WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: It’s Pads Time 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:11.800 This he's Talking Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys Training 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:23.800 Camp in Hawnsnard, California. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brauns, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:29.080 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. And it is day number 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.960 four of Cowboys Camp, two thousand nineteen, Day number five 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.919 of Zeke Watch, because we count the travel day as 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.639 a Zeke Watch day as well. While back on Thursday. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.200 It's a new week for all of you out there, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.280 and it's a new edition of Talking Cowboys, the second 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.120 for us here in this two thousand nineteen training camp. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.640 But the biggest news of all is they put on 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.240 the pads today. That makes it a big day here. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.720 I just wrote down Pa d s Pat's pads past 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.520 Missouri Education. Doing you well? Finally, Yeah, I think I 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.120 could have watched another one or those. I'm sorry, did you? 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.200 But did you get anything out of you were talking 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.000 about earlier about guys lining up and rotations and stuff 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.960 like that, and you could see, yeah, where guys are 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.080 kind of where they are right in the rotation, like 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.640 whose first, second, or third? And that's all great. And 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.400 in one day though I could do that, I don't 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.360 know if I needed another day. You can see them 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.720 in the walkthrough too. Yes, so, I mean we've seen 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.840 two of those times. It's time to It's time to 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.520 see these linemen go head to head. That's all. The 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:36.560 walkthrough is more valuable to me than the other the 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.000 afternoon practice, just because they lined up and you could 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.080 see where they're playing different players against and against against 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.360 each other. Not that they did anything, Yeah, it was 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.440 just skeletons. You know. The things I was getting out 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.800 of the two practices that we watched were offensively, we're 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.400 about spacing, We're about route combinations. We're okay, we've seen 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.960 something different from Kellen Moore that we haven't seen before 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.720 with Scott Linehan. To me, it seems like better route 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.760 combinations as far as okay, I get now why they're 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.840 running the slants, running this, the outside guys running this. Okay, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.400 you got the back on the swing. Oh wait, we 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.000 got the tied end doing this. I'm starting to see 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.880 things differently that way. If you want to just just say, okay, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.440 just give me something to look at. I've noticed that 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.960 Dak Prescott and these quarterbacks have had more area to 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.960 throw it. Again, we'll have defense defenders getting on these 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.959 guys and stuff and We'll see if those windows shrink. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.079 But at least I've seen spacing that I haven't seen before, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.880 and I think that that itself. We all talked about 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:41.320 pre snap motion. We've talked about different looks moving personnel around, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.600 maybe using the fullback a little bit more than what 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.600 we've seen in the past. But I've just noticed a 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.119 little bit better of space for these receivers and Dak 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.320 Prescott to get that ball into To your point, that 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.800 was an emphasis Jason Garrett was making to the receivers yesterday. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.200 I mean, getting on them about their spacing, making sure 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.360 it's precise. And he said, I said something really interesting 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.440 in the press conference yesterday that he's he's acknowledged he's 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.200 spending more time with that side of the ball than 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.079 the defense. And when you think about it, it makes 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.920 a lot of sense. Kellen Moore, all these coaches that 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.600 are pretty you know, Mark Colombo, first year guy, John Kittna, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.120 work with those guys because that's where the most changes 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.440 on us fire in his second year here. Yeah, and 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.400 then on you look on the defensive side, when they 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.200 had pretty well established last year what they could do 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.840 with the combination of Marinelli, you know, Yeah, the the 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.839 offensive skilled players better be in good shape because as 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.480 much motion as there. Yeah, think he's right, they better 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.680 not be tired by the time they have to get 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.960 off the line of scrimmage because they're using the lot 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.280 you mentioned the full back right, Yeah, he better catch 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.160 the ball like he's catching it out here when they 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.600 throw it to him, like he did against Indianapolis. Show 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.360 but they got one shot for glory. He is not 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.440 a stationary player. They've got him in the slot. They 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.080 motioned them to the fullback spot. They motioned them out. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.160 The first time we talked to Kellen Moore as the 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.640 new OC and OTAs the first guy out of his 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.480 that he named out of his mouth. Ola Maze very 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.760 versatile in Oakland. Well, we didn't really see that last year, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.720 so maybe that's something different. Well what you're also seeing 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.159 too yesterday. If you notice this Jason Witten and Blake Jarwin, 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.719 him playing wide and then all of a sudden motioning 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.640 in and so he's trying to create He's trying to 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.600 create opportunities. If you're one of those teams that will 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.160 bump your best corner all the way to the tight 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.400 end or all the way out to a back out there, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.040 and now you put a lesser player in on, say 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.640 Randall Cobb, or you put somebody lesser on on Cooper. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.720 You know, he's testing some some theories here that Okay, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.840 if I move, maybe he's getting ready for somebody in 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.479 his mind that's gonna bump that corner all the way 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.880 out and like, okay, I'm gonna run this play when 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.719 they when they put a lesser corner in there. But 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.200 I've also noticed this guy's when they run the boots 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.040 in the waggles, what have you seen? He's always kind 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.800 of seen a tight end drag, tight end, drag, tight 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.840 end over the top. He's using wide receivers for this 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.360 he's using. I mean, yesterday he ran a really little 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.880 Night's Little design. And I've seen Randall Kyle run this 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.400 play in Green Bay where he motions all the way outside, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.480 stops at the wing, and then comes all the way 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.720 back across, and then Rogers hits him for that thing. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.599 All of a sudden, you've got all the trash inside. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.240 He's the defenders stuck, and now you got a guy 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.599 better run after the catch guy. And that's that's where 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.120 I think a little bit more creative for me, don't 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.479 throw the ball to Dalton Schultz and he lumbers around 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.279 for you know, it's a it's a play that could 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.080 have gone for twenty five yards, but it goes for 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.760 for ten because you got a kind of a lumbery guy. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.359 Get it the ball to a back or a or 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.480 a receiver that can run after catch, that can run 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.479 after catch and get you a bigger gain on the play, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.000 you know what I'm saying. And I think a lot 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.520 of people think, because Kellen Moore is young, we're gonna 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.800 have this sky sky Wars offense, Star Wars, Star Wars, Skywars. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.640 I saw that movie too, Sky Sky nineteen seventy seven. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.680 I wish can't could hear that right now? God bless him. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.479 Yeah he might be listening. He might be somebody else 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.920 out there should be listening every morning at nine o'clock. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.840 There a lot of two tight end offense too, And 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.279 Blake Jarwin is incorporated to this deal. And I think 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.360 it's a neat deal because Blake Jarwin has shown he 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.560 can get downfield, which will open up good eyes. So 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.600 uh yeah, don't don't think that they're there. This is 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.640 like twenty twenty five offense. You know, this is back 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.240 to two tight ends, which just gets back to a 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.400 lot of people were concerned with Whitten, who are Witten 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.280 critics that yeah, you can't get him off the field, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.000 you know, and that sort of thing. But they're gonna 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.520 have the two tight end formation just like they've had 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.239 in the past. And so and then what you hope 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.560 is Jarwin can block also like he got better? Has 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.440 he gotten better at it? We'll start finding out. Yeah, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.400 all right, So last night Jerry Jones did his little 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.640 TV car wash and went very well for Bill. I 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.640 got to at least listen to that one. Oh you did, Bill? 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.080 You weren't there for when it happened? Were you or 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:14.000 were you? He was hiding behind the trash can anywhere? Okay, okay, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.640 Oh so you don't have direct TV or no. Yeah, 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:23.600 but they're they're they're limiting my Ranger games. Okay, well, okay, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.200 aside from that Jerry breaking down. But but but the 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.400 reason I brought that up is that CBS is not 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.280 being carried by at a tu verse and direct TV 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.640 right now. Um, you know the I thought the well, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.640 I'll let you also say what you thought. The most 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.800 interesting thing from Jerry was. But in regard to Zeke Uh. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.840 He brought up the fact that even though my question 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.960 to him, you have limited time, you got with six 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.040 minutes six minutes, and by the way, there's no time 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.800 to stop watch exactly so, because what they do is 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.320 they had all four local Dallas Boards stations at San 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.360 Antonio stations do it so. I mean, Jerry was sitting 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.920 there at the gazebo area here at the residents end 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.520 for an hour straight just talking to a car wash 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.920 of different sportscasters that came through. I was the fourth 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.080 end line. See, there's no real chance for follow ups 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.960 if you want to get every topic in that you 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.400 want in six minutes with Jerry. But the interesting thing 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.920 I thought with Zeke, the question I asked him was, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.160 is Zeke to this Cowboys team what Emmett was to 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.560 the Cowboys team of the nineties. And he took it 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.120 and ran with it. As far as the Super Bowl goes, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.839 right off the bat well the differences. Emmett won a 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.520 super Bowl, multiple Super Bowls. One of the things though, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.360 that I thought found most interesting in his answer in 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.320 regards to the negotiations with the Zeke team is that 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.600 it's been proven over time that you don't have to 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.800 have a rushing champion to win a super Bowl. He 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.960 did point that out prominently after he pointed out that 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.920 Emmett Smith was the first NFL rushing champion to win 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.560 a super Bowight, he was the first NFL rushing champion 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.320 to win a super Bowl, And he was rather emphatic 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.719 what he said that. But he said, but it's been 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.840 proven over time that you do not need a rushing 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.160 champion to win a super Bowl. And his point is 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.160 we're building a super Bowl team, and when we allocate 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.120 funds to all these players, we have to have enough 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.800 money to field an entire team. Didn't we question the 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:37.920 selection of Zeke Elliott three four years ago? No? No, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.800 why not? Why not? I don't question it because he's 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:48.319 such a good guys watched him perform these last three years. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.000 Then why not extend him. They will extend him, but 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.320 not probably for we don't know what they're asking for sure, right, No, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.960 I'm just saying, And man, that's what Jerry's point was. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.520 I think it wasn't the point you don't need a 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.920 star running back. It was we need other things too. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.320 I can't just be the I'm on board. I'm on board. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.000 This is I'm one of the guys who'd like to 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.679 see Zeke get into So what what you need to 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.959 find out is what are they asking for? Okay, this 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.400 this is the This is turning into the same discussion 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.040 we had with DeMarcus Lawrence. It's the same thing. There's 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.160 an end pass. Well, we don't really know how far 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.160 apart they are, right, And and then it comes to 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:31.880 your point like, yeah, Jerry did allude to uh was 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:37.479 he's got a plan in place right to avoid a 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.200 a holdout that will last into the regular season. Okay, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.559 and that's good. That's good because I'm with Brian. They 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.720 need to resign. I lost my tranth. Where I was 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.120 going was in terms of DeMarcus wanted a certain amount. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.280 Stephen Jones' point was, look, we're trying, like to what 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.520 you said, Bill, we're trying to build a super Bowl. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.560 We need to spread it around. And the law said, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.960 that's not my problem. It's not my problem problem. Yeah, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.920 I'm I'm been to two Pro Bowls. Yeah, And Zeke's argument, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.920 I'm not talking to him right now, but his argument 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.880 is I should probably be a three time rushing champ 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.320 right now. I'm the best back in the NFL. So 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:12.960 how do you how do you meet in the middle? Now, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.960 Lawrence and the Cowboys eventually did, but there's an impass 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.760 right now based on market. To your point, they'll meet 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.160 in the middle. They will meet, but right now, yeah, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.600 but if they but if if this turned into something, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.760 I'm glad to hear you say that he had a plan, 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.120 because if this is going to turn into Zeke being 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.760 stubborn and hold out the entire ye, then now you're 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.360 in a situation and you're absolutely I'm just saying as 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.240 far as team building, I'm with you, Mickey did as 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.240 many great players as you can. This has turned into 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.200 it's it's a great situation to have, but it's also 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.560 a curse. You have to sign all these guys, and 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.959 all these guys do make Pro Bowls and are all 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.760 pro and do help you win football games. But I'm 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.760 just saying, though, if it's a situation where your attitude 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.560 is we've won super Bowls without it's proven it. You know, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.000 a great running back is not the recipe. If you're 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.720 if that's our attitude, then you should have drafted someone else. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.559 You should have said, Okay, we could take a good 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.760 running back, not a great running back at four. We 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.520 could take a good running back at at fifty seven 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.360 or at sixty two or at whatever. I don't question 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.520 it to answer your question, Brian, because I'm glad they 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.880 drafted Yeah, because because one, he is the best back 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.520 in the league. Arguably he's he's living, he's lived up 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.360 to that Moniker or that draft status number two. At 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.760 the time, why they drafted him. The shape of the 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.720 roster was to help an aging Tony Romo question, and 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.680 your defense was not at close to the level it 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.679 is right now. They wanted to milk the clock basically 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.160 and play keepaway that way, and he was perfect for 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.640 both sides of the ball. And you know, he's still 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.120 kind of the foundation of what they're doing offensively. I 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.120 imagine when he gets back, it'll get done. You wonder 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:03.320 if there is a compromise position on a shorter term 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.839 contract of that can get him. I'm starting to hear 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.360 that around the league talking to people at night, that 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.360 these guys that are looking for contracts are looking for 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.000 shorter term deals because of the CBA, because the unknown 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.280 of the CBA, And so if guys are taking shorter 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.680 term deals, Rob, you're the NBA guy here, we've seen 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.640 guys take shorter contracts to get the free agency quicker. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.880 They signed what one or two year deals or something 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.840 like that. Yeah, or anticipating a cap spike exactly exactly. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.720 So there's a lot of guys around the league that 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.720 are thinking that, Okay, the new collective bargaining agreement is 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.320 going to be there's going to be a big jump, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.000 and I don't want to be caught behind that jump. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.600 So maybe by what you're saying, there is to make Yeah, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.040 there's instead of a six year deal, there's a two 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.800 three year deal that you could kind of work on 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.520 to get to the next level. But I'm guessing a 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.960 running back wants that long term deal. Yeah, I would say, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.319 there's no question. I mean, we had a great mail 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.080 bad question yesterday about that, which should should running backs 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.800 because of the way they're devalued as they say, And 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.079 I'm not one of the de valuers. I think a 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.080 running back is huge, hugely important if that's a right 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.640 word describe a running back. But the question was should 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.920 running backs get more guaranteed money in their first couple 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.920 of years here deal? But how do you do that? Well? 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.760 My answer is a great thought, but my thought My 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.880 answer was, how do you determine what's the most punishing position. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.240 You could say it's running back, but linebackers would say, oh, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.440 it's us. Yeah, you know, we're in a car crash 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.240 every every day, you know. So it's interesting because because 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.240 that is the prevailing thoughts, right, is it firsts first 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.240 round runbacks? Or do you have to prove your worth 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.160 after the first year to get that and get that bump? Well, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:48.400 you know, I don't know. I mean that it was 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.640 a good question. I thought. If you look at Zeke, though, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.560 if you give him a three year deal that means 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.360 he plays through twenty four and twenty five and twenty six. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.440 The last thing you want to do is a running 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.520 back is hit free agency at tw seven. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.040 I agree. Yeah, you would rather say, okay, I made 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.200 it to twenty nine and okay if I don't, but 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.120 I got my money. They're just gonna have to guarantee 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.800 him enough money that he says, I'll take all that 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.280 and I won't worry about the end number. The end 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.120 number is insignificant. It's how much guarantee money you get, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.960 and maybe you guarantee the whole thing. If that's the 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:33.280 way to do the quarter. Yeah, yeah, I give you 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.440 four four years for fifty million, and you say, okay, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.600 and it's all guaranteed. Yeah, that's pretty good because he 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.560 is girls was guaranteed. I got to look that up. Oh, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.920 I just know that it was fourteen something per year, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.960 but I don't know. I got a guarantee on and 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.600 he right now, right now, if if they just came 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.680 back and played between the money he would make this 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:02.320 year next year and two friends chise tags, he would 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.400 be guaranteed forty four million over four years. Now, that's 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.640 only eleven million a year. You're gonna have to up that, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.280 but it's guaranteed, it's guaranteed. Todd Gurley's is forty five 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:15.120 guaranteed four year. His is four years, fifty seven and 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.240 a half million dollars signed a year ago at this 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:22.200 time and guaranteed. It's signing was twenty one nine total 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.520 guarantee forty five million, right, So okay, And you don't 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.600 know what the back end of the base salaries are. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.640 And again they have to adhere to the thirty percent 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.160 rule on the base salaries. And that complicates this thing 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.600 because you can't hide it all in a couple of 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.840 years there's the back end of the base salary. It's 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.880 at his last year twenty twenty three is seven point 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.400 four million with a five million dollar roster bonus. So 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.880 that's twelve million basically on its last year. Because to 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.040 your point about isn't Demarcus's first year base pretty low? 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.040 It's one point five million, and then it goes to 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.280 sixteen next year. Well, you can't do that between twenty 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.920 twenty and twenty twenty one, right, right, So that's where 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.679 you're getting that if the structure is important too, and 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.879 you hope the agent understands what the structure part of 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:17.080 this is because unless there is a new CBA before 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:22.080 twenty twenty, then and again it runs through twenty twenty. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.879 But if they don't get ahead of it, then you 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.560 got to adhere to that thirty percent rule. Are we 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.159 more worried about Zeke's off the field or his health 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:37.680 in a long term deal? I think naturally you are 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.520 more concerned about the health of a running back. But 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.680 it was proven here with Emmett that a running back 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:49.280 can stay healthy and yeah, yeah, and Zeke has shown 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.040 so far that he is healthy as can be. It appears, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.480 has not missed a game new injury correct, And I 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.080 think that guys like Eddie George that played ten years, 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.400 you know, productive backs and stuff like that, I think 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.040 I'm more I would be more worried if I was 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.360 a Cowboy fan or the front office. I think I'd 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.560 be more worried about the off field than I would 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.240 the health myself. Right, but think about it, the really 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.800 good running backs, like not just a running back, I 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.680 mean the top level running backs. Usually they're not bothered 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.280 by injury. They're not right, They're not you don't see 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:32.720 a light. But with No, he had issues, don't Hopefully 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.480 nobody in my room can hear me. Curly had knee 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.240 problems before, right, That's why he lasted as long as 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.400 he did in the draft because of the knee problems 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.040 at Georgia. And he had already had had his knees 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:53.160 operated on. So you got to take that into considering A. Yeah, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.080 he should have been. He should have been one of 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.600 my one of my favorite. If you gave me a 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.560 Tracey between him and Zeke, I take I take Girly now, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.520 even okay, even with the injury coming out of school. No, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.600 I'm saying right now, oh no, no, no, I would 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.280 take I would take Sea, but coming out of college, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.800 I was watching it too. Yeah, to your point, Brian, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.520 back in the offseason earlier, when when the Vegas thing happened, Yeah, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.560 the Jones has said that's not affecting these negotiations. But 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.280 you're saying just the possibility of something else coming up 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.240 in the future that could see. That's where I would 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.159 but see, Rob and I were at the Combine and 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:35.080 Stephen talked about this very thing, about this contract and 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.720 he mentioned girly you know, and if you're listening, you're going, Okay, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.840 this is where we're at now. Again, Mickey, you've been 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.159 here doing this a thousand years. You've heard the Joneses 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.640 say things, and they've done another. I mean, I get 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.280 that that's part of it. But that got my attention 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.040 to know. The day that we were at the Combine, 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.159 we said, Okay, if that's where it's going to start, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.119 which's words it's gonna start. Yeah, And so now all 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.560 of a sudden you're thinking, Okay, Mickey's coming up with 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.800 a really good plan of Garrett Tea and stuff, trying 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.080 to get that theme somewhere between ten and eleven million 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:07.440 dollars a year. Well, that's not girly, that's something that's 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.080 something else and I think it was it Charles Robinson 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.080 for Yah, who had a story yesterday that and this 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.359 is all sourced, you know, and a lot of it's 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.800 around the league information that that teams with good backs 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.159 are trying to reset that market. Yeah, not have it 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.720 started fourteen plus. But that's easier said than done. When 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.600 you're Zeke and you're saying, well, i've been to you know, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.800 I'm a three time rushing champ, possibly had I not 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.280 been suspended six they look, they look at the deal 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.520 that Kevin Dimoff did in Los Angeles and less sneat 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.119 as a bad one, and they're trying to reset it 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.119 to really what Freeman at with Atlanta. Freeman it was 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.440 like eight million. Maybe it's it's you know, for a Zeke, 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.640 it's got to be more than that. No, but but 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.640 but they're they're thinking about it's everybody's saying, wow, that's 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.720 got to that's a terrible deal. But that's not that's 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.040 not the agents. That's not their fault. The rams are 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.800 the ones that did that deal. And remember what Jerry's 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.280 longest answer was, oh yeah on Friday, Yeah, no question, 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.680 this is us, no question. We don't have the Rams, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.359 have the Raiders or the Eagles with the Wins deal. Yeah, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.679 and so that's you know, that's the bottom line. And 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.239 it seems like they're holding strong to it because I 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.920 guarantee you that's what's going on with Melvin Gordon now 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.520 with the Chargers. He's looking at Girly and saying, Okay, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.560 I'm your guy now I want to be paid like that. Well, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:25.960 we have seen in history though, with the Dez Bryant deal. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.240 Was it the Marius Thomas that once Dez Bryant got 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.240 his deal, the Marus Thomas signed for basically the same 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.160 number right behind him. So we could say that we're 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.840