WEBVTT - Ep 58: Cat Power

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the Loud and Quiet

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<v Speaker 2>Interview podcast. Sorry I went for some big energy there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very self conscious about these introductions, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm putting lots of energy into it, and it

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<v Speaker 2>never is the case. When I listen back to it, it

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<v Speaker 2>always sounds really dull. So I just I went for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it didn't work. It didn't work at all. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for joining us once again, if indeed you are

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<v Speaker 2>a return customer. This is episode fifty eight of Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're brand new to us, Midnight Chats is the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast brought to you by Loud and Quiet Magazine. We

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<v Speaker 2>interview a different musician each week and it's called Midnight

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<v Speaker 2>Chats because we put it online at midnight and the

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<v Speaker 2>whole vibe of the conversation, which you could say is

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<v Speaker 2>under researched, you could also say is informal and has

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<v Speaker 2>a late night phil That would be a more polite

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<v Speaker 2>way of saying it, and that's what we choose to

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<v Speaker 2>say about it. But hopefully you will enjoy this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's with Cat Power this week. Last week we had

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<v Speaker 2>a live special one that Greg did with Josh T. Pearson.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a loose chat. It was loose Josh I

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<v Speaker 2>think was a little bit you know, he was having

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<v Speaker 2>a good time. It had a good time the night before.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put it that way. Listen back if you've not

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<v Speaker 2>checked that out. This week is a slightly different feel

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<v Speaker 2>to that, and it's fresh off of the Factory line.

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<v Speaker 2>I went and met Sean Marshall aka cap Power just

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<v Speaker 2>two days ago. She was in town to play a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of shows and staying in Marlabone in a very

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<v Speaker 2>nice hotel, which she kindly invited me over to to

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<v Speaker 2>record this so we could get some privacy. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I didn't really know what to expect from meeting Shan.

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<v Speaker 2>She's someone who's in the past had a reputation for

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<v Speaker 2>being quite a volatile person, and a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from live shows that she's done in the past

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<v Speaker 2>that have not gone to plan, they have not ended well,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of that is because of the extreme

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<v Speaker 2>stage fright that she has suffered from for most of

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<v Speaker 2>her career. And obviously people like to write about that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, you know, the drama of somebody not

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<v Speaker 2>coping with being on stage very well as insensitive as

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<v Speaker 2>that is. So with that, she has a certain reputation,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I met her, she was couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>further from any preconception like that. She was instantly very funny,

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<v Speaker 2>very charming, very welcoming, and we had a really good

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<v Speaker 2>laugh Before we even started recording this. We chose not

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<v Speaker 2>to concentrate on Shan's hard upbringing in Atlanta, Georgia, or

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<v Speaker 2>many of the other kind of really sad times that

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<v Speaker 2>she has had to face in her life, including losing

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<v Speaker 2>friends to drug addiction and just growing up very poor

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<v Speaker 2>in America. We chose not to do that. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>most of her interviews kind of inevitably end up landing on. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke about her love for karaoke, her son who

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<v Speaker 2>is three years old. He's called Bo and he was

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<v Speaker 2>with her on this trip, but he was on a

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<v Speaker 2>sight seeing bus whilst we were doing this, and a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about New York, which I found really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>What it was like to move to New York in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two. Sounds like it was a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot different to the New York that we now

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<v Speaker 2>go and experience as tourists. And that was really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and actually that bit was sad. Still, there are plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of laughs in this one, a lot more than you

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<v Speaker 2>would probably think from a cat Power interview. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you deal with the smoking situation on the plane? Are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a crazy smoker, it's just if I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>When I'm working, I tend to smoke, you know. But

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<v Speaker 3>when I'm not working, when I'm at home, I don't smoke.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't. It's not a problem. I actually enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>not smoking. Okay, yeah, but I but I really love

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<v Speaker 3>smoking too. If I'm you know, stressed out or.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do you do the vaping thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I know you just showed me that I do that

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<v Speaker 3>little thing that I just showed you when I'm working

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't smoke inside and I need to just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of take a breather a little fix.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks for coming on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you for having me?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you listen to podcasts? Are you a podcast fan?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm lucky if I get enough time to put a

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<v Speaker 3>record on.

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<v Speaker 2>So how what do you do when you're on a flight,

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<v Speaker 2>When you're on a long, haole flight like you are yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you use that time for that sacred airtime

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<v Speaker 2>where you can't be bothered by people.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it's because I have a toddler, three and a

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<v Speaker 3>half year old boy, So usually most of my flight is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, making sure he's sitting in a seat, that

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<v Speaker 3>he's eating, that he's his you know, movie is working?

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<v Speaker 3>Does he need to pee? Mainly I'm focused on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he with you on this trip?

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<v Speaker 3>He is? He's out. What do you call it? You

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<v Speaker 3>know those London double duck, double decker.

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<v Speaker 2>Tour sightseeing bus? Amazing? Has he been to London before?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is third fourth? I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually he's been to France a bit more, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know why he hasn't been here more.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he seem to like it?

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<v Speaker 3>He love? He knows Harry Potters from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's all you need to know.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing worth he knows Austin Powers is from He

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<v Speaker 3>knows who's the other one. There's one very important one

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't think of who it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Powers is the important one, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>There's one that he what is it? Harry Potter, Austin Powers,

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<v Speaker 3>Come on? One more?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it something Shrek? Shrek? Okay? One more pepper Pig.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows Pepper's British. Yeah, I forgot the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>Pepper Pig is like crack to children, isn't it. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never great, I've never met a child who is not

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with it, like really really into it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so relaxed, I think, because it's not like it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like cutouts cutouts, So that's really one dimensional, so

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<v Speaker 3>easy to you know, to lay on, to lay your

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<v Speaker 3>brain on, because it's so simple. Colors are.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got like two eyes on the same side of

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<v Speaker 2>that face. Kids quiet, They don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>To ever move, No, they move left and right or

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<v Speaker 3>up or down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you don't do if I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can read, I have a new mirror, Kami Haruku Murakami,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm trying to read. So I get like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of pages into that, and then on on this

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<v Speaker 3>flight and actually and then I fall asleep. But I

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<v Speaker 3>made the big, very enormous mistake of I don't watch

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<v Speaker 3>scary films anymore. When I was a kid, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all I watched. But when I was pregnant, I

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<v Speaker 3>just couldn't like, no more, no more scary movies, no

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<v Speaker 3>more scary nightmares. Blah blah blah. But I made the

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<v Speaker 3>very stupid mistake of watching. I could not. I could not.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot recommend it, not more than never, not ever.

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<v Speaker 3>You should never see it. It's called hereditary. Hereditary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a horror film. Yeah, it's I'm not good with

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<v Speaker 2>any type of horror film. I'm not even good with,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, Blair Witch this.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was telling f Effie, this is if you

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<v Speaker 3>could see what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you shouldn't see it. You can't unsee it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it gory? No, No, it's not gory, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>psychological in your head.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in your head because it's a mother relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>the children, so that's psychological anyway. And she's losing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, life is just sucking all around her. Life

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<v Speaker 3>is really sucking, right, and you know she puts together

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<v Speaker 3>that has some bad, really bad stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So when did you see this film on the plane? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You saw? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Mistake rather than once you fell asleep, my son,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just like getting in my book, which I

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<v Speaker 3>was really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>For, watch a really horrible film.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's really good because it's it's that damaging.

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<v Speaker 3>There's things at the end. You just had to turn

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<v Speaker 3>it off.

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<v Speaker 2>So what have you been watching that otherwise? Yeah, that's notch.

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<v Speaker 3>We just got off tour the first like a tour,

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<v Speaker 3>so just like you know, I haven't really been watching

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<v Speaker 3>anything at all. It's basically just you know, like Black

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<v Speaker 3>Stallion for him and different things e T and different

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<v Speaker 3>things for him. Really stand by me, he really likes to.

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<v Speaker 2>See that's cool. He's only three.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. So last night so he fell asleep,

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't sleep and he woke up. So I found

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<v Speaker 3>really quickly he likes Lord of the Rings, which is

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<v Speaker 3>very bad. Right. I have to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>conversations about that, you know, the Dark Rider and all

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff. But the end, it was the number three.

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<v Speaker 3>It was on you know BBC some it was on

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<v Speaker 3>TV last night and it was the very last scene

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<v Speaker 3>where Gandalf takes Frodo into the boat leaving. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I lost a dog of hours. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I have had three one of them best away in

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<v Speaker 3>April and my son Bo was with me when that happened,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, had to explain that he had to

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<v Speaker 3>go away forever. You know and someone else had to

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<v Speaker 3>go away forever. Since Bo's been around two, so he

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<v Speaker 3>knows about going away forever. And it was the last

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<v Speaker 3>scene in that movie. And he already knows Lord of

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<v Speaker 3>the Rings, you know, he already knows the relationship Gandalf

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<v Speaker 3>and Sam Wise, he knows all the relationships there. And

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<v Speaker 3>he hadn't seen this because others are so violent or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But this one was the last scene where they're saying

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<v Speaker 3>goodbye and Frodo has to say goodbye. It's when Gandalf

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<v Speaker 3>is hugging the other Hobbits and they realized they're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to see him again. And Bo realized just without

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<v Speaker 3>without them uttering like I'm going away forever, because they

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<v Speaker 3>don't say it, but Bo could tell that he was

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<v Speaker 3>really going away forever. He lost it, screaming. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so heartbroken, you know, like collapsed, you know, we're on

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<v Speaker 3>the bend. He kind of hunched over and he was

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<v Speaker 3>just just really letting loose, and I just hugged him

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, are you sad, sweetie? Because Gandalf

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<v Speaker 3>has to go away forever? And I said, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 3>because he's going away with Frodo. Watch they're going together,

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<v Speaker 3>and the elves are going together.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay he was, okay, just putting him back in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Peppa Pig. I know you know where you are

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<v Speaker 2>with that, don't you?

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<v Speaker 3>Moving on?

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<v Speaker 2>So what are your sorry that's what are your interests

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<v Speaker 2>outside of music? What your Do you have any hobbies?

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<v Speaker 3>I used to I still would like to do that again.

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<v Speaker 3>I really love like sketching and painting and writing, like

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<v Speaker 3>on a typewriter, just like writing, writing whatever it is, story, truth, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>Turkish coffee, some cigarettes, closed door, open window. And I

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<v Speaker 3>really missed doing that, and I miss I miss like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, charcoals and painting and mixing colors and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>back oning it on and painting it up and this

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<v Speaker 3>sort of they're both very trancelike feelings. Usually, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll play whatever music, turning the record play or over

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<v Speaker 3>and over and over. Your consciousness takes kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a timeless position. I feel like people that do that

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<v Speaker 3>in their life, you know, people that also meditate. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>when they do that, when they go when they set

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of limitless bounds of an hour, three hours,

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<v Speaker 3>I ain't got nothing to do today. I'll just do

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<v Speaker 3>this for eight hours or twelve hours or twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>hours or two hours or whatever it is. You really

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<v Speaker 3>kind of enter into this part of your consciousness, subconsciousness

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<v Speaker 3>that isn't related at the time. You're set free in

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<v Speaker 3>this strange way.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find a similar thing when you're going Catok?

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny because I know you're a big karaoke fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I love. The reason I'm a karaoke fan is

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<v Speaker 3>because my whole life I grew up, you know, loving

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of music, a bunch of songs that as

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<v Speaker 3>a little kid. And and when I discovered karaoke in ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Six, where did you use? Discover it?

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<v Speaker 3>At this place that now you can't even go in.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like frat kids stuff. It was this Korean place

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<v Speaker 3>I met with Tim Foleyon because I just met Tim

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<v Speaker 3>foley On at a show in New York that I

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<v Speaker 3>opened up for Liz Fair or whatever. Anyway, I won't

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<v Speaker 3>get into all this, but and we met for lunch

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<v Speaker 3>and around the corner was this bar called Winnies, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was Korean bar and they had karaoke. I just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to get a drink and went in and it

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<v Speaker 3>was like all Korean, you know, very serious, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>very serious, these people having a drink waiting for their

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<v Speaker 3>turn to sing classic.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it one of those situations where that's singing to

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<v Speaker 2>an open room. Oh yeah, it's like it's not a booth.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no no. I hadn't been to one of

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<v Speaker 3>those years after that, sure, but it informed me. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to say professionalism, but the seriousness they were

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<v Speaker 3>singing these traditional these extremely valuable. Their time was valuable

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<v Speaker 3>with this this these songs. Yeah, and I was like, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So I asked if they had an English menu, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for the songs, and that was my first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what did you sing?

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<v Speaker 3>Otis read the same shit? I always sing the same shit,

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<v Speaker 3>Patsy Cline, otis writing ANDK Williams, Willie Nelson, Billie Holliday,

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<v Speaker 3>Nina Simone, and read the Franklin Johnny Cash, the same shit.

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<v Speaker 3>I always been singing since I was a kid. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's the same material. Well, when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my dad, I think it was five. I

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<v Speaker 3>met my parents when I was around four and a half,

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<v Speaker 3>so my grandma took me and then when I was born,

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<v Speaker 3>but uh, being raised by her formative years, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she was a farmer, so we bought our food at

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<v Speaker 3>the farmer's market. We didn't go to the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 3>And in Georgia, and so a lot of our day

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<v Speaker 3>or evening afternoon was spent like cleaning the vegetables, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>cleaning the meat, cleaning the you know, the chicken. Not cleaning,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm saying, like preparing, preparing, cracking the beans, doing

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. And so in that time we would

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<v Speaker 3>she always sing, right, So whatever songs she would sing,

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<v Speaker 3>I would learn through her singing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So and then on Sundays, you know, or Wednesdays, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>we to, we'd go to church. So I was always

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<v Speaker 3>singing as a little kid with her. Also because the

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<v Speaker 3>way I grown up, different different schools, different homes, different people.

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<v Speaker 3>I was living with, different family members, different things. Always

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<v Speaker 3>traveling around as a kid, very unsettled child life or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Never you know, one place, it was always moving around.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of times being the new kid. I

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<v Speaker 3>changed my name when I was twelve because it was

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<v Speaker 3>just easier for everybody, because Charlene is my name, but

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<v Speaker 3>I changed it when I was twelve, took letters out

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<v Speaker 3>to make it easier for people. But when I go

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<v Speaker 3>to these new schools, you know around pubescent era area,

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<v Speaker 3>like twelve eleven, twelve, thirteen eleven, twelve thirty fourteen. There

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<v Speaker 3>was a physical education, so you were going to the gym,

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<v Speaker 3>you had to take a shower. Some schools you had

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<v Speaker 3>to take a shower. Some girls had bras, some didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know anybody, and I was always the stranger,

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<v Speaker 3>very poor, so I got made fun of because of

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<v Speaker 3>my clothes and things like this. So I was internalized everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So because I love to sing all the time, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just what I love to do growing up, I would

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<v Speaker 3>wait until all the girls were done. I'd hide in

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom and pretend I was peeing, and when I

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<v Speaker 3>could hear their voices kind of leave. I did this

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<v Speaker 3>in all the schools, and I'd wait until I could

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<v Speaker 3>hear them all gone. And I would never shower, but

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<v Speaker 3>I would just change out of my gym and I

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<v Speaker 3>would sing alone. Because it's all in the old fifties

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<v Speaker 3>and sixties schools in America, they'd never been rebuilt. The

0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.479
<v Speaker 3>fancy white people's schools are like totally fancy, but all

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<v Speaker 3>the public schools when the olden times are still there

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<v Speaker 3>rotting away, but they were all tiled.

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<v Speaker 2>So the reaver acoustics are amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So so for singing karaoke, it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was like that. It was like going to

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<v Speaker 3>the Yeah, there's other people there, but I didn't mind

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<v Speaker 3>because everyone's there to sing there. They got their song,

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<v Speaker 3>they put their their song in the box and they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to go next. So this is my time and.

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah, taking it so seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>So this time the first time, yes, yeah, whereas now

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<v Speaker 3>slowly slowly, Well, the funny thing is for the next

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<v Speaker 3>two years, I started, you know, inviting different friends when

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<v Speaker 3>I was touring them, inviting different friends to meet me

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<v Speaker 3>at this place whennies to have karaoke part, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just to say hey. Because I had to be on

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<v Speaker 3>tour all the time because my life changed. I was

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<v Speaker 3>always touring, and it was always like different friends meeting,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some would come someone and wouldn't shop at

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<v Speaker 3>different times. I'd arrive in New York back home. One

0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.320
<v Speaker 3>friend took an idea to MTV because she'd always come,

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<v Speaker 3>and she created MTV Karaoke Show with Michael Stipe and

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<v Speaker 3>different people, and then it hit America and then America

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<v Speaker 3>knew what karaoke was.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's your fault. I know you've ruined karaoke.

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<v Speaker 3>But then it was great because more karaoke spots like

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<v Speaker 3>in these village started opening, and then there was one

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<v Speaker 3>around the corner from my house. It was five bucks

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<v Speaker 3>an hour in a private room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you prefer that? Do you prefer it to

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<v Speaker 2>be in private?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? This, well, I'd love to go back to Whinnies,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can't. Like it's just like I said, filled

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<v Speaker 3>with frat guys, singing guns and roses poison Neil Diamond.

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<v Speaker 3>Just that's it and which is great, but no, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do that. And so around the corner

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<v Speaker 3>from my house for my apartment, they opened up one

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<v Speaker 3>in the basement of this place five dollars an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>And I go for happy hours, so for two hours

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<v Speaker 3>four to six. You could get four hours for two sessions,

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<v Speaker 3>so timbug So yeah, I would go there.

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<v Speaker 2>You go for a four hour session? Wow or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just cheap.

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<v Speaker 3>It just got really cheap because at the bar, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to pay for that for this drink, that drink,

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<v Speaker 3>this drink, that drink. If you want to wait for

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<v Speaker 3>your name to come up. So it's like a total blessing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I got taken to this place called Japus,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a Japanese karaoke place on same works, closed down,

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<v Speaker 3>had a camera, can only fit about maybe fifteen people

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<v Speaker 3>in there, very really really good like Japanese food small.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my, what do you call it? Maybe maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>got small Japanese foods but not sushi. Anyway, I got

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<v Speaker 3>invited there life forever because you bring the buzzer. If

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want you to come in, you don't come in. Ah,

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<v Speaker 3>the camera the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and so they kind of look at you on

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<v Speaker 2>the cover and think this person looks.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they can't sing.

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<v Speaker 2>They sing this because a frat guy. This guy's only

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<v Speaker 2>going to sing guns and roses.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not in the interesting. I love that place.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you always get in? They mustn't and they know

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess so well.

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<v Speaker 3>I also knew to go early on. I mean sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>Fridays and Saturdays it'd be pretty packed. They'd let you in,

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<v Speaker 3>but you never sing. You never get a chance to sing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But their selection of music was really great. They always

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<v Speaker 3>had everything. Yeah, I love karaoke. Also, my dad started

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<v Speaker 3>doing covers. I think I'm not sure if I was

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<v Speaker 3>in junior high. I think I was in junior high

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<v Speaker 3>at the Holiday Inn. It's a hotel chain in America,

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<v Speaker 3>and he started doing covers as a job, singing covers

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<v Speaker 3>as a job, and that's what he still.

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<v Speaker 2>Does, because you do sing covers and you record covers

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<v Speaker 2>and release them as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. It used to be very normal, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>that was the of the past. In the past, contemporaries

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<v Speaker 3>covered each other's songs, whether it was there's where they

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<v Speaker 3>wrote it or not. You know, even back from Gershwin,

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<v Speaker 3>even standards and things, everybody always sang a tune the

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<v Speaker 3>same tune. It was different people's take on that tune.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gone. I think that when MTV hit, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that the corporations understood the cash value of new song,

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<v Speaker 3>new song, new hit, new hit. Yeah, and the tradition

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, songwriting kind of diminished and it became

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<v Speaker 3>hip maker USA, MTV.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sure, what was New York like back then?

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<v Speaker 2>When you moved, you mad that.

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<v Speaker 3>Around too, Yeah, So it was it was still still

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<v Speaker 3>my same. I live in my same It's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a squad. I still live in my same room

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<v Speaker 3>that I've had since I'm twenty only forty seven in January.

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<v Speaker 3>To give your perspective, So in the old days, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean still that now. Yeah, I still have. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not my place. I've rented it from my roommate. He's

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<v Speaker 3>been there since the seventies. Wow, so yeah, he Basically

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<v Speaker 3>I would have been on the street if I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>met him, but hun with NYU students. The first time

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<v Speaker 3>I moved up there with my friend from Tennessee, Lily Hawes,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wasn't going to make it, and so thankfully

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<v Speaker 3>he let me, let me, took me in, let me

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<v Speaker 3>live in his spare bedroom. Anyway it was, I got chased,

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:41.239
<v Speaker 3>I got ran after several times, never being caught up

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 3>to you. You know, there was always human feces on

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 3>the sidewalk, a lot of street lights were out, potholes everywhere,

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Rats everywhere. Rats in my room. For about probably ten years,

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 3>I lived with rats because you couldn't keep him out.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone come up through the toilet, Someone coming through the

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<v Speaker 3>bathroom literally coming through the bathroom tile like chew their

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<v Speaker 3>way through the yeah, through the grout, old grout, make

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 3>their way through bash through where.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be sat in the toilet and suddenly they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I never experienced the toilet. No no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>You just knew that's where they were getting in because

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<v Speaker 3>you like, well, there's a hole there, and then you'd

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<v Speaker 3>notice like where the piping was. You'd see like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the tile has been chewed off.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to get because our our flat, our apartment

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 3>is above the boiler room, so it's really hot. So

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<v Speaker 3>in the winter, they would, I guess, find themselves where

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<v Speaker 3>it's warm. Right, it's freezing cold outside, so they would

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<v Speaker 3>if they can't get in the boiler room, they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go through the through the walls to get into

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<v Speaker 3>the building somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, what part of town is this east village?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a city. I think it's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been tough about city. There was an ice cream

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<v Speaker 2>shop Alphabet Scoop, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never called it that in my entire life. Alphabet

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<v Speaker 3>called Lower east Side Village. I've never called it that before.

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Why is it? Why is it called Alphabet.

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<v Speaker 3>Avenue a avenue?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, it's that bit got yeah, And because it

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<v Speaker 2>started to clean.

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<v Speaker 3>Up around Giuliani.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's like two Thynne.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, ninety eight, Yeah, that's when he passed. Basically, my

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 3>neighborhood when I was there was Dominicano, Dominican. And there

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<v Speaker 3>still are, you know, families that have been able to

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<v Speaker 3>stay in the neighborhood, like the car service De Lancey

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<v Speaker 3>d Lancy, car Service d Lanci de Lancy, they're still there.

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<v Speaker 3>But Avenue B. Clinton Street was the sung by Leonard Cohen,

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 3>the music on Clinton's Yo through the evening. So the

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 3>music was Dominicano. So if you lived in that neighborhood

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<v Speaker 3>and you hear Leonard Cohen sing that lyric, it's magic

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 3>because in the summer, you know, you know, you hear

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 3>like this beautiful festive music all through the evening. You know,

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 3>dudes on bicycles at the AM radio with the Dominicano whatever. Awesome.

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Just real family, family, family, family like Grandma's and grandpas

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.679
<v Speaker 3>born in these in these tenement houses, these buildings, you know.

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 3>And then Juliana came in and basically few were affiliated

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:32.159
<v Speaker 3>with anyone who I guess had been incarcerated for possession

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 3>or sale of drugs or whatever. They just did raids

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 3>every night. There was like maybe a few raids. Yeah,

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 3>they just started. You know, I don't know if they're planning.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they just basically just tried to

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 3>get rid of an entire community of people. And it

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.959
<v Speaker 3>was brutal. There were there were these little boys that

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 3>used to hang on the you know, and on the street,

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 3>little little boys, and you know, as they got older,

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 3>they got older, they got older. One of them, a

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 3>few years ago, I ran into him. He was a

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 3>waiter at a restaurant on Avenue B and I couldn't

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 3>believe it, you know, and I asked about his other

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 3>friend in jail, and then their other friend. I remember

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 3>when because they were like five and six when I

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 3>met them, or four four four six when I met them,

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 3>and then you know, i'd seen them like ten, eleven, twelve.

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 3>And I remember when the ten year old got shot

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 3>by the cops in the back, like multiple times. Wasn't

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, he wasn't armed, he was just running. And

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 3>that happened on my street. And that was right around that, Julia, that.

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Was probably ninety nine, and he was ten.

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 3>He was ten nine or ten, I think he was ten, Okay,

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 3>So when that's when you that's because you'd hear my

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 3>friend's on Ludlow like, what it was doing was creating

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 3>a lot of tension within the community in general, because

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 3>you know when they're doing that, when they're putting pressure

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>on these families, you know, you know, it's your family,

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.360
<v Speaker 3>and they're putting pressure on you to give a name

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 3>or to rat someone out, you know, or to get

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 3>more arrests made so that you can then pass the

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 3>law for rent control to be abolished, right, which is

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 3>what he did. Right.

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.400
<v Speaker 2>So, okay, you.

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Got to get rid of everybody first, round them up,

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 3>and then the developers developers began to creep in. But

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 3>first they had to start with infrastructure. They had to

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>start with infrastructure first. So they did the lamp posts,

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 3>the streets, you know, sewer, all this stuff. They had

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 3>to make it, you know, developer friendly.

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Is he loved by New Yorkers or hated by New Yorkers?

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 2>Is he considered a hero or a villain?

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I think he's pretty much hand in hand with with

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 3>those which do not deserve to be spoken name of. Yeah,

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 3>he's pretty much.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. I didn't like that because we don't really overhear,

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>We don't know that much about that, you know.

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 3>We just like I was he became this like, you know,

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 3>he was perfectly strategically inserted during the twin hours.

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Golden I won't even get into it.

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what is that when you left New York?

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>The first time when you went to Portland?

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Was that I went to Portland. No, that was when earlier.

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>That was when I had just I left New York,

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 3>took my my friend from Atlanta and sold me his

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Volkswagen bus. And he was living up in Brooklyn. It

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 3>was actually a late friend of mine who had sold

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 3>it to him. The drummer from Dirt, drummer from Seersucker,

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 3>the drummer from Opa Fox Quartet. His name was Alan Page. Anyway,

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 3>I had bought that Volkswagen bus because I was going

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 3>to go I was going to go down to Tennessee

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 3>to record what would the community think, and then go

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 3>down and start my first tour of the West Coast.

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>And then when I got to Portland, because I had

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 3>a friend who was going to be their roommate, I

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>was going to sell that butt, that Volkswagen bus, and

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I was going to have rent money so I could live, survive,

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>and the bus. You know Peewe's big adventure that Dinosaur. Yeah,

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 3>the right head gasket. Blue. Problems were happening around I'd

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 3>say Louisiana's when the problems started happening. The oil eek

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 3>happened in the bus. Made it to Peter Hermann's Dinosaur

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 3>and there was a lady in an old Lincoln, like

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 3>maybe eighty two Lincoln brown. She had all her shit

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 3>in there. Little kid with all a you know, dirt

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>on his face, she had a black eye. We're in

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 3>a tank top. She was had her hands on the

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 3>wheel and she was crying. And I said, look because

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 3>somebody from LA came to pick me up.

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 3>It took a while, and I said, look the titles

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 3>in here, here's the keys. I'm sorry I got a run,

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 3>but if you want to try to do something with that.

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 3>And I should have done more for her, but I

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 3>just had to go. But made it to my show

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 3>at this whatever it's Silver Lake called the Baseland. That's

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 3>her first show in LA. There's a picture on what

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the community think of me holding the beer the dance floor.

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 3>That was either after I played or right before I played.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 3>I made it to the venue with my friend from

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 3>France and Lore who's in her musical group is called

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Appalooza from Paris, and she was on that trip with

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 3>me from New York. She said she could drive. What

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 3>she meant was sure, I could drive, but she's never

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>driven a car in her line. She's especially not a sick.

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>She just figured I will be able to do that.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I'll drive.

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, I'll I can drive.

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's different, isn't It says I can drive, rather.

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Than I do not know how. But she did not

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>know how.

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll do that. I'll make you a sick.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I can drive, yeah right. I can make you a suit.

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, make you a suit. Surely that's not the tone,

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>but you're after. But it's amazing that you made it

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to the show.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was great. I made it the show, made

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 3>it to Portland. That was the last show. And then, yeah,

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have any money, didn't have it, went on

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 3>a million you know, job interview type things, didn't have

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>great a tenth grade education. So that's why it was

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 3>difficult in New York.

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Have you had any really bad jobs?

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Every job I've had have been That's why I don't

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 3>understand people who just can't be bothered to work. I

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 3>just I can't be bothered to hear that. Yeah, I

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>just you know, I have always been doesn't matter if

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm cleaning houses or nanny or whatever I'm doing. I've

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 3>always had moppy floors whatever it is that I've had

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 3>to do, you know, without taking my clothes off. I

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I've been so like, you know, so thankful, you know, yeah,

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>to take care of myself.

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you live in Miami now?

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I do. I moved there in two thousand and two,

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two or two thousand.

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 2>And three, okay, quite a while ago.

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Have my little room in New York, right, but I

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>uh my best frien from high school in Atlanta, she

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>moved to Miami to go to university. I moved to

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 3>New York to get away from the Droit, the Heroin

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.959
<v Speaker 3>in Atlanta at the time. Little did I know, like

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 3>the best place.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>You got you can get it there as well, exactly for.

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Like a tenth of the price and like full potency

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 3>because I haven't been chopped up yet and sit down south.

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 3>But little did I know that it like was even

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 3>more gruesome in New York. But yeah, Miami, I left

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 3>so I'd visit her all the time when she had

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 3>her She has three kids, but her eldest is about

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 3>to graduate college. So when the baby, when she was

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a baby, my goddaughter, I would go visit her Miami.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 3>And after years of visiting her Miami, I was like this,

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I should just move here, like cost good money to

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.479
<v Speaker 3>take take a flight home from tour or drive home

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 3>from tour, and the sagavite in Miami when I just

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 3>make a choice. And she turned out she wanted to

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 3>sell her apartment.

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So what is Miami like. I've got two preconceptions. One

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>is it's I've a full of retired people, but I

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>might be with Florida.

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 3>It was in general because of the tax situation, a

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of elderly moved to Florida. The difference between Miami

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 3>and the rest of Florida is that Miami is completely

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent like Manhattan after nuclear war. It's minimized

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 3>in size and length.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you got water on both.

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Sides, you know, like Manhattan Island. You know, you get

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 3>every demographic, every nationality.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's really liberal. It's like a really liberal place.

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Say liberal, okay, I'd say that it's you got a

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 3>lot of like you know posts, you got a lot

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of post Cold War Cubans you know, turned Republican, you

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 3>know Anti, you know, not into not into castor. You've

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 3>got a lot of like so it's it's Miami's blue

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 3>blue city, like you know, liberal, but you've got a

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 3>lot of you know, Florida is like as red as

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 3>they come. Like it's tricky.

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>My other preconception about Florida always lies.

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Basically, I could put it to you that way, Like

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Bush never won either of those elections because Florida said

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 3>they did. He did. Yes, Yeah, it's like lie life central.

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, is that that must be? Is that a

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>weird place to live?

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, you think about all those retired people, people that retire,

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 3>can retire, you know, they're part of a system. People

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 3>that are ingrained in the system. You know, they tend

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 3>to they want to keep that system together.

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, you.

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Know, so they all live in that state, sorry, everywhere Arizona.

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, my other, my other kind of thought

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>when I think of Miami, it's the complete opposite and

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the quiet party town right.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's that's the commercial aspect of if anywhere in Florida, Right,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 3>anywhere in Florida has the hotels, the palm trees, the

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 3>beautiful beaches, the nature, the you know, all that stuff.

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 3>So that's just part of like the package of Florida.

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 3>But because Miami has maybe that so close to South America,

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, International Airport, You've got people from all over

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 3>the place, I think that it has like this, it's

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 3>not attached to the rest of America by if you

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 3>go and I think maybe it's changed since I moved there,

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 3>But I feel like if you go forty five minutes north,

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, you really leave South America. You leave you

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 3>leave Manhattan. If you go north, like if you go

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 3>to you know, Rochester, right, if you leave Manhattan, you

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 3>you're back in America. You leave Manhattan, you're back in America.

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 3>If you leave Miami, you're back in America. Right. So

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.919
<v Speaker 3>that's why I love Miami, because it's like Manhattan after

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>nucleue War. It's like it's it's blasted out all the

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 3>dirty Hudson and the you know, the river and the

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>East River made it all clean. It's like this ocean,

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 3>ocean negative you know, negative ions wind. You know, it's

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and it's subtropical. So you've got like in my apartment,

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 3>in my conda, in the you know, the common area,

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>there's mangoes growing on the tree, there's bananas growing on

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 3>the tree, orchids growing like it's just birds of paradise

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.919
<v Speaker 3>growing all kinds of beautiful jasmine bugin villa. So it's

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 3>really like a it has like a paradise. You know,

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 3>you got the wildlife. You got the lizards and the

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 3>the parakeets, those green parakeets, you got the egrids, all

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.919
<v Speaker 3>the wildlife, the manatee. Like every day you can see

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff. You're riding your bike on the on

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.240
<v Speaker 3>the boardwalk and around by the marina, you can see

0:36:55.920 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 3>all this wildlife every day. Whereas the rest of floor

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 3>you can too, and there's really beautiful parts. But it's

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 3>the multicultural aspect that I feel most comfortable. And I

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 3>don't feel comfortable when everybody is white. I feel uncomfortable.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I feel exactly the same. Sorry, it's the thing with.

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Because you've got to that you know something, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be something wrong with me in five minutes of talking

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<v Speaker 3>to these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah she's a weirdo. Yeah, you know, I feel that

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<v Speaker 2>with being in London because I'm starting to get a

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<v Speaker 2>bit beaten down by London the pace of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hurry, hurry, hurry. Yeah you got to hurry too,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're on your bike and flip flops.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Stressed out man in the whole foods. But it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like she's hot. Yeah, you just really there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>complain about there.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is when you live in a big city,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, where would you move to?

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<v Speaker 3>Hitting there? So it's getting worse and worse like it

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<v Speaker 3>is everywhere. So where would I move? Like? I love?

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<v Speaker 3>I love Africa in general. I've only been to the

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<v Speaker 3>north in the south, but I love Australia in in

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<v Speaker 3>outside of big cities. I love the nature. I love

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<v Speaker 3>expansive nature, places that have like a sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>dry or tropical climate. I love. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 3>where i'd move.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a very good British accent.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, thank you? Are you sure? Have I gone

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<v Speaker 3>to Australia?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're You're going to Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Australia, but is it that I want to do that?

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<v Speaker 4>There no no back from Australia going into London.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm saying in a British accent, raspberry ripple, why

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<v Speaker 2>did you come up with that word? Of all words?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great word.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a good one? Good word?

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<v Speaker 4>Raspberry ripple, bloody, how oh my god, I love fly

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<v Speaker 4>lovely in it darling.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I heard an expression the other day. Let's go

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<v Speaker 3>from Atlanta said see more meat on the end of

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<v Speaker 3>a butcher's pencil.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's a British thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Love.

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<v Speaker 2>It was this guy, a British guy, who said.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse meat, you've seen more meat on a butcher's pencil. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's right. Yeah, it's not saying in England. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>English saying. It's an English saying. Does that mean someone's

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<v Speaker 3>fat or skinny? It means skinny, right, yeah. Yeah. Basically

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<v Speaker 3>say more meat on a butcher's pencil, on the tip

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<v Speaker 3>of a butcher's or just on a butcher.

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<v Speaker 2>On on the tip of it. It might be tip

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it is, yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>It keeps calling. Do you hear her ringing the doorb

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<v Speaker 3>Is that our time? Yeah? She's done it like four times.

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<v Speaker 2>That does that mean you stop before we stop? I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you, yeah, some very quick you're like

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen questions. I've just literally only got twenty five more things.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to a thing in the magazine, our magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>which we don't do anymore. But it was cool. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like a quick fire questionnaire, right I want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you a few questions off it. That's okay? Who

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<v Speaker 2>would play you in a film of your life? Who

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<v Speaker 2>would like to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Stelish Nobyl Julian Schnabel's daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Nope, we'll just move on. We've not got time

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<v Speaker 2>for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Or or the girl from One Food to Kill a

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<v Speaker 3>marking Bird.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could only eat one food for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of your life, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 3>My gosh, oh man, that's that's a bummer.

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ship, isn't it's a ship.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of corn because you can make ship out

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 3>of it, you know. I think of potatoes. You can

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 3>make shit out of it. Bread you can make shit

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<v Speaker 3>out of it. But you can't have anything else to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you've just got this one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, my gosh, oh my gosh, give me

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<v Speaker 3>one moment. I guess avocado, long time. I guess. I

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 3>want to see that every for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very fashionable right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Super Food the film you can quote the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Of rais in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked Matt de Marco that question.

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<v Speaker 3>It was is funny. Yeah, sorry, Yeah, bring that taller hat.

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<v Speaker 3>They got more Ning Candle. I love him so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be taking these huggies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. What do you think is that people's biggest misconception

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>about you? That's quite a serious one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just that I'm crazy, That's like the biggest one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you think is crazy to me?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when I was younger and internalized a lot, and

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.359
<v Speaker 3>I think people who are shy did internalize a lot.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is for a reason.

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 3>For good reason, they've learned that they can't trust people.

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 3>I think that there's a reason that, you know, my

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 3>behavior didn't suit us, because most people have always been

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<v Speaker 3>part of a clique or you know, a group of

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 3>a neighborhood or a family unit. So they they they

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 3>assure themselves with their type of behavior they hang out with.

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<v Speaker 2>So and the problem is if you're especially if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on your own, if you're shy, a lot of time

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>people think that's considered rude. Some people think that mistake

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<v Speaker 2>shyness for rude.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes in America, you're a target, right, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 3>a female musician by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, final one. The doorbell just rang again. Well it's

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<v Speaker 2>your hidden talent?

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<v Speaker 3>Which one.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Have you got? Multiple?

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It used to be really good at like embroidery. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what do you call it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like cross stitching, Yeah.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Cross stitching and knitting and basketball. You can check out

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 3>on Manhattan Video. There's a part where you'll see that

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<v Speaker 3>I do alley oop from behind you know what, it

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>goes in. But that was the second shot because the

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 3>first one he didn't get so he did two shots

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 3>of it. I got in both. But he still loved basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm not very good anymore. After I had a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>My body like is like it's I'm not connected together anymore. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but uh, what's another talent? Hidden talent? I can imitate

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<v Speaker 3>most anybody at.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people great British accents.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you if I have five more minutes or something,

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<v Speaker 3>I can imitate you, even with like songs and stuff. Okay,

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 3>it's not hidden from my friends, my friends. No, I

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 3>can make really good meals out of leftovers. And you'll

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 3>think that like it's from like a recipe. It's a

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 3>good talent. And then what else, what else? What else?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, that's all hidden talent.

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<v Speaker 2>That gonna kick the door and.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't I would love to see that, all right, Thank you,

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