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Speaker 2: Here we go one hand to catch it a touchdown?

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Speaker 4: Oh baby, how's that film?

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Speaker 1: Here's Craiggriolu, Paul Calvic and two time pro bowler Lorenzo Alexander.

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Speaker 5: It is always good when we can take the show

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Speaker 5: on the road, and for the second straight week we

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Speaker 5: come to you live from State Farm Stadium. It is

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Speaker 5: Carts camp and of course it is always good to

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Speaker 5: have soo in the building. And right off the top,

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Speaker 5: what you doing.

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Speaker 6: Doing well, you know, getting back into a routine school,

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Speaker 6: starting back coaching football season. So all the good things

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Speaker 6: that I love to do and passionate about is uh

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Speaker 6: just in the beginning stages, and my son has started

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Speaker 6: as freshman season, I'll at Brophy, so I'm just excited

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Speaker 6: get to sit back and watch him compete this year.

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Speaker 3: So having gone through basically twenty years of training camps

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Speaker 3: between college and the NFL, do you miss anything?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Anything, No, come on something?

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 6: I mean you miss the guys and the relationships you

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Speaker 6: build and being able to pour into other guys. But

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Speaker 6: I can do that as a non player. So hopefully

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Speaker 6: when I get down the field, I'll see class and

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Speaker 6: a couple other guys I know come over fellowship a

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Speaker 8: But I can always speak to guys, you know.

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Speaker 6: I had a chance to go back to Buffalo too,

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Speaker 6: where I also played and was out there on the field,

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Speaker 6: had access and helping guys throughout the week. And that's

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Speaker 6: cool because I don't get sore from that. Maybe my

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Speaker 6: back is a little tight because I'm walking around, but hey,

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Speaker 6: it's not like getting hit. So that's probably the only thing,

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Speaker 6: because that's the most I think the coolest thing about

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Speaker 6: playing ball is getting to build these relationships and doing

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Speaker 6: life with people.

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Speaker 5: Well, when you run into Kalais, you could ask him

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Speaker 5: why he was not participating in the red and white practice.

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Speaker 5: He's been given two that days already here in training Kings.

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Speaker 6: He's earned him eighteen years, right, I mean I used

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Speaker 6: to I didn't practice it any Wednesday one by the

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Speaker 6: time I was at the end, you know, And you

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Speaker 6: just need to take those days because there's no way

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Speaker 6: you can play as hard as we do, right, because

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Speaker 6: if you put me out there, I'm gonna go hard.

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Speaker 6: I can't say, Okay, I'm thirty eight, I'm gonna kind

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Speaker 6: of go sixty percent, right, And so you almost have

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Speaker 6: to protect guys like Klays from themselves. And so he's

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Speaker 6: earned that right because you know he's gonna be prepared,

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Speaker 6: He's really gonna be ready to go. The only thing

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Speaker 6: that's always gonna be the variable is how does he

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Speaker 6: feel right? Because once once you start the football season,

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Speaker 6: that sundays, Okay, do I have that juice? Do I

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Speaker 6: myself through that? And so I think the coaches do

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Speaker 6: a good job with that.

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Speaker 5: It's a good point because when we have seen Kalais

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Speaker 5: on the field, it is full go. It is one

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Speaker 5: for the drill. So when those days off have been

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Speaker 5: ready for what will be another practice here on this Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just verifying this all. The first depth chart

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Speaker 8: Although he has told.

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Speaker 3: Us, in fact, he told us during mandatory mini camp

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Speaker 3: when he met the media, it is a process for him.

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Speaker 3: He knows where he needs to be win to be

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Speaker 3: ready to go week one, but he does admit I'm

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Speaker 3: intriguing because some guys come in and there, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's the best they're gonna feel all year, Right it

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Speaker 3: is the very beginning of training camp. But sounds like

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Speaker 3: he's sort of taking more of an old school approach

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, cause football shape is different than any

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Speaker 6: detailed or in execute your assignment. You're not ready. So

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Speaker 6: people that come in that think they're ready. I think

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Speaker 6: it's a little a false pretense. You may feel like

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Speaker 6: under he understands that, and so obviously he's not getting

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Speaker 6: in addition of being an older player as well.

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Speaker 5: Khalaias a spectator during Saturday's Red and White practice. But

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Speaker 5: a good, say a good, a great turnouts on Saturday

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Speaker 5: afternoon better than twenty six thousand here for Cards camp

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Speaker 5: at State Farm Stadium, the largest crowd ever to witness

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Speaker 5: a training camp practice, and they were treated Paul to

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Speaker 5: I think what we I don't want to go out

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Speaker 5: on a limb, but maybe the play of training camp

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Speaker 5: so far, and that would be the Will Johnson intercept

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Speaker 5: of Kyler Murray late game situation under a minute to go,

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Speaker 5: you got to drive either the length of the field

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Speaker 5: before it really began because the pass intended for, say Jones. Well,

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Speaker 5: Johnson did a good job of reading the route, jumping

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Speaker 3: He's been so good at times I've actually wondered, and

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Speaker 3: I said this out loud to passion Wolf, did he

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Speaker 3: know the play You know, there are certain guys at

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Speaker 3: certain points in camp they start to know the playbook, right, Okay, So, and.

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Speaker 8: I must say that's a plus.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you don't want to be a rookie out

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Speaker 6: there not being aware of what the office you're playing

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Speaker 8: Is doing to you. They have tendencies, so that means

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Speaker 3: Here here's my question though, does that give you a

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Speaker 6: So there's a difference between if it was scripted, like

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Speaker 6: On this play, I'm gonna jump the route. That's like, okay,

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Speaker 6: you cheating now, that's corrupt, right, which they I mean

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Speaker 6: your yeah, and the older you get in this league

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Speaker 6: when you go through walkthroughs on Wednesday, you know, those

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Speaker 6: actually cheat the drill and know what we know what

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Speaker 6: to expect once you you've been around a little bit.

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Speaker 6: But I doubt that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: When you play a team, uh, day in and day out,

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Speaker 6: they have scripts, right, they have plays, they have things

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Speaker 6: that they want to get done that day. And as

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Speaker 6: a young player, if I say okay, they're working on

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Speaker 6: this high low concept. They've been doing this all day,

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Speaker 6: that's a point of emphasis. All right, I'm smart. I

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Speaker 6: want to say, Okay, that's what they're doing today. I'm

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Speaker 6: I go into a game, this is the concept that

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Speaker 6: So for me as a veteran, if I see a

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Speaker 6: because every single time you have to make these adjustments

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Speaker 6: if a player can do that end game, and especially

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Speaker 3: I don't say this lightly. It's the only rookie I've

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Speaker 3: seen that's those sort of instincts in playmaking in ball

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Speaker 3: That's the sort of prowess we've seen out of Will

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Speaker 3: Johnson so far. At times, he hasn't done it quite

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Speaker 3: but it is reminiscent in a lot of ways. Craig.

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Speaker 5: It got GM monti Austin Ford, from where he was

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Speaker 5: the defensive side and say nice play to well. It

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Speaker 5: got Kyler Murray when the second team offense was on

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Speaker 5: a conversation with Will. I'm sure a tip of the cap,

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Speaker 5: but also all right, what did you see? Well did

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Speaker 5: I show something? Now again it's the veteran and the youngster,

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Speaker 5: but I do think a positive, positive part of the

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Speaker 5: sulking or whatever, it was, all right, let me figure

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Speaker 3: And look, there are guys who have been CEB one

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Speaker 3: Derek Stingley Junior. I hate to say it, but Devin

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Speaker 3: an All Pro two years. I mean, if you're that

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Speaker 3: I mean from day one, he could be cbe one

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Speaker 6: And just kind of rewatching this play real quick, you

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Speaker 6: you for that, right, just kind of looking at it

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Speaker 6: here in that situational football right into the game that

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Speaker 6: five yard hitches, five yard comebacks, whatever you want to

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Speaker 6: to be able to do on an offense in those situations,

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Speaker 6: it gets positive yours in your first play. So a

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Speaker 6: lot of that is quick game, Hey, let me catch it,

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Speaker 6: get the ball out. He sees both receivers sitting down

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Speaker 6: and it's like, okay, this is the only route that

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Speaker 6: this can be, So I'm breaking on number one. So

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Speaker 6: it's a mixture of situation, understand the game, and then

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Speaker 6: obviously his ability to get out of the break and

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Speaker 6: actually get there before the ball gets there. It's what

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Speaker 6: makes him special. And so when you marry those two

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Speaker 8: Or have the ability to actually get there and get

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Speaker 5: Cardinals Radio Network. Don't quite know if or how much

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Speaker 9: I think they need to be able to go function,

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Speaker 8: Pre game right?

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Speaker 3: There are notable names that are currently running third team

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Speaker 5: Again kickoff on sat Is five pm, the preseason opener

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Speaker 2: Murray takes the shotgun snap back to throw now a

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Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, that was a great job right there.

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Speaker 4: Tip Ryman at the point of attack, just jacked up

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Speaker 2: Snap to Murray. Three step drop, looking left now in trouble,

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Speaker 5: So one could argue, Paul and I will that tight

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, all right now, let me get my oven

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Speaker 5: Ben Steele joining us here on the Cardinals Red Sea Reports, welcome.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, thank you so much for having me, and

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Speaker 5: I say that because of what we've seen through the

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and I can't remember. I think a year before

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Speaker 10: Well, I think I mean, as always, you either get

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Speaker 10: Was Yeah whatever three weeks. Yeah, you know, I asked him.

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Speaker 3: He's killing us twice a year every year. Just tell

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Speaker 3: We're on board with Cardinals tight end coach Ben Steele.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, and that I'm probably you know, to

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Speaker 5: from when he first got here to now going into

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he's such an easy guy to coach

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Speaker 10: because of not playing a position. He does everything that's

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Speaker 10: asked the right way that I asked him to do it,

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Speaker 10: you know, because he just doesn't have the bad habits

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Speaker 10: of playing you know, quasied receiver tight ends that most

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Speaker 10: of the college tight ends are these days. But so

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Speaker 10: for him, like he's continued and a lot of it

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Speaker 10: comes with just experience, and he's gotten a play and

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Speaker 10: you know, he's obviously a huge compliment to Trade and

446
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Speaker 10: getting both of those guys in the field, Like, again,

447
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Speaker 10: who are you gonna double? He can't double them both.

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Speaker 10: And he's he's been explosive and showing a lot of

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Speaker 10: big play ability and I think, you know, he's definitely

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Speaker 10: got the confidence of the quarterback and uh and the

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Speaker 10: team for that matter.

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Speaker 3: He I mean, he's got great hands, he runs great routes.

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Speaker 3: How is he these days at the point of attack?

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Speaker 3: Elijah Higgins?

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Speaker 10: He's good. He's really good. He's he's doing a lot

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Speaker 10: of things out of the backfield now too, where he's

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Speaker 10: you know, he can cover up linebackers, and he's fast

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Speaker 10: and physical. You know, he's putting on good weight. He's

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Speaker 10: he's lean and explosive off the line of scrimmage. You know,

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Speaker 10: he's obviously not you know, the size of Tip Tip Ryman.

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Speaker 10: But but he's a guy that is a move tight

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Speaker 10: end that can definitely cover up people downfield, which we

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Speaker 10: obviously do a lot of with our quarterback run stuff.

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Speaker 10: We need guys on the perimeter blocking in space. And

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Speaker 10: he's athletic and fast, enough to do that.

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Speaker 5: Do you bring up Tip And I think we're we

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Speaker 5: were all impressed by what he was able to do

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Speaker 5: blocking wasn't targeted a ton within this offense. But is

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Speaker 5: that where you hope to see the development with him

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Speaker 5: because we've seen it out here during training camp. He

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Speaker 5: has good hands, it's just sometimes the ball doesn't find him.

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Speaker 5: But his role within this offense is so important because

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Speaker 5: of his blocking.

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Speaker 10: Ability, no doubt. And you know, there's only one football

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Speaker 10: and we have a lot of playmakers on our offense.

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Speaker 10: But he's a guy that and I told him that

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Speaker 10: he's not just here to block people like, He's definitely

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Speaker 10: a guy that we're continue to develop in the past game.

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Speaker 10: And the guy can run. I mean, he's like he's

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Speaker 10: like a young Gronka most of times. Like if you

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Speaker 10: want to tackle Tip out in space when he has

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Speaker 10: the ball, like I would not. But so yeah, that's

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Speaker 10: something that's part of his game that I think he's

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Speaker 10: going to keep flourishing and get He's going to keep

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Speaker 10: adding value in that.

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Speaker 3: See See I love hearing that. I was telling Wolf,

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Speaker 3: you know, I explained the game of football to around Wolf,

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Speaker 3: and I was saying, you know how about more tight

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Speaker 3: end screens to tip Ryman plays and we'll call the play.

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Speaker 3: Who wants some here's two hundred and seventy five pounds

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Speaker 3: coming downhill. I mean there's gonna be a lot of dvs.

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Speaker 3: Who Oh, I didn't quite get off that block, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's been a lot of guys turning that down.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I told him that you get the

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Speaker 10: ball in space, pick your feet up because no one

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Speaker 10: is going to tackle you high.

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Speaker 8: So no, that's good.

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Speaker 3: But is the potential there? He had six catches a

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Speaker 3: year ago? I mean, is the potential you know? And

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Speaker 3: obviously you know a lot of mouths to feed a

501
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Speaker 3: lot of potential targets obviously in weapons in this offense.

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Speaker 3: But could you see him getting a little more involved

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Speaker 3: in the passing game.

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Speaker 10: For sure, especially as him as a blocking type tight end,

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Speaker 10: Like he's going to be playing on first, second down

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Speaker 10: and it can't all just be runs. He can't be

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Speaker 10: in on runs. So you know, his ability to catch

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Speaker 10: the ball is really good. He's got a really good

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Speaker 10: catch radius, and he runs, he can the guy can

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Speaker 10: run really well down the field, so he's he has

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Speaker 10: the ability to stretch the defense also, so Yeah, there

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Speaker 10: is some room for him to grow and develop into

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Speaker 10: that role. It's just like we said, there's there's one

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Speaker 10: football and and you know a lot of guys to

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Speaker 10: get the ball to. But he's flip factor.

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Speaker 5: I brought up at the start of this conversation the

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Speaker 5: value of the tight end within this offense. But typically

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Speaker 5: sometimes when the tight end comes on the field, it's

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Speaker 5: a tell, all right, they're gonna run the ball, Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: You don't know how much of an advantage is that

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Speaker 5: whether you have two or three tight ends. Now the

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Speaker 5: defenses don't know, Hey, Kyler might be handing it off

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Speaker 5: or you might be throwing the football.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and I've said that before on I think probably

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Speaker 10: on this show. But either if you're a tight end

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Speaker 10: that doesn't block, then what are you just a slow

527
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Speaker 10: wide receiver? Like we need guys that are gonna be

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Speaker 10: able to block. And it's so big for our play

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Speaker 10: action game, like as a runner a pass we have

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Speaker 10: to be able to create explosives by not being being

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Speaker 10: one dimensional as far as a position goes. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: our guys and they all do a great job of it,

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Speaker 10: and they work at it. You know, we're gonna put

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Speaker 10: our face on people and then we're gonna run by

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Speaker 10: you and score touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Well, memory serves Week four at San Francisco a year ago,

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Speaker 3: Kyler's fifty yard touchdown run and the second play from scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: The two key blocks were the two tight ends. Yep,

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Speaker 3: it was true and Trey and Tip and then Kyler

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Speaker 3: finger in the air. He gone, gone, uh what about

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Speaker 3: this camp? You know, JG said, going in more friction.

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Speaker 3: We've seen consecutive days with pads twice already. How competitive

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Speaker 3: does he get? Let me ask you this, how competive

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Speaker 3: is a get between coaches? I know, at the end

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Speaker 3: of the practice, okay, you're all a team again, But

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Speaker 3: the way the players compete, how about coaches? You know,

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Speaker 3: when it's the on line coach against the D line coach,

548
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Speaker 3: the tight ends coach against the outside linebackers. Are you

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Speaker 3: guys like staring each other down? You guys pretty intense

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Speaker 3: during that whole drill.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean to an extent, we definitely do get

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Speaker 10: get after each other, you know, pre practice, during practice,

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Speaker 10: post practice, even you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 10: we are one team and we're trying to protect each other.

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Speaker 10: But at the same time, you know, we're iron Sharperd's iron.

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Speaker 10: So the better the look that we give them, the

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Speaker 10: harder we practice against our defense, the better our defense

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Speaker 10: is going to be, and vice versas. So it's and

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Speaker 10: this camp has been awesome so far as far as

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Speaker 10: the guys working hard, you know, and making each other better.

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Speaker 5: One last question for it. You coach the position, you

562
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Speaker 5: played the position, what do you think about what's happening now?

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Speaker 5: Tight end you and now all of a sudden there's

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Speaker 5: a brotherhood with these tight ends getting together and sharing

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Speaker 5: tips advice in the offseason.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's awesome.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 10: It's really cool. And you know, and they bring stuff back,

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Speaker 10: you know, to the room and I have them, you know,

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Speaker 10: give us some things that they learned. And maybe it's

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Speaker 10: some drills are drill here too, that they that they

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Speaker 10: really liked it that they did there. It's so cool

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Speaker 10: to see that the evolvement of the position and the

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Speaker 10: success of it, and you know, and it's fun to

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Speaker 10: be a part of it.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's certainly a part of this Cardinals offense. Been appreciated.

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Speaker 5: Uh enjoyed the conversation as always, Best of luck this season.

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Speaker 10: Thank you very much, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks, coach, we'll come back with more. It's

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Speaker 5: the Cardinals Red Sea Report. Here on the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: Right do a network.

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Speaker 8: Patronic's past picked up. Here comes Perch to the house.

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Speaker 3: Steps away, all the way away.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Birch.

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Speaker 2: Shit in the pitch, hit in the backfield that goes

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Speaker 2: down Jordan Burch.

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Speaker 8: We'll get credit.

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Speaker 2: Put a tackle for loss belver can't get outside, goes

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Speaker 2: down Jordan Birch.

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Speaker 3: Stretch play Martinez. He has lit Up Birch in there.

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Speaker 2: First under pressure and he gets sack.

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Speaker 5: Jordan Birch, third round pick, two year starter at Oregon. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Jordan Birch in the mix to be one of those

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Speaker 5: outside linebackers opposite Josh Sweats, or maybe the outside linebacker

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Speaker 5: opposite Josh Sweat. As we say, welcome back, it is

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Speaker 5: the Cardinals Red Sea reports, Greg Rio, Loop HAULCLVC and

597
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Speaker 5: Lorenzo Alexander special thanks to tight ends coach Ben Steele

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Speaker 5: joining us in our previous segment. We will switch things

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Speaker 5: over to the defensive side of the ball, and you

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Speaker 5: look at outside linebacker the drusher positions though, and it's okay,

601
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Speaker 5: we know we know Josh is on one side. Probably

602
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Speaker 5: gonna be there for a long time as far as

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Speaker 5: a three down linebacker. But the question is is it

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Speaker 5: David Collins, Is it b jo Jolari if and when

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Speaker 5: he is healthy enough to come back, or could Jordan

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Speaker 5: Burch someone who was selected on Day two come in

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Speaker 5: and fill that need.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be interesting in that regard as

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Speaker 6: far as how they like guys, and you know who

610
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Speaker 6: drafted you and and who likes you now you know,

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Speaker 6: so we think about Zavon and Birch and and and

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Speaker 6: how those guys continue to evolve, and just trying to

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Speaker 6: look at the overarching who's gonna be able? Who can

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Speaker 6: you trust right now? And I think that's what it's

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Speaker 6: gonna come down to. I think when you think about

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Speaker 6: Birch or Collins, is who can I trust down in

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Speaker 6: and down out? As far as making that progression, obviously,

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Speaker 6: I've been around Zaving a lot.

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Speaker 8: Love what he's doing.

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Speaker 6: He's made that transition, but consistently can he go out there?

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Speaker 6: I know you can trust him, but can he make

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Speaker 6: the plays right? We've seen Birch make all these splash plays.

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Speaker 6: He here that hantage, but can we trust him as

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Speaker 6: a rookie to go out there and execute what we

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Speaker 6: want to do, especially when we start dialing things up

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Speaker 6: and getting creative as we saw him do. Because right

627
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Speaker 6: even though I think they're better upfront and they won't

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Speaker 6: have to rely on that as much, you still want

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Speaker 6: to have that in your back pocket, and it's always

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Speaker 6: can a young guy make that transition to handle that?

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Speaker 6: And maybe that's when you bring Zaban in right when

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Speaker 6: you want to down some of those things up, because

633
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Speaker 6: he's been around and has has the experience executing more

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Speaker 6: complicated blitzes and schemes.

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Speaker 5: I failed to mention Baron Browning in that mix, Paul,

636
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Speaker 5: but there's someone who has had a nice camp and

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Speaker 5: has gotten a little bit of a run with the

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Speaker 5: first team.

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Speaker 3: But you brought him back for.

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Speaker 5: A reason after acquiring him mid season a year ago.

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Speaker 5: So it's obvious the coaches see something in him. And

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Speaker 5: as you've talked with him, Baron's healthy and I don't

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Speaker 5: know if he was completely healthy until late last season.

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Speaker 3: He's healthy in his opinion, He's playing his best position,

645
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Speaker 3: which wasn't always the case when he came into the league,

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Speaker 3: so it's been able to focus and really hone his

647
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Speaker 3: skills in that outside linebacker spot. He's heavier, he's stronger, says,

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Speaker 3: he feels more explosive. And if you look at the

649
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Speaker 3: last two or three games of last year, when you

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Speaker 3: really got a lot of reps because of injuries, he

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Speaker 3: was productive. I mean we called his name a lot.

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Speaker 3: He was a problem for offenses. So I'd say between

653
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Speaker 3: Baron Browning and Jordan Birch, they're two sleepers on that

654
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: defensive front. You know, my buddy has an old muscle car, right,

655
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: and it's sort of nondescript, okay, and it's black on black.

656
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: It's a trouble black and his nose stripes, there's nothing,

657
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: but he's got a big block engine in there. We

658
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: will leave most cars in the dust. You look at

659
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: Jordan Birch, he's six four eighty and you look at

660
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: that fake punt against he ran for Oregon last year.

661
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: He looks like Derrick Henry. I mean, the man can move.

662
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: So Zavin Collins talking to the media and saying, yeah,

663
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: Jordan Birch, you know, he's still a rookie to your point,

664
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: still kind of getting into the playbook. He might be

665
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: thinking more than playing at times. So maybe because of

666
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: that he's he's more of a third on pass rush

667
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: specialists to begin with. But I mean he has things

668
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: you can't teach. The size and the speed. The athleticism

669
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: are on display every time you see him out on

670
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: that field.

671
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: Certainly the athleticism, But what does he look like on

672
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: the field. Here's the head coach Jonathan Ginnon.

673
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Speaker 9: When you look at a guy and he looks like

674
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 9: he weighs probably twenty five pounds more than what he

675
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 9: looks to you, that's typically a good sign he's put together.

676
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 9: But I wanted to see the movement and the get

677
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 9: off in the bursts and acceleration from the edge, and

678
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 9: I think he's displayed that. You know, Matt's done a

679
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 9: good job of cleaning up some of the technique things

680
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 9: and where his eyes are, because those two things can

681
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 9: slow you down a little bit. But I think that's

682
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 9: where he's made the biggest jump. And then honestly, he

683
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 9: doesn't bust a lot like he really doesn't, so he

684
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 9: knows what's going on. He's executing schematically and he's playing

685
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 9: pretty fast and violent.

686
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: Keeping those mental mistakes at a minimum. And this edge

687
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 5: rusher position, it's not just go get the quarterback we

688
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 5: know it's about setting the edge, stopping the run, dropping

689
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: it covered. Just why this coaching staff zo values Xavan

690
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 5: Collins right so highly is because of his versatility. And

691
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: there might not be another coaching staff in the league

692
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: that values Zavian that highly. But I think Zavian has

693
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: found a role within this defensive scheme and could be

694
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 5: someone that plays a half a different half a dozen

695
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: different positions.

696
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this gives you flexibility as a coordinator

697
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 6: because he still has the ability to even walk up

698
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 6: off the ball and being off of the ball linebacker right,

699
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 6: because that's his home, that's what he's grown up in.

700
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 6: And so you'll see him at the three techniques. Sometimes

701
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 6: you see him on the outside. Is he off the ball?

702
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 6: And then when you have certain packages, is he do

703
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: I count him as a down guy if I'm on

704
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: the offensive side, is he a true linebacker?

705
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 8: So he can create, based on.

706
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 6: His flexibility, some real issues for the opposing offensive center

707
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 6: and quarterback, trying to id guys so that the blocking

708
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: scheme is correct. And sometimes you can get some free

709
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 6: hitters just off of having him on the field. And

710
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: so he he has brought a lot of value to

711
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 6: this team. And I think that's why the coaches love him,

712
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 6: because they like guys where I can put him in

713
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 6: different places because then it allows me to operate and

714
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 6: get creative. In every coach they always say, keep yourself

715
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 6: on one of those guys. But if I get a chance,

716
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: I could die something up cool because I have the

717
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 6: personnel to do it.

718
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 8: I want to be able to do that as well

719
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 8: as Zavion gives them that opportunity.

720
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: Well, let's hear from the man himself, Zavin Collins on

721
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: potentially his role this season and where he looked to

722
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 5: get better after last season.

723
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 7: I'd like to rush the past year a little bit

724
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 7: better than I did last year. I'd like to get

725
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 7: more sacks, you know, create more pressures, create things for

726
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 7: other guys as well. I feel more comfortable in that role.

727
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 7: But like I said, there's a lot of things that

728
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 7: I do that it's complicated and it's you know, usually

729
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 7: guys my size don't do. So they kind of use

730
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 7: me as that chess piece of you know, kind of

731
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 7: moving every direction.

732
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: Be able to do that.

733
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 5: The follow up a question to Zavon, and I believe

734
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: it might have been you, Paul or someone asked, Okay,

735
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 5: so how many different positions are you playing? And he

736
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: started to rattle them off, and it's like, after he

737
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 5: got past five, he's like, Okay, you're you're just you're

738
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 5: on the field, whether you're on the line of scrimmage

739
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: or the second level or hey, in one point during

740
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 5: training camp, might have been Saturday, he found himself lined

741
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 5: up in the slot opposite Greg Dortch.

742
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: And that's just.

743
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: Depending on what the matchups are or where they want

744
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: him to be. Zavon's gonna be on the football field.

745
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: And the other question I asked him was, can you

746
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: tell like when you're when you're in a three technique

747
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: and you're just sort of standing up and walking around

748
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: the box, can you tell like the opposing offense and

749
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: or quarterback is a little confused, little confounded they're thinking.

750
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: And he said absolutely, That's that's what Nick Rolis does. Yeah,

751
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: so now you have another guy who has that ability

752
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: in Jordan Birch, very similar body type, who had played

753
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: interior d line early in his career. I'm just curious,

754
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: you know the way, and Baron Browning is now up

755
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: to two fifty five, and so you have different guys

756
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: you can put in different spots at different times. And

757
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, like you said earlier, there's the Miami game

758
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: where Okay, Zamon Collins is three technique, No, he's bailing

759
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: and now he's covering deep middle and guess what he's

760
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: running with Tyreek Hill. So I mean, what does that

761
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: do to an offense? And I mean, right, if you're

762
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, that's gotta be somewhat confusing.

763
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and typically you don't have one guy, so as

764
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: long as it's saving is healthy, he'll be that guy.

765
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 6: I wouldn't put Birch in that situation at all. It's

766
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 6: just too much to be in a three technique, be

767
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 6: on the end coming off and playing the mic, or

768
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 6: you know, just doing different things dropping down the middle

769
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 6: of the field. It and I've been in that place,

770
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: right you, especially early in the season, the first four

771
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 6: to six weeks. Once he does it a couple of times,

772
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 6: then obviously they're gonna have to figure out Nick Rolins

773
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 6: is gonna have to come up with something different that

774
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 6: looks the same. But you look at the quarter of

775
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 6: Ay Loup or you start seeing the center who's making

776
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 6: the id checks, he'll go Mike.

777
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 8: Fifty four, No, Mike uh fit no.

778
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 9: Uh.

779
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 6: And then then that you know the clock is ticking

780
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 6: down and people start panicking and they don't know what

781
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 6: to do.

782
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 8: When you see him line up, I think of.

783
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: Week one, you're gonna have a young quarterback. You're going

784
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: against Spencer Radler got five or six starts last year,

785
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: Tyler Shook as a rookie. I mean, you're you. I

786
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: think the game plan by Nick Ross is gonna be

787
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: called kitchen se You're gonna show and throw everything at them,

788
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: just be for the sake of it, because they are

789
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: a young quarterbacks. Stuff you would do on purpose that

790
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: you would never do against Matthew Stafford because he's seen everything.

791
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: But against those guys, that could really be a big

792
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: part of the game plan, right, Yeah, for sure. And

793
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: that's when you get tips, overthrows, interceptions, turnovers.

794
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 8: He's gonna hold onto the ball.

795
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 6: You're gonna get the sacks that you want when you

796
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 6: throw those little weird pitchers at guys that haven't seen

797
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 6: enough of it. And that's typically why you love playing

798
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: young quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks, because they haven't seen it.

799
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 8: They're not gonna be able to ide it. And even even.

800
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 6: When like a Matthew Stafford may be confused as a

801
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 6: defensive player. I'm not gonna know that a rookie. You

802
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 6: can see it all over his eyes. Everybody else gonna

803
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 6: play it cool. Pat Mahomes gonna play a cool act

804
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: like you still know what's going on and make it,

805
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 6: make it work right. So that's why you take and

806
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: you can play a little bit safer, a little bit

807
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 6: more reckless versus a young guy versus an older guy.

808
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: And when we talk about rushing the passer, they're not

809
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: edge rushers or outside linebackers, but a Kalais Campbell from

810
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: his spot on the defensive line, of Darius Robinson from

811
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: his spot on the defense line. I mean, now, all

812
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you've got not just the outside linebackers,

813
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 5: but along the defensive line, whether it's up the middle

814
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 5: or from the outside. If you're Nick Rolis, you can

815
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 5: throw a number of different looks to opposing quarterbacks, not

816
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 5: just okay, he's coming from that side, and he's coming

817
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 5: from that side.

818
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 6: Right, And those guys are moved too, right. They do

819
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 6: good jobs of being able to rush both sides left

820
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 6: and right. I know Class has moved around throughout his career,

821
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 6: even lined up over the center at times when they

822
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: want to go like that five to zero when you

823
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 6: have five guys a bear defense or defensive front. Look,

824
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 6: and to your point, I ripped, the interior has upgraded.

825
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 6: I think I think they're going to be more productive.

826
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 8: Right. You get some guys that are coming back.

827
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 6: I think they drafted well in an area and then

828
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: bringing it in the free agents, which is going to

829
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 6: allow a Zavian and some of the guys trying to

830
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 6: turn the corner I think to get maybe an extra

831
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 6: sack or pressure because those guys won't be able to

832
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 6: step up. And then number two, you have colass in there.

833
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 6: I mean he normally, I bet you he probably leads

834
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 6: the league in PBUs even when he's probably competing with

835
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 6: DB's in that every year, just because he's so tall.

836
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 6: Knocking balls down will and that's just as good as

837
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 6: you know, a pressure or a sack because you just

838
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 6: now that the offense is playing behind the sticks.

839
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: A lot of times last year of Miami and Kalais

840
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: did bat one of Kyler's passes in that game. Here's

841
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: my question, Mac Wilson's senior inside linebacker, how clean could

842
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: he potentially be this year? If your interior D line

843
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: is Kalais Dalvin Tomlinson, if Darius Robinson is new and improved.

844
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: Josh Sweat is known for sitting in physical edge. I

845
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: mean Macwilson's senior. I can see now the method of

846
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 3: the madness. If you're going with him because of his athleticism,

847
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: sideline is sideline and you're keeping them that much cleaner

848
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: than maybe your inside backers were a year ago because

849
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: of all the injuries.

850
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll definitely be cleaner, I know for sure. Versus

851
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 6: gaps game teams, teams that are going to traditionally do

852
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 6: like some of your double team base blocks and pool guards. Right,

853
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 6: those guys that are doing the double teams, Rodick probably

854
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 6: won't be able to come up to the next level as.

855
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 8: Early zone teams.

856
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: Is really hard to keep a guard unless you holding

857
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 6: them in Klais may have something to use. He got

858
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 6: long arms and no quick snug and hopefully it doesn't

859
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 6: get called. It's really hard to keep a guy clean

860
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: because guys are running away hoping that the D line

861
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 6: is lateral and guys can get up to the next level.

862
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: But Mac Wilson, he's my favorite player. The physicality that

863
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 6: he plays with that I saw last year. The intelligence.

864
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 6: He's going to be a guy that it doesn't care

865
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: if somebody comes up or not. He's gonna be making.

866
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: Plays and we'll see him rush the passer. I mean,

867
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 5: I don't think he's just gonna be that prototypical stand

868
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Speaker 5: in the middle of the field, be that Mike. You're

869
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Speaker 5: gonna see him towards the line of scrimmage. We have

870
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Speaker 5: at least so far out here at Cards camp at

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Speaker 5: State Farm Stadium. We continue here, yes, live on location

872
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Speaker 5: is the Cardinals red seat report, myself, Paul Calvic, Lorenzo Alexander.

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Speaker 5: As we continue here, we come back James Connor, Trey Benson,

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Speaker 5: two starting running backs maybe on the field at the

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Speaker 5: same time. We'll get into that as we continue. That's

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Speaker 5: up next here on the Arizona Cardinals Radio network.

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Speaker 2: UR and the pistol takes the snaff and hands it

878
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Speaker 2: off Connor running left, and Connor's in for the touchdown.

879
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: He got hit at the tube and bounced right off

880
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Speaker 2: at a fender.

881
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Speaker 4: Just line up and give it to the quint essential

882
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 4: power running back and James Connor, and you just deliver

883
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 4: a metaphorical straight right hand to the face.

884
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: Hurray barking out the call, takes the snaff, hands it off.

885
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Benson running left, dives into the end zone. First first touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Give it to Trey Benson.

887
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Speaker 4: Let him get a little paydrgs a little grease for

888
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Speaker 4: Trey Benson.

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Speaker 8: Welcome back.

890
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Speaker 5: It is the Cardinals Red Sea Report, Greg Reyl, Loup

891
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 5: pul Calvic and Lorenzo Alexander talking about the running back

892
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 5: position and specifically about James Connor and Trey Benson. It

893
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 5: was post practice on Saturday, after the Red and White practice.

894
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Speaker 5: We had heard something similar from Jonathan Gannon at the

895
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Speaker 5: scouting combine in the offseason. Trey Benson said it, but

896
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Speaker 5: it's different when James Connor says it about he and

897
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Speaker 5: Trey Benson.

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Speaker 8: We both RB one.

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Speaker 12: That's how we've been approaching and looking at it, you know, truthfully.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 12: So he gonna play a lot this year, you know. So, yeah,

902
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Speaker 12: he just coming to work, you know, and just super talented.

903
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 12: You know, don't got to tell him.

904
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Speaker 8: Too much, you know.

905
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Speaker 12: He just a guy who loves football, is just growing

906
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Speaker 12: every single day. So he'll be just finally be ready

907
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Speaker 12: to roll this year.

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Speaker 5: Two starting running backs and said by the starter again

909
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Speaker 5: love it. Trey Benson can say it in the offseason,

910
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Speaker 5: but it did perk my ears when James says it publicly.

911
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well not if you know James. I mean.

912
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Speaker 6: And this just shows you the security he has and

913
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Speaker 6: who he is as a football player and as a

914
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Speaker 6: man and the leader in the locker room, because at

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Speaker 6: the end of the day, all he wants to do

916
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Speaker 6: is win, right, and he's older. People know who he is.

917
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Speaker 6: He doesn't have to prove his worth or his value

918
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Speaker 6: or his ability. And if you have another cat that's

919
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Speaker 6: in that room with you, that you see working hard,

920
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Speaker 6: that maybe mimics or mirrors a lot of your characteristics

921
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Speaker 6: and how you approach the game. As far as loving ball,

922
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Speaker 6: I don't. I'm a love on that. I wanted to

923
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Speaker 6: love you up man. I want to pay it forward.

924
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Speaker 6: Any understands that that's only going to help him later

925
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Speaker 6: in the year when he's win if they especially if

926
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Speaker 6: they make a deep run, he's gonna be fresher.

927
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Speaker 8: Hey, let's split this thing.

928
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Speaker 6: Let's both get carries and I'm gonna get strong in

929
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Speaker 6: the fourth quarter. But we all know who's gonna get

930
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Speaker 6: the ball when the game is on the line. It's

931
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Speaker 6: gonna be James Connell because of who he is and

932
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Speaker 6: what he's done in this league. But it's always great

933
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Speaker 6: to have other guys that can come in have the

934
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Speaker 6: same type of stand, the same type of passion for

935
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Speaker 6: the game that you love and trust that's going to

936
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Speaker 6: help you get to where you want to. And so

937
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Speaker 6: leaders and people that are securing themselves aren't afraid to

938
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Speaker 6: admit that they recognize that in other players.

939
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Speaker 3: Seventeen game regular season, I mean, hit zoom out. Everyone

940
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Speaker 3: needs two running backs. Not even Derrick Henry can withstand

941
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Speaker 3: that sort of workload, especially these days. But that's the

942
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Speaker 3: exact point in Mana Cardinals Underground the podcast. This team

943
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Speaker 3: has to prove it in November, December and January and

944
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Speaker 3: the really tough opponents. The tough part of the schedule

945
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Speaker 3: is the second half of the schedule. So you know what,

946
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Speaker 3: all the better if James is fresher and more prepared

947
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Speaker 3: to go, and if Trey Benson can come out there

948
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Speaker 3: and the way he looked those last two or three

949
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Speaker 3: games before the ankle injury, running more like James Connor.

950
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Speaker 3: And when I asked Trey Benson recently, Okay, what's your

951
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: weight at? Because he was listed last year at two sixteen.

952
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: You said, I'm playing anywhere between two twenty six and

953
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Speaker 3: two twenty eight, and I feel more explosive. I mean,

954
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Speaker 3: that's got our attention.

955
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 6: That's the second time you said, who these dudes working

956
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 6: out with? Man, I need to get on that regiment. Man,

957
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 6: you gain weight, feel more explosive facts.

958
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: No doubt about that. Here's my question real quick. And

959
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: this question asked James Connor and didn't really answer it.

960
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Speaker 3: So Zoe, I put it to you. What if they're

961
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: on the field at the same time, two running back set.

962
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: You know that Lions game in Hall of Fame they

963
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: were talking about David Montgomery, Jumior Gibbs being on the

964
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: field a lot more together. What does that do to

965
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: a defense? Two running back sets?

966
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Speaker 6: And I actually competed against Houston. I can't remember who

967
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Speaker 6: they had. This had to be like twenty eighteen or nineteen,

968
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 6: and they and they gashed us on defense because they

969
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 6: came out in twenty person nail and we didn't know

970
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 6: who the fullback was and we couldn't We didn't close

971
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: the front right and so they would switch it up

972
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 6: on us and we were always like a step behind interesting.

973
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Speaker 6: They would hand it off to either guy and the

974
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Speaker 6: other guy became the lead blocker and they just had

975
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 6: advantageous blocking angle. So it's definitely a benefit if you

976
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 6: can bring out two guys and running backs, and if

977
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 6: you especially want to run the ball, because then you

978
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 6: don't know who the fullback is, you can do some

979
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 6: different things off of it. Obviously, both of those guys

980
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 6: can catch out of the backfield as well.

981
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: Yep.

982
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: And it does create some issues as getting the strong call,

983
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 6: setting the defense, and then really realizing who is going

984
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 6: to be getting the ball on the specific play. So

985
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 6: I think it would be an excellent strategy to kind

986
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 6: of sprinkle in and utilize, especially.

987
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Speaker 8: If you can really get something going with it, and.

988
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 5: You might be able to see it more in year

989
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 5: two with Trey Benson having a year under his belt,

990
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 5: more confident, more comfortable, Well that's me saying it. How

991
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 5: about we hear from Trey himself talking about his confidence

992
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: level heading into this season.

993
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 11: My confidence is kind of is through the roof right now.

994
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 11: And I have a reason to think like that because

995
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 11: I put in and worked with offseason and been working

996
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 11: with James, been working with the office, coordinating and working

997
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 11: with the running back all the running back guys, and

998
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 11: you know they've been on my back end. You know

999
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 11: they know what we got to do this year. So

1000
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Speaker 11: I'm very confident for sure.

1001
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: Going back to what you said, Paul about keeping James

1002
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 5: Connor fresh last year, two hundred and thirty six carries

1003
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Speaker 5: a career high to thirty six Trey sixty three. Now,

1004
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 5: he did miss those four games, but can you can

1005
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 5: you even those numbers just a little bit, Yes, James

1006
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 5: is going to get the bulk of it, especially late

1007
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 5: game situations, especially if the Cardinals have the lead. But

1008
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 5: can you close that gap a little bit between the

1009
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Speaker 5: two running.

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Speaker 3: Backs, No doubt you can, and I think we all

1011
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: expect that to happen. And what Trey also said during

1012
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: that interview was, you know, early last year, first couple

1013
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: of months of the season, he's looking for the home run.

1014
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: All right, a lot of college running backs come in

1015
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: the NFL, and then you know what, I'm gonna rip

1016
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: off a seventy yarder. Rarely happens in the NFL. And

1017
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Speaker 3: he said the thing he really learned from James Connor,

1018
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: take with the defense gives you and then see if

1019
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: he can create a few more yards by breaking a

1020
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Speaker 3: few more tackles, which James Connor is really good at.

1021
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Speaker 3: Here's the difference to me, and I said this in

1022
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Speaker 3: Cardinal's Underground. As well as Tred Benson can finish, he

1023
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: runs a legit four to three something. So whereas James

1024
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: Connor was among the league leaders in chunk runs last

1025
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Speaker 3: year and broken tackles, Trey Benson has the physicality to

1026
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: do that. But at some point when he gets his

1027
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: second or third level, he gone. I mean, he's he's

1028
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: gonna finish a long one this year. I think it's

1029
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: just a matter of time.

1030
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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it a ton here at cards camp,

1031
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 5: but yeah, I do like the fact that you could

1032
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 5: have both running backs on the field at the same time,

1033
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 5: whether sharing the backfield or one split as a wide receiver.

1034
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: So this was fun. You're welcome anytime. The door is

1035
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: always open when we can just kick Paul out too.

1036
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: If you just want to.

1037
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Speaker 8: Call me my man, Jim All hits me up. You know,

1038
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Speaker 8: our producer on the back ends.

1039
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting, you know, when you get round to

1040
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: the big wait in the weight room. No me know,

1041
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: I'll jump in. I'll jump in.

1042
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: Call me then, special thanks behind the scenes, our executive

1043
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 5: producer Jim Mama Andro or So, Shit producer Cody Fincher,

1044
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: Technical director Matt Lazareth for Lorenzo Alexander, Paul Calvesy, I'm

1045
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 5: Craig rayl Lou. We'll talk to you in one week's time.

1046
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 5: He unfortunately got to be back back in Tempe leaving

1047
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: Cards camp, but we'll talk about that next week. Here

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Speaker 5: on the Cardinals Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: a Baker with the sack strip the ball. Hurry's gonna

1052
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