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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical and so will we. Welcome to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. So. I don't know why this is, but

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Speaker 1: we often think of people who believe in the afterlife

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Speaker 1: as wearing long flowing gowns, gypsies, fortune tellers, and some

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Speaker 1: of the New age weirdos. Can I say, and I

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Speaker 1: feel very strongly about dispelling that because it's just not true.

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Speaker 1: There's some mainstream people who believe in the afterlife just

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Speaker 1: as much as anyone. So I want to introduce you

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Speaker 1: today to Suzanne Geeseman, who has retired at US Navy commander.

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Speaker 1: She's the author of eleven books. She's an inspirational speaker

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Speaker 1: and an evidence based medium. She has been recognized by

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Speaker 1: Dr Wayne Dyer and afterlife researcher Dr Gary Schwartz. While

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Speaker 1: she was in the U. S. Navy, Suzanne served as

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Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on nine eleven. In

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Speaker 1: addition to earning the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, she has

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Speaker 1: a master's degree in National Security affairs and taught political

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Speaker 1: science at the US Naval Academy. Suzanne, welcome, Thanks Sandra.

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Speaker 1: Great to be here, Oh great to have you. I

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Speaker 1: spent the morning looking at your website and I'm thinking, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're just a gold mine in a good way. When

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Speaker 1: you can read and watch the short film that you

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Speaker 1: with goose bums, I know it'll be a good conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So if you don't mind if we can just start

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Speaker 1: off just finding out a little bit about you, and

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Speaker 1: how does a gal end up being a US naval

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Speaker 1: commander and then turn into a medium. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: salute you, I just went right into the navy mode.

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Speaker 1: Derek's very much a part of me and people that

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Speaker 1: see me. I stand up straight to though, and I

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Speaker 1: pretty well. But to answer your question, unfortunately, like many

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Speaker 1: people who have a spiritual awakening or a big transition

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Speaker 1: Yeah when was that? That was ten years ago? Already

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Speaker 1: now you and I do that for other people. Can

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Speaker 1: The skeptic that I was, and learning to ensure that

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Speaker 1: But it's the evidence that changes life. And I'm so grateful.

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Speaker 1: of hopeless. The story of how I went from nybe officer,

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Speaker 1: when I was about ten years old, I've never been

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Speaker 1: around airplanes. I've never seen in an airplane up close,

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Speaker 1: even a small one. And we went to an air

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Speaker 1: base one day or a near Dallas area when I

433
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Speaker 1: was a kid, and I saw it was a large aircraft,

434
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Speaker 1: an airplane, and I just fell in love with it.

435
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Speaker 1: And I told my dad that day that one day

436
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Speaker 1: I was going to fly on a plane like that.

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Speaker 1: I knew at that moment, at ten years old, I

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Speaker 1: just knew it. And eight years later that's what I

439
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Speaker 1: was doing. Well. My dad worked at a little airport

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Speaker 1: when he was sixteen, and he ended up going into

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Speaker 1: the Air Force, and plenty of stories from him and

442
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Speaker 1: went off to being captain with American Airlines, and uh,

443
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, I always hear the stories of him flying,

444
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Speaker 1: whether whatever seat he was in the cockpit, you know,

445
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I'd hear the stories and eventually made captain and yeah,

446
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: the rest is history. Yeah, I'm sure he's got his

447
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: stories too. Is there's an aviation, there's a aviators will

448
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: tell you the definition of aviation is hours and hours

449
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: and hours of bordom interspersed with moments of start ter Yes, yes,

450
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: no question. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So that's all great, And

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00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: before I forget, thank you for your service and you're

452
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Speaker 1: really your commitment to our country. It takes a lot,

453
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Speaker 1: and I speak for all of us college to have

454
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Speaker 1: all that fun, yeah, but I speak for all of

455
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Speaker 1: us for protecting our country and and doing all of that.

456
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: So where does the story go on to? Because I

457
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Speaker 1: know that you've had some incredible experiences in your career. Well,

458
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: I was okay. I was in Florida when I started out,

459
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Speaker 1: and so by the time I left Jacksonville, Florida, my

460
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Speaker 1: next set of orders, this was about six years into it,

461
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Speaker 1: almost thought and a half years, and I already had

462
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Speaker 1: I don't know, probably two thousand hours light experience by

463
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: then transferred to Barber's Point Naval Air Station, Hawaii. Got

464
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: there one in the night every even year number they

465
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Speaker 1: have the Impact military exercise. There's a remembered the Pacific

466
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: is what it's called. UM. It's the largest military exercise

467
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Speaker 1: on the planet that involves numerous different countries. And so

468
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: it was my cruise turn to go flying on one

469
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Speaker 1: of the missions, and we go out for flight. So

470
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Speaker 1: we took off and we're fully loaded. Now this is

471
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Speaker 1: a seventy ton airplane, so you carry sixty two tho

472
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Speaker 1: pounds of fuel. So we we took off, climb, started

473
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Speaker 1: to climb out, got to about ten thousand feet and

474
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Speaker 1: had an engine malfunction on number one and we had

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Speaker 1: to shut it down. And you can't dump all the fuels.

476
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Speaker 1: So we dumped what we could and then we had

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Speaker 1: to fly around to We got to max allow the

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Speaker 1: land weight because you don't want to run too heavy

479
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Speaker 1: for fear of damaging the structural intended. And we come back,

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Speaker 1: came back into land and we did the emergency brief

481
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Speaker 1: and declared an emergency and all that, and when you

482
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Speaker 1: do that, they literally put the emergency response vehicles big

483
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Speaker 1: fire trucks really is what they are. On each side

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Speaker 1: of the runway. You have two of a certain place,

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Speaker 1: two more further down, and two more further out, and

486
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Speaker 1: as you go past them on landing, they pull in

487
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Speaker 1: behind you and chase you, so they're right there in

488
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Speaker 1: case anything goes wrong. That's typically a good thing, but

489
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Speaker 1: that day it wasn't um. Unfortunately, we landed on it

490
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Speaker 1: was parallel runways. The heading was zero four zero, and

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Speaker 1: you today, Tony. I think this is a good time

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with US Navy's Chief

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Speaker 1: Petty Officer, Tony Woody. Now, Tony, you were just talking

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Speaker 1: about coming in with the emergency landing. When we came

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Speaker 1: in and landed, we have to go a lot faster

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Speaker 1: because we're heavy, and instead of landing with the normal

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Speaker 1: fuel load of about eight thousand pounds left on top

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: of your airfield when we get done with a mission,

552
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: we still had forty pounds a few on board, so

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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: you have to fly a lot faster to keep the

554
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Speaker 1: plane in the air. So at those speeds things go

555
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: wrong and hurry. So we landed at about hundred and

556
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: thirty five knots, which is around just over a hundred

557
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: and fifty five and main mounts touched the ground. Everything

558
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: seemed okay. The nose gear came down and we started

559
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: to swerve to the right, and we briefed that you

560
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Speaker 1: expect to swork to the right because you have two

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Speaker 1: engines on that side giving you reverse thrus with one

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Speaker 1: on the other side. But the pilot put in incorrect

563
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Speaker 1: rudder for some reason, thinking he was putting in proper correction,

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Speaker 1: and then he jammed in more because it kept swerving

565
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Speaker 1: to the right, and the next thing we know, all

566
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're headed directly at one of the

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Speaker 1: fire trucks sitting on the side of the runway, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, had death coming at me over

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty miles an hour, and there was

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing I could do about it. It was the

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Speaker 1: most helpless, hopeless feeling I've ever felt. And I had

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Speaker 1: a three year old son at the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could think about these I has a few seconds

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Speaker 1: which I was never gonna see my son again, or

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Speaker 1: holding my son again, or to see my family. And uh,

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Speaker 1: we came so close to that fire truck that the

577
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Speaker 1: right wing tip went over the top of the fire truck,

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Speaker 1: and I could see the guy on the top of

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Speaker 1: the fire truck with the water tan and he's in

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Speaker 1: his silver fire suit. I couldn't hear him, but I

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Speaker 1: could see him screaming at the top of his lungs

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Speaker 1: in terror because he probably thought he was dead too,

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Speaker 1: just like, it's not what you think. You're gonna die.

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Speaker 1: You know it, you know it, it's coming, you know it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm dead. There's nothing I can do here it comes.

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00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I found myself out of

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Speaker 1: the airplane, literally above and to the right of the airplane,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still seeing the perspective from my flight engineer

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Speaker 1: seat too. I'm in two places at once, and I'm

590
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Speaker 1: very confused. I don't understand what's going on. But the

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Speaker 1: for me that was out of the airplane, I call

592
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: it fractured consciousness. I don't know what else to call it.

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Speaker 1: The part of me that was outside the airplane could

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Speaker 1: see the propellers spinning, and everything was in super slow motion.

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Speaker 1: It was like a time distortion thing. And I literally

596
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Speaker 1: watched the propeller, which is thirteen feet from tip to tip,

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Speaker 1: weighs pounds, spends it a thousand and twenty rounds a minute,

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Speaker 1: and it's moving forward at a hundred and fifty plus

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Speaker 1: miles an hour. I watched it gap the front left

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Speaker 1: corner of the fire truck as the blades were spending.

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Speaker 1: They just went over the fire truck, but they gapped

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: it and went past it. Or a split second one

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Speaker 1: way or the other, that propeller would have slammed into

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Speaker 1: that fire truck. It was literally like, I bet you

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Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten a piece of paper between those the

606
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Speaker 1: fire truck and the and the propeller blade when it

607
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: went through. Yeah, and that really was amazing to see

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Speaker 1: that from that perspective. And then the plane is now

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Speaker 1: leaving the runway at about thirty five degree angle across

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Speaker 1: the asphalt between the runways, and it's throwing up all

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00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: this dust and debris and all of us. I started

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Speaker 1: seeing that, and then the next thing I know, my

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Speaker 1: consciousness is fracturing into to where all these other anything

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Speaker 1: that was floating in the air, any piece of debris,

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Speaker 1: didn't matter what it was. I was in that location

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Speaker 1: to all these perspectives, is all the debris flying around,

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Speaker 1: I'm flying around with each one of them. You would

618
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: think it would seem very chaotic, but it had this

619
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: feeling of sublime perfection where I knew every a piece

620
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: of debris was exactly where it was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: be doing what it was supposed to be doing when

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Speaker 1: it was supposed to be doing it, and there was

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Speaker 1: this absolute calm effect going on, which I didn't know

624
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Speaker 1: if I was dead, I didn't know what was going on.

625
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: I was just totally confused trying to understand what was

626
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: happening to me, and I still had the perspective of

627
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: me being in the flight engineer seat as well, and

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00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: we ended up going all the way across the asphalt

629
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Speaker 1: between the two runways. I could see the fire trucks

630
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: chasing us all of that. It was just totally strange.

631
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: We finally came to a stop half on, half off

632
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: the other runway. We literally went all the way across

633
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: to the other runway runway for right, and by the

634
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: time we realized plane was okay, fire trucks caught up

635
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to us and we ended up adding power and finishing

636
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: the rollout on another runway. So I literally did a

637
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: three inchine emergency landing and a four engine heavyweight aircraft

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00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: and used did one approach and one landing and used

639
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: two entirely different runways to do that with, so I

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: didn't know what to say or anything. I looked at

641
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: the co pilot. I watched him when he came off

642
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: his adrenaline rush, and he looks at me, and I

643
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: look at him and I'm like, did you see that?

644
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: He said hell, yeah, But I don't think he understood

645
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: what I was really talking about. And I didn't know

646
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: how to express it at the time, and it was just, Uh.

647
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I just did my job at that point. I didn't

648
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: know what else to do, but it confused me, So

649
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything to anybody that day. The next day,

650
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do this these days. But the next day

651
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: we did a refly and the commanding officer took the

652
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: pilot and myself back out this shoote touch and goes,

653
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: and I started having post traumatic stress on the first approach,

654
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't even think about it might affect me

655
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: that way I had looked at that term wasn't even

656
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: developed yet. Post traumatic stress disorder didn't even exist back then,

657
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, back then they put you back on the

658
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: horse and see if he could ride. So I bent

659
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: forward because I didn't want to skip or to see

660
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: my face, and I couldn't look outside on the first

661
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: few approaches, and I had to because of the terror

662
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: that I was experiencing. So I got through that day

663
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: and that flight. After several landings, I was finally had

664
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: convinced myself I could do the job. And it's probably

665
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: the only time that I'll ever run off the runway

666
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: and get your head back in the game. But I

667
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: knew if the commanding officer saw my face, you'd realized

668
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to do that job at that point.

669
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: But I got through it. And then on Wednesday that

670
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: happened on the Monday that the incident. Did the original

671
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: haircraft incident the refly happened on a Tuesday. Then on

672
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Wednesday there was this television show. I know this kind

673
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: of sounds unrelated, but for some reason, uh, something happened

674
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: on that Monday that opened a gateway. Somehow, I don't

675
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: understand it. I went to bed that night after my

676
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: wife and I had watched the television show that came

677
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: on back then called That's Incredible, and they had this

678
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: man on their name, Leslie limp Key Illiam Katie. I

679
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: think you can still look him up on you too,

680
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna go into any details about his story.

681
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: But what I felt was I was seeing my first miracle,

682
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: and I now understand everything is a miracle. I didn't

683
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: understand that at twenty four years old. But I went

684
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: to bed that night and said just a simple prayer

685
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: of genuine gratitude, really short prayer, I'll never forget it,

686
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: just thanking God for allowing me to see my first miracle.

687
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: And then I added the words, and it would be

688
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: nice if you could do something like that for me someday.

689
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: And you make that statement in your head and you

690
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: don't really expect anything, you know of it, right, Why

691
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: would you? But that's what I said in my head,

692
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and I never forgot that. And I went to sleep.

693
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: And then sometime in the middle of the night I

694
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: used to call old dark thirty in the military. I

695
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: don't know three thirty or so, or four in the morning,

696
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it was still

697
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: very dark and very early. There was this instantaneous shift

698
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: and location of my consciousness. I didn't go through a tunnel,

699
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: I didn't physically get injured or physically die, but all

700
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm in this black void, and I'm

701
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: seeing this absolutely beautiful golden white liquid molten christianan white

702
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: light that was pouring out energy in all directions of

703
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: just profound unconditional love. And I instantly knew I was

704
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: in the presence of my Creator. You can't not know,

705
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: because the energy from I call it the heart of

706
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: God was pouring right through me, expressing to me on

707
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: a extremely intimate level what God felt about me as

708
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: an individual and as a as one of God's children.

709
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: That's the way I do it now. I was being

710
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: flooded with profound, unconditional love on a cosmic scale that

711
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: cannot be expressed in human words. And I said the

712
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: three words and just shared, dumbfounded all of my what

713
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: I was seeing, feeling, and experiencing. I said, oh, my goodness,

714
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: And the instant I said the word goodness, the essence

715
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: of goodness on a cosmic scale poured through me, and

716
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: I could feel the difference between goodness and love, and

717
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: the love was by far the most power I could

718
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: I was one with the infinite power too. I've felt it.

719
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: It was this unbelievably infinite feeling of infinite power that

720
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: was under absolute, perfect control, and it was equally as

721
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: powerful as it was, it was also equally benevolent on

722
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: the same level. And I knew anybody will know that

723
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: if that being didn't want you to exist anymore, you

724
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: would be wiped out in an instant. But I also

725
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: knew how precious I would was. This individual, this being

726
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of life creator I call my God, was expressing to

727
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: me with energy how deeply loved I am, unconditionally and

728
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: by the way, I grew up in East Texas Southern

729
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Baptist fundamentalist perspective, and so after that happened to me,

730
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I had to change my whole way of thinking because

731
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: I did fit with what I experience, and I'm an engineer,

732
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: so I kind of need need all the details to

733
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: be to fit, you know. So the love was there,

734
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: the power was immense. It was under absolute, complete control

735
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: and perfect control. That was in a place of perfection,

736
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: and I knew it. I mean you just feel it.

737
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: The whole environment itself is like air dominates this area

738
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: here earth. Well, imagine the air doesn't just dominate your

739
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: outside of you, it dominates your very cells and energy

740
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and you're in you. So there's this immutable spiritual law

741
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: that I call it on the other side. That prevents

742
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: any negative expression of any kind from being expressed while

743
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: in the presence of that being. That's how it works there.

744
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how that can happen, but God, that's

745
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: why God's God. Not not right. So I said the

746
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: three words, Oh, my Goodness, and the goodness blasted through me.

747
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Joy came next, bliss, peace, ecstasy. I was home and

748
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: I knew it. I was finally home, and I had

749
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: this I call it this moment. I call it the

750
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: urge to merge. You have this instinctive, deep desire to

751
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: go deeper into the light. That's all you care about.

752
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: I was You're attracted to that light, just like a

753
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: moth to a flame. You can't do that. And the

754
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: next thing I realized, I saw through the peripheral vision.

755
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I could see these the backs of a pair of hands.

756
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: We need to take a quick break in Tony. When

757
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: we get back, we want to find out who's at

758
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: the end of these hands. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Tom. I gotta go. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and Change of the Afterlife. Ye, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we

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Speaker 1: are with US Navy Chief Petty Officer Tony Woody. And Tony,

794
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: you were describing this what seems like a near death experience,

795
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: but it happened after your close call in the aircraft

796
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: and now you are lying in your bedroom having this

797
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: wild experience. So you were talking about the hands, kind

798
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: of curious, what are these hands doing there? Uh? And

799
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: then the rest of the bedroom started coming into my

800
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: bedroom that I was and started coming into a view

801
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: peripherally That's when I realized that those were my hands

802
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: were up in the air. I had set up in

803
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: bed and I had my hands up, and then I

804
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: could see the rest of the room come back in

805
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: and at the foot of the bed, across the room,

806
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: there was no wall anymore, and the room was lit

807
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: up like a billion stars, and I realized I had

808
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: set up in bed and I was looking at my hands,

809
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: and I think God did this for a reason because

810
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: he knew I was I'm an engineer, and if I

811
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: had not happened this way, I would have simply written

812
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: this office some sort of exotic dream later. But I

813
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: couldn't do that because of the way it happened. So

814
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm now sitting up in bed. I've got tears going

815
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: down my face, and my hands were up in the air,

816
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: and I could see my wife's feet through my peripheral vision,

817
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: and I could tell that her back was to me,

818
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, how can she sleep through all this?

819
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a billion stars in the bedroom

820
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: and all this energy, and the wall is gone at

821
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: the end of the room, and I literally had got

822
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: in my bedroom and my I couldn't understand how she

823
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: could sleep through all of this, and then I went, oh,

824
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm really away, this is really hapening to me. At

825
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: the moment God realized that I flat out and knew

826
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't dreaming, and I was awake. The hole it

827
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: was about a ten ft circle of the wall and

828
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: ceiling in my bedroom. At the foot of the bed

829
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: across the room was the light. And it all shrunk down,

830
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: not instantly, but just over about a second or two,

831
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: shrunk down to the center and went away. And I

832
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: just I'll never forget how that felt, because I just

833
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: had the most the greatest love I'll ever know, ripped

834
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: away from me. And I just sat there the rest

835
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: of the night staring at the wall because there was

836
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: this residual spiritual energy still fluctuating through the wall, uh,

837
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: in the wall or and I just kept praying and

838
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: asking that the light, hoping that light would come back,

839
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: until the sun gradually started coming up. And as that happened,

840
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: as the room got brighter, the energy faded away in

841
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 1: the wall. And then my wife woke up and she says,

842
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? And I had no idea it

843
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: explain any of that. And uh. The following Sunday, I

844
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: went to the church looking for help because I didn't

845
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: know what to do with that. I needed an answer,

846
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I needed a lot of answers, and I had no

847
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: understanding of what happened to me, or how that could happen,

848
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: or what am I supposed to do with it. At

849
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: that point, I wasn't even considering what that meant as

850
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: far as who and what I am. I'm just trying

851
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what to do next? And uh,

852
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: I went to a church and why and I we

853
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: had been going to they have guests pasture there that day,

854
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: and he looked at me kind of oddly, And after

855
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: I expressed it to him, I was able to get

856
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: it out. But every time I brought it up for

857
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: the first few years, I started crying because it was

858
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: just so overwhelming. But I was able to express to

859
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: him the story and what happened, and he turned his

860
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of tilted his head and looked at me a

861
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: little oddly and then turned his back on me and

862
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: walked away and never said a word. And so ARE

863
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: kind of got angry after that because I felt like

864
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: I got kicked out of heaven with no answers, because

865
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: there were no words spoken to me when I was

866
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: in the light, just all energy of from God expressing

867
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: to me how deeply precious I am and important as

868
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: an individual. And it's the same for everybody. I'm not

869
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: claiming any special status here or anything at all. I'm

870
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: just I knew that that love and that depth of

871
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: love was for everyone, not just me. But God makes

872
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: you feel so personally important and precious, and so my

873
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: best analogy what the love felt like is this, after

874
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: over thirty five years of thinking about it, and they

875
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: believe me, there's not a day that went by that

876
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it since it happened. But the

877
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: love felt like I was that precious to God because

878
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: I was going to be the last newborn baby at

879
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: the end of the history of the life of the

880
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: entire universe, and I was being loved, held and cradled

881
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: by all the mothers in all the galaxies and all

882
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: the previous history of the universe all at once. That's

883
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the best analogy I've been able to come up with.

884
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, Tony. Does that? Does it this memory stay

885
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: in your mind better than any dream or any other memory?

886
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, does it stay alive? It's it's every day,

887
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: It's is seared into my consciousness. There's no way anyone

888
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: can ever forget anything like that. Yeah. The reason I

889
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: asked that is I've interviewed many people have had near

890
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: death experiences and some that have had out of body experiences,

891
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: and the level of memory is as if it just happened,

892
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: and even if it's seventy years ago, it is clearer

893
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: than anything that just happened yesterday. It's more real than

894
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: anything I've ever experienced here by far. Yeah, And that,

895
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: to me is just one of those signs that this

896
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: is a really divine occurrence. I've never had one, but

897
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: that is a commonality. And also that feeling of that

898
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: unconditional love that can't be put into words. Um and

899
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the light, And I feel really grateful myself that you're

900
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: sharing this well, that I was one of the speakers

901
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: there at the International Association for Near Death Studies because

902
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: we're trying to get this information out to help other veterans.

903
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not a captain. It's active duty in the

904
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Navy back when when I was there. She's a psychiatrist

905
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: or psychologist or something I can't remember which she has

906
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: done some studies and I can't remember her name because

907
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: it's a long, hard name to pronounce. She's from an

908
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: India descent. The first name is Mina, but I can't

909
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: I can't say her last name is too complicated. She

910
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: told me that the statistics that they have that about

911
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: fifty of veterans combat veterans are having these experiences in

912
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: the military. It's not accepted very well if you start

913
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: talking about these kind of things. And so we threw

914
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: IRONS and I got involved with the International Association in

915
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: their death studies about four or five years ago when

916
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: I first heard about them. I have since been working

917
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: with Diane Corcoran, who was the former president of Iron's

918
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: and she's a retired Army colonel and was a nurse

919
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. And that's what Pete curR interest was when

920
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: the soldiers there were in their recovery room after surgery

921
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: were telling her that about their experiences. And she's been

922
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: pushing to try for over forty years to try and

923
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: get something done about this so that the veterans or

924
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: active duty military have the ability to freely speak about

925
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: these kind of things because it is outside the military

926
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: box by far. You don't talk about it because you

927
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: don't want to when you're active duty because you don't

928
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: want to be labeled crazy. I knew if I did,

929
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: I would never be able to fly again, and I

930
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: love being a flight engineer. So I clammed up. I

931
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it. But that doesn't work either,

932
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: And because I got angry, remember at the chaplain of

933
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: the pastor, of course, and kind of got angry at

934
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: God too, because I wasn't given any answers, no words

935
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: were spoken to me. It was just the energy of

936
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: all of that, and and then it was just over.

937
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: And so I didn't even understand that for probably for

938
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: the first ten or fifteen years that I was experiencing

939
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: grief as well, because I had lost the greatest level

940
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: ever know And uh so it's been a very interesting ride.

941
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: So what we did with the Irons community is created

942
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: a video called Understanding Veterans Near Death Experiences and it's

943
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: been very professionally done. It's about thirty six minutes long.

944
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: I just want to help the the veterans, and uh

945
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: so myself, a couple other veterans Shallow Harris and Glenn

946
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: cannot remember Glen's last name right now, um and also

947
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: a family member of a veteran that's passed already She

948
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: discusses her name's Alma how because her father was labeled

949
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: as having psychological problems because of his spiritual experience. It

950
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: had a very negative effect on his family over the decades,

951
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: as did did in mind when it ended up costing

952
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: me a marriage and they were I just had a

953
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: lot of problems adapting, readapting to this place after having

954
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: had a taste of perfection. It's really hard coming back here.

955
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: The purpose of the video is to help other veterans

956
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: and to train medical professionals, whether they're military veterans, administration

957
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: or civilians. It doesn't matter because you don't have to

958
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: be in the military to have a near death experience. Uh.

959
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: And there's these type of problems are happening to everyone

960
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: that have had a spiritual experience. If they don't understand

961
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: what happened to them, it's very It changes you forever.

962
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: And so we're just trying to get this information out

963
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: there to let people know there are other options, and

964
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: there are other there's a lot more information out there,

965
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: and here's where you can come get the answers. And

966
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: for the medical community, here's how to deal with it.

967
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: Here's how to help these people talk about it and

968
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: all we ever really needed was validation. I want to

969
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: thank Tony for sharing his story today because so often

970
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: we hear about these near death experiences and people have

971
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: amazing experiences, they come back with light and love and

972
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: psychic abilities. But there's another side of it as well.

973
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: When you get a taste of something that is so perfect,

974
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: so beautiful, this feeling of unconditional love, and then you're

975
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: transported back to earth, it's like, wait a minute, I

976
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: want to be back there. What happened? And there isn't

977
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: a world that openly accepts it yet. Now there's a

978
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: great group called I am S i A n d

979
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: S dot org and it's the International Association for Near

980
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: Death Studies And if you go to their website and

981
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: you click on resources and Educational training Videos, you can

982
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: find that video that Tony was talking about. It's ultra

983
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: important for people to learn that near death experiences and

984
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: these mystical experiences are very real, and who knows what

985
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: causes it, but they're real, they're important, and there is support.

986
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: Grief is a bear. I was going to say something else,

987
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: but I'm going to say a bear. When we lose

988
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: something and we're back to reality, it makes us feel awful.

989
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I have a ton of free grief resources that we

990
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com. You can get a free copy

991
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: of my book by joining the Insiders Club. You can

992
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: type coupon code free into the store where you see

993
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: that We Don't Die Audio book. So I really want

994
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: to thank you for listening to this, but I feel

995
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: these two experiences from two great Navy people are really

996
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: important so that you know we don't die. This is

997
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain. You've been listening to its Shades of the

998
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,

999
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Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network, And if you like this

1000
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear

1001
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