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You're an elite you're an elite network influencer. Yeah, 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.520 it's a Britique offering. You have a velvet rope behind 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.240 our conversations. You know, I'm a man of the people, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.080 as you know, and say no, you we're getting rid 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.600 of the velvet rope just for this. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.960 When I heard when I got the email that I 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.880 was being asked to be on the Chuck podcast, I 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.720 immediately told my wife. I've made it. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:14.200 You know. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.040 Well, I thought Chuck was blackballing me off of the 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.400 Chuck Podcast. Apparently not. He must be hard off for guests. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:21.520 Somebody canceled. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.920 No, I bucked ken Burns for you. But how about that, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.480 you know America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday in the 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.960 American Revolution. We can wait a few days on that. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.399 Can I trade bank accounts? 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.880 Now? Well that's there, you got I teeth. Look we 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.440 were we did a live stream on Tuesday night. Yeah, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.560 but you know, in many cases, you know, you have 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.920 the immediate moments when you deal, and then you know, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.040 you get a day, you get a night, you get 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.400 to sort of see this. And you know, since we 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:58.320 last saw you as a pair, Jasmine Crockett is conceited 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.640 quite quickly. And I think there was some question about 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.320 whether Taller I think Taller Rico's management of that was 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.560 quite deft when he said, hey, we're not calling, We're 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.360 not claiming victory until all the votes are counted in Dallas, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.200 which has made it harder for Crockett to have a 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.720 grievance when her own opponent was willing to have her 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.800 back there. And now it's you know, and now all 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.200 the all the eyes are on the Republican side. By 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.280 the way, we still don't have all the votes in No, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:26.959 we still don't. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.239 Have Look, it's like ninety five percent, and I do 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:35.840 think Cornan will finish a heag marginally. I mean, it's 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.040 it's basically going to effectively be a wash. It's eight 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.080 ninety seven point eighty four to eight seventy one, six seventy. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.440 So Cornyan has had by twenty six thousand votes with 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.160 ninety more than ninety five percent. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.960 In Here is the stat that moved me the most 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.240 that I saw today, and that is in counties that 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.640 Donald Trump one by fifty points or more. In the 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.280 deep red Texas County, Okay, all right, Paxton consistently led 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.280 corn In by four to five points for four to 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.320 forty when you put all those together. So I look 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:18.080 at that and you're just, you know, Cornyn, the question 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.720 is can Cornn get to fifty? Right? 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:21.000 Like? 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.040 You know this is you start to look and I 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.960 it's you know, it's fascinating. I'm gonna share an anecdote 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.800 with you. I was running some errands on Wednesday morning, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.760 and you know, you know, you live in your neighborhood. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.479 You have the same people you run into and you know, 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.280 and these are people that are not political people, but 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.320 they know what I do for a living. And you know, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.560 I was ran into one of these acquaintances and I said, yeah, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.120 I'm tired. I was covering the Texas primaries. You know, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.280 I'm just sort of groggy, sorry, or something like that. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.520 And this person said, oh, those were last night. He goes, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.880 so what happened? And you know, meaning but you know, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.280 you know, and I said, and he said, who won 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.760 that Democratic? And I said, the young pastor did Tella Rico? 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.080 He goes, oh, I'm relieved. He goes, you know, I 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.680 just exhausted from the bomb throwers. And it was just, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.960 you know, we've been having this debate, Chris, right, which 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.400 is where is the Democratic primary electorate? Is it in 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.320 fight mode or is it in exhaustion mode? And in 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.760 twenty eighteen it felt exhaustion right, they were in twenty twenty, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.400 twenty eighteen and twenty twenty it was less fight back 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.640 and more like this is crazy, let's have a reset, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.680 and they're all The messaging was sort of around that. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.720 All the candidates sort of leaned into that whether you're 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.400 Alyssa Slotkin. And yet this first year of Trump's second term, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.400 we've seen the fighters, whether it's Gavin Newsom in the 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.680 presidential stakes, or frankly, it was Jasmine Crockett who jumped 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.760 out sort of tortoise and hair type of mindset. Right. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.279 She jumped out early and was doing better than I 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.080 think a lot of us expected, and we thought, oh boy, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.960 this this fighter mentality maybe getting you know, Democrats, maybe 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.560 they want to punch her. They don't necessarily want a preacher, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.000 and yet they do. You know, you look at the twenty, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.159 then you look at the Virginia New Jersey races. Yeah, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:10.120 and you look at the the style of Mom Donnie Okay, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:14.320 which is moderate in tone even if it's progressive, totalte 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.120 and you're asked and you're like, maybe Gavin Newsom has 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.120 this wrong, maybe he's making a mistake. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.800 It's so funny that you said that, because one of 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.479 the things I really like, it's always hard. I'll first say, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.400 it's always hard when we're live and we're trying to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.440 analyze in real time. You're not totally sure where the 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.640 votes are coming from, and you obviously don't have a 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.280 minute to kind of step back and just be like, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.680 I'm going to go through each race. I'm gonna look 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.440 at each race and be like, oh, that's interesting, that's 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.000 not It's hard to have like deeper thoughts. That's why 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.160 I like a couple days after you can sort through. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.640 I was on Wednesday morning. I was just looking at 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.560 the results and I was thinking about the conversations you 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.200 and I have had in the run up to this 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.840 Tallar Eico Crockett, which is that a lot of the 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.039 national media has painted this as liberal husband Crockett against 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.360 moderate James Telrico, which is totally wrong. And I'll point 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.880 you to it. There's a great stat out there. There's 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.000 a great map online that shows that in the counties 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:15.360 that Bernie Sanders won in the Texas primary, tell Rico 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.560 won by forty points. I mean, the reason that he 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.080 won is because of the left. Crockett was never a 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.120 that was never a governing dynamic. But the other thing 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.720 I was thinking about, to your point, is like the 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.880 fighter versus uniter or the you know, the the over 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.160 partisan versus the kind of I don't want to call 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.480 Tallary called bipartisan, but a lot less partisan energy. And 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.920 I was thinking, you know, what like, it's one data point. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.280 But if I'm Pete boodage age or like a Shapiro. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.480 I feel like a bit Andy Bisheer. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.560 I felt a little bit better after on the day 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.200 after than I did the day before. And again it's 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.200 one data point. Like if Graham Plattner in Maine goes 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.000 and beach Janet Mills by thirty points, Okay, we're never 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.880 having a different conversation, right, you know, so I would. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.560 Also, I don't want to discount the following phenomenon, which 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.280 is there's you know, when you've been beaten to a 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.640 pulp like Texas Democrats have been for the last twenty years, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:16.680 you're you're like anything, you know, there's there's a I'm 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.120 going to quote an old Eddie Murphy stand up line. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.280 It is like when you're a starving person, any cracker 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.160 tastes like our ritz, you know, and he's like, oh man, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.360 this is a great cracker. When you're starving, anything tastes 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:32.240 like our writs. Right, And it is so that there 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.240 is you know, this is why you know, one primary 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.040 does not make a trend, and you have to wait 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.360 and we have to watch and look Illinois in two 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.000 weeks presents. You know, there's all sorts of flavors of 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.520 Democrats you can pick from in that Democratic primary in 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.920 Illinois that frankly I think has been hijacked by big 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.760 money in a way that gosh to two extraordinary methods. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.800 But let's put a pin in that buying the office, no, 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.040 no doubt. But when you what you have so I 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.720 you know, is this say Texas Democrats are exhausted and 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.199 they're looking for a winner, you know? Or is this 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.400 you know? So that's that'd be the only caution I 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:08.640 want to put in here. But I have to say. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.959 Nate Silver wrote a really interesting piece this morning on 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.040 Wednesday about Kid tell Rico win correct and it was 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.720 I I was talking about this issue of partisan versus moderate, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.760 which is that we and he correctly said a lot 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.679 of sort of inexperienced I call him in a you know, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.800 the problem with big mainstream media these days, or whatever's 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.400 left of it, is that there's a lot of important 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.959 legacy titles with a lot of inexperienced political reporters, you 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.720 know who think politics started you know, after you know, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.720 when Donald Trump came down the escalator and don't really 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.520 have a lot of experience beyond sort of the last 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.120 eight to ten years of American politics. And and so 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.079 you know the difference between partisan. You can be moderate 0:09:56.120 --> 0:10:01.440 and temperament and still very ideologically either Conserva or modern. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:02.600 So I'll give you you know. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.400 And that's mom. Donnie, I think is such a good 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.640 example of that. People. How could he go and get 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.360 along with Trump because he's temperamentially moderate even though on 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.320 a policy perspective he's very very liberal. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.720 So you know, one of the most conservative senators that 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.679 Florida's ever had, and arguably more conservative than the two 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.839 senators that they have at the moment, was a guy 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.800 named Connie Mack. Totally honey, Connie Mack. I used to 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.360 call him the conservative with a smile because when he 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.880 ran as a conservative, and he ran when he won 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:35.920 an eighty eight uh, he won, I think despite his ideology. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 But it was because he was just simply a nice guy. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.080 That's really was Connie Mack your pal? And he was 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.920 just sort of and he always was. He was he's 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.880 always it goes. Reagan is the great, you know example, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.079 and he was Reagan, which was, hey, look, if you're 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.000 going to sell austerity, you ought to be don't better 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.079 be with a smile, don't be a dick. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.080 Yeah, exactly. You know, it's a simple lesson, But it's 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.400 actually because I was thinking about that with Chip. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.280 Roymembertism with George W. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.319 Bush, and I know, like Chip Roy is kind of unlikable, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.040 do you know what I mean? And he got pummeled 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.040 in the Attorney General's race, like it does matter. We 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.040 talk about we always talk about Tim Burchett. Tim Burchett 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.520 is like among the most conservative members of Congress, but 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.160 like Algender, const Cortez loves him because he's like a 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.000 he's like a It's exactly what you said. He's not 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.600 overly partisan, even though he's very conservative. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.200 Another example on the right Mike Pence. Mike Pence, you know, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.520 lived in the same neighborhood I'd lived in for a while. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.400 Everybody loved him. I don't know if anybody would have 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.200 ever voted for him, Okay, in the neighborhood. He was 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.880 very you know, and yet he was the guy that 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.120 you know, would bring in your garbage cans if you 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.080 were if you didn't have a chance to do it 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.800 because you were late coming. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.120 And I think people don't understand that. I think that's 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.800 such an important intall. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.120 Errico may have this, and it may matter more to 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.480 Texans than perhaps it does folks in Illinois, or perhaps 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.880 it does. I mean, and so I I but but 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.199 there is something about temperament here that I think we're 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.800 we're you know, we're we're all trying to figure this 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.760 out in this second Trump term, which is our Democrats. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.000 And the thing is, if you're online, if you're a 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.240 Pod Save America Democrat, you're you're on edge. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.679 You're midas touch Democrat. You hate him and everything he does. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.440 Yeah, but you know, if you're sort of not, if 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.040 you're trying to tune it out and you're you're you're 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.960 more looking, you know, but you're still you know, hopefully 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.640 you're subscribing to YOU or I because you're like. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.480 Let's you're making some attention, Yeah. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.200 But you don't really want to be lectured all the 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.400 time in the screen and made to feel like the 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.199 sky is falling every second of the day. You're you're 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.280 looking for change, but you're looking for a change in 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.359 tone as much as a change in in in ideology. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.400 And look again, this maybe it's one state. It's one 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.600 very big state. Yep, it's it's gigantic and. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.079 A ton of profile and a ton of attention. I 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.319 I like the the main race is probably the clearest 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.280 example of that. The choice, I also think it's a 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.360 three way race is a little more complicated. But in 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.880 the Michigan Senate primary, you kind of have Hailey Stevens, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.839 the member of Congress, who's very much like I'm not 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.520 going to talk about how terrible Trump is. You have 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.400 Abdul l si Ed, who's like Justice Democrat Bernie Sanders. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.959 And then I think McMorrow probably winds up being the Mallard. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.080 McMorrow winds up being on me, who's kind of a hybrid. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.199 She's Goldilocks. Yeah, exactly right. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.840 But I don't know, But I mean, there will be 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.320 more data points. And look again, if Graham Platner beats 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.719 Janet Mills by fifteen points in the main primary, you 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.000 know that, then the tall Eco thing looks like just 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.920 a data point that's contradicted by that data point, right, Like, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:42.360 we don't know. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.319 Yeah, well, let's talk. Let's have a little fun here. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.000 I was. I did this sort of scenario with a 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.480 couple of people earlier, earlier today, and this is the following. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.520 If the Democrats had been the dominant political party in 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.640 Texas for the last thirty years, and the Republicans were 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.800 the ones that have had a hard time winning general elections. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.480 Does the Republican electorate become more mindful of quote unquote electability? 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.560 And and does the Democrat you know, and I say 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.520 this in that the fact is we've actually seen this 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.440 play out. Right, Why does a moderate Republican like Larry 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.760 Hogan successfully navigate a primary in Maryland that yes, he 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.000 had a conservative. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.920 Murphy Cracker thing, right, You're. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.840 Like, well, maybe this guy can win, right, And you know, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.080 it's it's one of those that that Crockett probably wins. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.880 If Democrats had gotten comfortable winning. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.120 One hundred percent. I think it's it's so much of 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.240 it is expectations, right, if you've won and you control 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.280 I mean, look, we're talking about this. You know Gary Morrow, right, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.040 is the last Democrat to win statewide in two thousand 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.000 and four. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.120 No, nineteen eighty four, nineteen ye. I mean, that's a 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.000 long ass time you were in college or high school. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:14:59.320 I was. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.400 I was graduating from past that was my high school 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.640 graduation and I turned fifty a few days ago, So 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.880 that tells you how long it was like I do 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.040 think there is a a an element of like, look, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:19.320 we don't have the luxury of picking the perfect. We 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.560 have to vote with our head more than our heart. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.200 And I think that always is the case in places 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:32.200 where you've been down one party has been down for 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.760 an extended period of time, you are more willing to 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.920 be like, it's not my cup of tea. But like, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.920 I've spent the last twenty five years under Democratic rule. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.320 So maybe Charlie Baker as the governor of Massachusetts or whatever, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.400 you know, like he's probably too moderate for me, but like, 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:48.280 you know, and I. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.760 Think that that better than those liberals over there, right. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.800 Because you know what it's like to live under if 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.600 you're a Democrat in Texas, you've spent probably most of 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.840 your adult life under almost fied Republican rule. So you 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.560 now know, like, I'm not letting the perfect get in 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.000 the way of the good here, right, And I do 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 think I think that's human nature to do that. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.280 I don't want to let Texas go without picking a 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.360 few knits because you know, one of it was interesting 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.800 last night, we had some we had you know, all 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.080 of the as Missus Todd likes to say, she goes 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.120 I love the numbers guys that you guys have on 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.120 the livest Nerds. Yeah, you know, because I say that, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.480 I say that lovingly. But if I had one, you know, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.200 there was this well, hey, it just broke down the 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.640 exact same way that Royce West and m J. Hagar 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.400 broke down. And you're like, Okay, that's true, except you 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.520 know what both Crockett and what Crockett had that that 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.320 Royce West didn't have was money and attention and a. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.880 Way bigger profile. Nobody except people like us even knew 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:48.960 who Royce West was. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.920 So what I would the knits I'd pick here is that. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.600 So I think I'm going to separate Jasmine Crockett political 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.160 athlete right when you have like, you know, you take 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:04.640 the A good example of my be a let's take 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.280 my son's favorite NBA team, the Phoenix Suns. He's very 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.040 frustrated they have one of the best players in the 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.320 NBA that that doesn't get enough enough attention. And yet 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.800 is it Booker's fault that he has a terrible infrastructure 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.240 around him, that he's got a you know, a campaign manner, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.720 I mean, an owner that's you know, way to this 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.119 right that the big all the The point is is 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.600 that so here she was a really good political athlete 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.600 who had a terrible infrastructure round because I at the 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:32.560 end of the day, she. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.000 Did not run a good campaign. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.800 She did not she did not have a statewide organization. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.679 She was sort of she You know. The problem is 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.760 it strikes me as she was the candidate and the manager, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.760 and you have to have versus Talla. 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