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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstar, that's

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Kilgaraff, and we're about to take you on an

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<v Speaker 1>emotional journey of the Soul. I love that it just

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the podcast Soul. It's located in your ears, in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your ear drum, the long Dark tea time of the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast Soule.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you had something to shell me?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Hi, okay, Hi, I got to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, the thing I was going to show you

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<v Speaker 1>is so in episode five thirty three and Exercise and Frustration,

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<v Speaker 1>I told a story that featured many many chin strap beards, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was about Elizabeth Packard, who was the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who was institutionalizab her husband sent her to an insane

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<v Speaker 1>asylum and thenk she got out, fought for everybody's rights.

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<v Speaker 1>But talking about her husband, it was this man, Theodopolis Packard.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're truly the most proud of that one.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty great in the moment, but we were really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying his chin strap beard. They also came up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Henderson Lewelling story where the Quaker sex cult story,

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<v Speaker 1>though I recently told they've just been around.

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<v Speaker 2>Us recently, you've been sprinkling some neck beard into these

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<v Speaker 2>stories here and there.

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<v Speaker 4>And the listeners have responded.

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<v Speaker 3>Did we get chin strap hate mail?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but no, it was essentially just people in the

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<v Speaker 1>comments section talking about it, so basically. Jenny Scraham on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram says, it looks like John c Riley is dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up and doing a bit, which is very true, dressed up,

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<v Speaker 1>but just in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Bottom half of the beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jalisa on Instagram says the chin strap beard was

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as I imagine. Thank you? What in the

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<v Speaker 1>hell's be says? How is this episode not called Beard's abound?

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<v Speaker 1>Great question? Baseball Girl two forty seven says I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to see that chin strap beard to really get that story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrifying. It's like, is that worse or a mullet worse?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an old timey mullet party in the front.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is worse though, because this makes no

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn sense that.

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<v Speaker 4>Chin is bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they can eat soup, and I bet there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of soup going around then, and Stew's

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<v Speaker 2>and Stew's and porridges, which is so hard to do when.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a beard.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard my husband says, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just love that people got into that as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so then it gave me this idea. Okay, when you

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<v Speaker 1>gave me the assignment of watching the drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh no, are you're gonna make me grow a

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<v Speaker 3>neck beard?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? And you have to do it in one week.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give you the assignment of you watch

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<v Speaker 1>a movie called Witness, which has so many neckbirds in

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<v Speaker 1>it you wouldn't believe it. Okay, and then we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Hairs Ford Kelly McGillis Lucas Haas. Harrison Ford goes undercover

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<v Speaker 1>in an Amish settlement.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know this.

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<v Speaker 3>What do they call themselves?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 3>Here's it from?

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<v Speaker 4>It's from like eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Lucas Haas is a little boy.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the best child actor.

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<v Speaker 3>I had the biggest crush on him.

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<v Speaker 1>He is so good legend. Yeah, he's so good in

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<v Speaker 1>this movie, Like it's so real. Okay, I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to really.

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<v Speaker 2>Should I text Vince and see if I've already seen

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<v Speaker 2>it and just totally forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like you if I said, Harrison Ford

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<v Speaker 1>goes undercover with the Amish you would have gone, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that. I haven't seen it also, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>very much tied to So Witness is your assignment just

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<v Speaker 1>in honor of the chinz drop Beard got it. But

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<v Speaker 1>then also after that we might do a Harrison Ford

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<v Speaker 1>assignment of I must have you watch.

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<v Speaker 2>The Fugitive, Right, My assignment for you is you've tanted

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<v Speaker 2>to fake beard and try and eat some stew with

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<v Speaker 2>it on.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm like, wait, that's not a here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is watch a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, witness and I wrote nineteen eighty nine? Why did

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need this? Was I?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's eighty five eighty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm changing it so I don't watch the wrong one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't watch the one from eighty eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Witnesses so dirty, dude, that is like a made for Cinemax.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had a lot of fun watching the drama

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<v Speaker 1>and then being like, I'm going to make up an

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<v Speaker 1>opinion about this and we're going to discuss it on

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<v Speaker 1>the fan call.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do it. Hell yeah, Okay, great, it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I love assigning each other. It'scite to watch assignment signing

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<v Speaker 2>each other as signments.

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<v Speaker 1>I was provided some information just to convince you more.

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<v Speaker 1>Witness has ninety two percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that I'll watch it because you know how I

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<v Speaker 3>live by the RT rating.

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<v Speaker 4>You will only that's all I ever talked about, is

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<v Speaker 4>this RT approved?

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia's constantly say what did Artie say about this?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I got to check into my RT.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So it's going to do a solo.

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<v Speaker 4>It's my solo story. I saw a TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I need a T shirt that said I saw TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting into an era where experts are finally speaking

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney Sweeney to get here and perform and speak publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to talk about peptides.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I will because I'm the expert at peptide.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the copper peptides are what you want these share

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<v Speaker 1>just found out about that. But it's basically like there's

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people come forward to talk about stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I find that on TikTok, I'm finding so many

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<v Speaker 1>more people who are the source of the information. The

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<v Speaker 1>researchers themselves, the authors themselves, the educative journalist exactly, all

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<v Speaker 1>those people that are now the ones telling the story,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love. So I don't know if this person

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<v Speaker 1>is any of those things, but they're the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>I learned about this story I'm about to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>and they inspired me to want to tell the story

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a TikTok from a woman named Mary Kate Teski.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's her name on TikTok if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go follow her. This is how I first found out

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<v Speaker 1>about this story.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if you are listening to this the day this

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<v Speaker 1>episode comes out, which is June twenty fifth, twenty twenty six, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>your first day of listener, I want you to know

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<v Speaker 1>today's one hundred and fiftieth anniversary of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most infamous battles in American history. The Battle of Little Bighorn,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as Custer's Last Stand Okay, On this day

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy six, Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer and

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<v Speaker 1>his men were wiped out by Lakota, Northern Cheyenne, and

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<v Speaker 1>Arapahoe warriors who are under the command of legendary Native

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<v Speaker 1>leaders like Crazy Horse and Sitting Bowl. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>history lesson we got about this battle presents Custer as

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of noble martyr to our expanding nation and

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<v Speaker 1>completely ignores the Native American experience and perspective and version

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. But that changed around two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>five when Montana's tribal colleges began to spearhead a push

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<v Speaker 1>to preserve the state's native histories and storytelling. And so

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<v Speaker 1>they gather a group of Northern Cheyenne storytellers in Billings, Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>so that they can share their oral history of the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle of Little Bighorn, which the Cheyenne and other Plains

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<v Speaker 1>tribes actually called the Battle of the Greasy Grass. So

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<v Speaker 1>from many people outside the Cheyenne community they will be

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<v Speaker 1>hearing for the first time that day the truth about

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, and what those storytellers in Billings describe ends

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<v Speaker 1>up capturing headlines across the country because for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time we hear about the Cheyenne warrior responsible for customs death.

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<v Speaker 1>So today, in honor of the one hundred and fiftieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you the story of that warrior.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Buffalo Calf Road Woman.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Our sources for today's story are articles from the Independent

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<v Speaker 1>Record and the Billings Gazette archives and the work of

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<v Speaker 1>writers Rosemary and Joseph Aganito, and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>sources are in our show notes. Okay, so everything in

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be very condensed and very like

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<v Speaker 1>our version of things. Yeah, this is the Karen Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia version of things called my favorite Murder, no Offense,

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<v Speaker 1>Maaron mclash and my brilliant researcher.

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<v Speaker 4>But to tell stories like this, it's like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Will assume people know as little as I do about

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<v Speaker 1>American history, about Native American history, about all these things

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<v Speaker 1>that are really important that I just feel fully uneducated about.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the eighteen hundreds, in America, the Cheyenne are

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful nation spread across the Great Plains with a

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<v Speaker 1>population in the thousands. They are a vibrant, horse centric

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<v Speaker 1>culture with a highly organized military system. And while Cheyenne

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<v Speaker 1>warrior culture is largely associated with men, gender norms are

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<v Speaker 1>not cut and dried with this tribe. Author's Rosemary and

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph and Gando write about the Cheyenne quote. We have

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<v Speaker 1>numerous accounts of women taking up weapons and risking their

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<v Speaker 1>lives when attacked. Women were adept at using a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of weapons, including the gun end quote. So by the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forties, what's going on in the United States is

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<v Speaker 1>that we are aggressively expanding under the banner of manifest destiny,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically the belief that white Americans are ordained

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<v Speaker 1>by God to spread across the North American continent and

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<v Speaker 1>to take whatever they want. Essentially, so, while the Cheyenne

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<v Speaker 1>have long had to defend themselves against rival tribes, the

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<v Speaker 1>defense is now needed to fight the encroachment of white

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<v Speaker 1>settlers and the army. So as tensions ramp up, some

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<v Speaker 1>Chyan leaders seek peace with the United States. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chyenne nation is broadly divided into Northern and Southern Cheyenne,

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<v Speaker 1>so Buffalo Calf Road woman is born into the Northern

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<v Speaker 1>Cheyenne tribe in what is now Montana. Her birth year

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<v Speaker 1>is believed to be eighteen forty four. But unfortunately we

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<v Speaker 1>have almost no personal details about Buffalo Calf Road Woman

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<v Speaker 1>or her life because Cheyenne oral history is heavily disrupted

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<v Speaker 1>by forced assimilation onto reservations and into places like Native

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<v Speaker 1>American boarding schools, which that story also needs to be told,

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<v Speaker 1>And I have been trying to work out a story

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Marin and I have for literally years to

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<v Speaker 1>get it told correctly concisely. It's so expansive, it's so horrific,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's colonization. It's basically, how do you tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of colonization in this country? So what we do

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<v Speaker 1>know about the life of Buffalo Calf Road Woman is

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<v Speaker 1>that her childhood is shaped by an ever escalating tension

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<v Speaker 1>with these white pioneers in the US military. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, when she's about seven years old, the Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of Fort Laramie is signed in Wyoming, so it formally

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<v Speaker 1>recognizes a large stretch of the Great Plains as belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to seven different tribes that include the Cheyenne. But just

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<v Speaker 1>a few years after that signing, in eighteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>gold is discovered in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, and

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<v Speaker 1>so white miners flood the area in what's now remembered

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<v Speaker 1>as the Pike's Peak Gold Rush. So, even though this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be a protected land, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>does nothing to stop them. Then, in eighteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>the betrayal multiplies when the US signs a new treaty

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<v Speaker 1>that shrinks Cheyenne territory down to a thirteenth roughly a

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth of its previous size, so that it can open

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<v Speaker 1>more land to white settlement and mining operations. Many Cheyenne

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<v Speaker 1>simply refuse to comply, continuing to hunt and live on

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<v Speaker 1>land that is now suddenly declared off limits to them,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they have lived there for literally thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Calf Road woman is around fifteen years old when

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<v Speaker 1>all of this starts taking place. She's coming of age

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<v Speaker 1>as this violence begins to intensify across the plains, and,

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<v Speaker 1>as writer Catherine S. Gardner puts it, quote, she never

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<v Speaker 1>experienced the Chyenne life of her elders. From birth until

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<v Speaker 1>her death, her tribe and culture were continuously under threat

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<v Speaker 1>of extermination, and it's kind of fascinating because she has

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll come up a little bit later, but she

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<v Speaker 1>has a brother, and imagining the life of a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman who absolutely had to know how to fight, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>had to be good at it, and in their culture,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a militaristic culture, that was a big thing

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chyenne. I just can't imagine that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely go get right into the training and the fray

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. She's a teenager watching her people being massacre. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in start contrast to Buffalo calf Road Woman's story and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we barely know anything about it, we

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot about the early life of George Armstrong Custer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in Ohio in eighteen thirty nine, just

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<v Speaker 1>a few years before Buffalo calf Road Woman was born.

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<v Speaker 1>Custer is largely raised in Michigan. He develops an early

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<v Speaker 1>knack for getting into trouble. He does very badly in school.

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<v Speaker 1>He graduates last in his class at West Point in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 5>Last.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking nut so that he's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous like military entities at this time and he was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst student in his class in eighteen sixty one,

0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:48.040
<v Speaker 1>he had an unbelievable seven hundred and twenty six demerits Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess is like, you're in trouble. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>that many times. But the Civil War starts the same

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<v Speaker 1>year that he graduates, so the US Army is desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to fill ranks, and Custer quickly becomes an officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But his blatant disobedience is what helps him arguably rise

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Through the ranks.

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<v Speaker 1>He shoots up the chain of command while in his

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties and becomes the subject of glowing Union newspaper coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>earning him the nickname the Boy General, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>that reputation is earned. Custer is known for charging straight

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<v Speaker 1>into battle and relentlessly pushing his men while they're under fire,

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<v Speaker 1>with he himself often writing in the front of the

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<v Speaker 1>cavalry instead of the back. He is seemingly unfazed by

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<v Speaker 1>the threat of death. Any of that sound familiar to

0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 1>a certain personality type that.

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<v Speaker 4>You've heard of over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Narcissists, sociopath socupath Right, Yep, he's just like no rules

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<v Speaker 1>apply to me. Yeah, I do what I want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And Oh, it's something horribly dangerous. Let's all go over there,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. But he's also very smart, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>keenly aware of the power of self mythology, so his

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<v Speaker 1>public image is very calculated. Time Magazine points out quote

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<v Speaker 1>Custer ghost wrote newspaper dispatches in which he pretended to

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<v Speaker 1>be a correspondent and inflated his own roles in battles

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<v Speaker 1>and military exploits.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like he left comments in his own section. Yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I love this.

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<v Speaker 4>He's so brave, what a great leader. He's also very flashy.

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<v Speaker 1>He perfumes his flowing blonde hair with cinnamon oil, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wears a custom blue velveteen jacket and a wide

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<v Speaker 1>brimmed hat and a bright red tie into battle. None

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<v Speaker 1>of those are standard issue. That was Whim's the call

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<v Speaker 1>his costume. Custer clearly wants to stand out.

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<v Speaker 4>It works.

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<v Speaker 1>He's famous before the war is through. So meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 1>situation on the plains between the Chyenne and the United

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<v Speaker 1>States remains volatile. In November of eighteen sixty four, these

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<v Speaker 1>tensions boil over in a horrific way when an Army

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<v Speaker 1>colonel named John Shivington approaches a Cheyenne and a rapa

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<v Speaker 1>Hoe camp at Sand Creek in eastern Colorado. There's about

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred people at this camp and it's led by

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<v Speaker 1>Southern Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle, who's repeatedly sought peace with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. So this is one of the many

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<v Speaker 1>tribal leaders of the Native people who constantly were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we let's agree that, you know, let's do this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>divide up this land. There's plenty of it. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>here a long time, and every single time it'd be like, sure, sure, here's.

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<v Speaker 4>Some pox filled blankets.

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<v Speaker 3>Massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to the point where at this camp there's a

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<v Speaker 1>white flag and an American flag flying. But Colorado's then

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<v Speaker 1>Governor John Evans does not seem to care. He wants

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<v Speaker 1>to chyend removed from this area. So Shivington and some

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred volunteer soldiers attack the camp and they kill

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<v Speaker 1>around one hundred and fifty people, and most of them

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<v Speaker 1>are women and children. The survivors are traumatized by memories

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<v Speaker 1>of their loved ones being mutilated in front of them.

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<v Speaker 1>News of the massacre spreads quickly across the plains, provoking fear, despair,

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<v Speaker 1>and the end of whatever hope was left that the

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<v Speaker 1>US could be trusted by the Cheyenne and the Native people,

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<v Speaker 1>and even some white Americans are outraged at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Shivington ends up resigning in disgrace. Still, neither he

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<v Speaker 1>nor any of his men are criminally prosecuted for the

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<v Speaker 1>massacre at Sand Creek. Now it's eighteen sixty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>Confederacy has been defeated. The Civil War comes to an end,

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<v Speaker 1>so a now twenty five year old Custer is sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the frontier. He swaps his blue velveteen for buckskins,

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<v Speaker 1>which again are not standard issue. So he's got his

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<v Speaker 1>new costume, his new personality, and his next assignment is

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<v Speaker 1>to help force the planes tribes onto US designated reservations.

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<v Speaker 1>These are very difficult campaigns for the United States. They

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<v Speaker 1>are usually very much outmatched by the Native warriors. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty seven, Custard ditches his post to visit

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<v Speaker 1>his wife in Kansas, which results in a court martial,

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<v Speaker 1>his suspension from rank, and the loss of his paycheck

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<v Speaker 1>for a year. Despite his insubordination, though the US Army

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<v Speaker 1>is convinced that they need someone as aggress of his

0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Custer to fight against these resisting planes tribes, so less

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<v Speaker 1>than a year after being court martialed, he's reinstated, and

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<v Speaker 1>the newspapers refer to it as quote Custer's luck. The

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<v Speaker 1>system is beyond rigged. So the next year, in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, the now twenty nine year old Custer is

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<v Speaker 1>brought to Black Kettle's village, now sitting on the Washida

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<v Speaker 1>River in modern Oklahoma. Four years after the Sand Creek massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>Black Kettle is still trying to broke her peace with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, but the US military increasingly classifies any

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<v Speaker 1>Native communities living outside the reservations to be quote hostile adversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>So Custer's men carry out another brutal attack. They killed

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of Native people, including Black Kettle himself. They killed

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<v Speaker 1>the chief, hundreds of horses are slaughtered, and lodges are

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<v Speaker 1>burned to the ground. The news of these attacks again

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<v Speaker 1>spread rapidly across the plains, and again even among white settlers.

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<v Speaker 1>The brutality and violence of this attack instantly makes Custer

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<v Speaker 1>a controversial leader, but it also cements him as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the United states most well known so called quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote Indian fighters. Around the same time, in eighteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>a second Treaty of Fort Laramie is signed. The treaties

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<v Speaker 1>have the same name because they're signed at Fort Laramie

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<v Speaker 1>at both times. But this treaty establishes the Great Sioux

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<v Speaker 1>Reservation and recognizes the Black Hills in the Dakota Territory

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<v Speaker 1>as belonging to the Lakota. But the same situation plays

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<v Speaker 1>out here like it did before. In eighteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>gold is discovered in the Black Hills, white miners come

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<v Speaker 1>flooding in. The US Army, for its part, sends Custer

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate the reports of gold. He confirms them, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that leads the US government to try to purchase

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Hills back from the Lakota. Can imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>Lakota say no, which begins to fuel tensions with the US,

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<v Speaker 1>but then strengthens resistance among the plains tribes. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakota, the Arapaho, and the Chyenne. So the US

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<v Speaker 1>seizes the Black Hills from the Lakota in eighteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and just fyi. A century later in nineteen eighty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court rules this seizure was unjust and they awarded

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<v Speaker 1>the Sioux Nation monetary compensation, but the Sioux Nation refused

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<v Speaker 1>to take the money, insisting they just want the land back.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The fight to return this land continues to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed that land is now worth more than a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. By eighteen seventy six, the conflict between the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Army and a coalition of Northern Cheyenne, Arapahoe,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lakota warriors has boiled over into the Great Sioux War.

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo calf Road Woman is now in her early thirties

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<v Speaker 1>and she's living in the Rosebud Valley of Montana along

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<v Speaker 1>Rosebud Creek with Lakota and to Rapahoe allies. And here

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<v Speaker 1>in June of eighteen seventy six, a US general named

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<v Speaker 1>George Crook arrives outside of her camp with thirteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of his men, and the Native coalition fights them in

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<v Speaker 1>a battle that lasts several hours. According to a tribal

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<v Speaker 1>oral tradition, Buffalo Calf Road Woman's brother, a warrior named

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<v Speaker 1>comes in Sight, is among the thousands of Native men

0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 1>who charge the US soldiers. But during the fighting, Comes

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<v Speaker 1>in Sight is knocked off his horse and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>trapped under fire. So Essentially, in these battles, if you

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.320
<v Speaker 1>get knocked off your horse, it's basically you're dead because

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.159
<v Speaker 1>someone just comes by and shoots you. So he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. His death is all but insured until his sister,

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Calf Road Woman, jumps onto her horse and charges

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<v Speaker 1>directly into battle. She rides so fast no bullets can

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<v Speaker 1>strike her, and per the oral account, she pulls her

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<v Speaker 1>brother up onto her horse, and she gets him to

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<v Speaker 1>safety Jesus in the middle of a full on war.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, the Native coalition forces the US troops

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<v Speaker 1>to retreat. Today, United States history remembers this event as

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<v Speaker 1>the Battle of the Rosebud, but the Cheyenne remember it

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<v Speaker 1>as the fight where the girl saved her brother. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Calf Road Woman is believed to be the only

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<v Speaker 1>female warrior who rides into this battle. So this Native

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<v Speaker 1>victory is extremely important because just eight days later, Custer

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<v Speaker 1>arrives at another encampment belonging to the same Native coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>but this time they're in the Little Bighorn Valley in

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<v Speaker 1>southeastern Montana, and this time, crucially, Custer does not have

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of troops like reinforcements that General Crook had.

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<v Speaker 4>They have all retreated after the loss at.

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<v Speaker 1>The Battle of the Rosebud, at the fight where the

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<v Speaker 1>girl saved her brother. But on top of that, Custer

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.639
<v Speaker 1>badly underestimates the size of the coalition that he is

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<v Speaker 1>about to attack, and probably the talent of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>on June twenty fifth, eighteen seventy six, Custer and around

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>six hundred soldiers arrived near the Little Big Horn encampment.

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<v Speaker 1>His forces are split into several battalions intended to attack

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<v Speaker 1>the camp from different directions. Custer himself heads north with

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<v Speaker 1>about two hundred men. But what they don't know is

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<v Speaker 1>that word of this impending attack is sprending quickly among

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<v Speaker 1>the tribes. They know it, they have looked at they

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<v Speaker 1>know how to use this land and protect their camps,

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<v Speaker 1>and so immediately they know that it's happening, And thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of warriors rise up and ride into battle, many of

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<v Speaker 1>the same who had just.

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<v Speaker 4>Fought the Battle of the Rosebud days earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The Battle of Little Bighorn is hard fast and totally chaotic.

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>One US battalion attacks, only to immediately retreat after realizing

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>how incredibly outnumbered they are. Then a second battalion retreats

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 1>and so Custer looks around. All his men are leaving,

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>but he makes himself and his two hundred men push

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>forward anyway, and they are completely overwhelmed. In less than

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>an hour, every single soldier riding with Custer is killed,

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 1>including Custer himself.

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Holy shit.

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And because there's no survivors who can report back to

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the army officially what happened, or to newspaper reporters, the

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>historical record around Custer's last moments are very murky, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course then sets the stage for the folk hero

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>treatment that he ends up getting. What we do know

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>is that Custer's body is found among dozens of his

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>men with two bullet wounds, one is in his heart

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and the others in his head. It's not until two

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five in Billings, Montana, when those Northern Chyenn

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>storytellers finally share their oral history of Little Bighorn, that

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 1>we learn what really happened. They say that Colonel Custer

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was shot to death on the ground because he got

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<v Speaker 1>knocked off his horse by a warrior's club, And that

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<v Speaker 1>day they reveal that the same woman who say her

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>brother from certain death in the battle days before is

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the one who knocked Custer off his horse. It's Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>calf Road woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And the oral accounts describe her as being quote out

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<v Speaker 1>in the open during this intense battle. Wasn't like she

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>was off to the side or whatever. She was in

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the fray. And they also confirmed that quote she stayed

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<v Speaker 1>on her horse the entire time.

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So the Battle of Little Bighorn is arguably the most

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>famous Native victory of the Plains Wars and one of

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the most infamous defeats in the US Army's history. The

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Northern Cheyenne say that's the reason they kept the story

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>of Buffalo calf Road Woman a secret for so long.

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>They were afraid that when the Army heard that a

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Cheyenne woman is basically the one who got Custer or killed,

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it would result in even harsher assaults by the Army

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>on their tribes. Yeah, the US still seeks retribution for

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the defeat, and Buffalo calf Road Woman, like many Cheyenne,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>remain under constant pressure from the military to submit to

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>US authority or be killed. In eighteen seventy seven, she

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 1>and her family will be forced onto an Oklahoma reservation.

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>She spends about a year there and during brutal living conditions,

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's belief there she gives birth to her second child.

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Not long after, in eighteen seventy eight, she and her

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:24.120
<v Speaker 1>family join what's known as the Northern Cheyenne Exodus, which

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>was a desperate, defiant, and ultimately successful push led by

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>the Northern Cheyenne chiefs Morning Star and Little Wolf to

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>leave the reservation and return to its Montana homeland. So

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo calf Road Woman is one of the three hundred women, men,

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and children who escape the Oklahoma reservation. They set out

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>on a dangerous, exhausting journey, spanning hundreds of miles. Along

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the way, members of the group are captured by American

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.679
<v Speaker 1>troops or they're killed in skirmishes. Others die of exhaustion

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>or of illness, and Buffalo Calfe Road Woman is among those.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 1>She dies in eighteen seventy nine in her mid thirties,

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 1>likely of dip theory, We're not sure. She's believed to

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>be buried somewhere near present day Miles City, Montana, but

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>her grave has never been identified. It's unclear how many

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 1>members of this group ultimately made it to Montana. Sources

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>suggest it's less than half the original number, so around

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty people. But this exodus puts enough

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>political pressure on the US government that the Northern Cheyenne

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>who do make it to Montana are not forced back

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>to Oklahoma. This is how the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 1>in southeastern Montana is established in eighteen eighty four. And

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, in death, General Custer and Buffalo calf Road

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Woman could not have been treated more differently. Custer is

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the subject of countless history books, biographies, paintings, photographs, yet

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>there isn't a single confirmed portrait of Buffalo calf Read

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Woman to be found, and most of the images that

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you see online of her use either misidentified photos of

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>other Native women or slop ai where it's just slop ai.

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<v Speaker 1>So in February twenty twenty six, the Trump administration issues

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>an executive order calling for a review of signs and

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>exhibits at national parks and monuments that could be seen

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>as critical of the US government. That includes signage at

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the site of the Battle of Little Bighorn. The Washington

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Post reported earlier this year that quote at Little Bighorn

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Battlefield National Monument in Montana exhibit text that described the

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>United States being quote hungry for golden land and breaking

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>promises to Native Americans was ordered changed or removed.

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Just fucking rewrite history. Why don't check.

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>An erase it worked before? Another text describing how US

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>run boarding schools for Indigenous children violently erased cultural identities

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and language was also deemed not to comply with Trump's policy.

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<v Speaker 2>If the facts don't comply with your policy, your fullling

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>was wrong with their fucking policy.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess okay, it's not an option. No, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a choice to say it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, not for fucking people who aren't psychotic.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Northern Chayan leadership is actively opposing this administration's efforts.

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Tribal leaders issued a press release this past February saying, quote,

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>this attempt to change or remove tribal markers and monuments

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>dims the light of the healing and progress we have

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>all made end quote, which is a very generous thing

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to say in the light of Native American progress and

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>how little any government has ever given them or made

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>for them, and you're trying to take that away. And

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>then but that goes too. While there's never been a

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>monument for Buffalo Calf Road, woman. She has always been

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>memorialized by her people, who have carried the story of

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>her courage, her strength, and her valor in two bloody

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>battles for more than a century. When telling Buffalo Calf

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Road Woman's story, a Northern Cheyenne saying is often shared,

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and it says, quote, a nation is not conquered until

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<v Speaker 1>the hearts of its women are on the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>Then it is done, no.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Matter how brave its warriors or how strong its weapons.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Calf Road Woman's heart was never on the ground.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>She stayed on her horse the whole time. And that's

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna do.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, that's what we're going to do tonight.

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 4>We ride. Today, we ride.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's the story of the Cheyenne warrior, the one

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>who defeated Custer.

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<v Speaker 4>Buffalo Calf Road Woman.

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I wish we could have the actual historical story

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>because but it's even more badass, and there's even more

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking incredible things she did.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>But like and other women and like her tribe that

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 3>we just don't know about.

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>And in thinking about that, how many stories have been

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>lost of people just like her because of the annihilation

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>of the genocide of the Native American people in this country.

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It is the gigantic tragedy, the effects of which continue

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<v Speaker 1>to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, well, great job.

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<v Speaker 5>I had never heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could know more. Do you want to

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>make a donation? Definitely, Let's donate to the Native American

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Rights Fund. Here's their quote about themselves. They hold governments accountable.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>They fight to protect Native American rights, resources and life

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>ways through litigation, legal advocacy, and legal expertise. Hell yeah,

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>so we'll give them ten thousand dollars. If you want

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to donate to the Native American Rights Fund, go to

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<v Speaker 1>NARF dot org and give them what you can give them.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing. Well, great job, thank you, excellent solo episode.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, let's do another batch of honking horays, brought

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<v Speaker 2>to you by Henday.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Hendaynday.

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<v Speaker 6>This one it's from Brittany A and she wrote a

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<v Speaker 6>fan cult.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, my ninety seven year old cowboy grandpa and

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>long standing conservative Mormon aunt told me they didn't vote

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<v Speaker 1>for the current administration because of my wife and myself

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>we are married females of ten years.

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<v Speaker 6>And then in.

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<v Speaker 1>Parentheses, it says that's a hoorrayal on its own. Man,

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>they understand that their vote would go against my marriage

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't want any part of that. Hearing this

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>made me feel cared for and heard for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time ever on this side of the family. Keep having

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the hard conversations because sometimes they'll listen.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's Pride month, so the things can happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna cry.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, it's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>This one is from Sierra Bohnenberger. Don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 6>That's an online name on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, I actually got off work early enough to make

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>happy Hour at our local wine bar.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh hashtag tgif.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope she went to TJA that's her local one.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 6>She gets the best wine at tgif.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a Josh cellar it is.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all yellow top to tail yellow. I get four

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 6>cubes of ice and it shouted doctor Pepper. Well, I

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 6>mean like happy hour, happy hours.

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<v Speaker 5>There's nothing like it.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 6>What a reward.

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 5>If you're at happy hour your life is going well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and don't forget you don't have to drink a

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>happy hour you can eat their weird or dirt.

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<v Speaker 5>Totally get those happy hour sliders.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Get in there. It's very similar. But on the other

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>end of the spectrum. This is from Eat Shoots and

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>travels over on Instagram, and they say I paid off

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>my mortgage, Oh my god at forty three by myself.

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm not rich.

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I just saved really hard, literal tears at the bank.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Can you imagine You're just like standing

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>in the bank like it doesn't matter to you. People

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know what this is, but I am absolutely getting myself.

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<v Speaker 5>To a brand new place.

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>This is a life changing experience and I'm going to

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>cry in front of strangers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you better cry at forty three food incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>This is from Taylor on her email.

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<v Speaker 2>My hooray is that my friend and I signed up

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<v Speaker 2>up for water aerobics.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes as three two year olds, Yes, and we love it.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I love the water and was frustrated by the lack

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of swimming in adulthood.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so true.

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's not enough.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I dive in every class and the older ladies are

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>always shocked and slightly offended. But they're sweet and have

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.240
<v Speaker 2>added me to their swim sister's email chain.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, so much shit has talked on an

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 6>email chain.

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<v Speaker 1>Betty you're not going to believe you should have seen

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the way she looked in her three piece suit.

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<v Speaker 5>We talk about books.

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<v Speaker 2>We were nervous to go her friend and her but

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 2>it's now a big highlight of my week and actually

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a decent no impact workout.

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 6>Yes, it's water hell yeah.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Plus I had an excuse to buy bright yellow shower

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 2>sandals with carrots and bunnies on them in Chinatown.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a good pastime, kind of like way

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to fill your time. Yeah, because it's very social, you know,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 1>shoulders and head above water almost the whole time.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 5>It's not going to get sucked up chat chat chat.

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<v Speaker 3>I really love an alt workout routine is my favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm not going to do it right, I love

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<v Speaker 5>it knowing about them.

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to do any of it. But I

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 6>love a pool.

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<v Speaker 3>Loveapool, love a pool.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>This is a FASTI because it's Megan writing in from

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>fan Culton, saying, this morning, I flipped the eggs without

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>bursting the yolks.

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<v Speaker 6>I finally found the perfect oil.

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<v Speaker 5>To heat ratio.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna tell us no, no, totally gatekeeping that,

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<v Speaker 1>but just letting the world know that Megan t had

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<v Speaker 1>her egg victory this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations, Congratulations, I've never done it well. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>Hundai for presenting these honking arrays, and thank you guys

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<v Speaker 2>for writing them in. Please write them in more and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll read them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 6>And also stay sexy, don't get murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>Goodbye, Elvis.

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<v Speaker 2>Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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<v Speaker 2>is Tessa Hughes.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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