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Speaker 1: and welcome everyone. And there's not a dry eye in

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Speaker 1: the house because this is our final Cowboys Hour of

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Speaker 1: the Season's been a hell of a run. Brad, it's

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Speaker 1: been great. It's been great. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did too. That's kind of normally the thing you would say,

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Speaker 1: been through that before, but it still becomes disappointing. And

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Speaker 1: so here we are still in our nearly hermetically sealed

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Podcast studio. But what a what a way to

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Speaker 1: to be the Cowboys Vice president of player What is it,

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Speaker 1: what's the Personnel Procurement Development Development? Yeah, whatever, it's Will McClay,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Will McClay. So a, Now, we asked

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Speaker 1: Uh But but um, look, we all suffered through that

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Speaker 1: I know it's been at a long day after a

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Speaker 1: for being with us. So, um, yeah, I really don't

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Speaker 1: because it's well, no, first, let me back up the truck.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on your new contract or your extension or whatever

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Speaker 1: that was that they did. They thank you. I mean

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Speaker 1: in there. How could they not put that in there?

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Speaker 1: I asked them to take it out. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go amend it because you know, anybody can go put

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Speaker 1: anything they want to wikipe, So hit here, fix that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, how did you ever? Did you ever

432
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: see much arena football? I did not a lot. I

433
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: didn't keep up with it, but I was around. I'm

434
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: old enough to. I was so lucky that they asked

435
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Speaker 1: me to do some of those games. And Will was

436
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: working with Joe Avazano, as he said, and then uh uh,

437
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: then Will became the head coach. And I just don't

438
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Speaker 1: understand how you could be a defensive coordinator in the

439
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: Arena League. Glutton for punishment, you know, how do you

440
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: how do you play? Shift to challenges? You had to

441
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: find a way and we were We were pretty good

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00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: at it. Um, you know during the time when I

443
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: was there, because of the players that we had, and

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00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: we tried to come up with a few different things

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to stop that crazy game where you know it's meant

446
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: to you're meant to pass the ball sixty times and

447
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: throw for five hundred yards and play no defense. But

448
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: we played pretty good defense. Before we take our next break, UM,

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00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: tell a Joe Avazono story that we can repeat. The

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00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: first game, the first game that we had as a franchise.

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Speaker 1: We were playing in Los Angeles, I think it was,

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Speaker 1: and Joe's a very dapper, dapper guy and uh so

453
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Speaker 1: after the game. You can't repeat this story. I can

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Speaker 1: repeat some of it. I was there after the game

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00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: where we're getting dressed in the locker room and Joe's

456
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: losing his mind and he had a very vivid use

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Speaker 1: of the English language and curse word kind of deal,

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00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: and he's making all this noise and we're going, what

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Speaker 1: the hell's going on? And uh, we go in there

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Speaker 1: and Joe's putting on his clothes, but he cut his

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Speaker 1: finger and so he got blood on his pants and

462
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: he lost his mind. And that's when I first because

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Speaker 1: coaching with him, you know, i'd heard he had had

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Speaker 1: a temper, but he was really good with me. But

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Speaker 1: when he got blood on his pants, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to miss with that. Do you mind

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Speaker 1: if I elaborate just a little it may? I have

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Speaker 1: your permission? Yes, I think they lost the game. Close game. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Joe Avazano is the only man announced the game came

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Speaker 1: down in the locker room. Josie only man I ever

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Speaker 1: saw that his pants were the last thing he put on. Ye,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about Crisp New starched white shirt,

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Speaker 1: neck tie, tied, shoot underwear, shoes and socks. Pants were

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Speaker 1: the last things. And I don't really think it was

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Speaker 1: the pants. I think that his tie was hanging on

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00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: a hook and he cut his finger and it trying

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00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: to get to his tie and it got not on

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Speaker 1: his pants, it on his brand new starched crisp white shirt.

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00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: Blood on the shirt, and he I was in the army.

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Speaker 1: He created combination compound curseworths. I had never heard anything

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Speaker 1: like that. It was it was beyond funny, it was

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Speaker 1: awe inspiring. I'm glad you told that. It inspired me

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Speaker 1: to learn how to curse me. Yeah. Yeah, but but

484
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Joe is better than all of us. All right, We'll

485
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Speaker 1: take another quick break and be back with more with

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Speaker 1: Gross and our special guest, Cowboys player personnel Vice president

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Speaker 1: Will McClay. We've we have learned a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about Will McClay. Thank you, Will for letting us into

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00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: your life. Well, thank you for getting most of it right.

502
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: I would love to hear you talk of for a

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Speaker 1: little bit about how um your experiences in the Arena

504
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: League informed your scouting because you didn't really coach in

505
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: the NFL, but how did that inform the your your

506
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: approach to your job with the with an NFL team,

507
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Football is football. I mean it might be played in

508
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: the box, there might be eight people, there might be eleven,

509
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: but it's leverage and angles and you know, it's space

510
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: and time, and so you look at players in arena football,

511
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Speaker 1: we had to find guys to play both ways, and

512
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Speaker 1: so that was a unique thing for me it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we had gone you know, football had evolved

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Speaker 1: to where now it was one, you know, one side

515
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: of the ball or the other. Well, with arena football,

516
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: part of its draw was that guys had to play

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Speaker 1: both ways, so you're looking for certain attributes. So I

518
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: had to break down how a defensive lineman would what

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00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: skills it would take to play an offensive lineman, and

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Speaker 1: so those things, analyzing the movement, analyzing the technique, analyzing

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Speaker 1: different body types, those sort of things. And then because

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Speaker 1: we were trying to win games and arena football it

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00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: was about players. So I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: talking to personnel people within the league to try and

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Speaker 1: find players. And that's when I really got really interested,

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Speaker 1: more so in the players side of it, because we

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00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: would talk players and we would talk about different things,

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and that kind of formulated. And I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time in the XFL with former Cowboy scout gut

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Speaker 1: Arrest his soul to Dick Mansburger, Oh yeah, well taught

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Speaker 1: me a lot of things about the scouting side of

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: it too. So, uh, the routes come from the Arena

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Speaker 1: Football League and you're trying to find players, all right.

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I got a two part question. Yeah. One first part

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Speaker 1: is do you enjoy did you enjoy coaching more or

536
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: the scouting aspect coaching coaching because you're being in it

537
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: every day with the players and you're trying to accomplish

538
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: a goal, and you at the end of each week

539
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: you get to see what you you know, the lesson

540
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: planning you put out, if they got it, if it worked,

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Speaker 1: the whole deal, and it's it's the interaction with the

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00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: young guys and and and coming up coming up with

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Speaker 1: a plan. As a scout, you write it up, you

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Speaker 1: talk about the guys that you you know want or

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00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: you think should be there, and then you know if

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Speaker 1: you get them, then you know you're done. You know

547
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: you your influence on how they use their abilities as

548
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: over with you can say I see the abilities. Now

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: it's somebody else's job to get it out of them,

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00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: all right. So the second part is you mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: you were a cerebral player. And there's a guy on

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Speaker 1: our team that when we drafted him this year, I

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00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: thought he was just a really physical, good player. And

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Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to be around him a little

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Speaker 1: bit and have realized that he's sneaky smart in a

556
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Speaker 1: sponge and that's Michael Parsons. Did you guys know that

557
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Speaker 1: he was going to be as smart as he is

558
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: football wise? And or there's that kind of a surprise

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00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: once you got him in the building, it was well,

560
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: because you try and figure out what they know from

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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: their college, you know, playing days. So we put him

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Speaker 1: on the board and talked to him and spent a

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00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of time with him, and he knew what he

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: was doing there. But to be put in all the

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: different spots and to be able to understand and execute

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Speaker 1: all the stuff he's done, we didn't know that that

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: was there. We knew the physical ability was there, and

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: that's the unique part about scouting. We asked people about

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Speaker 1: players and they tell you and it's all relevant to

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00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: what they're doing. When we get him here, it's a

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: whole different ball game. So to see him pick up

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00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: all those things and do those things, that's an added

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Speaker 1: bonus to be in Superman physically on some of the

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Speaker 1: things he can do. How let me let me see

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Speaker 1: if I can ask this in a way that might

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Speaker 1: get an answer. I was gonna say, if you were,

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Speaker 1: if you were in absolute charge, I mean a title

578
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: is a title, But yeah, how much input is the

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Speaker 1: right amount of input for coaches to have in selecting players.

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00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: Coaches know what they want, They know football players, they

581
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: watch football the whole time. Now, coaches at times will

582
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: think that they can correct a player, or they can

583
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: fix a player, or they can get something that maybe

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00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: they don't have all the information. I think that's why

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Speaker 1: our process, I believe is one of the best, is

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00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: because we involve the coaches, We hear their input, We

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00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: involve all the scouts. Jerry and Stephen hear all the information.

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: And it's a collective process. Because I don't know everything

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00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: about every position and about every player the area. Guys

590
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: going to come and give you information. Then somebody else,

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00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: without knowing that information, is going to watch the tape.

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Speaker 1: So a collective process help gets us closer to the

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Speaker 1: right answer, I think, And I think that's the benefit.

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Speaker 1: That's the benefit of our process and what we do.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I love it being here and doing

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Speaker 1: that is because you got you don't have an ego.

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Speaker 1: As long as you don't have an ego, and you

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00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: admit that when you're right and when you're wrong. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I continue to tell guys, because we're betting

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Speaker 1: on people. So our process. The more collective our processes

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Speaker 1: and you filter the information that you need, the better

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00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: will be at what we do. Who's a guy that

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00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: you said, you guys bet on people. Who's a guy

604
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: that you you bet on that No, maybe no one

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: else saw what you saw it and it hit and

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Speaker 1: paid off. Is there anybody that stands out that was like,

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Speaker 1: that's my that's my war room story, or my my

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Speaker 1: scouting story. I think more of those have come from

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Speaker 1: the pro side. You know, when we bring in free agents,

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Speaker 1: it's trying to figure out what guys fit. I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I kind of first started doing this

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00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: stuff with George Selvie, was a guy who came in

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Speaker 1: and we did you know, and he performed better than

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Speaker 1: people expected him, got him off the couch basically, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we had you know, and that not only the

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Speaker 1: player his ability, but then going back to coaching, it's

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Speaker 1: now we've got this player, Now what can we do

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Speaker 1: to get the best out of him? And that's the

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Speaker 1: relationship that um we formulate with the coaches, and I

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Speaker 1: think has been beneficial to us is to look at

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Speaker 1: guys like that, you know, on the on the college side,

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Speaker 1: I mean we have free agents that you know, college

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Speaker 1: free agents that come in and they if they were

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Speaker 1: as good as uh, you know, they ended up being,

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00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: we would have drafted him. It's Dak Prescott. D Prescott

626
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: was better than you know what we what we draft,

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Speaker 1: you know where we drafted him at um. Is there

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Speaker 1: a natural adversarial relationship between coaches and scouts, Yeah, naturally

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Speaker 1: it is. It's because the one side is always going

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Speaker 1: to tell the other side how to do their job

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Speaker 1: if you don't respect the job that each other does.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that we continue to

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Speaker 1: try and press is Hey, it's easier for me to

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Speaker 1: sit on the couch and say oh, or you know,

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Speaker 1: open the box, say oh, we should have done that,

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00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: or we should have done that, you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: easy for a coach to say, well, you know this

638
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Speaker 1: player can't do this or that. Well, let's let's let's uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a medium in between it, there's a

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00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: happy medium. And then you here's stories all the time

641
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: all over the league about one team is heavily who

642
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: excuse me, coach invested? One is scout invested in the

643
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 1: side that's not invested is always rolling their eyes look

644
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: what they gave me, or look what they're doing with

645
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: what I gave them, and that kind of thing. So

646
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: what I'm what I think I'm hearing you say is

647
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: that you have quite intentionally worked pretty hard to develop

648
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: a system where there's none of that division and everyone's

649
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: working together and everybody trusts everyone as much as is

650
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: possible given the nature, as much as possible. We all

651
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: have opinions on guys, and you know, everybody's got their

652
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: own expert lens, but it's given everybody credit for your

653
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: expert lens, and then saying, well what about this? And

654
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I want to be able to see it. If you

655
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: say something about a player for Kylige, we need to

656
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: be able to see it on tape. We need to

657
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: be able to talk about it. And now we need

658
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: to be able to say how does that fit into

659
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: what we do? So it's it's and it's not just

660
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: on your hands up when you get him, it's I

661
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: want to find out how you want to use them.

662
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: I want our scouts to know how we use these

663
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: guys so we can get better at it each time,

664
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: because we're betting on people and it's never and how

665
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: hard is it to enforce your own rule when you

666
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about this team. In fact, I

667
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: would leave this year's team out of it for personality's sake,

668
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: but just institutionally, how hard is it to observe those boundaries?

669
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: If you see a player being used differently than you

670
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: think everyone agreed on using him, I think you go

671
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: when you call it out. I mean, just like if

672
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: we get called out for a mistake, you got to

673
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: ask the questions. You got to want Okay, why are

674
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: we using him this way? Because through that conversation, you

675
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: foster better learning. Through that conversation, I can find out if,

676
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you know what you're talking about

677
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: or why you know it's it's you got to foster

678
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: those conversations to understand where the other person's coming from

679
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and how they're going to utilize this player. Okay, one

680
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: more break and then we'll be back with a little

681
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: more with Will McClay and Will if you want to

682
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,280
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685
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686
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687
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: and Resorts. We are back for the final segment of

688
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: the season. So sad, it is sad. What do you

689
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: do with your Monday nights drinking little lights? Oh? There

690
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: you go, there you go a lot more than I do,

691
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: right at the last student seventeen weeks. Yeah, no kidding, Okay, Well,

692
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm Brad Sham and that's Shannon Gross, and that is

693
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: Will McClay. The Cowboys. They're great, Will great, Will McClay,

694
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: And we're talking about all of the all of the

695
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: things in the Will's Player Act. Was in World you

696
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: touched on what's called in the business pro personnel finding veteran.

697
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: I thought one of the things that was unique about

698
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: this team, I don't remember. You had eight veterans from

699
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: defensive players from other teams, all of them made significant contributions,

700
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: and all of them, until Brent Urban got hurt, were

701
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: in the rotation, every one of them. Yeah, I just

702
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know when I've ever seen that before. How

703
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: much of that was some coaches knowing a guy and saying,

704
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: I think he can help us. How much of it

705
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: was your pro personnel people saying hey, what about this guy.

706
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: There was a combination of the two. The coaches new

707
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: like if a coach knows somebody and says they can play, well,

708
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: we're still going to do our due diligence to go, hey,

709
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: if we disagree, we disagree and show us why. But

710
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: it goes to Mike and Dan saying what they wanted defensively,

711
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: what we wanted to build, And then when you transition

712
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: into a new defense or you know, you gotta have

713
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: guys that have played the game, and we had holes

714
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: to fill. We were fortunate that players wanted to be

715
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: here at a price that we could afford, and we

716
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: pick the right guys that could perform that task that

717
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: we you know, we hired him to do. The the

718
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: year that you had um which people uh forget because

719
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: of what happened yesterday. It was a pretty good year.

720
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good year and it was a

721
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. And when when we talked

722
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: to the players, they tell us all the time how

723
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: much they loved being part of this team because of

724
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: the way they all work together and the coaching staff

725
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: and all of that. Uh, does that have a carryover

726
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: for you when you start looking for veteran free agents

727
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, you want to. You gotta know as

728
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: much as you can about the players you bring into

729
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: the building. Because one of the things that Mike talks

730
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: about that's very, very true, and I believe in one

731
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent it's the Uh, it's the it's the culture

732
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: of your team, because you're going to go through things

733
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: like you know what happened last night, and you know

734
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: the ups and the downs, and how are people going

735
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: to react to that and how can you get better?

736
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: And the emotional intelligence of people to be able to

737
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: handle this crazy NFL world in league and all the

738
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: different challenges and things that come up. You have to

739
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: the locker room has to be right, and it's the

740
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: people that you bring into the locker room that's important.

741
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: That that's That was actually a great leading It's almost

742
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: like you read my mind, will that's what he does?

743
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Where I was going what he does? I heard from

744
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: short novel if I did. But dense, Uh, that's a

745
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: word I learned on this show. But yeah, yeah, from

746
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore and Zach Martin. Yeah. Yeah, they're dense guys. Yes,

747
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: not dnse dents, not Dunce dents, but you know, thick.

748
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: So how I heard from a couple of different people

749
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: internally that this guys that have been here for thirty years,

750
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: that this was the best locker room that they've ever

751
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: seen as far as like guys and work ethic and

752
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: things like that. When you put together a squad like that,

753
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: and this is a very talented team and just the

754
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: nature of football, you know a lot of these guys

755
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: are moving on and going to be free agents. How hard?

756
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: How hard is that to swallow? Knowing that you had

757
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: that this year and it ended the way that it did,

758
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and then knowing that next year it's going to be

759
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: a totally different you know, you hope the chemistry is there.

760
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: You hope that the guys are good that come back in.

761
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: But that does it make it extra tough knowing that

762
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: you had the right guys in here and just couldn't

763
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: get it done. Great question, Shannon, Now, thank you, will.

764
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: It's it's got one. It took me seventeen weeks. It's

765
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: it's a challenge that that that's why we do our

766
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: jobs because you know it's going to change, and that's

767
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: why it was important for me to stay personally, to

768
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: stay around this organization. And understanding kind of what it

769
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: is because you have to put people. You gotta you know,

770
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: you gotta find the pieces and it is a unique challenge.

771
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: Every year is different. Um we have but we didn't

772
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: have talented enough guys because we're not where we're supposed

773
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: to be. I'm just going to leave it at that.

774
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: That's on me and you know my crew. We got

775
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: to get better guys, and we've got to do whatever

776
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: it takes to get over the hump. That's what we're

777
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: challenged with doing. But it's yeah, yeah, they answered your questions. Yes,

778
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: it sucks. That's what's really really bad because they're good

779
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: people were I mean again, I go back to this,

780
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: it's people and you form relationships with these people and

781
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: you see the things that they go through and you

782
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: learn what's important to them and the things that they

783
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: go through. I mean, there's a lot of good men

784
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: that won't be in our locker room next year and

785
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: we've got to replace. And that gets me to the

786
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: most difficult thing that I think is probably on your

787
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: plate and most of it falls to you to begin

788
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: with you and Stephen, because you've got to manage the

789
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: salary cap and you've got a boatload of really good

790
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: players who are out of contract, and that's one of them.

791
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: That's and you were just alluding to the fact that

792
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: you you you can't keep them all. And I'm just

793
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, we're talking about we're

794
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: talking about Randy Gregory and Layton Vanderesh and Dorn's Armstrong

795
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: and jay Ron Curse and Carlos Watkins and uh, two

796
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: wide receivers and then you've got other veteran wide receivers,

797
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: four wide receivers. Gallup, yeah, Gallup and Watkins and Wilson Gallop,

798
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: Wilson Brown and there's one more. Okay, Well, I trust you,

799
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: oh Malik, Okay, So there you go. Uh. I mean

800
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose a lot of good players. Uh. And

801
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: so how how what happens right now? Do you have

802
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: to first? Well, first of all, do you first have

803
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: to know who the coordinators are going to be before

804
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: you can really delve into who the players are going

805
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: to be? Um, I think we understand where we're going organizationally,

806
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: and you want to find good, good players, and so, uh,

807
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: we know who's free agents. We will try and get

808
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: them at a cost or at least entertainment because they

809
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, they don't. They think they're going to make

810
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, and you know some of them will.

811
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: But we've got to keep trying to build a team

812
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: with good players and good people. And then again, if

813
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: coaches now can find out what they do best, these

814
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: guys are on our roster and we don't. You know, Steve,

815
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Stephen and Todd and Jerry, they do a great job

816
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: of getting contracts to whereas we can afford to pay

817
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: some guys with the That's the NFL nowadays. There's you know,

818
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: ten players on every team. About what's Jerry saying, seventy

819
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: five to eighty percent of the cap, And it's what

820
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: you do with those other guys. You have to draft well,

821
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: you have to develop well, and you got to be lucky,

822
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: and you gotta hit on the right guys. And free agency,

823
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: when you have a guy on your team that's pretty

824
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: long in his career and you're invested in him, and

825
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's some injury issues and things like that,

826
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: how do you out of as far as strategy, How

827
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: far in advance of knowing that they may be at

828
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: the end of the road do you start preparing to

829
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: to you know, Plug that feel that hole or or start,

830
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, cultivating players to take that position. You monitor

831
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: it year by year. It's you go through it and

832
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: every season as a as a snapshot into who that

833
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: player is. And sometimes there's rise and sometimes there's decline,

834
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes there's an injury and you know, how hard

835
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: does the guy work to come back from that injury.

836
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: But it's all kind of a mastery or at least

837
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: educated guesswork as to when you do it, because some

838
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: of these guys are going to go and make more

839
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: money than you can pay, or you know, there's guys

840
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: that are injured now and you have to make a

841
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: decision and they may recover and you know, be stars,

842
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: and you know for another team. So you go through

843
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: it and you try and look at it as a whole,

844
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: the guy's career and everything else, and you kind of

845
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: put it together and you and you take a educated

846
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: guess at it and you do what's right for your team.

847
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: Because there's twenty one of them. Is that what you said?

848
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: Twenty one and so many of them were really important contributors.

849
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: Is this going to be the hardest year you've experienced

850
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: yet in trying to keep the pieces you want to

851
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: keep and then replacing them. Yeah, it's gonna be hard

852
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: because you know there's the salary cap and you know

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Speaker 1: and you find the right ones. So everybody always asked

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Speaker 1: a lot different than yours. What is what is it

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Speaker 1: like working for the Jones family. It's great for me

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Speaker 1: because there's a They foster this family environment, which is

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Speaker 1: and get the answers, and so we come together. They're

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Speaker 1: they're very loyal people, um um. They believe in you know,

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Speaker 1: and having that belief a Hall of Fame owner Jerry

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Speaker 1: and my group can give him to you know, to

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Speaker 1: build this organization and to try and win super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I think the greatest thing about them is that

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Speaker 1: they when they believe in you, you have an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to grow and and you know, do some good things.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. Appreciate your time, Shannon Gross,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being man. Thank you for letting me

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Speaker 1: be here. This man, what fun. That's great. Let's do

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Speaker 1: it again. Let's do it Okay, but but not for

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Speaker 1: several months because this for the twenty twenty one season,

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