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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson, and well, Matt, we just spent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, pull back the curtain. We're both in our

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Speaker 1: You know we're both.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do two hours for you. Guys.

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Speaker 3: We rushed to get to India to make sure we

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Speaker 1: We signed in with this little app but with.

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Speaker 3: someone's gonna be happy to get.

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00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Him. Yeah. Absolutely at, eleven he's. Bumped Will, johnson the

434
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: cornerback out Of michigan up a. Spot he's also bumped

435
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: to run both The alabama linebacker to. Twelve Tyler, booker

436
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman From, alabama bumps up to. Thirteen Ted

437
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: ro McMillan The arizona wide receiver bumps up to, fourteen

438
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: all Because Shidor sanders at fifteen bumps down four. Spots

439
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback out Of colorado back when we're before after,

440
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: That yeah, Right Michael, williams the edge rusher out Of

441
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: georgia at. Sixteen he's Got Mike, green the edge rusher

442
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: out Of, marshall moving up six spots to. Seventeen he

443
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: had a Great Senior bowl, week Great senior woman, game but.

444
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Explosive yeah quick On, sander trying to reiterate what we

445
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: were talking.

446
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: About, yeah LIKE. Dj his final sentence On sanders is,

447
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: Overall sanders doesn't have elite, size arm, strength or, athleticism

448
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: but he can find success in an offense based on

449
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: timing and ball. Placement slash a SYSTEM i mean system,

450
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: quarterback but in TODAY'S nfl doesn't have top, size arm,

451
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: strength or. ATHLETICISM i, MEAN i don't want all three

452
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: of those to be.

453
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Negatives yeah, right that's. Rough that's about eighteen Armand, yeah Armand,

454
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: membo the offensive lineman at A missouri moves down a

455
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: spot at. Nineteen O'marion, hampton the running back out Of

456
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: North carolina moves up ten. Spots, well that's a that's

457
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: about as big a jump as you're going to see.

458
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Here there's there's one a little. Later, yeah that also moves,

459
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: up but not into the top Twenty omari And. Hampton

460
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: here's my punch.

461
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: Here the More i've paid attention To, Dane todd McShay AND,

462
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: Dj i'm seeing running.

463
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Backs more and more and more in the first. Round Hampton.

464
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: Henderson From Ohio state obviously, gent which tells me a

465
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: couple of things that first, Off, gent he's never getting

466
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: too twenty one and he's gonna go. High and the

467
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: other thing is someone in the league must be telling

468
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: them this awesome running back class is going to get.

469
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: Plucked and maybe it's A Henry barkley. EFFECT i don't.

470
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: Know you, know.

471
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that you look at in

472
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: this particular draft is that there are no there are

473
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: very few. Studs, YEAH i was, thinking so if you're

474
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: picking in the first, round why not take the guy

475
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: that you know is going to, hit and THAT'S i

476
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: mean the running backs are going TO i, mean they

477
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: just don't have a big bust. Rate they just, don't right,

478
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Right they're going to come in and be, good solid

479
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: football players for. You.

480
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i think a huge trend with the league

481
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 3: as well is all these defenses are taking away the big.

482
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: Plays so, okay you, know The eagles are the best,

483
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: example but an extreme. Example if you're not gonna let

484
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: me beat you over the top because of the coverages you,

485
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: play we're gonna get chunk. Runs and if we can

486
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: give our runner, five, six seven more bigger holes because

487
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: we're playing lighter boxes than we would have in the old, days,

488
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: Well hampton And henderson are going to get you twenty

489
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: where a slow guy is going to get you, five you,

490
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: know and that's where our trunks.

491
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Come at, twenty moving down to, spots Is Kenneth, grant

492
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle out Of. Michigan, OKAY.

493
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean there's so many, consistencies BUT i think he's

494
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: gonna Do, yeah he's gonna do crazy things on the.

495
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: Track yeah.

496
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah at twenty, One James Pierce, junior the eddresser out Of,

497
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: tennessee is down a, spot up two. Spots at twenty

498
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: two Is Matthew, golden the wide receiver out Of. Texas

499
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: doesn't he seem pretty safe? Too? YEAH i think he'd

500
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: be a good football. Player. Uh in twenty, three up

501
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: two spots is A Mecca, egbiica the wide receiver out

502
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Of Ohio. State similar at twenty.

503
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: FOUR i think people were happy to get doubles in

504
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: the first, round you.

505
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Know down fust. Spots Kelvin Banks, junior the offensive tackle

506
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: out Of texas at twenty five down the wonder, Wise,

507
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: yeah find out some more of this, WEEK i. Guess

508
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: at twenty five down four. Spots Nick, emuori the safety

509
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: out Of South. Carolina at twenty, six down four, Spots Derek,

510
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: harmon the offensive or defensive tackle out Of. Oregon at twenty,

511
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: seven down a spot Is Walter, nolan the defensive tackle

512
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: out Of. Mississippi Sjamar stewart's down a spot at twenty,

513
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: eight the edge rusher out Of, TEXAS a AND. M

514
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: and at twenty, nine up nineteen. Spots, Wow Grey's abel

515
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: The North Dakota state interior offensive. Lineman that's the biggest

516
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: jump of anybody on. Here SO i, assume AND.

517
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: I guess we should have said this to start the,

518
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: segment and maybe he. DIDN'T i missed. It but was

519
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: his first top fifty Pre Senior bowl because that would

520
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: add up for the.

521
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i, Believe, so, YEAH i believe that we would. Best.

522
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, right he proved a lot there from being A

523
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: North Dakota state.

524
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Guy at thirty down two spots Is Donovan, ezerku the

525
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: edge rusher out Of Boston. College thirty one is down a.

526
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Spot Josh, simmons the offensive tackle From Ohio state thirty.

527
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Two his Teammate Donovan, jackson the interior offensive lineman also

528
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: From Ohio. State Luther burden down a spot at thirty,

529
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: three the wide receiver at A missouri thirty, Four Malachi,

530
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: starks the safety out Of, georgia down a. Spot up

531
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: a spot at thirty, Five Trayvon, henderson the running back

532
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: out Of Ohio. State so there's your top three running

533
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: backs in the top thirty five.

534
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: At Thirty some of the big hitter running, backs big

535
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: play running.

536
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Backs seend to be on the. Rise Mason, taylor the

537
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: tight end out OF, lsu is at thirty, six down

538
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: a spot at thirty, Seven Queen Shawn judkins down three

539
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: spots to running back out Of Ohio. State so four

540
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: running backs in the top thirty. Seven at the.

541
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: Opposite way as a not big player running, back.

542
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah Uh Asirier thomas the cornerback out Of Florida state

543
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: is at thirty eight up five. Spots at thirty nine

544
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: down two Spots Carson, sweesssinger THE ucla. Linebacker and then

545
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: at forty down two spots Is Josh, connerley the offensive

546
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: tackle out Of. Oregon so a couple of running back

547
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: in that early second round. Area WHEN i say, THAT

548
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: i mean because there's thirty two picks in the first.

549
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Round at forty, one down two Spots Josh, farmer The

550
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: Florida state defensive. Tackle at forty two down a, Spot Jackson,

551
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: dart the quarterback out Of. Mississippi that's the third quarterback

552
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: on the. List at forty three upspot Is Maxwell, hairston

553
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: The kentucky. Cornerback at forty four up a spot Is

554
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Notre dame Cornerback Benjamin. Morrison at forty five up four,

555
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: Spots Miami me tight End Elijah. Rojo that's four tight

556
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: ends In senior Body Great Great Senior. Bowl this one's.

557
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Interesting at forty six moves into the Rankings Chavon, reveler

558
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: the cornerback At East. Carolina he suffered AN acl TEAR

559
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: i think In. October so it's interesting that he gets

560
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: back onto this, list you, know for the first, time

561
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: or gets onto the list for the first time not

562
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: having done. Anything, YEAH i was watching him the other.

563
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: DAY i guess it was over the.

564
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: Weekend he's more talented THAN i originally. THOUGHT i, mean

565
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: you knew he's fast and long and. Tall he is

566
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: a special specimen that life was easy At East. CAROLINA i,

567
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: MEAN i think he has nowhere to go but up

568
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: unless he gets some kind of.

569
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Terrible, news you. Know at forty, seven breaking into the

570
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: rankings Is Caleb, johnson the running back out Of. Iowa

571
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: forty eight down eight spots Is Shack, sawyer the edge

572
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: rusher out Of Ohio. State at forty, nine moving into

573
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: the rankings Is Charles, grant The william And mary offensive.

574
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Tackle and at fifty breaking into the rankings Is Darius,

575
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: alexander The toledo defensive.

576
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: Tackle so those last COUPLE i think are interesting WHERE

577
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: i Think alexander is, heavily heavily trending up and The

578
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: Senior bowl helped as a mac guy. Grant the other,

579
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: grant The william And mary tackle, grant has great expectations

580
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: to do really good things, here you, know in terms

581
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: of just workout and athleticism. Stuff And Caleb johnson at forty,

582
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: SEVEN i like.

583
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: HIM i don't know THAT i.

584
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: Would use a stealer second round pick on. HIM i

585
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: don't see special. Stuff he can be a little bit,

586
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: high he's a good outside zone. RUNNER i THINK i

587
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: would probably hold in second round if he's, available and

588
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: go at a different position and address it in the

589
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: third or fourth. Round AND i also Think sawyer at forty.

590
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: EIGHT i hate to say it this, way but everyone

591
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: looks at him as he's a.

592
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Super, tough try hard. GUY i think he's a bad.

593
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: ATHLETE i, mean like way under the bar, athlete AND

594
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: i was kind of happy to SEE dj bump him.

595
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: DOWN i wouldn't touch this guy in the first couple of,

596
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: rounds even THOUGH i don't think The.

597
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: Steelers are in the edge. Market the guys who dropped

598
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: out of DJ's top fifty, rankings obviously some guys moved into.

599
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: It other guys dropped. Out that would BE. Tj, sanders

600
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle out Of South, Carolina Josiah, stewart the

601
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: edge rusher out Of, Michigan Marcus about the offensive a

602
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: lineman out Of, purdue And Alfred, collins the defensive tackle

603
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: out Of.

604
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: Texas none of those stand out to me is miss

605
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: cast outside the top, fifty you.

606
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i mean when you, AGAIN i think in

607
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: this particular, draft you, know those top eight or nine

608
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: guys are pretty getting pretty chalky at this point in

609
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: terms of those are going to be the guys in

610
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: whatever order they fall. In, now maybe the quarterbacks change

611
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: some of that around a little bit because they were

612
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: both ranked outside of that top, ten which is why

613
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: you get to ten with the you, know the top

614
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: ten is pretty much, set not in, stone but. Set

615
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: and then after that those next sixty, picks maybe even,

616
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: seventy all pretty close in terms of, rankings AND i

617
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: think where they might.

618
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: Go and this this week is this week's a really

619
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: good tiebreaker. Week you, know like if you're really equal on, grades,

620
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: well maybe his knees slightly worse than this guy's worst

621
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: injury or and it's changed the direction in the three

622
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: cone and shuttle weren't quite WHAT i, expected you, KNOW i,

623
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: mean maybe that just breaks some, ties but the combine

624
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: breaks a lot of. Ties BUT i think you're right

625
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: in just in terms of the class, overall and there's

626
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: a there's a big cluster.

627
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: And a lot of. It when we say break, ties

628
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: a lot of it's the interviews in the. Medicals it's

629
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: not what happens necessarily on the. Field you know when

630
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: people say the, medicals you, know, yeah those are those

631
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: are the reasons why those guys are rising or falling

632
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: in the eyes OF nfl. Teams the teams know what

633
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: these guys are in terms of. Players, yeah now you

634
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: get an opportunity of you, know your offensive line coach

635
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: talks to this, guy or your defensive line coach talks that. One,

636
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: YEAH i really didn't like, him you, KNOW i didn't

637
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: like WHEN i put him on the. Whiteboard it wasn't.

638
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Great or oh, boy your, doctors you, know sat down

639
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 1: with this guy and they're looking at the they're looking

640
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: at the THE x for this. One, well you know,

641
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: what he might not last three. Years things of that.

642
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Nature that's why they rise or. Fall so that's what

643
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: you have a big part around. Here it's not because

644
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: of what they do on the during their. Workout the

645
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: workout just kind of reinforces what you already knew with the.

646
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: Guy, yeah a lot of That hayes in the barn

647
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: in terms of football. Stuff now there is some, tweaks

648
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: and it's less now than when teams were so three

649
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: four verse four three and real strict about, it you,

650
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: know where people there might. BE i really want to

651
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: see his change in directions because that's what we ask

652
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: of our linebackers more than most those. Defenses if he

653
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: can really shine in that and in they Maybe i'll reconsider,

654
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: him you, know as opposed to keeping him off the

655
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: do not draft list amongst the linebacker. Coach you, know

656
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: at least keep the door open for the.

657
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Guy. Absolutely but let's get to a, Break. Matt that

658
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: Was Daniel jeremiah's updated top fifty prospect. Rankings as we

659
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: head hit into The Senior, bowl which kicks off here

660
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: In indianapolis, Tomorrow matt and are going to take a.

661
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: Break we will be back with more right after. This at.

662
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: Least he's The drive With Dale lolly And Matt williamson

663
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to Seven home of The black

664
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: And GOLD Nr Steelers Nation, radio.

665
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: And we are. BACK i Am Dale. Lolly he is

666
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: The Matt williamson and, well it is a Beautiful monday

667
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: here In. Indianapolis we are here In indianapolis for the scouting,

668
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: combine and, Well matt not surprizingly over the, weekend and

669
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: we actually did a mock draft On friday where we

670
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: traded for this. Guy it looks Like Matthew stafford has

671
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: been and his agent have been given permission to chat

672
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: to other teams about the possibility of tea for his

673
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: services and Will The rams of course own those rights

674
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: To Matthew. Stafford he's been their quarterback the last few. Years,

675
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: well Today Albert breer of si Dot com reported that The, Giants, Steelers,

676
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: browns And raiders have all shown interest in Acquiring, stafford

677
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: along with some unnamed quote unquote. Others now who those

678
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: teams will BE i don't, know but THE i mean

679
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: the four teams That brier, mentioned The, Giants, Steelers, browns

680
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: And raiders are for the teams that currently don't have

681
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback on their, roster so that would make some.

682
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: SENSE i don't think it's, groundbreaking but of course The

683
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: steelers should be in that. Conversation this makes way more

684
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: sense than any of the other reports that we've heard

685
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: out there that Other steelers, don't you, know calling The

686
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: jaguars or things of that, nature because this is a

687
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: guy who's actually available or might.

688
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: BE i think he.

689
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Is, YEAH i definitely think he could be.

690
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: HAD i don't know at what cost draft and salary cap,

691
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: Wise but you mentioned those four, teams in my, opinion

692
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: are four of the six along with The jets And

693
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: titans that just currently don't have a quarterback answer as

694
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: it stands right today On february twenty, Fourth.

695
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: So of course they should. Call. Yeah, now, yeah and

696
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: you gauge the, price and you, know you make the

697
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: phone call and you, say, hey would it cost or you,

698
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: know his agent more than, likely you, know maybe contacted

699
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: those two broker because he sees the same reports that

700
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: everybody else sees out. There, hey would you interested In

701
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: matthew if you, know if a trade bery were to

702
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: be able to work, out you, know be worked, Out, well,

703
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: YEAH i. Would we would certainly be an interest in

704
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: you know what it would. Cost he's a he's a good,

705
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: quarterback he's a top ten quarterback in the. League why

706
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be interested in? Him?

707
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah and with all respect To Albert breer and you

708
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: Know schefter and all those people that do that for a.

709
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: Living i'm sure this came directly from the agent in

710
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: terms of the teams, available and those four teams along

711
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: with the other TWO i, mentioned are super low hanging

712
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: fruit that everyone on the planet would believe are interested

713
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: because they don't have a quarterback And stafford is. Good,

714
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: now my first, thought of course Was. Steelers, OKAY i

715
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 3: mean that's who we're talking, about that's the network we're.

716
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: On but you can't sell me on The, browns you, know,

717
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: like how on earth is he going to go To?

718
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: Cleveland and how are they going to afford? Them like

719
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: that one to me made me think that one's not.

720
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: Real maybe they had a. Conversation, yeah there's no way.

721
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Yet would they be, Interested, yeah that we'd be, interested

722
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: but we can't afford him if he's, free either in

723
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: draft capital or in what we've to count against our salary.

724
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: Cap and quite, frankly If I'm Matthew, STAFFORD i don't

725
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: know THAT i want to go to The giants Or.

726
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: RAIDERS i KNOW i don't want to go to The.

727
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: Browns yeah, right, well yeah that goes without. Saying but

728
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: EVERYBODY i don't know if on him THAT i want

729
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: to go to those, teams he might be in the

730
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: same sitution That Russell wilson was this time a year,

731
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: ago where he looks at it and, goes where's my

732
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: best chance to? Win right? Now which are these? Teams

733
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: is the? Best and quite, FRANKLY i know again Some

734
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: steeler fans don't want to believe, this but they got

735
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: the best roster of these teams by far that don't

736
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: have a quarterback for.

737
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: Next, year including The jets And, titans of, course one

738
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: of which is picking first overall in the draft because

739
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: they earned. It but we also don't know what The

740
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 3: stafford's family motivation. Is maybe they want to be In New,

741
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: york AND i mean maybe they just want the most

742
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: dollars they can possibly. Get AND i wouldn't besmudge him

743
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: one bit for doing. That you, know whoever's going to

744
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: pay me the, Most i'll go there. Again The, BROWNS

745
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: i don't know how could ever pull it. OFF i, mean,

746
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: yeah they could give you. Picks they got a lot of,

747
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: picks but they have no flexibility in terms of quarterback you,

748
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: know cap room and things like. That At Kirk cousins

749
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: at The wilson deal Shore stafford at fifty million per no,

750
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: way Maybe stafford And brady have some kind of, connection

751
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Or Pete carroll or all of a, sudden he's looking

752
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: at The raiders, like, oh they're trending the right. Direction

753
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: they have some Respectable hall Of fame type guys now in.

754
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: Charge but, OTHERWISE i, mean if you're not. ENAMORED i,

755
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: mean The giants to me are the ones he's linked

756
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: to the most with these quote. Rumors and the lord

757
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: of The giants to me is maybe you want the,

758
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: city maybe they'll pay the, Most maybe that organization is most,

759
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: desperate you.

760
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Know but.

761
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: To, Me i'm still picking The steelers in a perfect,

762
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: world if all.

763
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: The contracts are.

764
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: Close but the one thing The steelers don't have going

765
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: for them is let's say you're competing against The giants

766
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Or raiders and they offer their second round pick versus

767
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: your second round. Pick, well The rams are going to

768
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: take their second round.

769
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Pick that's why when we did the trade last, WEEK

770
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: i swapped first round picks with. THEM i, mean you

771
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: can get a round because to, me their second round

772
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: is better than. You're so, YEAH i think if you,

773
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: know if you're hey st Or Los. Angeles we can you,

774
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: know currently you're picking twenty, six we can move you

775
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: up to twenty. One these other teams aren't going to

776
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: do that for. You you're not going to get. This

777
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: i'm not going to give you the third. Pace it

778
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not going to. Happen, yeah they can give you number,

779
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: two but we can give you number. One we can

780
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: give you get you higher in the first, round and

781
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: then we can talk about the other. Compensation, yeah and who.

782
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: KNOWS i, mean the draft might roll around and you

783
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: might be, like, oh man at twenty one AND i

784
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: can't Believe genie Or nolan's, There AND i Know i'll

785
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: never get the twenty. Six but as it sits here

786
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: in Late, FEBRUARY i don't know the twenty one and

787
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: twenty six are all that much different to.

788
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Me, yeah now it might be for The, rams maybe

789
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: THE ram one of those offensive linemen or something along those,

790
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: things and, realize, yeah, hey we can't we're not going

791
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: to get one of those guys at twenty, Six but

792
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: if we move up to twenty, one we, might you,

793
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: know and, oh by the, way we have this cap.

794
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Issue and again they're largely linked to maybe wanting to

795
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: go out and Sign Sam, darnold so maybe they would

796
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: give to say something they.

797
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: Want there's no clear path in to who their next quarterback.

798
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: IS i mean unless they have a free agent in,

799
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: mind which they, might you, know or they even it

800
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: has to be part two of this for The rams

801
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: to say, yes like you can't go in With jimmy

802
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: and being.

803
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: Comfortable, no, no certainly. Not but you, know, again if

804
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: they're interested In, donald then this is something that they

805
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: would want to get taken care. Of not to mention

806
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he's doing some roster bonuses here soon

807
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to pay, out which mean

808
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: they want to get something done sooner rather than, later

809
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: and they want picks in this.

810
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: Draft guy would expect deal if it's truly going to

811
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: happen to get done pre bonuses whenever those, are which is. Soon.

812
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah and, oh by the, way where are all the

813
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: teams at this week right here In, Indiana, Cholis so

814
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: if you want to have those, conversations this is where

815
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: it takes. Place, yeah in, PERSON i mean of, course.

816
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: Everyone, yeah, right you get to, yeah sit down and

817
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 3: not have any anyone over your, shoulder and you guys

818
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: can sit there and chat in the hotel room that

819
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: no one knows about or, whatever you.

820
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, right, Anyway so, YEAH i think The steelers

821
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: would be. INTERESTED i think they should be. INTERESTED i,

822
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: mean but there is a price involved that it might

823
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: become too much that you, yeah we're not going to

824
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: do it for that for a three seven year old.

825
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Quarterback but if you're in it to, win you want

826
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: to try to. Win the idea is is to compete

827
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: for a Super bowl this year or, yeah we're in

828
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Five Sam darnold gives you the best chance

829
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: of anybody that's out there right. Now Stafford, yeah, sorry, Yeah.

830
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Matthew stafford gives. You gives you the best chance to

831
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: do that of, anybody anybody who's available this, offseason. Anybody.

832
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: Yep and we talked about this a little On.

833
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: FRIDAY i, mean any draftable, quarterback tradable, quarterback free agent,

834
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: quarterback pull bett out of retirement, quarterback you, know make

835
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: one in the lab. Quarterback stafford is your Best Tom Brady, yeah, yeah,

836
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: exactly that's the best.

837
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: Quarterback still he's still, yeah he's still an elite thrower

838
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: of the. Football, no you talking about the, attack would you? Be? Yeah,

839
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: right absolutely, anyways so let's go do. It for hour

840
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: number one of our coverage here From, Indianapolis matt and

841
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: they are going to be back with our number two

842
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: here on The drive on The Steelers Nation radio And

843
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: Steelers Audio network right after this