1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Native lamppod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all. It is Native Lands mini pod that 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: drops every week. Many many, many many mini pods can do. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: He does that. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: He's disruptive, he likes being disrupted. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: For our one hundredth episode, Can I just. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Say Andrew to be one of the most polite people 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: I've ever met when we hit record on this podcast. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't know who you morphed into. It's a grimlin. 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: He's disruptive. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 3: No, I morphed into a young brother who wants to 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 3: pester you. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: On that note, being pestered, Yes, we have two things. One, 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: what are we going to do for the hundredth episode? 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: But that is right, that's something to consider. Two next week, 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: I believe it in next week or the week after 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: is the holiday and national holidays? 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: White chairs? 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: What are we doing for that? Wouldn't it beautiful if 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: our one hundredth episode, But it doesn't. It doesn't go. 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: You know what we need to. 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Ask, you know, we should ask if it will let 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: us use that picture of Momo in that white chair 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: for the chair episode. 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: I know she won't, but we could. She never shows 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: the babies, but I do like it. Well anyway, there's 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: a heads up that we have this this holiday coming up, 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: but for this particular episode. You know, on this week 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: on the podcast, we were talking about like black elitism. 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: We had that great interview with Lanny Smith from I'm 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Actively Black. Thank you guys for tuning in and weighing 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: in with your thoughts there. I'm still going through and 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: sifting through comments, so I appreciate, uh, the input that 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: you guys always have. But it did kind of we 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: had a few different threads. It led us to a 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: few different places when it comes to community. And one 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: thing we talked about was that Angela, you kind of 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: perked up when we said this, when we talked about 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: during my time at BT, we had to be all 41 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: things to off people. And when it came to news 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: and information, Black people like their information validated by white folks. Yes, 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: like we could do the same programming, but if it 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: was on CNN, then it was legit. And I just 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: wonder why that is, what's the danger in that? Where 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: did that come from? Obviously white supremacy, It can it 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: be disrupted? How do we disrupt it in a lot 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: of ways. It has been disrupted. You know, social media 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: certainly democratized who has a voice and who gets the 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: way in. But that came with a lot of challenges 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: because people call themselves journalists are not journalists. You having 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: a cell phone and a podcast does not make you 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: a journalist. Citizen journalism where people are like reporting who 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: don't really know how to capture a story. I think 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: these things are great because it's access to information, but 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: you have to know how to decipher and intermix that. 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 2: So I don't know I and you know we saw 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: people get do you like take advantage and spread disinformation 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: intentionally or unintentionally in doing things like that? So it 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: seems like a sticky time and a sticky topic. 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate this topic for a number of reasons. What 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: it reminds me of is white validation by black people 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: hasn't always only been sought in the news space. I 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: can think of a time growing up where I heard 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: elders say things like no, I need my doctor to 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: be white, right, and it is scary, Like I strive 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: to find black medical professionals and black lawyers, and like 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I like for my team to be black, and so 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: it is. It's jarring to hear people say that, you know, 70 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: white ice or show white ice is colder and that 71 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: white is right. And I don't just think it is 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: isolated to the new space. I wonder if some of 73 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: that just has to do with like slavery mentality, right, 74 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: like if you people cozied up to Massa, because if 75 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: they did, maybe that meant their lives would be saved, 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: literally saved. Maybe that meant their families wouldn't be broken up. 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes from, but it does 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: make me very uncomfortable, especially when you heard Lanny say 79 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: on the show, right, like thirty billion dollars we spend 80 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars on on on apparel in our community, 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: and yes, apparel and shoes the thing that also just 82 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: comes to mind, and now I feel like I'm hopping 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: all over the place. Vince Evans sent me something on 84 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Instagram the other day of an entity that was holding 85 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: like a back to school drive for clothes and shoes, 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: but they were giving out nikes. You know, people started 87 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: waking waiting in that line at nine pm the night before, right, 88 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: and we had to really really promote, like giving away 89 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: food or paying a light bill or whatever. And the 90 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: question really was that was thought of? Is what would 91 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: have happened if we would have been given away sneakers? 92 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: So I think I do want to understand, like, what 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: is our attachment to looking good? Have we assigned you know, 94 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: psychology to how we appear if we look the part, 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: does that mean we ready to really, you know, play 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the part a little better? What is it about white 97 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: supremacist mentality and structures that have made us think that 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: that's better collectively? Not me as an individual, I've said that, 99 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm curious to understand y'all's thoughts about this 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: white validation model and how he disrupted. 101 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: I just want to say, because you referenced Vince a lot, 102 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: Vince Evans is incorrect me, You's wrong. He's the executive 103 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: director of the Congressional Black Caucus. Yes, somebody you work 104 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: with on stage of People tour, and as you all know, 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: I mentioned it a few times. Angela used to be 106 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus, so he is 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: her successor. Many times baby shout out to. 108 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: Events, thank you the boss. Sorry, Andrew, No, no, I 109 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: met him on Andrew's campaign that's another thing. 110 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: Sorry was a rattler and a very very smart political strategist, 111 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: so they're lucky to have them. Angelau raised, I thought, too, 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: you may you may have stated them as one, but 113 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: I felt like two different strands of this, which were 114 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: sort of the value or the stock we put on presentation, 115 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: how we look brand that includes brands that include labels 116 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 3: that includes color of the bottom of your shoe, you know, 117 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. And then I think 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: there is probably the question that is encompassing of this all, 119 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: which is where did we learn that white was right? 120 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: And that didn't mean that other things weren't right, but 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: it needed to be measured up against. When did we 122 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: make the Eurocentric standard the ruler by which all things 123 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: are to be measured. It's a sad acknowledgment. It is 124 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: a true acknowledgment, however, and I think for those who 125 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: it is not true, for meaning those in our community 126 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: who resist that have to resist it actively. And the 127 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: reason why I say it has to be actively resisted 128 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: this mentality is this white pejoritarian and majoritarian view of 129 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: where we put value, is that society in every single 130 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: way reinforces white is right in every single way. If 131 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: a black person does this thing, it's looked at as 132 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: criminal ghetto. I can't believe they tried it. Tiffany referenced 133 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: this in our main episode this week, where she said, 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: had b Et spun off with Real Housewives franchise and 135 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: began with the Real Housewives of Atlanta or Potomac or whatever, 136 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: she is absolutely right. We would have blown be Et 137 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: up and basically said, you are bastardizing our black women 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: who have achieved certain levels of success in our society, 139 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: and now you're telling the rest of the world that 140 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: all we do is fight, that all we can manage 141 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: doing is yelling at each other, backstabbing each other, and 142 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: talking about each other behind each other's back. That's what 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: you're telling the world that we are. Andy Cohen does it, 144 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: and it's like everybody's a celebrity now, right, everybody you know, 145 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: they're the hottest thing since you know slight spread. So 146 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: what I mean by actively resistant is you actually have 147 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: to play through your mind the scenario of like questioning, 148 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: why did I do a thing a certain way? Why 149 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: do I feel like in order to go into this establishment, 150 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: I have to look like this when there's not even 151 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: a dress code that would dictate such right. But I 152 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: mentally told myself, from a standpoint of value, in bringing 153 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: value and being seen as a person of value, this 154 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: is how I have to look and moreover, this is 155 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 3: how I have to comport myself. We talked about Rolf 156 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: Lauren Polo. I think about the fact that ral Lauren has, 157 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: you know, done all these Olympic uniforms. I don't know 158 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: for how many years it's been doing it, but for 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: as long as I can remember, I just remember summer 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: Olympics uniforms being done by Ralph Lauren Polo Polo, Ralph Lauren, 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: and they're so in my pinch opinion, Nantucket versus Martha's 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: Vineyard and the way they look and what you know, 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily associate. It isn't like, that's not my 164 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: version of Americana. If I have a version of Americana, right, 165 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: or what I would say, what would be my version 166 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: of Patriotism? Right? That doesn't it didn't necessarily reflect me. 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: But it is very apple pie American apple pie, and 168 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: athletes galore, black, white and otherwise don them and they 169 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 3: don't have a choice. They have to domn them. And 170 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 3: then all of us who are viewing it. They make 171 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: up our minds since we saw lebron in it and 172 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: everybody else that now this is the status this is 173 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: the new status quo. And anything anything that isn't it 174 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 3: is a knockoff. And by the way, when we apply 175 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: that to products then that are produced by black people, 176 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: it's worse than a knockoff, right, it fell off a truck. 177 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 3: When it comes to how we view stuff that comes 178 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: from black folks, it's so deep. And this is why 179 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: we're saying this is really it's an impossible challenge for 180 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: black entrepreneurs when you're selling a product, because you are 181 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: really trying to you can't just focus on the perfection 182 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: of the thing you're selling. You're also having to certainly, 183 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: if you're leading with black you're going to have to 184 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: change mindsets in so many ways. And I know that 185 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: there are listeners who say, I go out of my 186 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: way and I buy blah blah blah blah blah blah 187 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: blah blah. And if you do, salute to you. But 188 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: I will tell you, and I don't have quantitative data 189 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: to point to other than what was quoted earlier, the 190 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: thirty billion that we spend in this area and black 191 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: companies getting less than one billion, less than one percon 192 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: one billion of that of that thirty, I don't have 193 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: any data to support it, but I'll just say you 194 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: are the exception to the rule. You're the overwhelming exception 195 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: to the rule. And y'all, I think we absolutely have 196 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: to have to have some education in reprogramming and reimagining 197 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: ourselves and our value through our lens that we then 198 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: start to convince ourselves as the majority lens and frankly, 199 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: anything that doesn't agree with us don't matter. That's how 200 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: I am as a rattler, as a family one. If 201 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: you ain't go, if you ain't, don't care where you went. 202 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: Morehouse spellman, y'are great, you had a great experience, but 203 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: it wasn't fam you. That's how I feel about my institution. 204 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: They inculcated that in me, and that's how we're going 205 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: to have to feel about ourselves and the products we produce, 206 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: the value. 207 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: But even outside the part, because I think it's a 208 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: very distinct difference conversation with the conversation we had on 209 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: the main show. I think the the it's more of 210 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: the concepts, you know, not the products we pretty which 211 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: I think is a great conversation that we had this week. 212 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: But just to draw the distinction, it is a mind 213 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: shift that has to happen, and I don't Yeah, I 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 2: think like we what do you call it? 215 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: A re education? Yeah? 216 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think you've spoken to that and the 217 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,239 Speaker 2: conversation I always reference I write about with your perspective 218 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: of a lack of imagination among us because of all 219 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: we've known, and you know I talked a bit about 220 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: that and from the book Sky Full of Elephants by c. 221 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: Bu Campbell, where you can tap into your imagination and 222 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: you get to ponder who are we if not in 223 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: reference to them? Who are we? If we are not 224 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: responding to something? Who are we? When we get to 225 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: be free? You know, I feel like this when anytime 226 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: I'm on the continent, like there, you don't have you 227 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: can't give that head nod to everybody they like yo, okay, hello, hello? 228 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: Do you do like we all black and you're like, 229 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: you know, but here it's such a tight knit community 230 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: and we have been so robbed of our fragility, of 231 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: our safety that when we see each other, it is 232 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: an acknowledgment to you one, I see you two you're 233 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: you're safe because if some shit goes down, I don't 234 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: know you, but I know you and I got your 235 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: back and we're together. And three I am yours and 236 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: you are mine. I think we have to start there. 237 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: And I wonder, honestly, if we're losing a bit of that, 238 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: you know, with younger generations, with some of our our 239 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: social norms and more's that have been disrupted. I don't 240 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: go to church, and I know a lot of families, 241 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: like they don't take their kids to church every Sunday. 242 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: I grew up going to church, but now I don't 243 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: go to church every Sunday, And so I wonder, like 244 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: for all and none of my friends do. My friends 245 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: and their kids, none of them, they are not at 246 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: church every Sunday, And so I wonder do they know 247 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: if I said to them God is good? Would they 248 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: know how to respond? 249 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: They'd like, yes, yes, yes, yes, right right. 250 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: Perhaps they might. But that's such a cornerstone of who 251 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: we were, Like even if you're not Christian, if you 252 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: are not a believer, it's like how the Jewish community 253 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: it can be a faith and a culture like Black 254 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: church is a part of our culture. Even if you 255 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: if you don't go. And as we advance and you know, 256 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: just move on into society, I wonder are we losing 257 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: some of that as we make our culture heavily available 258 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: across social media anybody. It used to be our secret, 259 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: Now it's anybody can tap into it. Are we diluting 260 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: it by sharing it? And these are another thread? And 261 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: that was the conversation. Yeah, like that was the conversation 262 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: to you know, how to protect, acknowledge and celebrate our 263 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: culture within us, not necessarily from a product standpoint, But. 264 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: I think we've done that, as I think Black people 265 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: have for as long as I remember, haven't had a 266 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: problem seeing each other, feeling protection, fe seeing the acknowledgment. 267 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: I still think we're perplexed and are still overcome by 268 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: this idea that we can see each other, love each other, 269 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: protect each other and still think white is the right. Yeah, 270 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: there has to be the validation, has to be the 271 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: stand approval. 272 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Do you I shouldn't say don't you guys? Let me 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: not ask a leading question. Do you all feel that 274 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: part of that comes from deep rooted fear? Like do 275 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: we do we like? Do we think that people earnestly 276 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: believe that white is safer? Better you know or do 277 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: do people make that decision? And by we again, I'm 278 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: noting about the three callsts, but when we try to 279 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: examine the sociology or the psychology this, really do we 280 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: think that it comes from like hedging their. 281 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: Bets what's allowed? I think it all comes like Okay, absolutely, 282 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: I think that way about voting. I think that way 283 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: about business. I think that way about all things. I 284 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: think at the root of it very much so it 285 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: has to do with what they're allowing. They're allowing this, 286 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: and so long as the goalposts again, so long as 287 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: you are the thing by which everything is measured against, 288 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: what's legal, what's not, what's acceptable, what's not right, what's 289 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: the right institution to attend to be considered elite? And 290 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: what is it? So if they're setting and again, like 291 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: I said, every way society reinforces this. 292 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cut you out, but think about 293 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: even black banks. Like think like we have friends who 294 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: are very educated. Y'all got elite friends. If you talk 295 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: to them about putting their money in black banks, especially 296 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: before twenty twenty, what's some of the stuff you heard back. 297 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: I'm not going to say on this spot, but like. 298 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Some people would say, like I might lose my money 299 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: if I do. That is, if FDIC ain't there. 300 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Don't apply. 301 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: I think that's a good point, and I actually think 302 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: black banks and black finances is a whole other mini. 303 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 3: Pod that we need to have lawyers, black doctors specialist. 304 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: It's really about white validation regardless of the industry, right, 305 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: it's a broad I was just bringing up another point, 306 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: like I can think of the not even just the 307 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: response y'all, but the resistance to all of these things 308 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: what it's just mentioned. 309 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: Anyway, I would love somebody from the financial industry to 310 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: come on and talk a little more about black banks. 311 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: So whomever is keeping the scroll, let's add black finance 312 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: and black banks. But let me just say, I think 313 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: my favorite episodes of NLP is when I speak less 314 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: and I am learning so much from my two co hosts. 315 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: Like anytime that happens where I'm like captivated, like I'm learning, 316 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: You're saying, so you're informing me, you know, and opining, 317 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: but informing me. And I feel like that that happened 318 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: a lot today. So I just want to thank my 319 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: co host for this enlightening conversation and the way, oh well, 320 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, kind of because I you Andrew made a 321 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: smart comment earlier. I was asking Andrew what time is 322 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: eighteen thirty and he's like six thirty. I'm like, I know, 323 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: but like on the global clock, that's military time, global clock, 324 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: and he's like, military clock is the global clock. So 325 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: he didn't have to say it was you idiot, it was. 326 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm still confusing. 327 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: Does he not do that? 328 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: Oh? Wait, I got it now. No, I just had 329 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: a worse moment. I was like, but it's it's not 330 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: the same time for everybody. But that's not the way 331 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: it's like you are when you I know, but I 332 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: got confused. You said you would say. I was like, 333 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: what say all in the same thing. So now I'm back. 334 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: You're saying the universal clock, not the universal time. I'm 335 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, Now here's the question, what time is 336 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: it on Saturday? Have you space? 337 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: Have you space? Oh? 338 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. You just ruined the moment. 339 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: All right, Well, Perry and well what welcome home y'all? 340 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: That conclude? 341 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: Many boy? 342 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: You know what he just did? 343 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: He just about at the end of the show, why 344 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: we can't ask. 345 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: All or Gil. 346 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: No, Katy went, I'm messing this up today. My bed. 347 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Y'all didn't sorry on that note, but I wasn't take off. 348 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: We are taking off. 349 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: We are ready for launch. 350 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: This world shuston. 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