1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: here and uh Buck. We have we've made it to 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the end of the week. But man, fun week. We 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: got the second TV show out to the public and 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: uh it was a lot of fun. Yeah, a lot 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: of fun. Um Like the show is really coming together nicely. 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: We've had some great conversations with some great people. Uh. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Some of those we're gonna share today, obviously with Hall 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: of Fame MLB picture John Smalls. Like that conversation was 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: fascinating and I think we were able to snare just 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: a snippet on TV. Today we get a chance to 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: really put it out there for public consumption on the 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: audio podcast. Yeah, and if you missed the TV show, 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: uh eight pm Eastern Friday, we've got at twelve am 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: Saturday and uh four am and eight am. So if 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: just do me a favor if you watch the four 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: am version of the show, uh, please send us tweet 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: and uh and picture of your confirm of your takfast Yeah, 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: while while you consume that content. How Yeah, that is 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of funny for the Late night Crown, the late 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: night cron some Momori Day weekend, maybe some people that 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: ventured out, you know, maybe they're just settling back into 24 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: the house and they want want to click on a 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: little mood the sticks. See what's going on? Yeah, speaking 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: of Memorial Day, doesn't it doesn't it? Kind of it 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: felt always to me like Memorial Day was the beginning 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: of a little bit of the last bit of rest 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: before everything cranks up. Then once we get to July four, 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: there's like that time between Memorial Day and July four 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: is really kind of the sweet spot if you're a Scout, 32 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: because it's kind of like your rest period, and that 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: to me was like the official kickoff of Okay, we 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: can take a little bit of a break here. And 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: then as soon as July four came around and was like, 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: oh here we go. Yeah, because DJ you know, this 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: would coincide with um the grades being released like National 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: and Blessed though around this time each year, that's when 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: the grades would be released, and so you would get 40 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: the email with all the players in your area, but 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: you probably don't start digging into those guys into June. 42 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: So we're kind right at that point. But my body 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: clock is saying like Hey, it's about time to kind 44 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: of get ready to start gearing up, started looking at, uh, 45 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: the next class of prospects that are coming down the pipe. Yeah, no, 46 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's always fun to get a chance to 47 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: look at a bunch of new players. So, uh, we'll 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: be talking about those guys as we go through the process. 49 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: If you saw a little bit of the TV show 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: or if you listen to the last podcast we played 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: snippets of our conversation with Baseball Hall of Famer John 52 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Smoltsen and Buck I think some people might say, you 53 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: guys are football podcast. What are you doing talking to 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: a baseball guy? But John Smoltz was a great athlete 55 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: growing up, played football, played basketball, played baseball. So we 56 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: get a chance to visit with him on the importance 57 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: of multi sport athletes. But more than that, in this conversation, 58 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: we get a chance to talk to him about the 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: mindset of a champion, the comparisons between a picture and 60 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: a quarterback, his interactions with some of the greatest competitors 61 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: of all times. So there's a lot to learn from this. 62 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: If you're like Bucky myself, you'll have your you have 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: your pen and pencil or your pencil and paper out 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: right now so you can take some notes, because I 65 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: think you'll get a lot out of this interview. We're 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna roll in its entirety right now and we'll recap 67 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: it here at the end. So enjoy this one. Well. 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Could not be more excited to have our our next 69 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: guest with us here. It's Hall of Famer John Smoltz 70 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: joining the show. John. First of all, thank you so 71 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: much for taking the time for us today. My pleasure. 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. We we uh we obviously followed 73 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: your career, even as football guys follow your career all 74 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: the way through, but it was it was something that 75 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: you said at your Hall of Fame induction that really 76 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: stood out to us because you preach the message we've 77 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: been preaching for a long time and evaluating these players 78 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: as they come through our process, and that is get 79 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: away from some of the specialization that's out there. Let 80 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: these kids play multiple sports and develop as athletes. And 81 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: you told the story about how that was a very 82 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: key in your overall development. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I 83 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: grew up in a great place that seasons determined sports. 84 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Michigan didn't have the luxury of playing year around sports. 85 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: So some kids had the burdens of where they live 86 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: that you could play their sports all year on, and 87 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: we've gotten into a specialization that just don't understand from 88 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: an athlete standpoint, the well rounded nous, the balance. Uh, 89 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, I played football, played basketball. Basketball is actually 90 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: my first love. Baseball app happened to be something that 91 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: I would end up playing a lot longer and uh 92 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: professional career out of. But I consider all those sports 93 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: contributing factor to my my balance and what I was 94 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: able to do in sports. I really believe genetics and 95 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: athleticism is something parents don't understand. I think it's something 96 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that people think you can create and not necessarily enhance 97 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: the athlete by allowing him to specialize in one sport. 98 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: And for me, my gosh, this was this was the 99 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: the essence of who I was growing up. I got 100 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: a chance to play all those sports. When the season 101 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: changed in Michigan, that meant sports changed, you know, And 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: continue to the conversation, Um, so much of playing multiple 103 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: sports enhances the athlete, not only from a physical standpoint, 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: but learning from different coaches and playing different games and strategies. 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: What did you learn from those other sports that ultimately 106 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: help you become a Hall of Famer. When it came 107 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: to the baseball down, yeah, for me, it was figuring 108 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: a way, you know, whether I was limited a little 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: bit in basketball or limited a little bit in baseball's 110 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: figuring out a way of how to how to challenge 111 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: myself to become better. Basketball to me had the uniqueness 112 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: of I loved playing a point guard. I grew up 113 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: watching Magic Johnson and My City and Lansing, and I 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: loved facilitating and making others around me better. But it 115 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: was a sport I could work on, you know, by myself, 116 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: um necessarily, you know, shooting in the backyard. When it 117 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: came to playing football, although back then, you know, flag 118 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: football was all we could play up until the age 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: or maybe seventh grade. It was crazy how it's changed. 120 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: But being a quarterback and surveying the field and and 121 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: running the offense and all the different things, even at 122 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: that level was intriguing to me. And then when I 123 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: got to be in on the mound, it was basically 124 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: me and the hitter and the catcher. You know, I 125 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: determined a lot of what would go on after I 126 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: released the ball and trying to figure outweighs to become 127 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: a better pitcher. All with the other sports allowed me 128 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: to think mentally along with the game and physically adapt 129 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: to the game. And you know, my body as a 130 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: young player, um was a benefactor from all of those 131 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: things because I didn't consume a one sided sport. If 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: I'd have pitched and played baseball year round, there's no 133 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: doubt I would not have had the career I had. 134 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: There's no chance I make it to the Hall of 135 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: Fame because I would have been that kind of player 136 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: in a state like Florida, where, if the circumstances were today, 137 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: would have been forced to play one sport at an 138 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: early age. And I don't know that that would have 139 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: benefited me at all. You gonna lock some serious innings. 140 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: They can promise you that playing year round a lot 141 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: of people do in California and Florida. And I'm with you, John, 142 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: I think it just makes so much more sense to 143 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: be more well rounded athlete as we look at these 144 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: guys coming up through the college ranks as they come 145 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: into the NFL. Obviously it's an immediate transition from the 146 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: college field to an NFL field, but in baseball, you 147 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: gotta go through the minor league process, Um, was that 148 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: grind like for you? And how do you keep focused 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: on the day to day without getting too far ahead 150 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: of yourself and looking at the big leagues? Yeah, so 151 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: back then, which seemed like a hundred years ago, you 152 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: know that that the systems weren't quite the way they 153 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: are now. With all the equipment and technology and all 154 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: the things that you had your fingertips. You basically had 155 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: to learn yourself. We had one uh one coach. We 156 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't have more than the information that you were able 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: to gather from the previous games. So my thing about 158 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: my quest and my desire was, I'm going to figure 159 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: out a way. I'm gonna take notes, I'm gonna learn 160 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: from my failures. I'm gonna become better. I'm gonna motivate 161 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: myself in areas that made me think, um, you're lagging. 162 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: And then once the intel came along, once you climbed 163 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the ranks of the double A, triple A and you 164 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: started getting more coaching, that helped as well, so picking 165 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: the brains of other people asking questions, and to me, 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the biggest contributing factor for me being the player I was. 167 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to fail. I wasn't afraid to go 168 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: in try a pitch on the fly. There's no way 169 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: to know anything until you actually put it into play 170 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: in a game. I consider, you know, practice important and 171 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: bullpens were super important, but you know how many no 172 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: hitters guys throwing the bullpen, but they're afraid to go 173 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: out and across the line and try that curveball or 174 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: try certain things that the only way you've got to 175 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: find out under the gun. And then the mental capacity 176 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: of which were not even as we have so much 177 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: information analytically that I still don't think we have allowed 178 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: to know our athletes mentally what they're capable of doing. 179 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: And that transition will tell you a lot when you 180 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: have to play against much better competition and it's a 181 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: team game, but you're trying to individually move up into 182 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: the big leagues, which is ah, it's kind of a 183 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting twist in the minor leagues. 184 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: You know, John listening to you talk about pitching and 185 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: you really go in depth about the mental part of it, 186 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of it sounds like the approach their 187 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks take. So uh, DJ was my asses. But I'm 188 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: gonna ask you, um, when you're preparing to get ready 189 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: to start. What is your mentality like gearing up for 190 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: a start, because it sounds like the same mentality and 191 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: approach that a quarterback would take to get ready to 192 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: play a game on Sunday. Yeah, exactly. I mean there's 193 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities in the sense of information um 194 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: and understanding what you're trying to do in formulating the 195 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: game plan. Right. So, uh, the game plans have to 196 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: change if the opponents make you change them. I don't 197 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: think you have to change too much until you're reacting 198 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: to what they're doing to you. And I think personality 199 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with how people process the information. 200 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: For me personally, when I was preparing for a game, 201 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: especially a huge game of postseason game of Game seven, 202 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I was relaxed. I slept the night before. I didn't 203 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: overthink the game. I didn't think the game through before 204 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: I actually did it. I was prepared to my information 205 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: intel up until that point. I didn't go overkill with anything. 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: And then when the game is actually day, the day 207 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: of the game, I was at my best place with 208 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: energy and reserve to make the s decisions I had 209 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: to make. I consider as a quarterback, much like a 210 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: picture back, in our day, we had to make a 211 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: hundred thirty good decisions. That was a hundred thirty pitches 212 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a good game, and to make 213 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: those decisions come along with commitment, and you've got to 214 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: be committed. Making decisions is one thing, but being committed 215 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: is is crucial. And then learning how to adjust and 216 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: not let one decision affect another. That was not something 217 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: early on I was good at I let too many 218 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: pitches carry over into my next at bat or the 219 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: next inning, and that wasn't a good formula for success. 220 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: So I had to learn how to have that memory loss, 221 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: but at the same time have a commitment to know 222 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: that I'm good enough and better than the guy that's 223 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: standing at the plate. Because when you stand on the 224 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: mound in baseball, one of you has the edge and 225 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: they know it. The hitter knows it, or the picture 226 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: knows it. The the key is not to convey right, 227 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, let the execution play out, but don't let 228 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: that hit or know that he's better than you when 229 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: you're standing on the mound with your mannerisms or anything 230 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: like that. So it's it really is a chess game. 231 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of that, you know, compares 232 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: to a quarterback when he has very little time to 233 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: make important decisions and react on the fly and then 234 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: get right back in that situation again even if it 235 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: didn't go well. It's fascinating. Listen you talk about this, John, 236 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: because we talk about quarterbacks and the scouting process. The 237 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: three big things we've always focused on were accuracy, decision making, 238 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: and poise. And listen to you talk about pitching. You 239 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: see the carry over there between those three areas. And 240 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: I think about the sustained success you guys had with 241 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: your pitching staff, with you and Glavin and then Maddox 242 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: came over to have what fourteen consecutive division titles. And 243 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: I look at the Patriots and Tom Brady, who was 244 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: off the charts in those three areas, and you have 245 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that continuity there in New England and they win eleven 246 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: consecutive division titles. But what is it about that that 247 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: mindset at those important positions that can help kind of 248 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: lead a team through that sustained success. Yeah, I mean 249 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: we came off of not so good team and then 250 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: when we started developing pitching and then the big three 251 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: came along myself and and go having a matics. You know, 252 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: that was the anchor for our team to build around, 253 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: and we sustained that kind of consistency when a lot 254 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: of people thought over time, there's no way you can 255 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: live up to the previous years of success. And we 256 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: took it upon ourselves each and every year to become 257 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: a better version and to continue this run as long 258 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: as possible. And I think everybody, to a man would 259 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: would know that that even though we changed a lot 260 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: of pieces around us, we kept our pitching intact from 261 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: the starting staff, when back then the priority was to 262 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: pitch as bang innings as you can. I don't know 263 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: if today we would have been thought of as successful 264 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: because we weren't asked to do as much today, But 265 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: what what a run we were on, and what it 266 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: was almost like a challenge that each one of us 267 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: took individually that we were going to not disappoint our teammate, 268 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't gonna let down glab and Glavine was 269 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: gonna let down Matics. We were all going to be 270 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: at our best, but at the same time, check your 271 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: ego because one of those guys has a chance to 272 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: humiliate you if you're if you're caught up and wanting 273 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: to be the guy. So we we've put our egos 274 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: aside and we allowed every day to be something special 275 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: that we could possibly watch or be part of. And 276 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: it just ran for ten years for glading and I 277 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: went fifteen years. And you know what, winning never gets old. Uh, 278 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: to win fourteen straight divisions I maintained will never happen 279 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: again in any any era. But we were able to 280 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: be part of it. We will love to won more championships, 281 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: no doubt our sport. And much like football and the 282 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: and the rigors of postseason, you know, a twist here 283 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: or there can change the course of a really good team. 284 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: But we we were giving a lot of opportunities and 285 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: and and we we were better for it, you know, John, 286 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: And listening to you, it really sounds like from a 287 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: team building standpoint, like a team that builds around the quarterback. 288 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: You can put different pieces around them, but if the 289 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: quarterback is good enough and adaptable and flexible, he can win. 290 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: You talked about your brave teams. You guys had different pieces. 291 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: How does it affect you when you're bringing new guys 292 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: in even though the Big three was able to kind 293 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: of roll and you guys are kind of isolated at 294 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: starting pitcher. How does it affect you when the team 295 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: brings other guys in? Doesn't change your mind set at all? Well, 296 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: fortunately we have the same manager, and if a team 297 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: doesn't change a lot of coaches, you can create a 298 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: culture that everybody that comes in will be in time, 299 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: lockstep with it. You know, we we brought guys over 300 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: for other organizations. Just to give you an example, when 301 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: spring training would come around, we would go up to him. 302 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: I'd go up to and say, it's gonna take you 303 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: two weeks to get over the guilt. And they're like, 304 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Said, we don't mess around here, 305 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: we don't do much. We get in, we get out, 306 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: we get our work done. You're not used to that 307 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: from other organizations. And then once they saw what our 308 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: manager was trying to do in the culture he was creating, 309 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: he had three simple rules, three rules that nobody else had. 310 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: In in time is no music in the clubhouse, where 311 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: your headphones. You don't want to make anybody upset by 312 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: the music you're listening. And show up in time and 313 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: where your hat right. Think about those three rules. So 314 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: when you're bringing in new guys and they can understand 315 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: that those are the three simple rules. He'll treat you 316 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: like a man. All you gotta do is do your job. 317 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: You're more relaxing. You want to on through a wall 318 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: for your manager because he understands how hard that game is, 319 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna get caught up in the ebbs 320 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and flows, in the slumps of what you're currently doing. 321 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: He's not gonna view you based on the success or 322 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: failure of that given week. He's going to see the 323 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: long value of being available and have your confidence restored 324 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: and to play your butt off, show up on time, 325 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: be the best teammate you can be. And that's why 326 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: our culture was so good, because the three of us 327 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: made sure everybody else stayed in line with those three 328 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: simple rules. Sometimes when you have three simple rules, people think, oh, 329 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to take advantage of it. We 330 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: never let that, and guys who couldn't take care of 331 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: those three simple rules didn't last very long. Have you 332 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: got a chance to watch the documentary on the both John, 333 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to know just your takeaway after watching that 334 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: dynasty on television, after having been a part of a 335 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: dynasty in baseball, I have I watched it it was outstanding. 336 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I've got a chance to play with Michael Jordan and 337 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Goulf quite a bit along with Tiger Woods, two of 338 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: the most competitive, most fierce athlete in the in the 339 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: history of sports, and I understood real quickly what makes 340 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: them tick. It's an inner desire to be the best 341 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: and know they're going to make the shot or hit 342 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the shot, and if they don't, they're gonna get right 343 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: back on the saddle again. They're gonna do it again. 344 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: I think that dominance shows of what what Michael went 345 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: through when you're trying to become a champion, you know, 346 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: similar to what we went through. Uh, we were terrible. 347 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: Then we had to learn how to win that. We 348 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: had to bring guys in that taught us how to 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: win that. We had to finally Clint, you know, clinch 350 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: something wins something. And you know, we thought we were 351 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: going to run off four or five ourselves. But what 352 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Michael and the Bulls were able to do it just 353 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: transforms uh sports in a way where I don't know 354 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: that we'll ever see another guy like him. Um. Sometimes 355 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, as a leader, you're going to bear a 356 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: lot of opinions about yourself, even though they may not 357 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: be flattering, but if you've got a chance to lead 358 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: your team and make everybody around you better, that is 359 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: ultimately the goal of of a true competitor that wants 360 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to win championships. You know, John, there are a couple 361 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that have extensive baseball backgrounds that are on 362 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: the verge of winning championships where they've won championships, meaning 363 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Cala Murray, all of these guys 364 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: have enjoyed a level of success in baseball, but they've 365 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: been dominant football players. What do you think, Um, they've 366 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: been able to glean from baseball that's helped him be 367 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: successful as quarterbacks in the National Football League. Well, besides 368 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: all three of being obviously great athletes, their ability to 369 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: adapt with hand eye coordination and footwork. I mean, there's 370 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. I know, Russell Wilson played the infield, 371 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: so you can see why his feet were are so 372 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: incredible and why he can move around in the pocket 373 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: and do what he does his arm obviously throwing a baseball. 374 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: The other guys you mentioned can throw a baseball as well. 375 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: In the hand eye coordination I think goes hand in 376 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: hand you'd be surprised how many pictures or how many 377 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: baseball players can't throw a football. So it doesn't just 378 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: necessarily mean playing baseball is gonna allow you. I've thrown 379 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: a football in my whole career, in the offseason in tween. 380 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: That's how I kept my shoulder loose. I love throwing 381 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: a football. I wish I could have been a quarterback 382 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It would have went kind of like 383 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: this and lead the league in touchdowns and interceptions and sacks, 384 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: because I just don't I would never have thrown the 385 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: ball away. But I was nowhere near, nowhere near the 386 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: giftedness that these guys have to move in the pocket 387 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: and do things on the fly. And I think that's 388 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: where the baseball kind of athleticism comes in, because those 389 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: are some of the same movements you're trying to make, 390 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: although be able a smaller ball in your hand. And 391 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm and all of watching these guys. I love watching 392 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks do their thing. Um, you know, John Elway was 393 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: a baseball player, even think Dan Marino was pretty good 394 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: baseball players. So the combination of those two makes sense 395 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: when you think about certain skilled positions. And I say 396 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: this all the time to parents. I think they all 397 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: have a vision of what they want their child to become. 398 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: But I think the sports chooses the child. I don't 399 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: think we ultimately get a choice sometimes because you never 400 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: know what your body is going to grow into. You 401 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: may decide to be a hockey player, turned out to 402 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: be six ft eight, you're limited in the opportunities as 403 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: a hockey player. So the same thing in football and baseball. 404 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: I love watching these cross uh talents come to play 405 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: and and and see the greatness that those guys you 406 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: mentioned have become. Were talking about a cross sports You 407 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to play with our teammate here NFL 408 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: Network and Dion Sanders. Do you have a good prime 409 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: time story for us, John, I had so many. It 410 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: was one of the greatest types of my life to 411 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: play with Dion. He and I went at it in 412 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: every aspect of competition, between Game boy and basketball and 413 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: shagging flies. And the one thing that's so humiliating to 414 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: talk how great of an athlete he was, he gave 415 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: us a twenty I could. I was the believed or not. 416 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Doesn't look like it now, but I was the official 417 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: pinch runner early in my career as a pitcher who 418 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: played once every five days, if I would pinch run 419 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: because I became an extra player so I could run 420 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. So when Dion said, I'm gonna give 421 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: you guys, Steve Avery, myself and one other twenty yard 422 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: head start in the sixty yard dash and guarantee you'm 423 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: in a beach, like, yeah, bring it. There's no chance 424 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. And he did. I mean, this was 425 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: so gifted. And we would shag fly balls. So one 426 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: thing I can tell you about Dion is if there 427 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: was water, it didn't matter if it was a bathtub 428 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: and there was a fishing it, he was gonna fish 429 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: it right. He loved fishing, and so spring training he 430 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: came after. Every time we were done, we would go 431 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: to where we were at PGA Boulevard, PGA Lakes and 432 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: we would fish. And the trash talking and fishing is 433 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: unlike anything you've ever seen. And and Dion just loved competing. 434 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: I love competing. I wish our time together could have 435 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: been longer. But I say this about Dion in all sincerity. 436 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: If he put away bit football because he mastered it 437 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: from a defensive end, a defensive back standpoint, he would 438 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: have mastered leadoff hitter. He would have been what Ricky 439 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: Henderson was in our sport today, the greatest leadoff hitter. 440 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: I'm convinced of it. If that's all he decided to do, 441 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: he could have did it. And uh, it was a 442 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: blast playing with Dion for those short times there in Atlanta. Man, 443 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: that's that's fantastic. Quickly, because he played with another football player, 444 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: Brian Jordan's, who also played with ATLANTAFL. Brian Jordan's like 445 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: as a baseball player, how how much fun did you 446 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: have playing with him? Brian was another great guy. I mean, 447 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: this guy was a beast, right. He was built like 448 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: a brick house. I can only imagine hitting hitting somebody 449 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: in the in the defensive backfield, um and and and 450 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: he was the same kind of athlete in baseball. Unfortunately, 451 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: baseball gave him more nicks and bruises and little injuries 452 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't think baseball would have because he played 453 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: it so hard. He'd run into the wall, he was 454 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: diving in the outfield. Brian Jordan had a knack. And 455 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I played a ton of basketball with 456 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: Brian Jording a great basketball player. He had a full 457 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: court gym in his back basement here in Atlanta, and 458 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: so we would go and have these epic games, Uh 459 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: in his basement, and and just seeing his athleticism, athleticism 460 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: scream not only baseball, basketball, football. He's the prototype athlete 461 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: that you think would exist more today that has been 462 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: eliminated because of specialized sports. And and Uh, Brian and 463 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: I go go way back in all our our battles 464 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: of reading a gym. We we we played so much 465 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: basketball that we had to get referees because it was 466 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: starting to get out of hand and the calls, and 467 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: so we got referees to referee our games just to 468 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: keep it on the level. Oh, that is fantastic. Last 469 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: question for me, John, We've been so generous with your 470 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: time today. We do appreciate it. This is purely selfish. 471 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: As a kid who grew up in San Diego, UH, 472 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: and Tony gwyn was kind of all of our hero 473 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: growing up, I would love to know just a behind 474 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: the scenes on the other side of it. As somebody 475 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: that that faced Tony Gwynn and with the three of 476 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: you guys UH preparing to go up against him, I'd 477 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: love to know what that process was like. Well, first 478 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: and foremost, the number one question I get is who 479 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: is the nemesis that I had in my career as 480 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: Tony Gwen? I have nothing but respect. He was the 481 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: most is the greatest hitter of our generation. I believe 482 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: we're missing out on that today. And the athleticism that 483 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: he had. Nobody understood how athletic he was. He played basketball, 484 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: uh and he was able to do things on the 485 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: field that not a lot of people could. Let me 486 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: give you a stat that will blow your mind that 487 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: I still to this day and trying to figure out 488 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: how that happened. Maddox, Glavin, him, myself, we all struck 489 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: out close to nine thousand batters we faced Tony Gwinn 490 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: basically our whole career because we're in the same division 491 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: for the longest time. I believe we only struck him 492 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: out three times total between the three of us, and 493 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Maddox didn't get him at all. Glavin got him twice. 494 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: I got him once. And the ultimate battle and respect 495 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: that I had for Tony Gwinn, I had two memories 496 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: and I used to talk to him about it every 497 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: chance I could, when I see him at a card 498 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: show or not. But you know, I had a hard 499 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: time getting him out. He had four or forty four 500 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: off of me, which is not a small sample size. 501 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: We're talking thirty eight hits. I mean, this is something 502 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: I just couldn't do. So I had the ultimate respect. 503 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: I threw him a knuckleball one day and he just 504 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: sat there and looked at me and laughed. It was 505 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: as if that's the ultimate respect I could give him, 506 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: like I can't get you out. Here's a knuckleball. And 507 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: then the only other The other story I had with 508 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Tony Quinn is that I never threw a no hitter. 509 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: But when people asked me if I threw a no hitter, 510 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: I say yes, but I got robbed. It doesn't show 511 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: up in the score book. It was in the eighth inning, 512 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: two outs in San Diego. I had given up no hits. 513 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I think I had struck out twelve. I was in 514 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: his zone and Tony Gwyn was up. I knew if 515 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: I get him out that it's over. I'm gonna have 516 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: the no hitter. I feel that good. He hits a 517 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: five ball to left field, and Ryan Klesko was learning 518 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: to play left field. He's a former first baseman, and 519 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: it was he had to run about and he got 520 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: to the track and it hit his glove. You know, 521 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: probably should have caught it, and he dropped it. Well, 522 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: I knew that that would be an air. But we're 523 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: in San Diego, So what do you think happened? I 524 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: couldn't convince my manager to to let me pitch the 525 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: ninth because they will absolutely change the all the official 526 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: score has to change the call if it's the only hit, 527 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: he said. My manager said, I've been in this league 528 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: too long. It's not gonna happen. That's Tony Gwen. I'm 529 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: taking you out of the game. Well, to finish the story, 530 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't a violent person per se, but I went 531 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse and happened to break a few stools 532 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: that we're looking at me. And uh so when people say, 533 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, had you never threw a no hitter? I 534 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: kind of say I did, But out of respect to 535 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Tony Gwen, you know, I tell I would see him, 536 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, at the Hall of Fame or the card 537 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: so and say three thousand whatever, and what hits? Less one? 538 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: Just less one? Heat so good and this has been 539 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: so much fun for us, John, I can't thank you enough. 540 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: It's just what great insight and hopefully we get back 541 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: to the Seame Baseball on TV and get to get 542 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: your great insight once again. Man, I appreciate your time, 543 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: look forward to it. Thanks for having me guys well, Buck, 544 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: I think whatever our expectations were going into that interview, 545 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: they were exceeded by John Smoltz. He was terrific. Man. 546 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: It was terrific to kind of get inside the mindset 547 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: of an ultimate competitor, a guy who was one at 548 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: the highest level, and a guy who was a part 549 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: of one of the I guess the longest standing dynasties 550 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: in baseball, with the Atlanta Braids winning fourteen straight division titles, 551 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: and so being able to kind of uh listen to 552 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: how they were able to put it together, how they 553 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: built their team around the pitching staff, which is the 554 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: equivalent of pitching building a team around the quarterback, and 555 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: then just some of the great players and some of 556 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: the great stories. Um, it's just fantastic to bring guys 557 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: on like that because you and I are both uh 558 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: big multi sport athletes, and we also love the crossover 559 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: in terms of being fans of other sports. So I 560 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: felt like it was terrific blend to have John Smols, 561 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: come on and share. Yeah. My favorite part of the 562 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: conversation was the line that he used, which was um 563 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: being able to make a hundred and thirty good decisions. Yes, 564 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: talking about being a pitcher and uh, coming into a 565 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: game at that with his era, you know, you could 566 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: go little bit deeper in the game. So knowing that 567 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: you could throw up to a hundred and thirty pitches 568 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: and each it wasn't a pitch though, it was viewed 569 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: as a decision. What are you gonna throw, Um, how 570 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: are you gonna throw it? How are you going to 571 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: set a guy up? How are you going to attack him? 572 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: And I thought, man, that is the great correlation between 573 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: pitcher and quarterback, and that you can you can make. 574 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, if you're a quarterback and you throw the 575 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: ball forty five times, you can make forty two great decisions. 576 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Those three bad decisions, you're a bum. I mean that 577 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: you'll get crucified, you'll cost your team the game, and 578 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: you'll get you'll get lampooned by everybody in the media. Say, 579 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: all those three throws, those three interceptions cost you the game. 580 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: We made forty two good decisions. It was the three 581 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: poor decisions. So it's that it's that laser like focus, 582 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: down in and down out. And I go back to 583 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: what Michael Jordan said in the documentary The Last Dance, 584 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Bucket somebody said about him, right, it was his ability 585 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: to stay in the moment. Yeah, being able to stay 586 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: in the moment. And I felt like his um analogy 587 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: of the way that he kind of broke down pitching 588 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: definitely related to quarterbacks. And when he talked about the 589 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: decision making, you and I have talked about the most 590 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: important part of playing quarterback is not necessarily the arm talent, 591 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: but it's the judgment. What kind of decisions do they make? 592 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: Because the fortunes of the team rest on the decisions 593 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: that they make. And so when Smalls talks about I 594 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: had to make a hundred and thirty good decisions, it 595 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: is very, very similar to the quarterback because each and 596 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: every play he has the ball in his hands, and 597 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: how he takes care of the ball ultimately determines whether 598 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: our team wins or loses. Yeah. I also love the 599 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the other aspect of it, when you talk about John 600 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: Smoltzen and being competitive and playing that position. Buck Um 601 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: was the fact that every time a picture gets on 602 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: the mount and a batter gets in the box. We 603 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: both know who the better guy is, So how are 604 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: you going to go about that? And I thought, man, 605 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: what a mindset though, like right, and talk about kind 606 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: of that mental dominance. And again I keep this this, uh, 607 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: this Jordan documentary is so fresh in our minds. But 608 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: there's that psychological warfare that you have. And I can 609 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: give one example what I think I've told the story before, um, 610 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: but haven't worked with the Ravens. Ray Lewis was so 611 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: in the head of so many quarterbacks and teams that 612 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: we played against. They were just intimidated by him. And 613 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: he had him. He had him before the game even started. 614 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: And if you ever watched the Ravens during those years 615 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: at home, you know you saw Ray was the last 616 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: one interviewed to be introduced. They had the fire that 617 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: he did the full dance. And this was I don't 618 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: think people realized. Not many people were doing this with 619 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: the introductions. They would just announced the guys. They just 620 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: run out, high five your teammates. It was no big deal. 621 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: His thing. He had his own song, uh you know 622 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: hot and here the whole deal. It was a big 623 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: production and we're playing the Tennessee Titans, who a couple 624 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: of years previously, the Ravens had beat on the way 625 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl, and UH and Ray had 626 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: played unbelievable against them and all those games. But while 627 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: we were doing introductions the Tennessee Titans that Jeff Fisher 628 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: had their offense go on the field opposite side of 629 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: the field, facing away from what was going on and 630 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: had them just run plays like we're not going to 631 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,239 Speaker 1: sit here and watch this, and allowed this to get 632 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: inside our head. But I thought, man, this is this 633 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: is true in every sport, right there's a nurses psychological 634 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: warfare that's going on. Yeah, it's funny. So DJ, you 635 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: and I are both really really close to Dennis Thurman. 636 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: And so Dennis Thurman was the defensive coordinator um or 637 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: defensive back coach for the New York Jets when Rex 638 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: Ryan was there, and so he had Derell Reeves and 639 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: what he taught de Real Reevers was what they call 640 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: hang around the football because de Real Reevers would match 641 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: up with the wide receiver and so Derell Reevers would 642 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: stand in front of the defensive huddle with his eyeballs 643 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: on the number one receiver and he would follow him 644 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: everywhere did he win? And part of that was, Hey, 645 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: I want you to know where your guy is. But 646 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the other part is I want him to know that 647 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: he has to face you on each and every down 648 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: and does he have the mental stamina and endurance to 649 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: be able to deal with knowing that I gotta go 650 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: against the real Reevers for seventy five snaps and he 651 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: is going to be in my face for each and 652 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: every one of those snaps. Yeah, that's great. I love 653 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: that story. And to me, again, it's just you kind 654 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: of assert your dominance, and it's what Darrell Reeves was doing, 655 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: It's what Michael Jordan was talking about, what John Smaltz 656 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: was talking about. And that's why to me is is, uh, 657 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: as we live in the football world, I think you'd 658 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: be naive to stay in that football world and not 659 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: try and broaden your horizon a little bit and and 660 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: take things from other sports. I mean, look at the 661 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Buck during this time, they've had Steve Kerk 662 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: come on and speak to the team. They just had 663 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson come on and speak to the team the 664 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: other day. Uh, so they're they're trying to learn just 665 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: like we're doing That's why, you know, I hope people 666 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: can understand why we're trying to reach out to these 667 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: people from different sports because we're learning now, we are learning. 668 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you talked about the Philadelphia 669 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Eagles bringing in Steve Kerr and then Phil Jackson right 670 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: after that, because I would like to think that both 671 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: of those guys gotta have similar philosophies when it comes 672 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: to the team and the connectivity and the way that 673 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: they play with mindfulness and the like. But this is 674 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: a great opportunity, and we've seen it because this is 675 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: going on forever and ever. Uh, Basketball coaches will go 676 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: visit football teams while they're in training camp. Football coaches 677 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: like I remember Jason Garrett going to visit coach Schevsky 678 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: at Duke because he wanted to understand the culture of 679 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: winning or building a championship program. We've seen other coaches 680 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: get with Nick saban Um, and so I think when 681 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: you're dealing with like high performance sports, you just kind 682 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: of want to know, how can I help my team 683 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: get just a little bit better, or how can I 684 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: build a culture that's going to be sustainable. That's why 685 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: we read books, That's why we look at documentaries like 686 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: The Last Dance. That's why we're so fascinated when we 687 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to talk to people outside of other sports. 688 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: We may participate and other sports, but at the end 689 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: of the day, it is all about building a team, 690 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: which is in business, um, athletics or whatever. You're still 691 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: trying to find little nuggets that can help you be 692 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: a better leader. You know. The other thing I was 693 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: thinking of, Uh, just about that discussion. I've talked to 694 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: my buddies with the Eagles and give me the notes here, 695 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: what did what did Phil Jackson say? And there's a 696 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: long list of things and I won't go into all 697 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: that because I think that was probably just meant for 698 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: their team. But there was one word that came up 699 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: a bunch when I was kind of looking through some 700 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: of these notes, and it was the word bold. Um, 701 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: you have to be bold. And you can look at 702 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: that in a lot of different contexts. If you're gonna 703 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: win a game on the road, right, it favors the bold. 704 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: You've got to be aggressive if you're in big moments. 705 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: And I started thinking about this, like if you start 706 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: just kind of kind of going through some of the 707 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowls in your head. Think about recently, obviously Pat 708 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Mahomes taking that shot down the field, right, he's a bolt, 709 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: a bold move on a big stage, no fear attack 710 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: mentality that that ends up basically winning them the Super Bowl. 711 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: Look at Philly Special with the Philadelphia Eagles going with 712 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: the trick play on fourth down, and that'll be a 713 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: play we remember forever. Think about Sean Payton, you know, 714 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: coming out of the locker room and calling an onside 715 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: kick um when they when they won their Super Bowl 716 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: against the Colts. Like there is it is tough. It 717 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: is tough to win at the ultimate level. And I 718 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: think it's tough to be successful. You can say it 719 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: in business and life however you want to put it, 720 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: but it favors the bold. Man. You cannot be afraid. 721 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: You've got to be bold. And I thought that was 722 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: what a great word, right, I mean, that's a word 723 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: we don't necessarily use all that much, but man, I 724 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: want guys that are bold. I want guys that want 725 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: the ball in their hands when the game's on the line. 726 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: I want guys that want that pressure. Um. That's a 727 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: to me. I just thought, man, what a great scouting word. 728 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: We need to use more yeah, I think being bold 729 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: is something that we should embrace and I think it 730 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: also should happen and the personnel standpoint, uh DJ when 731 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: is drafted and if you feel we always talked about 732 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: we were taught that you have to have conviction. If 733 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: you feel conviction about a player, you gotta be willing 734 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: to stand up on the table and you gotta be 735 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: able to deal with all the criticism or whatever that 736 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: that may come. But you have to be bold when 737 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: you have those opportunities. And so I think about the 738 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: guys that have made like the the these great moves, 739 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: Like think about Thomas Demetrov training up to get Julio 740 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: Jones because he felt like that was a missing piece 741 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: to the championship Paul. So the other moves that we've 742 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: seen teams may I mean even Kanas City Chiefs have 743 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: my Homes, Carson Wentz moving up to get Pat Mahomes 744 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: and the Eagles with Carson Wentz, And I know it 745 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: is probably this time more than any like the critics 746 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: are readily available because of Twitter and the like, and 747 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: so you have to be strong. You have to be 748 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: able to kind of weather the storm when you make 749 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: those moves. But you're right, I mean, the ones who 750 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: make those moves are the ones who ultimately rewarded for it, 751 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: and they're the ones who win championships. Yeah, if you 752 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: want to, if you want to live life with the 753 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: bumpers on the lanes, you know you're not gonna have it. 754 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: You're not gonna any gutter balls, but you're not gonna 755 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: win anything either. Like you, you've got to be aggressive 756 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: and you've got to take some risks, you've got to 757 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: take some chances. And uh, that to me, it was 758 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I don't know why I've 759 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: been thinking about this team, but I saw I think 760 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com to the thing the other day about 761 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: the the they ranked the off seasons of every team 762 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: one through thirty two, and the Houston Texans were ranked 763 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: thirty second. And everybody, ourselves included, have taken our shots 764 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: at Bill O'Brien. And you know what's he doing. He 765 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: trades New Hopkins, and um, you know obviously they trade 766 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: for Larry Tunsil. They give him this huge deal. Um, 767 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: it just seems like they've been getting beat up a lot. 768 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: And then I just had this thought, I mean, what 769 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: can you imagine if the Houston Texans, you know, win 770 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: their division and make a deep run into the postseason 771 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: next year. Um, we're all gonna have to apologize to 772 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and say, Okay, maybe you knew your team 773 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: better than all of us did on the outside. I 774 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: just I came away from that with thinking about that 775 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: word bold and I thought, well, maybe he maybe he 776 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: has made some of the worst decisions of all time, 777 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: or maybe just maybe there's some some some boldness there 778 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: that he knows something that we don't know. Yeah, and 779 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: and DJ I think there there is something to the right. Obviously, 780 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is around the team more than anybody else. 781 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: And he got beat up for the Jadeveon Clowney trade. 782 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: Well let's just look at what Jadeveon Clowney has done. 783 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: Like Jadaveon Clowney flashed at Sietta, but he didn't do 784 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: anything of significance during his time there. Um, they beat 785 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: him up for securing Larry Meet also, but you and 786 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: I both know if you have a franchise quarterback, you 787 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: have to protect him. Landrys also provided better protection, gave 788 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: them an opportunity to allow uh Deshaun Watson play at 789 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: a high level. Now with DeAndre Hopkins. Here's the thing. 790 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins has been terrific. Look, he's a three time 791 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: All Pro player. He is a guy that looking in 792 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: three the last three seasons, he's been over a thousand yards, 793 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: but last year he only had eleven hundred yards. And 794 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,479 Speaker 1: as you begin to think about the amount of money 795 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: that you're going to have to pay him, I can't 796 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: understand why the why. Bill O'Brien is like, you know 797 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: what am I getting. I'm getting an outstanding playmaker, but 798 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm not getting necessarily a run after catch guy. I'm 799 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: having a problem with him in terms of he is 800 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: a strong personality in the locker room, and so as 801 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: long as he is present, my leader, Deshaun Watson can 802 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: never fully gain control of the locker room. It is very, 803 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: very similar to what Seattle did when they let all 804 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: of those guys go on defense so they could empower 805 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and so it looked. It's uncomfortable. It doesn't 806 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: look great on the surface. From a fantasy football perspective, 807 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: it may not make sense. But from a team building standpoint, 808 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: it may be Bill O'Brien saying, I'm gonna hand the 809 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: team to Deshaun Watson, and I can't fully give him 810 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: the team until I get DeAndre Hopkins out of the way. 811 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 1: Very similar to Carolina when they had to remove Steve 812 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: Smith so Cam Newton could take over that team. Yeah, 813 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's sometimes everybody you know can 814 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: jump jump on something, and we all have because on 815 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: the surface, it didn't it doesn't make a lot of sense. 816 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: But unless you're inside the building, you don't know. Um, 817 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: So we'll see how that all plays out. But I 818 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: just in some it's some part of me. I give 819 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: him credit for saying, Hey, I know there's gonna be 820 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: blowback on this, but this is what I believe is 821 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. I'm gonna do it. Um. 822 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's really said that about about him. 823 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 1: And I just heard that word bold and for some reason, 824 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why Bill O'Brien's name crept into my mind. No, 825 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: because it is a bold move. And I think you 826 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: when you have the autonomy when you are the football's 827 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: are you're the head coach and the general manager and 828 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: everything else when it comes to decisions, you can make 829 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: that move. And ultimately he knows this his team he 830 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: knows exactly what he wants. He has a vision for 831 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: how he had he wants his team to play, and 832 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: how he wants them to get along on and off 833 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: the field, and so he just felt like the move 834 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: is there to be made and we will see because 835 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: it will play out on the field. But he's right 836 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: when he asked everyone, slow down, Let's see what this 837 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: looks like at the end of the season before you 838 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: levit these criticisms. So we kind of have to take 839 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: him at his word. Yeah, no doubt. It's a It 840 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: was an interesting off season there in Houston, to say 841 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: the least, But we'll see how it all works out 842 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: at the end. Here. Anything else you want to add 843 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: before we get out of here? Back, No, man, I'm 844 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: fascinated for next week's Virtual League meetings because the proposal 845 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: that came up the fourth and fifteen versus one side kick, 846 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: I do um. I do like it because the odds 847 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: go up. I think I saw the stats like it's 848 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: a conversion rate of ABO twenty five in that situation. 849 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: I think from a defensive perspective, the pressure is really 850 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: on the defense because how do you play that situation? Uh? 851 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm thinking Oh, I'm gonna bless and 852 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the ball come out, dud. We're gonna 853 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: rally and tackle because sitting back in a soft zone, 854 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: we saw what Pat Mahomes did against CENTRCIS. I just 855 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: think it brings another level of strategy and tactics to 856 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: the game that I'm excited to see because the onset 857 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: kick was I mean, you just couldn't get it the 858 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: way it's set up now. Yeah, see, I think I'm 859 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: on the other side. I don't like it because I 860 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: feel like you could you could spend the whole game 861 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: dominating a game and building your lead and getting game control. 862 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: And then now I'm gonna give him an opportunity on 863 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: a fourth and fifteen and he's gonna get not only 864 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: he gonna get possession, he's gonna have a great field position. 865 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: So it's like we're playing. Now, we're playing. We're playing 866 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: a different game than the game. We've been playing this 867 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: so I've been winning with the rules the entire game, 868 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: and now we get to the end, like, oh, we're 869 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: gonna change the rules now at the end and try 870 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: and help them catch up. Deals like you're playing when 871 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: you're playing with your little if you're playing with the 872 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: little brother. I was a little brother. But hypothetically, if 873 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: you're the big brother playing a little brother and you're 874 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: playing the twenty one and you're like, I got eighteen, 875 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what every shot you make from here 876 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: on out, I'll give you five points like that. No, 877 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: we're playing like the rules are the rules. We don't 878 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: change the rules as we get to the end of 879 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: the game. See, I can tell you are you are 880 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: the little brother. I was older brother. So yeah, so 881 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: we play make it, take it and as long as 882 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: I'm making I'm gonna keep taking it. So so that's 883 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: what happens. So if you if you want to stop, 884 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: get a stop. Oh gosh, I don't know. I don't 885 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: like it, you like it, I don't like it. We'll 886 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: see what happens. It would be exciting. I know it 887 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: would be exciting. But I can just imagine. I can 888 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: just imagine being a coach or a fan of a 889 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: team that's dominated a football game and all of a sudden, 890 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: instead of having something crazy, um you know, like them 891 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: recovering on site kick to get in the game, they 892 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: just gotta get fifteen yards, and all of a sudden, 893 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: they're right back in the game. So the way did 894 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: I see this? Like you all out blitz them and 895 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: you hang your defensive backs right into sticks. The ball 896 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: hasn't come back and got a tackle. You just gotta tackle. 897 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: You can't, you can't, You can't be afraid. You just 898 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: talked about being bold. This is about being bold people. Yeah, 899 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna be bold, and they're gonna run that. 900 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: They're gonna have a little tight end slip screen. That 901 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: guy's gonna hate his head on the goal post. We 902 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: got Max Protect, Max Protect, bringing everybody. Wait where where 903 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: the tight end? Just go? We just slipped out of there? 904 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: Who had him? Okay, if you run a screen in 905 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: that situation, you're being really really bold. If you decided 906 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: to run a slow screen, if that's maybe, I do 907 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: like this. I do feel I think the Bill put 908 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: on our little chat here. It looks like it's maddened, 909 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: like playing Madden. It kind of is like mad And 910 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: I think that's all right, man, Well, anything else you 911 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: want here before we bounce? No, man, I'm good to go. 912 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm excited. I hope everyone has a great uh 913 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: holiday weekend, and we'll be right back at it. Next week. Yeah, 914 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: we will be back next week a couple audio podcasts 915 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: and we'll have a new TV show on Thursday. So 916 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much again. Uh, if you've watched 917 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: the show, you know we do this little segment called 918 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,479 Speaker 1: Scout School. So if you get on NFL Game Pass 919 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: and we'll just do a little scouting video thirty seconds 920 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: is ideal. Um, just take your phone out video the 921 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: screen of a player that you want to study and 922 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: give us your thoughts on the player, a little mini 923 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: scouting report. Um, and game passes free right now. So 924 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: it's just log on NFL dot com, slash game Pass, 925 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: find a player you want to study, shoots a little video, Uh, 926 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: put it on Twitter and put hashtag Scout School tag 927 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: us and we'll take the best one and put it 928 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: on the show on Thursday. So something to look forward 929 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: to there. That's gonna do it for us today. I 930 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: want to thank all the guys putting this together, the 931 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: bill Mark Brady on the TV side, Our Juno has 932 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: been doing an awesome job with that, so want to 933 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: give him a shout out. You guys are working really 934 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: hard to put this whole thing together. Matt Tanton's helps 935 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: he's been wonderful producing Mark Brady. So we've got a 936 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: whole team of folks, David Singer, getting this great guest 937 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: like John Smoltz. So I do want to thank all 938 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: of them. All right, that's gonna do it for us. 939 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll catch you 940 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: next time. Right here on, move the sticks open moment