1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. Thank 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I feel like these days 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: there is something everyone can agree on. We are in 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: a tough we are in an unforgiving political climate. There's 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: a lot of fear, finger pointing and fear mongering going 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: on on both sides, and there's a lot of misinformation 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: circulating these days. It's confusing sometimes to know what you 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: read and to know if it's true or not. People 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: are losing their jobs and positions, and you know, we're 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: not just talking about federal employees. That certainly has made 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: a lot of headlines and high level officials. There is 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: a story here in New York that caught our attention. 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: A college student at New York University NYU was pushed 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to resign her position after she gave a few quotes 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: to Vanity Fair magazine in an article about her fellow student. 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: You might have heard of him, Baron Trump. That student 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: is cut Walker. She was the New York University chapter 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: president of the College Republicans. But shortly after that Vanity 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: Fair article was published on February twelfth, Kaya was asked 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: to resign her position by the College Republicans. While also 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: I think in the same breath inviting Baron Trump to 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: become a member. Kaya is now joining us to talk 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: about what happened the aftermath, how she's doing now, and 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: what she actually said that was so terrible. Kya, thank 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: you for being with us, Thank you for having me. 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: How you doing. 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: I'm doing a lot better than I was maybe this 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: time last week. So I'm hanging in here. 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: Okay, how was it at this time last week? Described 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: for me? You said it's better now? How bad was it? 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: Okay, So this all happened. I'm in London right now. 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: So it happened like in the wee hours of Monday 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: morning for me, Sunday night for you guys, and a 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: call I got calls on the phone about this interview 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: I had done. That was, you know, circulating online, and 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: I spent the entire night awake on the phone, just 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: talking to people trying to see what was going on, 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: because you know, I have this distance between me and 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: what's going on on campus in New York, and I 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: was just I was seeing comments online coming in and 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: I was I was kind of freaking out, so I 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: didn't get I hadn't gotten much sleep, I wasn't really 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: eating and I was just very worried. 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: Okay, worried, what though, Well, what did you see that 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: you thought, Oh, you started getting calls and all this stuff, 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: But what was your understanding of what the problem was 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: and what you had done? 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: Well? 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: Well for you know the way that I've you know, 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: kind of interpreted it, It's it's a semantic issue really, 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Like I had given this interview to Vanity Fair, and 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: part of the quote that was used in that article 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: was made a headline by another publication, the Independent, and 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: that was picked up by other publications around and it. 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: Was spread on Twitter. 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: I've heard that, you know, the word for what happened 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: to me is cide of Genesis. 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: So this quote that I took, I said. 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: That the quote was, you know, Baron Trump is an 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: audity on campus, something along those lines. 61 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: He goes to school, he goes home. 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: That that was the quote, and it was made a 63 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: headlined to make it seem that, like like I was 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: saying that there was something wrong with him being a commuter. 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: So so that's essentially what happened. That's what people were 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: really upset about. 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 5: And yeah, you put the word oddity in the same 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 5: sentence as Baron Trump and even though you meant it 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 5: that it's unusual that he isn't staying on campus. 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: It people inferred that you were just saying he was odd. 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Is that your understanding, Yeah, it's. 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't even that, like, I wasn't even saying that 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: he like that was odd that he didn't stay on campus. 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: But it's like the phenomenon of having the president's on 75 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: your campus. It's something very it's you know, it's a 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: new experience. It's it's a rarity. I'd say that's the 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: word that I could have used, but people took issue 78 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: with the word oddity, and that's. 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: Why I'm here. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: Cay, you give us a better idea if you have 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: some specifics that you remember what kind of things were 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: coming at you from people that might've even surprised you. 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: One word oddity and one little quote turned into something, 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: at least as far as I read, some pretty nasty 85 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: stuff coming your way. Can you give us some examples 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: and an idea of the stuff people were saying to you? 87 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, people, people's reaction online was yeah, I know, it 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: was terrible. I was reading all these comments on Twitter 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: because that's where it really blew up. People were making 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: speculations about I don't know my race. People were people were, 91 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, saying that I needed to be punished, stuff 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: like that, and and you know, just saying that I 93 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: was like a terrible person. 94 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 4: A bunch of misogynistic stuff as well that I read. 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: You know, it was pretty bad. 96 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: But these are just strangers on the internet that obviously 97 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: didn't read the original article that was I would say 98 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: it was pretty fine. I was actually really happy with 99 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: the original article, like I thought it was. 100 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, it was fine. 101 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: I didn't say anything wrong, and I don't think I 102 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: said anything wrong. Still, I was making a completely agnostic statement. 103 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: It wasn't positive, It wasn't negative. It was more of 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: an observation of how things are like on campus. With 105 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: the president's son in attendance that said. 106 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Kaya, wow, you are twenty one, twenty two. 107 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 4: I'm twenty one, yet you're twenty. 108 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: One years old. Have you ever experienced you know, we 109 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: all hear about getting canceled online social media comments going crazy, 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: and you can read about it and say, oh, that 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: must be a terrible experience, but to actually have lived 112 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: through it at the age of twenty one, tell me 113 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: how that felt. What it was like for you, and 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: probably even for your parents and your family and everyone 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: who loves you. 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, I didn't really expect this. 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: Like I said, it was a very innocuous sort of statement, 118 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: and I've given the same interview multiple times where I 119 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: said the same thing essentially. So I was just surprised, really, 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: and reading things online it made me very scared, to 121 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: be honest, But more than anything, I was worried about 122 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: my family because they would have to, you know, read this. 123 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: My mother very concerned, very very Yeah, she was very 124 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: upset about this, and that sort of made me. She 125 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: had been getting calls about this, people had been sending 126 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: it to her. I didn't really want to speak to 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: it about to speak speak about this to anyone, Like 128 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: I was very I was trying to keep to myself 129 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, stay focused on school over. 130 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: Here in London. 131 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk about it, but people kept 132 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: sending it to me, sending it to my family, and yeah, 133 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: I was. 134 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 4: I was. 135 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: I became more angry more than anything, because I just 136 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: thought that this was so ridiculous and I just I 137 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: just couldn't believe what was happening. 138 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: It's insane. 139 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: Your chapter of the College Republicans actually put out a statement. 140 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: I was surprised in reading the line that they said 141 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: that what you said was unfairly framed, and upon review, 142 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: we still found it inappropriate. I guess you read those statement, 143 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: What does that mean to you? Why would they take 144 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: that approach? They actually said, yeah, it was taken out 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: of context, but it was still inappropriate. I don't can't 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: make sense of that. 147 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that press release was from the College Problems 148 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: of America, which is technically like our parent, our national organization, 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: So my chapter didn't have anything to do with, you know, 150 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: me resigning at all. So essentially, what was happening, Like 151 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: I said, I was up all night last Sunday night. 152 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: What was happening was I was getting calls from them. 153 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: They were very upset. They had been asking me to 154 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: recruit Baron for months and I told him that that 155 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: wasn't a realistic sort of sort of thing, and after 156 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: this came out, they were very angry that. You know, 157 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: it essentially sounded like I was calling the president's son 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: weird after they had been trying to recruit him into 159 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: my chapter for however long that he's he's he's been 160 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: on campus. 161 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: So wait, Kanya, Do I have it right for a 162 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: second there? Do you this played into it? They're trying 163 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: to recruit their prize and they think you heard it 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: in some way exactly. 165 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 166 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it was a prospect personally, I 167 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: don't think going to happen. And I told them, I 168 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: told them that I was very honest with him about that, 169 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: and they in that in that same press release, they 170 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: made a statement welcoming him. Welcoming him in people have 171 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: been talking about him replacing me as president, which is 172 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: just not something that's going to happen. That's not realistic, 173 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: it's not reflective of reality. 174 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: But I feel like me, this whole. 175 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: Controversy surrounding you know this, that one word that I said, 176 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: it was kind of seen as an opportunity to, you know, 177 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: kind of get me out and replace me. 178 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: Look, I didn't get this, but this was this is 179 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: this is politics playing out on the college campuses. To 180 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: your point, what you're saying there about the College Republicans 181 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: of America president, he said in the statement, we are 182 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: extending an invitation to join our organization to the president's 183 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: and quote, he represents the future of the conservative movement, 184 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: and we will be honored to have him join College 185 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: Republicans of America. Are you were you just chop liver? 186 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: Are you just kind of you just kind of got 187 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: dismissed and ditched on the way to their ultimate goal? 188 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: Is that what happened to you? 189 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: That's certainly what it feels like. And I'd say, yeah, 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: that's an accurate statement. So they did acknowledge that I 191 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: was taken out of context by the Independent first, but 192 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 2: then they said it was inappropriate. 193 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: So I was kind of given the option before I resigned. 194 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: I was either given the option of not resigning, getting 195 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: decharted and getting put under the thrown under the bus, 196 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: or resigning. They they released a statement about how I 197 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: was taken out of context, but they still did end 198 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: up throwing the end of the bus. They said it 199 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: was inappropriate when it was an innocuous statement, very agnostic, 200 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: very very normal. 201 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: Kaya. The other thing that they said that the National 202 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Chapter said in regards to what happened, they said that, 203 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: rather than redirecting the inquiry to our communications team or 204 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: refuting the premise, she used language that did not align 205 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: with our standards of professionalism and responsibility, inadvertently contributing to 206 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: a misleading and negative portrayal, are you not. Has it 207 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: ever been told to you before that you cannot speak 208 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: on behalf of your chapter, that you aren't allowed to 209 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: give interviews. 210 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: No, And that's the funny thing. 211 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: So I actually sent the article to their press secretary 212 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: after it came out, and she was very happy about 213 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: it because I had given this exact interview multiple times. 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: I've always fielded questions, but that's what people are interested 215 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: in nowadays. They just asked me questions about Baron, and 216 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: I've been answering, I've never been seen him on campus. 217 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: I've never obviously, I've never met him, but people ask 218 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: me questions. You don't even have to be the president 219 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: of the College Republicans on campus to be asked about Baron. 220 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: You can just say I go to NYU, people ask you, 221 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: have you seen him? Have you like, what's it like 222 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: having him on campus? And like you could be at 223 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: the dinner table with your grandmother, She'll ask you this 224 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: sort of questions, kind of like the experience of being 225 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: a student at NYU nowadays. 226 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: So, guy, it's funny. My daughter, I've asked her and 227 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: she was telling me that when she sees Secret Service 228 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: or when she you know, so, yes, it is a 229 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: topic of interest. Probably one of the main reasons is 230 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: we have not heard from Baron. Baron hasn't isn't a 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: public figure, He doesn't have public social media accounts. Some 232 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: people I don't even know that I know what his 233 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: voice sounds like. So because and we've talked about this 234 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: so many times, when you don't hear from someone directly, 235 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: people fill in the voids or are begging other people 236 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: to do the same. So I'm curious, do you regret 237 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: resigning now everything that you know what's happened. If you 238 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: had to go back to that night when they called 239 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: you and they said what they said, what do you 240 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: wish you would have done? 241 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, for sure, I wish I would have waited 242 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: it out because I was just very scared. Like I've 243 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: never I'm yeah, I'm I'm a young lady. I've never 244 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: gone through anything like this before in my life. I 245 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: kind of saw this whole endeavor of being involved with 246 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: the College Republicans as something I did for fun, to 247 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: make friends and you know, kind of make my give 248 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: us the presence on campus. And I was very happy 249 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: doing that the past four years. But yeah, it just yeah, 250 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: I didn't expect any of this to happen, and yeah, 251 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with it even now. It's just it's kind 252 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: of like a fever dream to me, honestly, Like I 253 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: can't believe this is happening. It's the most instant thing 254 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: that's happened to me in my life. And I'm just gonna, yeah, 255 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: I wish I had not resigned. I've been I've built 256 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: up my chapter so much. I've been putting a lot 257 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 2: of my time and energy into into what I've been 258 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: building on campus, and I was very I'm very proud 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: of it. Still. I love all those kids that you know, 260 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: my members, they love me too, Like they they wish 261 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: I didn't have to resign. 262 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: They were telling me not to. 263 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: Actually I was getting that advice a lot, like don't resign. 264 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: But it's like I said, I was giving that choice 265 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: between yeah, being thrown under the bus entirely or being 266 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: thrown to the bus partially. So it was a very 267 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: hard choice and I was like very sleep deprived, and 268 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: I yeah, I was just I made that statement just 269 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: so I could get a break, because I was getting 270 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: a barrage of all this attention. I really didn't. 271 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: Want it cal you mentioned you kind of joined the 272 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: College Republicans. You thought it was a good networking opportunity 273 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: for you. But I assume you only joined the College 274 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: Republicans because you in some way politically align with Republicans. 275 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 3: So let me ask you that officially on the record here, 276 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 3: since everybody went to come at you and say you 277 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: were some anti Trump in some way, But would you 278 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: consider yourself a Republican the conservative and have been a 279 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: Trump support? 280 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: Yes, for sure. 281 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: I also I knocked on doors for him. So, like 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: I grew up in for the most part, in New 283 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: York City, as you can imagine, Like I to New 284 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: York City public schools and I was the only person 285 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: in my school who who thought this way, and I 286 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: would I would have discussions with my friends, and they 287 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: were friendly discussions most of the time. But I've always 288 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: had to, you know, to to defend what I believe in. 289 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: And I went into college and I and I looked 290 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: for people who thought like me because I'd never met them, like, 291 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: not even my parents at home. My parents are both Democrats, 292 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: so so you know, I was kind of looking for 293 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: my community, and I wanted to make friends, and that's 294 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,479 Speaker 2: how I got involved I'm certainly a Republican. 295 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: Parents made any jokes or anything as Democrats like, see, we. 296 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: Told you not to be messed with Republicans. 297 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: That's I've gone that so much. My mother told me. 298 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, my mother told me I should reconsider who I 299 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: who I associate with. And honest I do think she's 300 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: She's right, Like, there are some people who are cowards 301 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: out there, who who I think don't reflect well on 302 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: our party. And and they're just they're they're opportunistic, they're 303 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: they're careless, like they don't really care about you know, 304 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: chapter or you know, with a good work I'm doing 305 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: with these kids. I've been getting compliments like the past 306 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: year before this happened about how I was running my 307 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: chapter and how I was doing such a good job. 308 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: And to see them turn on me very quickly was 309 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: something that was so disappointing. And yeah, I'll never forget it. 310 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: It's a good lesson. 311 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a hard lesson to learn at your age, 312 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: but it is a good lesson that will serve you well. 313 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: Some of us have learned it a lot later in life. 314 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: But I'm curious you said when you read the article 315 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: that Vanity Fair put out you were happy with it, 316 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: you were proud of it. So I'm curious where your 317 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: frustration lies. It's not with vanity fair, is it, or 318 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: in that sense, the mainstream media. Is it more that 319 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: certain people caved to social media pressure? Where do you 320 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: think the pressure came from? And this knee jerk reaction 321 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: of asking you to resign? Do you place fault in 322 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: anyone corner, in anyone's corner? Who who is to blame 323 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: for all of this? In your mind? 324 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: In your opinion, that's a that's a hard question, Like 325 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: I do. I mean, it's easy to blame myself, honestly, 326 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: because I did the interview in the first place. But 327 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: I really don't think there's anything wrong with what I said. 328 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'll stand on that like I'll die on that hill. 329 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna apologize for what I said either. 330 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: Like what I said was was very it was very 331 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: it was very normal. It's something that anybody could say 332 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: if you went to NYU. It's an observation. This whole 333 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: situation I feel was made worse by you know, forcing 334 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: me to resign. I feel like this could have been 335 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: a lot more like it could have I had to 336 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: resign for appearances. 337 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: Really, That's that's the way I see it. 338 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: And I've like, I've been told, you know, not to 339 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: give any statements, to to shut up essentially. I've I've 340 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: been told not to give any statements anywhere by by 341 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: people in high places, and I'm I'm obviously not doing that. 342 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: I need to clarify what I said and you know, 343 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: kind of explain the circumstances of my current predicament. I 344 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: feel like this was, yeah, this was seemed like an 345 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: opportunity to you know, gain some political clout for some people. 346 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: And I'm not going to name names, but I just, yeah, 347 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: I wish that we I wish that, you know, the 348 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: people that I would have otherwise, you know, kind of 349 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: expected to come to my defense. And you know, you know, 350 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: it's one thing to you know, like point out that 351 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: I had been taken out of context, but and to 352 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: say that I'd been taken out of context, that it 353 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: was more delicious and to actually you know, defend my 354 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: right to say that, especially after I've said it so 355 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: many times that this is what it's like on campus. 356 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: I just wish that people had you know, stood up 357 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: and you know, just yeah, stood on business and and been. 358 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: There for me. 359 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: I've had plenty of people there for me who've you know, 360 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: shown me how much they you know, checked in on 361 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: me this past week, showed me how much they loved me, 362 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: and that's been getting me through. But I'm just very 363 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: disappointed with certain people, yeah who who who claim to 364 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: care about this organization. I've been very disappointed in them 365 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: and their inability to actually stand up for their ideals 366 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: and stand up for their people. 367 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: So, yeah, you said you don't want to name names, 368 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: but we can tell you want to, but we're not 369 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: going to push. 370 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: I certainly do. 371 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: I've been I've been told not to. 372 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: That's that's all. I respect that. Respect that because you're 373 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: respecting that. But I have to ask. It is kind 374 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: of early, so maybe don't have an answer yet. Does 375 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: this Is this possibly going to cause you to change 376 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: or reconsider in some way your politics and your party? 377 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: Uh No, I don't think so. 378 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 5: Not. 379 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: I I stand from what I believe in. I just 380 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: I just have like severe trust issues right now. I'm 381 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: very Yeah, I'm not gonna yeah, I'm I'm just I'm 382 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: gonna be a lot more careful with, you know, trusting 383 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: people in politics. Like I don't think I'm the most 384 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: political individual in the world. Actually, Like I don't think 385 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: I like politics. I just I have a certain sense 386 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: of beliefs. I have this affiliation with the party, and 387 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: I've always looked for an affinity with other people who 388 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: thought the same because I didn't find that when I 389 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: was growing up as a kid. So that's what I've 390 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: been looking for. I've been having lots of fun doing it. 391 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: I've been able to campaign. I've met really cool people, 392 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: and the kids at NYU, like my Republicans, like they're 393 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: so like they're great kids, all of them. And yeah, 394 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: I'm very proud of what I've I've done the past 395 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: four years. And I don't think this is the end 396 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 2: for the end for me in this political space. But 397 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: I have so many other things that I want to 398 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: do with my life, Like, I have so many other 399 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: things going for me, So I don't I don't like 400 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: maybe this has happened to me, Like a year or 401 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: two ago, I would have thought, oh, this is the 402 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: end of the world. But yeah, I have so many 403 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: people who love me, like my family, my friends, that 404 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: and I do well in school and you know, I 405 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: work hard, So I don't think that this is the 406 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: end for me by any means, I'm going to continue. 407 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: I love that. For all the people out there who 408 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: took to social media and accused you of being anti 409 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Trump or anti Republican, or a closeted Democrat, whatever they 410 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: wanted to say, can you and I know you've probably 411 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: had to give this speech to your parents even but 412 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: what is it about the Republican Party and your belief 413 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: system that makes you feel the way you do about 414 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: this administration? Given all of the headlines and unrest and 415 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: change and upheaval that's happened. Tell us why you are 416 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: supporter of Trump and the Republican Party. 417 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 418 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: So, essentially, like I just grew up in a way 419 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: that was naturally conservative. I leaned that way, and I 420 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: wanted I want to be represented by you know, candidates 421 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: who are you know, support free speech on food, support 422 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: free commerce, things like the individual individual liberties, limited government. 423 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: That's something that I've always valued very much, religious freedom. 424 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: You know. 425 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: I just want to be able to live my life 426 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: in a way that is, you know, as uninhibited as possible. 427 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: I'm not I used to be like a libertarian when 428 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: I was when I was like a young person, but 429 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: you kind of realize that you have to live in 430 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: a society with rules and then it's not you know, 431 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: a free for all like that. And I aligned myself 432 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: with the Right because I just found all of my 433 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: my sort of values reflected in them. I wouldn't say that, 434 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: I'm like I I stand firm in that and like, 435 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not going to change my party affiliation. 436 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: I'm not a closetive, closetive Democrat. I've I've I've never 437 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: heard that one before. Honestly, like my entire life, I've 438 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: had to you know, stand on business about being thinking 439 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: the way that I do. 440 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: So that's a new one. 441 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: But but yeah, I just I, like many Americans, I 442 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: just want to I want my family to be able 443 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: to afford groceries, for instance. And I feel like between 444 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: the two parties there are differences and how we would 445 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: address that sort of problem, like cost of living is 446 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: a huge thing. 447 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: But I. 448 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: Veer towards the way that Republicans are trying to solve 449 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: that problem. And it's just I disagree about this with 450 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: my mother, with both both my parents, but it's just 451 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: the way things are of half of America thinks one way. 452 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: Half of America thinks another and I just yeah, I 453 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: just leaned towards the right. It's just how things turned out. 454 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: I can't do anything about it. 455 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: Bet, holiday dinners are fun though, right, No, for sure? 456 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: Can you tell me that you called, yes, you use 457 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 3: the word oddity, but and you also said that other 458 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: folks from the National Chapter and whatnot who wanted him 459 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: to be a part Barren to be a part of 460 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: the group on NYU campus. You said it was pie 461 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: in the sky. You knew it, but they didn't know it. 462 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 3: How do you know that's an idea being on campus, 463 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: we know he's there, but a day to day life 464 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: or an NYU student. Do you even feel his presence 465 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: in any way? 466 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean you feel it in that like 467 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: people from externally will ask you about him, like I mentioned, 468 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: but also like people on campus sort of make a 469 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: frenzy about it. Like I remember, we had just maybe 470 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: in September, we had just heard the news that he 471 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: was matriculated in the school. We were like we were recruiting. 472 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: We were we had like a club fest where we 473 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: had like a bunch of you know, we had table 474 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: set up and we were kind of. 475 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 4: Like marketing our clubs. So we were marketing the College 476 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 4: Republicans on campus, and people would come up to us 477 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: and be like, oh. 478 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 2: Is Baron a member? Is Baron a member? And it's 479 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: it's that sort of hysteria that occurs on campus and 480 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: also online because people are are obsessed with with this 481 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: this kid, Like it's just it's kind of like they 482 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: form like this parasocial relationship with him, and and they 483 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: you know, expect, yeah, you become a part of it 484 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: because you're on campus. But I've never actually I've never 485 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: seen him. I don't go to the business school. 486 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't. 487 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 2: I just know that's he's followed by security detail and 488 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: he doesn't really stay around campus. Like the big The 489 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: thing that I thought was crazy and this whole ordeal 490 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: was because people were saying that, oh, I did the 491 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: same thing. I went to class and I went home. 492 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: I did the same thing. I was a commuter too, 493 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: And I'm like, when I'm in New York, I am 494 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: also a commuter. Like unless I have something to do 495 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: with I'm meeting up with a friend for like lunch 496 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: or something, or I have a cr event to go to, 497 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: I go straight home too. 498 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: I have a long commute. 499 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 2: I don't have time to stick around, and I have 500 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: plenty of work to do, so I just thought that 501 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: this is all insane, and yeah, it's been a predicament, but. 502 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a total misunderstanding. If you could say anything 503 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: to President Trump right now, what would you say, I. 504 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: Mean, keep doing what you're doing. 505 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: I campaign for you, and obviously, yeah, I'm a fan, 506 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: and I don't know what else does. I've never had 507 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: to really defend my book my beliefs like this is. 508 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I've had to defend my beliefs to you know, 509 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: my family and people who think i'm adversely, but I've 510 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: never been accused of, you know, being a. 511 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: Fake Republican or anything like that. That's sort of insane. 512 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: You know. 513 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: We asked that what you would say to President Trump? 514 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this way another way. Do you 515 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: think he would be at all at odds with what 516 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: you said? 517 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope not, because what I said, 518 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with what I said. I wasn't attacking anybody. 519 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: But also I feel like there are bigger things out there. Yeah, 520 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: they're bigger, Like he's the person, he's the leader of 521 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: the free world. I feel like he has bigger things 522 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: to worry about than some some random college student giving 523 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: an interview to Vanity Fair. I wasn't even the only 524 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: person interviewed in that in that piece, like there were 525 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: other NYU students asked about the same sort of phenomenon. 526 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know, obviously it's it's it's I wouldn't 527 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: say it's like something I think about every day that 528 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: the president's son goes to my school, but when I asked, 529 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: I do think about it then, and I'm asked very 530 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: often enough that it's something that I give a response 531 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 2: to because that's just the I'm trying to explain the 532 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: reality of what things are like. 533 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: And Kai, I hope you don't mind me saying this. 534 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people will just hear you. We don't 535 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: have too much of a video element to this, but 536 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: I can see you're talking to us, and I can 537 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: see your chest is blotchy like this, like your emotions 538 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: are coming forward, just physically even, And I just want 539 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: people to understand. You read a story like this and 540 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: you think it's nothing and silly or whatever, but the 541 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: impact is significant on a personal level. To go through 542 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: something like this at your age is traumatizing, to say 543 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: the least. You mentioned that you have learned a lesson. 544 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: What are you going to take from all of this 545 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: and how are you going to apply it to your life? 546 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: You know, talk about your plans and how you're going 547 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: to use this experience to maybe be a little more 548 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: wise in the ways of the world as you start 549 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: out on your life. You're twenty one, you're graduating in 550 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: a couple of months, So do you have any idea 551 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: how this will impact your way forward? 552 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 553 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: So so, really, I think that I've in this whole ordeal, 554 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: I've kind of showed myself that you know, I've I've 555 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: gone through I feel like like any young woman, I've 556 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: gone through, you know, crises in my life, and I 557 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: just I feel like I've gotten better at dealing with 558 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: them as I've gotten older, and the fact that I'm 559 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: like I am, I'm very disturbed at what happened to 560 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: be honest, like it has been manifesting physically, like you said, but. 561 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 4: I've I've gotten better at dealing with them. 562 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: Like It's never the end of the world, Like I'm 563 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: always going to have people, you know, who are there 564 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: for me, who are going to reach out to me, 565 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: and who loved me, who I love back and I'm 566 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: going to continue to lean on those people and you know, 567 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: trust beeople who deserve my trust, and I'm going to 568 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 2: you know, focus on the endeavors that like I've been spending. 569 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: Like I've told you, I've dedicated the past four years 570 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: to this organization and I'm still very dedicated to my chapter. 571 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 4: But I'm going to I just have so much much. 572 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: Out there for me, Like I think I've worked hard 573 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: in my entire life, and I'm not going to let 574 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: something like this really, you know, push me, push me 575 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: off track. 576 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: I'm going to still dedicated to your chapter. Is what 577 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: got me the again. I guess you're holding a more 578 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: against the national chapter than the local one having responsibility. 579 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: But that was just kind of big of you to 580 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 3: hear you say something like that. These folks have kind 581 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: of put you through hell, you're still committed to the 582 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: organization on campus. 583 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: No, No, the organization on campus didn't do anything to 584 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: me like these like I'm telling you, Like we are 585 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: the most like laid back sort of like our meetings. 586 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: We meet once a week. 587 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: All we do is eat pizza and talk like it's 588 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: not it's not an a thing like super sophistic kid 589 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: like we have debates sometimes with the Democrats, but it's 590 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: not anything like we're we're just we're all friends. 591 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: Like I love all those kids. 592 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: I can say it a million times, and they've supported 593 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: me through this, like my my, like my kids at 594 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: n YU, Like we're all pretty solid. 595 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 4: We're good, we're good kids. I'd say. 596 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: We've just kind of had the imposition of these of 597 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: the National Chapter, i'd say, and other other organizations that 598 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, kind of have yeah, sort of disrupted, are 599 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: sort of fun. The fun that we've had together in 600 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: the past four years, i'd say. 601 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: And the last thing here, I want to ask, because 602 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: you mentioned in earlier said some things were coming at 603 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: you and folks were mentioning and asking about your race. 604 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: How did that factor into I'm sitting here looking at you. 605 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: I don't know your background, people hearing your voice don't 606 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: know it, but it was race. What is your background 607 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: and did race to have any do you think factor 608 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: in all of this? 609 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my mother's Dominican, my father's My father's just 610 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: from New York like I I, I'm a black woman, Like, 611 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 2: I don't think it had any factor into you know, 612 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: how I was forced to resign, But the comments that 613 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: people left online definitely did have to do with that, 614 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: because maybe like the fourth organization that kind of you know, 615 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: picked this story up was was a groper page. 616 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 4: I'd say, so these. 617 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: Are like, you know, I don't I don't really know 618 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: what to call them, not I'm not too familiar, but 619 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: these are people who are obsessed with that sort of thing. 620 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: And I don't think they're not Republicans. I wouldn't say 621 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: they're just just nasty people. So they picked it up 622 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: and they made Yeah, they made it a big deal. 623 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: You know. The way that I looked the pictures that 624 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: they that were circuling latering on online were from me 625 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: when I was maybe like seventeen eighteen. I mean, I 626 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: used to straighten my hair then I looked I looked 627 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: a lot whiter than I do now that I have 628 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: these locks in. But like it was just insane. They 629 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: were coming at me from all all angles. So that's 630 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: just like weird people online. I wouldn't Yeah, it's just 631 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: it was weird to read. I'd say, I've never heard 632 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: anybody talk to me like that before. Eric been called 633 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: as many names as I have, but I don't know, 634 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: I don't know any of those people, and I think 635 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: that they, Yeah, I have my own life, I have 636 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: my own problems. 637 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: I just I'm going to focus on that well. 638 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, it is a very tough lesson to 639 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: learn at any age, and especially at yours. Bakaya, you 640 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: have handled yourself with so much grace and so much dignity, 641 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: and we really appreciate you coming on to talk about 642 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: what you said while you're unapologetic about what you said 643 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: and the reaction that you're having to deal with at 644 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: the age of twenty one. I mean, I'm super impressed 645 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: with you, and I know you. As you've said. All 646 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: the people who know you know who you are and 647 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: love you, and I'm sure they're a little concerned right now. 648 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is an environment that none of us 649 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: have really experienced before. It's a tough world out there online, 650 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: and we're just really sorry you had to deal with it. 651 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: But we really appreciate you coming on. And I love 652 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: that you're still talking. I love that you didn't go 653 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: crawling a hole somewhere. I love that you didn't let 654 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: other people speak for you, that you're taking ownership of 655 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: what you said, You're clarifying what you said, and you're 656 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: standing by what you said, So thank you, yeah, thank 657 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: you Kia for being here. We wish you the very best, 658 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: good luck and early congratulations on your graduation that's coming 659 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: up in just a couple of months. 660 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: Thank you, take care of Broth with you.