WEBVTT - How the Federal Government Fell

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<v Speaker 1>As media.

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<v Speaker 2>The government of two weeks ago no longer exists. We

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<v Speaker 2>are now in a fundamentally different country. Under the authority

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump. Elon Musk is leading a de facto cyber

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<v Speaker 2>coup of the United States. Using the intentionally vague and

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<v Speaker 2>unaccountable department of a government efficiency, Musk is seizing control

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<v Speaker 2>of the United states critical digital infrastructure, literally rewriting the

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<v Speaker 2>code that runs our country, and culling the federal workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>Using the justification of removing government bureaucracy, Musk and the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration have installed their own batch of bureaucratic tech oligarchs,

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<v Speaker 2>made up of former Tesla and SpaceX interns and engineers,

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<v Speaker 2>teal fellowship researchers, pallenteer employees, eugenics enthusiasts, and literal nick fuentes,

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<v Speaker 2>pilled groypers. Career employees have been locked out of their

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<v Speaker 2>respective agencies, both digitally and physically, as the DOGE team

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<v Speaker 2>ransacks various departments and accesses wide swaths of sensitive government data.

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<v Speaker 2>Agency officials who have tried to resist Musk's seizure of

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<v Speaker 2>classified materials have been fired, and more federal employees have

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<v Speaker 2>been put on leave, including the entirety of USAIDE. This

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<v Speaker 2>effectively amounts to Musk abolishing the whole department, all without

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<v Speaker 2>congressional authorization or oversight, not even in executive order from

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<v Speaker 2>Trump that extends presidential authority on a whim. The unelected

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk decided to carry out to the closure of

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<v Speaker 2>an entire government agency, and he is far from finished.

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<v Speaker 2>Doge has hijacked the Treasury to withhold authorized payments to

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<v Speaker 2>multiple agencies, resulting in an ongoing battle of lawsuits and

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<v Speaker 2>court orders. This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>and this episode is an audio companion to an article

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<v Speaker 2>I published on the shatter Zone substack linked below in

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<v Speaker 2>the description. You can follow along online at shatterzone dot

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<v Speaker 2>substack dot com and click the hyperlinks for more information

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<v Speaker 2>and sources. Elon Musk has personally directed the General Services

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<v Speaker 2>Administration to terminate leases on quote unquote mostly empty federal buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>The GSA, essentially the landlord of the federal government, was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first agencies to receive Musks quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>fork in the road deferred resignation letter offering to buy

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<v Speaker 2>out the entire workforce. The legality of the letter is

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<v Speaker 2>still uncertain as it promises to pay out currently unappropriated

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<v Speaker 2>funds IRS. Workers who accepted the resignation offer have already

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<v Speaker 2>been asked to return to work until May. The newly

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<v Speaker 2>appointed GSA Commissioner, Michael Peters, a private equity executive that

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<v Speaker 2>specializes in downsizing corporate real estate, has decided that quote

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<v Speaker 2>non DoD federal building space should be reduced fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>according to a GSA employee who requested to remain anonymous,

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<v Speaker 2>on top of planning to cut the entire federal portfolio

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<v Speaker 2>by half, DOGE is seeking to cut GSA's own budget

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<v Speaker 2>by as much as fifty percent, with talk of consolidating

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<v Speaker 2>GSA offices into a few major cities using a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote hub model. Wired reports that DOGE staff may be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to use White House IT credentials to access GSA

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<v Speaker 2>computers remotely. An anonymous GSA employee claims that few people

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<v Speaker 2>at the agency have elected to take up the voluntary

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<v Speaker 2>paid resignation offer, with those who have mostly being of

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<v Speaker 2>retirement age. High level Trump appointees used quote unquote scare

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<v Speaker 2>tactics in agency emails pressuring career employees to accept the

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<v Speaker 2>deferred resignation offer, warning that cost cutting measures will eventually

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<v Speaker 2>lead to a further reduction in force. Employees are concerned

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<v Speaker 2>that a reduced federal workforce would result in federal buildings

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<v Speaker 2>losing their operations and maintenance contracts, with disastrous consequences for

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<v Speaker 2>the functionality of government buildings. Quote the brain drain is

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<v Speaker 2>going to cripple our ability to maintain the buildings even

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<v Speaker 2>more than it already was. We aren't overstaffed unquote for

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<v Speaker 2>a GSA employee, they continued, quote, I think this process

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<v Speaker 2>is already too far along to stop. I'm hoping we

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<v Speaker 2>just need to get to the mid terms unquote. What

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<v Speaker 2>is happening across the federal government right now is unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is not Germany in the nineteen thirties. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the fall of the Soviet Union. We grasp at

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<v Speaker 2>analogies to help contextualize current events that escape understanding. There

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<v Speaker 2>are similarities, but what's happening is new, very American, very

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first century. Think of the growth of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>social media tech startups in fifty years. What's happening right

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<v Speaker 2>now could be talked about in the vein of what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to the United States in the mid twenty twenties. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>rhetoric of cutting red tape and breaking federal bureaucracy has

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<v Speaker 2>been common political clap trap for decades, and previous efforts

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<v Speaker 2>have been largely all bark and no bite. But now

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a huge chomp. So why now? What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has blamed entrenched federal bureaucracy or the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>deep state, for preventing him from enacting sweeping change during

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<v Speaker 2>his first term. The obstacles Trump encountered didn't just come

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<v Speaker 2>from Congress and the courts, but rank and file government

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<v Speaker 2>workers who run day to day operations. Last month, the

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<v Speaker 2>far right America First Policy Institute published a report titled

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<v Speaker 2>Tales from the Swamp, How federal bureaucrats resisted President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>The author, James Shrek, a former Heritage fellow, credits quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote hostile career employees for quote unquote refusing to implement policies.

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<v Speaker 2>Shrek says, quote many career employees refused or defied directives

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<v Speaker 2>withheld information, slow walked projects that they opposed, performed unacceptably,

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<v Speaker 2>and used strategic leaking to undermine the President's agenda unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump himself realized this late into his first term and

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<v Speaker 2>sought to remedy the situation by revoking civil protections for

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<v Speaker 2>tens of thousands of federal career employees, reclassifying them as

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<v Speaker 2>at will employees under an executive order called Schedule F.

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<v Speaker 2>This allowed Trump to treat large swaths of government employees

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<v Speaker 2>as political appointments. In his article for the America First

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<v Speaker 2>Policy Institute, Shrek refers to career removal protections as a

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<v Speaker 2>quote modern invention that protects entrenched bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Though Biden repealed Schedule F, Trump effectively reinstated the order

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<v Speaker 2>on the first day of his second term. Trump promised

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<v Speaker 2>to restore his authority to quote remove rogue bureaucrats back

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<v Speaker 2>in early twenty twenty three under his Agenda forty seven plan,

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<v Speaker 2>vowing to quote wield that power very aggressively unquote. When

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<v Speaker 2>Trump first ran on Drain the Swamp in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he was referring to corporate lobbyists special interests in Washington corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>but now the term is used to deride the so

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<v Speaker 2>called administrative state, federal agencies, regulatory boards, and bureaucratic career

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<v Speaker 2>employees that maintain the basic functionality of our government. Both

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<v Speaker 2>Schedule F and DOGE are part of a too pronged

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<v Speaker 2>assault on the administrative state, all in service of consolidating

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<v Speaker 2>then amplifying executive power. Trump has fully embraced the unitary

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<v Speaker 2>executive theory proposed by the likes of Russell Vaught, Project

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five co author and the newly confirmed director

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<v Speaker 2>of the White House Office of Management and Budget. Although

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<v Speaker 2>it's understood that Congress has quote unquote power of the purse,

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<v Speaker 2>under unitary executive theory, Trump now believes that funding appropriated

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<v Speaker 2>by Congress does not need to be spent. Rather, the

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<v Speaker 2>executive branch controls the flow of federal spending, and Congress

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<v Speaker 2>merely sets a ceiling on spending that the executive must

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<v Speaker 2>not exceed. Under this interpretation of the Constitution, the president

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<v Speaker 2>has sole and complete control of the executive Branch, including

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<v Speaker 2>all of its agencies and departments. But people in Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>circle like JD. Vance and Elon Musk could be pushing

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<v Speaker 2>Trump to go even further to where the president considers

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<v Speaker 2>both the judicial and legislative branches as purely ceremonial and advisory.

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<v Speaker 2>In the words of New Right philosopher Curtis Jarvin, and

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<v Speaker 2>arguably we are already well on our way to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>This centralized executive power allows the executive branch to achieve

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<v Speaker 2>goals I would have previous considered to be quite lofty.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll outlined two of those examples, pulling from the

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<v Speaker 2>aspirations of the modern conservative movement. After this ad break,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to it could happen here, and get ready

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<v Speaker 2>to say bye bye to the FBI. Though the right

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<v Speaker 2>has typically been thought to be firmly in the back

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<v Speaker 2>the blue camp, this isn't always the case, especially on

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<v Speaker 2>the more extreme end. The far right militia movement has

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<v Speaker 2>long clashed with federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>and ATF. In the aftermath of January sixth, many Mega

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<v Speaker 2>supporters found themselves at odds with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Republican politicians began to feed into right wing uproar surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI, as Trump himself became a target for investigations

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<v Speaker 2>after the mar Lago raid. In August of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Marjorie Taylor Green tweeted defund the FBI. Arizona Representative Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Gosar joined in attacks on the Bureau, hosting we must

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<v Speaker 2>destroy the FBI, we must save America. That same month,

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<v Speaker 2>right wing columnist and podcaster Liz Wheeler published in op

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<v Speaker 2>ed titled Abolish the FBI, which called to quote farm

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<v Speaker 2>out the vital functions of the FBI and raise the

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<v Speaker 2>rest unquote. The new right publication Compact magazine featured a

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<v Speaker 2>slightly better written article by the same title, Abolish the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI at SAPAC. In March of twenty twenty three, Matt Gates,

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<v Speaker 2>noted pedophile advocated to get rid of the FBI among

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<v Speaker 2>other federal agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>Either get this government back on our side, or we

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<v Speaker 4>defund and get rid of Abolish the FBI, CDC, ATFDJ,

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<v Speaker 4>every last one of them if they do not come

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<v Speaker 4>to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>In a April of twenty twenty three, Trump joined in

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<v Speaker 2>in calls to defund the FBI after being charged with

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four felon accounts of falsipying business records. Next month,

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<v Speaker 2>two former FBI employees testified in a congressional hearing accusing

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<v Speaker 2>the bureau of weaponization against conservatives in regards to the

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth investigations. The same two former FBI employees who

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<v Speaker 2>had their security clearance revoked after espousing J six conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>Later called to quote abolish the FBI at a Heritage

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<v Speaker 2>Foundation symposium on the quote weaponization of the US Government

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<v Speaker 2>in April of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 5>You're given that magic wand that ability to be Jim Jordan,

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<v Speaker 5>what would you do?

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<v Speaker 6>I think you have to abolish the FBI. That's where

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<v Speaker 6>I'm at at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>What now, some people are going to say, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we're gonna have to do you just abolish a What

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<v Speaker 5>would do you Is there a replacement? I mean, you

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<v Speaker 5>can't just not have federal law enforcement, right. I think

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<v Speaker 5>in large part you could just not have federal enforces.

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<v Speaker 2>During a live episode of Donald Trump Junior's podcast on

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<v Speaker 2>July eighth, twenty twenty four, he called to abolish several

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<v Speaker 2>federal agencies, starting with the FBI, as well as the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA and the IRS.

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<v Speaker 3>Ballish the DEA. You know, I imagine of all the

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<v Speaker 3>places to abolish, and I don't know if that's the

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<v Speaker 3>best one. I'd start with the FBI, I'd start with

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<v Speaker 3>the CIA, I'd start with the IRS. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, the DA. Now maybe I know agent

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<v Speaker 3>level guys. So if they're going after narcos and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that, perhaps a little bit more forgiving. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>seem to be setting up or in trapping people like

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump administration has already begun the process to dismantle

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<v Speaker 2>large swaths of the FBI before Cash Mattel has even

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<v Speaker 2>been confirmed by the Senate. Eight top FBI officials have

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<v Speaker 2>been fired or forced resign by order of Acting Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General a meal, despite resistance from Acting FBI Director

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<v Speaker 2>Brian driscoll, a questionnaire was distributed to FBI supervisors requesting

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<v Speaker 2>agents provide information pertaining to their own involvement in the

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth investigations. This was believed to be used for

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<v Speaker 2>the targeted removal of agency personnel. Last week, the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>handed over a list containing the information of five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>employees and agents who worked on the January sixth investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>FBI leadership initially chose to withhold employee names. In response,

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<v Speaker 2>Bove accused the FBI leadership of insubordination. This was ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>a fruitless effort, as data seized by Elon Musk's DOGE

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<v Speaker 2>team could easily match employee IDs to names. Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>since agreed to not publicly release the names of agents

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<v Speaker 2>until at least late March as lawsuits continue, and is

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<v Speaker 2>required to give two days notice if the administration chooses

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<v Speaker 2>to publicly disclose names, but individual agents are still worried.

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<v Speaker 2>An anonymous letter from an FBI agent to Warren's quote. Currently,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an effort to cull a significant number of

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<v Speaker 2>career special agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Around one third of FBI agents were told they would

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<v Speaker 2>be placed on leave, according to a government source who

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<v Speaker 2>spoke on the condition of anonymity, FBI employees have lost

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<v Speaker 2>access to systems, only to later regain access, while others

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<v Speaker 2>were told to wait to find out about their employee status.

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<v Speaker 2>Agents are now trying to negotiate back into their jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>with sources saying FBI employees may be able to stay

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<v Speaker 2>on if they can prove their loyalty to Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>disown the January sixth prosecutions. I write all of this

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<v Speaker 2>not in defense of the FBI, but to demonstrate how

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<v Speaker 2>far Trump is willing to go to expand his executive

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<v Speaker 2>power and transfer law enforcement duties to agencies seen as

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<v Speaker 2>more loyal to the president. Though I doubt the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>will be completely abolished in the next few years, the

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<v Speaker 2>agency could become unrecognizable, a shell of its former self,

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<v Speaker 2>with hardline Trump loyalists replacing the existing and already largely

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<v Speaker 2>conservative workforce. Alternative agencies perceived as being more loyal to Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>like Homeland Security investigations, could start picking up the FBI slack.

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<v Speaker 2>According to a senior government source, on day two of

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's second term, HSI was instructed to reopen investigations into

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty George Floyd protests to quote identify protesters

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<v Speaker 2>BLM rioters like they did to us after January sixth, unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>For another once considered far fetched goal of the conservative

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<v Speaker 2>movement that now seems oddly within grasp, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education. Conservatives have advocated for dismantling the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Education ever since Jimmy Carter signed its modern

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<v Speaker 2>incarnation into law in nineteen seventy nine. Most notably, Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan tried and failed to abolish the department in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one, but Reagan's Commission ironically strengthened support for the department.

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<v Speaker 2>Once Reagan ran into roadblocks he instead sought to limit

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<v Speaker 2>the Department's power and influence. Since then, calls to abolish

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education have been a recurring Republican talking

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<v Speaker 2>point among certain think tanks and politicians, but they have

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<v Speaker 2>struggled to land sizeable blows against the department. Trump previously

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<v Speaker 2>fiddled around with merging the Departments of Education and Labor

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<v Speaker 2>during his first term, but that plan went nowhere. In

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's own Agenda forty seven plan, released in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>he expressed his goal of quote closing up the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Education in Washington, d c. Later, at the National

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<v Speaker 2>Religious Broadcasters twenty twenty four Christian Media Convention in February

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, Donald Trump repeated this promise quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I will close the Federal Department of Education, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will move everything back to the states where it belongs,

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<v Speaker 2>where they can individualize education unquote. Project twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>out lined how to achieve the effective dismantling of the

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<v Speaker 2>department by transferring funding and duties to other departments such

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<v Speaker 2>as Health and Human Services and the DOJ. Opposition to

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education was a frequent topic at the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Robert,

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie and I attended multiple panels and events taking aim

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<v Speaker 2>at the Department, hosted by groups like Moms for Liberty

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<v Speaker 2>and the Heritage Foundation. On the first day of the convention,

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<v Speaker 2>the party ratified their official twenty twenty four RNC platform,

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<v Speaker 2>which called to quote close the Department of Education in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>DC and send it back to the States where it

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<v Speaker 2>belongs and let the states run our educational system as

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<v Speaker 2>it should be run unquote. And now the department seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be next on the Trump doge chopping block. The

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<v Speaker 2>administration is drafting a sweeping executive order. While Trump says

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<v Speaker 2>he wants his education nominee Linda McMahon to quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>put herself out of a job. The planned executive order

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<v Speaker 2>would not just direct the Secretary of Education to begin

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<v Speaker 2>dismantling the department, but also ask Congress for assistance in

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<v Speaker 2>formally abolishing the agency. It's unlikely that Trump would get

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<v Speaker 2>the sixty Senate votes needed to pass the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>necessary legislation, but even if they can't manage to technically

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<v Speaker 2>abolish the department, he could still try to rip it

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<v Speaker 2>scuts out, slash spending, and forcibly resign or fire employees,

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<v Speaker 2>basically make the department simply non functioning, much like what

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<v Speaker 2>Doge did to USAID. Upwards of sixteen DOGE staffers are

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<v Speaker 2>currently listed in the Education Department directory. Federal education employees

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<v Speaker 2>have already received the Fork in the Road resignation buyout offer,

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<v Speaker 2>while others have been fired for alleged links to DEI.

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<v Speaker 2>Without someone like Elon Musk and Trump's administration, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no clear path towards implementing some of the more lofty

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<v Speaker 2>plans proposed by conservative thought leaders, whether they be Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>own Agenda forty seven, the Heritage Foundation's Project twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>or Curtis Yarvin's dream of a national CEO king. Only

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk could do this. You need someone with his influence, connections, money, experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowledge of fringe neo reactionary Silicon Valley political theory

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<v Speaker 2>to propose and carry out something like Doge. So how

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<v Speaker 2>did Musk get here? Though it's common knowledge that Musk

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<v Speaker 2>has drifted pretty severely right word the past five years

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<v Speaker 2>leading into the twenty twenty four presidential campaign, he was

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<v Speaker 2>not an out and proud Trump supporter. As recently as

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, Musk deemed Trump too old to serve

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<v Speaker 2>as president, again, tweeting that it was time for Trump

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<v Speaker 2>to quote hang up his hat and sail into the

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<v Speaker 2>sunset unquote. Initially, Musk threw his support behind the doomed

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<v Speaker 2>presidential bid of Florida Governor Ron De Santis, but as

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<v Speaker 2>it became clear Trump would be the Republican nominee, Musk

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<v Speaker 2>fell in behind his new party line, but his implicit

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<v Speaker 2>support of Trump was kept on the down low. The

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<v Speaker 2>two met in Florida in March of twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>among other wealthy Republican donors, as Trump was lobbying for

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<v Speaker 2>campaign funding. The New York Times reported that Musk did

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<v Speaker 2>not want to publicly endorse Trump as of early twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, telling friends the most he would do was

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<v Speaker 2>an anti Biden endorsement. Instead of public support, Musk would

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<v Speaker 2>create his own super pack to secretly help get Trump elected,

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<v Speaker 2>timing payments so his fiscal backing of Trump's campaign could

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<v Speaker 2>only go public after the election. But all that changed

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<v Speaker 2>on July thirteenth, after Trump's brush with death in Butler, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>Musk seemingly took Trump's call of fight Fight Fight to heart,

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting less than an hour later, quote I fully endorse

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery unquote. This

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<v Speaker 2>opened more frequent communication between Musk and Trump. Later that weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>both Musk and Peter Teel called Trump to recommend J. D.

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<v Speaker 2>Vance as vice president. Next week was the Republican National Convention,

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<v Speaker 2>during which Elon Musk was frequently name dropped, both by

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<v Speaker 2>official speakers and regular attendees talked about as almost some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mythic right wing superhero. On the final day

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<v Speaker 2>of the convention, rumors circulated that Musk himself would make

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise appearance on stage, Though said rumors did not

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<v Speaker 2>come to fruition. Musk's specter haunted the entirety of the RNC.

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<v Speaker 2>Come August, Musk just finished overhauling leadership at his America

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<v Speaker 2>Super Pack and was rigorously pushing pro Trump messaging on

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<v Speaker 2>X the Everything app. On August twelfth, Musk hosted Trump

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<v Speaker 2>in a two hour live streamed phone call dubbed in

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<v Speaker 2>x Space. This conversation marked the first time Trump casually

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<v Speaker 2>spoke at length about the assassination attempt The pair also

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<v Speaker 2>discussed quote unquote migrant crime and the need to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>federal bureaucracy. Trump gave a rare compliment to Musk, calling

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<v Speaker 2>him the greatest cutter, followed up by saying, quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>need an Elon Musk. I need someone that has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of strength and courage and smarts. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>close up the Department of Education, move education back to

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<v Speaker 2>the States unquote. News outlets were more interested in reporting

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<v Speaker 2>on the stream's technical glitches rather than Musk's idea for

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<v Speaker 2>a government efficiency commission, to which Trump responded very positively.

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<v Speaker 2>Next month, on September fourth, Trump announced that, at the

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion of Elon Musk, if elected, he would quote create

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<v Speaker 2>a government Efficiency Commission, tasked with conducting a complete financial

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<v Speaker 2>and performance audit of the entire federal government and making

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<v Speaker 2>recommendations for drastic reforms unquote. Musk himself agreed to be

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<v Speaker 2>appointed head of the commission, aiming to cut trillions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>This announcement was not taken very seriously. The New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times called commissions such as this quote a favor at

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<v Speaker 2>Washington's solution for delaying dealing with hard problems unquote, and

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<v Speaker 2>The Times later reported that the Commission quote can issue

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<v Speaker 2>recommendations around federal funding and regulations, but will be powerless

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<v Speaker 2>to enact them without executive actions by mister Trump or

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<v Speaker 2>funding approval by Congress unquote. Even I can admit that

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<v Speaker 2>both myself and some of my coworkers underestimated Doge's ability

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<v Speaker 2>to physically carry out Musk's suggestions with no Congressional oversight

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<v Speaker 2>or authority. As the election ramped up, musk super Pac

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<v Speaker 2>mobilized thousands of canvassers across key swing states and collected

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<v Speaker 2>data to target both enthusiastic and unlikely voters. Throughout twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, Musk spent over two hundred and ninety million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in contributions in support of the mega campaign, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>via his own super pack. On October fifth, Musk made

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<v Speaker 2>his first appearance at an official campaign event, joining Trump

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<v Speaker 2>for his return to Butler, Pennsylvania. Musk continued to appear

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<v Speaker 2>at Trump rallies in the month leading up to the election.

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<v Speaker 2>By election day, Musk was firmly in Trump's inner circle,

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<v Speaker 2>spending Election night and most of the next week with

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<v Speaker 2>President elect Trump at mar A Lago. After this adbreak,

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<v Speaker 2>we will return to discuss how Elon Musk is now

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<v Speaker 2>trying to become the CEO of the United States of America. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we are back, and now a few months after the election,

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is doing to the United States exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>he did to Twitter. By the end, it still might

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<v Speaker 2>technically function on some level, just worse in every way,

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<v Speaker 2>prone to glitches and full of Nazis. The previous version

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<v Speaker 2>was already bad and harmful, but the new one somehow

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<v Speaker 2>sucks even more and no longer has the aspects that

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<v Speaker 2>made it semi worth while. The fork in when the

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<v Speaker 2>Road deferred resignation letters sent to government employees used the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same title as a similar email sent to Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>employees after Musk bought the company. The Doge team has

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<v Speaker 2>installed sofa beds on the fifth floor of the headquarters

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<v Speaker 2>of the Office of Personnel Management to enable working around

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<v Speaker 2>the clock, mirroring Musk's previous actions. During his takeover of Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>Musk has brought on some of the same exact people

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<v Speaker 2>who helped him take over Twitter, all of whom are

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<v Speaker 2>now special government employees with odd job titles but immense power.

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<v Speaker 2>It was reported and Wired that a Musk stooge told

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<v Speaker 2>General Services Administration workers that the agency will now pursue

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<v Speaker 2>quote an AI first strategy unquote, and that the GSA

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<v Speaker 2>should operate like a quote unquote startup software company. Musk

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<v Speaker 2>has ordered the General Services Administration to terminate leases for

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<v Speaker 2>all roughly seven thousand and five hundred five offices, amidst

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<v Speaker 2>a national call to return to in person work. This

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<v Speaker 2>again is a classic Musk move, taken from his takeover

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<v Speaker 2>of Twitter, in which to cut costs, he refused to

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<v Speaker 2>pay rent for Twitter offices in London, New York City,

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<v Speaker 2>and San Francisco while the buildings were still in use.

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<v Speaker 2>A current GSA employee was quoted and wired as saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>they are acting like this is a takeover of a

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<v Speaker 2>tech company unquote. Musk's own personal success hasn't been from

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<v Speaker 2>his skill as an inventor or a software engineer. What

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<v Speaker 2>he's a proficient at is taking over corporations and molding

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<v Speaker 2>them in his image. This is what happened to Tesla,

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<v Speaker 2>SpaceX and Twitter. In twenty twenty. Musk called the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government quote the ultimate corporation unquote, and now he seeks

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<v Speaker 2>to become CEO. In doing this, Musk is following the

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<v Speaker 2>tech industry motto of move fast and break things. So

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<v Speaker 2>far all his actions bypass Congress, the slow controller of

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<v Speaker 2>stable government, having everything be done via executive order and

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<v Speaker 2>doge helps to speed run a full reboot of the

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<v Speaker 2>administrative state. The motto of the old government may as

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<v Speaker 2>well have been move slow and build things. Progress is slow,

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<v Speaker 2>but detonation is fast. The breakage of government isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>mere side effect or a bug of this expediated form

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<v Speaker 2>of rule. It's a feature to reshape the government into

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<v Speaker 2>their ideal technocracy. First, breaking things is a requirement. They

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<v Speaker 2>might not get away with all of it, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to. They're doing so much so fast, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that they will only get away with some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But with new Supreme Court approved presidential immunity and unlimited

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<v Speaker 2>pardon power, they can try as much as they want

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<v Speaker 2>with zero consequence. These are not the moves you would

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<v Speaker 2>make if you wanted a stable government. It's the moves

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<v Speaker 2>you would make as a new tech company, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why Musk's operation is masked with the Silicon Valley language

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<v Speaker 2>of efficiency. The inefficiencies of government are part of the point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what creates stability makes the country a trusted ally

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<v Speaker 2>and gives the dollar value. Quote. Regulations can be bothersome

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes and downright problematic, but that's kind of the point.

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<v Speaker 2>They act as a control on imprecise and rushed decision making.

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<v Speaker 2>If the cost of doing business is slowing down the process,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the cost that has to be made to quote

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<v Speaker 2>a government employee who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

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<v Speaker 2>But those inefficiencies and pesky regulations really irritate the Silicon

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<v Speaker 2>Valley tech bros who think they are the smartest people

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<v Speaker 2>on the planet. It's their view that since they're so smart,

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't they run the country. Musk has a personal interest

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<v Speaker 2>in slashing the regulatory state, as it interferes with his

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<v Speaker 2>own businesses and dreams of space colonization. Last year, Musk

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that Doge quote was the only path to extending

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<v Speaker 2>life beyond Earth unquote. The White House Press Secretary has

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<v Speaker 2>said that Musk himself will determine when there is a

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<v Speaker 2>conflict of interest involving his businesses and Doge. SpaceX alone

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<v Speaker 2>has received fifteen point four billion dollars in government contracts,

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<v Speaker 2>according to The New York Times. The large reduction in

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<v Speaker 2>the federal workforce through the combined efforts of DOGE and

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<v Speaker 2>Schedule F. There is an irrefutable similarity to a plan

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<v Speaker 2>outlined by New Right blogger Curtis Jarvin, Peter Teel's favorite philosopher.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, Robert Evans did a behind the Bastards on

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<v Speaker 2>Curtis Yarvin, and you should absolutely check that out for

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<v Speaker 2>more information. In twenty twenty two, Yarvin outlined how a

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<v Speaker 2>second Trump term could quote unquote reboot the United States government.

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<v Speaker 2>This plan amounts to a corporate takeover of government, which

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<v Speaker 2>subsequently re shapes the structure of government, akin to a corporation.

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<v Speaker 2>Though in Yarvin's mind, it is not President Trump who

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<v Speaker 2>assumes the role of CEO. Instead, the President acts as

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<v Speaker 2>chairman of the board, and before inauguration should select a

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<v Speaker 2>CEO who is an experienced executive. This appointed CEO could

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<v Speaker 2>then quote run the executive branch without any interference from

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<v Speaker 2>Congress or the courts, to quote Jarvin, while President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>reviews the CEO's performance in the background, Jarvin writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>most existing important institutions, public and private, will be shut

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<v Speaker 2>down and replaced with new and efficient systems. Trump will

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<v Speaker 2>be monitoring this CEO's performance on TV and can fire

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<v Speaker 2>him if need be. Unquote. Musk may believe that he

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<v Speaker 2>has successfully maneuvered Trump into appointing him CEO, but Trump

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<v Speaker 2>could be well aware of Musk's ambitions, but is keeping

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<v Speaker 2>him around as an emergency patsy, ready to fire when needed.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump admin is currently testing the limits of presidential authority,

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<v Speaker 2>and once those limits get surpassed by the standards of

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<v Speaker 2>Senate Republicans, Musk is the easiest guy to blame and

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<v Speaker 2>push out of the administration's inner circle. The first step

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<v Speaker 2>in Yarvin's plan has the Trump campaign running on centralizing

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<v Speaker 2>executive power to eliminate government inefficiency. This was both in

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<v Speaker 2>line with Project twenty twenty five and Musk's suggestion of

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<v Speaker 2>an efficiency commission once Trump gets into office. The plan

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<v Speaker 2>is as follows. Purge bureaucracy what Yarvin calls rage retire

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<v Speaker 2>all government employees. This is essentially being carried out by

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<v Speaker 2>doge schedule left and by just pressuring career employees to

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<v Speaker 2>accept deferred resignation offers. By threatening future mass layoffs, senior

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<v Speaker 2>level officials have been replaced by a batch of loyal

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<v Speaker 2>tech oligarchs with links to and Peter Teel. The stupidity

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<v Speaker 2>of Doge was almost a secret weapon. The cryptocurrency meanness

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<v Speaker 2>made everyone in respectable society not take the idea seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the worst an advisory commission could do with no

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<v Speaker 2>power to enforce its suggestions. Oops. Another step in Yarvin's

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<v Speaker 2>plan is to nullify elite institutions of power like the

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<v Speaker 2>media and academia. Musk's takeover of Twitter has gone a

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<v Speaker 2>long way in altering the country's information ecosystem. The Trump

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<v Speaker 2>adman seems to be utilizing Steve Bannon's flood the Zone

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<v Speaker 2>strategy to distract and exhaust the media, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>more directed attacks. On January thirty, first, the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Defense kicked out NBC News, The New York Times, NPR,

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<v Speaker 2>and Politico from their in house press offices and replace

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<v Speaker 2>them with one American News, The New York Post, Brightbart

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<v Speaker 2>and huff Post. Under from Doge, the White House has

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<v Speaker 2>ordered government agencies to cancel subscriptions to policy news services

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<v Speaker 2>from multiple news outlets. A White House advisor told Axios, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the eye of sourn is on more than just Politico.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the media unquote. In terms of attacks on academia,

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<v Speaker 2>the federal grant freeze has had devastating effects on university research.

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<v Speaker 2>Another step in Yarvin's plan is to co opt Congress

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<v Speaker 2>and ignore the courts. This is where we are at

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<v Speaker 2>right now. The goal is to reduce both the judicial

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<v Speaker 2>and legislative branches to being purely ceremonial and advisory, as

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<v Speaker 2>advocated by Yarvin. So far, the Trump administration has effectively

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<v Speaker 2>sidestepped the legislative bodies via Elon Musk and Doge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>highly unlikely Trump would ever be impeached or removed by

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<v Speaker 2>this Congress. Furthermore, this Congress seems to have willfully given

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<v Speaker 2>up on their power over the federal budget. To quote

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<v Speaker 2>senior government official quote, the real challenge is that Congress

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<v Speaker 2>is on board for now in losing their own budgetary authority.

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<v Speaker 2>So far, a loan security guard standing outside you, sayed

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<v Speaker 2>and the Department of Education has been enough to deter

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<v Speaker 2>resistance from the Democratic Party. Last week, I interviewed to

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<v Speaker 2>Derek Black, a constitutional law professor at the University of

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. The full interview will air tomorrow, but here's

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<v Speaker 2>his short take on the current situation.

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<v Speaker 1>When Congress is willing to hand the keys over to

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<v Speaker 1>the president, then we really no longer really have a democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the constitutional democracy that was created, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple centuries ago. So the bigger danger, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is that through law itself, Congress sedes more and more

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<v Speaker 1>power to the president with a new legislation. So if

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<v Speaker 1>Congress were to pass new legislation giving the president more

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<v Speaker 1>centralized power, well that would be a concerning thing to

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<v Speaker 1>me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The real road block is the courts. The Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>has already displayed a willingness to ignore the courts, based

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<v Speaker 2>on the continued halting of federal spending and grants despite

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<v Speaker 2>an order from a US district judge. The Justice Department

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<v Speaker 2>has argued that the order to resume funding quote contains

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<v Speaker 2>several ambiguous terms and provisions that could be read to

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<v Speaker 2>constitute significant intrusions on the executive branch's lawful authorities and

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<v Speaker 2>the separation of powers unquote. This past weekend, Musk raged

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<v Speaker 2>against a federal judge who ordered to temporarily restrict doja's

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<v Speaker 2>access to Treasury Department data. Both Musk and the White

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<v Speaker 2>House have labeled the judge an activist with White House

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<v Speaker 2>spokesperson Harrison Fields calling the order quote absurd and judicial

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<v Speaker 2>overreach unquote. On x the Everything app, Musk boosted claims

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<v Speaker 2>calling this a judicial coup and shared an announcement from

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<v Speaker 2>California Representative darryl Isa to introduce legislation to quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>stop these rogue judges. But even without added legislation, Musk

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<v Speaker 2>and the Trump administration are gearing up to directly defy

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<v Speaker 2>judicial authority. On Saturday, Musk shared a tweet reading, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the president it sets when you defy a

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<v Speaker 2>judicial ruling, But I'm just wondering what other options are

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<v Speaker 2>these judges leaving us if they're going to blatantly disregard

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution for their own partisan political goals unquote. And

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, Vice President J. D Vance posted a statement

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<v Speaker 2>undermining judicial power. Quote. If a judge tried to tell

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<v Speaker 2>a general how to conduct a military operation, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be illegal. If a judge tried to command the attorney

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<v Speaker 2>general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 2>that's also illegal. Judges aren't allowed to control executive's legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>power unquote. So now it all comes down to force

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<v Speaker 2>if the executive branch not just ignores judicial authority but

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<v Speaker 2>blatantly defies it, who would be left to enforce the

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<v Speaker 2>power of the court. That leads us to another step

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<v Speaker 2>in Yarvin's plan, centralize the police, nationalize local law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>to place them under federal control. Trump has flirted with

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<v Speaker 2>his tactic in the past, when he deputized Washington police

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<v Speaker 2>as US marshals to kill Michael Rhinol In twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>DOGE staff threatened to call us marshals when you say

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<v Speaker 2>to security officials who have since been fired, denied them

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<v Speaker 2>access to classified systems. Jarvin believes this step is paramount quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Support of the democratic public is a cipher. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that actually all you need is command of the police unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have all of the guys with guns who

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<v Speaker 2>can physically stop you. Support from the public doesn't hurt, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and if things get tricky, Trump could employ the next

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<v Speaker 2>step in Yarvin's plan. Mobilize populist support. But crucially, don't

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<v Speaker 2>wait until you're at your weakest at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>your term after losing an election under popular mandate. Deploy

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<v Speaker 2>your empowered supporters at the height of your powers to

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<v Speaker 2>oppose any obstruction from government agencies or the courts, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>may weaponize a Supreme Court ordained presidential immunity and his

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<v Speaker 2>unrestricted pardon power to make any willing actor carry out

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<v Speaker 2>his bidding with zero risk of legal consequence. Now, even

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<v Speaker 2>if Trump himself isn't aware of Yarvin's plan, his vice

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<v Speaker 2>president certainly is. On a far right podcast in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, JD. Vance laid out a very similar vision

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<v Speaker 2>for a second Trump term, using what the Peter Teel

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<v Speaker 2>protege described as a dewocification program to purge bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Trump is going to run again in twenty

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<v Speaker 7>twenty four. I think he'll probably win again in twenty

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<v Speaker 7>twenty four. I think that what Trump should do, like

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<v Speaker 7>if I was giving him one piece of advice, fire

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<v Speaker 7>every single mid level bureaucrat, every civil sermon in the

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<v Speaker 7>administrative state, replace them with our people. And when the courts,

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<v Speaker 7>because you will get taken to court. And then when

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<v Speaker 7>the courts stop, you stand before the country like Andrew

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<v Speaker 7>Jackson did, and say the Chief Justice has made his ruling,

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<v Speaker 7>now let him enforce it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jarvin writes that the initial goal of this new administration

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<v Speaker 2>should not be simply to govern, but to quote figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what the Trump administration can actually do when it

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<v Speaker 2>assumes the full constitutional power is given to the chief

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<v Speaker 2>executive of the executive branch unquote. What the administration can

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<v Speaker 2>do once they fully seize this power is so incredibly vast.

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<v Speaker 2>Without checks and balances, all those crazy things Trump tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do during his first term would be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier to enact, let alone, whatever Musk and the tech

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<v Speaker 2>oligarchs want out of the United States incorporated. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole separate topic. The current fight determines the degree

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<v Speaker 2>to which this power is seized, and Jarvin notes the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of going all the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>When Trump in twenty seventeen took office, he took about

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<v Speaker 2>zero point zero one percent of power. If Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one wants to have more than zero point

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<v Speaker 2>zero zero one percent of power, the only way he

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<v Speaker 2>can do it is to take one hundred percent, take

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<v Speaker 2>it all at once, completely legally. The real Donald J.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump would never have the guts to even think of

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, and he's just too old unquote funny pessimism

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<v Speaker 2>from Jarvin. There, all of this doesn't even need to

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<v Speaker 2>benefit average Trump supporters because Trump's main campaign promise wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>mass deportations, fixing the economy, or abolishing the Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>It was retribution as extremism. Analyst Jared Holt notes, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the right got its base so hooked on the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of revenge. He doesn't even need to pretend that any

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<v Speaker 2>of this benefits their base in any tangible way. They

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<v Speaker 2>just have to say it hurts the wrong people, and

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<v Speaker 2>that satisfies them. Unquote. If Trump and Musk continue to

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<v Speaker 2>get their way, it could take years to fix. But

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<v Speaker 2>the past ten years have shown us you can't really

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<v Speaker 2>return to normal. There probably is no going back. The

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<v Speaker 2>options are to hunker down and play it slow and

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<v Speaker 2>try to survive whatever happens in the next two to

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<v Speaker 2>four years while offering passive resistance, or we accelerate to

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<v Speaker 2>whatever comes next, put cards on the table, trigger a

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<v Speaker 2>kinetic confrontation, and fully manifest the results of this constitutional crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>We are dealing with managing crumbles versus a full system's collapse.

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