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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstar, that's

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Speaker 1: Karen Kilgaraff, and we're about to take you on an

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Speaker 1: emotional journey of the Soul. I love that it just

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Speaker 1: came out of the podcast Soul. It's located in your ears, in.

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Speaker 2: Your ear drum, the long Dark tea time of the

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Speaker 3: Okay, you had something to shell me?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Hi, okay, Hi, I got to do this.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, the thing I was going to show you

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Speaker 1: is so in episode five thirty three and Exercise and Frustration,

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Speaker 1: I told a story that featured many many chin strap beards, right,

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Speaker 1: and it was about Elizabeth Packard, who was the woman

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Speaker 1: who was institutionalizab her husband sent her to an insane

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Speaker 1: asylum and thenk she got out, fought for everybody's rights.

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Speaker 1: But talking about her husband, it was this man, Theodopolis Packard.

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Speaker 1: And you're truly the most proud of that one.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty great.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty great in the moment, but we were really

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Speaker 1: enjoying his chin strap beard. They also came up in

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Speaker 1: the Henderson Lewelling story where the Quaker sex cult story,

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Speaker 1: though I recently told they've just been around.

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Speaker 2: Us recently, you've been sprinkling some neck beard into these

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Speaker 2: stories here and there.

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Speaker 4: And the listeners have responded.

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Speaker 3: Did we get chin strap hate mail?

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Speaker 1: Yes, but no, it was essentially just people in the

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Speaker 1: comments section talking about it, so basically. Jenny Scraham on

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Speaker 1: Instagram says, it looks like John c Riley is dressed

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Speaker 1: up and doing a bit, which is very true, dressed up,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jalisa on Instagram says the chin strap beard was

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Speaker 1: as bad as I imagine. Thank you? What in the

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Speaker 1: hell's be says? How is this episode not called Beard's abound?

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Speaker 1: Great question? Baseball Girl two forty seven says I needed

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Speaker 1: to see that chin strap beard to really get that story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's terrifying. It's like, is that worse or a mullet worse?

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Speaker 1: It's like an old timey mullet party in the front.

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Speaker 1: I think this is worse though, because this makes no

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Speaker 1: goddamn sense that.

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Speaker 4: Chin is bear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they can eat soup, and I bet there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of soup going around then, and Stew's

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Speaker 2: and Stew's and porridges, which is so hard to do when.

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Speaker 3: You have a beard.

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Speaker 4: I've heard my husband says, I.

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Speaker 1: Just love that people got into that as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so then it gave me this idea. Okay, when you

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Speaker 1: gave me the assignment of watching the drama.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh no, are you're gonna make me grow a

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Speaker 3: neck beard?

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Speaker 4: Yes? And you have to do it in one week.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you the assignment of you watch

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Speaker 1: a movie called Witness, which has so many neckbirds in

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Speaker 1: it you wouldn't believe it. Okay, and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that movie.

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Speaker 3: Which one is that?

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Speaker 1: Hairs Ford Kelly McGillis Lucas Haas. Harrison Ford goes undercover

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Speaker 4: I don't know this.

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Speaker 3: What do they call themselves?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 3: Here's it from?

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Speaker 4: It's from like eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Lucas Haas is a little boy.

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Speaker 4: He's the best child actor.

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Speaker 3: I had the biggest crush on him.

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Speaker 1: He is so good legend. Yeah, he's so good in

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Speaker 1: this movie, Like it's so real. Okay, I think you're

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Speaker 1: But I feel like you if I said, Harrison Ford

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Speaker 1: goes undercover with the Amish you would have gone, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've seen that. I haven't seen it also, and that's

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Speaker 1: very much tied to So Witness is your assignment just

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Speaker 2: The Fugitive, Right, My assignment for you is you've tanted

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Speaker 1: No, I'm like, wait, that's not a here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is watch a movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, witness and I wrote nineteen eighty nine? Why did

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Speaker 2: I don't need this? Was I?

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Speaker 4: No, it's eighty five eighty five.

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Speaker 3: I'm changing it so I don't watch the wrong one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't watch the one from eighty eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Witnesses so dirty, dude, that is like a made for Cinemax.

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Speaker 1: But I had a lot of fun watching the drama

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Speaker 3: I'll do it. Hell yeah, Okay, great, it's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's a deal.

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Speaker 2: I love assigning each other. It'scite to watch assignment signing

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Speaker 1: I was provided some information just to convince you more.

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Speaker 1: Witness has ninety two percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Speaker 3: Oh that I'll watch it because you know how I

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Speaker 3: live by the RT rating.

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Speaker 4: It's my solo story. I saw a TikTok.

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Speaker 1: So I find that on TikTok, I'm finding so many

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Speaker 1: So it's a TikTok from a woman named Mary Kate Teski.

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Speaker 1: So that's her name on TikTok if you want to

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Speaker 1: today's one hundred and fiftieth anniversary of one of the

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Speaker 1: most infamous battles in American history. The Battle of Little Bighorn,

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Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy six, Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer and

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Speaker 1: Her name is Buffalo Calf Road Woman.

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Speaker 4: But to tell stories like this, it's like I.

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Speaker 1: So by the eighteen hundreds, in America, the Cheyenne are

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Speaker 1: But his blatant disobedience is what helps him arguably rise

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Speaker 1: Narcissists, sociopath socupath Right, Yep, he's just like no rules

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Speaker 1: as the fight where the girl saved her brother. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Calf Road Woman is believed to be the only

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Speaker 1: female warrior who rides into this battle. So this Native

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00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: victory is extremely important because just eight days later, Custer

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00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: arrives at another encampment belonging to the same Native coalition,

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Speaker 1: but this time they're in the Little Bighorn Valley in

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Speaker 1: southeastern Montana, and this time, crucially, Custer does not have

444
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Speaker 1: the amount of troops like reinforcements that General Crook had.

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Speaker 4: They have all retreated after the loss at.

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Speaker 1: The Battle of the Rosebud, at the fight where the

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Speaker 1: girl saved her brother. But on top of that, Custer

448
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: badly underestimates the size of the coalition that he is

449
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Speaker 1: about to attack, and probably the talent of it. So

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Speaker 1: on June twenty fifth, eighteen seventy six, Custer and around

451
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Speaker 1: six hundred soldiers arrived near the Little Big Horn encampment.

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Speaker 1: His forces are split into several battalions intended to attack

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Speaker 1: the camp from different directions. Custer himself heads north with

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Speaker 1: about two hundred men. But what they don't know is

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Speaker 1: that word of this impending attack is sprending quickly among

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Speaker 1: the tribes. They know it, they have looked at they

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Speaker 1: know how to use this land and protect their camps,

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Speaker 1: and so immediately they know that it's happening, And thousands

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Speaker 1: of warriors rise up and ride into battle, many of

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Speaker 1: the same who had just.

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Speaker 4: Fought the Battle of the Rosebud days earlier.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: The Battle of Little Bighorn is hard fast and totally chaotic.

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Speaker 1: One US battalion attacks, only to immediately retreat after realizing

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Speaker 1: how incredibly outnumbered they are. Then a second battalion retreats

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Speaker 1: and so Custer looks around. All his men are leaving,

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Speaker 1: but he makes himself and his two hundred men push

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Speaker 1: forward anyway, and they are completely overwhelmed. In less than

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Speaker 1: an hour, every single soldier riding with Custer is killed,

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Speaker 1: including Custer himself.

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Speaker 3: Holy shit.

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Speaker 1: And because there's no survivors who can report back to

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Speaker 1: the army officially what happened, or to newspaper reporters, the

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Speaker 1: historical record around Custer's last moments are very murky, which

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Speaker 1: of course then sets the stage for the folk hero

476
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Speaker 1: treatment that he ends up getting. What we do know

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Speaker 1: is that Custer's body is found among dozens of his

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Speaker 1: men with two bullet wounds, one is in his heart

479
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Speaker 1: and the others in his head. It's not until two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five in Billings, Montana, when those Northern Chyenn

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Speaker 1: storytellers finally share their oral history of Little Bighorn, that

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Speaker 1: we learn what really happened. They say that Colonel Custer

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Speaker 1: was shot to death on the ground because he got

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Speaker 1: knocked off his horse by a warrior's club, And that

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Speaker 1: day they reveal that the same woman who say her

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Speaker 1: brother from certain death in the battle days before is

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Speaker 1: the one who knocked Custer off his horse. It's Buffalo

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Speaker 1: calf Road woman.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And the oral accounts describe her as being quote out

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Speaker 1: in the open during this intense battle. Wasn't like she

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Speaker 1: was off to the side or whatever. She was in

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Speaker 1: the fray. And they also confirmed that quote she stayed

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Speaker 1: on her horse the entire time.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So the Battle of Little Bighorn is arguably the most

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Speaker 1: famous Native victory of the Plains Wars and one of

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Speaker 1: the most infamous defeats in the US Army's history. The

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Speaker 1: Northern Cheyenne say that's the reason they kept the story

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Speaker 1: of Buffalo calf Road Woman a secret for so long.

501
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: They were afraid that when the Army heard that a

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00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: Cheyenne woman is basically the one who got Custer or killed,

503
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Speaker 1: it would result in even harsher assaults by the Army

504
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: on their tribes. Yeah, the US still seeks retribution for

505
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: the defeat, and Buffalo calf Road Woman, like many Cheyenne,

506
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: remain under constant pressure from the military to submit to

507
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: US authority or be killed. In eighteen seventy seven, she

508
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: and her family will be forced onto an Oklahoma reservation.

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00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: She spends about a year there and during brutal living conditions,

510
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Speaker 1: and it's belief there she gives birth to her second child.

511
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Speaker 1: Not long after, in eighteen seventy eight, she and her

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Speaker 1: family join what's known as the Northern Cheyenne Exodus, which

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Speaker 1: was a desperate, defiant, and ultimately successful push led by

514
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: the Northern Cheyenne chiefs Morning Star and Little Wolf to

515
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: leave the reservation and return to its Montana homeland. So

516
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: Buffalo calf Road Woman is one of the three hundred women, men,

517
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: and children who escape the Oklahoma reservation. They set out

518
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: on a dangerous, exhausting journey, spanning hundreds of miles. Along

519
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: the way, members of the group are captured by American

520
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: troops or they're killed in skirmishes. Others die of exhaustion

521
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: or of illness, and Buffalo Calfe Road Woman is among those.

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Speaker 1: She dies in eighteen seventy nine in her mid thirties,

523
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: likely of dip theory, We're not sure. She's believed to

524
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: be buried somewhere near present day Miles City, Montana, but

525
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: her grave has never been identified. It's unclear how many

526
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: members of this group ultimately made it to Montana. Sources

527
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: suggest it's less than half the original number, so around

528
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people. But this exodus puts enough

529
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Speaker 1: political pressure on the US government that the Northern Cheyenne

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00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: who do make it to Montana are not forced back

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Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. This is how the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation

532
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: in southeastern Montana is established in eighteen eighty four. And

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00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: of course, in death, General Custer and Buffalo calf Road

534
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Woman could not have been treated more differently. Custer is

535
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: the subject of countless history books, biographies, paintings, photographs, yet

536
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: there isn't a single confirmed portrait of Buffalo calf Read

537
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Woman to be found, and most of the images that

538
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: you see online of her use either misidentified photos of

539
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: other Native women or slop ai where it's just slop ai.

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Speaker 1: So in February twenty twenty six, the Trump administration issues

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Speaker 1: an executive order calling for a review of signs and

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Speaker 1: exhibits at national parks and monuments that could be seen

543
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: as critical of the US government. That includes signage at

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Speaker 1: the site of the Battle of Little Bighorn. The Washington

545
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Post reported earlier this year that quote at Little Bighorn

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Speaker 1: Battlefield National Monument in Montana exhibit text that described the

547
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: United States being quote hungry for golden land and breaking

548
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: promises to Native Americans was ordered changed or removed.

549
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: Just fucking rewrite history. Why don't check.

550
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: An erase it worked before? Another text describing how US

551
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: run boarding schools for Indigenous children violently erased cultural identities

552
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: and language was also deemed not to comply with Trump's policy.

553
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: If the facts don't comply with your policy, your fullling

554
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: was wrong with their fucking policy.

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Speaker 1: I guess okay, it's not an option. No, it's not

556
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: a choice to say it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, not for fucking people who aren't psychotic.

558
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Speaker 1: So the Northern Chayan leadership is actively opposing this administration's efforts.

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Speaker 1: Tribal leaders issued a press release this past February saying, quote,

560
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Speaker 1: this attempt to change or remove tribal markers and monuments

561
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: dims the light of the healing and progress we have

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00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: all made end quote, which is a very generous thing

563
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: to say in the light of Native American progress and

564
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: how little any government has ever given them or made

565
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: for them, and you're trying to take that away. And

566
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Speaker 1: then but that goes too. While there's never been a

567
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: monument for Buffalo Calf Road, woman. She has always been

568
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: memorialized by her people, who have carried the story of

569
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Speaker 1: her courage, her strength, and her valor in two bloody

570
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: battles for more than a century. When telling Buffalo Calf

571
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Road Woman's story, a Northern Cheyenne saying is often shared,

572
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Speaker 1: and it says, quote, a nation is not conquered until

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00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: the hearts of its women are on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Then it is done, no.

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Speaker 1: Matter how brave its warriors or how strong its weapons.

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00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo Calf Road Woman's heart was never on the ground.

577
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: She stayed on her horse the whole time. And that's

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00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's what we're going to do tonight.

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00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: We ride. Today, we ride.

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Speaker 1: And that's the story of the Cheyenne warrior, the one

582
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Speaker 1: who defeated Custer.

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Speaker 4: Buffalo Calf Road Woman.

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00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: Wow, I wish we could have the actual historical story

585
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: because but it's even more badass, and there's even more

586
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: fucking incredible things she did.

587
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: But like and other women and like her tribe that

588
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: we just don't know about.

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: And in thinking about that, how many stories have been

590
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: lost of people just like her because of the annihilation

591
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: of the genocide of the Native American people in this country.

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00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: It is the gigantic tragedy, the effects of which continue

593
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Speaker 1: to this day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well, great job.

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Speaker 5: I had never heard that.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad I did.

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00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: Right, me too.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could know more. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: make a donation? Definitely, Let's donate to the Native American

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Speaker 1: Rights Fund. Here's their quote about themselves. They hold governments accountable.

601
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: They fight to protect Native American rights, resources and life

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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: ways through litigation, legal advocacy, and legal expertise. Hell yeah,

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00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: so we'll give them ten thousand dollars. If you want

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00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: to donate to the Native American Rights Fund, go to

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Speaker 1: NARF dot org and give them what you can give them.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. Well, great job, thank you, excellent solo episode.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, let's do another batch of honking horays, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Henday.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Hendaynday.

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Speaker 6: This one it's from Brittany A and she wrote a

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Speaker 6: fan cult.

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Speaker 1: It says, my ninety seven year old cowboy grandpa and

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00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: long standing conservative Mormon aunt told me they didn't vote

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: for the current administration because of my wife and myself

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Speaker 1: we are married females of ten years.

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Speaker 6: And then in.

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Speaker 1: Parentheses, it says that's a hoorrayal on its own. Man,

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Speaker 1: they understand that their vote would go against my marriage

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Speaker 1: and they didn't want any part of that. Hearing this

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Speaker 1: made me feel cared for and heard for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever on this side of the family. Keep having

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Speaker 1: the hard conversations because sometimes they'll listen.

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Speaker 6: And it's Pride month, so the things can happen.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna cry.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's so beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: This one is from Sierra Bohnenberger. Don't know what that is.

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Speaker 6: That's an online name on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Today, I actually got off work early enough to make

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Speaker 2: happy Hour at our local wine bar.

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Speaker 5: Oh hashtag tgif.

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Speaker 6: I hope she went to TJA that's her local one.

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Speaker 6: She gets the best wine at tgif.

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Speaker 5: They have a Josh cellar it is.

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Speaker 6: It's all yellow top to tail yellow. I get four

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00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 6: cubes of ice and it shouted doctor Pepper. Well, I

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 6: mean like happy hour, happy hours.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing like it.

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 6: What a reward.

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 5: If you're at happy hour your life is going well.

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00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget you don't have to drink a

643
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: happy hour you can eat their weird or dirt.

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00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 5: Totally get those happy hour sliders.

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Speaker 1: Get in there. It's very similar. But on the other

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00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. This is from Eat Shoots and

647
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: travels over on Instagram, and they say I paid off

648
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: my mortgage, Oh my god at forty three by myself.

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00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 6: I'm not rich.

650
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: I just saved really hard, literal tears at the bank.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Can you imagine You're just like standing

652
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: in the bank like it doesn't matter to you. People

653
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: don't know what this is, but I am absolutely getting myself.

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Speaker 5: To a brand new place.

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Speaker 2: This is a life changing experience and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: cry in front of strangers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you better cry at forty three food incredible.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: This is from Taylor on her email.

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Speaker 2: My hooray is that my friend and I signed up

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Speaker 2: up for water aerobics.

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Speaker 5: Yes as three two year olds, Yes, and we love it.

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Speaker 2: I love the water and was frustrated by the lack

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Speaker 2: of swimming in adulthood.

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Speaker 3: That's so true.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's not enough.

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Speaker 2: I dive in every class and the older ladies are

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Speaker 2: always shocked and slightly offended. But they're sweet and have

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Speaker 2: added me to their swim sister's email chain.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, so much shit has talked on an

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Speaker 6: email chain.

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Speaker 1: Betty you're not going to believe you should have seen

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Speaker 1: the way she looked in her three piece suit.

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Speaker 5: We talk about books.

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Speaker 2: We were nervous to go her friend and her but

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Speaker 2: it's now a big highlight of my week and actually

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Speaker 2: a decent no impact workout.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's water hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: Plus I had an excuse to buy bright yellow shower

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Speaker 2: sandals with carrots and bunnies on them in Chinatown.

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Speaker 1: That is such a good pastime, kind of like way

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Speaker 1: to fill your time. Yeah, because it's very social, you know,

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Speaker 1: shoulders and head above water almost the whole time.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to get sucked up chat chat chat.

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Speaker 3: I really love an alt workout routine is my favorite thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to do it right, I love

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Speaker 5: it knowing about them.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to do any of it. But I

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Speaker 6: love a pool.

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Speaker 3: Loveapool, love a pool.

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Speaker 1: This is a FASTI because it's Megan writing in from

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Speaker 1: fan Culton, saying, this morning, I flipped the eggs without

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Speaker 1: bursting the yolks.

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Speaker 6: I finally found the perfect oil.

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Speaker 5: To heat ratio.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell us no, no, totally gatekeeping that,

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Speaker 1: but just letting the world know that Megan t had

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Speaker 1: her egg victory this morning.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, Congratulations, I've never done it well. Thank you to

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Speaker 2: Hundai for presenting these honking arrays, and thank you guys

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Speaker 2: for writing them in. Please write them in more and

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Speaker 2: we'll read them.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: And also stay sexy, don't get murdered.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye, Elvis.

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Speaker 3: Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 4: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 4: Our editor is Aristotle Lascevedo.

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Speaker 3: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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Speaker 4: Our researchers are Mayor McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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