
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean the only time that I've ever said anything,

535
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner. I remember there was another

536
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: housewife with us, and we were all eating dinner, and

537
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: you guys were both It was much earlier on in

538
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: your ozembic journey and I was much earlier on in

539
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: my recovery journey. And we were sitting there and I

540
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: was really the only one eating. The other two of

541
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: you were picking. And I really don't say anything to

542
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: anyone because everyone's journey, and I sometimes can't stand that word. Sorry,

543
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: but everyone's journey is their own. And I was on

544
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: my second glass of wine and I just, you know,

545
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: was feeling all my feelings, and I said, it's really

546
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: horrible to sit here and be the only person eating.

547
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: And I felt so bad about myself because I was

548
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: having this internal dialogue where I was going, God, you're

549
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the only pig at the table cleaning her plate. You're

550
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the only stop eating. No one else is eating.

551
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Stop.

552
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: You gotta have self control. And then the other part

553
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: of my brain is going, well, you're the only person

554
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: with a healthy relationship with food right now, and both

555
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: parts of them, my brain were fighting with each other.

556
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: And I said something to you guys, and the response

557
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: was not good. And so I've never.

558
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: Said any I don't remember.

559
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: The other person was very defensive and rightfully so they

560
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to be questioned about their medical journey. But

561
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: it was the last time I've ever questioned anyone. And

562
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: so the questions now for you are things that I

563
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: genuinely want to know.

564
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: Even then, though I can see why you would feel

565
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: that way, like I wouldn't feel defensive about that you are,

566
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: but it's not my business. My body is my own body,

567
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: but it has right of course. But as someone who

568
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: is recovering from anorexia be sitting at a table with

569
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of women who aren't eating, I can't think

570
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: of anything more triggering than that. So I don't grudge

571
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: that or regrudge you for feeling uncomfortable, and I feel

572
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: badly about that. It doesn't mean that I'm I was

573
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: going to go off the medication, but I understand where

574
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: you're coming from. I mean, I think a lot of

575
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: a lot of not even actually thin people are watching

576
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: this phenomenon and maybe feeling uncomfortable about it.

577
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that kind

578
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: of sits poorly with me is that some people who

579
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: while I was sick, while I was really struggling, and

580
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: then when I decided to recover, were the biggest champions.

581
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: People who said like people who I looked at as

582
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: like people who knew how to eat and not feel

583
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: overwhelming guilt, people who enjoyed food, who would eat a

584
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: little here and then eat a little less, like really

585
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: had that balance, have since gone on ozembics.

586
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: So people who I looked at as.

587
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Role models for how I wanted to one day eat

588
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: get that have since gone on. And Guys, if you

589
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: have never struggled with an eating disorder, and this is

590
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: not going to be an eating disorder podcast, it's so

591
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: bizarre to try to understand how you can be definitely

592
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: afraid of food. I was so afraid of food. It

593
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: had so much psychological trauma behind it. Everybody I could

594
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: not eat. I would pick things up and put them

595
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: down all the time. So I would look at these

596
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: women who had really, really great relationships with food and

597
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: knew how to just eat and then stop. And they

598
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: have since lots of them have since gone on ozembics.

599
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: So it makes me question were they Was I the

600
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: one who was just like projecting this health onto people

601
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that didn't really have it, or were people so drawn

602
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: by the thought of being thin at any cost?

603
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean I was one of those people. Still I

604
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: think that I still am who really enjoyed food. I mean,

605
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: in the this is not a Housewives podcast, but in

606
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the first season that we filmed together, I was scene

607
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: with the Matzorelle you know, was like went viral or

608
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: whatever it's called. And I in this past season that

609
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: we filmed, I enjoyed food a lot more than I

610
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: feel like others did partially, partially maybe even because it

611
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: was like an escape, get me out of this insanity

612
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to focus on the barada or whatever.

613
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: But but I still do enjoy food a lot. It's

614
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: just a different I have some weird mechanism now that

615
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to keep going until I feel sick

616
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 2: and doesn't obsess the way that I used to. So

617
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: for me, I don't worry. I'm so grateful right now

618
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: to have this the difference in my life and to

619
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: it's opened up so much more time for me to

620
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: think about other things, and when so much of my

621
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: headspace was, you know, consumed with food and weight. So

622
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: does your husband have any opinion? Does he like it? So?

623
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: Jeff Is at the beginning was definitely more concerned than

624
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: I was about the side effects, specifically when I you know,

625
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: was impacted. I mean, that was that was probably maybe

626
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: six months into taking it. I'm sorry.

627
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe he went a week and a half

628
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: without going to the dock. I don't even think about it.

629
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: I go two days and I'm like, it's completely ridiculous.

630
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I know, but that's just I'm so worried.

631
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: My head spins about so many things in my life

632
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: that really, oh my god, yours, my head is spinning

633
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: from a million different things at any given moment. But

634
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: that's another episode as well. But anyway, so Jeff was concerned.

635
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: Now he's waiting for it to come out in pill

636
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: form and why he's going to go. He wants to

637
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: go on it when it comes out in pill form.

638
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: He's a big baby, and he won't take shock. I

639
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: really think that one day everyone's going to be on it.

640
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I really do. I mean I'm not going to be on,

641
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: but I don't effected. Did you read that it's affected

642
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: the supermarket industry, no, grocery store industry. Yeah, it already has.

643
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: It's taken a huge hit.

644
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: So but it also concerns me. Amongst all the other concerns,

645
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: it also concerns me what it's going to do to

646
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: our culture. I mean, like, is it one day going

647
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: to be absolutely unacceptable to be maybe for weight at all?

648
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean that scares me because like, you know, like we.

649
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: Have daughters, you know, we might have granddaughters and then

650
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: not like very distant future, I mean, we there are

651
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: young girls who like go through phases that, you know,

652
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: all those hormones hit and puberty and like you gains

653
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: you a fair amount of weight, like if it's not

654
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: acceptable to be overweight at all. I'm I'm afraid of

655
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: like a whole nation or world full of people on drugs.

656
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: I can understand that. I see that. I mean, there's

657
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: so much to be afraid of right now in terms

658
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: of the world and what's coming. You know, I can

659
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: stay up all night thinking about AI. I can certainly

660
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: stay up all night and do stay up on night

661
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: thinking about the war in the Middle East. Yeah, Israel.

662
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: So there's lots of stuff that consumes me at any

663
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 2: given moment.

664
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I think you have a really healthy relationship

665
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: with it, which is I don't worry so much about you, really.

666
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: I worry more about the drug the use of these

667
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: drugs as a whole, and the potential one day. Listen,

668
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: I look at it a different way. I happen to

669
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: think that a lot of these really glowing studies are

670
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: funded by the drug companies themselves. Maybe I have a

671
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: very cynical view of it, and I'm also worried about it.

672
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: And I also worry about the things that people don't

673
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: worry about. Like the muscle loss and the fact that.

674
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: You're are worried about cutting off your humber.

675
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: But the point of this discussion, just just so we

676
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: lay this out clearly, was not to judge anybody.

677
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: It was to really understand. I want people to understand

678
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: why I fear these drugs and what I hate about them,

679
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: and I want people to understand why you're on them

680
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: and what you love about them. Yeah, but I will

681
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: tell you always say to me, like Jen, I'm not

682
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: judging you Jenna much and I never feel judged by you. No, no,

683
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: because I want.

684
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: You to make sure because like listen, I need to

685
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: respect because along my twenty year of anorexia, where I

686
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: really tortured myself whenever anyone would open their mouth to me,

687
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: and people usually didn't. But like you couldn't even give

688
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: me side eye. You couldn't even tell me I looked

689
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: healthy without me throwing a fit. Yeah, I went insane.

690
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: So I know what it feels like to have people

691
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: comment on what you're doing to your body when you

692
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask for those comments.

693
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: Yet oh I get I get comments constantly. You do

694
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: get comments, oh my gosh, positive or both both, but

695
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: a lot of negative A lot of well, I get

696
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: a lot of your tooth thin, which I never thought

697
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: i'd hear. And then there's that's always followed with you know,

698
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: when you're gonna get off. The medication doesn't matter like

699
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: everything else when you're an adult, if it's I've done

700
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 2: my research, I feel comfortable. This is my body, my choice,

701
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: and for me, it's been really, really wonderful.

702
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I met you a few years ago at an event

703
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: that I was at. I was I was really good

704
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: event for a dress or success, and you were great,

705
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: and we really liked each other. We did not, like

706
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: immediately become best.

707
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: Oh God, to stop it. You hated me? Oh I

708
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: didn't you? No, I didn't well that I liked you.

709
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: I liked you show I liked you. But I I

710
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: heard you talk at that at that at dress for success,

711
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: at that event, and I was like, I wow, I

712
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: was so impressed you talk so honestly about your struggles,

713
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: and it was I said to you that night, like

714
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: to do that in a room filled with women who

715
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: have just either you know, come out of you know,

716
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: being incarcerated, or women that were trying to get jobs

717
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: and they were homeless, and you were able to tell

718
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: your story in such a way that was it. I

719
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: think it's that was a hard situation to be really

720
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: and I didn't think that you explained it, and you

721
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: were very honest about listening. This has not been my problem, right,

722
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: I haven't been incarcerated and I haven't been homeless. But

723
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: here are my struggles, and they've been real, and they've

724
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: been real. Oh thank you.

725
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Actually, my point of this conversation is a lot more

726
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: shallow than that. I was going to say that, like

727
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: you were a really great, nice, like normal woman. I

728
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: really liked you, and then fast forward literally six months later,

729
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: you were I mean that was November of twenty one.

730
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: No, that's wrong. I wasn't dinner of them because that's no, no, no,

731
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: you weren't there that was yet.

732
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you were cast on

733
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: the show, right, and then all of a sudden you

734
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: had the single greatest facelist I've ever seen in my

735
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: life and lost all this right on Ozembic and you

736
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: were like a walking filter and famous and like really

737
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: like completely different, like the same person inside, this lovable,

738
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: amazing person. But like, do you feel like people changed

739
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: because of how much you changed to people? Like in

740
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: your life. That's a great question. I don't know, Jack,

741
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: like you were certain like suddenly went from a normal person.

742
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Like listen, when I was cast on the show, I

743
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: drove a Toyota minivan. It was filthy. My kids destroyed it.

744
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: They were all little at the time. You know, like,

745
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of different but also the same. But like,

746
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: do you feel different? You're you look totally different?

747
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean I that does not escape me because everywhere

748
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: I go, including like the reunion last year when Andy

749
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: was like, Jenfesla, you look different, and I'm like, yeah,

750
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: I know, I do. I I know that I look

751
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: obviously it's not just my body, but it's I got

752
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: a lower face lift, I got a nose job. I

753
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a lot going on. Those are

754
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: always things by the way that I planned on doing

755
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't That wasn't a I'm cast on the Housewives

756
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: and now I have to really I've been looking for

757
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: someone for years to do my facelift. The truth is

758
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: I did it and it worked out because for whatever reason,

759
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, timing was perfect for me. I felt like

760
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: this is right, and after my first season, but it

761
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: was happening regardless, So I was always getting facelift, and

762
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: I've been actually looking for doctor for a few years.

763
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: What is my point in this? Jack? Yes, I mean

764
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: people I do look different, so I guess so, But

765
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: what do I like?

766
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: Your lifelong best friends are they certainly know they're just

767
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: so complimentary. And and because I think my facelift I

768
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: went to doctor Sam Risk, I always have to plug

769
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: him because I'm just so grateful. But I think that

770
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: it does look natural, so you know, it's I felt

771
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: so great about it. I like what I see in

772
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: the mirror, and I didn't hate what I saw in

773
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: the mirror. Before you know, it's I didn't. I wasn't.

774
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: I accept my aging. It doesn't really bother me as

775
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: much as maybe it bothers others.

776
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: I almost sort of like it. Again, that's another episode

777
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. But I didn't look in

778
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: the me and feel hideous. I always felt attractive. I

779
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: just feel more attractive. I feel it takes a lot

780
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: less time for me to pull it together. You know,

781
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: when you're on television and you have to show up

782
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: to get filmed, and there's a lot that goes along

783
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: with that, especially if you are on the Housewives, right

784
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: and you know, getting glammed, and it just it's a

785
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: lot less anxiety provoking for me. Yeah.

786
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: So my first season on the show, I was really

787
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: unprepared for all of the social media comments that would

788
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: come my way, and I didn't do much. I really didn't.

789
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: I still had my extensions, were shorter. I didn't do

790
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: a damn thing to my face. I didn't have been

791
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: years yet, and I got so many mean comments. Really,

792
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: so here's a funny one.

793
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: So the biggest comment that I would get is that

794
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: my lips move sideways.

795
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: So and that I have a list. That was my

796
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: first year. Every comment was like, we hate you and your.

797
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Lips move sideways and you have a lip.

798
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: So I freaked out, of course, because all of a sudden,

799
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I went from like my you know, four hundred followers

800
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: to my like one hundred thousand followers, and I was

801
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: hearing repeatedly this shit. So I tried to I went

802
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: to a doctor and I said, can you fix my.

803
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: Lips and make them move in the same direction?

804
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm sorry, Like that's not that's

805
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: a muscular thing, Like don't your lips are great?

806
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: Stop it, please go home.

807
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: So I went to a speech therapist, and I said,

808
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: please fix my lisp, and of course you signed me

809
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: up for ten sessions, and I didn't tell anybody, and

810
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: then I was going to out my fourth session.

811
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: I would sit there doing all these stupid I had

812
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: these straws that I was like sticking in my mouth

813
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: and saying my rs, never once doing it. Oh my god,

814
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: I was so paranoid. So on my fourth session, I'm

815
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: leaving the house and everone goes, where are you going?

816
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm just going to tell him.

817
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: I said, I've been going to a speech therapis.

818
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: He's like, stop right now, stop it right now, Like

819
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: you're not doing this shit, do not let it get

820
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: to you. It's never going to stop. People are never

821
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: going to stop saying mean things because that's what social

822
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: media is. You don't need a speech therapist, you don't

823
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: have a lisp, just just stop.

824
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: And so I stopped. I didn't go back, and I

825
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: did some shit at home. You know, I used to

826
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: read these stupid sentiences over and over, but like it

827
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: really doesn't sell ll Yeah, And what I learned is

828
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: that people are always going to pick you apart, no

829
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: matter how perfect you are. So I have experienced that.

830
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: I experienced it before plastic surgery and ozempic, and i've

831
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: eveneers and I'm I'm experiencing it now. I get a

832
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: lot of like you look like a man, which I

833
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: think is hilarious. I ever thought that I want to

834
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: represent myself by the way as like someone who is

835
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: no insecurities. I have a like all of us, right,

836
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: but you have a securities.

837
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: But this that kind of stuff, even when before all

838
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: of this didn't really get to me, and I don't

839
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: I get I don't know what that's about, but like

840
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: I almost think it's funny, Like I look at you

841
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: and you're so clearly this beautiful woman, and anybody that

842
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: says otherwise is I'm sorry, but I think jealous and mean.

843
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: So it doesn't like why would that like, you know, no,

844
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: now I.

845
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Feel more beautiful than ever. But that was a function

846
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: of recovery and a lot of therapy. I mean, therapy

847
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I think is the greatest.

848
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: In another episode again, oh yeah, no, there's no living

849
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: without therapy.

850
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: I understand why people would be on a zembic just

851
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: to put it, I understood on why you would be

852
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: so concerned. Yes, I do have my concerns, but you

853
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: know what, I think it's just a remains to be seen.

854
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: The kind of thing.

855
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I still want to know what in God's name happened

856
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: to Sharon Osborne's insights to make her look the way

857
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: that she does and not.

858
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Be able to come out of it. But like churs,

859
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: so I hope she is okay. Yeah, I do like

860
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: her too. Actually she's had some controversy, yes, but who hasn't.

861
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, you guys, there's like a lot of

862
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: really raw stuff that we're gonna be talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm so grateful, well to you, Oh,

864
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Speaker 2: don't be grul but to have a platform. I always

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Speaker 2: really like going on podcasts. You haven't been on that many.

866
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Speaker 2: I'm not. I mean obviously you've been on so so many.

867
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Speaker 2: I have not, But I like to just to just

868
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Speaker 2: shoot the shit about stuff that's real.

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Speaker 1: Right.

870
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Speaker 2: But the thing is that like you get to suddenly,

871
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Speaker 2: like you wake up one day and like you're your

872
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: middle aged yeah, and like a lot that goes along

873
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Speaker 2: with that. It's different, you know, like different your kids

874
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: are grown ups. Like you just walked in, I had

875
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Speaker 2: my son standing here, and you're like.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, because my boys are fifteen and thirteen,

877
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: and her son is twenty three. And I said to Jena,

878
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: he was just talking with this like deep.

879
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: Man voice, like his man clothes, and in the middle

880
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: of his conversation, should I just turn to Gin? And

881
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: I said, is that is that kind of happened to

882
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Speaker 4: my boys? When I asked her son, are they still

883
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: getting a snuggle with me?

884
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm scared. I am scared. And there's so many things

885
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: that this phase of life that are just amazing but different.

886
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: It's also for me in so many ways better I am.

887
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: And this is I'm being as real as I can

888
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Speaker 2: possibly be. I am happier now than I was in

889
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: my twenties. I'm happier now too, of course. But you know,

890
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Speaker 2: even life are different. It's like good sex is different, the.

891
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Way you feel about people in your life, the way

892
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: your thoughts on like all of that stuffe so much

893
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: of it is better though, oh yes it's better, but

894
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: it's different. You know, you settle in more less, less

895
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: things are exciting the way they used to be. But well,

896
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: you are way more of a doer than I am.

897
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm a non doer, I'm a lady, I'm a door

898
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: and stay know, I twitch, I say to my I

899
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: say to my therapist all the time. I'm like, well,

900
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Speaker 1: if I wasn't doing this, I'd be twiddling my thumbs.

901
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: And she says, I want you to twiddle your thumbs. Yeah,

902
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I want you to twiddle your thumb.

903
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: No, I don't. We'll get into that the episode about

904
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: and you get older, you tend to twiddle more.

905
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Speaker 1: Well, guys, we are so excited about this new venture

906
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: and we're going to be dropping new episodes every other week,

907
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: so be sure to download and listen and give us

908
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: five stars.

909
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: Please, please, please, I get you. We're not begging, we're

910
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: not beggars, but I feel like it, and you have

911
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: a minute, you know, top the five star button.

912
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: But I am.

913
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Speaker 2: We're both over the moon. We're really excited and we're

914
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: going to have some unbelievable, really interesting guests. We both have.

915
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: I think we both have like a wishless I'm just

916
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: going to put it out there. On our first episode,

917
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Speaker 2: my number one is Michael Rappaport just saying, oh, she

918
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: loves to saying I dive, I dive from his wife.

919
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like, like here's another episode, but like,

920
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: are you does Jeff get upset when you say that

921
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: about Michael Becase. Just another episode, but like I have

922
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: a thing for Pete Davidson, but like Evan doesn't really.

923
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Love when I like shout that out. Jeff cannot get

924
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: two shits.

925
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: Okay, another time, but guys, you can follow us on

926
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Instagram at two Jersey Jays. And you know the other

927
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: thing is that, like we may look like these like

928
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: two little friends that come out for a half hour

929
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: reunion or like stuff cheese in our mouth, but Jen

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00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: and I have had really crazy, wildlives, yeah, that people

931
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know about, like certain moments, traumatic things happen that

932
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: we've gotten. We've bonded a lot over a lot I

933
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: think of past trauma. Yeah, and we're really excited to

934
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Speaker 1: bring it all to you guys.

935
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Speaker 2: So okay, so.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, follow us on Instagram and thank you

937
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: for listening. Download our episodes. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: We love you guys, and talk soon, not soon,