WEBVTT - Black Culture, Gated by Whiteness | MiniPod 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.600 Native lamppod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:08.520 Reason Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.320 Welcome home, y'all. It is Native Lands mini pod that 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.279 drops every week. Many many, many many mini pods can do. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:19.680 He does that. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.800 He's disruptive, he likes being disrupted. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.400 For our one hundredth episode, Can I just. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.200 Say Andrew to be one of the most polite people 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.760 I've ever met when we hit record on this podcast. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.040 I don't know who you morphed into. It's a grimlin. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:36.960 He's disruptive. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.599 No, I morphed into a young brother who wants to 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:42.239 pester you. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:51.520 On that note, being pestered, Yes, we have two things. One, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.680 what are we going to do for the hundredth episode? 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:59.120 But that is right, that's something to consider. Two next week, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.000 I believe it in next week or the week after 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.520 is the holiday and national holidays? 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.119 White chairs? 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.479 What are we doing for that? Wouldn't it beautiful if 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.800 our one hundredth episode, But it doesn't. It doesn't go. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:18.479 You know what we need to. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.920 Ask, you know, we should ask if it will let 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.200 us use that picture of Momo in that white chair 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.200 for the chair episode. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.120 I know she won't, but we could. She never shows 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.720 the babies, but I do like it. Well anyway, there's 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.240 a heads up that we have this this holiday coming up, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.360 but for this particular episode. You know, on this week 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.680 on the podcast, we were talking about like black elitism. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.039 We had that great interview with Lanny Smith from I'm 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.000 Actively Black. Thank you guys for tuning in and weighing 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.880 in with your thoughts there. I'm still going through and 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.760 sifting through comments, so I appreciate, uh, the input that 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.960 you guys always have. But it did kind of we 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.480 had a few different threads. It led us to a 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.280 few different places when it comes to community. And one 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.600 thing we talked about was that Angela, you kind of 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.000 perked up when we said this, when we talked about 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.320 during my time at BT, we had to be all 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.679 things to off people. And when it came to news 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:21.400 and information, Black people like their information validated by white folks. Yes, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.560 like we could do the same programming, but if it 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.440 was on CNN, then it was legit. And I just 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.720 wonder why that is, what's the danger in that? Where 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.600 did that come from? Obviously white supremacy, It can it 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.560 be disrupted? How do we disrupt it in a lot 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.720 of ways. It has been disrupted. You know, social media 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.000 certainly democratized who has a voice and who gets the 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.880 way in. But that came with a lot of challenges 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.080 because people call themselves journalists are not journalists. You having 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.120 a cell phone and a podcast does not make you 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.079 a journalist. Citizen journalism where people are like reporting who 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.320 don't really know how to capture a story. I think 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.160 these things are great because it's access to information, but 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.640 you have to know how to decipher and intermix that. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.959 So I don't know I and you know we saw 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.639 people get do you like take advantage and spread disinformation 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.760 intentionally or unintentionally in doing things like that? So it 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.720 seems like a sticky time and a sticky topic. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.800 I appreciate this topic for a number of reasons. What 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:29.920 it reminds me of is white validation by black people 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.240 hasn't always only been sought in the news space. I 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.440 can think of a time growing up where I heard 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.400 elders say things like no, I need my doctor to 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:43.880 be white, right, and it is scary, Like I strive 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:49.640 to find black medical professionals and black lawyers, and like 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.400 I like for my team to be black, and so 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.120 it is. It's jarring to hear people say that, you know, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.040 white ice or show white ice is colder and that 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.800 white is right. And I don't just think it is 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.840 isolated to the new space. I wonder if some of 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.200 that just has to do with like slavery mentality, right, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.880 like if you people cozied up to Massa, because if 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.279 they did, maybe that meant their lives would be saved, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.720 literally saved. Maybe that meant their families wouldn't be broken up. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.520 I don't know where it comes from, but it does 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.000 make me very uncomfortable, especially when you heard Lanny say 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.280 on the show, right, like thirty billion dollars we spend 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:35.320 thirty billion dollars on on on apparel in our community, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.120 and yes, apparel and shoes the thing that also just 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.440 comes to mind, and now I feel like I'm hopping 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.800 all over the place. Vince Evans sent me something on 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.600 Instagram the other day of an entity that was holding 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.720 like a back to school drive for clothes and shoes, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.679 but they were giving out nikes. You know, people started 0:04:55.720 --> 0:05:00.640 waking waiting in that line at nine pm the night before, right, 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.880 and we had to really really promote, like giving away 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.279 food or paying a light bill or whatever. And the 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.440 question really was that was thought of? Is what would 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.279 have happened if we would have been given away sneakers? 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.440 So I think I do want to understand, like, what 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.760 is our attachment to looking good? Have we assigned you know, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.200 psychology to how we appear if we look the part, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.160 does that mean we ready to really, you know, play 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.520 the part a little better? What is it about white 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.000 supremacist mentality and structures that have made us think that 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.880 that's better collectively? Not me as an individual, I've said that, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.479 but yeah, I'm curious to understand y'all's thoughts about this 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.680 white validation model and how he disrupted. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.360 I just want to say, because you referenced Vince a lot, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.040 Vince Evans is incorrect me, You's wrong. He's the executive 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.520 director of the Congressional Black Caucus. Yes, somebody you work 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.919 with on stage of People tour, and as you all know, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.760 I mentioned it a few times. Angela used to be 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.960 executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus, so he is 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.800 her successor. Many times baby shout out to. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:09.440 Events, thank you the boss. Sorry, Andrew, No, no, I 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.040 met him on Andrew's campaign that's another thing. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:16.960 Sorry was a rattler and a very very smart political strategist, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.600 so they're lucky to have them. Angelau raised, I thought, too, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.760 you may you may have stated them as one, but 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.480 I felt like two different strands of this, which were 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.240 sort of the value or the stock we put on presentation, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.560 how we look brand that includes brands that include labels 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.359 that includes color of the bottom of your shoe, you know, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.960 and so on and so forth. And then I think 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.880 there is probably the question that is encompassing of this all, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:55.400 which is where did we learn that white was right? 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.320 And that didn't mean that other things weren't right, but 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.680 it needed to be measured up against. When did we 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:07.479 make the Eurocentric standard the ruler by which all things 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:14.560 are to be measured. It's a sad acknowledgment. It is 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.920 a true acknowledgment, however, and I think for those who 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.680 it is not true, for meaning those in our community 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:26.240 who resist that have to resist it actively. And the 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.760 reason why I say it has to be actively resisted 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:35.240 this mentality is this white pejoritarian and majoritarian view of 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:41.120 where we put value, is that society in every single 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:46.800 way reinforces white is right in every single way. If 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.200 a black person does this thing, it's looked at as 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:55.960 criminal ghetto. I can't believe they tried it. Tiffany referenced 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.360 this in our main episode this week, where she said, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.680 had b Et spun off with Real Housewives franchise and 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.520 began with the Real Housewives of Atlanta or Potomac or whatever, 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.000 she is absolutely right. We would have blown be Et 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:17.680 up and basically said, you are bastardizing our black women 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.800 who have achieved certain levels of success in our society, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.600 and now you're telling the rest of the world that 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.360 all we do is fight, that all we can manage 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.680 doing is yelling at each other, backstabbing each other, and 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.679 talking about each other behind each other's back. That's what 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.679 you're telling the world that we are. Andy Cohen does it, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.040 and it's like everybody's a celebrity now, right, everybody you know, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.200 they're the hottest thing since you know slight spread. So 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.040 what I mean by actively resistant is you actually have 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:54.480 to play through your mind the scenario of like questioning, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.040 why did I do a thing a certain way? Why 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.840 do I feel like in order to go into this establishment, 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.439 I have to look like this when there's not even 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.480 a dress code that would dictate such right. But I 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.680 mentally told myself, from a standpoint of value, in bringing 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.880 value and being seen as a person of value, this 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.120 is how I have to look and moreover, this is 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.319 how I have to comport myself. We talked about Rolf 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.480 Lauren Polo. I think about the fact that ral Lauren has, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.880 you know, done all these Olympic uniforms. I don't know 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.680 for how many years it's been doing it, but for 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.440 as long as I can remember, I just remember summer 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.840 Olympics uniforms being done by Ralph Lauren Polo Polo, Ralph Lauren, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:41.880 and they're so in my pinch opinion, Nantucket versus Martha's 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.760 Vineyard and the way they look and what you know, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.199 I don't necessarily associate. It isn't like, that's not my 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.720 version of Americana. If I have a version of Americana, right, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.040 or what I would say, what would be my version 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.720 of Patriotism? Right? That doesn't it didn't necessarily reflect me. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.080 But it is very apple pie American apple pie, and 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.640 athletes galore, black, white and otherwise don them and they 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.840 don't have a choice. They have to domn them. And 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.839 then all of us who are viewing it. They make 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.280 up our minds since we saw lebron in it and 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.440 everybody else that now this is the status this is 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:26.760 the new status quo. And anything anything that isn't it 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.559 is a knockoff. And by the way, when we apply 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.240 that to products then that are produced by black people, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.760 it's worse than a knockoff, right, it fell off a truck. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.719 When it comes to how we view stuff that comes 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.920 from black folks, it's so deep. And this is why 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.880 we're saying this is really it's an impossible challenge for 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.800 black entrepreneurs when you're selling a product, because you are 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.800 really trying to you can't just focus on the perfection 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.800 of the thing you're selling. You're also having to certainly, 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.439 if you're leading with black you're going to have to 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.320 change mindsets in so many ways. And I know that 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.600 there are listeners who say, I go out of my 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.240 way and I buy blah blah blah blah blah blah 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.680 blah blah. And if you do, salute to you. But 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.160 I will tell you, and I don't have quantitative data 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.400 to point to other than what was quoted earlier, the 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.720 thirty billion that we spend in this area and black 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.800 companies getting less than one billion, less than one percon 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.800 one billion of that of that thirty, I don't have 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.160 any data to support it, but I'll just say you 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:33.280 are the exception to the rule. You're the overwhelming exception 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.440 to the rule. And y'all, I think we absolutely have 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:43.320 to have to have some education in reprogramming and reimagining 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:50.640 ourselves and our value through our lens that we then 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.760 start to convince ourselves as the majority lens and frankly, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.520 anything that doesn't agree with us don't matter. That's how 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.679 I am as a rattler, as a family one. If 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.640 you ain't go, if you ain't, don't care where you went. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.240 Morehouse spellman, y'are great, you had a great experience, but 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.160 it wasn't fam you. That's how I feel about my institution. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.800 They inculcated that in me, and that's how we're going 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.080 to have to feel about ourselves and the products we produce, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:14.640 the value. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:16.800 But even outside the part, because I think it's a 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.840 very distinct difference conversation with the conversation we had on 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.480 the main show. I think the the it's more of 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:28.280 the concepts, you know, not the products we pretty which 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.760 I think is a great conversation that we had this week. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.480 But just to draw the distinction, it is a mind 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.760 shift that has to happen, and I don't Yeah, I 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.719 think like we what do you call it? 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.040 A re education? Yeah? 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:56.800 Yes, And I think you've spoken to that and the 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.239 conversation I always reference I write about with your perspective 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.760 of a lack of imagination among us because of all 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.440 we've known, and you know I talked a bit about 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.760 that and from the book Sky Full of Elephants by c. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.800 Bu Campbell, where you can tap into your imagination and 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.800 you get to ponder who are we if not in 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.960 reference to them? Who are we? If we are not 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.280 responding to something? Who are we? When we get to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.480 be free? You know, I feel like this when anytime 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.480 I'm on the continent, like there, you don't have you 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.400 can't give that head nod to everybody they like yo, okay, hello, hello? 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.040 Do you do like we all black and you're like, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.280 you know, but here it's such a tight knit community 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.160 and we have been so robbed of our fragility, of 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.840 our safety that when we see each other, it is 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.199 an acknowledgment to you one, I see you two you're 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.920 you're safe because if some shit goes down, I don't 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.040 know you, but I know you and I got your 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:01.280 back and we're together. And three I am yours and 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:06.079 you are mine. I think we have to start there. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.040 And I wonder, honestly, if we're losing a bit of that, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.240 you know, with younger generations, with some of our our 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:19.480 social norms and more's that have been disrupted. I don't 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.240 go to church, and I know a lot of families, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.200 like they don't take their kids to church every Sunday. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.840 I grew up going to church, but now I don't 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.800 go to church every Sunday, And so I wonder, like 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.760 for all and none of my friends do. My friends 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.240 and their kids, none of them, they are not at 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.840 church every Sunday, And so I wonder do they know 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.400 if I said to them God is good? Would they 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:39.200 know how to respond? 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.200 They'd like, yes, yes, yes, yes, right right. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:49.320 Perhaps they might. But that's such a cornerstone of who 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.760 we were, Like even if you're not Christian, if you 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.600 are not a believer, it's like how the Jewish community 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.640 it can be a faith and a culture like Black 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.120 church is a part of our culture. Even if you 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.720 if you don't go. And as we advance and you know, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.880 just move on into society, I wonder are we losing 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.800 some of that as we make our culture heavily available 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.280 across social media anybody. It used to be our secret, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.600 Now it's anybody can tap into it. Are we diluting 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:24.040 it by sharing it? And these are another thread? And 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.280 that was the conversation. Yeah, like that was the conversation 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.400 to you know, how to protect, acknowledge and celebrate our 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.880 culture within us, not necessarily from a product standpoint, But. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.560 I think we've done that, as I think Black people 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:43.120 have for as long as I remember, haven't had a 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.520 problem seeing each other, feeling protection, fe seeing the acknowledgment. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.520 I still think we're perplexed and are still overcome by 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.280 this idea that we can see each other, love each other, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:16:00.520 protect each other and still think white is the right. Yeah, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.960 there has to be the validation, has to be the 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.480 stand approval. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.280 Do you I shouldn't say don't you guys? Let me 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.760 not ask a leading question. Do you all feel that 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.760 part of that comes from deep rooted fear? Like do 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.760 we do we like? Do we think that people earnestly 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:22.640 believe that white is safer? Better you know or do 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.480 do people make that decision? And by we again, I'm 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.480 noting about the three callsts, but when we try to 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.520 examine the sociology or the psychology this, really do we 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.480 think that it comes from like hedging their. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:42.160 Bets what's allowed? I think it all comes like Okay, absolutely, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.320 I think that way about voting. I think that way 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.240 about business. I think that way about all things. I 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.400 think at the root of it very much so it 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.200 has to do with what they're allowing. They're allowing this, 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.640 and so long as the goalposts again, so long as 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.880 you are the thing by which everything is measured against, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:03.440 what's legal, what's not, what's acceptable, what's not right, what's 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:08.840 the right institution to attend to be considered elite? And 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.919 what is it? So if they're setting and again, like 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.840 I said, every way society reinforces this. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.640 I'm not trying to cut you out, but think about 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.520 even black banks. Like think like we have friends who 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:24.280 are very educated. Y'all got elite friends. If you talk 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.840 to them about putting their money in black banks, especially 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.080 before twenty twenty, what's some of the stuff you heard back. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.840 I'm not going to say on this spot, but like. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.960 Some people would say, like I might lose my money 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.200 if I do. That is, if FDIC ain't there. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:38.080 Don't apply. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.320 I think that's a good point, and I actually think 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.960 black banks and black finances is a whole other mini. 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:51.360 Pod that we need to have lawyers, black doctors specialist. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.080 It's really about white validation regardless of the industry, right, 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.800 it's a broad I was just bringing up another point, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.639 like I can think of the not even just the 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.280 response y'all, but the resistance to all of these things 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.520 what it's just mentioned. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.520 Anyway, I would love somebody from the financial industry to 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.720 come on and talk a little more about black banks. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.960 So whomever is keeping the scroll, let's add black finance 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.800 and black banks. But let me just say, I think 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.520 my favorite episodes of NLP is when I speak less 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.840 and I am learning so much from my two co hosts. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.639 Like anytime that happens where I'm like captivated, like I'm learning, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.120 You're saying, so you're informing me, you know, and opining, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.600 but informing me. And I feel like that that happened 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.760 a lot today. So I just want to thank my 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:43.240 co host for this enlightening conversation and the way, oh well, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.600 you know, kind of because I you Andrew made a 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.159 smart comment earlier. I was asking Andrew what time is 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.800 eighteen thirty and he's like six thirty. I'm like, I know, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.600 but like on the global clock, that's military time, global clock, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.679 and he's like, military clock is the global clock. So 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.200 he didn't have to say it was you idiot, it was. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:04.560 I'm still confusing. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.280 Does he not do that? 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.239 Oh? Wait, I got it now. No, I just had 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.879 a worse moment. I was like, but it's it's not 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.840 the same time for everybody. But that's not the way 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.879 it's like you are when you I know, but I 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.280 got confused. You said you would say. I was like, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.800 what say all in the same thing. So now I'm back. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:25.160 You're saying the universal clock, not the universal time. I'm 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.199 on it. Yeah, Now here's the question, what time is 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.879 it on Saturday? Have you space? 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:39.119 Have you space? Oh? 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.680 I don't know. You just ruined the moment. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:47.000 All right, Well, Perry and well what welcome home y'all? 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:48.680 That conclude? 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:49.800 Many boy? 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:51.440 You know what he just did? 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.480 He just about at the end of the show, why 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:55.280 we can't ask. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.440 All or Gil. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:04.000 No, Katy went, I'm messing this up today. My bed. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.840 Y'all didn't sorry on that note, but I wasn't take off. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.040 We are taking off. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.639 We are ready for launch. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.440 This world shuston. 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