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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: It's got a very interesting game Sunday. The Bills are

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Speaker 1: in no mood to fool around. They're at the Panthers Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Greg Olsen will be calling it Fox Sports and he

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Speaker 1: is joining me live.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was, it's.

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Speaker 1: Interesting when you have a great I mean, you play

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Speaker 1: with Cam Newton, when you have a dynamic quarterback, everybody thinks, well,

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Speaker 1: things are easier, but you know a lot comes with that.

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Speaker 1: And I look at Buffalo, the team you're doing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my.

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Speaker 3: God, you want him to be Superman. But not too often.

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Speaker 1: As you break down on the film on Buffalo, what

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Speaker 1: is is it just they need another perimeter weapon? Is

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Speaker 1: it that simple? Diagnose the problems? What you see in

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Speaker 1: a team right now that feels they're a little lost,

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Speaker 1: they're a little off center.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I really just dove into their game, especially

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Speaker 4: the most recent game. You know, had to buy and

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Speaker 4: so the week before in the loss against Atlanta, and

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Speaker 4: so I saw the Bills in preseason up in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: None of the real stars played.

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Speaker 4: Josh didn't play, but had a chance to spend some

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Speaker 4: time with McDermot, Joe Brady and a lot of those

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Speaker 4: guys from our Carolina days that we know. And I

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Speaker 4: think they know how good they can be. I think

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Speaker 4: they understand they have to continue to try to offload

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Speaker 4: as much as possible off Josh Allen. And now it

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Speaker 4: goes without saying he's the best player in the league,

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Speaker 4: the reigning MVP. The ball should be in his hand,

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Speaker 4: right And when you look at what they've been over

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Speaker 4: the last couple of years compared to what they really

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Speaker 4: tried to do, especially in the most recent game against Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: I actually really liked it. You know, you saw in

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Speaker 4: the Atlanta game their back. The more they're trying to

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Speaker 4: do some more under center play action first and second down,

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Speaker 4: playing with some bigger bodies, multiple tight ends, jumbo tight ends,

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Speaker 4: Josh Stan's in the shotgun. Every ball snapped to him.

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Speaker 4: It's very hard to get play action out of the gun.

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Speaker 4: You're seeing a lot of the really good teams You've

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Speaker 4: been seeing Mahomes do it now more in Kansas City,

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Speaker 4: teams are starting to understand the best downs to throw

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Speaker 4: to do it oftentimes is through play action. So I

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Speaker 4: think Buffalo is still trying to figure out what is

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Speaker 4: that blend between keeping Josh in the gun, snap it

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Speaker 4: to him and let him create both as a scramble runner,

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Speaker 4: also unloading some of the pressure and putting some more

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Speaker 5: Action layers and whatnot.

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Speaker 4: So I think Joe Brady's still trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: what that balance is. But I like the Again, it

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Speaker 5: Because I don't care how good you.

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Speaker 4: Are every single play the ball being in the hands

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Speaker 4: of your shotgun quarterback to just expect it to make magic,

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Speaker 4: especially like to your point, you don't have like a

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Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, a true star single receiver. I think teams

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Speaker 1: So I said, I watch body language a lot with

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and coaches, and I watched Ben Johnson with Caleb

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Speaker 1: this offense, and I think Caleb's good at the podium.

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Speaker 1: I like the run game, I like the defense. I

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Speaker 1: think Ben's excellent and smart. Is it possible that Caleb's

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Speaker 4: And I think you also have to look at the

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Speaker 4: you look at last year as almost a lost year, right.

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Speaker 4: and I think you're seeing more and more franchises adopt.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a very famous phrase, right that franchises

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Speaker 4: fail young quarterbacks more than young quarterbacks fail franchises. And

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Speaker 4: I think you're seeing it with what Kevin O'Connell is

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Speaker 4: what goes on with so many of these quarterbacks that

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones was was thrown out in New York. And

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Speaker 4: you don't make an argument Indianapolis is the best offense

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Speaker 4: just how young Caleb is and how fresh he is

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Speaker 4: I think Ben Johnson is obviously wonderful at what he does.

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Speaker 4: I think his energy not only from an ex's and o's.

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Speaker 4: I think he's highly demanding. I think he comes across

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Speaker 4: He's very clear in his communication, and I think that's

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Speaker 4: ton of growth here through the first half, you know,

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Speaker 4: he should just continue to improve.

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Speaker 5: Now, what is the ceiling?

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Speaker 4: Z Patrick Mahomes is he Josh Allen who knows, very

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Speaker 4: lot of room left to grow. I think if I'm

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Speaker 1: So you've been doing the tight end university down. I

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 1: I saw him have seventeen catches against USC. He walks

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Speaker 3: Or I don't.

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Speaker 1: I remember Gronk being very good very early, but he

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Speaker 1: This kid has walked in and pretty much. I always say,

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Speaker 1: it's one thing to be productive, it's another to be

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I was just surprised that he wasn't the first

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Speaker 4: I know, you know the Bears took Loveland. I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure the Bears took Loveland, if I have that right

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Speaker 4: I think Indianapolis from the very beginning did a really

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Speaker 4: we all remember him from college lining up at wildcat

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Speaker 4: think now with Daniel Jones, the job he's done. I

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Speaker 4: think Tyler Warren coming into the league, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 4: When I came into the league years ago, there was

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Speaker 5: But you look.

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Speaker 4: we're starting to see a faster evolution, a faster growth.

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Speaker 4: I think part of that is just the tight end

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Speaker 4: Warren played some other positions, but they're growing up understanding

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Speaker 4: job that Shane Steiken is doing with him. He's leading

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Speaker 4: he's like third in catches is just unheard of from

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Speaker 5: He's dynamic with the ball.

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Speaker 4: He's good enough that he could be on the field

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Speaker 4: But from a production standpoint, now, the last two years

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Speaker 1: So when I watched Bo Nixon Jackson Dart this weekend,

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Speaker 1: darts arms pretty good. There's something to be said about confidence,

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Speaker 1: Guys like Jackson darts like bring it on, bring that

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Speaker 1: the I mean he made a bad pick. I always

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs look like the best team in the league

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Speaker 3: Yeah, That's how I feel.

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Speaker 1: Greg Olsen, Fox Sports, as always, it's great.

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Speaker 3: It's great chatting. I love talking to you.

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Speaker 5: Man, appreciate it. Colin so always good to be on.

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Speaker 7: All right, Colin, you're all excited about the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 8: This big winning streak they're on. They're hot.

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Speaker 7: They got Rachi Rice. Oh let's not look into who

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Speaker 8: Was impressed with this Rashi Rice debut, absolutely cooking the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: It was great to have him back.

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Speaker 3: Do what he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hollywood Brown, Juju Smith, Schuster, Travis Kelsey, Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 8: Who could stop that lineup?

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Speaker 7: shall we. So they beat the Raiders, who might be

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Speaker 7: Raiders had like ninety yards of offense. The week before that,

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Speaker 7: the Chiefs look better, that's undeniable. They're gonna smash the

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Speaker 7: Jaden Daniels list Washington commanders this week.

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Speaker 8: By the way, they're ten point favorites. I think you

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Speaker 8: The eye test that always fails. Anyways, let's move.

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Speaker 7: One to the Miami Doltons, Colin, how about that one

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Speaker 10: Specifically, when you're having or when you go through a

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Speaker 7: You got to two, by the way, three fumbles since

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Speaker 7: So they got the falcons this week. Now, you know,

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Speaker 8: So basically, you're telling me these guys you're.

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Speaker 7: Giving them free jet skis, and they're like, no, I

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Speaker 3: I'm giving diamond rings, four carrots. Not interested?

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Speaker 7: The final story, Colin, is NBA time. Oh yeah, got

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Speaker 7: some heat here on the staff for loving the NBA. Listen,

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Speaker 7: we're we're gonna do some of my knicks here, Colin

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Speaker 7: and Carl Anthony Towns. Right, you had a good season

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Speaker 7: new offense, and he said he doesn't really know what

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Speaker 7: his new role is going to be. Oh, and said

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Speaker 7: we're figuring it out now. If that doesn't sound like

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Speaker 7: a guy who's getting shipped for Yannis FedEx? I mean,

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Speaker 7: just send him to Milwaukee right now. Bring Onis.

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee's got Miles Turner and a bunch of guys jacking

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Speaker 1: up threes. So maybe they don't want to make him.

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Speaker 1: Why do they want Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 7: No, No, they got to get rid of Yannis before

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Speaker 7: they lose him for nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'd be careful Miles Turner, h Yannis and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys jacking up threes. They'll be better defensively this

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Speaker 1: year with Miles and no Dame what happens in the East,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shot. I'm dead serious. Orlando, Cleveland, New York, Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: What separates them? Honest, Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: I'm just Yannis is on any given night, the best

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Speaker 1: player in the league. Miles Turner. We watched them in

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Speaker 1: the finals. Excellent player, smart, veteran guy. You know what

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Speaker 1: you're getting every night from him? Rim Protector can hit

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Speaker 1: a jumper, Miles Turner's a tough guy, can defend, and

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Speaker 1: then they're shooting a ton of threes. They'll be better defensively.

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Speaker 1: The East is wide open. That's why I pick Orlando.

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Speaker 7: Y You're crazy on this move I got a text

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Speaker 7: from my agent j Mack. Do you want to be

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Speaker 7: the sixth man on the Milwaukee Bucks? That's how bad

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Speaker 7: they are? I said, I'd rather be on the Herd.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to go lose fifty games and live

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Speaker 7: in Milwaukee. They are not good. They're not top eight

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Speaker 7: in the East. Colin not even that. I don't even

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Speaker 7: know if they're a play in.

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Speaker 1: If you have the best team, and if you have

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Speaker 1: the best player in the East with Tatum and Halliburton out,

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Speaker 1: if you have the best player in the East, Jannis,

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Speaker 1: you're a playoff.

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Speaker 7: Hey how about this, say, well, better steak dinner since

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Speaker 7: you owe me thirty all right, Atlanta Hawks have a

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Speaker 7: better record than the Bucks this year.

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Speaker 3: The Hawks will be interesting.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not not like I'm saying the Wizards

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Speaker 8: or the Hornets and your.

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Speaker 3: Guy LaMelo Ball.

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Speaker 7: I just think you know this situation in the East,

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Speaker 7: Knicks are gonna be great and Carl in j Town's

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Speaker 7: just trade them for Yannis.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't I.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't want Why would I want Carl Anthony truck Towns.

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Speaker 2: What's the.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you, Yannis. I'm telling you the team to

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Speaker 1: watch out for. If I'm giving you Yannis like like Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I want Lively.

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Speaker 8: Cooper flag, I'm asking for you.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously, I want Cooper Flagging, Lively and two

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Speaker 1: first round pick. I'm giving you the best player in

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Speaker 1: a conference.

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Speaker 8: Do we giais is pretty damn good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: By the way, how many have you looked at any

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Speaker 7: gambling props for the Lakers tonight on the their season opener.

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Speaker 8: Who's are going for a thirty piece?

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Speaker 3: Don't bet the NBA in October?

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Speaker 8: I know, I know it's kidding around. Can I text

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Speaker 8: you during the game?

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Speaker 5: Will you be awake?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: How late?

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Speaker 1: I stayed up till last night to watch that awful

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Speaker 1: Seahawk performance.

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Speaker 3: It was terrible.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the worst. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: thank god they won. But oh I had him in

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Speaker 1: the hurt hierarchy.

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Speaker 3: I bounced him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I called Kyle. I text Kyle this morning. Get him

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Speaker 1: out of there. I don't want them on the board.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the Herd line news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the herd hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: More in Chicago, it's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neon Eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one, and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: So if the playoffs begin today, and I do apologize

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Speaker 1: to the radio audience, but we have these cool graphics

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Speaker 1: of the AFC on the left and the NFC on

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Speaker 1: the right, the top seven teams fourteen get in that

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Speaker 1: would be in the playoffs. Now we put in both

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Speaker 1: the AFC the one team that's just outside the playoffs

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Speaker 1: in both conferences. So right now, the number one seed

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Speaker 1: in the AFC is the Colts and the Patriots. Third

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Speaker 1: seeds Denver, Forced seeds Pittsburgh. Those are division winning teams.

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Speaker 1: Wild Card teams would be Buffalo, Chargers, Jags. The team

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Speaker 1: just on the outside would be Kansas City. I think

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Speaker 1: Kansas City gets in either by wild card, which I

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Speaker 1: predicted before the year. Denver's leading the division, Kansas City's

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Speaker 1: a wild card. That's what I had predicted before the year.

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Speaker 1: I had the Chargers making it, and I do think

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Speaker 1: as they get healthy, the Chargers will be a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of trust in Jacksonville. They're

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Speaker 1: just too goofy and squirrely, and I don't trust Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: although I do think they have the good culture. So

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Speaker 1: I think Kansas City gets in and Pittsburgh or Jacksonville misses.

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Speaker 1: In the NFC, I think this is what it's going

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Speaker 1: to look like. It doesn't take long for the cream

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Speaker 1: to rise to the top. I mean, Mike Rabels turned

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Speaker 1: around the Patriots in five six seven weeks. Green Bay

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Speaker 1: is the number one seed, followed by the incredibly resilient

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers. I'd give Shanahan the coach

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Speaker 1: of the year. I can't believe with the injuries there

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Speaker 1: at five and two, Eagles three Tampa four. Wild card

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Speaker 1: is Detroit, Seattle in LA. Regardless of the order, I

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Speaker 1: think the NFC is pretty clear. Chicago's on the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in now. If they beat Baltimore and if Lamar plays,

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Speaker 1: I don't suspect they will. John Harbaugh is great in

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Speaker 1: a bye. I don't see Chicago right now is consistent

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Speaker 1: enough to be a playoff team. So I think the

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Speaker 1: NFC playoff picture, this is what's going to look like,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be in that order. In the AFC,

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Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville's improved, but a little bit of fools

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Speaker 1: gold and you know, if Pittsburgh knocks off Green Bay

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Speaker 1: and turns the five and two, then I'm wrong, But

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Speaker 1: I think Kansasity makes their way in. But it does

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Speaker 1: go to show, you know, we're we're seven weeks in.

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Speaker 1: You know we're we're forty percent through the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: and you know the picture. There's clarity very quickly, very quickly.

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Speaker 1: New England Mike Frabel five six weeks already built the culture.

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Speaker 1: Washington is not going to be the same team they

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Speaker 1: were last year. It's very clear. Jaden's hurt. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the same juice. They caught everybody by surprise. Now

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Speaker 1: everybody's got tape. By the way, Jayden Daniels was great

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Speaker 1: last year and the struggled this year. Funny Bonnick's pretty

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Speaker 1: good both years.

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Speaker 3: This is what I see.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think the NFL playoff picture,

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Speaker 1: I don't see massive changes. I do think when Hampton

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Speaker 1: gets back, and I think when the Chargers get healthier.

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Speaker 3: They can't run the ball.

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Speaker 1: Right now, well they're on their third running back, so

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers will right the ship. They have

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Speaker 1: too good of a coach and too good a quarterback, play,

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Speaker 1: solid defense, I you know, a few years ago, Tennessee

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Speaker 1: was the number one seed. Rabel was a coach, Tannehill

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Speaker 1: was the quarterback, and they got bounced by Cincinnati. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's this Colts team. I think they're really formidable.

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Speaker 1: I think they're online. I think their playmakers are great,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Tannehill. That comp may be close, but

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Speaker 1: I and I have for years. I think their rosters excellent.

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Speaker 1: And Green Bay is a very squishy number one seed

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. I just I want more. I'm not

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Speaker 1: getting it. I think right now the NFC, and this

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Speaker 1: wasn't the case the previous three years. I think the

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Speaker 1: NFC is much deeper than the AFC. It's just with

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, the best team could be in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: Here's yesterday RG three was talking about the resurgence of

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs now that they have all their wide receivers healthy.

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Speaker 11: What I've been most impressed with is Mahomes's ability to

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Speaker 11: get it done with anybody. And I think that is

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Speaker 11: early reminiscent of what we saw from our colleague and

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Speaker 11: the greatest quarterback of all time, Tom Brady. He had

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Speaker 11: that constant in Rob Gronkowski, and then it was Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 11: Wes Welkers, all these different guys that they can throw

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Speaker 11: in there to make plays happen, but it all boils

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Speaker 11: down to Patrick Mahomes being the one that's just distributing

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Speaker 11: the ball out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't listen to the show. Today, Nick Wright

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Speaker 1: and I discussed the Lebron and Russell Westbrook story, which

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Speaker 1: is really kind of tasty. So there's a book out

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Speaker 1: on Lebron's Laker career, and I had said when and

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook doesn't like Lebron, he thinks he's a phony,

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Speaker 1: and Lebron's not going to punch down. That's not Lebron

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Speaker 1: doesn't do that. So and I've talked to people around

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Speaker 1: Lebron's circle about Westbrook before, and you know their take is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Russell didn't like anybody. He doesn't get along

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Speaker 1: with anybody long term, which I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: writer not. I think Russell Westbrook runs really really hot,

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Speaker 1: and I think he always has. But the Laker season

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Speaker 1: starts tonight, and.

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Speaker 3: Nick, right now, we're talking about this earlier.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because Westbrook has such a kind of relentless

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Speaker 1: personality and it's probably a work to his detriment multiple times.

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Speaker 1: I mean getting into it with fans and teammates, and

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Westbrook one of those people that

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Speaker 1: sometimes steps in it, but he never asks anybody else

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Speaker 1: to clean his shoes. He steps in it, deals with it,

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Speaker 1: owns it, and moves on. So he's become kind of

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Speaker 1: a bounce around the NBA guy, huge energy guy, but

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Speaker 1: iowe was the mistake to me was the front office

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Speaker 1: of the Lakers. These guys were never built to play together.

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Speaker 3: So in the New.

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Speaker 1: Laker book, you know, Westbrook is calling Lebron a phony.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's a billion dollar empire, and at this point he's

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Speaker 1: protecting his brand, so he's not going to talk about

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Speaker 1: this and that's just not Lebron Lebron, And I think

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Speaker 1: it's hard for a lot of athletes to relate to

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Speaker 1: Lebron when you get to Brady's level, rinaldo you know,

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Speaker 1: It's like when you get older with your net worth,

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Speaker 1: you're protecting it. You don't need to hit home runs,

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Speaker 1: you need to hit doubles. Lebron at this point just

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything dumb.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to.

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Speaker 1: Get in the way of potential advertising deals and revenue

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Speaker 1: and production deals.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's got his legacy, his rings, his points, He's got everything.

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Speaker 3: He just don't want to screw it up. And he's

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Speaker 3: still was playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: He wants to protect the brand, and so sometimes he's

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Speaker 1: a bit calculated. I think that's a completely fair criticism.

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Speaker 1: I don't think calculated equals phony. But that's how Westbrook

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Speaker 1: sees it. And I would say that's just Westbrook wears

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Speaker 1: his emotions on his sleeve. He puts it out there.

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Speaker 1: He's incredibly hot. You know, his temperature is Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: want him to turn the governor down a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit, but that's not who he is.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: Here was Nick earlier on Lebron James.

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Speaker 12: Now, what people have come down to is, you know what,

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Speaker 12: I don't like the cut of his jib, and I

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Speaker 12: think he lies about reading books he hasn't read. That's

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Speaker 12: my problem with Lebron, Like, give me a break. Yes,

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Speaker 12: of course he is calculated, and yes, of course anything

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Speaker 12: he says or does is going to be dissected, so

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Speaker 12: he has to.

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Speaker 5: Be very careful with it.

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Speaker 12: But I think that he has handled that spotlight better

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Speaker 12: than quite literally any other athlete of our lives.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back to Michael Jordan, Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan had the gambling issue, like when he took a

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Speaker 1: couple of years off, so you know, Michael Michael retired

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Speaker 1: and went to baseball largely because he was exhausted. I

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Speaker 1: mean that was pre Twitter, pre social media. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Michael's just like, I got to step away

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Speaker 1: from this stuff. I can't go out the dinner and

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Speaker 1: it's daunting to be messy. Or Otani. It's almost an

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Speaker 1: advantage for Otani not.

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Speaker 3: To speak English.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like a built in advantage that

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Speaker 1: he can just you know, he doesn't have to answer

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Speaker 1: every question. Not that he would manipulate the media, but

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Speaker 1: I look at it and I think a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an advantage. I think being Lebron's difficult, I think,

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Speaker 1: and very few people can relate to it. Brady can

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Speaker 1: relate to it. You know. That's why Lebron. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Lebron invested in the English Premier League, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, he goes over there and he meets with

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Speaker 1: a star and they get it. If you're in London

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Speaker 1: and you're plan for a Man City or Man United.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole different. It's hard to relate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you can't go out to dinner, and

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Speaker 1: that's been Lebron's life for twenty years. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: defend him. I don't think necessarily being calculated is phony.

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Speaker 1: It's brand protection, and the richest Americans and the richest

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Speaker 1: global oligarchs do it every day. I will see them

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Speaker 1: all