Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast,
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Speaker 1: football platform. I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as I am on
Speaker 1: the first Tuesday of every month on this fine discord
Speaker 1: stages by Pat fitz Morris.
Speaker 2: It's how you're doing.
Speaker 3: Doing great, worm. It's great to have NFL training camps
Speaker 3: open and a flot of news. Of course, we don't
Speaker 3: like the injury news, but everything else. Man. Great to
Speaker 3: have football back in our lives.
Speaker 2: Training camp is here.
Speaker 1: Overreaction season is here, certainly, and as you mentioned, sadly,
Speaker 1: the season of the unfortunate injuries that come before you
Speaker 1: even get to the season, which are always I mean,
Speaker 1: no injury is good, but that always feels extra painful
Speaker 1: when it happens in the first week of August. So
Speaker 1: we have seen some of that, off course impact our
Speaker 1: rankings already, guys like Ricky Piersoll being sort of the
Speaker 1: headliners there, Chris Brasel in terms of rookies thinking from
Speaker 1: the Dynasty persive, So some.
Speaker 2: Unfortunate developments there.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about whatever people want to talk
Speaker 1: about here as they raise some questions on this stages.
Speaker 1: You can feel free to raise your hand if you're
Speaker 1: in the audience listening, and we'll call you up in
Speaker 1: the second half of the show and answer your questions
Speaker 1: live on the air. You can of course always drop
Speaker 1: your questions in the chat as well. It's usually pretty active,
Speaker 1: so we'll get to those throughout the show as well.
Speaker 1: But Fits, as we usually do, we're going to start
Speaker 1: off with our reaction to the latest update to the
Speaker 1: trade value chart. You can search the Dynasty Trade Value
Speaker 1: chart just on Google Fantasy Pros, or you can go
Speaker 1: to fantasypros dot com navigate the site find it there
Speaker 1: as well, and you can see all the updates. We
Speaker 1: do it the first of every month, so we're sitting
Speaker 1: here August fourth. This is just three days old, so
Speaker 1: a very fresh set of updates here, as it has
Speaker 1: been throughout a lot of the summer. And I do
Speaker 1: say this pretty much every month. When we're not in season,
Speaker 1: there isn't a ton of movement, right because we're not
Speaker 1: seeing games being played or anything like that. The exception
Speaker 1: might be some of the injury stuff going on. We'll
Speaker 1: look through all the different positions here. We always start
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. Fits again, not a ton going on
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, the up and down. Here
Speaker 1: one player that I feel like we haven't talked about,
Speaker 1: and this isn't based on any kind of movement on
Speaker 1: the latest chart. It's just somebody that I feel like
Speaker 1: you and I haven't really talked about. What I've talked
Speaker 1: about with ericson a lot I know you've talked about
Speaker 1: in other shows. Is Trevor Lawrence. He finished so strongly
Speaker 1: at the end of last season, you know, was the
Speaker 1: highest scoring player from like in the second half of
Speaker 1: the season, obviously had some insane weeks to finish off
Speaker 1: the year. Sits here at QB nine in the rankings.
Speaker 1: He's actually tied with Patrick Mahomes at QB eight, and
Speaker 1: he's four years younger than Mahomes. But he's surrounded by
Speaker 1: other guys who are in that kind of same range
Speaker 1: in the twenties. You know, Lawrence twenty six, Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: is right behind him at twenty seven. Purty and Nicks
Speaker 1: are a couple spots later at twenty six apiece. So
Speaker 1: kind of this range, does nine seem too high, too
Speaker 1: low or just.
Speaker 2: Right to you?
Speaker 1: Again, this is a collaborative effort to put together this chart,
Speaker 1: so it's not just strictly your rankings. If you were
Speaker 1: ranking Lawrence, where would he be in Do you think
Speaker 1: year two with Liam Cohen is going to be a
Speaker 1: step up from what we saw last year? Is gonna
Speaker 1: be something in between the first half of last year
Speaker 1: the second half last year.
Speaker 2: Where are you out on Trevor Lawrence Right now, I've.
Speaker 3: Got him QB eight. I have Patrick Mahomes QB ten.
Speaker 3: Last month's chart had Patrick mahomes worth. There was a
Speaker 3: little bit of a gap between Mahomes and Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 3: and now we've got that gap bridged and they're both
Speaker 3: sporting identical values. So I'm pro Trevor Lawrence. I think
Speaker 3: what we saw once he digested the Liam Cohen offense
Speaker 3: was really encouraging, and it was like twenty six points
Speaker 3: fantasy points a game. I want to say, from like
Speaker 3: week nine or week ten on. Now, granted he was
Speaker 3: like getting one touchdown run a week during that stretch,
Speaker 3: don't expect that to continue. You don't know if he's
Speaker 3: going to equal last year's I think nine touchdown runs.
Speaker 3: But what we did see as a passer was still
Speaker 3: really encouraging. Best probably half season of his career as
Speaker 3: a passer, and we like the weapons, were very confused
Speaker 3: about this Jacksonville wide receiver corp on how to play
Speaker 3: it for fantasy, But you know, in redraft, maybe the
Speaker 3: easiest answers just to have Trevor Lawrence as your quarterback
Speaker 3: and that's good. Like we know he's not short on weapons.
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior really talented, still the guy who, although
Speaker 3: he did it largely with Mac Jones, had that impressive
Speaker 3: rookie season, Parker Washing and came on like Gangbasters late
Speaker 3: last year. Jacoby Myers the ultimate reliable veteran. And then
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is this wild card who we know is
Speaker 3: really talented. So a lot of weapons for Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 3: to work with Liam Cohen one of the best offensive
Speaker 3: mines in football. I think it took a while for
Speaker 3: us to, you know, get excited about Trevor Lawrence. He
Speaker 3: seemed like a tease for quite a while, but now
Speaker 3: it seems like he's finally achieved lift off.
Speaker 1: Would you in a startup draft take Trevor Lawrence ahead,
Speaker 1: and obviously think he's super flex here with quarterback being
Speaker 1: very valuable, would you take him ahead of you know,
Speaker 1: JSN Pukunukua. I'm trying to look at the trade value
Speaker 1: chart and find where amongst the non quarterbacks he would
Speaker 1: fit in for you in a super flex startup draft.
Speaker 1: So obviously he wouldn't go in the top seven because
Speaker 1: you have seven quarterbacks ahead of him. I think I
Speaker 1: think I would probably assume Jamar Chase would be ahead
Speaker 1: you know of him for you. Then you get into
Speaker 1: like Bijon Gibbs, JSN Pooka. Where does he fit in
Speaker 1: amongst those guys in a startup draft?
Speaker 3: Second round value?
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 3: I think probably mid second round, kind of around the
Speaker 3: spot that I would consider Drake, London, o'mari and Hampton
Speaker 3: that sort of range. Does that sound right to you?
Speaker 2: It sounds a little low to me.
Speaker 1: I think for me, if we're talking about him as
Speaker 1: QB eight, then that sounds like something in the range
Speaker 1: of more like the first pick of the second round
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Again, you say those seven quarterbacks go ahead,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Bejana Gibbs. I personally wouldn't take a
Speaker 1: running back over him. That's just my philosophy. I totally
Speaker 1: get why other people would. So I'll give you those
Speaker 1: two and then those big three receivers. I think is
Speaker 1: fine after that, though, Like if I'm staring in a
Speaker 1: super flex startup, I'd probably rather have Lawrence than Aman
Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown. I mean, the trade value chart would
Speaker 1: suggest that you should value Lawrence higher. You know, justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: CD Lamb. Those guys are twenty six, twenty seven years old.
Speaker 1: It's not like they have a full decade of elite
Speaker 1: play left ahead of them the way a quarterback might.
Speaker 1: So I think, like I'm probably closer to the one
Speaker 1: two turn. I don't think he would get into the
Speaker 1: first round for me, but like that thirteen fourteenth pick
Speaker 1: or so, I think I'd probably be looking to take
Speaker 1: him if he is.
Speaker 2: In fact, I haven't sat.
Speaker 1: Down and ranked my quarterbacks, but if if if you
Speaker 1: work QB eight for me, for example, the way he
Speaker 1: is for you, I think to me, I want the
Speaker 1: eighth quarterback going off the board in that range. Now,
Speaker 1: if other quarterbacks get pushed down because other people want
Speaker 1: to go non quarterback even more aggressively than I would,
Speaker 1: then maybe I don't take him because I'm taking Herbert
Speaker 1: instead or something like that. But if it plays according
Speaker 1: to my rankings, I think he's closer to the turn
Speaker 1: than he is to the middle part of the round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he went two oh four in the
Speaker 3: Dynasty startup we just did, so that's very close. Like,
Speaker 3: that's very much within the range. I think he goes
Speaker 3: somewhere from early early second, maybe even on the turn
Speaker 3: one twelve two oh one to somewhere like two eight
Speaker 3: two nine is probably as late as he lasts, and
Speaker 3: I've got him about that to eight two nine.
Speaker 1: I do feel like and then, as a larger conversation
Speaker 1: for the quarterbacks in general here before we move on
Speaker 1: to the next position, I do feel like Lawrence and
Speaker 1: then Hurts at ten are the last two quarterbacks where
Speaker 1: I feel like I personally can really dream on You're
Speaker 1: getting a value here where this guy could be in
Speaker 1: that top five conversation a year from now. I think
Speaker 1: everybody after them, Like, I'm really scared off of the
Speaker 1: injury history with Jackson Dart brock Purty feels more high
Speaker 1: floor than high ceiling. Maybe that's unfair to him, it's
Speaker 1: just the way I feel about it, you know, bo Nix,
Speaker 1: I feel like is more you know, I'm more confident
Speaker 1: because he's with Sean Payton than I am in him
Speaker 1: the player Jordan Love another floor guy, maybe as opposed
Speaker 1: to a ceiling, and then there's just uncertainty. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen it from Nana Mendoza. Cam Ward Prescott's
Speaker 1: a little older GoF a little older So I feel
Speaker 1: like if I'm looking for a guy who's not going
Speaker 1: as a Tier one dynasty quarterback, but who has that
Speaker 1: kind of upside, it feels like Lawrence at QB nine
Speaker 1: and then hurts just if you know, if he continues
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of rushing touchdowns every year at
Speaker 1: QB ten or sort of the last two out of that,
Speaker 1: I feel like fit in that bucket. So maybe that
Speaker 1: makes me extra interested in getting one of them. If
Speaker 1: I'm picking, you know, late in the first, early in
Speaker 1: the second in a startup, so I have some degree
Speaker 1: of upside to kind of match the guys who had
Speaker 1: those early picks.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: It does? And I agree with you on that, I.
Speaker 1: Think, Yeah, any other thoughts on the quarterbacks or can
Speaker 1: we move on to two other positions?
Speaker 2: Like I said, there's not a ton of movement right now.
Speaker 3: Like you said, not a ton of movement. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: move on to the running backs.
Speaker 1: Bijon and Gibbs have both been kind of doing the
Speaker 1: hold in this training camp, and of course Bijon just
Speaker 1: signed a big contract here in the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: As far as I've seen nothing from Gibbs yet, but
Speaker 1: you know, we don't expect him to really miss time
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Did that contract stuff like change
Speaker 1: your opinion about their dynasty wrecking at all? Or is
Speaker 1: it just that they were already the easy one and
Speaker 1: two and that hasn't even been remotely touched.
Speaker 3: The easy one and two. I think the gap has
Speaker 3: sort of closed in Dynasty between Bjon and Gibbs, and
Speaker 3: in Redraft it seems like Gibbs is the preferred choice,
Speaker 3: at least among the rankers. I get it like. I
Speaker 3: think Detroit has one of the easiest, if not the
Speaker 3: easiest schedules in the league, and super clean start for Gibbs.
Speaker 3: As far as Dynasty like, it's kind of almost splitting
Speaker 3: hairs between the two guys. They're both really young and
Speaker 3: both fabulous, and both contribute mightily as pass catchers, so
Speaker 3: it is a tough call. I think it's totally fine
Speaker 3: that they're separated by one value. Point in our chart.
Speaker 1: I want to do a thought exercise here for RB
Speaker 1: three in Dynasty, and I hope this makes sense the
Speaker 1: scenario I'm trying to describe. Let's pretend that you Pat
Speaker 1: fitz Moors were in ten startup drafts, and in all
Speaker 1: ten of these drafts you were required to take the
Speaker 1: third running back off the board. How many of those
Speaker 1: drafts would that third running back for you be Ashton genty?
Speaker 1: How many times would you take Jeremiah Love? How many
Speaker 1: times did you take o? Mary and Hampton? If there's
Speaker 1: other names you want to throw in there, I'm looking
Speaker 1: in the trade value chart. Those are the next three names,
Speaker 1: and they're all comped very closely together. And the reason
Speaker 1: I asked that is to sort of set the idea
Speaker 1: of do you think Gent is the easy RB three,
Speaker 1: which he is RB three in the trade value chart,
Speaker 1: and you'd take them all ten times? Do you think
Speaker 1: you'd rather like kind of split your bet and put
Speaker 1: some of those chips on Jeremila, put some of those
Speaker 1: chips on Hampton, devon a Chan, whoever it is. How
Speaker 1: would you sort of break out that if you had
Speaker 1: to take RB three in ten different leagues?
Speaker 3: That is a really interesting question. And the question I
Speaker 3: think the biggest debate I have is like, do I
Speaker 3: want one of those ten picks to be on O'maran Hampton.
Speaker 3: It would be no more than one, but do I
Speaker 3: want it one? I think I'm just going six genty
Speaker 3: four Love. That's how I want to play this. I
Speaker 3: like Hampton, he could be fantastic. I just Gent was
Speaker 3: always the better prospect, And even though Hampton has the
Speaker 3: more desirable ecosystem right now, I feel good about the
Speaker 3: trajectory of things with Clint Kubiak, and you know, Fernando
Speaker 3: Mendoza soon to settle in as the quarterback in that offense.
Speaker 3: Presumably they're going to get a top drawer wide receiver
Speaker 3: next year to kind of round out the starting lineup. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Gent was just such an elite prospect and Love is
Speaker 3: kind of right on his heels, and I just don't
Speaker 3: think Hampton is quite on that tier with those guys.
Speaker 3: So I like genty a little more than Love as
Speaker 3: a prospect. And you know, even though neither Gent nor
Speaker 3: Love has the ecosystem Omarion Hampton has, I like Gent's
Speaker 3: a little more than Love's at the moment. And yeah,
Speaker 3: six four is how I'd split it. How would you
Speaker 3: split it if you were in the same position.
Speaker 1: So I think Love is actually the more interesting running
Speaker 1: back here, more so than Hampton because obviously he's a
Speaker 1: really good player, but a we haven't seen him do
Speaker 1: at the NFL level yet and be like you talk about, well,
Speaker 1: Hampton's environment might be better than Gent's now, but long term,
Speaker 1: who knows Loves is the worst environment clearly, and that
Speaker 1: he's the younger player, which we like, the worst environment
Speaker 1: which we don't like, haven't seen him do it yet, like,
Speaker 1: And it's hard for me to sort of parse between
Speaker 1: how I feel about Gend and Love as individual prospects
Speaker 1: coming in because they were both awesome and the clear
Speaker 1: cut number one guys in their classes, so it's a
Speaker 1: little hard to compare them to each other.
Speaker 2: Also stylistically they're.
Speaker 1: Different, So Love for me is like, I think he's
Speaker 1: totally deserving of being RB four, but I just get
Speaker 1: nervous seeing Arizona Cardinals next to his name, and I
Speaker 1: know environment can change. I was a big I really
Speaker 1: planted by flag on CJ. Stroud the year he came
Speaker 1: out saying a good quarterback can make his environment better.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Drake May.
Speaker 1: Drake May was falling to like the seventh eighth pick
Speaker 1: and some rookie drafts in his year because of the
Speaker 1: Patriots landing spot. I'm like, and I remember saying on shows,
Speaker 1: the quarterback can make his environment look better. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true of a running back. So I
Speaker 1: get a lot more nervous with Love with his landing spot,
Speaker 1: and also like the fact that not only are the
Speaker 1: Cardinals kind of a mess, but the division they're in, Like,
Speaker 1: in what world are the Cardinals going to be competing
Speaker 1: to a division title against Sean mcvay's or Mike McDonald's
Speaker 1: Seahawks or Kyle Shanahan's Niners anytime soon? So it just
Speaker 1: feels like there's gonna be a team that's losing a
Speaker 1: lot of games in the foreseeable future. Having said that,
Speaker 1: Love is a really talented player, So for me, I
Speaker 1: think I'm probably if I were breaking down that percentage
Speaker 1: going something like, I think I would also go six
Speaker 1: on genty. But then I think I would maybe do
Speaker 1: like a it's either four and two or three three split,
Speaker 1: Like I see Love versus Hampton is pretty close because
Speaker 1: Hampton's environment is so good right now. I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about what twenty twenty six might look like for Amrian Hampton,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think he's gonna have a better
Speaker 1: year than Jeremiah Love, I'll put it that way. And
Speaker 1: so then if we're sitting here a year from now,
Speaker 1: these guys are both still really young. One of them
Speaker 1: is coming off what I expect to be a great season,
Speaker 1: the other one maybe a bit of a frustrating season
Speaker 1: given the environment.
Speaker 2: Then you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Trying to kind of project ahead there a bit. But
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you on genty sort of
Speaker 1: six out of the ten, and then the other split
Speaker 1: I more struggle on. I actually almost expected you, if
Speaker 1: you'd weren't including Hampton, to do just a fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty split between gent and Love. But I guess you
Speaker 1: do just like genty a little bit better at the
Speaker 1: very least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I don't want to underestimate the
Speaker 3: initial impact that Jeremiah Love could have because we have seen.
Speaker 3: I believe over the last eleven years, eight running backs
Speaker 3: drafted with top twelve picks in the NFL draft, and
Speaker 3: those eight running backs in their rookie years averaged I
Speaker 3: think fourteen hundred like it was around fourteen hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty yards from scrimmage and ten point nine touchdowns a season,
Speaker 3: like they were all And this was a lot of
Speaker 3: really good prospects. It was Ezekie Elliott, it was Jumior
Speaker 3: Gabbs by John Robinson, Ashton Genti, Christian McCaffrey, Leonard four Nett,
Speaker 3: couple of guys. I'm forgetting here, but and I know
Speaker 3: that the Cardinals look like they're in terrible shape. Well,
Speaker 3: the winning percentage of the teams that drafted those eight
Speaker 3: running the previous years before they were drafted, the combined
Speaker 3: winning percentage was thirty two percent. Like those teams looked
Speaker 3: terrible too when they took those players, hence why they
Speaker 3: were drafting early enough to get those guys. So maybe
Speaker 3: Love just sort of defies what looks like a really
Speaker 3: bad situation and still has a really good rookie year.
Speaker 3: And you know, this time of year from now, we're
Speaker 3: I'm wondering whether he might be closer to Bijon Gibbs
Speaker 3: than genty. You never know.
Speaker 1: I want to ask one more quick question on the
Speaker 1: running back position. Jonathan Brooks on this chart is RB
Speaker 1: twenty six. Are we maybe getting out a little too
Speaker 1: far over our skis on the injury return optimism for
Speaker 1: Brooks because I have been on board with the hype
Speaker 1: and we talked about it early in the summer when
Speaker 1: he was in like the RB forty range.
Speaker 2: This is somewhat of a redraft conversation as well.
Speaker 1: But you know, in Dynasty, I know he's still pretty young,
Speaker 1: but multiple really really.
Speaker 2: Crushing knee injuries.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen him really do it at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: and now we have him as almost in RB two
Speaker 1: in Dynasty. That makes me nervous how strong he's being valued.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if maybe he should be lower than
Speaker 1: Kyle Mnungai, who's one spot behind him, David Montgomery if
Speaker 1: you're a win now team, who's two spots behind him.
Speaker 1: Blake Korham Jalen Warren are the next two guys. Brooks
Speaker 1: being ahead of those guys just makes me a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous. I know our guy Bogman would maybe fight
Speaker 1: for Zach Sharboney ahead of him. It's it raised my eyebrows,
Speaker 1: is what I'll say. What do you think about his ranking?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 3: I've got him RB twenty eight. I've got him. I've
Speaker 3: got Manangui twenty six, Korum twenty seven, Brooks twenty eight,
Speaker 3: and then Sharboney, Montgomery Warren. So yeah, it's hard because
Speaker 3: he's young, he was highly drafted, he was a really
Speaker 3: good prospect. But this situation with two ac al tarrors
Speaker 3: in the same knee within a span of thirteen months, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you wonder if it's gonna be career shortening. You wonder
Speaker 3: if the career will ever really get off the ground.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably one more knee injury away from
Speaker 3: that's it. So there's risk here for sure. But I
Speaker 3: do feel like it's kind of a flat teer worm
Speaker 3: like once we're sort of in that range where they're
Speaker 3: probably you could hash it out with like twelve or
Speaker 3: fifteen different running backs and what their value is. Maybe
Speaker 3: not quite that many, but man from yeah, from Anangai
Speaker 3: to I don't know. For me, it's like RJ. Harvey Chewbahabard.
Speaker 3: That's like a range of about eight or nine running
Speaker 3: backs where I think people would order them very differently
Speaker 3: depending on who you were talking to.
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Speaker 1: season free. All right, fits to the receivers. Some news today,
Speaker 1: Ze Flowers signs a big extension.
Speaker 2: Four years, one hundred and forty.
Speaker 1: Million, added on to the last two years he was
Speaker 1: already under control for. So I think it all told
Speaker 1: is something like sixty years, one hundred and sixty something
Speaker 1: million that he's under control for for the foreseeable future
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Ironically, he did get bumped up a little bit.
Speaker 1: In the most recent trade value chart, which did come
Speaker 1: out prior to the news of the extension, he's at
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty, just behind a tie between Jordan Tyson,
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, and Lad McConkie. He himself is tied with
Speaker 1: Mackay Lemon in general this and you can answer this
Speaker 1: specifically Tuesday or just thinking about the big picture of
Speaker 1: any player in the NFL when you see a big
Speaker 1: extension like this, it's not market setting, but obviously he's
Speaker 1: now up there amongst the highest paid receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: Is your inclination to adjust a player's dynasty ranking, whether
Speaker 1: it's officially in the chart or just for your own
Speaker 1: kind of personal how you're valuing somebody. Do you want
Speaker 1: to maybe be more aggressive on them because the team's
Speaker 1: really investing in saying this player is a star? Do
Speaker 1: you get you maybe want to dial it back and say, well,
Speaker 1: now he's stuck in Baltimore where they don't always you know,
Speaker 1: run the pass heaviest offense. How do you react to
Speaker 1: a big extension like this when you're thinking about dynasty value?
Speaker 3: Not a lot of influence on how I rank guys
Speaker 3: form unless maybe it is a guy re signing and
Speaker 3: getting caught in a sinkhole, sort of like Breise Hall.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, I'm still not knocking him
Speaker 3: too much because that, like the Jets offense could be
Speaker 3: a lot better next year. They could get arch manning
Speaker 3: against their quarterback and all of a sudden, we're more
Speaker 3: excited about the direction of the Jets. And yeah, so
Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't matter that much. I mean, it
Speaker 3: doesn't just because they give some guys the bags. Some
Speaker 3: people might that might be like a boost for them
Speaker 3: as far as their confidence and a player. Some people
Speaker 3: maybe prefer the lean and hungry players who are playing
Speaker 3: for that first giant contract after rookie contracts and would
Speaker 3: rather see a guy they know is playing for his
Speaker 3: second contract. So different philosophies on this. For me, it
Speaker 3: doesn't move the needle all that much. Where is they
Speaker 3: ranked for you, by the way, fourteenth. I'm pretty bullish
Speaker 3: on him man coming off at twelve hundred yard season
Speaker 3: for a team that had, like I think they said
Speaker 3: since like twenty eleven, the Ravens were like one of
Speaker 3: the three or four lowest teams in terms of pass
Speaker 3: attempts I'd have to go back and look at exactly
Speaker 3: what the number that is, and I know it's been
Speaker 3: cited in a couple different podcasts I've listened to, and
Speaker 3: I should have memorized it by now. But yeah, for
Speaker 3: the passing volume being that down, I mean, they accounted
Speaker 3: for a huge percentage of team passing yardage last year,
Speaker 3: and now Declan Doyle maybe brings a little bit of
Speaker 3: a breath of fresh air to the Ravens offense. What
Speaker 3: about you, were, I mean, I know were You've been
Speaker 3: frustrated by the lack of touchdowns and he did sort
Speaker 3: of score them in bunches last year, a couple early,
Speaker 3: couple lates, but not a lot of touchdowns in the
Speaker 3: middle of the season, basically none over like what a
Speaker 3: ten game stretch, eleven game stretch last year. How do
Speaker 3: you feel about Flowers going forward?
Speaker 1: I sort of firmly sit in on the side of
Speaker 1: like I need to see it to believe it.
Speaker 2: And when I say it.
Speaker 1: I mean the usage that will get him more touchdowns
Speaker 1: because the touchdowns that even when he scores him in bunches,
Speaker 1: they're usually big play touchdowns. It's not them scheming him
Speaker 1: up near the red zone. It's not him getting targets
Speaker 1: near the red zone. I think I want to credit.
Speaker 1: I think it was the Ringer Fantasy Show. Somebody I
Speaker 1: saw had a clip or something where they mentioned that
Speaker 1: Zay's average touchdown a red zone target rate is about
Speaker 1: one for every three games. Like he just they do
Speaker 1: not target him when they get to that area of
Speaker 1: the field. So I just don't know how the touchdowns
Speaker 1: are gonna become more consistent. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: number is gonna get higher unless he just happens to
Speaker 1: have a season where he runs really hot on the
Speaker 1: big plays. And so I feel like I get kind
Speaker 1: of repetitive whenever I talk about Zay because I say
Speaker 1: the same things. I'm like, I love him in real life.
Speaker 1: I think he is a good player. I think he
Speaker 1: deserved this contract, honestly. I Mean, the CAP's going up.
Speaker 1: It's the same numbers that Jefferson and Lamb got, but
Speaker 1: two years ago when the cap was fifty million smaller.
Speaker 1: So like it's it's like a twenty percent discount relative
Speaker 1: to that, and it's only going to look even better
Speaker 1: as new contracts get side and the cap continues to
Speaker 1: go up. So like I'm totally on board as a
Speaker 1: Ravens fan with this contract. I just don't know in
Speaker 1: fantasy if I'm if I see the ceiling without the touchdowns,
Speaker 1: I think you need you know, Rickson has done a
Speaker 1: lot of work. And it's kind of funny because he's
Speaker 1: very high on Zay this year, but Ericson has done work,
Speaker 1: you know, in some of the articles on the site
Speaker 1: in the past about how like the key to finding
Speaker 1: the best breakout receiver is the red zone targets.
Speaker 2: And I just don't see where that's coming from.
Speaker 1: Isay even in a new offense with Declan Doyle, So
Speaker 1: that will just, I think, kind of continually make me
Speaker 1: nervous about the ceiling. I think the floor is excellent.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to catch a lot of passes.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get a lot of yardage.
Speaker 1: I think his percentage of the team you know, target
Speaker 1: total is going to be awesome. And I think he's
Speaker 1: a quality player who can maybe even continue to get better.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty five years old. It's not like he's
Speaker 1: a fully finished product. I just don't know, with his
Speaker 1: size and skill set if they will ever use him
Speaker 1: in the red zone. And I just think that's such
Speaker 1: a cap on the ceiling, especially when there's so many
Speaker 1: other receivers that are so good. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: a weak position right now. It's really strong and really deep.
Speaker 1: So for me, I would be closer to ranking him
Speaker 1: where he is ranked in this chart, then I would
Speaker 1: be to where you have him.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's fair. He probably is a guy
Speaker 3: who's touched on production is probably always going to lag
Speaker 3: his reception and yardage production. Man, you just hope that
Speaker 3: maybe there are a few more catch and run scores
Speaker 3: for him, And you know, I can remember, I know it
Speaker 3: was that maybe now it was two years ago, but
Speaker 3: like having he did have a long catch and run
Speaker 3: touchdown called back by some bogus penalty. Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: both grouty.
Speaker 2: It was like a sixty yard touchdown or something. It
Speaker 2: was a big play.
Speaker 3: I think it costs both of us. Both of us
Speaker 3: had Ze on a team that year and it hurt us.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's possible that we never get the
Speaker 3: touchdown production. But man, right now, like on our trade
Speaker 3: value chart, and I disagree with this vehemently, Like we've
Speaker 3: got Carnel Tait ahead of Jay Flowers, Like We've seen
Speaker 3: Jay Flowers be pretty good at the NFL level, and
Speaker 3: even though we like Tate's prospect profile, man I would
Speaker 3: much rather have Jay Flowers than Cornel Tait.
Speaker 1: And it's worth noting, just since you brought up that comparison,
Speaker 1: Carnel Tates Wide receiver twelve, Jay Flowers Wide receiver twenty.
Speaker 1: On this chart, there's only sort of seven numerical points
Speaker 1: different in terms of the actual value we're assigning these guys.
Speaker 1: Carnel Tait his values a sixty four. To put that
Speaker 1: in perspective, Jumar Chase is an eighty nine. He's the
Speaker 1: highest receiver Carnel Tate's out of sixty four. Zay is
Speaker 1: only at a fifty seven. So that's only a sort
Speaker 1: of a seven numerical gap between wide receiver twelve and
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty. Just shows there's a lot of closeness
Speaker 1: amongst the guys in this range.
Speaker 2: And again, Zay is a great player.
Speaker 1: He has literally everything except for the touchdowns, and that
Speaker 1: will just always be the thing that kind of makes
Speaker 1: me nervous. Where do you have Ricky Piersol ranked in
Speaker 1: Dynasty given the latest injury stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh all right, so I really haven't. Man, we did
Speaker 3: our last update before the injury, so I've not let
Speaker 3: me see if I have moved Pierce. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: I haven't, So let's just do that in real time.
Speaker 3: I had him at wide receiver thirty seven. I'm going
Speaker 3: to drop him too, Man, he's missing here, so I've
Speaker 3: got I'm still putting him ahead of Michael Wilson, DeVonta Adams.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick him at forty eight right now,
Speaker 3: behind Jaden Reid, behind Mike Evans and Jaden Reid. What
Speaker 3: do you think about that, or um By?
Speaker 1: My initial reaction is given how injury prone he has
Speaker 1: been and the fact that we know we are not
Speaker 1: going to see him again until September of twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be He's twenty five now, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure when his birthday is.
Speaker 2: Let me look it up real quick.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you that.
Speaker 1: So, oh, by the way, he will be twenty So
Speaker 1: he will be twenty seven years old when he is
Speaker 1: back next season. Without having done much, I think he
Speaker 1: should be outside the top fifty. I don't think by much.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see about like fifty one, fifty three or
Speaker 1: something as opposed in the forties. That's maybe just like
Speaker 1: using the top fifty as a milestone arbitrarily, but it
Speaker 1: just feels like given what his age will be and
Speaker 1: the injury history and the lack of production, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's I like him when he's on the field, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna be twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It makes me nervous.
Speaker 3: You talk me into putting him behind Trey Harris, who
Speaker 3: I had at wide receiver fifty one. Now he's in
Speaker 3: between Trey Harris and Jalen Nol. So look at fifty four.
Speaker 3: I've got Jeremy Bernard fifty five, Antonio Williams fifty six,
Speaker 3: Elijah Sarratt's should he be ahead of those guys or
Speaker 3: behind those guys?
Speaker 1: I think he should be ahead if you are at
Speaker 1: all taking into consideration market value, because I do feel
Speaker 1: like the average fantasy manager will say these aren't rookies
Speaker 1: that we were like fighting each other to get in
Speaker 1: rookie drafts. We liked taking swings on those guys, but like,
Speaker 1: these aren't. This isn't a crop of like you know,
Speaker 1: must have tons of hype guys and pearsall is still
Speaker 1: considered a good player. I think if if I were
Speaker 1: drafting in a startup, I would rather somebody else take
Speaker 1: Pearsaw and then I take you know, Elijah Serate round
Speaker 1: later or Jeremy Bernard, you know, around later. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly where they would go
Speaker 1: in ADP. Just you know, I'm thinking out loud, like
Speaker 1: I'd almost rather let somebody else take Pearsaw, even if
Speaker 1: I feel like, based on market value, he still should
Speaker 1: be ranked ahead. But I don't know, I might. I mean,
Speaker 1: those guys could easily. Bernard's a good player, he could
Speaker 1: be good right away. Sat there's an opening behind z
Speaker 1: Flowers in the Ravens receiver room. Like, if one of
Speaker 1: those guys has a strong start to their careers, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be very easy to move them ahead of Pearsall.
Speaker 3: You know what, I've got to move him down even further.
Speaker 3: I'm moving them behind those guys, behind Pittman and behind Cocher.
Speaker 3: So now I'm putting him in fifty eight, one spot
Speaker 3: ahead of Jacoby Myers, ahead of Chris Bell, ahead of
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs. That's kind of I.
Speaker 2: Think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dobbs like Dobbs I'd rather have if I'm a
Speaker 1: win now team and need the receiver depth, and I
Speaker 1: think he's got an opportunity this year. Like I think
Speaker 1: you could make the case that trading away Pierce awful
Speaker 1: Dobs is still smart, but in general in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: like I think, I think Pearsall should be ahead him.
Speaker 1: What do you thin about Piarresow versus Stribbling, Like Stribling is
Speaker 1: gonna have this opportunity now, and you know Mike Evans
Speaker 1: is missing a bit of practice time, Like I know
Speaker 1: you weren't the biggest Stribbling fan as a player, you know,
Speaker 1: to put it mildly, but there somebody's gonna catch passes
Speaker 1: year and what should be a pretty good offense we think, So,
Speaker 1: you know, Stribling versus Pearsall, how do you have that ranked?
Speaker 3: I just don't think Stribling is going to have a
Speaker 3: big rookie or in act and the next year. I'd
Speaker 3: still rather bet on Pearsall's profile than Stribling's profile. I mean,
Speaker 3: Stribling just did not command a major share of targets,
Speaker 3: yardage or whatever for Old Miss. It's just we've seen
Speaker 3: it proven, you know, back tested with guys like, if
Speaker 3: you don't have a big share of your college teams
Speaker 3: targets and yardage, like, you're probably not going to be
Speaker 3: a star at the next level. Like, it's just it
Speaker 3: doesn't bode well for your NFL future. It's not to
Speaker 3: say that every player who pops in the NFL. Some
Speaker 3: guys like we're a little light on their college numbers,
Speaker 3: but those are kind of rare instances. They're the exceptions
Speaker 3: rather than the rules.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you one more here, Ricky Pearsall
Speaker 1: or Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: Still Ricky Pearsaw. I just I don't know if Travis
Speaker 3: Hunter ever plays enough offensive snaps to be a guy
Speaker 3: you feel good about starting in dynasty bestball dynasty maybe,
Speaker 3: you know, if if it's a specifically a bast ball format,
Speaker 3: maybe I've got handra ahead of Pearsaw, but managed legs,
Speaker 3: I'd rather Pearsaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're going to do some tight end
Speaker 1: talk and they'll get to some questions here in the
Speaker 1: discord stages. So if you've got any questions, we've got
Speaker 1: a couple in the chat already and we've got at
Speaker 1: least one hand raise, so we'll start getting to those here.
Speaker 1: In just a couple of minutes looking at the tight ends,
Speaker 1: you know, again, pretty similar to what it looked like
Speaker 1: the last time we talked, just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Bowers won McBride to Loveland three. There is a bit
Speaker 1: of a gap between Bowers and McBride, then another gap
Speaker 1: between McBride and Loveland, then another gap between Loveland and
Speaker 1: Warren at four. So based on this chart, at least,
Speaker 1: it's pretty solidified the order. There's not like a bunch
Speaker 1: of ties or anything that we're trying to break here
Speaker 1: until you get into the tight end five, six, seven range,
Speaker 1: where guys start to get a lot more clumped together
Speaker 1: that I'm not even asking you about, like the name specifically,
Speaker 1: but just in general. Do you feel like that's accurate
Speaker 1: that it should be a bit of a gap between
Speaker 1: really all of these spots at the top.
Speaker 2: Or do you think these guys should be closer.
Speaker 3: I think the gaps feel about right, you know, a
Speaker 3: little bit of a I personally have Loveland ranked ahead
Speaker 3: of McBride in Dynasty, and we still have kind of
Speaker 3: a gap with McBride fairly well ahead of Loveland, and
Speaker 3: I feel like that's not just us. Some of the
Speaker 3: other trade value charts and calculators. I've looked at have
Speaker 3: McBride ahead of Loveland for Dynasty. I just don't know
Speaker 3: if it's right. I agree with the sizeable gap between
Speaker 3: Bowers and McBride and Loveland. I agree that, you know,
Speaker 3: Warren is Tyler Warren fairly close to Colston Loveland, but
Speaker 3: a little bit of a gap there. Then a little
Speaker 3: bit of a gap down to Tucker Craft, Harold Fan
Speaker 3: and Kyle Pitts, Sam Laporta, who are all pretty baunched.
Speaker 3: So I think I think it feels right the way
Speaker 3: we've got it.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the case I would make
Speaker 1: if anything about changing things isn't necessarily re arranging the order,
Speaker 1: it's putting Tucker Craft closer to Warren at four than
Speaker 1: he is to Fan in at six, because right now
Speaker 1: there is a bigger gap between Warren and Craft than
Speaker 1: there is Craft and Fan and are basically tied, and
Speaker 1: Pitts and Laporta are right there too. That group from
Speaker 1: five to eight's all very close. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like Tucker Craft should be a little bit higher. We've
Speaker 1: had a lot of positive, you know, quotes from him
Speaker 1: and his doctors about the recovery that he's you know,
Speaker 1: showing so far and you know some of the stuff
Speaker 1: you see about all he's reached x miles per hour
Speaker 1: on the treadmill, and the knee looks great, and he's
Speaker 1: healing like Wolverine. And I mean, he was a guy
Speaker 1: who if he didn't get hurt last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: would he be tight end three right now in Dynasty
Speaker 1: maybe four at worst, like he was having such a
Speaker 1: superstar breakout season last year. If he's back to being healthy,
Speaker 1: I think this offense is going to be good this year.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge believer in Jordan, loved the player and
Speaker 1: see I think there could easily be a world where
Speaker 1: we're all pointing to Christian Watson as this, you know,
Speaker 1: really interesting breakout value in Dynasty leagues this year, and
Speaker 1: actually the number one target ends is just being Tucker
Speaker 1: Craft the way it looked like it was at the
Speaker 1: first half of last year. If he has a healthy season,
Speaker 1: I could absolutely see him finishing as a top three
Speaker 1: tight end in twenty twenty six. And he's only twenty
Speaker 1: five years old, and we know tight ends tend to
Speaker 1: hit their prime later in their twenties. I just kind
Speaker 1: of think Craft is a little undervalued here. I mean
Speaker 1: I can't sit here with a straight face and say
Speaker 1: he should be ranked ahead of Bowers or McBride or
Speaker 1: even Loveland, But like, I think he should be closer
Speaker 1: to them than he is to like Sam Laporta and
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2: And that's not meant to be a knock on those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Craft, I totally agree. I do worry a
Speaker 3: little bit about a guy who so much of what
Speaker 3: makes him great is what he does after the catch,
Speaker 3: and a guy like that coming off a torn acl
Speaker 3: especially since you know, when tight ends are running after
Speaker 3: the catch, a lot of times they're in the secondary
Speaker 3: and they're going against these smaller dbs who want to
Speaker 3: hit them low after that. And I mean there have
Speaker 3: been times I remember, you know, a game where Kirby Joseph,
Speaker 3: like a guy who's already wrecked a couple of tight
Speaker 3: ends acls, tried to go low on Tucker Craft and
Speaker 3: he very artfully hurdled that low tackle attempt. But I
Speaker 3: it makes me a little nervous just the style he plays,
Speaker 3: that George Kittlesque, you know, yack game that he's coming
Speaker 3: off that injury, and I would defend Fannin like I
Speaker 3: actually think there could be a case for fan and Overcraft.
Speaker 3: He's younger, he hasn't any had any sort of injuries,
Speaker 3: and maybe Fannin is just awesome. I know his situation
Speaker 3: in Cleveland kind of stinks right now with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: but Fannin goes right from his final year of college
Speaker 3: edge where he leads all pass catchers, tight ends and
Speaker 3: wide receivers in catches and receiving yardage in you know,
Speaker 3: he's number one in FBS in both of those categories,
Speaker 3: granted in a max school, and then he comes into
Speaker 3: the NFL as a rookie and immediately pops in a
Speaker 3: bad offense. Maybe this guy's just awesome and a year
Speaker 3: from now we're going to have him much higher than
Speaker 3: he is because he has another good year. Sohow with
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson, Shade or Sanders, Dylan Gabriel and Taylor Green
Speaker 3: as his quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: If he has a good year with those guys as
Speaker 1: his quarterbacks, then he has hard to deny what a
Speaker 1: great player he is. Although does you know Todd Munkin
Speaker 1: likes tight ends and is a play caller, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I do like fan In too. I just I just
Speaker 1: like Craft that much that it's it's not about disliking
Speaker 1: Fan and Pitts and Laporta. It's about liking Craft, although
Speaker 1: I think it's a totally fair point on his style
Speaker 1: of play and coming back from the from the knee stuff.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you the same thing that I did
Speaker 1: for running backs for tight ends.
Speaker 2: So I asked, if you had to if.
Speaker 1: You were in a startup and you were required to
Speaker 1: draft the RB three, how many would go to gent
Speaker 1: how many would go to Hampton, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: if you had to draft a tight end nine, Because
Speaker 1: I think there's a really clear top eight right now.
Speaker 1: In pretty much every draft we've done, it's been the
Speaker 1: same eight in some order. So if you had to
Speaker 1: draft tight end nine in a startup fits in ten leagues,
Speaker 1: how many of those ten are you taking the swing on?
Speaker 2: Sadik?
Speaker 1: How many of those ten are you taking the swing
Speaker 1: on Stours? Isaiah likely is eleventh on this chart. Arona
Speaker 1: Gadson had some flashes last year. Maybe you're still believer
Speaker 1: in Kincaid. Maybe you want to be overly aggressive on Ferguson.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're starting to get into territory where it
Speaker 1: wouldn't make a lot of sense. But how would you
Speaker 1: break down across ten leagues where you had to take
Speaker 1: the tight end nine? What percentage are you putting your
Speaker 1: chips in on each guy?
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm limiting it to Stour, Sidik and Likely
Speaker 3: because I think I could get Ferguson a little later,
Speaker 3: like I've got him tight end twelve in Dynasty Back.
Speaker 3: I don't think most people have him that high. So
Speaker 3: I'm going to say I almost want to spread the
Speaker 3: bats here. I'm going to say four stars. It's either
Speaker 3: it's either four three and three or four four and two.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to go four stours for City
Speaker 3: too likely? How about you?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: I think it for me it's three three and four.
Speaker 1: Not one hundred percent sure who I want that four
Speaker 1: to be. But I want to put this as c
Speaker 1: like if I could do three point three, three point
Speaker 1: three and three point three, I would. That's that's how
Speaker 1: kind of divided I feel on it. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you it's easier for you to put four on Stours,
Speaker 1: so he might be your favorite from what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: But man, like I say, Likely was so good whenever
Speaker 1: he got the opportunity in Baltimore, and he's going to
Speaker 1: get opportunity, especially this year with neighbors coming back from
Speaker 1: injury in New York.
Speaker 2: And again he's only twenty six.
Speaker 1: Tight ends breakout later Stours crazy athlete, you know, an
Speaker 1: organization that knows how to use tight ends and thinking
Speaker 1: long term, really excited about it. And Sadik is so young,
Speaker 1: also such a crazy athlete. Maybe this quarterback situation looks really.
Speaker 2: Good a year.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a world where a year from now
Speaker 1: we're more excited about Sidik's quarterback than we are Stours
Speaker 1: and likely I mean if they get arch Manning or
Speaker 1: you know, d'antemm or whoever it is, and we end
Speaker 1: up liking them more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and Cidik has his own kind of was it
Speaker 1: a hernia stuff that he's kind of recovering from and
Speaker 1: having a little bit of injury stuff, But we don't
Speaker 1: really care about this year for sidek Anyway, He's twenty
Speaker 1: one years old in a bad offensive environment. So I
Speaker 1: think I think I will just give the tiebreaker honesty
Speaker 1: to Sidik's age and the fact that he's so much younger.
Speaker 1: But man, I I you could ask me tomorrow, and
Speaker 1: I'd say I'd put my fourth chip on stours or
Speaker 1: likely and go back and forth on it.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, that's fair, I mean it is. Those three
Speaker 3: are pretty tightly packed.
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Speaker 1: a ton of questions today, so we should easily be
Speaker 1: able to get to everybody's here. We'll start by calling
Speaker 1: up some folks here on to the stage. First up
Speaker 1: will be Collins.
Speaker 5: Yo, what's up, fellas, how's it going? It's going well,
Speaker 5: it's going well. I'm down here in Mexico.
Speaker 6: I think last time I called you guys was like
Speaker 6: a year ago because I'm a teacher, so it's hard
Speaker 6: to get.
Speaker 5: On the same same track as you, guys.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 3: Are you just getting in the last year of vacationing
Speaker 3: before school starts up again.
Speaker 5: I'm a teacher down here in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Oh you are, You're teaching in Mexico. Cool?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. I like it a lot.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But my question for you.
Speaker 7: So, I I've been having a been going back and
Speaker 7: forth on this. I have a team I got offered
Speaker 7: mylik neighbors for Justin Herbert in a twelve team super
Speaker 7: flex tight in Premium PPR. We also do a point
Speaker 7: for every first down when you're receiving or rushing. And
Speaker 7: I have my other quarterbacks are Josh Allen and Kyler
Speaker 7: Murray and then my receiving room is Luther Burden, Roma
Speaker 7: Doon's Day and like Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's kind of what I'm working with.
Speaker 6: And I I don't know, I I got off of
Speaker 6: the trade like a few hours ago, and I've had
Speaker 6: no idea what to do.
Speaker 2: It's what's your initial reaction to this?
Speaker 1: Because when I first hear like, I definitely do have
Speaker 1: Herbert ranked higher in a vacuum between the two, although
Speaker 1: when you consider the extra point per first down rushing
Speaker 1: and receiving that you go a long way towards bridging
Speaker 1: that gap, even in superflex. But then you hear you
Speaker 1: know what the state of his receiver room is, and
Speaker 1: my interest is a little more peaked.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction, Pat.
Speaker 3: I think I need a little more for that, just
Speaker 3: I know in the Dynasty startup, I just did like
Speaker 3: Herbert went on the turn or I think he might
Speaker 3: have went even one to eleven and I got neighbors
Speaker 3: at three to h two. So yeah, I just even
Speaker 3: with the gap closed a little bit with the extra
Speaker 3: point per first down, man, I still think Herbert is
Speaker 3: the more valuable asset in even the oh you have
Speaker 3: a pressing need, I think I would want that juice
Speaker 3: stuff a little bit before I pulled the trigger on that.
Speaker 1: How much does that gap close for you? Fits, Like,
Speaker 1: to what degree do you care about the point per
Speaker 1: first down?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I wish I could like run the math
Speaker 3: on this to figure out how it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Like I still think Herbert is going to be the
Speaker 3: higher point score, but yeah, it is bridged a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean it might be as little as uh maybe
Speaker 3: like I don't know, getting a twenty twenty seven second
Speaker 3: and giving up a twenty twenty seven to fourth something
Speaker 3: like that. Maybe what do you think warm is that
Speaker 3: a good way to bridge the gap? Just a little
Speaker 3: something more?
Speaker 2: It looks like Neighbors.
Speaker 1: I've tried to just quickly google it, so sorry if
Speaker 1: google Gemini is leading me astray. But it looks like
Speaker 1: he caught fifty five first downs in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: so you know that's in.
Speaker 2: That's in fifteen games.
Speaker 1: So something like you know, three to four a game
Speaker 1: of extra points that you're getting from a high level receiver.
Speaker 1: That's not nothing, right, That's that's if you're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy who's one of the best in the game,
Speaker 1: which we think Neighbors is when he's healthy.
Speaker 2: I also, you know, this fits I adore Herbert.
Speaker 1: Like if this was a different quarterback in this range,
Speaker 1: I might feel a lot differently, But Herbert is somebody
Speaker 1: that I am very heavily invested in, both in Dynasty
Speaker 1: and in Redraft, and it's really hard for me to
Speaker 1: get off of having Alan and Herbert and just saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: in a super flex, I have those two for the
Speaker 1: next eight years and loving it is really appealing to me.
Speaker 1: So I do think even with that gap, and even
Speaker 1: with the need at receiver, I would probably want something
Speaker 1: more too. But it's closer than I would have maybe
Speaker 1: said first glance when hearing the question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's Herbert has never been in a
Speaker 3: better offensive environment in his career. He was fantastic early
Speaker 3: in his career, like he was putting up some big numbers.
Speaker 3: It just seems like Mike McDaniel's mission is for Herbert
Speaker 3: to have like an MVP caliber season.
Speaker 1: I want to bet on Herbert to win the MVP
Speaker 1: this year, Like I am buying into that reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Herbert can run a lot.
Speaker 1: I think Herbert will run for some first downs too,
Speaker 1: which will get some of those points back that you're
Speaker 1: losing out on, you know, by him not catching anything.
Speaker 1: I think he'll get his fair share of rushing first
Speaker 1: downs too, not as many as Neighbors is going to
Speaker 1: catch but something. So yeah, I think as we're talking
Speaker 1: it through, even with this being PPR and the point
Speaker 1: for first down and all that, I do think I
Speaker 1: would want a little more to move off of Herbert.
Speaker 3: Would would my proposal bridge the gapp or is that
Speaker 3: even not enough of getting a twenty twenty seven seconds
Speaker 3: giving up a twenty twenty seven to fourth.
Speaker 1: I think i'd if I could just take get the
Speaker 1: second and not give up a pick of my own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd look for better about that.
Speaker 1: I think I would do that at that point because
Speaker 1: the class is so strong. I wouldn't give done it
Speaker 1: for a twenty twenty six second, but for a second
Speaker 1: in extra's class as strong as it is, I'd.
Speaker 2: Be willing to do it.
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is like Neighbors does have the
Speaker 1: question mark of the injury and how he'll return from that,
Speaker 1: and obviously we're you know, uh, it's seemingly somewhat optimistic
Speaker 1: and right now compared to how it felt earlier in
Speaker 1: the summer, but that's still a factor. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: would want that extra piece in a second, which is
Speaker 1: pretty valuable to get it over the top for me.
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I thought it was close to with the first point
Speaker 6: and with the first first down points. Yeah, and my
Speaker 6: part receive room being a mess. But I appreciate the
Speaker 6: recommendations y'all, and you know, have a go one.
Speaker 2: Definitely, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks you. I'll see you next year, all.
Speaker 2: Right, thanks to call for that. Let's bring up Nick here.
Speaker 8: Hey guys, I don't have any Chimmy Changa Rex, but
Speaker 8: I need anything of Island in New York.
Speaker 3: Let me know.
Speaker 1: We'll make dear here without any recommendations.
Speaker 8: Amazing, So I put my question in the chat. But
Speaker 8: basically I have the opportunity or opportunity given the trade
Speaker 8: chart stuff a little bit to give it. Buka up
Speaker 8: for James Cook. I know you guys have BUKA a
Speaker 8: little bit higher than him, but not by like a ton.
Speaker 4: I however, have a very serious need at.
Speaker 8: Running back to pair with Bijon because I have like
Speaker 8: no RB two's and I have a very strong wide
Speaker 8: receiver room. I've listed all those in the chat, but
Speaker 8: like it's London Buka right now, Lad Burden, T Higgins,
Speaker 8: AJ Brown, DK metcalf Omar Cooper. Like a bunch of
Speaker 8: really talented guys, So I don't know that I would
Speaker 8: necessarily miss Igbuka on the team because I already have
Speaker 8: so many people I can't even start. It's like a
Speaker 8: start eight, so I can only start like four max
Speaker 8: per week. I'm just wondering what you guys think about that,
Speaker 8: given that, like again, iBook is a little higher in
Speaker 8: the chart, but you know, I have a very serious
Speaker 8: need of the position.
Speaker 1: Is your team nick like a contender? Obviously it looks
Speaker 1: pretty strong to me. I don't know if there's like
Speaker 1: other teams in your league that are super stacked and
Speaker 1: you feel like you're actually only you know, the fourth
Speaker 1: best team in the league or something like that. But
Speaker 1: do do you feel like your team is a contender
Speaker 1: and you're like in win now mode?
Speaker 8: I think so. I've basically been like a semi finalists
Speaker 8: every year other than when I thanked for Bijon.
Speaker 1: Okay, and in that case, my initial reaction is I
Speaker 1: would do this trade. I think it's totally okay sometimes
Speaker 1: to say, looking at the state of my team and
Speaker 1: that the fact that I'm contending, and the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm so loaded at receiver and that I'm so weak
Speaker 1: at running back and say I'm willing to get the
Speaker 1: worst end of this deal in a vacuum to make
Speaker 1: my team better, because this will make your starting lineup better.
Speaker 1: And I would agree with the chart that says I'd
Speaker 1: rather if I was drafting a startup, I would definitely
Speaker 1: much rather have a BUCA than Cook, just given you know,
Speaker 1: age and position and how much I believe in the player.
Speaker 1: But I have no problem as a win now team
Speaker 1: when the receiving room is this loaded and the running
Speaker 1: back room is this shallow. As long as you go
Speaker 1: in saying I know I'm getting the sort of the
Speaker 1: worst end of deal in the vacuum, but it's going
Speaker 1: to make my starting lineup better, I'm all for it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, even if it goes against the
Speaker 1: trade value chart because that it's impossible for that chart
Speaker 1: to consider cut the context of who else is on
Speaker 1: your team and if you're contending or not. So that's
Speaker 1: my first thought, Pat, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Still, I guess I would be willing to do that too.
Speaker 3: You know, I philosophically agree with what warm was just
Speaker 3: telling you as far as making your team better, even
Speaker 3: if you are losing a little bit of value in
Speaker 3: this deal, and I think you are losing a little
Speaker 3: bit of value in this deal. The only thing I'd
Speaker 3: ask Nick, like, is there any chance you could talk
Speaker 3: the other person into doing lad for James Cook?
Speaker 4: I doubt it.
Speaker 8: This kid literally, for like he was new to the
Speaker 8: I think he bought or like bot and or took
Speaker 8: over a pretty bad team like a year or two ago,
Speaker 8: and he was like asking, I think James Cook for
Speaker 8: like London and Igbuca at the beginning of the ame
Speaker 8: and so like, I've had to work very hard to
Speaker 8: try and get him to be more realistic in trade talks,
Speaker 8: and he's like desperate for receiver also h So I
Speaker 8: feel like it's a mutually beneficial thing. I lean in
Speaker 8: your direction of like yes, sure, like could I maybe
Speaker 8: squeeze a little bit more or like go for one
Speaker 8: of the other guys. But I mean it's been I
Speaker 8: just I don't think I could do that with this guy.
Speaker 8: And it seems like, you know, he has like a
Speaker 8: ton of running back depth and so the other people
Speaker 8: are a lot less apt to move on from running
Speaker 8: backs from at least how trade talks have.
Speaker 3: Gone cool, okay, because I know I think there are
Speaker 3: probably some dynasty managers who would have a Mecca and
Speaker 3: Ladd close, and maybe even there might be a small
Speaker 3: minority who prefer Lad. But yeah, I think there's kind
Speaker 3: of a gap there. I would rich much rather have Abuka.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like you're not taking a huge value hit
Speaker 3: on this one. It helps your team for this year
Speaker 3: for sure. You've got a really nice roster, and sometimes
Speaker 3: there's something to be said for the goodwill that it
Speaker 3: builds if you sort of meet a guy halfway in
Speaker 3: a trade like this, so might open things up for
Speaker 3: future deals. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this manager in Nick League would
Speaker 1: do this, but for you personally, fits, would you rather
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where you have so much depth,
Speaker 1: would you rather give up just the one player in
Speaker 1: Aguka if that's what it takes to get or would
Speaker 1: you rather give up like he and AJ Brown or
Speaker 1: Burden and T Higgins or something like that where it's
Speaker 1: you're keeping sort of the highest end asset and using
Speaker 1: your depth to maybe pay a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: you still get the elite guy, or at least the
Speaker 1: way it's ranked as the more elite guy.
Speaker 2: What would you prefer in that scenario.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give up the way he has his wide
Speaker 3: receiver room listed Londa Buca, London Abuca, McConkie, Burden, T Higgins,
Speaker 3: AJ Brown, DK Metcalf. The split for me would be
Speaker 3: AJ Brown, DK Metcalf. I'm not giving up any two
Speaker 3: player combo that involves guys AJ Brown and higher.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw out the possibility given the
Speaker 1: depth that he has. But yeah, I would make the trade.
Speaker 1: Nick I. I'm very happy you got him down to
Speaker 1: just like Buka.
Speaker 4: It's been crazy, so thank you. I appreciate the blessing.
Speaker 2: Awesome. We've got another hand raise here. Before we get
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Speaker 1: All right, We've got a question here from like a
Speaker 1: good neighbors.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how's it going good? How are you doing well?
Speaker 4: Doing well?
Speaker 9: Yes, so I put my question in the chat as
Speaker 9: well here. But basically twelve teams Superflex PPR. I came
Speaker 9: in second last.
Speaker 10: Year, and I am very weak at running back. I
Speaker 10: saw the previous Nick said that he's week at running back.
Speaker 10: I raised his Bijon Robinson with none of those, so,
Speaker 10: uh yeah, but pretty.
Speaker 4: Strong in all other areas.
Speaker 9: I've talked to some managers and I feel like the
Speaker 9: most available running back is gent perhaps, So I'm just
Speaker 9: wondering based on the state of my team. I have
Speaker 9: some picks. I have two twenty seven first and two
Speaker 9: twenty eight first, so I'm just wondering. I guess I'm
Speaker 9: not quite sure, like should I push all the chips
Speaker 9: in or should I just kind of hang out? Like
Speaker 9: I mentioned in the chat, there's one super team and
Speaker 9: there's like three or four other teams that I'm a
Speaker 9: part of that are basically the second tier. So yeah,
Speaker 9: just wondering if you guys have any trade ideas for
Speaker 9: going after gent Uh.
Speaker 4: Looking at the assets that I have.
Speaker 3: How is this? How is this other manager fixed at
Speaker 3: tight End neighbors.
Speaker 4: He is I believe I'm opening real quick. I believe
Speaker 4: he is not very bad. Yeah. Think it's a J
Speaker 4: Barner and Kayotten.
Speaker 3: So with Pits he might not be too.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: With Kyle Pitts, he might not feel two too desperate.
Speaker 3: Because that's a fairly decent answer tight End, oh Man,
Speaker 3: like worm, what do you think just in terms of picks,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Where where do you think those twenty seven first are
Speaker 1: likely to land?
Speaker 9: One is mine so late and the other one, Yeah,
Speaker 9: the other one is a pretty good team, So I
Speaker 9: would say mid to late.
Speaker 1: Okay, late mid to late for both of them. I
Speaker 1: think I would be willing to give up one of
Speaker 1: them for genty, and I definitely wouldn't give up both.
Speaker 1: The class is too strong, but Genty's a really good player,
Speaker 1: So giving up like GENTI the type of player you
Speaker 1: hope to get with somebody in a really strong class,
Speaker 1: Like I would move one of those late twenty seven
Speaker 1: first and maybe whichever one I think is going to
Speaker 1: be the latest twenty eight also because then you can
Speaker 1: go into this season with you know, keeping gent and
Speaker 1: you have Tutan's breakout potential as your RB two instead
Speaker 1: of your RB one, and you don't want to give
Speaker 1: up your your by far your best tight end, and
Speaker 1: you still have all your depth at receiver, and you
Speaker 1: still would have a pick in each of those drafts
Speaker 1: to add future depth to.
Speaker 2: So I think given the fact.
Speaker 1: That you have those picks to spend, and the fact
Speaker 1: that they're probably going to be late, I think I
Speaker 1: would be willing to do like your twenty seven first
Speaker 1: and your twenty eight first, knowing you still have two
Speaker 1: others fits. Does that feel like an overpay to you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I think that's right. But would the other team take it?
Speaker 3: Is the other team rebuilding?
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're kind of in the middle. They're yeah, I
Speaker 9: mean they I mentioned the pits. So they have Burrow
Speaker 9: and Stroud as qbs. They have Gentie and Javante as
Speaker 9: running backs, and then Rome, Tyson, Wattle Pittman as receivers.
Speaker 9: So it's really just kind of a middle of the road.
Speaker 9: I think he thinks he's competing.
Speaker 3: In that case. The other thing I might propose would
Speaker 3: be and I don't know if you could get away
Speaker 3: with this, Like some people perceive a big value gap
Speaker 3: in dynasty between McBride and Pitts, and you know, our
Speaker 3: trade value chart kind of reflects that. I don't think
Speaker 3: the gap is going to be that big because the
Speaker 3: Cardinals artificially inflated number of pass attempts last year, like
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett in his starts averaged forty attempts a game.
Speaker 3: That's just we all.
Speaker 4: Know, we all know how much you hate McBride past.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you've you've heard this feel before, so I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'd see if you can maybe get away
Speaker 3: with giving up one of those first and Trey McBride
Speaker 3: for Pitts and genty and maybe if you have to
Speaker 3: like throw in one of your seconds next year too.
Speaker 3: Like i'd maybe start with the offer of McBride and
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty seven first for Pitts and genty and
Speaker 3: be willing to throw in a twenty twenty seven second
Speaker 3: if the other owner wants more.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be okay with that too.
Speaker 1: I think I would prefer if you if they were
Speaker 1: open to a cumulating draft capital just the two first.
Speaker 1: But if that's what it took to do that to
Speaker 1: downgrade from McBride to Pitts.
Speaker 2: I think that's totally reasonable.
Speaker 3: And for the record, I do not hate McBride. I
Speaker 3: think he's a good player. I just think he was
Speaker 3: artificially the numbers were a little pumped up last year.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Thanks guys, Awesome, Thank you so much for the question.
Speaker 3: Thanks man.
Speaker 1: All Right, we are right at an hour here, so
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