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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number nine

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Speaker 1: Toy in the show, we're joined by Tony Peterson, who's

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Speaker 1: sharing his in depth tactics for hunting public land white tales.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Sick of Gear, and today we're talking

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Speaker 1: public land white tales and joining us is one of

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Speaker 1: the foremost experts on this topic, Tony Peterson. Now, Tony

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Speaker 1: is an experienced outdoor writer and a dead serious deer hunter.

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Speaker 1: So with that mind, in just a few minutes, we're

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Speaker 1: going to get Tony on the line. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to know him a little bit better, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into the nuts and bolts of how he's

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Speaker 1: been able to have such consistent success hunting mature bucks

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Speaker 1: on public land across the country. But before that, Mr

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Speaker 1: co host Dallas fort Worth, Dan Johnson, what news do

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Speaker 1: you bring from Iowa? Um mm hmm, not too much.

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Speaker 1: I just finished the peanut butter and jelly sandwich and

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Speaker 1: I'm working on my first beer the night. So I

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Speaker 1: saw your picture on Instagram. It looked like just a

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Speaker 1: bread sandwich. I didn't seen any peanut butter and jelly,

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Speaker 1: and my first thought was like, is he just eating

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Speaker 1: two slices of whitebread that's what it looked like. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: trust me, there's plenty of peanut butter and jelly in

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Speaker 1: the middle of that. Okay, Now, I like, I like

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Speaker 1: to keep it towards the center because if you bite

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Speaker 1: into it and then it all comes out the side,

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Speaker 1: I'm not into that. See I disagree. I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's the sign a good p B and J. You

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Speaker 1: need to have enough filler to have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of skirtage or whatever you want to call it, squirtage.

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Speaker 1: What's the squirtage factor? I think probably a good thing

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Speaker 1: for us to be devoid using the term squirtage factor

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Speaker 1: ever again on this show. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think that squirtage factor could accurately accurately describe a

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Speaker 1: quality broadhead elaborate maybe you know, like you just you

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Speaker 1: just smoke a deer and some some squirtage factors are

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Speaker 1: higher or lower of the broad head, which makes the

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Speaker 1: blood trail harder or easier to follow. The higher the

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Speaker 1: squirtage factor, the easier the blood trailer follow. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: guess you know you're the gear guy, so I'll let you.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll with that. Other than P B and J

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Speaker 1: in your first beer, the things going pretty well, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty well. You know, only one of my kids

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Speaker 1: even a sickness. It's just like snotty nose and he's

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Speaker 1: teething again, which I think last for eighteen years. Ship,

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Speaker 1: the family. That's better than sometimes, right. I I actually

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Speaker 1: got sick this past week for the first time, and

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Speaker 1: was kind of out of it. Yeah, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: better today. I do. Today. I finally feel better, really

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Speaker 1: weekend plans. I didn't get to get out and do

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Speaker 1: I've been wanting to do some hinge cutting and improve

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Speaker 1: But that's that's all in this new with me and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy that. I uh, you know, I've hunted,

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Speaker 1: you know, hunt all sorts of difference different Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of neat to be able to

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Speaker 1: pretty cool thing. So right right, I'm I'm excited my buddy,

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Speaker 1: want to plan a food plot, He's like, just do

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing what happens. Very exciting, very exciting. Um.

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Speaker 1: So kind of the opposite of what we just talked about, right,

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Speaker 1: we were just talking about planning food plots. Well, our

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Speaker 1: to hear since I've not I've done some public land hunting,

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Speaker 1: You know, I honestly do not know where he Tony lives.

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Speaker 1: Um no other than I mean, do you eat Girl

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Speaker 1: Scout cookies? Do I eat Girl Scout? Am I American?

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Speaker 1: the lemon ones with that like lemon frosting, and I

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Speaker 1: other ones that are covering. It's like a rich crack

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Speaker 1: You have you have left out what I think is

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Speaker 1: even just the best girls, skoll cookie, just the best

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Speaker 1: cookie formerly known as a Caramel Delight, now known as

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Speaker 1: a Samoa. It's a gift from God. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the the kind of cookie. It looks like a wreath,

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Speaker 1: kind of the Boot and Crockett of cookies. It really is.

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Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, yeah, I really am. I'm not even exaggerating,

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Speaker 1: Like this thing has got my finger shaking, my mouth salvating,

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Speaker 1: my stomachs grumbling. And let's get with that. Let's get

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Speaker 1: tony before before we do give Tony Call. Though, let's

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Speaker 1: get shot, that's okay. Um. It's where some of this

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00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: stuff starts to come from. The perspective where people that

428
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: are doing some of those hunts say they're experts or

429
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: that you know, they're really getting after it, and you

430
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: can kind of see through that, and that's where it's tough. Um,

431
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not I'm not knocking anybody specifically,

432
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: but that perception out there. I feel like the hunting

433
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, the hunting demographic, the people out there that

434
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: are that are just you know, your your weekend warriors

435
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: or your average hunters out there, I feel like they're

436
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: kind of getting turned off from the hunting industry. As

437
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: a whole because it's being presented that way where maybe

438
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: it's just entertainment, but a lot of those people producing

439
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: that are trying to come off as experts too, and

440
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: a lot of that just doesn't jive. Um, you know,

441
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: if you're hunting, if you're hunting a premier place in

442
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: southern I was, it's you know, four thousand acres of

443
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: supermanaged land, and that that's what you do. That's okay,

444
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: but you probably maybe don't have very much to offer

445
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: the public land hunter in Pennsylvania, for example, who's living

446
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: in a completely different world. So it's a it's kind

447
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: of a tough deal to manage the expectations from the

448
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: audience as far as you know, is this entertainment, is

449
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: this education? Is it a little of both? And and

450
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: some some of the shows out there, some of the

451
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: writers out there, do a really good job of both.

452
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: And that's that really kind of is your job. But

453
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: not everybody does a good job with it, you know.

454
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: So there's a really long winded, convoluted answer to your question.

455
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank goodness, because if those types of answers

456
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: weren't allowed, then both me and Dan couldn't answer any

457
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: questions either. Um, but I think you know, to your point, Tony,

458
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: the other side of what you mentioned is that type

459
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: of show and again not knocking at all. There's a

460
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: there's a place for it. Like you said, entertainment. I

461
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: enjoy them too, But I think the other and we've

462
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, the other kind of risk

463
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: of that type of entertainment is that it can sometimes

464
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: skew our expectations or other people's expectations about what hunting

465
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: should look like. You know, they will think that, well,

466
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: because so and so killed hundred sixty six year old

467
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: every time I've ever pulled up their TV show, how

468
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: come I can't how come I don't see that dear

469
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: all the time, or I'm doing all this stuff, how

470
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: come it's not working out for me? And I think

471
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: it leads to a lot of frustration for people. Um

472
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: and So it's something you know we always try to

473
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: talk about, is is you know, trying to set realistic

474
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: expectations based on you know where you're at and you

475
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: know what some you know real goals could be versus

476
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, setting your sights on trying to be the

477
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: next so and so on the outdoor channel. I think

478
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: that's that's an easy way to get disenchanted and disappointed

479
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: with hunting, which is which is obviously not what we

480
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: want to do. Well, absolutely, I think I think you're

481
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: spot on there, and I really think one of the

482
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: reasons that we shed hunter numbers is I run into

483
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of let's say, kind of

484
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty five year old crowd that comes in

485
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: and they're they're setting their sights on you know, us

486
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: box every year, and they're not They're not able to

487
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: do it because that's so difficult, and they become frustrated

488
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: with the process. And we've in in some ways, we're

489
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of skipping that natural progression of the hunter where

490
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: everybody used to start out, you know, hunting squirrels with

491
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: the twenty two and maybe moving up to rabbits and

492
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe pheasants and turkeys and then deer, and you were

493
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: happy with whatever dear you shot first. And we're a

494
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: lot of people are starting out with expectations that are just,

495
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, to me, kind of insane um And I think,

496
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm part of that problem too. I mean,

497
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: I work for these magazines and these TV shows where

498
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: we present this this false reality out there where. If

499
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: you look at you know what the average with the

500
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: average person kills with a bow per year. I mean,

501
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, anybody that's out there killing a

502
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen inch bucks every year, I don't care

503
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: if you're in Iowa or Michigan or Pennsylvania, South Carolina

504
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: or wherever. If you're killing a buck like that, you're

505
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: doing something better than most people out there. And you

506
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: bump it right up and go, Okay, how about which

507
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: is a great deer. If anybody's out there consistently killing

508
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: those deer, even in the good States, they're really doing

509
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: something right. And like you said, most people with their

510
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: with their goals. I tell people all the time, just

511
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: hunt for what makes you happy. Nobody else cares what

512
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: you kill. There's like three people in your life that

513
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: actually care what size of a buck you kill. The

514
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: rest of them really don't. So if that deer walks

515
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: in and you'd be stoked to shoot it, just shoot it.

516
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: Who cares what everybody else thinks? Yeah, yeah, I I agree.

517
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: It's something we we try to we try to emphasize

518
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: a lot when we talk about this topic too, because

519
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: I think you know, to your point, it's it's easy

520
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: for or you know, when we present what we're doing,

521
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: or on a TV show or a magazine article, or

522
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: me and Dan here talking about you know, our goals. Um,

523
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: you know those are those are our personal goals. But

524
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: they do not in any way need to dictate what

525
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: you the listeners doing, you know, just because then because

526
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Dan hunts in southern Iowa and he waits for four

527
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: year olds, or because I'm you know, on a trip

528
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: to Ohio or here in Michigan and I'm you know,

529
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: shooting such and such. You know, do what, like you said, Tony,

530
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: I love that. Do what gets you stoked, what makes

531
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: you happy, and um, you know all the other things

532
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: will fall into place. I've always thought of hunting. You know,

533
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: it should be like a ladder. You should take steps

534
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: up that letter, one step at a time, and you know,

535
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: don't let the media or social media or anything like

536
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: that dictate you know where you set your sights, um,

537
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: because that you know that that's just setting yourself up

538
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: for failure. Yeah, big time. And you know the people

539
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: that are really passionate about that, they like they, like

540
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you said, they move up the ladder. So they go,

541
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: all right, this this kind of age Classic buck really

542
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: isn't challenging for me, So I'm gonna bump it up

543
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: and go for that three and a half or four

544
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: and a half year old or whatever. But some people

545
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: don't have the time, Some people don't have the spots.

546
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Some people just don't have the drive to go out

547
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: all the time. If that's the case, that's fine. Just

548
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: admit it and go for what's going to make you happy.

549
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: There's there's no there's no reason to get all bent

550
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: out of shape over going after year that he just

551
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: can't or won't kill. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, so true,

552
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: so true. So so let's let's take a step back

553
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: to public land now. And I think a lot of

554
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: these things we just mentioned about setting realistic goals and

555
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: everything can can definitely be something you to think about

556
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to hunting public land. But you just share,

557
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: you just share with us why you hunt public land. UM,

558
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about now for someone who is hunting

559
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: public land, whether it be you know, by choice or

560
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: by necessity. UM, can you kind of I really want

561
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: to dive deep into your entire process of how you

562
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: go about hunting public properties, everything from finding a spot

563
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: to learning about a spot to actually being in their hunting.

564
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: So I guess, can we start at a high level,

565
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, how do you go about actually choosing a

566
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: property or finding a public peace to hunt? How does

567
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: that process start for you? So for me, it depends

568
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: if I'm looking for I live just north of the

569
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: Twin Cities, so if I'm looking for a place around

570
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: here to hunt, my process will be a little bit

571
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: different than. Let's just say, last night, for example, I

572
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep because I kept thinking about some of these

573
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: walking areas in South Dakota I started hunting last year,

574
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's snuck out of the bedroom

575
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: and started looking on my iPad aerial photos at midnight

576
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: last night, looking up just some of the public land there.

577
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: And and for me, the biggest part of the process,

578
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: especially if I'm looking for an out of state hunt, um,

579
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: which I do a lot, is just that time on

580
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: the aerial photos. UM. I know. I know some people

581
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: like to go on the internet forums and stuff and

582
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, hey, any good places in southwestern Oklahoma or

583
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 1: something like that, But you know that information is just

584
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: not vetted. And I'm not saying you can't get good

585
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: information that way. But for me, I pick a state

586
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: I want to hunt, and I'll just let's let's just

587
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: use like Nebraska as example. I love Nebraska. I'll say

588
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I want to go to Nebraska and hunt the rut.

589
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: The first thing I'm gonna do is figure out where

590
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: the big cities are in Nebraska. Now, there really aren't

591
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: very many. There's only a couple and they're on the

592
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: east side of the state. So I'm gonna look for

593
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: a place in the state that has no people. I

594
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: want to get away from people because hunting pressure. Anybody

595
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: that hunts public land knows hunting pressure is just like

596
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: your number one enemy, no matter what to me, it

597
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Trump's everything at Trump's whether Trump's season, timing, anything, And

598
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: so I just want to start looking in an area

599
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: where they're just probably won't be very many people. And

600
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: then once I started identifying some public land places there,

601
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: then I get on the aerial photos and really dig

602
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: in and look and see whether those specific parcels have

603
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: something that offers a white tail hunter's kind of how

604
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I start celabrate on that last piece for us, um,

605
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: what are you looking for when you're on the area.

606
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: What does quality public land, terrain or property look like

607
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: for you from an aerial view. Uh. First off, the

608
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna look at is access. If it's

609
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of you know, walking trails or

610
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: logging roads, or if it if it looks like it's

611
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: really easy to access, I'll skip it. But if I

612
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: find a place that you know, maybe has one access

613
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: point or two access points, um that, then I'll start

614
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: digging in. And then I'm looking for with white tails.

615
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: One of the first things that I always look for.

616
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people go and look for food sources.

617
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: They look for those egg fields or you know, some

618
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of food source on there. But for me, I

619
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: look for water. Um I. My my absolute favorite type

620
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: of of white tail spot to hunt is something with

621
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: with moving water in it. I just love creek streams,

622
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: rivers something like that. I know, if I find moving water,

623
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: I'll find probably pretty decent white tail cover. I'll be

624
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: able to find mind a crossing somehow. Whether I can

625
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: actually see the low spots on the river in the

626
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: aerial photos. I mean this aerial photography to satellite photography.

627
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Now you can actually zoom in and see rocks sticking

628
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: out of the water and tell which way the river's flowing,

629
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: tell how shallow it is. Um, it's just amazing. But

630
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: for me, that's what I start with. I want I

631
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: want some kind of moving water to start with. And

632
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: so you're looking at that moving water as something that's

633
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: going to be a tool sort of for you. So

634
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: you know that you can you'll be able to know

635
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: some things right out the gate because of the fact

636
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: that you know the deer will relate to that moving

637
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: water in some certain way or what you mentioned, cross

638
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: it and I imagine maybe you use that type of

639
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: thing for access in and out of a property too. Maybe.

640
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, access is huge, covers your noise. You're usually

641
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: below the banks. Uh. You know, provided it's not too

642
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: big of a river. Um, you can wade most of them.

643
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: But there are a couple other things. If I have

644
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: to cross a river to hunt the other side for

645
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: some reason, I can leave my competition behind because they

646
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: won't do it. Um. Just this. It's the same thing

647
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: like climbing a great big hill or a block. I'll

648
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: look for that too. But with the rivers, especially if

649
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: you get on bigger chunks of federal land, there'll be

650
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot of public grazing on their cattle. Grazing, and

651
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: so there's only going to be so many places with

652
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: decent cover that white tails like now, this is this

653
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: would be different if I were looking for meal deer,

654
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: antelope or something, obviously, but for white tails, you want

655
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the best thickest cover you can find. Most of the time.

656
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: That's that's right next to the rivers of the creeks um.

657
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, it might be only just you know, patches

658
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: of cotton woods or something, but it will be better

659
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: than the surrounding area. And so you know that, you

660
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: know the priabe white tails there. There's usually agriculture pretty

661
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: close to those river you know, those the watersheds. There's

662
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: usually the right stuff there. And on top of that,

663
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: because rivers are low, you can use them like use

664
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: them for access, like you said, but there's also a

665
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: lot of times a lot of really good pinch points

666
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: and funnels along rivers because the bends, and it's just

667
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: it's just a great starting point most of the time.

668
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, that and that makes a lot of sense.

669
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: But taking a step back, I guess I didn't kind

670
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: of probe on this before you even get to the

671
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: actual aerial photographs. I'm just kind of curious, actually, trying

672
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: to figure out where these public parcels are. Is there

673
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: a resource that you found that that's helpful for that?

674
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, are you just going and looking at Google

675
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Earth and seeing where the marked you know, national forest

676
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: or National Wildlife refuges or whatever a government website you've

677
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: been able to find for different states it's helpful or

678
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. Mostly the state game agencies now have

679
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: really good interactive maps, um. And so what I'll do

680
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: is I'll pull up Google Earth and then I'll go

681
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: to you know, Nebraska's Game and Fish or South Dakota

682
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: Game Fish and Parks or whatever, and start looking for

683
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: decent sized chunks of public land in the area I

684
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: want to hunt. And I'll just look at i aerial

685
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: photos on Google Earth or whatever and and take a

686
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: closer look at them and just kind of decide. But

687
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: you know this, this process used to be so much

688
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: more difficult, um to figure out where you could hunt,

689
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: what looked good and stuff. And now you can do

690
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: so much of your scouting from home. It's it's just amazing.

691
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: And so the some of the state game agencies have

692
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: taken a little while we catched up to this, but

693
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: an awful lot of them have really really good interactive

694
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: maps on their websites, and that's just the easiest way

695
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: for you to go out and see every piece of

696
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: public land in that state and then you can start

697
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: your search. Yeah, okay, so let's say we've we've done that, right,

698
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: We've said, okay, we're gonna hunt in Nebraska. We've decided

699
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: that we like this general area here. Do you usually

700
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: do you kind of pick one piece of public land

701
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: you really like, or do you kind of head your

702
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: bets and say, okay, I know I want to hunt

703
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: this general area, but I haven't been there on the

704
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: ground before, so here's one piece I like in then

705
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: do you try to find a couple of backup plans

706
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: just in case, or do you usually find a spot tails?

707
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: It depends a lot of times on my white tail

708
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: spots that I find, they'll be smaller, so it might

709
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: only be an eight acre chunk or chunk or maybe

710
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: a section, And I always try to have a plan B, C, D,

711
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: at least at least a couple because you never know

712
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: when you get there how many people are going to

713
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: be there, or it might not look the way you

714
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: expect it to. Now, if I'm hunting you know, a

715
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: great big national grassland or something, and that that might

716
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: be a different story because I know I can probably

717
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: get away from the crowds in there, but primarily for

718
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: white tales. If I'm going to travel the hunt him,

719
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm always going to have at least a couple of

720
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: backup spots to check out because you just you never know,

721
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: I've showed up to these places and they've been just

722
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: overrun with people. Um, it doesn't happen very often, but

723
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: when it does, you need another place to go, you know. Yeah,

724
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: that that definitely seems that, you know, that's the best

725
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: way to go about it, because I haven't in a

726
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: situation like that. Well, I guess I have been in

727
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: a situation like that in public land, but the same

728
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: thing even on private when I've done state hunts and

729
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: gotten permission on a private peace, sometimes you arrive and

730
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, like I found out

731
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: this past year, I got permission on a spot in Iowa,

732
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize that they've given permission to just

733
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: about every other hunter in the county too. So you

734
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: have to be able to just and adapt to that

735
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: type of scenario where the plan B C etcetera. Well,

736
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: and to that point, Uh, one of the things that

737
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: I noticed about public land is people get really soured

738
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: on the experience, especially you know, you guys in Michigan

739
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: or here in Minnesota. We have a lot of hunting

740
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: pressure over in Wisconsin, a lot of hunting pressure, and

741
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: hunters will get really really cagy about going out on

742
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: public land and other states, and man, if you've been

743
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: out there to some of these states where they just

744
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: aren't as many people and as many hunters, public land

745
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: hunting can be really really good, and most people want

746
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: to go out and find that private land because there's

747
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: that stigma attached to public land. But if you do

748
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: your homework, I've got spots in several different states that

749
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: are better, better overall for for just more deer activity

750
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: and my chance to run into a truly mature buck

751
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: than a lot of my private spots here in Minnesota.

752
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: That's a great point. And I know you probably don't

753
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: want to give away any of your secrets here, but

754
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: are there any states out there that you recommend as

755
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: pretty decent options for public land hunters that maybe some

756
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: people aren't considering or um, you know, guys that want

757
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: to make a trip out somewhere, maybe the hunter of

758
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: the East Coast. Something they're considering a trip out that

759
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: might be worth trying to look into. For public land, Uh,

760
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: there's a ton of them. I mean, Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa's

761
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: public land. It's phenomenal if you can stomach the tag um, Kentucky,

762
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: and if you get west to the Mississippi a little

763
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: ways there's there's kind of that flyover area. I love

764
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: the Dakota, that love Nebraska. Kansas had some unbelievable walk

765
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: in stuff last year. I spent six days in Oklahoma

766
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: hunting public land and we recovered in deer um. There

767
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: are a lot of really good options out there that

768
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the premier st I mean, most of the

769
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: attention goes to Iway, Illinois and in Kansas, so I

770
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: don't ever want to dissuait anybody from hunting those, but

771
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: there are some really good options out there with really

772
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: inexpensive non resident tags where you can go have a

773
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: good hunt. You know, and I know people like to

774
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: focus on traveling for white tales. Is you know that

775
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: that trip to kill a giant, But if you go

776
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: in some of these with ree electic expectations you'll have

777
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: a blast, You'll have good deer hunting, um if it

778
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: provided you do your homework and it's not going to

779
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: cost you, you know, more than it depends where you

780
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: come from, but you might you might get a really

781
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: good hunt for five, six, seven, eight hundred bucks. Yeah,

782
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: I think I think so many people. I think that's

783
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: maybe it's changing. But in the past, I think there

784
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't a umption for a lot of folks that

785
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: they wanted to have that you know, Midwest experience or

786
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: and you know, chase some of these great big bucks,

787
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: so they'd have to you know, pay three thousand dollars

788
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: for an outfitter or have to have like a five

789
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollar lease or whatever. But to your point, there

790
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: really are so many relatively affordable d I Y options

791
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: if you're willing to put in the work, if you're

792
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: willing to you know, save a little money for gas

793
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: and food, and you know, if you're okay with not

794
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: staying in somewhere fancy. You know, I like to sleep

795
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: in the back of my truck and eat a Mountain

796
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: house meal and head out into the woods. And that's

797
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: a great way to get a hunt in for you know,

798
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: on a on a budget. Well, and that's that's just

799
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: about everything I do. And that's that's what I try

800
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: to get across to people, is you know, because especially

801
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: now when I you know, with two little girls at home. Yeah,

802
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going for ten days at a time on

803
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: these crazy hunts. I'm going for four or five days.

804
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: And since I'm paying for it myself, I wanted, you know,

805
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: a reasonable price over the counter tag. I'm gonna go

806
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: camp with a couple of buddies and the whole thing

807
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: is gonna cost me six bucks, you know, and on

808
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: top of that, you're gonna have a really good chance

809
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: of killing something. And these opportunities are out there, and

810
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people get intimidated by the process. But

811
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: once you do at one time, you know, you just

812
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: get that comfort level up and it's not so intimidating

813
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: any longer. Yeah. Yeah, And I think I think a

814
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: lot of the fun is in the process too, you know,

815
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: doing doing all this it's different. And again, you know,

816
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: this can be applied. I think in a lot of

817
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: ways that we're talking about could be just applicable to

818
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: hunting in your backyard. I mean, you know, if you

819
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: in your general area, let's say, if you need to

820
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: find a new spot and you're going public. But you know,

821
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: if you are doing this out of state type hunt

822
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: looking for public, it's a fun new experience. I think

823
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people would enjoy trying. Yeah. Well,

824
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: and you know, on the on the note of hunting

825
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: close to home, you know, the benefit there is you

826
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: can get your boots on the ground and look at

827
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: every inch of the cover that you might want to hunt,

828
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna you know, this is a different

829
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: world when you're traveling to go have one of these

830
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: little adventures. But if you're just looking for a place

831
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: close to home, I mean, you have the benefit of

832
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: if you want to walk enough miles, you can really

833
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: look over the ground and decide what you're gonna hunt,

834
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: what you're not and that that's a big deal if

835
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: especially right now, you know, we're sitting here right before

836
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: spring green up in this perfect time where the woods

837
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: just reveals all of last fall secrets and it's so

838
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: so nice to go out and wander around and figure

839
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: out what you're gonna do next year. Right now. Yeah,

840
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that public land scouting. What does

841
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: your scouting process look like? Um, if I'm close to home,

842
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm walking every inch I can, because

843
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: that's what I try to do. And you know, I'm

844
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: looking for the typical winter scouting stuff, of course, you know,

845
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: the old scrapes and rubs, rubs mostly I really like rubs, um.

846
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: But most of the time I'm halfway looking for hunter sign.

847
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: If I go into a property and I see, you know,

848
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: the trees are trimmed up or their stands left there,

849
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: there's litter all over or something, and I just can't

850
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: get away from the the obvious sign of hunters, I'm

851
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: probably gonna write that off and look for somewhere else.

852
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: Um when I travel out of state, I'm starting to

853
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: do this more, where I'll go on a turkey hunt

854
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: somewhere and scout out new properties while in turkey hunting.

855
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, in on April one, I'm heading

856
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: out to South Dakota to turkey hunt some walk in

857
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: areas that I hunted last fall, and i just want

858
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: to check out some more ground. And then a little

859
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: later I'm going down to Missouri, Northern Missouri to hunt

860
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: public land for turkeys, and I'm gonna scout that out

861
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: for deer. Two and that's a good way to get

862
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: familiar with the area without having the pressure of killing

863
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: a big buck um. But if you can't do that,

864
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: that's one of the most important things about this process.

865
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: If you if you know if you're gonna make a

866
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: go at it and decide you're gonna hunt public land,

867
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: especially if you want to do one of these out

868
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: of state trips with your bloodies, If you have any

869
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: way to build in a day or two or three

870
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: to scout, just glass, just walk and figure out if

871
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: you're your pre hunt research was correct. That is so

872
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: valuable compared to showing up and having to hunt from

873
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: day one. And I think one of the reasons that

874
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: I've had quite a bit of success public land hunting

875
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: is because before I had kids, I used to just

876
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: leave for like four days, five days ahead of the

877
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: hunt and just tell my wife I'll be home when

878
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to be home, and I would scout NonStop

879
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: for four days before I started hunting. And you got

880
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: to I got to glass all those river bottoms and

881
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: walk them all and figure out if that you're we're

882
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: moving there or not. And that information without having the

883
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: pressure carrying your boat is just so valuable. When you

884
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: start hunting, you just you just solidify all your beliefs

885
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: or you know, if what you thought was gonna be

886
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: awesome turns out to be bunk, you've got time to

887
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: move on to the next one and figure it out.

888
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: And scouting, scouting that way is is just ridiculously valuable.

889
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: It's more valuable than hunting in a lot of situations.

890
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: And sorry, Dan, we're gonna say something. Well, I just

891
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: had a question in regards to maybe different states and

892
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: different terrain. Um, you know there, you know, obviously there's

893
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: places where your main method is going to be a

894
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: tree stand and then maybe uh mate, your main method

895
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: maybe a ground blind or spotting stock. Is there is

896
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: there a differentiation between how you scout based on how

897
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: you're going to hunt? Um? No, well I shouldn't say that.

898
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: I kind of know going into it. Um, if if

899
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing the tree standing or spotting stock,

900
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: or maybe I'm gonna have to build a natural ground

901
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: blind or something, So I I guess I will say, yeah,

902
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I might watch different areas. If I think I'm gonna

903
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: go out and hunt for every white tail somewhere, I

904
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: may pick a peak that I can see for five

905
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: miles in every direction to watch. Um, if i think

906
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tree stand hunt, a creek bottom or a

907
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: river bottom, I may sit on the same point in

908
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: glass it for three days in a row to watch

909
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: and see exactly where they like to walk. So yeah,

910
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I do look at it differently.

911
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: But for me, even though I love the spot in stock,

912
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: I grew up as an ambush hunter, you know. I

913
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: grew up hunting smaller properties and in the Midwest, And

914
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: so even though I loved the spot stock, I'm just

915
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: not very good at it. I blow a lot of

916
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: stocks when I go. I have fun, but I'm just

917
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: not that good at it because it's not in my wheelhouse.

918
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: So most of the time when I go out, my

919
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: plan is just to hang stands or use blinds and

920
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: wait them out because that's just what I'm better at. Um.

921
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: So I guess it just depends on where I'm going.

922
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: So so continuing on that through that process, then a

923
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: little bit, let's say you we we've you know, picked

924
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: a property, you've maybe maybe you went through in the spring,

925
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: you did a little bit scouting when you went turkey hunting.

926
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: Now it's the season the season's opened. You you mentioned

927
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: that lots of times you like to get there a

928
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: little bit before your actual hunt happens. So is that

929
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: the case even if you're showing up for a rut hunt,

930
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: So you arrive and you could hunt, but you just

931
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: actively choose not to and you just choose a scout

932
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Is that what you're saying

933
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: or are you saying this is like an early season

934
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: you show up before the season opens. Both. So if

935
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I show up and it's during the season, I'll hunt,

936
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll do kind of what

937
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: I call an observation stand where I may not move

938
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: right in on where I think it's gonna be just popping,

939
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: and I'll watch and see. Um. You know, obviously, if

940
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I go into early season hunt and I can show

941
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: up before the season, that's the easiest way to do this.

942
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: But I really like spending some time observing and if

943
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: I see something going on during the season, and if

944
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: I show up in a rut hunt in Nebraska, if

945
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: I see these deer running through a certain patch of

946
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: theaters or something, I'll move there as soon as I

947
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: possibly can. So it's kind of kind of do a

948
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: little bit of both. But one thing I should say

949
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: about this is so much of the the white tail

950
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: hunting is focused around the rut, and we all love

951
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: the rut. But I grew up in Minnesota. I live

952
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and our gun season opened the first weekend

953
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: in November every single year, so I never had the

954
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: rut to count on, so it wasn't It's not as

955
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: big of a deal to me. And so I've always

956
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: hunted September and October heavily because that's when our best

957
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: chances because once it gets to November, we got five

958
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: done on ourselft there. And so I do go hunt

959
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: the rut every single year, um, somewhere on public land.

960
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely not afraid to hunt early season stuff

961
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: and hunt October on public land. Um. I think, hey,

962
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: I might get way off on a tangent here, but

963
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: I really think that we give way too much credit

964
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: to hot weather, to the wall, to to you know,

965
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: win as cutting down deer movement. And I go hunt

966
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: these places, you know, early season in North Dakota, Johanna,

967
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: it will be ninety degrees and the year will be

968
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: moving all over. Um, it just just go hunt them

969
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: when you can go scout them when you can. Don't

970
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: don't rely necessarily on the rut now, and I'll tell

971
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: you something on that. Um, probably my least favorite time

972
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: to go hunt public land is like November seven through twelve,

973
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: which is like my favorite time to hunt overall in

974
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: some ways because everybody is out. If you're out there

975
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: on October fift and it's kind of hot and windy,

976
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: nobody's hunting. Everybody's waiting for the rut. But when you

977
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: get out there on November seven and it's you know,

978
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: twenty two degrees in the morning and the conditions are perfect,

979
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like everybody and their brother is out there rattling

980
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: and grunning and hanging stands, and it's just a different

981
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: world out there. So the rules that apply to public

982
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: land for maybe the best times for me to hunt,

983
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe those on public land. Yeah, that's

984
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. So if you had to pick,

985
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: let's say you didn't work the job you do and

986
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: you can only have one week vacation to hunt one

987
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: of these public land spots. Maybe let's say for an

988
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: out of state public land trip, what week would you

989
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: pick during the hunting season The very first week I

990
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: could poss we go the earliest I could possibly go.

991
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: I In fact, I was talking to the buddy of

992
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: mine that I'm going to South Dakota with next year

993
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: in South Dakota's openers a little bit later at the

994
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: end of September. But I hope it's a hundred degrees

995
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: when we go out there, because I'm gonna sit on

996
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: ponds and I don't want anybody else out there, you

997
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: know I would. I love hunting crappy conditions. I love

998
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: it when it's really hot, really windy, and people will

999
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: stay home. Makes a lot of sense, especially in that

1000
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: public land situation where one of your biggest factors is

1001
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: simply avoiding hunting pressure. So if if you're out there

1002
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: when nobody else is, you're right there, You've you've checked

1003
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: off the first point in your list, it's everything. And

1004
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, people they have a hard time believe in

1005
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: that because we've been so ingrained to believe that windy

1006
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: conditions shut them down or hot weather shuts them down.

1007
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: And that's one of the benefits of doing what we do.

1008
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't really get to take

1009
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: days off if I have, if I have the opportunity

1010
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: to hunt. I gotta go. And what you learn about

1011
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: that is hunt all these conditions that aren't supposed to

1012
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: be any good, and we give them way too much

1013
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: credit for knocking down deer movement. You know, I always

1014
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: look at it, like, you know, if if it's warm

1015
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: during the rut, everybody says the running actually just doesn't happen,

1016
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: it's just not going on. And you know, I know

1017
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: there's some suppressed movement, but those fonds are born the

1018
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: same time every year, you know, next spring, and I'm

1019
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: always sitting here going I don't believe all of that

1020
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: chasing and breeding activity happened at night. Maybe you just

1021
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: missed it. Maybe it was in a lower bottom that

1022
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: was a little cooler or something. But I really think

1023
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: we love excuses to not hunt, and we use them way, way,

1024
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: way too much. I think there's there's definitely some truth

1025
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: to that. I think it's I think and and this

1026
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: is my personal philosophy for whatever that's worth. I think,

1027
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, when you have a piece of private land

1028
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: maybe where you can control what's happening on it, and

1029
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: you can be a lot more selective about you know,

1030
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: how hunting pressure is applied to that deer heard. I

1031
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: think in those types of cases, it makes a lot

1032
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: of sense in my opinion to be careful about when

1033
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: you hunt, because you know, if you're an hunting they're

1034
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: not getting pressured and so you can kind of dictate.

1035
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: But on a public land hunting situation where you have

1036
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: no control, I think then you know you need to

1037
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: take advantage of the opposite of what most people would say,

1038
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: because to your point, um, it's it's kind of totally

1039
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: different situations. So I think that makes makes a lot

1040
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: of sense. Um, So let's let's say the hunting season

1041
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: just started, or you you've arrived at your trip. Now,

1042
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: can you kind of walk us through what your process

1043
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: looks like. You mentioned that you typically like to start

1044
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: with an observation stand but are you you know, I'm

1045
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: wondering about the actual like nuts and boltsic are you

1046
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: the night you get there, are you sitting down and

1047
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: looking at your maps really hard? Or do you already

1048
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: know exactly where you're want to go in on the

1049
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: first day or what what are you doing that first night?

1050
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: And then from there? Most of my map work is

1051
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: is gone long before I get there. Um, you know,

1052
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: it just depends if I go like like Oklahoma, for example,

1053
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: last year we hunted the Blackheadle National grass Land and

1054
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: it's think thirty one acres, but it's all busted up

1055
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: into different little chunks, and so my plan going into

1056
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: that changed a lot because of the hunting pressure. So

1057
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: if there was one truck parked at a place that

1058
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to go into, I kind of wrote it up.

1059
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: So I was kind of going on the fly. They're

1060
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: looking for new places didn't have people in. So sometimes

1061
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: when I get there, I'll be pouring over my maps

1062
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: because there's people there. But if I've done my homework

1063
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: and found a place where there just aren't very many hunters,

1064
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need maps a whole lot after

1065
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: I've been there. I should have done enough research ahead

1066
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: of time to kind of have an idea where to go,

1067
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: and for me all that the reason you do that

1068
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: is so you can hit the ground running. Um. I

1069
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: use a lot of really lightweight portable stands and sticks

1070
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: and have a pretty good system for just getting out

1071
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: and going and hanging a stand right away and getting

1072
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: set up and and hunting from the minute you get there.

1073
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: Because like I said, you know, a lot of my

1074
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: hunts are four or five days and you're traveling to

1075
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: a new state to try to kill a public land beer.

1076
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't really have a luxury of you know, waste

1077
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: in any time. And if I'm doing an observation stands

1078
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: still hunting. Um, you know, so you might see a

1079
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: deer you could call in or something. But I like

1080
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: to I like to get there and go. That's why.

1081
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: That's why to me, at least, the pre hunt research

1082
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: is just so important. Yeah, can you tell us about

1083
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: your running guns, set up, your your stand sticks and everything.

1084
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: What specifically are you using and do you have any

1085
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: tips or you know, things that you always do now

1086
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: that you're so experienced with it that kind of help

1087
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: you get up in the tree quietly and ready to go. Yeah,

1088
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, so I use several different kinds of stands

1089
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: and sticks, but generally speaking, what I do is I

1090
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: have a I have a real lightweight Honor safety system

1091
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: harnesses two pounds. I carry a lifeline with me. I

1092
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: carry a Holy Man extendable saw, and I carry a

1093
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: stand that I like. I like stands that are in

1094
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: like the eight to twelve pound range. Just simple hang on,

1095
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: nothing fancy, no, no big platforms or anything. And then

1096
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: just a good a set of sticks that I can

1097
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: marry together with bungee cords so I can kind of

1098
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: carry my entire setup. Will depending on you know, what

1099
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: else I bring with me. Um. You know, I'm looking

1100
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: at maybe like twenty two pounds total, maybe a little

1101
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: more if it's later and I'm carrying extra clothes or whatever. Um,

1102
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: But I always pick stuff that I'm really comfortable with

1103
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: so I can get in there and hang a stand

1104
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: as quietly as possible. In some places you can use

1105
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: screw in steps, not very often on public land. And then,

1106
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 1: and that's another thing I should bring up. You always

1107
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: got to know the regulations because a lot of places

1108
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: you can't even use a screw in bow holder. So

1109
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: you gotta be a little careful a though where you're

1110
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: hunting and what the specific regulations are. But so because

1111
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: of that, for me, most of the time it's climbing

1112
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: sticks in a stand. But just have your system for me. Um,

1113
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: when I go out, you know, I know exactly where

1114
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: my release is gonna be, my toe rope, where everything is,

1115
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: and so you don't run into those little things where

1116
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: you forgot this or you forgot that. When you get

1117
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: to your tree, you can get up it and and

1118
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: get in as quietly as possible. And it's not the

1119
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: most comfortable set up, you know, it felt like you're

1120
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: carrying a big ladder stand in there that you can

1121
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: stretch out your legs and relax and take a snooze

1122
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: or something. But it's a really good portable stand that

1123
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: you won't struggle to set up. Um, that's really important

1124
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: to me. You mentioned you bring a pulse out with you.

1125
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: What's your kind of thought process on trimming lanes in

1126
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: these types of hunts, in these types of situations, are

1127
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: you a minimalist or do you clear as much as

1128
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: you can? Or what do you think about that given

1129
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: the fact your turning lanes during your hunt? Well, you know,

1130
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: it's that depends to on where you're at. Some places

1131
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: you can't unless it's dead. But I'm a I'm a minimalist,

1132
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: especially when I'm when I'm walking in and hunting. You know,

1133
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: some of my private places all cut good shooting lanes.

1134
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Um because I can do it right now and it

1135
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: doesn't affect anything later. But you know, it is the

1136
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: more stuff he touches, the more stuff you're knocked down. Um,

1137
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, the greater your chance of getting busted. So

1138
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: I try to keep it, you know, really really simple

1139
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and called as little as possible. But you know, the

1140
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed depending on which states you go to. Um,

1141
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: you know where I live and where I hunt in

1142
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and Minnesota, you know, those deer look up a lot.

1143
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: We've been hunting out of trees a long time. But

1144
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: some of these states I go to that have just

1145
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: a lot less pressure. I don't have to be nearly

1146
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: as careful about, um, you know, trying to hide my

1147
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: silhouette in the trees or you know, just getting busted

1148
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: as much because those deer just darn's used to looking up.

1149
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: So there's sort of a benefit to that too. When

1150
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: you go to some of those flyover states, the deer

1151
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: easier to hunt. Yeah, I've definitely seen that compared to

1152
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: compared to my home here in Michigan. When I've gone

1153
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: and hunted some spots in Iowa, they react very very

1154
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: differently to to to huge to human pressure presence, and

1155
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: and you can get away with a lot more. Um. Now,

1156
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: question about your stand setups. So you talk. You mentioned

1157
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: you're using this horrible setup. You're going in there hanging

1158
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: and hunting. Are you are you usually working with just

1159
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 1: one stand and you go and hang it hunted, pull

1160
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: it down if you're going to move the next day,

1161
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: hang it hunted, or do you come with four or

1162
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: five stands or something, and over the course of your

1163
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: four or five days you're hanging different sets, leaving them

1164
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: or showing up in the morning and hanging something for

1165
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: the next day, or things like that always bring you know,

1166
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: usually probably at least four some states you can leave

1167
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: them up overnight. Some states you can't, and so the

1168
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: states you can, it's a pain in the butt, but

1169
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: you just have to live by it. So a lot

1170
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: of times I'll pull a stand, stash it right at

1171
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: the base of the tree, and put it back up

1172
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: the next morning. Um, some states you can leave them up,

1173
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: and so that that The one thing about this is,

1174
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: especially if you go to a state where you can

1175
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: leave them up, if you go in the first day

1176
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: you get there and kind of speed scout a few

1177
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: of those areas and just get some of your options

1178
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: set up, some of your stand set up. You'll hunt

1179
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: so much better because you can play the win better

1180
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: and everything. And one of those things I've seen even

1181
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: with some of my buddies that I travel with. Is

1182
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: there kind of k g about going in and hanging

1183
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: stands or getting set up or there. You know, second

1184
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: guests themselves a lot, and when you do that, you

1185
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: have fewer options. And when you have fewer options, you

1186
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: just don't hunt as well. So it's just easier to

1187
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: have easy to set up stands, go in, hang you know,

1188
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe three of them in good spots, and then have

1189
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: that one float or you can carry with you if

1190
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: if something cool comes up and you need to sit

1191
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and just give yourself some options, because you know,

1192
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: we take it for granted when you hunt. You know,

1193
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: let's say your home farm, you might have twenty stands up,

1194
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: so no matter what the wind is doing, you've got

1195
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: a place to sit. Now you go something like this,

1196
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: you might have two or three stands in a river

1197
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: bottom and the wind stinks for every one of them,

1198
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: and then you either got to hang a new one

1199
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: or go build a natural blind or just not harn't

1200
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: And so you just gotta try to give yourself as

1201
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: many options as possible that way. Yeah, what are you

1202
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: thinking about this, Dan? Yeah? I mean it's uh it's

1203
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: good information. I've only been out of state one time,

1204
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: and it was as far as hunting deer as concerned,

1205
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: hunting white tails, and there was no trees. I mean,

1206
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: it's it was in the least populated county in the

1207
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: United States in Nebraska, and it was in the southern

1208
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: part of the Sandhills. So my, my, the way, I mean,

1209
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was really doing. So I

1210
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: got to the highest point and I pulled out them

1211
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: and sat down and pulled out the binoculars. And that's

1212
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: how I would That's where I would spend a lot

1213
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: of my time. And if I didn't see anything, off

1214
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: to the next little dune that the highest point, you know,

1215
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: half mile away, and then start all over again. So

1216
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: so I guess you know, like you mentioned, Dan, you're

1217
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: sitting somewhere seeing what you can see and then adjusting

1218
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: to that, to to that kind of point. Tony, when

1219
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: you get in there, Okay, you've gone in that first day,

1220
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: maybe you've set a handful of different stands up. How

1221
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: how do you think about you know, giving a spot

1222
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: time for says, reacting to what you see and moving

1223
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: So if that first night you hunt and you see

1224
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: a good buck. Are you moving immediately to right where

1225
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: you saw him? You are? Ye? Oh yeah? And unless

1226
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: unless I have faith that you know somebody's coming by

1227
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: the stand I'm in, I'm moving. I mean, I think

1228
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 1: you dear are pretty predictable. They like doing the same

1229
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: things over and over again. And the one thing is

1230
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: if I see, even if I don't see a big

1231
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: buck doing something, if I'm sitting there where I think

1232
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, and I watch all the doors

1233
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: walk through a different spot or the little box or something,

1234
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: I'll move right on top of them. Um. And you

1235
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: know it's especially true if I see a good one

1236
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: do something. I don't like to wait around. I'm not

1237
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: a passive bow hunter. I like to get in on

1238
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: them and and capitalize on what I see right now.

1239
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: How important is that aggression? I mean, you have to

1240
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: know when to make that move, and you have to

1241
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: know when to say, Okay, maybe I gotta wait for

1242
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: this wind to shift. Are you Are you connected digitally

1243
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: to weather patterns and stuff through your phone when you

1244
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: go out here to know when all that's happen happening

1245
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: and when to make your move. Yeah? And you know,

1246
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: like Dan said about the county and Nebraska with no trees.

1247
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if you run into something like that, you

1248
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: can still you can still make moves and do things.

1249
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: You're not just locked into doing tree stand. So if

1250
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: I see dear do something. If I if I'm sitting

1251
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: on a tree stand, I watch a big buckle through

1252
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: a patch of sumac or something that's you know, a

1253
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: hundred yards out in the middle of the open, there

1254
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: might be a way to get in on him, and

1255
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: it might not be move a tree stand, might be

1256
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: going to build a little natural ground blind, might be

1257
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, carry a feeding dough decoy in there's something

1258
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: that hide behind it. There's there's options out there. But

1259
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: I really think a lot of bull hunters are We're

1260
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of conditioned to be passive, and the industry, you know,

1261
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: really really thrives off of that by selling you know,

1262
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: scents and lures and calls and all kinds of stuff

1263
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: that promised to bring deer to you, not go to deer.

1264
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'd rather just figure out where

1265
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: deer like to walk, move right there and kill him.

1266
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't rely a lot on on calls and sensive

1267
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: lures and things like that. I like to figure out

1268
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: where do you like to go? And I like to

1269
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: get in there. And I think it's it's easier for

1270
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: people to sit there and say, well, I saw that

1271
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: buck walk to hundred yards away and tried to rattle

1272
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: him in Well, if he does that three times, you

1273
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: mightly want to get over there, you know. Or even

1274
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: if he does it once, if a big buck walks

1275
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: through somewhere, especially if it's just if he's not pressured,

1276
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: he's just doing his thing king of the forest walking through,

1277
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: that deer will probably do it again, or somebody else

1278
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good deer will do it. Get

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01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: on it, you know. I don't I don't like I

1280
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: don't like being passive that way and worrying about bumping

1281
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: him or something like that. I'd just like to get

1282
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: in there and try to get him. Yeah, you make

1283
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: a good point too, if if you see a mature

1284
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: buck traveling through a certain area, there's a reason why

1285
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: he's doing that, why he feels comfortable there, And whether

1286
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: or not that same deer does it again, there's likely

1287
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: other bucks that would that know that's a safe place

1288
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: to travel or know that there's a reason to move

1289
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: through there. So it does make a less sense to

1290
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: to get in there. Now Here's here's my next question, though,

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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: When do you like to make that move? And I

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: mean specifically, I mean are you moving in the after

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01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: dark at night? So let's say you hunt in the

1294
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: evening and you move your stand after dark then or

1295
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: do you like to come in super early the next

1296
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: morning and hang your stand before daylight or do you

1297
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: like to wait until the middle of the day to

1298
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: move your stands? When do you do that restand shifting?

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01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: When I can so A lot of times, you know,

1300
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: the easiest to do it is if you're out there

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: in the morning and you see something, because then after

1302
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: everything settles down, you can slip over there, have good

1303
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: daylight and just get it done. But a lot of

1304
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: times at night I'll see something and I'll glass and

1305
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: mark a tree or a spot, and when it gets dark,

1306
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: I'll slip over there and and rehan my stand or

1307
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: build that natural blind or something. Or sometimes you just

1308
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: gotta wait. You don't want to fumble around, and so

1309
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: just come in the next day when it's daylight and

1310
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: get it done. It just it just depends on the circumstances.

1311
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I've tried all three and uh, you know,

1312
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: to your point, it can be frustrating to be stumbling

1313
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: around in the dark trying to hang a stand, And

1314
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: there's definitely benefits to it. I mean, if you can

1315
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: get it done, then um. But at the same time,

1316
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: sometimes you do that and then you get in there

1317
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: the next day during daylight and you see there's seven

1318
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: lanes that you thought were to be clear and instead

1319
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: of all covered up your branches or something like that.

1320
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, now let's say you're I'm continuing down to

1321
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: this hypothetical hunt. You're now you're hunting, You've hung some stands,

1322
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: you get up there, you've seen the much a buck,

1323
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe you've made a move. What happens when other hunters

1324
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: screw up your hunt in some way? You're out there hunting,

1325
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: you think you're on it, and then all of a

1326
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: sudden another guy comes in. How do you react to that? Uh,

1327
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, restart, go somewhere else. It happens all the

1328
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: time time. I mean, I don't ever go on a

1329
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: hunt like this without having somebody come in on me.

1330
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: At some point. It seems like or you know, just

1331
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: stupid stuff like just as an example, last year in

1332
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma had a spot that was about as far away

1333
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: as you could go on any of these public land chunks,

1334
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: and there was a really cool pond with a kind

1335
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: of a wooded draw leading to it, and it was

1336
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: a good spot. I went in there and hunger stand

1337
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: the first day I got there, and uh, I went

1338
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: to go back in there like three days later, and

1339
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: there was some idiot driving is cheap around on this

1340
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: closed road, just tearing it up, mudded it up, and

1341
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was over because you just

1342
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And stuff like that happens.

1343
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: You know, people will move in on you. Um it

1344
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: just it just is what it is. And so that's

1345
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: another reason why you want to have your options. And

1346
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about that. So if I've got my

1347
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: heart set on, you know, this river crossing stand, I

1348
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: may go there and there might be two trucks parked

1349
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: there in fresh track leading right in there. And so

1350
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: then if you don't get too frustrated and you've got

1351
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: to back up, you can get there and and not

1352
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: lose your hunting time. But it's a constant struggle when

1353
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: you're on public land, especially if you get around the

1354
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: rud or opening week where just more people are out,

1355
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: You're just going to run into that. Uh, And it's

1356
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's part of the process. But like

1357
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: you said, I run into that on private land all

1358
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: the time on some of my farms. So it's just

1359
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: it's just hunting. It seems like there's a lot of

1360
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: bow unders out there now. Yeah, so true. Do you

1361
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: what happens in that case? I mean, do you if

1362
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: if a hunter comes in, let's say, like you said,

1363
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: and we've we've had it happened many times myself and

1364
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: Dan too. If if that happens, do you immediately say, okay,

1365
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: I need to I need to scrap this spot entirely,

1366
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: or are you willing to give it one more day

1367
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: and see maybe this is a one time thing. They

1368
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,959
Speaker 1: came through, they walked through the area once and maybe

1369
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: the next day though, you know, maybe they won't be

1370
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: there and a big buck comes through. Do you give

1371
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: it a little time or do you say, right, there

1372
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: been one human invasion, I'm out, I'm moving on to

1373
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: the next place. It depends, It depends how it happens. Um.

1374
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: Just as an example, last year, when I went out

1375
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: to South Dakota, UM, I found a spot that was

1376
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: this walk in area had a cutcorn field, it had

1377
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: it just a phenomenal cedar choked draw that looked like

1378
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: a great betting area. And so I went in there

1379
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: hoping for a gimming you know the field edge buck.

1380
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there and you know, hour and

1381
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: a half before dark, two bow hunters came walking through

1382
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: carrying a full body decoy, just banging it on everything.

1383
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: And I had backup spots that I couldn't get to

1384
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 1: in time, but I had one area that I didn't.

1385
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: I hung a stand, but I didn't convince myself to

1386
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: go sit yet. And when they came walking through, I said, okay,

1387
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: I got two days left. I'm gonna go sit that

1388
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: pond stand that I've been avoiding because I knew it

1389
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: was probably not going to be I was probably not

1390
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of deer down there, but it

1391
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: was probably the right set up to just ride it

1392
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: out because I didn't think anybody would go in there.

1393
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: So when those guys came through and mean, I said, okay,

1394
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: two days left, I'm going you know, sunrise the sunset

1395
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: on that pond stand, just because I thought it's good

1396
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: enough and people won't be there and I went in

1397
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: there and fat and kill the buck. You know. I mean,

1398
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: it's just you. We talk about a lot of different

1399
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: things with bow hunting, but every one of us has

1400
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: that buddy that's like gets really down really quick. You know,

1401
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: he's not a he's not a zen master at all.

1402
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if your attitude starts to tank

1403
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: with running into people, you're gonna hunt like you've never

1404
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: done it in your life, and it's gonna get worse.

1405
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: And so you just got to learn to accept that

1406
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: and move on quickly because people are going to screw

1407
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: up your hunts and you know somewhere along the line

1408
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna bumble into some dude set up too. You

1409
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be that guy. So it just happens. Yeah,

1410
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that's probably like you said, that's that's

1411
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: got to be one of the very most important things

1412
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: when you're hunting this type of situation is just going

1413
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: into with the right attitude and knowing that you're gonna

1414
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: have to adjust and make the best of it, because,

1415
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: like you said, if you know, if your mindset is gone,

1416
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: if you lose confidence and lose your focus, you know

1417
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: you're your your odds success are are really dramatically plummeting.

1418
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: Just based on that becomes a self flfilling prophecy. Oh

1419
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: big dining. Everybody's been in deer camp with somebody whose

1420
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: attitude stinks, and hey, they're no fun to be around

1421
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: and be they don't kill anything because they're just not

1422
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: hunting like they should. And I've I've got a couple

1423
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: of buddies I traveled with a lot. One of them

1424
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: really struggles with that. And I didn't tell him this,

1425
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: but I wrote an article for North American White Tail

1426
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: about him versus some of my other buddies and their attitudes.

1427
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: And I didn't think he'd see it, but he did.

1428
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: But I wrote about how his attitudes socks and he

1429
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: doesn't kill anything because he gets bummed so quickly. If

1430
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: he goes out on day one and missus a deer,

1431
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: bumps a deer, he's done for the entire trip. And

1432
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: I wrote about that, I've got other buddies who just

1433
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: stay positive and believe they're going to kill stuff, and

1434
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: they kill a lot more stuff. And after he read that,

1435
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: I was like, well, dude, it's true. I mean you can.

1436
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: You've got to stay more positive. And that year we

1437
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: went out to two different states and he killed his

1438
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: first two lot of state creditors after trying for like

1439
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: six years. And I mean, part of it's just because

1440
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: the haunts worked out that way, but part of it

1441
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: was because he decided to just stay more positive. And

1442
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: I know it sounds like kind of hippie bs to

1443
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: be talking about, you know, you know, positive vibes and

1444
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: all this stuff, but man, if you don't, if you don't,

1445
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, keep a good at about you over this stuff,

1446
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna not do very well out there in the

1447
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: deer woods. Yeah, I can't. I can't agree with you more.

1448
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: And I think that applies even to private land hunters too.

1449
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean regardless, I think attitude and in your mindset

1450
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,879
Speaker 1: and all that it makes such a huge, huge difference

1451
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: matter where you hunt. If your mind's in the game,

1452
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: you've got a much much better chance, because that's what

1453
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: this really is. It's a mind game. It's it's a

1454
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: it's a game of chess. And if you aren't there emotionally, mentally,

1455
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: and physically, you're not gonna be able to outwit a

1456
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: mature buck, especially on public in so absolutely, and you

1457
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: know you won't have as much fun either, And this

1458
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: is supposed to be fun. And you know, when you

1459
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: go out there and you're enjoying it, you do a

1460
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: better job of hunting. You just do. Yeah. I have

1461
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: one question, one last question for you, and that is

1462
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: how often do you play the position of another hunter

1463
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: into your strategy as far as where you're going to

1464
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: be hunting? Uh, as far as if I know somebody's

1465
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting somewhere and I hunt somewhere else because

1466
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: of that. Well, let's say you you there's a buck

1467
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: and you see him and you're like, Okay, I go,

1468
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: I want to kill this this deer. I know where

1469
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: he's coming in, but I also know where another hunter

1470
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: is going to be at. Are you ever trying to

1471
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: flank another hunter's position to try to gain access to

1472
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: the same area or hunt the same deer based off

1473
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: another hunter's position. No? Um, I I really try to

1474
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: away from people. UM. I don't like hunting around other hunters. Um.

1475
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: The only time that I've really done something like that

1476
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: was this is kind of a long story, but a

1477
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago in North Dakota, UM out in

1478
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: public land there, I killed a hundred fifty in velvet

1479
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: ten pointer. In the first day of the season, Beautiful

1480
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: buck had him in camp and had a guy walk

1481
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: into camp and look at that buck, see it, you know,

1482
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: And he ended up righting his four wheeler down the

1483
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: river and saw my stand. I left it up for

1484
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: my buddies. And the next year I drove out there

1485
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: and U went to go that river bottom and there

1486
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: was a brand new stand in my tree that I

1487
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: had set up in the year before, and I've never

1488
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: seen anybody in there in like five years of hunting.

1489
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: The fresh branches trimmed underneath, and I thought, man, that's

1490
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: got to be that guy. But I didn't know for

1491
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: sure because there wasn't anybody else in camp at that time,

1492
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: and so I just had to find a way to

1493
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: get to the deer before they got out there. And

1494
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: I ended up finding some white tails kind of living

1495
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: in Muly country and got ahead of them long before

1496
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: they crossed the river. They went through this patch of

1497
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: cotton woods. I ended up killing a velvet buck opening

1498
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: day that year, and as I was taking pictures the

1499
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: following morning of that buck after getting him out, I

1500
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: saw that guy drive in and go down and set

1501
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: up his camp, and so in a way, I kind

1502
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: of did get ahead of him and cut those gear

1503
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: off before they got to him. But I kind of

1504
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: feel like he deserved it because he came in and

1505
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: took my santry, you know what I mean. And so,

1506
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: but no, most of the time, I just if if

1507
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: somebody's in an area, I try to stay out, and

1508
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you can't. I mean, I've got a

1509
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: spot in Nebraska. Um that's so good, but it's not

1510
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: very big, and during the rut it is just overrun

1511
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: with people. So you just accept the fact that you're

1512
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: probably gonna be around other people. But it doesn't really matter.

1513
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: It's really really good. Uh. But I don't ever intentionally

1514
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: go in and try to be close to somebody. I

1515
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: would rather I give up on a lot of spots

1516
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: to stay away from people. Do you have a distance?

1517
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: Do you have like a a usual kind of what's

1518
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: the word? I don't know. How far away do you

1519
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: need to be from another person for you to feel

1520
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 1: like you are quote unquote away enough to to possibly

1521
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: see the type of deer? Is it? Is it four

1522
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards? Is it a hundred yards? Is it half

1523
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: a mile? What's that kind of zone? Clearance you need.

1524
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: It depends where you're at. But we my buddies and

1525
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: I have a one mile rule, so like when we

1526
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: growse on and we have a hundred yard rule where

1527
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: we get at least a hundred yards off the four

1528
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: wheeler trails so we can find grouse that aren't blasted

1529
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: from every hunter around in a g V. When I

1530
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: deer hunt, I like to get a mile away from

1531
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: the access. So if I can go one mile in,

1532
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: I can leave a lot of the competition behind. And

1533
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: it only gets better if you have to cross a

1534
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: river or climb a hill to get that all away. Um,

1535
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: if you can do that, then you can leave a

1536
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: lot of people behind. And I don't have a specific

1537
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: rule for how far away I want to be from somebody, um,

1538
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: somebody else that might be in a stand. You know,

1539
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: far is a good answer, because a lot of times

1540
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: I've sat there and I've listened to guys rattle their

1541
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: heads off or something, and I'm just like, just shut up.

1542
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: But that's just part of the process, you know. So

1543
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: I'd rather just be away from the crowds in any

1544
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: way possible. And my entire strategy evolves just that. Just

1545
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: either hunting when they're not there or hunting far enough

1546
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: away where they're not going to go most of the time. Yeah, yeah,

1547
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: makes sense. Here's something we've you know, we kind of

1548
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: haven't talked about this at all. I'm curious if it's

1549
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: part of your strategy on these public land hunts. It's

1550
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: such a huge part for so many other people's hunting

1551
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: strategies and private land and other places, and that's trail cameras.

1552
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: The trail cameras factor into your hunts at all during

1553
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: these public lan hunts. No, So I have a love

1554
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: hate relationship with trail cameras. I love them. They're like

1555
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: they're they're so addictive. It's just it's stupid. But I've

1556
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: got a hugged Wisconsin, a lot on private land in Wisconsin,

1557
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: and just as an example, I'm really working on a

1558
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: couple of public land spots over there. I'm telling everybody

1559
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: that will listen, I'm gonna kill a big buck in

1560
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: public land in Wisconsin. So I forced myself to try

1561
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: to do it. But two years ago, I've I've been

1562
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: on a really good tear the last couple of years

1563
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: for philling tags, but Wisconsin, Northern Wisconsin has kicked my butt,

1564
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: and two years ago, I was running cameras over there

1565
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: because it's two hours. Where I hunted is about two

1566
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: hours and twenty minutes from my house, and so I

1567
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: can't just skip over there quick and scout, you know.

1568
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: When I go over there, it's a dedicated weekend. So

1569
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'll just rely on my trail cameras,

1570
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: and I had the I hunted during the rut, and

1571
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: I just had the worst time because I would check

1572
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: like five or six trail cameras every day, and I

1573
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: felt like I was chasing ghosts where I get a

1574
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: picture and I'd go sit there and it was just

1575
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: over and I didn't feel like I was hunting the

1576
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: way I should I had. I felt like I should

1577
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 1: have been walking and in looking for signing hanging stands,

1578
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: and what I was doing was waiting for a camera

1579
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: to give me the green light to kill one there,

1580
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: and it wasn't happening. And so I've really backed off

1581
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: the trail cameras on these public land hunts to the

1582
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: point where I don't bring one on most of them

1583
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: because then I rely on something that just it changes

1584
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: how I hunt in a way that I don't like now.

1585
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: When I'm at home, I love running trail cameras. I

1586
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: set a camera up yesterday on a little food plot

1587
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: here in Minnesota, just hoping to catch some pictures of

1588
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,480
Speaker 1: some turkeys and random deer or whatever. I'm not against them,

1589
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: but when I'm trying to figure out right now what

1590
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: the deer doing, um, it's almost like trail cameras set

1591
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: me back a little bit. And I think, you know,

1592
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: this probably sounds really weird, but I kind of feel

1593
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,919
Speaker 1: like we're using them way too much to supplement actual scouting,

1594
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: and not to mean that they're not, because they can

1595
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: be so valuable in the right situation, but they aren't.

1596
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: They need to answer to all of our problems, and

1597
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: we rely on them a lot. Yeah, to that point

1598
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned real scouting. We talked a little bit about

1599
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: scouting in the beginning, but we didn't really get into

1600
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: the actual things on the ground you're looking for. Do

1601
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: you pay any attention now I'm talking in season. I guess,

1602
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: well either one, I guess preseason or in season? Do

1603
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: you pay attention? Are you just looking for where's the traffic?

1604
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 1: You know, from a trail standpoint or river crossing standpoint

1605
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: or something that or do you pay attention to rutting

1606
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: sign like rubs, scrapes, etcetera. Uh, you know, big tracks,

1607
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: beaten trails, I love them. Um, you just you can't

1608
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: take a track, you know what I mean. If it's

1609
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: a big track, it's a big deer. Um. Scrapes, you know.

1610
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: I can remember when I when I turned twelve, I

1611
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: started boat hunting, and scrapes were such a big deal.

1612
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: Then that's all my dad and his buddies talked about,

1613
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 1: and so I sat. I've sat over so many scrapes

1614
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: in my life, and so very rare really killed a

1615
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: buck on him. Um. In fact, I've probably only killed

1616
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe like two bucks because of scrapes. And so I

1617
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: totally kind of backed away from that. And I really

1618
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: really like rubs. I like rubs that show me where

1619
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: a staging area is. That's probably my favorite thing. Where

1620
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: there's kind of a cluster of rubs here and a

1621
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: cluster rubs there, and it's not just a straight rub line. Um.

1622
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: It looked for that a lot, especially as you get

1623
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: into October. But there is a time period kind of seems,

1624
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: at least around here, it seems to be like October

1625
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: tent through October twentieth kind of where I'm starting to

1626
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: like scrapes more. I killed a buck on public land

1627
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: here in the Cities a few years ago, UM by

1628
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: just observing, and I watched this buck that I hadn't

1629
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: seen since July. He came out in the middle of October,

1630
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: made a scrape. Another the light pointer, came out next

1631
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: to him, made a scrape, and they sparred. And then

1632
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: the next night I moved in over that scrape, thinking

1633
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: what do I gotta lose. It's middle October, it was

1634
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: hot and windy, and that buck came out and I

1635
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: killed him on that scrape. And so I started paying

1636
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: more attention to scrapes during that time period. Had some

1637
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: other kind of random positive encounters around them during that time.

1638
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: But I'm still there's still kind of a minor part

1639
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: of my my strategy. UM But I really like so

1640
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: there's another long way to answer for you. Tracks, trails

1641
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: and good rubs I like a lot. I love it,

1642
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: love those long answers. When you mentioned the staging areas

1643
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: that you identify by way of rubs, can you elaborate

1644
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: a little bit on what that looks like in what

1645
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: type of area you might find that? So yeah, absolutely.

1646
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: I think I probably should have mentioned this earlier, but

1647
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: I really think staging areas are probably the most valuable

1648
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of if you understand the staging areas and how

1649
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: to find them, if you hunt pressured land. They're so

1650
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: important because we all know, you know, you get out

1651
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: there on opening weekend and everybody's sitting there field edges

1652
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: hoping for that kidney and they want to see a

1653
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: long ways. But those bucks and the does, and every

1654
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: year out there figures out pretty quickly that you know,

1655
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: the hunting pressure is concentrated on those field edges. And

1656
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: so instead of going totally nocturnal like we like to

1657
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: think they do, a lot of them just start moving later,

1658
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: and they start finding these places in the cover where

1659
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: they can mill around, they can make a rub, they

1660
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: can you know, maybe eat the main corns, grab you

1661
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: brows a little bit, and not leave the cover. And

1662
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: so for me, if I don't kill a deer, you know,

1663
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 1: opening weekend or opening week I start immediately backing off

1664
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: and getting into the cover. And you can walk into

1665
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: these places and you know, it might be a hundred

1666
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: yards off, the food source might be two yards, but

1667
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: you'll suddenly start to see just random rubs, and you'll

1668
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: see a big pile of buck poop here and maybe

1669
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: a little scrape here, and you can just look around

1670
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: and it just looks like a place where a buck

1671
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,759
Speaker 1: killed time. And if it's in the cover, he probably

1672
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: did it in daylight and you might be able to

1673
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: kill him there right then. I really like those those

1674
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: types of areas for the timing of the season, when

1675
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: most people are kind of shutting down and going okay

1676
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: nominally for Halloween, you start getting into the lull a

1677
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: little bit. Those staging areas can be unbelievable. Yeah, it's

1678
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: a great that law words a bad word. It's a

1679
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: bad word. So do you do you believe in the

1680
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: low No, not to the extent most people do. Um.

1681
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: I think the law. I think the law exists to

1682
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: some extent. Maybe there is some suppressed movement. But I

1683
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, haven't grown up in Minnesota. I had to

1684
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: hunt October every year. I didn't have a choice, and

1685
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: I've killed an awful lot of bucks in the beginning

1686
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: in the middle of October, and I just I think

1687
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: we give it too much credit. Now. If I lived

1688
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: in a state like Iowa where I could hunt the

1689
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: rut all of the work. I'd probably be like, oh,

1690
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: the low stinks, I'm not hunting it. But here I

1691
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: don't have a choice. And so is it your best

1692
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: time to kill a buck? No? But is it as

1693
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: bad as we make it to be? I don't think So.

1694
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: What about what about mornings? I love mornings, So I mean,

1695
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: are you asking me maybe like early season mornings? Yeah,

1696
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: early season mornings. You know, let's say, because in some

1697
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: of your previous comments you mentioned, Hey, I'm gonna go

1698
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 1: out and hunt these states the very first week possible,

1699
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: and depending on who he asked, those are are the

1700
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: deer don't even move till dark, so why hunt, you know?

1701
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: And then you don't want to hunt mornings because by

1702
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the time you get in there, they're already on their

1703
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: way or back to their bed before the uh before sunrise.

1704
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: So um me, I'm a huge fan of hunting mornings myself. Mark,

1705
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: on the other hand, is not a huge fan of

1706
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: hounting mornings early season. Um I just was curious about

1707
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: what your approaches. I hunt every morning I can. Um

1708
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: this is another thing. So there's that always a never rule.

1709
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: So when you say that you're always do this or

1710
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: never do this, you're gonna be wrong. And I hear

1711
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: that constantly. People say, don't hunt mornings in the early season. Well,

1712
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: there's there's an infinite number of set ups out there

1713
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: and situations for bull hunters that that just beg to differ.

1714
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, in general, maybe it's not as good as evenings.

1715
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: We all know that. But nobody will sit there and

1716
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: tell me that every book on this farm is going

1717
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: to be in bed before first light and not moving

1718
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: through this wooded drawer or something at at first light.

1719
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that, And I go out and hunt

1720
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: enough where it just it just doesn't hold water. Now, again,

1721
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: if you're if you're really managing pressure and you want

1722
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: to make the most of every sit you want to

1723
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: be a careful around that. But I hunt mornings. You know,

1724
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: we we'll start in North Dakota on August thirty one

1725
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and I'll hunt mornings right on

1726
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: through until the end of the season. And I don't

1727
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,799
Speaker 1: kill as many books in mornings as they do in evenings,

1728
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: but I have a lot of encounters and I kill

1729
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: enough bucks to just I just don't buy into that

1730
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: that you can't find a situation where you can't get

1731
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: in there and hunt. Now, granted it, maybe you know

1732
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: on certain properties there are there are you know there

1733
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: isn't the possibility to get in and hunt good spots

1734
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: in the morning. I mean that exists to where you'll

1735
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: get busted. I've got places like that where you just

1736
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: can't risk it. But if you have enough places to hunter,

1737
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: you go out and find a big enough place to hunt,

1738
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: you can find a place to slip into in the

1739
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: morning and try to kill a big one. I think

1740
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: that's one of the most fun things about bow hunting.

1741
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: And if somebody sits here and says you can't do this,

1742
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: I want to try really hard to prove that you

1743
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: can um. And so I don't you know that's I

1744
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: like mornings a lot. I think you make a good

1745
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: point about you know, it's situational, right, Everything situational. There

1746
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: there's there's never going to be a hard set rule

1747
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to deer um and in you like

1748
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: a situation like you mentioned where if you have a

1749
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: large enough property where you can find that certain right

1750
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: spot and there's you know, less risk because you know that, yeah,

1751
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: there might be have a chance I might spook something

1752
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: even though I go in here but I've got lots

1753
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: of other options, or if you've got multiple different properties.

1754
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: But I think, on the other hand, at least in

1755
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, in a situation where if you're

1756
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: hunting one small property in a heavily pressured place, that

1757
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: might not be your best time to go in there

1758
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: and risk spooking deer and ruining your other hunts that

1759
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: might have higher odds. So I think it's it's something

1760
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: that all these things, I think a big takeaway from me,

1761
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: or it's a good reminder is that everything situational. Don't

1762
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: take something that so and so said as a given

1763
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,839
Speaker 1: rule for everything in your exact situation. And there's that situation.

1764
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: But but think about how these different things can apply

1765
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: to your circumstances. Figure out what fits given your situation,

1766
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: where you hunt, and all the other factors surrounding it. Yeah. Well,

1767
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: and you know end a point on that too, is

1768
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: to effectively haunt in the morning, especially in the early season,

1769
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work a lot harder than you

1770
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: do at night. So for me, when I think about

1771
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: just the random places I hunt, I most always have

1772
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: to walk farther and be more careful by far in

1773
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: the mornings to get into spots than I do in

1774
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: the evenings, you know. So it's it's just more work

1775
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: to hunt them the way you should. But it doesn't

1776
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 1: mean that you can't do it successfully. It just it

1777
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: just takes a lot more effort. Yeah. Yeah, So, so

1778
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: I want to kind of rewind back to something you

1779
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: talked about, like forty five minutes ago or something like that.

1780
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: You talked about how you typically like to go to

1781
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: the deer. You don't like to try to bring dear

1782
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: to you. As you mentioned, you don't particularly care for

1783
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: calls and sense and decoys and stuff like that, at

1784
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: least on public land. Is there ever time for those

1785
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: types of things in the public land situation? And if so,

1786
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: you know what, do you like a little more than others? So, yeah,

1787
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: I should clarify that. I mean I call in deer,

1788
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I do some of that stuff, but my strategy is

1789
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: to always get where the deer want to be. So

1790
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: I look at it this way. Uh. You know, if

1791
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: you let's see, you go out and you rat blindly

1792
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of times, and you're hoping to just call

1793
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: one in from somewhere you're you're maybe hoping to reach

1794
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: out three yards to that book, and in a in

1795
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: a place with some pressure, most of those deer aren't

1796
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: going to do that. They're not coming in. And so

1797
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: for me to to really be effective with calling, especially

1798
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent, you know, scents and lures

1799
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's if I'm eight yards away from that

1800
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: book and he's already where he feels comfortable, you know,

1801
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: giving him a snort, weaves or grow outing at him

1802
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: or something, he's he's a lot more comfortable covering, you know,

1803
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: forty fifty yards to get to me, as opposed to

1804
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: sprinting across a five acre cornfield or something. And so

1805
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: if you're already where that deer feels comfortable, because that's

1806
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: that's the one thing about those big bucks. When you

1807
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: watch them move through the woods, they don't walk around

1808
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: like they're all neurotic and cautious. They walk around like

1809
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: they're kings of the woods, and they can kick everybody's butt,

1810
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: and so they're confident where they're at. And if you

1811
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: get in there and he's in his zone, his place,

1812
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 1: and here's that contact grunt and it's not very far away,

1813
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: getting him to come over is a lot easier. But

1814
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: you have to do the work ahead of time instead

1815
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: of just going out hoping that cal will do the

1816
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: work for you. You know, I always look at it like,

1817
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: let's see your turkey hunting, and it's eleven o'clock in

1818
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: the morning, and you see that gobbler out strutting in

1819
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: that cut corn field, and he'll gobble his head off

1820
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: at year, but he's three d yards away and he's

1821
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: just not going to cross that distance. Well, if you

1822
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: can sneak around and crawl up into a wood you know,

1823
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: wooded point or something, and get to fifty yards from

1824
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: him when he's doing his little loop strutting back and forth,

1825
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you offer him up some helps when

1826
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: he's at that fifty sixty yard mark, it's a lot

1827
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: easier for him to just sneak over and check you

1828
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: out there than opposed to calling him all the way

1829
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: across that field and dear the same way, if you're

1830
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: pecuardy in there where they where they like to be,

1831
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: those all those other kind of get rich quick products

1832
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 1: out there, those work a heck of a lot better. Yeah,

1833
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: so so true. I think that's that's a big part

1834
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: of my I guess mindset when it comes to two

1835
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: calls and anything like that. Is is it's much better

1836
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: to have a smaller room for error by just being

1837
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: right in their wheelhouse and you only need them to

1838
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: get gonna come maybe ten yards further, versus trying to

1839
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: make something perform a miracle for you, because most of

1840
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: them it's not going to do that. Yeah, so we're

1841
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: getting pretty close here on time, Dan, Do you have

1842
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 1: any final question for Tony? No, I think I asked

1843
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: all the ones I needed to ask. All right, well,

1844
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: then great information. Yeah, yeah, definitely, So I've got one.

1845
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: I've got one more for you, Tony. That's a little bit.

1846
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: It's related, but but different. So given how much time

1847
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: you spend on public land and your focus on that,

1848
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm curious have you have you been paying attention to

1849
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: her hearing it all about the recent push to transfer

1850
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: public lands to states or sell or sell in general.

1851
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: If so, you know, what are your thoughts on that?

1852
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Is that concerning you? It's hugely concerning And if if

1853
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: any any hunter out there is sitting there saying this

1854
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: isn't a big deal, they're not paying attention. Because if

1855
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that land, the big push to transfer the land from

1856
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: federal ownership to state, if if that keeps going, because

1857
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: it's already happened. This is this is the reason that's

1858
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: so scary is we've seen it happen, and the results

1859
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,799
Speaker 1: never favor the hunters. They never favor us. They favor

1860
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: wealthy people who can buy that land when it comes

1861
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: up for sale, which is inevitably will if this trend continues,

1862
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: these opportunities that you know, we take for granted to

1863
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: be able to go to Colorado for l hunting or um,

1864
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, Montana or wherever, and it will creep to

1865
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the Midwest as well. Um, if this trend continues, it is,

1866
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 1: it is, they're gonna affect us so much more than

1867
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: we believe right now. Um, it's it's tremendously dangerous to

1868
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I think I think Dan and I

1869
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: are definitely an agreement on that. And I've even been

1870
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: recently hearing a lot more about you know, this is

1871
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: already happening in Wisconsin. There's been a ton of their

1872
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: land out there, their public land being sold off. Um.

1873
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of states, even like

1874
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned, in the Midwest or or in the east

1875
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: part of of the country where there's some of these

1876
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 1: national forests still that if this happens, they could definitely

1877
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: be impacted to UM. So yeah, I think to your point,

1878
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: this is something that even US white tail hunters need

1879
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: to be concerned about paying attention to and um, you know,

1880
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 1: making sure that we are fighting for our public access

1881
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: in these in these different properties, because once you lose them,

1882
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: they're not coming back. Well, and that's exactly it, and

1883
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's a we should clarify. There's a difference

1884
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: when we say selling off public lands. Some states have

1885
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: a known that loss um law, so if they sell

1886
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: off something, they have to buy something. So there may

1887
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: be public land sales that are okay in that situation.

1888
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: But what we're talking about here is the wholesale transfer

1889
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: of federal lands to state ownership. And when that happens,

1890
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the state becomes responsible for generating revenue off of them,

1891
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: and oftentimes they can't and so then they have to

1892
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: sell it. And what's worse is if you look at

1893
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: some of the examples out there in Oregon, for example,

1894
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: there's situations where um, the Endangered Species Act is coming

1895
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,879
Speaker 1: into place. So now maybe we turn over this national

1896
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,799
Speaker 1: forest to the state and they say, okay, we can

1897
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, we can mind some minerals off here, we

1898
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: can do some you know, pull some oil out of

1899
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: the ground or whatever, and and pay for this land

1900
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: and justify it. Well, then along comes the Endangered Species Act,

1901
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: and there's some kind of warbler out there or something

1902
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: that's endangered, and now you can't do that, or timber harvest.

1903
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: You can't selectively timber harvest, and that handcuffs these states.

1904
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: And the only option they have left is to sell it.

1905
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: And when they sell it, it goes from public to

1906
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: private and you lose and you'll never get it back.

1907
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: And so it's a it's a dangerous thing out there

1908
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, yeah, it really is. And uh, you know,

1909
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: for all our listeners, if you've heard some of our

1910
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: previous episodes on this, I know you you're well versed.

1911
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: But if not, make sure to check out our past

1912
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: episode of Randy Newburgh all about this topic. UM. I

1913
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: can't remember which number that was, was ninety or eighty

1914
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: seven or something like that. Um, but if this is

1915
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: something that you're hearing about for the first time, definitely

1916
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 1: spent a couple of minutes try to learn a little

1917
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: bit more because it really is an important topic, even

1918
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: for white tail hunters for us guys here in the

1919
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 1: Midwest or out west, east coast, south, wherever it is.

1920
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I think we need to make sure we stand up

1921
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: for our public lands. So absolutely everybody could learn something

1922
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: from Randy Newberg. Everybody. That's the truth. Great, great guy. So, Tony,

1923
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess final question for you, is uh, anything that

1924
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: we should be looking forward to in upcoming issues of

1925
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: bow Hunter magazine from you or anywhere we should be

1926
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: looking out for some interesting stories in the future. Oh yeah,

1927
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of stuff coming up in

1928
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: bow Hunter, UM, starting in the July issue. UM, I'll

1929
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: be writing about these these public land hunts UM that

1930
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I did last fall. But I'm always I'm always righting

1931
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: something in there. I got a pretty good schedule lined

1932
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: up this ball to go on a bunch of public

1933
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: land stuff, so I'll keep pranking out the content in there,

1934
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 1: so if anybody wants to read it, it's it'll be

1935
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: in bowl Hunter. Awesome. Well, I'm gonna make sure to

1936
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: take a look at that. I've enjoyed reading your stuff

1937
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: in the past, and now now getting the chat with

1938
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: you more, I'm I'm even more excited to follow those adventures.

1939
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely gonna do that. Tony, thank you so

1940
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: much for joining us today. I think I think everyone

1941
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: learned something, whether they hunt private or public. And for

1942
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 1: those out there who are going to be doing some

1943
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: public land hunting, I think you just opened up a

1944
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: huge wealth of knowledge to help them in the future.

1945
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Well. Awesome thanks for having

1946
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Speaker 1: me on, guys. Absolutely good luck to season Tony. Thank

1947
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you you too, alright, bye bye, alright, awesome stuff. I

1948
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: personally really enjoyed that episode, and, like I kind of

1949
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: alluded to at the beginning, since I'm probably gonna be

1950
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: doing some more public land hunting, this was maybe of

1951
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: particular interest to me. But man, Tony had some great

1952
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: stuff to share that I really do think you can

1953
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: apply even on private land and have more success. So again,

1954
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: big thank you to Tony for joining us. I ma'am stoked,

1955
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that. So I guess before I continue raving

1956
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: about how much I enjoyed that conversation, I do want

1957
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: to share a couple quick updates before we let you go. First,

1958
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and foremost want to let you know that we have

1959
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Speaker 1: launched a new vlog, a video blog series on Wired

1960
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: Hunt on the Wired to Hunt YouTube channel, in which

1961
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be posting weekly short videos bringing you along,

1962
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, in some cases the day in the life,

1963
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing in the white Tail Woods, or maybe

1964
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: during the season of what's actually happening on a specific hunt.

1965
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about different strategies, tips, sometimes sharing stories,

1966
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: profiling different hunters, I know, sometimes answering your questions, doing

1967
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: some Q and A sessions. A lot of cool different

1968
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: things we're gonna be doing on that video series, So

1969
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: make sure to check that out over at wired hunt

1970
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,959
Speaker 1: dot com and our YouTube channel which is at YouTube

1971
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: dot com slash wired to Hunt. Make sure you subscribe

1972
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: to our YouTube to change so you can get those

1973
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: videos every week. Speaking of subscribing, if you haven't yet

1974
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: subscribed to the Wired to Hunt podcast, please do that.

1975
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: It would be a huge help for you. You You get

1976
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: these episodes right on your phone or tablet or wherever

1977
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1978
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Speaker 1: when we release a new episode, So definitely check that out.

1979
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Speaker 1: And while you're on iTunes maybe doing that if you

1980
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Speaker 1: haven't yet, could you leave us a rating or review.

1981
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Speaker 1: That is a huge help and we really appreciate it. Now,

1982
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Speaker 1: speaking of showing our appreciation, we also, excuse me, we

1983
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Speaker 1: also need to thank our partners who have helped make

1984
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1985
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Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter a, Maps, Osonics, Carbon Express,

1986
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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

1987
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Speaker 1: So with that said, finally, I also want to thank

1988
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Speaker 1: you really appreciate taking the time to join us. I

1989
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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this as much as we did, and

1990
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Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to hunting word. Do be

1991
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