Speaker 1: Women feel like they can get away with more than
Speaker 1: a man can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it just don't look good like if
Speaker 2: a man is like if it may would have come
Speaker 2: out about that, Like the culture we have it doesn't
Speaker 2: support that at all.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: A man that can't comfortably say this bitch was really
Speaker 3: being inappropriate with me and writing anything like Nike A
Speaker 3: man up.
Speaker 2: That's actually how I got on the show. That's perfectly
Speaker 2: how I got on the show. I know we spoke
Speaker 2: about a little bit.
Speaker 3: So welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica
Speaker 3: and I'm Mila. Happy Wednesday, Happy hump Day family. How
Speaker 3: are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? I am I'm good.
Speaker 1: Okay, great.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like as I get older, you
Speaker 3: think that like you do you, Like you get into
Speaker 3: motherhood and you're like I got this, I know this,
Speaker 3: like I can do it, and then there's always these
Speaker 3: periods where it's just like what the fuck? Just like
Speaker 3: there's always I feel like as a mother, nobody talks
Speaker 3: about enough that like there's so much responsibility on solely
Speaker 3: you to like I feel it, like to like just
Speaker 3: supply shit for the family, and sometimes I just think
Speaker 3: about like being alone and eating my own food with
Speaker 3: nobody touching it or touching me, or telling me anything
Speaker 3: or asking me to do anything, and I think, wow,
Speaker 3: am I a bitch? And I just think, no, everybody
Speaker 3: just wants pieces of you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I just had a realization, what, Mela, what you are
Speaker 4: like now a married woman? You don't get breaks anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: You know you might be like, You're right.
Speaker 3: I never equated it to that because I've all, like
Speaker 3: I've we've always been mostly single.
Speaker 4: You listening to the show, We've talked tobout how married
Speaker 4: women are fucked because they never get bread. I ever
Speaker 4: get breaks, Like even when the kids go away, like
Speaker 4: they're still stuck with the husband or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1: There's just always someone in the house.
Speaker 4: Even their self care day is like might get interrupted
Speaker 4: for some bullshit.
Speaker 1: You're married now. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's happy for you, but I'm
Speaker 3: very happy for me too. Someone asked me the other day,
Speaker 3: like about Orlando moving here, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: this is the only way that this works for me.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I need this, I need to
Speaker 3: be he needs to be here. It actually makes me
Speaker 3: a better person. But also it is a shift because
Speaker 3: the other day I watched a movie alone and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is so great. I just laid on
Speaker 3: the couch. I was like, wow, I haven't done this
Speaker 3: in so long. Like I watched that movie like December
Speaker 3: June about the fucking crazy pedophilia, fucking teacher who got
Speaker 3: pregnant by her seventh grade student, and I was just
Speaker 3: like in heaven, just alone watching TV, nobody asking me shit.
Speaker 3: But I realized, like, can I have this kin of
Speaker 3: piece of this cover by this now? And I also
Speaker 3: I also came to this own conclusion. No one told
Speaker 3: me this, but I think in my past life, whatever
Speaker 3: one of my past lives, there was a shortage on food.
Speaker 5: I don't know which one. It must have not been
Speaker 5: that far away.
Speaker 1: Because probably was the Great Depression.
Speaker 3: Every time somebody wants some of my shit, I literally
Speaker 3: just want.
Speaker 1: To or the Great Famine? What was it?
Speaker 3: Some of the potato famine.
Speaker 1: I'm a great time that there was not a lot
Speaker 1: of food.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of those moments. But I every time,
Speaker 3: I'm like, why am I so annoyed by this? I
Speaker 3: I've just come to the conclusion that there was a
Speaker 3: time where there was scarcity of food, and so that's
Speaker 3: why I'm triggered every time still. But I think just
Speaker 3: not just being a mom or a wife. I think
Speaker 3: it's really just being a business person as well, and
Speaker 3: just I just want to lock myself in a beach
Speaker 3: for like thirty days, to lock herself in a beach, yeah,
Speaker 3: like just leave me alone.
Speaker 1: Good on.
Speaker 3: But I think it's just me getting older too. I
Speaker 3: think as I get older, I'm like such a friendly
Speaker 3: bitch usually and I'm like I'm ready to do this,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to do that. And now it's like thirty
Speaker 3: five year old woman. I'm like, remember the time we
Speaker 3: had the Human Design Aaron on and she was like,
Speaker 3: you probably need to live separately from your husband or
Speaker 3: have your own room. And I was like, that bitch
Speaker 3: knew me. I don't want to live separately because I'm
Speaker 3: much more needy. I need more things. But I'm just
Speaker 3: like I do really need solitude sometimes because like after
Speaker 3: four hundred questions or comments, I'm just like I just
Speaker 3: can shake my head and look over and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: I'm a bitch. But I just think it's the you
Speaker 3: know Mother, but I love my family. You know, don't
Speaker 3: get it twisted. I do. I love all my family,
Speaker 3: but I understand women who just like one day say
Speaker 3: I'm going to get a cigarettes and never come back
Speaker 3: like a Mother God. Like Mother God. It's fucking psycho
Speaker 3: Mother God.
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4: If anyone has not yet, I've been putting everyone on
Speaker 4: to this documentary.
Speaker 3: It's called Love Winds, Love Love. I think Love Winds.
Speaker 3: That's why I said they stole it from the gays.
Speaker 3: Love Winds the Cult of Mother God. Please go watch this.
Speaker 5: Love has one the calls.
Speaker 1: One the cult of Mother God.
Speaker 3: I'm not finished with it, but I do want to
Speaker 3: say it's a cult of this white bitch who's like
Speaker 3: basically trailer park trash who started getting to spiritualism, did
Speaker 3: ecstasy once and then people started coming to her cult,
Speaker 3: which is crazy that it was that easy. But which
Speaker 3: really really got me is that there were two black
Speaker 3: people that I saw. But wait, let's rewind. Because she
Speaker 3: was not trailer park trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah she I saw her. She came from a well
Speaker 1: to do family.
Speaker 3: No, she was working. She's a manager at McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Baby, that's because she needed a job. She was like
Speaker 1: a teenager.
Speaker 5: Then now she they struggled with money.
Speaker 1: Trailer park trash is a stretch.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm the end of it. The bitch
Speaker 3: was trailer park trash. Listen that can that's up for debate.
Speaker 3: Mind No, white bitch, she looks like chili park trash.
Speaker 3: She's about to starve me and tell me what to do.
Speaker 3: I just don't. I can't imagine me being ever so
Speaker 3: hopeless and desperate for that. And it just was like,
Speaker 3: it's really a deep dive into the psyche of hopeless people,
Speaker 3: and I'm really obsessed with it. But it's also like scary,
Speaker 3: how like sad people are that they would just go.
Speaker 4: Well, she just went to dinner one day with her
Speaker 4: family on her birthday and then said fuck you guys
Speaker 4: and went home.
Speaker 3: No, she said I'm leaving, and they thought it was normal,
Speaker 3: and they came home and all her shit was gone.
Speaker 3: She had three kids, and literally she never came back.
Speaker 3: She went and found her father god, one of her
Speaker 3: many father gods, and started a whole cult in which
Speaker 3: people paid her for readings, and she spread some bullshit
Speaker 3: and that she had a galactic team that consisted of
Speaker 3: Robin Williams.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Marilyn Monroe, and Tupac.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people in there that those were
Speaker 3: the main ones that I was just really wanted her
Speaker 3: to get more into the Tupac, but.
Speaker 1: Never into that.
Speaker 3: Fuck. I'm not done with it. I need to finish
Speaker 3: that tonight. That's actually gonna be my like, leave me
Speaker 3: the fuck alone, be silent.
Speaker 5: We're watching Mother God right now.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to remake it as a spoof,
Speaker 3: and I want to play the black girl who was there,
Speaker 3: because I.
Speaker 4: Want the one that like never spoke, because I only
Speaker 4: saw her in like the surveillance video.
Speaker 5: The surveillance one Black Eye. I really want to.
Speaker 3: I really want to ask these niggas, what in the
Speaker 3: fuck happened to you for you to be here with
Speaker 3: this white bitch, because this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Sorry, don't abandon your family like Mother God and
Speaker 3: go start your own cult. Although you'd be a great
Speaker 3: cult leader, you know, I saw I saw traces of
Speaker 3: myself and her too. She was like looking into people's
Speaker 3: eyes and telling them how great they were.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's me.
Speaker 3: Well, the whole thing was about pleasure, like it's so pleasurable.
Speaker 5: Nothing's bad.
Speaker 1: That's bad.
Speaker 3: Alcohol, cigarettes, weed, it's out's all medicine. It's all medicine
Speaker 3: if you use it intentionally. But then she was witch,
Speaker 3: was a raging alcoholic, but she was using it as medicine.
Speaker 3: And they were like, for most people, alcohol is medicine,
Speaker 3: but for Mother God, it helped her channel for the
Speaker 3: pain of the world. I saw her be Robin Williams
Speaker 3: when she was on alcohol. I was like, bitch, you're nuts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: please go watch that.
Speaker 4: We were not on HBO Max. If anyone has any
Speaker 4: trouble finding it.
Speaker 3: If only, if only they were sponsoring this this, I
Speaker 3: really wish they were. If anyone works at HBO, call
Speaker 3: us or Netflix, I'll watch more TV for you. But anyway,
Speaker 3: we have a guest. We have a very special guest
Speaker 3: here today. I know people on YouTube hat when we
Speaker 3: do this, but you know, we got to catch up
Speaker 3: with each other because we didn't see each other yesterday.
Speaker 3: We didn't talk four times today already, No, not at all.
Speaker 3: Today we have a special guest who is my dear
Speaker 3: friend and my my uh my colleague. We just graduated
Speaker 3: from sexology and tantric practitioner school. Mike Johnson, Hi, Mike,
Speaker 3: you don't how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great, I'm good to be here with y'all. This is,
Speaker 2: like I think from my audience, for me to be
Speaker 2: here is really cool. I've never done something I felt
Speaker 2: so comfortable right now.
Speaker 1: So perfect, you look comfortable.
Speaker 3: Lean him back and shit, we'll be friends. That's my
Speaker 3: songa brother. Wait?
Speaker 4: Wait, and can I also add to the introduction because
Speaker 4: he is an author, he is a sex coach.
Speaker 3: He is an the sexologist.
Speaker 5: Trump's the sex coach.
Speaker 1: Sex coach, sexology for sure? Okay, can you be both?
Speaker 6: Do you do so?
Speaker 3: Identify as both?
Speaker 2: It's a sexology, it's a sexology. Sex coach was cool,
Speaker 2: but you know we've upgraded that title. But I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: So wait, when you were a sex coach, were you
Speaker 4: helping people have better sex? Is that what you were
Speaker 4: doing or I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's a part of it. I think that a
Speaker 2: sexologist is just a greater version of what a sex
Speaker 2: coach what I was doing. And so as a sex coach,
Speaker 2: if someone needs to have someone desires to have better sex,
Speaker 2: someone desires to have more sex. It was mainly I
Speaker 2: would say as a sex coach. Where I did was
Speaker 2: conflict resolution within relationships, and of course sex was always
Speaker 2: a part of that. I loved it was fun. That
Speaker 2: was amazing. I want more of it.
Speaker 1: So how did you go from?
Speaker 4: For those of you who are watching on YouTube, you
Speaker 4: might be looking at Mike and be like, why does
Speaker 4: he look familiar? And if you watch network television then
Speaker 4: I don't. But if you look, if you look at him,
Speaker 4: you might say him just really closely, might say he
Speaker 4: was he on the Bachelorette?
Speaker 1: Was he on on ABC? ABC?
Speaker 2: Well, let me see you, let me see your demographic,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you they know who I am.
Speaker 5: People don't really knowing exactly when.
Speaker 2: I go to Atlanta, when I go to Dallas, the
Speaker 2: might know who I am.
Speaker 3: I only know that because I looked on your Instagram
Speaker 3: and I was like, this niggas on the Bachelor, He's famous.
Speaker 1: How did you wait?
Speaker 4: First of all, how did you Because we're gonna get
Speaker 4: into all the sex, but I'm very curious, how did
Speaker 4: you get on?
Speaker 1: How did you? Why?
Speaker 2: Why you never watching?
Speaker 3: Mike's a very handsome man. There's only like two niggas
Speaker 3: at our school, and the bitches were flocking poor Mike
Speaker 3: the whole week at school. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I need to save him. You know, you're in the
Speaker 3: club and you see your friend like say something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like trying to wink, like save me. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, if the bitches don't leave Mike the
Speaker 3: fuck alone. And I was like, this feels to be
Speaker 3: a tall, handsome black man because I feel bad for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't I think that women have it more?
Speaker 4: So I know it's gonna say you don't you experience
Speaker 4: this girl? The bitches are aggressive, they don't have no yeah,
Speaker 4: because because I think women feel like they can get
Speaker 4: away with more than a man can't.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah sure, and then it just don't look good
Speaker 2: like if a man is like if it may would
Speaker 2: have come out about that, like the culture we have
Speaker 2: it doesn't support that at all.
Speaker 3: That's true. A man that can't comfortably say this bitch
Speaker 3: was really being inappropriate with me and writing anything like Nike,
Speaker 3: A man up.
Speaker 2: That's actually how I got on the show. Tell us
Speaker 2: that that's perfectly how I got on show. I know
Speaker 2: we spoke about it a little bit, so I was, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, they say when he get his heart broke.
Speaker 2: It take him a long time, like he really loved
Speaker 2: the girl. I don't know if it's true or not
Speaker 2: what it did for me, And it took me a
Speaker 2: long time. And then I was over. And then I
Speaker 2: was you know, I did him a little face, uh
Speaker 2: horrible stories face her face, whole face. And then it
Speaker 2: was like I just was ready to be married. I
Speaker 2: was ready. I was for real.
Speaker 1: I was like, I went from hoe into I'm a husband.
Speaker 2: Well, it was never really trying to be a who.
Speaker 2: It was just all about or you know how you
Speaker 2: know I'm for real? Do you know how boring it
Speaker 2: is being single and not being bad?
Speaker 4: I resonate with this, believe what our whole show is
Speaker 4: about about being a hoe and then saying, actually I
Speaker 4: want to be a wife.
Speaker 7: About five years that was fun, but now three hundred
Speaker 7: and sixty five times five, that's how many days it
Speaker 7: took to realize we wanted to be wives.
Speaker 4: Hey, we were there, you know, turned on and I
Speaker 4: said I'm a wife today.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what life is, just a bunch of errors.
Speaker 2: Right eras as an ear So when.
Speaker 4: The husband switch turned on, you said, I know what,
Speaker 4: I'm going to join the bachelor.
Speaker 2: No, so like the husband switch turner. I was deployed
Speaker 2: in the military, and I remember I was like talking
Speaker 2: to guy one day and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: want the hard road up. And I was I think
Speaker 2: I was twenty four at the time, right, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think if I was talking about twenty four year old homies,
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, bro.
Speaker 4: You want the hard road up. You mean like you
Speaker 4: want to like really work hard for love?
Speaker 2: No, meaning, Like, I think a part of the issue
Speaker 2: with a lot of dating culture today is that we'll
Speaker 2: swipe right culture and so therefore, when shit happens, you
Speaker 2: could easily leave that situation. That's what I mean by
Speaker 2: hard road up. Like, actually, to be honest, what hard
Speaker 2: road up means is working on your own shit. That's
Speaker 2: what it means. In comparison is just.
Speaker 1: Like just backing out, backing down the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little and like blaming shit and like
Speaker 2: you know that all that stuff that people will be doing. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1: Wait, so tell me how you got on.
Speaker 2: Oh my bad, my bad, my bad bad. So I
Speaker 2: was I was at work, I was the financial Levisa.
Speaker 2: My homie that he's the way that put me on
Speaker 2: the show. I was I was getting a bunch of
Speaker 2: texts at the time, and like I just threw my
Speaker 2: phone one day, I just threw my phone across the
Speaker 2: room because like, and I was just saying, all these
Speaker 2: girls want to do is just fuck. It's weird.
Speaker 4: I don't say that you had had enough of these hoes.
Speaker 4: They just wanted to fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Ever, No, that's one hundred percent false. Like you know,
Speaker 2: you know how Drake is on his.
Speaker 3: But what made you feel.
Speaker 4: Like they just wanted to They were like text you
Speaker 4: late night, they were like sending you news. They just
Speaker 4: weren't hitting you seriously. They weren't like engaging in serious
Speaker 4: wifey conversations.
Speaker 2: No, I think they were trying to get in serious conversation.
Speaker 2: I think that that that's that's just what they wanted
Speaker 2: at that time. Okay, So I mean, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: just I wanted, like, damn, can we like go on
Speaker 2: a date or some ship? I don't know, like, like
Speaker 2: can we do more than just fucking? Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to feel like a piece of meat all the time?
Speaker 3: That it was I really I really enjoy hearing a
Speaker 3: man say that way.
Speaker 1: So then from there they then your friend said you
Speaker 1: should join the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Hell no, He was laughing his a off. He was like,
Speaker 2: what man that can get pussy? That ain't no girls
Speaker 2: around would say something like that. He was so like
Speaker 2: just perplexed, dying laughing at me, like forever. He just
Speaker 2: couldn't get it through his head. He was just like,
Speaker 2: why would you say that, bro, you because he's not
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about the helmie.
Speaker 1: Right there, but he ain't getting pussy, like you.
Speaker 3: Not there yet?
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, you know what I mean. He wasn't
Speaker 2: there yet at that time, right, this is years ago,
Speaker 2: and so he was just dying laughing at me. And
Speaker 2: then a few weeks later he sent me, like a
Speaker 2: who even goes on Facebook? No more? A Facebook message
Speaker 2: and it was like applying for the show. And I
Speaker 2: was off work that day, and you said, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't even divine Tommy.
Speaker 1: It was just like it sounds like it was off
Speaker 1: work that day you had time.
Speaker 2: He was looking for love, but I wasn't, like I
Speaker 2: ain't I was looking for love. I was just like
Speaker 2: wanting the real thing, right. I think when we say
Speaker 2: looking for love, we think about like you out here
Speaker 2: searching and shit like. It was just more so like
Speaker 2: I ain't got time for you. I ain't got time
Speaker 2: for you. I gotta work on myself. Like if you
Speaker 2: come through, then you come through.
Speaker 3: Had you watched the show at that point?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 5: Okay, never?
Speaker 2: I never I heard of this show.
Speaker 5: I was like, there's mostly been only white women.
Speaker 2: It was zero. I watched zero episodes, And at that
Speaker 2: time my life, I didn't know who Chris Harrison was.
Speaker 2: He's the goat host of the show, right, he was
Speaker 2: doing it for like twenty years or whatever.
Speaker 1: But has it been around twenty years?
Speaker 2: It's been around since one.
Speaker 1: It has been around that long. We're in high school.
Speaker 1: The fuck.
Speaker 2: It has been around since O one. But no, I
Speaker 2: didn't know. I mean I knew it was a white
Speaker 2: show because it wasn't in It wasn't just in my circles, right,
Speaker 2: That's just how I knew it was a white show.
Speaker 2: But I was why not?
Speaker 3: Were you like one of two black guys or something
Speaker 3: on the show?
Speaker 1: Maybe three?
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I think. I think after the
Speaker 2: first day it was like four max five of us,
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about that includes have black guys as well.
Speaker 2: If you have black and you I'm including that.
Speaker 1: How long did you How long did you last?
Speaker 2: You guys sexology? How long did you last?
Speaker 1: Mate?
Speaker 2: I got sent home. There's a thing to call hometowns
Speaker 2: to where they go like to your mama house and
Speaker 2: they meet your people or whatever. I got sent home
Speaker 2: the week before that.
Speaker 3: But you you opted to go home?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: No, tell you inside scoop.
Speaker 2: They they I got I got sent home. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got sent home.
Speaker 1: He got sent home, Jamila, Okay, mouth, Okay.
Speaker 3: His mom told him, don't come home. No, who can't
Speaker 3: use my comb? And so he didn't go home home home, like,
Speaker 3: don't said, don't bring up black, don't no girl home,
Speaker 3: she can't use my comb?
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, I got it.
Speaker 5: Don't bring a non black woman home. Let me translate.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know what I find if it's
Speaker 4: curious about this to me? And you know, how how
Speaker 4: old were you when you were on the Bachelor one?
Speaker 4: You were tired of these hosts texting you? But then
Speaker 4: you got on the Bachelor, which Bachelorette, which almost for
Speaker 4: me when I watch that show especially like well for
Speaker 4: both for both sides of Bachelorette a bachelor it kind
Speaker 4: of feels like a meat market sort of like you know,
Speaker 4: like because unless you're going, unless you get way far
Speaker 4: in and that's when people finally kind of get to
Speaker 4: like know each other.
Speaker 1: But it is kind of.
Speaker 4: Like swiping right a little bit because it's very based
Speaker 4: on like what you look like at first, right for.
Speaker 2: The lead person, the male or the female like the
Speaker 2: bachelor bachelorette for them a bit more so, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe they have.
Speaker 4: A different mentality going in, like they're not they know,
Speaker 4: they're not just looking for someone with looks and there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think about it like this, like if
Speaker 2: I was ever a bachelor, if it's thirty women, right,
Speaker 2: I'm only going to be sexually attracted to probably for
Speaker 2: y'all max, probably six, right, unless they ask me exactly
Speaker 2: who my type is. Right, So let's say six women
Speaker 2: right from a sexual and just looks perspective, and then
Speaker 2: out of those six women get oh that think things
Speaker 2: like ten eleven weeks, twelve weeks to get to know her,
Speaker 2: for her to get to know me, And so I
Speaker 2: think it's it's more than just a meat market, I think.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you, like
Speaker 2: when you get off the show, or will you go
Speaker 2: on Bachelor in Paradise. Bachelor of Paradise is what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: You did that one too, I did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Peanut Gallery over there.
Speaker 5: There's never been a black bachelor.
Speaker 2: There has Yeah there was, yeah.
Speaker 5: One time in twenty years. Once in twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once in twenty will be in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: once in twenty three years. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I can see being a Bachelor.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it is such a phenomenon, like I
Speaker 4: like the kind of loyalty these contents, like as you
Speaker 4: as a contestant, and like the Bachelorette, like the fans.
Speaker 1: There's like such super fans.
Speaker 4: I mean there's podcasts literally just just about the Bachelor,
Speaker 4: and they kill it, like they get crazy.
Speaker 2: He listened to Black Girls One Road, shut Out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they kill it.
Speaker 3: Like there's such a there's such a huge market.
Speaker 2: I think at one point that show, that franchise was
Speaker 2: the second biggest unscripted television show in America behind Shark Tank.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, the show is huge. I mean going
Speaker 2: to other countries and getting recognized is pretty cool, Like
Speaker 2: I never thought that would happen. So it's a big show.
Speaker 4: So then from there, how how did you get from
Speaker 4: there into sex coaching and wanting to be a sexologist
Speaker 4: and like, were you always interested in sex?
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, I mean not, Okay, that's a stupid question.
Speaker 3: Were you always interested in I guess coaching, coaching, leading
Speaker 3: in the sex industry.
Speaker 2: So what's funny is that I remember I was in
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, and I told my homie shout out
Speaker 2: Jay caused me. I was like, bro, I'm thinking about, like,
Speaker 2: what if I became a doctor of sex. I really
Speaker 2: I remember saying that at eighteen. I was like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have money, my wife gonna be uh good,
Speaker 2: she gonna be feeling good because I'm gonna be sexual.
Speaker 2: What it would also have a mindset to understand some
Speaker 2: things from a mental aspect. I said, well, mama gonna
Speaker 2: be hapy because I'm a doctor. Like I really thought
Speaker 2: about all these different aspects of that, and then you know,
Speaker 2: obviously life goes on, and then I just came back
Speaker 2: into the field for a few reasons.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you lost your virginity.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever said it.
Speaker 5: Eleven was a girl older than you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, significantly.
Speaker 2: What's significant at eleven? Like yeah, so yeah, she was four.
Speaker 1: Nineteen, w we gotta go find her.
Speaker 3: That's not that's that's pedophilia.
Speaker 5: It is okay, is your nanny like a girl in
Speaker 5: the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: But I remember when I was five years old. Yes,
Speaker 2: women do stuff too, for sure. When I was five
Speaker 2: years old, my babysitter, like yeah, like fondle. It was
Speaker 2: like I remember, I was in Germany, were playing hide
Speaker 2: and go seek, and I came upstairs and she was
Speaker 2: naked on the bed and like, so yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 2: moments that I think helped me to become a sexologist,
Speaker 2: to understand and to work through my own emotional wounds,
Speaker 2: and to really I got into the field, like will
Speaker 2: ultimately put it, because there's like four things. But the
Speaker 2: last straw, I guess was when I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do in the situation my X we had a miscarriage,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: a dumb dude. I don't cheat, and we weren't having sex,
Speaker 2: and so it was like that shit was piecing me
Speaker 2: off right, and I didn't know what to do. But
Speaker 2: I didn't know I was ignorant. The time, I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to because we could talk about my son
Speaker 2: and say how bad guys are, right, But it's two
Speaker 2: sides to a story, and it's two sides to a relationship,
Speaker 2: and it's two brains in a relationship unless you're in
Speaker 2: a throuble, right, then it's three or more. And so
Speaker 2: like I didn't know how to. I didn't understand that
Speaker 2: what if she's not conveying something that nothing is not there? Right,
Speaker 2: It's like and this is where you know, you got
Speaker 2: to convey how you feel because is like your partner
Speaker 2: isn't a mind reader. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: want it to be better to be able to pick
Speaker 2: up on social keys, to be able to pick up
Speaker 2: on just a little just small things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really happy that you just, you know, called
Speaker 3: a spade a spade. I think a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of men, there's so much ego, and there's so
Speaker 3: much patriarchy, and there's so much fucked up rhetoric around men,
Speaker 3: like masculinity and femininity, and like with how that shows
Speaker 3: up that a lot of men that I know have
Speaker 3: lost their virginity really early to women that are significantly
Speaker 3: older that are it's it's like it's it's it's molestation
Speaker 3: or you know, really rape, and they don't equate it
Speaker 3: as such as trauma because they're like thinking that they're
Speaker 3: the young man, like the man of some sort, or
Speaker 3: they're just like because they're a man, that that's not
Speaker 3: a real thing. And so they are carrying this trauma,
Speaker 3: unhealed trauma and not even processing or recognizing how it
Speaker 3: relates to how they treat women or how they show
Speaker 3: up or like even man not recognizing that like damn,
Speaker 3: I don't know shit about how I can support this
Speaker 3: woman or what like what this looks like. And then
Speaker 3: they just they're okay with that. They keep moving through
Speaker 3: the world with that, you know, that perception like just
Speaker 3: I guess it's mostly just like compartmentalizing and am in
Speaker 3: a way that like, well, this doesn't mean that and
Speaker 3: just moving forward. And I think that like if any
Speaker 3: meno is into this right now, or women who have
Speaker 3: partners that have experienced things like that and they like
Speaker 3: blow it off or you know, sweep it under their carpet,
Speaker 3: like it's really time to start understanding like yourself in
Speaker 3: a way that recognizes trauma is trauma or else you
Speaker 3: cannot process it and you cannot heal from it, and
Speaker 3: you'll project those those you know, that that form of
Speaker 3: abuse onto other people.
Speaker 5: Even if it's not just like that, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think it's just such a it's so fucked
Speaker 3: up that we live in this world that kind of
Speaker 3: makes it okay for boys to like have these these
Speaker 3: sexual experiences with people significantly older than them, and they
Speaker 3: don't really we just don't really talk about it as
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: I think that's a part of the issue right there,
Speaker 2: is that we in our society talk about how niggas
Speaker 2: ain't shit, and I agree, niggas ain't shit a lot
Speaker 2: of the times, right, But what we don't hardly ever
Speaker 2: talk about is that at some bitches ain't shit either,
Speaker 2: and so like, but that aspect, since we can't have
Speaker 2: that conversation, right, A lot of men just compartmentalize things
Speaker 2: and just put that down. But women do the same thing,
Speaker 2: put stuff down, compartmentalize fawning, right, and so therefore you
Speaker 2: got both people just like a cycle. It's a fucking cycle,
Speaker 2: and so like that's what it is. And so I
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of stop that.
Speaker 4: I can't help but think that like because I too,
Speaker 4: have met a lot of men that have been raped
Speaker 4: or molested in their childhood and they won't.
Speaker 1: They have a hard time calling it that.
Speaker 4: And I think, I wonder maybe you can shed some
Speaker 4: light on this because I'm not a man, but I
Speaker 4: feel like rape, well two, I to have to say
Speaker 4: that out loud somehow that becomes part of your identity.
Speaker 4: And if and like a man getting raped, I want
Speaker 4: to say, feels like a feminine problem because so many
Speaker 4: women experience this, so it they almost feel like it
Speaker 4: feminizes them in some way, like they're a little like
Speaker 4: they're bitch, you know, like they and so, And because
Speaker 4: they don't acknowledge it as so they try to empower
Speaker 4: themselves and say, oh, yeah, I fought my babysitter when
Speaker 4: I was twelve and she was twenty two, you know,
Speaker 4: and it was like I was that nick. It was experience,
Speaker 4: because to say I was raped feels emasculating.
Speaker 1: Emasculating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, words matter, words matter? Where's matter? Right?
Speaker 4: So Like I'm wondering if it's that word in particular
Speaker 4: that doesn't allow men to really acknowledge. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: sure it's more than that, but I wonder I'll so
Speaker 4: if that word, in particular, as it pertains to a man,
Speaker 4: makes them feel like we weak or like, ah, that's
Speaker 4: not what happened. I can't relate to that. Well, and
Speaker 4: don't get raped, But think.
Speaker 3: About the word rape in general. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 3: put a trigger rinny on this episode, but just in general,
Speaker 3: even for women.
Speaker 5: I've been raped, and it took me a long.
Speaker 3: Time to say that that word, particularly because it felt
Speaker 3: aggressive and not that it had to be a part
Speaker 3: of my identity, but that that was too heavy of
Speaker 3: a burden to put on somebody. Like even if someone
Speaker 3: has forced themselves on a woman, a woman's not gonna
Speaker 3: be like it's you're a rapist, you raped me. It's
Speaker 3: like it almost feels like I can't say that, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I can't say that, Like
Speaker 3: I won't say that because most women, let's be real,
Speaker 3: like get raped by people they know, you know, and
Speaker 3: like it just feels like this heavy, this heavy like
Speaker 3: sentence to put on someone, like it's such a huge accusation.
Speaker 3: Even if it is what it is, you're not going
Speaker 3: to like say that. And so I think it's a
Speaker 3: heavy word, but like it triggers men with women so differently,
Speaker 3: you know, because I do think it makes men feel
Speaker 3: like in some ways weak, and I think women too,
Speaker 3: But for women it's just more scary to be like
Speaker 3: the woman who made that accusation.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just like an automatic thing, like
Speaker 2: you're born a man, you're born a woman, therefore you
Speaker 2: think this way. I think it's just the conditionings we
Speaker 2: have a society, one hundred percent, Like I grew up
Speaker 2: in a you know environment in Dallas and where being
Speaker 2: light skinned going to big t and like niggas want
Speaker 2: to test me, you know what I mean, just because
Speaker 2: of the melanin in my skin, right, And I think
Speaker 2: the same thing when we talk about, you know, taking
Speaker 2: advantage of someone like, it's the the culture around it,
Speaker 2: truly what it is. I think that when you mentioned
Speaker 2: the word feminine, I think that even the way we
Speaker 2: think of it is incorrect in terms of male female.
Speaker 2: We all have this within us, right, and so I
Speaker 2: think of a person who has both qualities, and I
Speaker 2: think Kanye West has both qualities right truly and lives
Speaker 2: both sides of that to be able to have a
Speaker 2: plan to make that shit happen, but then also to
Speaker 2: be creative as fucking then just to sit with what's
Speaker 2: going on. And so I think that my girl and
Speaker 2: I talk about this often in terms of what we
Speaker 2: see as a man right, the ability to have both truly,
Speaker 2: like the marriage of the two, Like to be able.
Speaker 5: To the feminine and the masculine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be able to be a nigga. Don't mean
Speaker 2: like that don't mean you are not hard. That don't
Speaker 2: mean that you were queer of some sort. That just
Speaker 2: means like you able to speak on your shit and
Speaker 2: then stand up and stand on that. Right. I think
Speaker 2: that that, I think truly that makes us stronger. You
Speaker 2: feel me like we talking about what strength? Did you
Speaker 2: mentioned the word weak mealer? Right? That makes you stronger?
Speaker 2: Male or female? Right?
Speaker 4: So, like growing up, I'm curious about your upbringing and
Speaker 4: just your history with sex, Like with sex something that
Speaker 4: your parents talk to you about or was it something
Speaker 4: that you kind of had to like do your own
Speaker 4: due diligence on, Like did you able to talk to
Speaker 4: your parents about sex at all or like how to
Speaker 4: have good sex? Or I mean probably not, that's the reach.
Speaker 4: But like you're from Texas, my dad is from Texas.
Speaker 4: I don't talk about that yp of shit. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm just curious, like, did you have that kind of
Speaker 4: openness in your in your bringing?
Speaker 2: Not at all, I would say. I remember one time
Speaker 2: I think my mom called me looking call me looking
Speaker 2: at like a Playboy magazine of some sort, right, and
Speaker 2: then she got mad at me or whatever, and my
Speaker 2: grandma was like, at least he's reading Never.
Speaker 1: Okay, Granny, I never get that.
Speaker 2: Shut out, so you feel me?
Speaker 4: And then not at least he's reading the pictures, Granny,
Speaker 4: you know you feel me.
Speaker 2: It was words in it, but uh, you know what
Speaker 2: is a wreck? Right? You know you don't know if
Speaker 2: we talk about the country were talking about, and so like,
Speaker 2: there wasn't I remember mom when I was like eleven,
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, maybe she sent me she gave me a
Speaker 2: pamphlet of like how to look at your testicles or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, make sure they straight. And that was
Speaker 2: really about it. Oh and then my aunt I remember
Speaker 2: her saying one time she said, because I got caught
Speaker 2: watching porn or something, and she said, uh, he got
Speaker 2: to learn from somewhere.
Speaker 3: Oh no, ye.
Speaker 1: Would you say there was like one six?
Speaker 4: Because I feel like, because now you work in this
Speaker 4: space and it's you know, like tantra specifically, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's like for a straight black man from Texas, I'm
Speaker 4: not being a what do you call yourself geographically discriminative.
Speaker 4: I'm just curious because like that's such a I don't
Speaker 4: want to say it's not a wild practice.
Speaker 1: What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5: Foreign It's not.
Speaker 3: It's taboo. It's not traditional for a black person period.
Speaker 3: We think anything outside of Christianity is the devil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Buddhism, Like, how.
Speaker 4: Do you go from not having you know, any sort
Speaker 4: of like guidance per se then to this space like
Speaker 4: was there? Because a lot of times I do find
Speaker 4: that men that are sexually explorative and very open usually
Speaker 4: there's like that one partner that like bust them open
Speaker 4: and that one woman that like opened them up. Was
Speaker 4: that is that the case for you or was it
Speaker 4: kind of just like a journey of like an un
Speaker 4: like um blossoming.
Speaker 2: I don't think nobody had to bust me open.
Speaker 1: I was just I came out, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word.
Speaker 2: I came out ready. But yeah, I didn't have that
Speaker 2: experience the work I was with somebody who just turned
Speaker 2: me out per se.
Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to turn you out, but just like
Speaker 4: opened your mind sexually for you to just be open.
Speaker 2: No, so like I'm not I'm from Texas, but I
Speaker 2: live around the world from from child up right living
Speaker 2: in Europe, which definitely opens your eyes up. And then
Speaker 2: as a young man I went back to Europe and
Speaker 2: later for five years. And so I grew up Christian
Speaker 2: in Black Church. But I think one of the dopest
Speaker 2: things that you could do is explore for you and
Speaker 2: be authentically you. And so my grandma and I just
Speaker 2: talked about this too. She was She's very Christian. It
Speaker 2: was like, Mike, my man can't jack off or whatever,
Speaker 2: or he can't you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you mean like your grandmother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like.
Speaker 1: She's telling you about her partner.
Speaker 2: No, I had to like open it up right because
Speaker 2: she we don't have that relationship, but she respects what
Speaker 2: I do, and I respect her as a human and
Speaker 2: a woman and a sexually liberated individual. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: don't you want him to last longer? Don't you want
Speaker 2: him to be able to know what to do and
Speaker 2: you know, be it there for you? And then like
Speaker 2: we're just having conversations, and she kind of like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, and so like you could be a Christian
Speaker 2: and still be a and receive lots and lots of
Speaker 2: pleasure sexually and give less. Of course, I know, I'm
Speaker 2: with you. I give you.
Speaker 4: I was more so saying like, you know, I know
Speaker 4: the practices that you guys are doing in Tantra are like,
Speaker 4: you know, if for someone who's not who hasn't begun
Speaker 4: to kind of journey into that's would be like.
Speaker 3: What the fuck are y'all doing over there? You know
Speaker 3: I think this, I'm sorry that cuts you off.
Speaker 2: No, I always say, it's like level from where we
Speaker 2: are is like starting off at level.
Speaker 3: Ten and I and I would say, and I told
Speaker 3: Erica this too. I'm like, I'm a pretty open bitch.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty open as a you know, regular
Speaker 3: listener may know. But there were points in this process
Speaker 3: where I was like, this is very interesting because it
Speaker 3: is it's lineage based. We're learning like practices and meditations
Speaker 3: that are thousands of years old, and it's very foreign.
Speaker 5: If someone if I like, you got to ease.
Speaker 3: People in, but like I what I really like, Well,
Speaker 3: there's only a handful of black kids, like students in
Speaker 3: our cohort. But also like I think that me and
Speaker 3: Mike have talked a lot a lot about this, but
Speaker 3: even back to what we were saying about the masculinity,
Speaker 3: I think that there's been like a heavy cloak over
Speaker 3: society's eyes, particularly for Black people because slavery. But there's
Speaker 3: this idea for men. I want you to listen closely, gentlemen,
Speaker 3: there's this there's this false idea of masculinity for men,
Speaker 3: and I think it was the best like kool aid
Speaker 3: they could have given the men, because they're with most
Speaker 3: men or alpha men, how they act out in their
Speaker 3: masculinity is so far from masculine. It's it's it's like
Speaker 3: they've so they're so confused that in fact, the most
Speaker 3: masculine man is able and willing to invite in his
Speaker 3: feminine traits because then there's balance. And even for Black
Speaker 3: women it's been we've been like we've been villainized because
Speaker 3: we are masculine. And even for black men, like well,
Speaker 3: that's why I date white women because Black women are
Speaker 3: too masculine. And it's not that we're too masculine, it's
Speaker 3: that we are we're able to swing on the pen,
Speaker 3: you know, swing back and forth on the pendulum for
Speaker 3: what we need. But the truth, the truth is for
Speaker 3: both parties, we need to have balance and to be feminine,
Speaker 3: I need to be able to fucking fuck you up.
Speaker 3: You need to know I'm not to be fucked with
Speaker 3: because I have cubs and I have family and I
Speaker 3: have to go get the paper and I can take
Speaker 3: care of myself.
Speaker 5: And there's also for men.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to cry and acknowledge your
Speaker 3: issues and like all these things and be self reflective
Speaker 3: and that's actually a masculine man. And to have control
Speaker 3: and discipline over yourself, not to cheat, and to be faithful.
Speaker 3: And niggas are so men. When I say niggas, I
Speaker 3: mean men. Just for those who are just joining us,
Speaker 3: we say niggas and it could mean many things. But
Speaker 3: but you know, I just think that men have this
Speaker 3: idea that you have to like pound your chest fuck
Speaker 3: as many bitches as you can, and that is what
Speaker 3: a masculine man is. And it's so far from the
Speaker 3: truth because you know, in the words a geezy, but
Speaker 3: it's true. If I'm a woman or a man of
Speaker 3: my word, he lied, he did lie. I'm sure he
Speaker 3: did lie because he obviously cheated. But when Jenny said
Speaker 3: I cheated, listen, I wasn't saying Jenny was wrong.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure Geez probably fucked around.
Speaker 4: He was trying to get with fucking me along. I
Speaker 4: would be too, he said, let me get in this.
Speaker 3: I would be too.
Speaker 1: I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I want to say something to that.
Speaker 3: Don't want you to finish your thought yea, but okay,
Speaker 3: my thoughts be long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I get long winded.
Speaker 5: I get high.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 5: So I just think that.
Speaker 3: There's this huge, this huge confusion in our culture and
Speaker 3: even for women too, thinking that that's what masculinity means.
Speaker 3: Or if fucking Drake paints his nails yellow, he's sassy
Speaker 3: or whatever the weird shit you know, you wear this
Speaker 3: outfit or you wear the man person, like that's the
Speaker 3: least of the everybody's work, Like how are you holding down?
Speaker 3: How are you holding me down? And how am I
Speaker 3: holding you down? And I just think like it's the
Speaker 3: balance of both. We both have to have equal parts.
Speaker 3: But particularly me and Mike have talked about this for
Speaker 3: like what we have gone, you know, gone through this
Speaker 3: process is two year process of completing this program is
Speaker 3: really for our people. And of course I'm here for everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm a people person, and you know, like we're all
Speaker 3: pink on the inside.
Speaker 5: What never, no, whatever.
Speaker 3: But the point is.
Speaker 1: I had a very weird visual when you're saying.
Speaker 3: When we open up this flesh box.
Speaker 1: All these words all flash box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a flashbox. Essentially we're being just a
Speaker 3: flesh suit.
Speaker 1: Flesh suit. I got that.
Speaker 3: I got that from somebody. It is though essentially we
Speaker 3: are we are, we are souls just utilizing this body
Speaker 3: so we can touch and feel in this lifetime, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But like, I think, particularly like
Speaker 3: for black people, our sexuality and our pleasure and our
Speaker 3: idea of masculine and feminine has has been so far
Speaker 3: off because we've been suppressed for so long in so
Speaker 3: many ways that like this work is extremely important for
Speaker 3: us to like kind of spread the word of the
Speaker 3: good words because I just think, you know, you asked Mike,
Speaker 3: like how do you get into this that someone busts
Speaker 3: him open like a bitch or something.
Speaker 5: But I just think, like if.
Speaker 3: If you just take twenty minutes to just have common
Speaker 3: sense man or woman and you're like, let me just
Speaker 3: be better, Let me just be better. Let me just
Speaker 3: be a good person and respect the person I'm with
Speaker 3: and get to understand the other opposite sex more, just
Speaker 3: because that's a part of coexisting in the world. Then
Speaker 3: you kind of want to evolve, and you know, like
Speaker 3: that's just like it's just like a white person benefiting
Speaker 3: from white privilege. You know, like some white people just
Speaker 3: don't believe versism exists anymore because get over it. It's like,
Speaker 3: of course you're not going to tell this bitch because
Speaker 3: this bitch is benefiting from the fucking paradigm being fucked up.
Speaker 3: So it's just like men. If men can get away
Speaker 3: with bitches being afraid to say rape women, knowing that
Speaker 3: women are going to keep their secrets, and they've been
Speaker 3: able to get away with being this fake version of masculine,
Speaker 3: they're not going to then like opts for the equal
Speaker 3: rights because they.
Speaker 5: Know they benefit from this system that exists.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I was I was like, I was just
Speaker 2: gonna speak to the fact that I think that at
Speaker 2: times men actually do want to be expressive and their
Speaker 2: feminine talking. When I say fit, I'm spickly talking about
Speaker 2: strictly talking about expressive of emotions emotions, right, you feel me,
Speaker 2: whether it be sexual emotions or angry emotions, you feel me,
Speaker 2: or sad emotions. But you know these stories I heard,
Speaker 2: I mean stories I've seen myself and from the homies
Speaker 2: that when they try to speak to their women, or
Speaker 2: speak to women in general, they get shunned. You feel
Speaker 2: me like, oh, you're a bitch, you crying like that
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. Or you you're doing that,
Speaker 2: you're dressing like this, or whatever the case may be. Right,
Speaker 2: and so therefore it's also hardening us from like elementary school,
Speaker 2: you feel me like, So it's it's if if a
Speaker 2: man tries to cry in front of me and he
Speaker 2: gets shut down trauma, you think he gonna do that again,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And so like, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that that's all me in, but there's an asp
Speaker 2: that I don't think that conversation you had either.
Speaker 4: What do you think women can do to support their
Speaker 4: man's vulnerability? More like what I'm I'm hearing that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, the mistake that women make is you know,
Speaker 4: like because sometimes I probably have been part of this
Speaker 4: because sometimes I don't I have this well. He was
Speaker 4: kind of crazy though, but I didn't understand his emotions,
Speaker 4: so he would cry and be like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: are you crying for? Like this doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 4: Are you manipulating me?
Speaker 1: That answer?
Speaker 4: But but I probably did cause him more trauma because
Speaker 4: of that. But but I didn't start it, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Start I just added to it.
Speaker 4: Okay, but I didn't start that trauma to crazy from
Speaker 4: the beginning. But I but I guess, uh, yeah, what
Speaker 4: is what can a woman do? Maybe if maybe like
Speaker 4: someone who's listening right now, maybe they know, like, you
Speaker 4: know what I did shut my man down? How do
Speaker 4: I fix that? How do I what do I do
Speaker 4: to make a man feel safe?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: What is what is elementary that maybe we don't get
Speaker 4: as women.
Speaker 2: If a woman were to say to her partner after
Speaker 2: after kind of like coming at him for showing his emotion,
Speaker 2: I would say, for example, not when he doing his thing,
Speaker 2: you feel me, whether that be playing the game, watching
Speaker 2: watching the game, or doing whatever the case right, but
Speaker 2: like tone, timing and turf matters, and so I would say,
Speaker 2: you get that out the way, and then it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: beg I felt I felt weirded out because I haven't
Speaker 2: seen this before, and so I did this whatever this
Speaker 2: is right, and then that man is probably going to
Speaker 2: feel that you're showing some form of respect towards him
Speaker 2: because you're being vulnerable yourself. And this is why it's
Speaker 2: not even a man woman thing. It's just like a
Speaker 2: one thing you feel me. And so if those type
Speaker 2: of conversations were he be had, I think it'll be
Speaker 2: a lot less uh money go into these uh dating apps.
Speaker 1: So I should get off the dating app.
Speaker 2: I ain't say that now shit.
Speaker 3: Evolved people need to be with evolved people. If you are,
Speaker 3: that's a.
Speaker 2: Good dating app.
Speaker 3: Claim to fame the Tantric dating app evolved evolved people.
Speaker 1: How do you vet them?
Speaker 2: When you say, have y'all talked about that? When you
Speaker 2: say tantra like how you got to like decipher this ship?
Speaker 3: You know what I haven't, because you know what I
Speaker 3: realized too. When I'm talking to like people honestly in
Speaker 3: my community, like mostly my friends, no one, I guess
Speaker 3: people everyone assumes it just has so strictly to do
Speaker 3: with sex. But I don't think anyone has really any clue,
Speaker 3: so I don't have to go deep. But I know,
Speaker 3: like Tantra neo Tantra that's like big white communities or
Speaker 3: big in the Western world, is solely based in sex.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of bad raps for what that means.
Speaker 3: It's like people fucking their clients on a massage table.
Speaker 3: There's like all types of levels of how people like
Speaker 3: under the skies of Tantra. And I think that, like
Speaker 3: I've been really diligent about saying that it's a lineage based,
Speaker 3: like a lineage based like what we've how how we've
Speaker 3: been inducted into is lineage base, and it's been practiced
Speaker 3: for thousands of years. You know. It's this form of yoga.
Speaker 3: It's it's a form of Buddhism that doesn't separate, doesn't
Speaker 3: shy away from a part of a very big part
Speaker 3: of us, which is sexuality. We are literally a whole mind, body, spirit,
Speaker 3: an alignment of like healing all of those all of
Speaker 3: those things and not just shying away from the sexual parts.
Speaker 3: And it's like like religion generally does That's what I say, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, religion doesn't really tell you it's bad.
Speaker 5: This is not that type of thing.
Speaker 3: It's a practice that is whole encompassing and tech teaches
Speaker 3: you how to like use pleasure as medicine. So I
Speaker 3: mean I don't I I haven't really like led with
Speaker 3: it's not solely sex, but I probably should start.
Speaker 2: That was great.
Speaker 3: I love the way you spoke with how do you
Speaker 3: speak about it.
Speaker 2: Healing? I say that all your biases that you have,
Speaker 2: all your conditions, that you have, all your uh, the
Speaker 2: way that you see the world, we help to to
Speaker 2: erode that and get you back to your full self,
Speaker 2: your fulfilling yoga, you know, I say, yoga of us,
Speaker 2: of nervousness and regulation.
Speaker 3: So what you have to do to get on the
Speaker 3: Evolved Dating app is first you have to complete me
Speaker 3: and Mike's course. Complete the course, the ninety day course.
Speaker 3: You can be then vetted into the system.
Speaker 2: And then yes that's a good months bad choices, of
Speaker 2: course you I got that.
Speaker 4: Then we need to look you in the eyes, make
Speaker 4: sure you're not fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: Only come here when you want to do function like
Speaker 3: just start for the first five years over on Hinge
Speaker 3: like me and Erica did, and then when you're ready
Speaker 3: and you realize there's nothing out there, you can come
Speaker 3: over to the Evolved that I.
Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't on the apps like that. I really wasn't.
Speaker 5: How did you meet your girl?
Speaker 2: My homeboy actually hollered at her at the club, but
Speaker 2: she stood up and like her height kept going to
Speaker 2: his height and.
Speaker 1: Stop, You're like, get out of here. No I was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even there though, and so like he tried
Speaker 2: to like this is what I was told sold from
Speaker 2: both of them. He tried to like dance with her whatever,
Speaker 2: and she said she tried to spend, but she couldn't.
Speaker 4: Like, oh no, she had a duck.
Speaker 2: Up, you know what. She was like, you nice, but
Speaker 2: I can't do it. And so then you know, he
Speaker 2: put me on.
Speaker 1: So this was later. This didn't all happen in one
Speaker 1: moment in the club.
Speaker 2: No, this was, like I guess, in a weekend. He was.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work out somebody on the date.
Speaker 1: He well, that's beautiful. Look at that. I love one
Speaker 1: man can do that for one another.
Speaker 2: See, I think, so I do, Like I think that
Speaker 2: we showed in our own ways you feel, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: we do. We can get a lot better though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm single and I I'm still learning how to
Speaker 4: date properly because I don't know what that means anymore?
Speaker 1: What tips do you.
Speaker 3: Have how do to date properly?
Speaker 1: What tips do.
Speaker 4: You have for someone who For me, I'm celibate right
Speaker 4: now and I don't plan on having sex, but I've
Speaker 4: been having like these really interesting interactions with intimacy, but
Speaker 4: not like physical intimacy with someone where like I'm in
Speaker 4: their energy and we both obviously share like this attraction
Speaker 4: to one another, but we're not acting on it, and
Speaker 4: so it's like kind of like building this Like I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like.
Speaker 1: Energy between us. But I guess my question is like.
Speaker 2: How what is not? What is? If I'm what is
Speaker 2: like you're being celebtate right now and then having that
Speaker 2: energy building? How is that coming true in your life?
Speaker 2: What do you feel is coming out from that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like it's healing something in
Speaker 4: me that I felt like was like taken from me
Speaker 4: in ways like that I don't actually have to give
Speaker 4: my body to someone in order to I don't know,
Speaker 4: like feel intimacy really like to feel and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: even say love because I know that, but like it's
Speaker 4: more like this intimacy that I felt like my partner
Speaker 4: lived across the country, so there was already like this
Speaker 4: gap in our intimacy anyway, and so like when we
Speaker 4: were together, like I craved it so much, like we
Speaker 4: like you.
Speaker 1: Know, when you're away from someone for so long.
Speaker 4: Like so I'd had these like really intense moments of
Speaker 4: intimacy that felt like otherworldly because not well because I
Speaker 4: think we also had chemistry, but all so because of
Speaker 4: like that that longing. And now in this situation, it's
Speaker 4: kind of the same, but it's healthier longing.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: It's not like, oh, you're not here and I'm longing
Speaker 4: for you, or like, you know, are you cheating on me?
Speaker 1: Like and I'm like I need to be near you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's more of like a I don't know, like building
Speaker 4: some sort of like safety around the intimacy.
Speaker 2: That's good. I mean you feel comfortable with that. Y'all
Speaker 2: going It sounds like y'all going into your space.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is not my pace. It's my
Speaker 1: pace right now.
Speaker 2: You're trying something new, Okay, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's been good.
Speaker 4: It's been challenging, but it's been fulfilling. Like I don't
Speaker 4: have any big desire to change to like move faster
Speaker 4: or forward, you know, I mean, but now I lost
Speaker 4: my train of thought because I had a question about dating,
Speaker 4: and now I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's in New Year and you're
Speaker 3: still in in How do you call it cuffing season
Speaker 3: while your girls been out of the game a long time?
Speaker 5: How do you call it cuffing season?
Speaker 2: She said, it's still cold?
Speaker 5: And I think that.
Speaker 3: What I hear like people are tired, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And I think women are confused. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of sane, sexual, cool, successful single women who
Speaker 3: genuinely deserve like good partnership, you know, like this is
Speaker 3: my wife, so we go together, you know, basically minus sex,
Speaker 3: like basically everything except sex. And I think that what
Speaker 3: women for women who are trying to date. Seriously, what
Speaker 3: do you think or like five things men like women
Speaker 3: get wrong in dating?
Speaker 2: I think that, like how you just explained y'all's beautiful relationship,
Speaker 2: I think that when you are in an intimate relationship
Speaker 2: with a person, like the person that you love, like
Speaker 2: in love with, I think that person has a unique
Speaker 2: way of pulling out the emotional wounds within you. And
Speaker 2: so I think it becomes different with that person versus
Speaker 2: like y'all as friends or home ever the case, whoever
Speaker 2: the relationship may be. So I think that it's different
Speaker 2: per relationship. A person could be amazing, terrific love by all,
Speaker 2: but then with their partner and they bring out something
Speaker 2: different in them. And so I think those are the
Speaker 2: things I think in regards to women, but just people again,
Speaker 2: men and women both like working on your shit, taking accountability,
Speaker 2: even accountability when it's like something that took place that
Speaker 2: wasn't your fault, but you've been attached to that for
Speaker 2: too long, Like go over that attachment, right, And so
Speaker 2: I think that would be a few right there. That's
Speaker 2: three right there.
Speaker 4: I think I wonder if, like, do you think that
Speaker 4: women who are like very forthcoming about what their intentions are,
Speaker 4: is that like a mistake that women make? Because I
Speaker 4: feel like that's how I've led in the past, and
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's served me or hasn't served me.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I feel like because like niggas
Speaker 4: will lie and say, yeah, I'm ready for a committed relationship,
Speaker 4: So like does it even matter to say that or
Speaker 4: does that turn you off? Like if a woman came
Speaker 4: to you and said, hey, listen, I don't know what
Speaker 4: you're doing like second date, like or maybe even first date.
Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, so listen, I really enjoyed
Speaker 4: this this date. I want to let you know like
Speaker 4: I'm dating with intention. I'm not really interested in, you know,
Speaker 4: casual dating.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I think two ways. The first way, it's like if
Speaker 2: you're a salesman. Right, let's say you work I used
Speaker 2: to work in Dialer's Ladies shoes department. Right, I've done
Speaker 2: a lot of different type of sales jobs, right, And
Speaker 2: as good salesman, they're going to pick up on what
Speaker 2: you want and they gonna know how to pivot to
Speaker 2: what you want, right. And so I think in dating
Speaker 2: a lot of times like if a person tells you
Speaker 2: I want this, this, and this, if they're a bad individual,
Speaker 2: they're gonna take advantage of that that and that you
Speaker 2: feel me and so so you shouldn't tell them. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you shouldn't have, just saying that that's
Speaker 2: a fuck up nigga right there. You feel me like
Speaker 2: if that were to be the case. But it's like
Speaker 2: a if you're dealing with an immature individual and you're
Speaker 2: just very forthcoming, and that person does you wrong. I
Speaker 2: think they just let you know that they're not for
Speaker 2: you in a quicker old fashion, in a quicker way.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, do I think that let
Speaker 2: me not skirt around the question to be direct two ways.
Speaker 2: One is per person basis, but then two, I do
Speaker 2: think that it's a it's a it's a dance, it's
Speaker 2: a given take. The dance doesn't start with yeah, you
Speaker 2: feel me, you can't. If we about a dance, you
Speaker 2: don't just grab my hand and just do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You guys been partying all day.
Speaker 3: You're like, so listen, I'm like, only dating intentions as
Speaker 3: a woman, I've had I've had niggas tell me that
Speaker 3: on dates and immediately I was like, oh, nigga's crazy.
Speaker 5: Like even if I was into.
Speaker 3: It, I would immediately run. Orlando said this to me
Speaker 3: one time, one time around mushrooms. We have known each
Speaker 3: other like a pretty good amount of time, and he
Speaker 3: was like, what are we doing here? And I was
Speaker 3: like what.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's not a good time.
Speaker 3: Though it wasn't a good time, but also like I
Speaker 3: I I think I have issues with commitment in general.
Speaker 3: But also I even met Steve harvey fucking book where
Speaker 3: he told everybody terrible advice as if he's a master
Speaker 3: of fucking dating. Whoa, and everybody took it and he
Speaker 3: made millions of dollars. But like he's like, tell someone
Speaker 3: on the first date, which you want. I think it's
Speaker 3: cool to be like, yeah, I do want to be married,
Speaker 3: but yeah I do want kids, Like this is like
Speaker 3: this is my intention, but like I'm not telling someone
Speaker 3: the first date just so you know.
Speaker 2: Like that's the Yeah, it's the intention.
Speaker 4: Like the attitude, you know, your last name, like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's a mistake that some woman make, because I feel
Speaker 4: like I feel like women have been fed that information
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Steve Harvey, which I don't know why you took Steve
Speaker 3: Harvey's advice.
Speaker 5: He is not the dating master, but.
Speaker 3: Neither one of them because she's dating his ass he
Speaker 3: weren't to pay for years.
Speaker 4: I just had a realization they are trying to make
Speaker 4: Lori Harvey like a dating.
Speaker 1: Expert, aren't they? Have you been seeing this on the internet?
Speaker 3: It just all hit me because she's a regular, are they.
Speaker 1: They're like I've seen like a few place to her.
Speaker 3: She's smart, she'd go into sex ology.
Speaker 4: There's somehow they're like changing the narrative around, like because
Speaker 4: typically a woman, especially a black woman, dating like multiple
Speaker 4: celebrities in like a period of like two years, she'd
Speaker 4: be a hoe. But Steve Harvey ain't playing that ship
Speaker 4: with his.
Speaker 5: Daughter pr Campaign.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that they have crafted away or she
Speaker 4: has been smart in the way that she's talked about
Speaker 4: her relationships where I don't know if you've heard anything
Speaker 4: she said. It's not like she said anything like profound.
Speaker 4: She was just like, you know, if it doesn't serve you,
Speaker 4: like don't don't stay or whatever, like women deserve to
Speaker 4: be treated like goddesses, you know, Like that'sic shit. But
Speaker 4: I just realized, Sorry, I just had this epiphany. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, she are they trying to coin her
Speaker 4: as like a dainty expert LORI Harvey probably pay for.
Speaker 1: Because Steve Harvey coined himself as a dating.
Speaker 3: Expert, which I don't know. That's what I'm saying. The
Speaker 3: bitches who went like listen to him, like the same
Speaker 3: thing with the Kevin Samuel's nigga, you have to question,
Speaker 3: why are you asking this man for this advice if
Speaker 3: you were asking seeking Like, I know we need male perspective,
Speaker 3: and I know we have vastly different perspectives, so I
Speaker 3: understand having insight on each other's perspective, but also like why,
Speaker 3: like certain people just can't give me dating advice because
Speaker 3: you're not even on my level.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where women fuck up too.
Speaker 3: Is like even for us, women like us who talk
Speaker 3: candidly on the internet about sex, have a lot of
Speaker 3: fun and have cucumbers in people's mouths at live shows,
Speaker 3: and it could be depicted a lot of ways, and
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of men, it's intimidating and
Speaker 3: there's a label that it's associated with a certain type
Speaker 3: of woman. So I know, like I'm not gonna date
Speaker 3: a regular like a pastor. You know, he's probably not
Speaker 3: gonna want to date me. And maybe, but like the
Speaker 3: truth is, like you, I think you should lead with
Speaker 3: who the fuck you are authentically and then don't expect
Speaker 3: don't try and fit a fucking uh like a watermelon
Speaker 3: inside of orange and be like why isn't it working?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It's just like you you
Speaker 3: have my.
Speaker 2: Mom theme about watermelon going.
Speaker 3: Into I'm high.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you could break it up, cut
Speaker 1: it up evasicially, just won't let it go. That's her.
Speaker 3: You won't love me, will respond to me.
Speaker 2: No watermelon lobido trick. Put cut up an entire watermelon
Speaker 2: and put a coconut water in there, you know, like
Speaker 2: mix that up and blend that up.
Speaker 3: He really believes in this because he said this to me.
Speaker 4: Man, it makes you like horning watermelon coconut like not.
Speaker 2: Just the deray apartment, Like, get get up in there,
Speaker 2: you feel me. Yeah, get the green as well, get
Speaker 2: not the green outside. I'm something the white the white white. Okay, interesting, ladies, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean here's things about that too. You gotta stop.
Speaker 3: You gonna stop what coming? You stop ejaculating.
Speaker 1: It's to stop ejaculating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't mean he gotta stop orgasm, just separating that.
Speaker 1: To preserving life force energy or right, you don't come.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
Speaker 6: What the fun said, I.
Speaker 3: Recommend the ship and not do it yourself, because I.
Speaker 2: Do do myself, but not one hundred percent of the.
Speaker 1: No, I just twitch.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hear what you. I was trying to
Speaker 2: hear you. I was talking. I wanted to hear you.
Speaker 2: Could you. I want to make sure and say what.
Speaker 4: You said, when you have sex with your girlfriend, you
Speaker 4: don't nut every time? Like if you can not, I
Speaker 4: don't think you're like I know, sometimes you just don't.
Speaker 4: You know, you won't nut, But like, do you intentionally
Speaker 4: not nut at this point in time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course he's a t Yeah he does nut
Speaker 3: something I doesn't.
Speaker 2: I do, I do. But then there's also tons.
Speaker 5: Of word what does that have to do with him?
Speaker 3: I'm he's talking about like that men should preserve their nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm asking if he does that too, Like, if that's
Speaker 1: what he's doing, I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, as a man in this practice, he's absolutely not
Speaker 3: nutting one hundred percent of the time he's having sex. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a part of the practice.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'm asking him because you're not his penis.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm his song at Sisters.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 5: I know his practice, I know what.
Speaker 3: He knows, so I know he's not Mike's my friend.
Speaker 3: So we've spent a week in fucking Mexico talking about
Speaker 3: strange things like preserving life for his energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say about the time, Yeah, I was just
Speaker 4: asking because I was curious to know what Mike's answer
Speaker 4: was going to be.
Speaker 3: I you know, I think that if people feel like
Speaker 3: they hear that it feels so appalling to not nut
Speaker 3: because even me, I have a breeding kink I want
Speaker 3: to see come and I think like it's so it
Speaker 3: feels like alarming, Like what do you mean you don't
Speaker 3: want me to nut? You know, like I think men,
Speaker 3: I think that's like something has to like slowly, slowly
Speaker 3: like put on somebody, because I think everyone's immediate response
Speaker 3: is hell no, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean well, I think that everyone also has different
Speaker 4: practices and how they practice tantra. Some men, like I
Speaker 4: think about Sting like he was one of the first
Speaker 4: celebrities that really started talking about semen retention and he
Speaker 4: wasn't coming for years, like so I don't know how long,
Speaker 4: Like how deep in the.
Speaker 1: Practice are you? Are you not? That was my question,
Speaker 1: like are you not nutting at all right now?
Speaker 4: Like because some people like that that's what they do
Speaker 4: and they preserve it for whatever it is that they're
Speaker 4: waiting for that.
Speaker 3: Question speak is like are you really are you really
Speaker 3: doing your practice over there? Money?
Speaker 1: That's not what I was at now.
Speaker 3: That's why I was like, why are you attacking me.
Speaker 5: In tangent words?
Speaker 3: That's like you're not No.
Speaker 4: I was just asking because like I don't know, like
Speaker 4: everyone you know, in any practice, you go through phases
Speaker 4: where you're.
Speaker 1: Doing that intensely. You're just sprinkling it into your practice.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a phase. It's a part of life.
Speaker 2: So it isn't an error, It isn't a chapter. This
Speaker 2: is the book. And so there are times to where
Speaker 2: I definitely do ejaculate, but then there are times of
Speaker 2: where I don't, and so and so when you.
Speaker 4: Do that, when you do ejaculate, it is like even
Speaker 4: more pleasurable.
Speaker 2: Right, pleasurable, stronger, more in general semen. But then depletion
Speaker 2: entiedness is even more.
Speaker 3: So you feel more depleted as you've practiced it more.
Speaker 2: Like because if I'm going like, let's say I go
Speaker 2: at right and then really ship but you out it out. No,
Speaker 2: So like if I go thirty days without and then
Speaker 2: having lots and lots and lots of sexual activity, like
Speaker 2: it's different if you don't have no sense. That's why
Speaker 2: I look at you that way, because the question is
Speaker 2: so multifaceted if you're talking about individual that doesn't know,
Speaker 2: but also they're not having sexual or activity a lot,
Speaker 2: that's completely different versus someone who has a lot of
Speaker 2: sexual activity and still is not nutting. And so I
Speaker 2: don't know why I said it so funny.
Speaker 3: Women need to not do Women also need to practice
Speaker 3: this now because we don't ejaculate, so we're not like,
Speaker 3: so what it requires a band to create? Semen like
Speaker 3: that the life essence, like literally the blood, it's imagine,
Speaker 3: it's it's to make, it's to procreate. So it's taking
Speaker 3: all the best from all of your organs. And so
Speaker 3: it's depleting him every time he does it. But for women,
Speaker 3: we don't nut like that, so it doesn't it's not
Speaker 3: the same thing. But it's such a it's such a
Speaker 3: part of the lineage that we practice that. Like I
Speaker 3: told him, like I haven't really taught Orlando like I should,
Speaker 3: and so every time he nets, I feel like, so
Speaker 3: I feel guilt because I understand. I understand now, like
Speaker 3: what that actually means, and I'm like, oh god, I
Speaker 3: gotta do better because my kids are being.
Speaker 5: Wasted inside me for no reason.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but it's it's a deep, deep spiritual practice.
Speaker 3: And I think once you understand the spiritual side of it,
Speaker 3: then like the sexual side automatically evolves and like grows.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've learned a lot today. Guys.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that he's here because I'm trying to talk
Speaker 3: to all my friends about it, and they're just like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's medicine.
Speaker 2: No, we just gotta start appreciating. And then they just
Speaker 2: be like one day they gonna come at you and
Speaker 2: be like me, La, something different, it was goodie, And
Speaker 2: then and then their ears are opened up.
Speaker 3: A little more. I'm passionate about I'm passionate about it.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 4: Do you have an affirmation that you can share with
Speaker 4: her our tribe?
Speaker 2: Do have affirmation to share with the drive les ask
Speaker 2: our guests?
Speaker 4: Then maybe you have something that's I don't know, maybe trick,
Speaker 4: maybe or maybe not.
Speaker 2: Okay, It's simple. When you ever have a thought that
Speaker 2: you don't like, or I thought that you've been on,
Speaker 2: you've been holding off for too long and it's not
Speaker 2: a good thought, just have positive thought, positive speech, positive action.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's simple.
Speaker 3: Positive thought, positive speech, positive action. Good mine, good one.
Speaker 3: I like that we pulled a card Okay, I think
Speaker 3: I've gotten this one recently.
Speaker 1: I've got that with a lot of trauma. Okay.
Speaker 3: It says heartbreak, emotional pain, sorrow, grief, hurt.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's what I pulled it?
Speaker 1: Was it upright?
Speaker 2: Mic?
Speaker 3: Maybe this is for someone in the collective. Well. The
Speaker 3: three of the words turns up in a taroor reading,
Speaker 3: it signals that you are feeling deeply hurt and disappointed.
Speaker 3: Your heart has been pierced by the sharp blades of
Speaker 3: others hurtful words, actions, and intentions, and they have inflicted
Speaker 3: intense emotions of pain, sadness, grief, and heartbreak. These events
Speaker 3: are unexpected and come out of the blue, making them
Speaker 3: even more painful. The three of swords is also about
Speaker 3: an emotional release when you have suffered a major setback
Speaker 3: or loss, now's an excellent time to have a good cry.
Speaker 3: Expressing your sadness is part of the cleansing process, and
Speaker 3: letting it all out will help you move on to
Speaker 3: better times. Allow yourself the opportunity to experience these emotions
Speaker 3: no matter how painful. Cry, shout, or scream at the
Speaker 3: top of your lungs. Do whatever it takes to express
Speaker 3: your anger or pain. As this will help you emotion
Speaker 3: your emotions flow through you and out of you. However,
Speaker 3: it is essential that you continue to focus on the
Speaker 3: path ahead. You may run the risk of becoming so
Speaker 3: absorbed in the emotions swirling around you that you lose
Speaker 3: sight of the need to just let go and move on.
Speaker 2: I think that I have a fifteen step process to
Speaker 2: becoming the main un becoming, and I just finished three steps,
Speaker 2: and so I think that that is the dying of
Speaker 2: that owed me and growing into the new me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not even then, it's just being this
Speaker 3: time of the year, but I feel like I resonate
Speaker 3: with that too. I don't know if it's just like
Speaker 3: graduating and going through like that initiation and like he
Speaker 3: I had a like intense release and it was extremely
Speaker 3: emotional and vulnerable in school during testing, which I literally
Speaker 3: was talking shit about, like they were talking about last testing,
Speaker 3: and like somebody started just having some kind of crazy
Speaker 3: screen like she had to stop testing, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what in the fucking what would ever permit someone to
Speaker 3: be screaming during testing? And then it just so happened
Speaker 3: that I was a bitch screaming and crying during testing
Speaker 3: and my dear friend Mike was here supporting me through it,
Speaker 3: and it was it felt like such a heavy release,
Speaker 3: but it also felt extremely intentional, and I felt myself
Speaker 3: tell myself like, don't brush over this, don't make it.
Speaker 3: I was. I felt there's a point I wanted to
Speaker 3: like make a joke and like keep going, and I
Speaker 3: had to tell inside of myself be like, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Just sit here for a minute. And because I was
Speaker 3: at school and I had the tools to like even
Speaker 3: give it a voice and say like what do you
Speaker 3: need from me right now? And that that awareness to
Speaker 3: move through it and transmute it, like days later even
Speaker 3: till now, I feel like it's uh.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was. It was like there was things that happened
Speaker 3: that woke me up in ways that were super necessary.
Speaker 3: And so I just think, like, maybe you're feeling the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, I think when you talk about your friends,
Speaker 2: they'd be like, bitch, what the fuck? Like when you
Speaker 2: talk about this stuff, I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are just numbing. When your numb, you don't even you
Speaker 2: have no recollection of what is you feel me, And
Speaker 2: so I think it's all about just being us and
Speaker 2: becoming in that person and so for me in regards
Speaker 2: to the Three Swords, Yeah, it's just a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of clarity, a lot of gain, wisdom, a
Speaker 2: lot of I'm a different man, so I think that
Speaker 2: you know I'm no longer Mike Larry with the homies.
Speaker 2: Just call me right.
Speaker 1: Where you know.
Speaker 2: I'm just Mike Johnson.
Speaker 3: Was speaking about Deep Tantra and sex. Did you bring
Speaker 3: a horri for ust Mike Johnson?
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson, I know you have some.
Speaker 3: Horror coming to the stage. Mike Johnson. No, I think
Speaker 3: we'll be our stripper in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I mean that in the best way possible. Don't be offended.
Speaker 3: I mean it's the name of a star star baby
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 2: Do I got a horror story, a horrible story?
Speaker 3: No, it could be good. Some horror stories are good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, horror story. Mm hmm. I'm glad it's
Speaker 2: me and not my homies up here talking about me.
Speaker 2: H what horror story do I have? Horrible story? Do
Speaker 2: I have? There was once a point in time in
Speaker 2: my life when I was at a certain location, uh,
Speaker 2: when I was way way younger, that like it was
Speaker 2: really bad because it was like a group of women
Speaker 2: that took a picture. There was a certain percentage that
Speaker 2: I had relations.
Speaker 1: With they were all in one picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple times in that period of my life. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, it was a horrible story. I said that
Speaker 2: the most discreta you took.
Speaker 4: You saw a picture and you had been with most
Speaker 4: of the women in the picture, like.
Speaker 5: A group of friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was just like a thing, and so
Speaker 2: I had to change that. It was a period of
Speaker 2: my life. I'll say like this as I'll say, it was.
Speaker 4: Two years of my You're getting very I'm trying to
Speaker 4: decode what the you're saying pouring outside close girl friends.
Speaker 2: No, So, like I was in I was in Portugal
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: Particular location, I was living.
Speaker 2: In Portrage at the time. I was on a military base.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh And it's only like six hundred people on that base, okay.
Speaker 2: And so therefore, you know, if you're obviously cut down
Speaker 2: from that the people that fet your group, obviously, I mean,
Speaker 2: it was it was just bad. It was like it
Speaker 2: was just a lot it was running through the base.
Speaker 2: It was like a lot of it was like a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: Percent Is there a lot of sex happening on military basis?
Speaker 4: Hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like.
Speaker 2: Es, yes, yeah, it's people that get deployed.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's like the perfect a lot of
Speaker 4: only fans, people in the army that are like you
Speaker 4: can get maybe like they put I don't know, masks
Speaker 4: on or something.
Speaker 3: Wait, am I the only person who ever considered that
Speaker 3: there's crazy organs.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a bunch of boys and girls on them,
Speaker 4: like a camp camping out together for months.
Speaker 2: Okay, it is not just like that.
Speaker 3: There's always some there's always some dark ship that happened
Speaker 3: too to the women, like there's always some strange there's always.
Speaker 1: The more men than women. I know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that even seems like a good environment.
Speaker 2: Honestly, a lot more especially in the Navy.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's hard to have, you know, had
Speaker 4: your pick of the litter when there's mostly there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of women, and I would assume, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, this is the elevator version of me. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to even respond to that.
Speaker 3: You really want to say the old me want to
Speaker 3: say something, but I'm yeah, I feel like you have
Speaker 3: more better horries than that. But I'm gonna let just
Speaker 3: like be shy I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go on Patreon and really spill
Speaker 1: the tea, all.
Speaker 3: Right, patre So it could be thirty thousand less people
Speaker 3: in our business. That might be better. Well, maybe we'll
Speaker 3: do a little after dark real quick. Thank you for
Speaker 3: coming to hang out with us, Mike. I'm so happy
Speaker 3: to finally see you in the United States. Right in
Speaker 3: civilian worlds usually at a tantric.
Speaker 2: Buba Mosquitos and.
Speaker 5: Writing a lot of.
Speaker 3: That sounded weird, But tell the people where they can
Speaker 3: find you.
Speaker 2: If you care to have a conversation, or care to
Speaker 2: have something to say, get it off your chest, or
Speaker 2: just have some advice, you can go to filling scene
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Speaker 2: write in and we have experts in the field doctors,
Speaker 2: clinical therapists, and sexologists to respond to you.
Speaker 4: Amazing and you guys, you know where to find us.
Speaker 4: But more importantly, we're going on tour and we have
Speaker 4: some shows coming up and we're so excited to bring
Speaker 4: our Confessions of a Good Mom to you.
Speaker 1: We're going to.
Speaker 3: Philly, Dallas, DC, New York, So, Charlotte, Houston.
Speaker 1: And there's one more.
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Speaker 1: And is that it?
Speaker 3: That's it?
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