1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer, and let's call this the NFL Draft 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: edition of Unbreakable and obviously the draft this week. And 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: who better to have on than my dude from Fox 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: Sports working for the NFL network this week as well, 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Joe Klatt and Joel's on here for a couple of reasons. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: One to give us our draft information, but number two, 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: he has a story that most people don't know. Joel 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: lives a sober life and the world doesn't know it, 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: and I think it surprises people want to tell them that. 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: But he's going to talk to us about that as well. 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: So Joe Clatt, welcome to the show. 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 3: Brother man. 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be here, so good to be 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 4: with you, man, There's no doubt so. 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: And this is, by the way, so little background. 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: Jay and I don't get to work a lot together, 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 4: even though we're the kind of the under the same roof. 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 4: This is the week that we get to like really 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: dive in and work together, which is always exciting for me. 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: And for years you and I hosted the first Round 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: of Fox Sports Radio until you kind of better deal 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: with us for NFL network. Let's just call it out. 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: That's true. I ge't lie about it. 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: But we still get to hash it out and go 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: through all of our pre draft process. The only downside 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: about getting to do what I do now, which is 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: like go and work on television on the set, is 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: that I don't get to see Jay basically, I guess, 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: lack of a better term, like orchestrating the first round. 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 4: I mean you, Jay has all the information five minutes 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 4: before anybody else does. And to sit there next to 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 4: him and to see that and to see the connections 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: and everything going on with the first round, that's what 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: I miss. 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's the thing look for people out there, 40 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, And I write it in my book I'm Breakable. 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: I talk about relationships, right, everything's relationship based. These guys 42 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: literally tell me who they're going to take days out 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: or the day or you know, ten minutes out or whatever. 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: And I don't took picks, right, we don't. I don't 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: do that because I realized the fans don't like that. 46 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: But Joe will sit in the room. We have it down. 47 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: Joe will sit in the room with me, and I'll 48 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: talk on the phone. And I asked, every time a 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: GM or head coach calls, I have the same intro, 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: right do I normally. 51 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: Say, well, basically, just who do you like? 52 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's not really like hey, fucko me do that. 53 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: And the first time I didn't want to say it. 54 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: I didn't want to say it. 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: I was like it. 56 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: I was like, well, I no, exam fuck intro. I 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: didn't know you if I wanted to say it. 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: Here Now we do it, and you're like, you're talking 59 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: to these guys. Yes, absolutely, It just got to be real, 60 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: got to be authentic. So we've been doing this for 61 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: a long time. And then look, people may also so 62 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Joel Klatt, what makes him such a college football draft group? 63 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: Tell us your background there at Colorado? 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: Well, so my background's a little bit unique in the 65 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: sense that out of high school I actually played baseball 66 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 4: and it was my better and so I was drafted 67 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: jay to play minor league baseball and decided to go 68 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: do that Santygo Padres and went and did that for 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: about three seasons and it was not going well, and 70 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: for reasons that I'll talk about later actually when we 71 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: talk about just like the mental health aspect, the alcoholism 72 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 4: I dealt with. And so I decided, like, man, I 73 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: gotta do something. I gotta change my life. And so 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: I made a life decision, not a sports decision, and 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: went back and said I need to go get a degree. 76 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: Decided to go back to the University of Colorado. Only 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 4: then did I decided, like, I guess I'll walk on 78 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: because I have eligibility. I played football in high school, 79 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: you know that would be cool. And then all of 80 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: a sudden, loan and behold, found myself, you know, starting 81 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: for three years. And so everything from that point on 82 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: in my life has been icing on the cake. And really, 83 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: to be honest with you, I think it's the it's 84 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: the reward for good decisions, to be honest, you know. 85 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: And so then to get into the draft. 86 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: So then I started way. 87 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: But it's pretty amazing he took off three years, walked 88 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: on and it took you what one year then to 89 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: start for the next three. 90 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: I started as a sophomore. 91 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: It's unreal. 92 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: So get this. 93 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: My dad was my high school football coach and he's 94 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: a former Marine right, like he was in Vietnam. He 95 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 4: was the first lieutenant of our artillery division. Wow and yes. 96 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: And so he made it known like you're not going 97 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 4: to start at quarterback until you're a senior. And I'd 98 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: be like, well, I'm like really, like come on, you know, 99 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: like I would like to get recruited. And he's just like, sorry, 100 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you, Like, I'm not 101 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 4: going to play you over anybody that's older. 102 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: So I started. 103 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 4: I started one year of high school football as a 104 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 4: quarterback and three years as a quarterback in college. So 105 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: I started more at Colorado than I did at Pomona 106 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 4: High School. 107 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: In our back at Colorado. 108 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: For you ever go back and say, Dad, you really 109 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: screw this? 110 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Yes, all the time, and he always says to Jay, 111 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: he says the same thing. 112 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: He's like, well it worked out for you, didn't it. 113 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: And I'm like, you're right, all right, you're right. 114 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: You were part of a bounty, yes, right, yes. 115 00:04:59,160 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 3: Yes, okay. 116 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: You know if you go back to early two thousands, 117 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, four two 118 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: thousand and five, we played University of Miami in a 119 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: non conference game at their place in September of five. 120 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: And this was, by the way, it was fairly close 121 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: to when Katrino was coming in the Gulf that fall 122 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: of five. But I digress. What ends up happening is 123 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: we play Miami. Years later, there's an article on Yahoo 124 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 4: News talking about bounty gate. You know how Nevin Shapiro, 125 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 4: the booster at the University of Miami was paying guys 126 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: like John Beeson and Brandon Meriweather and all these guys 127 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: bounties on opponent's head and lo and behold in the 128 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: article is like Joel Klatt, quarterback in Colorado. You know, 129 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 4: John Beeson basically knocked him out of the game. He 130 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 4: got five hundred dollars. And I was like, yes, I 131 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 4: made it like I had a bounty. But then Jay, 132 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: I was so proud, right, I was so proud. But 133 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: here's the worst part about it is that later in 134 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: the article I realized that Chris Ricks, the Floor's state quarterback, 135 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: had a thousand dollars bounty. 136 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: So I'm like, I didn't even have the best bounty. 137 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: So it like brought me down a little bit. 138 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: Well, you're pissed at that a bounty on you? Did? 139 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: They knock you out out? 140 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: Almost yes. 141 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I got concussed in that game. I 142 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: ended up getting a turf toe injury in that game. 143 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: And then there's this Actually you can google this, by 144 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: the way, just google Klatt gets blown up and it's 145 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: it's the play against Miami in which John Beeson basically 146 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: supplexes me. I'm chasing down a guy who had recovered 147 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: a fumble and I'm trying to chase him down and 148 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: tackle him before he scores. And I look back like 149 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: this and Beeson just like lifts me up from under 150 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: my arm, and all of a sudden, I'm on his 151 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: shoulder and then I'm hitting the ground and rolling. And 152 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: Shapiro paid him five hundred bucks for that. 153 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Did you ever talk to John Beson. 154 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: I've never talked to him about it. 155 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: Really good, dude, I'm sure. 156 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: I'm hey. Good for him. I'm like, I wish you 157 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: would have gotten collected several times. 158 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: That's the credit, right. Let's dive it in the draft 159 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: little bit here before we go to some more of 160 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: your story. Give me the five players that you think 161 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: or can't miss. 162 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: Oh that's a good, good question. Let me start with this. 163 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: I think it's a good draft. Not a great draft. 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: That's what I started, you know when we first talked 165 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: about that. 166 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: Do you think it's not great because the nil more 167 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: people are players decide now to stay in because they 168 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: get paid in college instead of to. 169 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: Get paid not necessarily. 170 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 4: I actually think it's it's more just they got caught 171 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: in a cycle where you had Let's put it this way, 172 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: there's guys that have to stay in college football this 173 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: year that would all be the best player at their 174 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: position in miss Harrison Williams. 175 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 176 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: Even the guy like Drake May the quarterback in North Carolina, 177 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: Brock Bauers the tight end at Georgia, And so that 178 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: makes it, you know, just the depth isn't quite there. 179 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: So there's probably fifteen to eighteen guys that are like 180 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 4: true bona fide first round guys. But I do think 181 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: that there are five guys that are stars in this draft. 182 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: And so here's the five names that I will give you, 183 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: and the three names that all the teams would probably 184 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: give you would be Bryce Young, Bijeon Robinson, and Jalen Carter. 185 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: Those three guys are probably the best players in the 186 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: draft now, players in the draft. 187 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: Now, it was talent that's exactly right. 188 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: There are some questions about Jalen Carter because of off 189 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: the field stuff. Showed up to his pro day out 190 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: of shape, things that you know, I'm sure, and that's. 191 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: A huge problem for me. Like, if you know I 192 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: wasn't the combine because of a legal issue, how are 193 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: you not busting your ass to make sure when you 194 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: go to your pro day? That's right, you're in great shape. 195 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: Right, that's right, And that's going to remove him from 196 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: a lot of teams boards altogether. Now it only takes 197 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 4: one to say, like that doesn't matter to us, and 198 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: we'll take you. And his talent is off the charts. 199 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: He can be a dominant force as the defensive tackle. 200 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: Jon Robinson's the best running back in the draft. He's 201 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: the best non quarterback offensive player in the draft. I 202 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: covered him a lot, love bijon. What I love about 203 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: him Jay is that he produced at a really high 204 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: level with a bad offensive line and never said boo 205 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: about it. Catches it well out of the backfield. Almost 206 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: McCaffrey esque in terms of his ability to catch it 207 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: out of the backfield, home run hitter on the outside. 208 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: And then Bryce Young, the quarterback at Alabama, I think 209 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 4: I think. 210 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: Bryce is I get it. 211 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: He's short, right, he's five ten maybe eleven, and that's 212 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 4: a problem. 213 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that it's not. 214 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 4: But when you watch, I was gonna say, oh, man, 215 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 4: one man's problem is another dream. He is so smart, 216 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: really smart guy processes information incredibly fast. On the field, 217 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: he's in total control. He plays with a calm, slow heartbeat. 218 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: He's really accurate. And then when his best is needed. 219 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: See great players. I've always said, like the mark of 220 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: a great player is that can you be great when 221 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: greatness is needed? There are guys that can fill the 222 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 4: stat sheet, you know when it's just like games out 223 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: of hand or but when the chips are in the 224 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 4: middle of the table, what do you do as a player? Well, 225 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 4: this guy played his best when the chips were in 226 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: the middle of the table. That's why I like him. 227 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: A couple of other guys that I would just throw 228 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: out there. Will Anderson. Love Will Anderson, the edge player 229 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: from Alabama, edge rusher from Alabama. He's a true alpha 230 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 4: that would run the practice even with the whole all 231 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: the structure at Alabama. This is the type of guy 232 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: that would like stop practice, kick a guy off the field. 233 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 4: I mean Nick Sabanson there. He's the greatest coach in 234 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: the history of the sport. And Will Anderson would take 235 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: it upon himself to do things like that. I love that, right, 236 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: a guy out of. 237 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Practice for fucking around. 238 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, maybe it's a misdassignment. That is just 239 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: a bonehead, knucklehead. I know you didn't prepare. I know 240 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: you haven't watched film. Get out of here, you know. 241 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: And so he's a standard holder, which I really love. 242 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: And now I would say, maybe the last guy is 243 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 4: not a can't miss. So I'm gonna I'm gonna stray 244 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: from your original question. But the most intriguing is Anthony Richardson, 245 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: this quarterback from Florida, just because of his high end potential. 246 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 4: If Richardson were to ever develop into an efficient passer, 247 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: his athleticism would then make him the most dangerous player 248 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: on the field. 249 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: You know. 250 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: So that's a huge if. 251 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: So let's say you have a top five pick. You're 252 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: putting a huge risk into an if a guy could 253 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: become a really accurate passer, and the only way for 254 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: him to really do that is to give him a 255 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: bunch of reps. But you can't give him reps in 256 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 2: the first year or two. 257 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's a difficult proposition for Richardson because 258 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: he really only played one year, so he really only 259 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: has just under four hundred passing attempts in college. And 260 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: you know, I've done this whole long deep dive. I'm 261 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: a spreadsheet guy, so I'm such a nerd. So I've 262 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: got this spreadsheet of all the quarterbacks since Brady won 263 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: his first Super Bowl. Jay, I've got a list of 264 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: all the quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls. And what 265 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: I did is I went back and I said, give 266 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: me cumulative what their numbers were in their college careers, 267 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: not the NFL, but their college career. So what were 268 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: they coming out just from an experience standpoint. And here's 269 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: what you see is that most guys that go on 270 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: to win Super Bowls, on average, they've started over thirty games, 271 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: attempted close to a thousand passes, completed close to seven 272 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 4: hundred passes, and have some more over fifty touchdowns in 273 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: their career in college football. 274 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: So when a guy comes out. 275 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: And he's really only played for a year and he's 276 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: attempted less than four hundred passes, it's a big if, right, 277 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 4: this was the whole problem that guys like I had 278 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: with Trey Lance, and that's kind of bearing out in 279 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: San Francisco. 280 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Now here's a couple of guys I like, 281 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: for can'tus love Nolan Smith? Love? 282 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Georgia, Yes, love him love. 283 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: I just think he is again you talk about that alpha, 284 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: that leader, and you know, right when Jalen Carter kind 285 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: of during his pro day was Nolan Smith who's trying 286 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: to problem up and I just love what he could 287 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: bring to the table. Christian Gonzales was like, man, he 288 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: looks perfect for a corner, right. It looked like he 289 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: was number one bona fide. Now Devin Witherspoon from Illinois, 290 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: when you talk to teams, they're kind of he's really 291 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: kind of shot up. It's kind of split him now, 292 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: which wasn't the case about a week or a go. 293 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: And just so people understand, okay, and Joel could attest this, 294 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: so I don't do a mock draft, right because when 295 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: teams tell me, hey, Glaze, this is who we're taking, 296 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: but you can't tell people. I'm not gonna lie to 297 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: the world and put down a name. I know is 298 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: it going there? Right? And Joel knows they tell me, 299 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: you know, days out. I can't betray anybody's trust, so 300 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't do a mock drafts. But the other thing, too, 301 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: is everybody who does mock drafts, dang, these people don't 302 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: know what the fuck they're doing. They don't like these 303 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: teams don't know what the fuck they're doing, literally until 304 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: this week, and sometimes until the day over, the day before, 305 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: like everybody thinks, oh man, after the combine, these things 306 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: are said, or after these these workouts and meeting, and 307 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: it's just not the case. So what happens is teams 308 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: go in, they start setting their board. They really don't 309 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: have it set until kind of last week, let's say, 310 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: and then they this week they put themselves through mock drafts, 311 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: so several so once they have these mock drafts, then 312 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: they start to mess with their board again. And I've 313 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: been in war rooms. I've been in there before, and 314 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: I've seen how much, you know, things could could move around. 315 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 2: I'll give you a great story or two. Gang, what 316 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys were set to draft Sean Merriman. We're 317 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: all set, and all of a sudden I get a 318 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: call from some of the Cowboys back then said, hey, 319 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: we're kind of hearing certain things. He checked us out 320 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: this and that and said, yeah, I'll here. Sure. Oh no, 321 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: they said, have you heard this? I said, I haven't 322 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: heard this not They said, yeah, we may be blopping 323 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: over to Marcus Ware. They said, okay. So this was 324 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: the night before the draft. And then later on that 325 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: night I said, forget what we said we're taking with 326 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: Sean Merriman. The next morning we wake up and they said, 327 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: we switched switch over to Marcus Square. So they were 328 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: all set to take Sean Merriman the day of the draft, 329 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: and then switched it the day of the draft. Obviously 330 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: worked out pretty damn well for the Dallas Cowboys. Good 331 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Just so you know, that's how much these teams do 332 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: flip toward the end. And like I've talked to teams 333 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: right now, talk about Jayleen Carter who told me we're 334 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: probably not going to know, we're really really going to 335 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: think about him until the night before the draft. That's 336 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: what we're going to dive in more. Yeah. 337 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what's so fascinating. And this one's interesting 338 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: because I don't think that this is really all that 339 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: set in stone. After Carolina takes. I think we all anticipate, 340 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: anticipate them taking Bryce Young and then after that, you know, 341 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: Houston's a bit of a wild card. We're hearing that CJ. 342 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: Stroud might slide a little bit. He's a guy that 343 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time around. 344 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: Why do you think and what do you think of? 345 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: Well, those are two different things, right Like, Yeah, I 346 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: like Stroud a lot. I've been around him more than 347 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: anybody else in this whole process, right and I've done 348 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 4: eight of his games. I saw his third practice in 349 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: his first spring as a starter, I saw his first start, 350 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: I saw his second or last game. I've seen the 351 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: guy grow up in college. I'm very close with Ryan Day, 352 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: right Like, I know that Ryan is a little higher 353 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: on CJ. Stroud at this point going into the draft 354 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: than he was for either Dwayne Haskins or Justin Fields. 355 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: He thinks that CJ is more ready from a schematics standpoint. 356 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: His his arm talent is undeniable. Yes, it's there and 357 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: makes every throw. He's accurate. Opposing defensive coordinators, they would 358 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: marvel at his ability to understand what coverage you're in 359 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: and then attack it. And that's not what you're hearing 360 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: now this smoke screen being thrown up. Maybe it's a 361 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: smoke screen from Houston trying to signal to people that 362 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: they're not definitely going to take him and that that 363 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: pick might be available, why don't you come on up 364 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: and get him. So because of that, there's there's this 365 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: smoke about Bryce Young. Then the S two cognitive test 366 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: scores starts to get leaked out there, and now everyone's 367 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 4: singing themselves like, well, now you can't take CJ. Stroud 368 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: because of this cognitive test. And I'm not going to 369 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 4: sit here and bash the S two test. I don't 370 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: know a lot about it, to be quite frank with you, 371 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: I've never taken the S two test. I know that 372 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: it God, it's genesis in baseball. It was really a 373 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: test for hitters to see how fast they can process 374 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 4: and recognize pitches. And then it moved over to the 375 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: NFL about seven years ago. Jay, and it's a series. 376 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 2: First year we're hearing about it. We never heard of it? 377 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: Is it is? 378 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: But there's been It's been going on for about seven 379 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: years in the league in this process, from the time 380 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: like the first teams adopted till now I'm hearing that 381 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: there's about half the league. 382 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: You might know. 383 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: You'd probably know better than I do. Maybe it's more 384 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: than that. There are some people that really like it. 385 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 4: Here's the argument is that we've seen guys have great 386 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: scores on the S two and not do well in 387 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 4: the NFL. 388 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: But what we haven't seen. 389 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 4: Is a guy not do well on the S two 390 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: and then succeed in the league, so that they feel 391 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 4: like it is a red flag. 392 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: Some some people do. Now here's what I'll say. 393 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 4: It's a test that asks a series of of It's 394 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: not a question based test, but more of a picture 395 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 4: based test. So for example, it might give you a 396 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: series of nine pictures that flash on the screen. Okay, 397 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: it's kind of a virtual test that you're taking, almost 398 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: like a video game. And you'll get a series of 399 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 4: nine pictures and then the question will come up and 400 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 4: say like what was the third picture? Was the fifth picture? 401 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: What was the seventh picture? And how quickly you can 402 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: answer those is measuring your quote cognitive ability. It'll give 403 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: you a series of words like blue, red, yellow, and 404 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 4: the color of those words will be different than what 405 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: the color of the word is, right, so the word 406 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: blue will be red, and how quickly, can you, you know, 407 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: touch the red button saying like that color is red. 408 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: And so it's a series of all this, and it's 409 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 4: measuring how quick down the middle of the seconds you react. 410 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what else I think is being held 411 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: against him a little bit. We're talking about how great 412 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: his his arm is and how accurate he is, and 413 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: you know, he can make every throw no matter where 414 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: it is in a field because his receivers are so great. 415 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: You think it's getting held aainst him a little bit, like, well, 416 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: they're always the exact He's always trying to open people. 417 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: But you know it's kind of yes, they are always open, right, 418 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: So it's not like, well he's had a thread defenders 419 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: for it, but they're almost holding that again, and they're 420 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: not taking a new cat one. Look his workouts, he's 421 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: been phenomenal. 422 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 4: Throw He throws it as well as anybody I've heard. 423 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: I've had a couple of teams say, like his combine 424 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 4: workout throwing the ball was as good as they've seen. 425 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: And what is he supposed to do? 426 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 4: His guys are open and then he hits them, you know, 427 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: I mean that's the offense he's in. Obviously he had 428 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: great wide receivers, Marvin Harrison Junior being one of them, 429 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and Jigba guy who's in this draft was 430 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 4: one of them a couple of years ago. And then 431 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 4: he threw to a couple of guys in his first 432 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: year as a starter who really did well in the 433 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: NFL last year, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. 434 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's all being held against him. I will say. 435 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: This, this test, this S two test, is asking me 436 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 4: to not believe my eyes when I watch the film 437 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: and I watch him process information quickly and choose trajectories 438 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: and different velocities and do all the things that this 439 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: test is trying to tell me he doesn't do well, 440 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: and he is doing them well. So you know, am 441 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: I going to put a lot of stock into it? 442 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: No? Do I think he should be taken with the 443 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: second overall pick. 444 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: Yes? 445 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: Is it going to be Houston? I'm not sure. 446 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: So let me tell you a receiver that I love. 447 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: You tell me where you have them. He loves a. 448 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 3: Flowers, Oh yes, I love Zay Flowers. 449 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 4: Competitiveness, Yes, Now it's it's a draft for wide receivers. 450 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: Jay. 451 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 3: That is well, it's two ends of the spectrum. 452 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: You have guys that are definitely outside receivers and then 453 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: definitely slot receivers, and Zay is one of these slot receivers, 454 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 4: along with guys like Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison. 455 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: Zay is a guy that I love. 456 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: Listen. 457 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: I've loved his. 458 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: Story for a long time, even when I'm just you know, 459 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: covering him from a foreign college football. He's the eleventh 460 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: of fourteen kids. Fourteen kids, right. Unfortunately, he lost his 461 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 4: mother back in two thousand and five. 462 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: She passed away. He was raised largely by his dad. 463 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 4: He has lost a sibling, one of his brothers, to 464 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: gun violence. Like so, he's been through through a lot. 465 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 4: Goes to Boston College. Wasn't recruited all that highly. But again, 466 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: I mean he's he's one of fourteen kids, right, It's 467 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: not like he's going to go to all these camps 468 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 4: and be highly recruited. 469 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: He goes to Boston College. 470 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: Well, he's good enough, especially with the transfer portal and 471 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: nil name, image and likeness. He could have gone anywhere 472 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 4: in the country for some hefty money and he stayed 473 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 4: at Boston College. 474 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: He's a loyal team. It wasn't much that's I. 475 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: Said, like he could have gone somewhere else to a 476 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: winning program and said, no, I'm going to be loyal 477 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: and stick to these guys. That for me is that's 478 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: the makeup of somebody. 479 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: And Jeff Haffley, his head coach, would say, like Zay 480 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 4: would be out there down two scores, blocking his butt 481 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: off on run plays, tears in his eyes after the game, 482 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: after losses every single week because he cared so much. 483 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: That's the type of guy you want in your locker room. 484 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: Tell me somebody you love that'll go from ten to twenty, 485 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: and then I want you to tell me somebody you 486 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: love that will go from twenty to thirty one. 487 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 4: Okay, let's see a guy that I really love that 488 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: I think is in that ten to twenty. Is Dalton Kincaid, 489 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: the tight end from Utah. Oh he's a really good 490 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 4: player and he might even go higher than that. I 491 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 4: doubt it, but there's talk right now. Some teams really 492 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: love Dalton Kincaid. He was a basketball player mainly growing up, 493 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 4: and admittedly so, I think that's why people shy away 494 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: from him in recruiting, which is why he ended up 495 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 4: at San Diego. Not San Diego State, but like the 496 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 4: you know, the Jim Harbaugh San Diego team, and then 497 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: he transferred to Utah and he was the most productive 498 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: tied end of the country last year. Good flex basketball 499 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 4: on grass style player. So I like him ten to 500 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 4: twenty he's one of my favorites. And then twenty to 501 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: like thirty one. Oh that's a great question. Okay, I 502 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: got I got one. Brian Branch, the safety from Alabama. 503 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: He's one of my favorite players. 504 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: In this makeup. D Patrick esque. 505 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely really smart, not same guy, but really smart. 506 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: Played. 507 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 4: They played the same position at Alabama, kind of that 508 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: star safety position. So he can cover Nickel in the slot, 509 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: he can play down if they need to against the run, 510 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: he can play the post safety. And he's smart, I 511 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: mean really smart. Some of the coaches on that staff 512 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 4: said to me they won't be shocked if he knows 513 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 4: the defense better than some of the veterans in camp, 514 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 4: like right away, because he's that smart. 515 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: He understands the game. So I'll go with Brian Branch. 516 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: What do we think of Hendon Hooker. 517 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: I like Hendon Hooker. He's just old, I. 518 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: Mean, but it shouldn't matter. Hey, from a guy who 519 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: missed three years, right, and came back and started after 520 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: one year away. Right. I don't think the quarterback position 521 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: matters as much if you're coming in at twenty five 522 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: or twenty six, because these guys played. 523 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: If you get ten years at him, which you can, yeah, 524 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 4: like it's worth it. Yeah, on this day and age. 525 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: You know the way quarterbacks are protected, You're exactly right, 526 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 4: it's not as big of a deal. I mean, look 527 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 4: at Brady didn't really become a starter until he was, 528 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: you know, a little older, if you will. So here's 529 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 4: the deal for Hendon Hooker. This guy was in the 530 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: same recruiting class as Tua, right, just to give you 531 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 4: a sense of like this gap. Because of the COVID 532 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: year and some injury issues, it's taken him a while 533 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: to go on the field. He transfers from Virginia Tech, 534 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 4: goes to Tennessee, and then he's in this offense that 535 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: is kind of wide receiver centric, and he's asked to 536 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: make post snap downfield reads based on what the wide 537 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: receiver going to do because it's a choice route on 538 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 4: the outside and he's throwing the ball down the field 539 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: j right, Like, these are not short routes, and yet 540 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: he set a completion percentage record at the University at Tennessee, right, Like, 541 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 4: that's not a small accomplishment to throw the ball that 542 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: well down the field. I really love his makeup. He's 543 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 4: a good leader. I think that he's a guy that 544 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: can have success. And I know he's going to have 545 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: to heal up after this ACL surgery. He tore his ACL. 546 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 4: He could have won the Heisman. You know, if he 547 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 4: would have, when's the Heisman? 548 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: Where do we think, never toars ACL he ends up 549 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: winning the Heisman, where do we think we're talking about 550 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: him getting picked? 551 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: I would guess that we would be talking about him 552 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty now, Like is he going to sneak 553 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: into the first round? 554 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: Really? So you think he'd still go down there? I 555 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: thought if he won the Heisman, I think he'd I 556 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: don't know, I think he would have been kind of 557 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: more of a bona five Top. 558 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: Teams really like him. 559 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 4: I would imagine that they really like him makeup wise, yeah, yeah. 560 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's the same thing, Like, you know, Tennessee's 561 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: offense is really not conducive to the NFL, But man, 562 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: his kind of work ethic, you think he's going to 563 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: work himself into it right, And I like one of 564 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: the things he said. He said, yeah, I'm older, that 565 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: makes me more of a leader. 566 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 4: That's right, more mature. Yeah, that's right, and he is 567 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: and he is a. 568 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: Couple of the guys I really like you have him 569 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: thirty and thirty one Elijah Kanci mm hmm. Maybe because 570 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: he's short, but I love him. But I think he's 571 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: again Aaron Donald. Look, I do hate that we do that, 572 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: but he is comfortable, right, He's went to the same school. 573 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: Short guy, but he's relentless, right, he is so relentless 574 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: and great work ethic, and man, I just think that 575 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: he's gonna he's gonna come in with a chip and 576 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: I just think he's gonna recavoc. 577 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: I love the fact that he's so productive. 578 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 4: You rarely get these guys on the interior of the 579 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: defensive line that can produce like Aaron Donald has produced. Right, 580 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 4: And so yeah, there's gonna be a lot of similarities 581 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 4: because of their college team and height. By the way, 582 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 4: and Aaron Donald's not three hundred pounds, you know, or 583 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 4: at least wasn't when he was coming out of pit. 584 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 4: This guy Cancey runs a four to sixty seven and 585 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 4: the forty. Like he's fast, he's lateral, and he's played 586 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 4: I think he played thirty I want to say, thirty 587 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 4: eight games or thirty seven games at PITT and he 588 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: had thirty eight tackles for loss, so almost to tackle 589 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: for loss per game. From the interior. Like he's a 590 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 4: disruptive guy. First unanimous All American at pit since Aaron Donald. 591 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: I really like him. And I'm looking at the Lions. 592 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: By the way, that second pick in the first round, 593 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 4: I feel like the Lions might take a swing at 594 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: if they don't take Jalen Carter. 595 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, which I think they Hawks might take 596 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: Jalen Carter. 597 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 2: But even that, you got to look at and go, man, 598 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: the troubles that the Lions just had will that effect 599 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: they lost James and Williams, Right, they're won from last 600 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: year and that's right, Well, does that now affect how 601 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: they go in this draft? Saying we have to make 602 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: sure we get guys we're so incredibly clean that you 603 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: can't have a problem. 604 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: Well, and in particular, I still think like Jalen is 605 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 4: a wild card. I think he fits better in Seattle 606 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 4: because of Pete than Detroit because of what they just 607 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 4: went through both teams could use, could use him, And 608 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 4: I just get the sense that Pete believes in himself 609 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: and his culture and that he could bring a guy 610 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 4: like Jalen in and not fix him, but at least 611 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 4: create an environment where Jalen can flourish. 612 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: It's one of the things that's great about Pete is 613 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: he does believe he can kind of resurrect everybody or 614 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: get the best version of people. 615 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: I think that was the college coaching. 616 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: He's the ultimately optimist. Yeah. Yes, the other guy. You 617 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: have him next thirty one, and there's a lot of 618 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: edge rushers in this draft a lot. I like him 619 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: higher than thirty one. That's Will McDonald from Iowa State. 620 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 4: So I'm so fascinated to see how fast edge rushers 621 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 4: come off the board, because I could see a scenario 622 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 4: where Will is not drafted in the first round. I 623 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: could see a scenario where he is drafted in the 624 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 4: first round depending on how fast some of these other 625 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: guys that are maybe above him get taken. Now, he's 626 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: late bloomer. He didn't really play football until he was 627 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 4: a junior in high school, so he's kind of lightly recruited. 628 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 4: He goes to Iowa State, and every single year he 629 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: gets better and better and better. Until twenty twenty one 630 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 4: he has eleven and a half sacks. You know, like 631 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: the guy was dominant. Now his production dipped off just 632 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: a little bit. 633 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: This is because they had a weird fucking scheme that 634 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: didn't fit him. 635 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 4: The scheme didn't really fit him. And then also Jay, 636 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: I would just say, similar to Will Anderson, everybody focused 637 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 4: their entire protection plan on Will McDonald, who faced Iowa 638 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: State very similar to Alabama. Why did Will Anderson's production 639 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 4: go down? Well, they rotated him a little bit more. 640 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 4: His percentage of pressures stayed high in terms of the 641 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: snaps he was on the field, but the protection plan 642 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 4: was generally focused on him from the opponent. 643 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: Anybody else you want to talk about before we shift 644 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: to your story. 645 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a great I mean there's always so 646 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 4: many guys, right. 647 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: And there'll be guys that Yeah, they start going open 648 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: up this again. I can't stress this enough that people 649 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: were listening these next seventy two hours. 650 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: Guy move dramatically, Yeah, dramatically. Here's one my last one, 651 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 4: one of my favorites. Zach Sharboney, the running back at UCLA, Yes, 652 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 4: love Zach sharbonay. He's not gonna get taken in the 653 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: first round. He's a grown man. He'll get selected on 654 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: Day two, second or third round, I think. And he's 655 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: going to make somebody better. 656 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: He is. 657 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 4: He's a quiet guy, but a strong leader. Transferred from 658 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: Michigan back to his hometown. He played at Oaks Christian 659 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: and High School up in the valley and transferred back 660 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: YEP in California and transferred back to play at UCLA 661 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 4: in large part because his sister, Bella has william Syndrome, 662 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 4: which is a developmental disorder, but she is high energy, 663 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: special needs and Zach wanted to be around her, near 664 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: her and help her. And so he comes back to UCLA. 665 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: After leading the team in rushing as a true freshman 666 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: for the Michigan Wolverines, come to the UCLA. He's got 667 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 4: back to back thousand yard seasons. He's just a man 668 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 4: like understands responsibility. He's tough, he's big, he's physical, he's 669 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: good on the field. 670 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: I love Zach sharpaannak. 671 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: Is there anybody in the top ten that you know 672 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: you think will go top ten? You're like, eh, I 673 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't touch him, or I'm just not as high on 674 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: him as everybody else. 675 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: I mean, for me, that's Jalen Carter. 676 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: Right. 677 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 4: If I'm a decision maker, I would be one of 678 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 4: the guys that didn't have Jalen Carter on the board. 679 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: Juice is not worth the squeeze to me, So that 680 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: would be it. Other than that, Like, there's a lot 681 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 4: of really good, good leaders. Good player you brought up. 682 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 4: Nolan Smith, I love him, Michael Meher the tight end, 683 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: I love him, Jordan Addison, I love it. Like there's 684 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 4: a lot of guys that I really like in this draft. 685 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: I think it's a good draft too. I think, man, 686 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: the value in this draft in the second round is phenomenal. 687 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic, Which is why I think once we get 688 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 4: to like fifteen j sixteen, seventeen, you're gonna I think 689 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: teams are going to use the entire clock trying to 690 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: trade out at the same. 691 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: Right though, again, because there's certain guys that, oh man, 692 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: I'll kind of fall in love with these guys. We 693 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: have him in the top fifteen, and I think you'll 694 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: start seeing guys try to move up if during the 695 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, those players are down in the 696 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 2: twenties that'll be it. I think you have a lot 697 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: of action, all right. So, you know, a lot of 698 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: people don't know about Joel. I do. So the other 699 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: thing we do when Joel comes out and we'll sit 700 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: in the hotel room, I'll make all my phone calls 701 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: and he'll make his calls. Is I usually crack open 702 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: a bottle of wine. And Joel never ever, ever, ever, 703 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: ever partook. And one day I said, hey, do you 704 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: and he said no, I'm a sober guy. I said, really, 705 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: why so? And when I've told other people about it, 706 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: because you're cool to be telling him, they're shocked about it. So, 707 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: you know, again, this is your story. It is a 708 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: mental health podcast. Also, this is part of it. So 709 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: I want you to tell your story how you want 710 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: it told. 711 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 4: Let me give you the shortest version and then I'll 712 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 4: go in and get back to the shortest version. Is 713 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: that I am sober because I was way too good 714 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 4: at drinking. So the first steps, as anyone will say say, 715 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 4: is recognizing and realizing that you have a problem. And 716 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 4: so when I you know, think back on my story, 717 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 4: you know, the first domino for me was recognizing that 718 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 4: I was an alcoholic, you know, and putting that label 719 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 4: on it. So let me go back to one of 720 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: the things that we first talked about, which was the 721 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 4: fact that I played minor league baseball and I wasn't 722 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 4: ready or mature enough for that jay because I was 723 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: all of a sudden given a good signing bonus, and 724 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, two weeks after my high 725 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 4: school graduation, I'm living in a hotel in Phoenix, playing 726 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 4: minor league baseball with all the freedom in the world. 727 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 4: There are not the structures of college athletics at that point. 728 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: It's like van leaves at six am. You know, early 729 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: work is at six forty five, and other than that, 730 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 4: it's like do whatever you want. Well, that environment was 731 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 4: not conducive for me, and when you throw onto that 732 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 4: that for the first time in my life, I started 733 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: to struggle as an apple fleet. 734 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: Right, all of a sudden. 735 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 4: I had been this very good and successful high school 736 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 4: athlete and my and you know, youth athlete, and then 737 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 4: all of. 738 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: A sudden, you get out there with a wood bat. 739 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 4: Guys are throwing the ball harder, breaking balls are breaking harder, 740 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 4: and I'm not hitting five hundred anymore. Now I'm struggling 741 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: to hit two hundred or two fifty. And so my 742 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: identity at that point, which was wrapped up in my 743 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 4: success as an athlete, was being challenged. I numbed that 744 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: pain with alcohol. 745 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: Did you drink in high school? Did you start? 746 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 4: I did in high school, and and it became a 747 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 4: bigger issue as I got later into high school. But 748 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: then definitely in minor league baseball is when it became 749 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 4: a big issue, and it started to be rather than 750 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: just in you know, in high school, I would I 751 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 4: would do it socially on the weekends and kind of 752 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: with your buddies and at parties. And then all of 753 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 4: a sudden it turned into something that became more of 754 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 4: a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism. And that's the 755 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 4: transition that ended up, you know, sending me in a 756 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 4: pretty poor direction for a number of years. And so 757 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 4: what ends up happening, Jay, in my story is that, 758 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 4: you know, I end up leaving baseball in part because 759 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 4: of the amount I'm drinking. I try to curb it. 760 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 4: I go back and I start to play football. It's 761 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 4: and it's pretty good for a good stretch. Now It's 762 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 4: not that I was totally sober, but it wasn't controlling me, 763 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 4: and I wasn't using as a coping mechanism. I ended 764 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: up meeting my wife in college and we end up 765 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 4: getting married, and then what ends up happening is very 766 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 4: similar to the instance when I started losing my identity 767 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 4: in minor league baseball. Early is football ends, and now 768 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 4: I'm released from the Detroit Lions after being released from 769 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 4: the Saints. And now I'm released from the Lions, and 770 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 4: now I'm sitting at home and now, for the first 771 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 4: time in my life, I'm just not an athlete at. 772 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 2: All, and no structure for the first time. 773 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 4: And I have no structure for the first time, and 774 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: I was totally lost. And it was a dark, dark 775 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 4: moment in my life. This And you know, I grew 776 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 4: up inside of a Christian home and we had been 777 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 4: to church, you know, almost every Sunday of my life 778 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: up until I went to minor league baseball, and it 779 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: never really took root, you know, And so Jay, I 780 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 4: didn't understand how to have my identity in something bigger 781 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 4: than one myself or the things that I was doing. 782 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 4: And so all of a sudden, I was just covered 783 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 4: in this dome of darkness. 784 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know who I was. I didn't know how 785 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: to define myself. I didn't know how to define myself 786 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 3: as successful. 787 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 4: I was just incredibly depressed, and that coping mechanism came 788 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 4: right back like a freight train. And the only way 789 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: that I could feel good or happy was to numb 790 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 4: myself with alcohol. And so at that moment I would 791 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 4: become gregarious again in the life of the party, and 792 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 4: I would think that people liked that version of me 793 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 4: versus the version of me that was just kind of 794 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 4: depressed and aimless in terms of what I was going on. 795 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 4: So I was marred and depression and never addressed it, 796 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 4: and so it became really the only area of my 797 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 4: marriage with Sarah that was contentious was the fact that 798 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 4: I would just continue to drink, you know, and continue 799 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 4: to drink. She hated it, obviously, and it wasn't until 800 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 4: you know, basically seven years into the marriage then and 801 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: about six years after I'm done playing football where we 802 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 4: get pregnant with our first kid, and so Henry is 803 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 4: on the way, and jay I had one of those 804 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 4: moments where you've got to hit rock bottom, and she 805 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 4: was in pharmaceutical sales at the time. It's a little 806 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: bit hard to tell a story, but I'm going to 807 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 4: do it because I love you and I love what 808 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 4: you do. 809 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 3: For people on this podcast. 810 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: I'm choked up listen to it, man, because this is 811 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: this is what you know brotherhoods are. This is what 812 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 2: bonds are, man. And also for us to be of 813 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: service is what it's about, right. This gets us through 814 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: that stuff. I appreciate it. 815 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 4: So she had a dinner with some doctors and I 816 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 4: was doing local radio, trying to make it in this business, 817 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 4: and I had an afternoon show at the time, and 818 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 4: so I needed to get dinner on my own. Not 819 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 4: really thinking anything of it, I just decided to stop 820 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 4: at a local restaurant. I think it was a Flemings. 821 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 4: It was a Flemings like a steakhouse, and there's Flemmings 822 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 4: kind of all over and it was happy hours still 823 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 4: at the time, and I thought to myself, like, man, 824 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 4: I'll just get like a burger. It's not like we 825 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 4: had a lot of money, right, so I'm not trying 826 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 4: to go in there for a steak or anything. I 827 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 4: go in there for a burger that like the happy 828 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 4: hour burger. At the bar, there was someone there that 829 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 4: had a martini and it looked really good, this guy 830 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 4: at the end of the bar, and I was like, well, 831 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 4: that looks really good. I'm going to have one of those. 832 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 4: And my problem was is that I didn't have a 833 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 4: governor because I had used alcohol to numb and to cope. 834 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 4: Once I started to drink, there was no drunk that 835 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 4: was drunk enough because that's what I felt like. 836 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: Mate gave me meaning and happiness. 837 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 4: And so that martini turned into you know, four hours 838 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 4: and well over a two hundred dollars bill alone out 839 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 4: of Flemings and driving myself home and she walked in 840 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 4: the door, my wife pregnant with our first child, and 841 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 4: looked at me and began to cry, and you know, 842 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 4: she said, either this is your last time or someone 843 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 4: else is going to raise this boy. WHOA So I 844 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 4: haven't touched it since. 845 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: Wow, Really, that is amazing. That is amazing on so 846 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 2: many levels. A your inner strength to stop because it's 847 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: it's hard, right, but your love for her and for 848 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: your boy is That's one of the most beautiful things 849 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 2: anybody's ever said on the show. That's incredible. I hope 850 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 2: you're proud of yourself for that, and. 851 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 4: Well, absolutely, I mean it's it's tough though, you know, 852 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 4: like I wish they never came to that. So it's 853 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 4: tough to take pride into some thing that is painful. 854 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, But making decisions like that, man, that are selfless, 855 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 2: it's people. 856 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: It's certainly the best decision other than marrying her, other 857 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 4: than accepting Jesus as my savior, like those are the 858 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 4: most important, But that one is very easily one of 859 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 4: the best decisions that I've ever made. It hasn't been easy, 860 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 4: you know. It's not like I just woke up and 861 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 4: I was just like, hey, you know, this is great. 862 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 4: It took a lot of time, and what ended up happening, Jay, 863 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: is that I had to then do the work that 864 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 4: I think some are are unwilling to do on the 865 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 4: mental health side, because again I'll go back to it 866 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 4: was a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism that I 867 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 4: thought that I needed because I wouldn't lean in and 868 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 4: do the work to actually focus on whether it was 869 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 4: my mental health, the depression that I was suffering, my identity, 870 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 4: Where is my identity? 871 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 3: Where do I want my identity? 872 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: How? 873 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 4: You know, how am I going to go about this life? 874 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 4: You know, without this coping mechanism, and so that's when 875 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 4: I started to try to really do and lean into 876 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 4: the hard work on the on the mental side. How 877 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 4: long have you been sober before, So it'll be twelve 878 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 4: years at the start of the football season, so eleven 879 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 4: and a half. 880 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 2: Does it get easier as time goes on? 881 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 4: Certainly, I mean it certainly has gotten a lot easier. 882 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 4: I would say initially they were pretty drastic steps, but 883 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 4: and I continue to do so. So, for instance, and 884 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 4: you never did this to me, which I always thought 885 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 4: was you never just would like push, you know, and 886 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 4: say like, hey, you know, here's a drink. 887 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 2: But I'm never going to do that through a sober personnel. Well, 888 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: well absolutely not. 889 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying but even when you didn't know, 890 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 4: So anytime I was ever offered or am offered a drink, 891 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 4: I don't say no. 892 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 3: I say I don't drink. 893 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 4: And that was a big like flag, yeah, boundaries and 894 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 4: setting the boundaries. And then if people ask me why 895 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 4: don't you drink? I told them right away I used 896 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 4: to have a problem, rather than no, thanks, I'm good, 897 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 4: which leaves this question open ended forever. So, for instance, 898 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 4: the crew that I work with on college football they 899 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 4: know now they feel like they're also in on it, 900 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 4: Like if they ever saw me with. 901 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 3: A cocktail, they would tackle me, you know. 902 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 2: So those are the. 903 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 4: Guardrails and boundaries that I've tried to set up, is 904 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 4: to be open and honest. When people ask me, do 905 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 4: you want to drink? And I say no, no, I 906 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 4: don't because I don't drink. 907 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: This version of you. I hope you realize too, Like 908 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 2: I can't picture you being the guy with the lampshade 909 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 2: on your head on top of the bar, being a 910 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 2: jog off. This is the only version. This is the 911 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 2: version that fits you and suits you. 912 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 3: Well, they thank you. 913 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: He Joel is the nicest, kindest, best guy in our business, 914 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 2: like man, and everybody who comes across him will say 915 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 2: it's unanimous and he's such a speed order for guys 916 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: who you are. 917 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. That's really nice of you to say. 918 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, like it's hard to walk through 919 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 4: that story, but I have so much respect for you 920 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 4: and what you're doing with this show right that that 921 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 4: I thought to myself, this, it's been long enough, right, 922 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 4: like your your scars are your scars, and to avoid 923 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 4: it because it's uncomfortable for me is selfish and if 924 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 4: even that story that I told helps one person, then 925 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 4: it's then it's worth it. 926 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 3: And I don't care. You know, there are people, Jay, 927 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 3: and I know you know this, that want to tear people. 928 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 4: Down in this world, and they want to come up 929 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 4: and they'll come up to me and you're nothing but 930 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 4: an alcoholic and I'm like, you know what that that 931 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 4: doesn't bother me anymore. 932 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: That happens, right, It happens on whether it's social media. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 933 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 4: I mean college fans get very very heated, jay, very heated, 934 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 4: very tribal in the college world. But I would just say, like, 935 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 4: if there's one person that identifies with that moment and 936 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 4: can't avoid a mistake, then it's worth it. 937 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: Then it's worth it. 938 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: I want to just one thing you said. You said, 939 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 2: our scars are our scars, and I just want to 940 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 2: shift out a little bit. Our scars are our currency. 941 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: What we've overcome, the dark tunnels that we go through 942 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 2: it come out to the other side. That's what makes 943 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 2: us strong, that's what makes us who the fuck we are. 944 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 2: That's what makes us gangsters. And every time I've walked 945 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 2: in a room, I don't brag about my successes to myself, 946 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 2: Like I don't walk in there and get confidence for 947 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: my successes. I get confidence from my scars and the 948 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 2: things I've been through. Yeah, so I want you to 949 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 2: shift that narrative to for you, your scars are your currency, man, 950 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah right, this is what makes you different than everybody. 951 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 4: Else, totally and in particular, like knowing that I've done 952 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 4: the work and have a strong identity centered in Jesus Christ. 953 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 4: Now you know, like I'm so confident in that Jay 954 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 4: and for me, that carries my whole life. I don't 955 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 4: get up, I don't wake up and go about a 956 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:12,439 Speaker 4: single day without having a time to pray, journal, read 957 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 4: the word, and just get totally centered on what I 958 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 4: know to be right and true. 959 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 2: Give me your big break in this business because I 960 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 2: don't know that. 961 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a good question. So it all 962 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 4: went pretty fast. I was doing after I get released 963 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 4: from the Lions. During that kind of dark, dark period, 964 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 4: I was asked to do some regional high school football 965 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 4: games on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain just by a kind 966 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 4: of a local, you know, and and I say, okay, 967 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 4: I'll do it, but I you know, I was also 968 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 4: an investment banker. So I use my economics degree and 969 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,959 Speaker 4: I'm going into investment banking. I'm working for a small 970 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 4: rut in the in the real estate industry at the 971 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 4: time as well. This is two thousand and six, and 972 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 4: the broadcasting side, you know, it's going fine, and they 973 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 4: are like, yeah, I would keep giving you gigs, and 974 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 4: they're like, you're really good at this, you should do more. 975 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's fine, but I have a real job. Well, 976 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 4: then the real estate market tanks and I lose my 977 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 4: job as an investment banker and I'm literally just unemployed. 978 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 4: And the day I lost my job was the same 979 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 4: day that my wife got that pharmaceutical sales job that 980 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 4: I was telling you about. And that was definitely, you know, 981 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 4: a sign that she's like, hey, let's try it. Let's 982 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 4: go for this broadcasting thing. 983 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 3: You can do it. 984 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 4: I know you can. So I ended up getting a local, small, 985 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 4: local radio show. Continue to do just small, you know, 986 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 4: local and regional, maybe college football studio here and there, but. 987 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 3: The big break. 988 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 4: To answer your question, I continued to badger the decision 989 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 4: makers to I love doing games. I love doing games, 990 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 4: and so they put me on a couple of college 991 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 4: football games on the B level regional package of the 992 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 4: Big Twelve, and I was just doing a basically a 993 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 4: random Big Twelve game, basically. I think it was two 994 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 4: thousand and nine or ten when Texas Tech was playing 995 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 4: at home against Kansas State. And this is under the 996 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 4: Fox umbrella for FSN Southwest at the time, and I 997 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 4: was doing the game, and lo and behold, I did 998 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 4: not know this, but there was a younger but recently 999 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 4: elevated president of Fox Sports named Eric Shanks in the 1000 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 4: executive control room in LA watching that game on a 1001 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 4: screen in front of him, and he's told me that 1002 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 4: I made a comment on a kickoff about how a 1003 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 4: returner's best attribute is decisiveness, and he said I had 1004 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 4: never heard that, and I said, who's calling this game? 1005 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 4: And by the next year I had a national package, 1006 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 4: a B package for Fox as they got into college football, 1007 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 4: and then within two years I had been hosting shows 1008 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 4: and they brought me to LA to work as a 1009 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 4: host in a college football analyst and kind of the 1010 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 4: rest is history. 1011 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 2: And by the way, the guy is talking about Eric Shanks, 1012 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 2: who's our boss at Fox, and Joel and I were 1013 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 2: talking about mental health. People always been like, weren't you 1014 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 2: afraid when I came out with my book I'm Breakable. 1015 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 2: How I turned my depression and anxiety and the motivation 1016 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 2: you can too. Eric said, I would love for you 1017 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 2: to go down to the USFL and talk to all 1018 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,760 Speaker 2: those players and coaches down there, and I'll buy books 1019 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 2: for every one of them. And I would also love 1020 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,399 Speaker 2: for you to do a company wide speech and will 1021 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 2: zoom it to everybody Fox also so they could feel 1022 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 2: included to anybody who's struggling and going through mental health issues. 1023 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 2: So he's kind of changed both our lives there and 1024 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 2: it's and I've told everybody, you know, kind of lean 1025 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 2: into your teammates, and that means leaning your co workers, 1026 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 2: and at least my experience at work, no one has 1027 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 2: not only they're not shunning me. They've given me a 1028 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 2: bigger platform to help others at Fox, which was a 1029 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 2: scary thing of you know, oh man, are they going 1030 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 2: to go, Man, this guy's anxiety attacks every time he 1031 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 2: comes on Fox. Well, maybe you shouldn't be doing this, 1032 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 2: you know. Instead, that's not the way. 1033 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 4: They went well, and you know, and I know that 1034 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 4: you talk about it in your book, but like when 1035 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 4: you find that team man, lean in, and in particular 1036 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 4: those that wish and hope and will work for the 1037 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 4: best in your life, you know, versus the that won't 1038 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 4: and will tear and finding those people are really special. 1039 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 3: You've certainly been one of those in my life. 1040 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 4: Like I said, the only regret is that I wish 1041 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 4: we could work together more. But this is kind of 1042 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 4: the moment and time in the schedule that we get 1043 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 4: to do this. 1044 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 2: And you guys got to understand, I've been doing this now. 1045 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 2: This my first draft is ninety one, but I've been, 1046 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: you know, covering the NFL since ninety five or ninety six, 1047 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 2: really on top of the draft for years and years 1048 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 2: and years. I don't let anybody hear anything. And Joel 1049 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: will come in there and he'll sit there and man, 1050 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 2: we'll share everything. And I'm a lone wolf. I'm not 1051 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 2: ESPN where there's eighty people doing this stuff or NFL 1052 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 2: Network where they all work together. I've always been a 1053 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 2: lone wolf. It's just kind of me. And then you know, 1054 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 2: when I met Joel, I'm like, man, this is I 1055 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 2: finally have somebody else to lean into on stuff. And 1056 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 2: it's been fantastic. And I'll take Joel's list, and I'll 1057 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 2: bring it to head coaches and gms with me saying, hey, 1058 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,240 Speaker 2: this is this is not my list, It's Joel Platz, 1059 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 2: That's who I go off of, and they'll kind of 1060 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 2: look at him and be like, Achel's good. Wow, well right, 1061 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 2: Joel got good stuff. And yeah we won't we won't 1062 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 2: go over who those guys are. But it's you. 1063 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: You. 1064 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 2: You never cease to impress uh these guys with your knowledge. 1065 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 2: And you talk about having a great teammates man, and 1066 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 2: you are an amazing teammates of b Thank you. Proud 1067 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 2: of you for coming on here and using this platform 1068 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 2: to help others. Man, that's absolutely You're a rock star. Brother, 1069 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 2: Joe Klatt, good luck this week doing the draft for 1070 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 2: uh not with me, which sucks, so okay, I'm still 1071 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 2: going to wish you luck. 1072 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 4: Thank you for this platform. Your platform is amazing. I 1073 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 4: absolutely appreciate it. 1074 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 3: Thank you, Bud. 1075 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 2: Love you, brother,